Good news everyone, it turns out that plants like CO2. How come scientists never discovered this until recently? Seems like it should be big news, but they never talk about it.
>How come scientists never discovered this until recently?CO2 generators have existed for a long time
>>16116672they secretly hate trees
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_generator
>>16116675this kind of mentally ill belief is only possible with total ignorance of math and physics
>>16116672That's making cold weather places more inviting to people who aren't built for cold weather. Just look at what's happening to Canada.
>>16116672Lol no.https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/ames/human-activity-in-china-and-india-dominates-the-greening-of-earth-nasa-study-shows/
>>16116672it makes sense when you realize that withering is the goal rather than flourishing, and frailty rather than vitality the virtue
>>16116898You must love disco.
>>16116994Read it, retard.
>>16117067I did, that's how I knew you interpreted it as a single variable (tree planting) and dismissed everything else even though the article itself states majority rather than entirely. You could argue rate if you wanted, as that would be a valid discussion given the article, but instead you created a fantasy in your head with one and only one variable. In the future you should give a bit more thought to both what you read and the context in which is exist before resorting to emotional responses.
>>16116672this is terrible. how do you suppose we establish the new world order NOW?!?https://www.bitchute.com/video/8AHkAJrpAxd4/
>>16117105You clearly didn't read the article.
>>16116675That's what will happen to the Earth once CO2 runs out and causes all the plants to die off, before unleashing the runaway greenhouse effect caused by plants not keeping said CO2 levels in check and the sun increasing in luminosity, boiling away the ice caps and releasing greenhouse gas deposits. Earth will actually become an even more hellish version of Venus in around a billion years due to this, as it has significantly more gas deposits.
>>16117257Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they didn't read/watch whatever it is that you based your world view upon. Read this and you must agree with me 100% or you didn't read it: https://www.nasa.gov/technology/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth-study-finds/
>>16116898Just because deliberate land use changes by humans have resulted in most of the increased green cover doesn't mean wild growth isn't benefiting too.Look at the sahel, north African coast, US Midwest, etc. The greener Earth may be most pronounced in India and China for mostly land use reasons, but higher CO2 has still been fantastic for wild growing plants all over the world, and the overall global gains eclipse the small, regional, localised areas of loss.
>>16117308And yet both CO2 and O2 levels continue to drop globally.
>>16117308India has become a verdant garden paradise in recent years.
>>16117311>And yet both CO2 and O2 levels continue to drop globally.What did he mean by this.
>>16117290It's the ocean that does the heavy lifting with CO2 recycling, stupid.
>>16116672>>16116672nature is healing
>>16117257The very headlines would mislead me to believe the two most pollutant causing countries on the planet are somehow leading the "greening of earth". If it can't even get a headline right why on earth would I bother reading the rest of it?>>16117311>>16117308>I am going to talk about an inert gas for some reasonCool story bro.
>>16117420>The very headlines would mislead me to believe the two most pollutant causing countries on the planet are somehow leading the "greening of earth".The greening is caused by China and India dumping lots of fertilizer and irrigation water on their crop fields, not by CO2 fertilization.
>>16117302That's based on an old study that didn't factor human land use into account.>>16117420>Everything I don't like is a made up lie
>>16116672Perfect for me to cut down more trees and sell the lumber to foreign nations
>>16116675Imagine being a brainlet being filtered by non-linear relations.I mean you probably consider this such a "big word", I might as well speak Chink right now.
>>16118024Why are you so disingenuous? You know that CO2 dissolves in water and you just happened to leave that out? Shame on you.
>>16119851>>16120306You are in for a rude awakening
>>16116677>co2 is a problem! we have to fix it!>ok build a bunch of nuclear reactors and use surplus generation to make methane to run combined-cycle plants during peaks, and pipe the flue into greenhouses>no not like that!
Surprise, assholes. It turns out that Earth indeed must be a giant greenhouse, without it we turn into a cold, desert rock like Mars.
>>16118024Shake the can well before you open your next drink.
>>16121184>>16121856Retard takes.
>>16122331Not an argument.CO2 is plant food.
>>16122331The only downside is the potential warming effect from additional CO2. It's been estimated that current increases in CO2 have a radiative forcing effect of about 2 watts per square meter, compared to the total solar irradiance of 1361 W/m2. If CO2 levels doubled to 800 ppm then it's estimated this would have a radiative forcing effect of 6 W/m2. To offset warming in this scenario would require mitigation strategies like stratospheric aerosol injection to reduce solar irradiance by about 0.4%. In the context of plant growth this reduction in sunlight would be negligible given that photosynthesis is only 1 to 2% efficient. If anything we should see significantly accelerated plant growth by about 10 to 50% due to the CO2 fertilization effect at 800ppm.
>>16122460>>16122485Retard takes
>>16116672>>16116675from the horse's mouth
>>16116672>Fossil fuel industry propagandaYawn.
>>16116672>How does converting hydrocarbons to biomass make the planet greenerReal headscratcher
>>16125219
I'm tired of seeing this stupid lie everywhere. CO2 will not increase plant growth outside of highly controlled conditions.The law of the minimum governs plant growth. It states that growth is limited by the most scarce factor. Adding CO2 to the atmosphere is like building a barrel with one stave taller then the rest and the "CO2 is plant food" crowd insists that it will make the barrel hold more water. It won't.https://www.cropnutrition.com/resource-library/the-law-of-the-minimum/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebig%27s_law_of_the_minimumhttps://soilsfacstaff.cals.wisc.edu/facstaff/barak/soilscience326/lawofmin.htm
>>16116672So where's the spaces where all this extra plant life is supposed to be flourishing? Because all I'm seeing is existing forests getting set on fire for agriculture at impossible rates. Or alternatively forests just catching on fire by themselves. Where are the places that we're supposed to be sinking gigatons of carbon dioxide into? Which desert has turned into a rain forrest of late?
>>16125649It's in Chinese cropland and tree farms and it's fertilizer, not CO2 that's greening the Earth. https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/ames/human-activity-in-china-and-india-dominates-the-greening-of-earth-nasa-study-shows/
>>16125623CO2 is extremely low compared to the times plants evolved. So while the law of the minimum might be true, the yield may still increase because CO2 is the lowest stave of the barrel. And some other plant that was co2 limited may cause animals to appear that shit out phosphor causing other plants to grow more. >>16125697You can fertilize the soil, but you can't fertilize the air. Therefore increasing CO2 levels is of the utmost importance.
>>16125788>CO2 is extremely low compared to the times plants evolved. What do you mean "the times plants evolved"? Evolution is ongoing. It's not like it happened in the past and then stopped one day.>CO2 is the lowest stave of the barrel.Source?
>>16117290venus just doesn't recycle it's matter into it's core like earth does but instead farts it all out
>>16125788I wonder how much you get paid to write this horseshit
>>16125788Entirely wrong. Stop spreading misinformation on the internet.
>>16125864Plants are retarded and will gobble up all CO2 until they starve. Also rocks.>Source that it's the lowestsauce that it isn't?>>16125918>what's the payAbout as much as a janny >>16125946Break free of the anti human death cult you have been lured into. What's next? Are you going to claim that blotting out the sun won't affect plant life because it is limited by some other parameter?
>>16126169You made the claim. You source it.
>>16126924Why are you incapable of sourcing your claims? It's almost like you made them up.
>>16117270What a shithole planet. And Musk wants to colonize this place?
>>16127235that's not Mars you moron
The Truth About Climate ChangeAuthors: Jonathan Tookerhttps://vixra.org/abs/1309.0069Climatology occupies the intersection of science policy and public understanding of science. In such a prominent position, the wide spectrum of climate opinions is remarkable. Society has achieved a paradigm in which global warming subscribers and non-subscribers are largely segregated by political affiliation. Since science is non-political, only a misunderstanding of the science can facilitate such a segregation. In the first section we analyze a recent study by Cook \emph{et al.} finding overwhelming scientific endorsement for the greenhouse theory of anthropogenic global warming (AGW). We find the popular reporting on Cook's result is not accurate. The aim of the following section is to clarify the science behind the most popular climate arguments and introduce the reader to some evidence that is not widely publicized. Even the astute non-climatologist should come away from this report with an enhanced understanding of relevant issues in modern climate science.
>>16128040Did you finally give up larping as a mathematician?
>>16125623As with soil biology a balance of conditions is most ideal. With soil biology once there are good conditions increasing the threshold provides better results. This goes for elevated CO2, storage of sugars in the leaf are increased in many plants, better nitrogen fixation, better use of water, better resistance to stress i.e. harsh conditions.
>>16129149Word salad.
>>16116672“Global warming is fake”“Ok, global warming isn’t fake, but it’s actually a good thing” <—— YOU ARE HERE“Ok, global warming isn’t a good thing, but it’s not that bad either”“Ok, global warming is bad, but it won’t affect me personally”“Fuck”
>>16116672I fully endorse burning more fossil fuel to return carbon locked in low energy, high entropy states back into the carbon cycle (which is not 100% efficient due to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics). There it will be available for utilization by living organisms, thereby prolonging the life of the earth's biosphere.
>>16129307t. low functioning autistic
What’s the point of this thread? To disprove global warming or something? You realize methane, NO2, and water vapor have a much greater effect on global warming than CO2.
>>16129551Global warming is a scam. Not because it's not happening, but because it's by in large a good thing. My nephew is in the 6th grade and is stressed to the eyeballs because he is convinced everyone will die due to global warming. It really angers me.
>>16129629i mean, he's not wrong that we're all going to die
>>16125623Exactly, though, it's not actually a hard rule, there can be limited benefit from the other nutrients. The CO2 can now barely compensate for the loss of heavy metals. Soon places start becoming lifeless again, because there is no eukaryotic life without lead.
>>16130026Autistic people are soothed by repetition so you've just proved me right.
>>16129641>implying modern agriculture doesn't rely heavily on machinery designed by engineers
>>16130332Na bro subsistence farming for literally (not figuratively) 8% of the yield that can be obtained with chemical intervention is heckin based
>>16116898Are China and India unprecedented verdant paradises now, or were they wastelands previously? The "greening" between countries is not that meaningful unless the countries started at the same level of "greenness".
>>16129629It is erroneous to call what is happening “global warming”. What is actually happening is climate destabilization which will cause massive drought and famine in some areas (mostly poor tropic areas) and unpredictable weather patterns. Your nephew is right to worry but not because le warming. What is more likely to happen is massive immigration from collapsing agricultural societies and as a result, riots over food and water. Restrictions on necessities will become common while mega corporations will continue to pump out single use products like cheap clothes and iPhones. Essentially the 1st world will become a toilet like the rest of the world
>>16130411>massive immigrationSo nothing out of the ordinary?>will become a toilet like the rest of the worldWill?These things would be way scarier if they hadn't already happened.
>>16130409Cope harder
>>16130409China and India are some of the least green countries on the planet.
>>16130508>He thinks trees are the only plant
>>16117497See>>16117308
>>16130544See>>16117497
>>16117308Mesopotamia is thriving
>>16130657>Net Zero WatchPure propaganda. Let me guess, it's the climategate emails again?
>>16131185>scientific publicationsLol. The funniest part is that you actually believe that. You will never be a scientist.
>>16130508Satellite images show the opposite.
>>16116672this shit makes me laugh so hard the oxygen content of my blood has significantly depleted
>>16130409the Ganges is truly the greenest river on the planet!
What's happening to all the bugs tho?Are we just overusing pesticides?Have they evolved to avoid humans/civilization better?
>>16132992>What's happening to all the bugs tho?They're still being annoying. Found a nest of wasps living in my basement last summer.
>>16132992>Are we just overusing pesticides?Definitely a big part of it, along with habitat destruction and light pollution>Have they evolved to avoid humans/civilization better?Only the pest species
>>16132523lolololwhy are end of the world messiah complex schizos so consistently retarded?
>>16136435Anon, that's footage from a sitcom.
>>16126169>anti human death cultI don't know how caring about the environment that you as a living being depend on is a "death cult". Humans are biological organisms that follow the same laws of Nature as everything else.>>16129179It's going to be shit and - on geologic time scales - might actually end humanity as a whole. Keep in mind, climate change is just one aspect of ecological overshoot.>>16129629>It really angers me.Most likely because you won't have to deal with this mess, but he will and he's somewhat aware of that.>>16130332It also relies heavily on fertilizers, pesticides and other chemicals. None of these are good for the environment in current quantities.
>>16137916Take your meds
>>16138649No one is upset about CO2 being good for plants, they're just frustrated about how stupid people jump from that to "man-made climate change is good and/or not real". Hope that helps.
>>16137916Who are you quoting?
>>16116672Though plants do grow fast with higher CO2 concentrations, humanity is increasing said concentration much faster than plants can sequester the CO2 from the air.Additionally, if plant that dies and rots, the CO2 is released back into the air, so the CO2 entrapment is temporary.Forget it, plants won't fix global warming in a convenient timeframe for us, it'll take a few thousand years.
>>16139579the more co2 there is in the atmosphere, the faster and more efficiently plants sequester co2its almost as if the life on this planet evolved with fluctuating atmospheric CO2 portions just like it did with fluctuating temperatures, daylight availability, etc.
Yeah that's the point they want you to live in a world without trees.
>>16129629Yeah global warming is good. It would be better if nobody could freeze to death.
>>16139749Yeah, there will be mass famine and heat exposure deaths, but at least no one will freeze lol
>>16139763>there will be mass famine because plants grow more productively and require less water in CO2 enhanced atmospheres
>>16139766Which youtuber told you that?
>>16116672Most of those certified as scientists are actually impostors. The real ones prefer to stay away from academia more often than not.Al Gore is not scientist. Neither is Neil deGrasse Tyson.
>>16139815>Neither is Neil deGrasse Tyson.NDT managed to get a PhD in astronomy from an Ivy league school without being able to pass undergrad calculus classes Explain that
>>16130508
>>16141278>>>/pol/
>>16130606Saddam built a lot of waterworks, dams, irrigation canals, etc. That was one of the things that the west hated about him, they wanted him to be dependent on grain imports
>>16116675Literally the stupidest "argument" of all re: global warming.
>>16116672same thing i said on other thread. plants are, in general, adapted to current CO2 levels. increase a bit and they do well. increase roo much and they crash.go put yourself in a 2x O2 environment and see how you feel. same shit happens to plants.
>>16143080Wrong, plants are healthiest at 1500-2000ppm. At 400ppm they're on the verge of death from starvation.
>>16144456Source?
>>16125623Damn, if only we can mine them out of the ground where roots don't reach.
>>16116672good news?now you gotta use more gasoline to get rid of the green stuffemit more CO2plant grow faster morewhere end of this maddness
we goin vegan bros!and ze bugs for connaisseurs
>>16145224Retard take.https://www.nature.com/articles/s41477-022-01247-2
CO2=Plant food
>>16145369>we invented another peak to own youThe runoff simply turns into more sea food and ultimately ocean sediment. Shit is more common than sulfur.
>>16116672>How come scientists never discovered this until recently?You are making a fundamental mistake conflating what you, personally, are aware of, with what "scientists discovered". Your ignorance is not their ignorance.
>>16129641
>>16145460Running off into the ocean is the problem. If it were economical to extract phosphorus from the ocean then we wouldn't be mining it. The best you can get right now is composting seafood waste, but that's not enough to support all of our agriculture.
>>16116675Venus doesn't even look remotely like that. More NASA image editing.
>>16146205>economicalSediment. If we are scraping the ocean bed for sea food then we can scrape the floor for mud too
>>16146114You're ignorant of the sorted history of agricultural "science"
>>16147577>the sorted historyThe word you're looking for there is "sordid."
>>16130332Do the next edit, go ahead
>>16116742>this kind of mentally ill belief is only possible with total ignorance of math and physicsJust like climate change denial
>>16146338Alright, bud. Go make your pitch to some venture capitalists. Have them sign an NDA and tell them you solved peak phosphorus and you can give them an edge over the competition who thinks mining phosphorus is cheaper. See how much money they give you. If all it takes to supply the world with their phosphorus is to scrape up some ocean sediment and you're the only person to ever have thought of that then you're going to be a rich man. We all love and support you, anon.
>>16130332>designed by engineersIt was all designed originally by farmers and other people involved in agriculture. John Deere was a blacksmith who made plows and pitchforks for farmers, he had no engineering background and training. Most of John Deere's early products came from farmers who went to him and said "can you build me something like this…"
>>16147799>John Deere was a blacksmith who made plows and pitchforks for farmers, he had no engineering background and training. Most of John Deere's early products came from farmers who went to him and said "can you build me something like this…"John Deere died over 100 years ago. No blacksmith is designing modern farming equipment.
>>16116672>Good news everyone, it turns out that plants like CO2. >How come scientists never discovered this until recently? >Seems like it should be big news, but they never talk about it.I remember hearing this years ago. It may have even been a decade ago.
>>16147747That idea only need a boat with syphon. Venture cap is for pissing on the moon.
>>16147983Then surely you can get a loan for such an enterprise and corner the phosphorus market single handedly. You could even patent the process to ensure that other people can't just buy a bigger fleet of boats. You are important to us, anon. You are the smartest person in the world and that's why you've solved an issue that nobody else has. All that's left for you to do is get to work.
>>16148499Thanks for the insight. But again I am not interested in getting investment prior to getting a boat or looking ar river sediments first.I don't know why you are hell bent on capitalization and investment, before prototyping. Aren't you a pretencious scamming jew? How does a monopoly on solution help in a supposed global crisis? Do you really in this to solve the problem?
>>16116677Because most of them are complete idiots who can only repeat like parrots whatever nonsense they were trained to say by their jew masters.
>>16117270That's just my hometown
I don't think Global warming will shift the planets orbit to Venus ...
Why does the fact that CO2 is good for plants and good for the environment make people who claim that they want an improved natural environment seethe so much? Why aren't the people who claim to be concerned about the environment ecstatic that CO2 is improving it so much?
>>16149568Because the people who claim that it's good for the environment frequently want to destroy the environment
>>16148573The point is to make you actually think about your retarded idea. People much smarter than you have come up with the same idea, analyzed it, and then discarded it because it was useless.
>>16149947>>16149568>>16148574Take your meds
>>16149968Appeal to some hypothetical authority when you can't even name him. Why would it be already been done when mechanization is recent and such self "aware" climate panic is even more recent and still panicking. It is not knowledge if it doesn't set you free, including worry free. How about some actual and related counter arguments?Chalk and limestone has been stablizing phosphate by precipitation and been used as soil amendments anyways. Once stablized it can be taken out of of the stream and bottom and put into the ground alone with bacteria that solubilize it so roots can take it up.Why do you keep associating ponzi scheme of "winner takes all" market monopoly investment with work and insisting on doing things out of order?
>>16143080Look up C3 and C4 photosynthesis.C3, the most common photosynthesis is literally poisoned by atmospheric oxygen. It loses half its efficiency in Earth's current atmosphere.
>>16150426How about you actually analyze your moronic plan? Just look into the logistics and you'll realize that you're a moron. Use real data and actually do the math.
>>16117420CO2 isn't a pollutant any more than O2 is
>>16150718Not like you can do any. Keep your doom and gloom, might just kill yourself at this point.
>>16151304I'm not asking you to post it so we can have a debate. I'm telling you to properly analyze your mental abortion so you can stop thinking it's a good idea. As far as I can tell you are a waste of space, and that is always a personal choice.
DOKTOR TURN OFF MY CO2 INHIBITORS
>>16151805>i win you lose you do all the work to prove yourself wrongPeak brain development. Im not sure if doctors can help your condition if they have to seeking you out first.
>>16116672>cropped out source
>>16139668But plants DONT sequester CO2 except in specific conditions like swamps.The co2 mainly joins the merry-go-round of the carbon cycle which is constantly emitting and absorbing co2 via the growth and death of life on earth.The only way we know to sequester CO2 is to either expose massive amounts of rock to air and let it chemically weather into various carbonates. This takes millions of years.Or to bury large amounts of organic matter and let it form coal and oil. This also takes millions of years.Right now there are no tectonic plate movements that are building mountains so there is no chemical weathering taking place.In the other case we are not sequestering carbon either. Rather we are adding to the problem by taking already sequestered carbon out of the ground and burning it.
>>16151832I don't know how you can possibly reach adulthood without learning that you have to think things all the way through. Are you disabled and dependent on your parents or something?
>>16151856You can also produce biochar and amend soil with it to sequester carbon, but the scale of our emissions would dwarf any attempt to offset those emissions with biochar. We need to reduce our emissions and start sequestering carbon. If you have plants, a compost pile, or livestock then you can amend the soil with charged biochar, mix uncharged biochar into compost at 5-20% by volume to charge it yourself, or add uncharged biochar to your feed at 2% by weight. Adding it to feed or compost also reduces their ghg emissions and improves the health of the animals and the quality of the compost/manure.
>>16151877Nope, fully operational and independent. Keep projecting your inability onto others. I've demonstrated enough thinking here, non contributer in online conversation.
>>16151885Then you must have had everything given to you. Everyone else has to consider whether or not their ideas are valuable. The only people I've ever met that can't are nepo babies and literal retards who are cared for by their parents all their life. If you aren't either then you should be ashamed at your stunted mental development and work to catch up with the rest of us.
>>16151856Active biomass is sequestered and "dead" biomass is eaten by living biomass into more biomass.
>>16151935You should really learn about the carbon cycle instead of pretending to know about it.
>>16151895Enough of this cookie cutter lecture that automatically assumes you are the teacher and I am the student despite having nothing to back up your supposed authority, and then lecture me on how I am on my own for this study, and none of your business to demonstrate me anything, and when I do have a plan, you throw it down citing it is not as fast and caucious as you had in mind at the same time. Do you work in academia by any chance?
>>16152009Your idea is a bad idea. Everyone who has examined that idea understands this except for you. You are not the "student" you are a moron who doesn't understand how to objectively examine an idea, and you continue to refuse to even make the attempt. Confirmed nepo baby. Learn how to become a functioning adult.
>>16152365This is just pathetic.
>>16152422That's projection.
>>16152475Who is this everyone pulling out of your ass once again? Its you and me pal. and if you have nothing to say you can gtfo.
>>16152484Alright, I'll hold your hand. For a resource to be economical to extract you need to exploit a source that is richer than the average content of the Earth's crust which for phosphorus is about 0.1% by weight. The highest phosphorus content I'm seeing for ocean sediments is 525.1 µg/g, or 0.00000525%. We didn't even need to get to the logistics. You would be better off digging up random patches of dirt to collect your phosphorus.
>>16152517Now we are cooking and see how hard is it? Guess I was wrong about the sea, yet we can still go up stream.So not only "polluted" ocean has P lower than rock and dirt ambient, thus not a pollution, but the wide usage of high purity phosphorus on field is also a scam because the need could always be meet by adding highly weathered parent material that give off slowly and wash off less easily, and river sediments where agriculture run off is has it in ~5000 mg/kg(0.05%), I wonder what would the number be in actual drainage ditch without mountain snow water diluting it.(holy cracker some chink did it with clay)
>>16152598>Now we are cooking and see how hard is it?Ask yourself, moron. You failed to analyze your idiotic idea and demanded that someone else do your thinking for you. Confirmed nepo baby. Learn how to become a functioning adult.
>>16152662We are back.
>>16153049Learn how to become a functioning adult.
>>16153148I am. You are the one having argument and want to refute yet relectant to put work and side tracking at all time. Perhaps you shouldn't be participating in nameless conversation but in a oldfart house, professer guru masta rabbi. Don't you have your own children to scold to?
>>16153181You are the least self aware person I have ever encountered. I told you your idea was moronic and you needed to think it through. You never did. Every functioning adult thinks through their ideas. You are not a functioning adult.
>>16153265Come on joe, who are you kidding. If you are less of a moron and child than I do, you won't argue for this long and just point straight to the issue and cut the crap. Your pretenciousness gets you and makes you seeth to the teeth.Now if you will excuse me I have better bot to proompt.
>>16153272>If you are less of a moron and child than I do,
>>16151939>plants don't sequester CO2 but also >petroleum is made out of plants that died a billion years agoor are you trying to tell us that oil is abiotic and is a virtually inexhaustible resource because it just oozes out of the earth crust without needing to be instigated by an organic origin
>>16154138Why don't you try learning about the carbon cycle? You might find some answers to your questions.
