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Cherry blossoms bloom in Tokyo, 15 days later than last year, 5 days later than average

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/03/29/japan/society/cherry-blossoms-bloom-tokyo/

Cherry blossoms finally burst into bloom in Tokyo on Friday after heavy rain in the morning, marking the latest blooming in over a decade.
The declaration of the blooming made by the Meteorological Agency came 15 days later than last year and five days later than in an average year. Private forecasters had also expected this year's bloom to come much earlier.

Friday’s blooming is the latest in Tokyo since 2012, when cherry blossoms were declared to have blossomed on March 31, according to the agency.

Cherry blossom forecasting is big business in Japan. As early as in January, companies start to issue forecasts for when cherry blossoms will first bloom and reach their peak.

The weather agency, which began forecasting the annual bloom in 1955, sets a government standard for observing cherry blossom trees. For consistency, the meteorological agency only uses data gathered from the Somei-Yoshino variety, which produces pale pink blossoms.
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There are 58 example trees across the nation preselected by the agency, with these used by private weather forecast companies. In Tokyo, for instance, the tree is located at Yasukuni Shrine in Chiyoda Ward.

According to the rules set by the agency in declaring the annual bloom, a tree is considered to be blossoming once five or six flowers have opened on the branches of the tree. Once 80% of the tree has flowered, it’s deemed to be in full bloom.

This year marks the first time since 2020 that cherry blossom-viewing, or hanami, a major seasonal event in Japan, can be held in the absence of COVID-19 guidance, as the government downgraded its classification of the coronavirus in May last year.
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>>16105956
what about jews genociding palestinians, though? it's time to stop criticizing misguided energy policy.
https://odysee.com/@Realfake_Newsource:9/RFNS-8.21-003-011:2
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>>16105956
This actually proves climate change.
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Vernalization: That one thing Lysenko was in fact right about.
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>>16105977
He plagiarized that idea from western botanists
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Why is it so cold in Japan if global warming is real?
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>>16105956
>5 days later than average
>last year was 10 days earlier than average
I guess you have been debunked because we are now closer to the average.
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>>16106724
global warming isn't real
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>>16105956
>According to the rules set by the agency in declaring the annual bloom
They don't need a government agency to announce when trees are in bloom, it is readily apparent without the government saying anything.
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>>16108535
>do you have a loicense to look at that tree?
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>>16105966
>change
cleverest thing they ever did was switch to this word which can mean literally anything
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Japs have a major affinity for cherry trees, but they're not a major producer of cherries. Does this seem odd to anyone else?
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>>16110228
no, they like ornamental cherry trees
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>>16105956
The peak bloom of the cherry trees in Washington DC was the second earliest on record. They actually hedge their bets and plan a three and half week cherry blossom festival there, but the peak bloom was a week before it started.
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>>16105956
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>>16109498
That tricky Bush Administration
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>>16105956
>He doesn't understand the difference between weather and climate
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Guy on /sci/ tries to use single data point to disprove decades of climate research again, gets horribly proven wrong again. News at 11
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>>16110638
>weather is when its colder than average
>global warming is when its warmer than average
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>>16111209
>He doesn't understand the difference between weather and climate
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>>16110635
>muh political propaganda website says its true
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>>16112588
Okay, waiting patiently until you present better data
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>>16110635
>cherry blossoms were later during the little ice age
so?
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>>16113324
Thats one of the most common tricks of the global warming grifters
>I started my data set with the little ice age, that makes it look like its warmer today than it was in 1700 because of global warming
meanwhile somehow or other the previous ice age managed to come to an end with no change at all in atmospheric CO2 levels, but they can never explain how or why that happened
>Its warmer now than it was in February, that proves global warming is real
would be an equality valid argument
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>>16110635
noooo you can't just refute my single datapoint!
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>>16105956
>yet another "retard thinks he's figured it all out and is smarter than millions of scientists" thread
Is that all this board is now?
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>>16114781
>meanwhile somehow or other the previous ice age managed to come to an end with no change at all in atmospheric CO2 levels, but they can never explain how or why that happened
You fucking retard. If you don't even know what these are then you have no business talking about the climate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles
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>>16106724
Climate change not global warming
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>>16114894
so you're saying that the earth's position and orbit relative to the sun is what dominates the climate and CO2 has no influence whatsoever
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>>16105956
Thats not the only evidence its fake
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>>16116508
>>16117767
Wrong.
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>>16116508
>>16117767
Not what I'm saying at all. The climate is influenced by multiple different factors. That the Earth's orbital characteristics are one of the larger contributors doesn't mean that CO2 has "no influence whatsoever."
>>16120531
There is mountains of proof. Literally decades worth of research that you can find easily. But you won't accept any sources that don't agree with you anyway.
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>>16120531
>do you have evidence at all that co2 causes the memehouse effect?
Explain how the earth maintains a stable temperature if CO2 is not a greenhouse gas using physics and chem8, kgo
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>>16120558
Water vapor
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>>16106724
>what is global average
right now it's slightly colder in Japan and it's significantly warmer in Europe
fuck, it's almost 30°C today
next year it might be the other way around, but overall the temperature will go up
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>>16120763
Try again.
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>>16120961
Water vapor
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>>16105956
ghosts did it.
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>>16121168
>what is partial pressure
The current partial pressure of CO2 on Earth is 31.7 mmHg. The partial pressure of CO2 on Mars is 4.4 mmHg. Earth has WAY more CO2 than Mars does.
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>>16121160
Try again.
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>>16121549
Water vapor
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>>16114889
The vaccines were supposed to kill everyone in 2 weeks according to the doctors on /sci/. I'm sure the climatologists, glaciologists, and atmospheric chemists here also totally refuted global warming.
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>>16121510
>Earth has WAY more CO2 than Mars does.
this is the extent of lying that global warming hoaxers are willing to go to in order to shill their political narrative
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>>16105956
That’s not how it works. It’s only when it confirms the science (tm) that it’s true. Right now it’s just a coincidence. Last year it was science. Get it straight.
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>>16121776
Try again.
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>>16123046
>>16123052
>>16123826
>Imagine being this retarded
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>>16124417
Water vapor
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>>16123046
>I don't understand partial pressure and I refuse to
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>>16124787
>If I am pompous repeatedly, the fools will believe me.
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>>16105956
Random fluctuations don't disprove anything. We're talking about the long term average.
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>>16125215
>This proves that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas.
No, it doesn't.
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>>16110635
If the downward trend started in 1800, doesn't that disprove the claim that "climate change" is man made?
>MUH INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION
Was not producing the amount of carbon needed for such warming.
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>>16125265
That actually makes sense, idk why that didn't occur to me.
I would have to ask a climate doomer sometime, but if I had to make a steelman I'd say that the warming started with exiting the little ice age, and was followed by man-made change.
A little too convenient though
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>>16124786
Try again
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>>16125215
>>16125235
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_pressure
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>>16125589
Water vapor
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>>16125741
Try again.
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>>16125769
Water vapor
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>>16125215
I have a cotton blanket and I'm warm. My friend has a cotton sheet and he's cold.
Therefore cotton doesn't keep you warm.
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>>16126057
Why from 1995 to 2015?
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>>16126057
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>>16126034
>Explain how the earth maintains a stable temperature if CO2 is not a greenhouse gas using physics and chem8, kgo

Try again.
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>>16126799
>propogadna
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>>16126466
There is more water vapor than co2 in the atmosphere
water has more heat of evaporation, water and vapor has more specific heat than co2
Water is on the surface, and its vapor absorbs more solar radiation than CO2
Earth is covered and soaked in water not CO2. Carbonate binds to minearal harder than hydrate thus buffers far less.
Weather is majorly a result of air movement and humidity. No one predict how hot tomorrow is gonna be from CO2 concentration.
Temperature near bodies of water are always buffered more than those that has none.
Plant taps a kilogram of water out of the dirt earth to grow a few grams of mass, assuming the C all comes from co2 in the air. Coindicentally most plant grow near bodies of water and/or receive ample precipitation, also nice place to live.
Cloud single handedly block more solar or ground radiation than atmosphere, and the surface of the earth absorbs half of the solar heat, those with water buffers out, or reflects the heat back out with extreme surface temp if water and plant cover is not, saving ground water.
Yeah, i think you owe me an answer why I have to give a shit about your garbage statistics A mere correlates to garbage statistics B, in a comically large scale to call you bullshitting, assuming your crude approximate of an average of averages given arbitrary weights and sample intervals and other fudge factor is a perfect survey that makes the globe yield to the authority of people who never truly graduated from their advanced day care to make a living on their own. May be you should try getting a job.
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>>16129310
The concentration of atmospheric water vapor is local and driven by the local temperature because it has short atmospheric residence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_potential
Water vapour

Water vapour does contribute to anthropogenic global warming, but as the GWP is defined, it is negligible for H2O: an estimate gives a 100-year GWP between -0.001 and 0.0005.[24]

H2O can function as a greenhouse gas because it has a profound infrared absorption spectrum with more and broader absorption bands than CO2. Its concentration in the atmosphere is limited by air temperature, so that radiative forcing by water vapour increases with global warming (positive feedback). But the GWP definition excludes indirect effects. GWP definition is also based on emissions, and anthropogenic emissions of water vapour (cooling towers, irrigation) are removed via precipitation within weeks, so its GWP is negligible.
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>>16129982
Making shit up and refusing to provide evidence for your claims is admitting that you have no idea what you're talking about. Me linking you to wikipedia is an indication that your arguments from ignorance are not worth my time to address. If you aren't willing to put the effort in to know what you're talking about then why should I put the effort in to hold your hand?
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>>16130884
Making shit up and refusing to provide evidence for your claims is admitting that you have no idea what you're talking about. Me linking you to wikipedia is an indication that your arguments from ignorance are not worth my time to address. If you aren't willing to put the effort in to know what you're talking about then why should I put the effort in to hold your hand?
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>>16113324
The little ice age was a local event, not global!
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>>16129558
>anthropogenic emissions of water vapour (cooling towers, irrigation) are removed via precipitation within weeks, so its GWP is negligible
What sort of fallacy is this? Just because the anthropogenic changes to the hydrological cycle are rapidly turned over doesn't make them less fundamental in their impact than something more abstracted. Our impacts may have a high frequency but they are foundational and deep. For heaven's sake, we create lakes, empty acquifers and join oceans together so we can sail through them. We divert rivers, we cut down forests, we grow forests in other places, we water crops.
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>>16105956
>local weather proves climate change not real
Many such threads.
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>>16132185
Where did I say I hate humans? I'm merely stating that if humans are affecting the lived world, then our carbon is the absolute least of the ways we do so, so if you want to improve the world, your efforts can be much better spent elsewhere.
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>>16132180
>an estimate gives a 100-year GWP between -0.001 and 0.0005.[24]
Learn what that means. Water vapor cannot continue to contribute to global warming over 100 years because it precipitates out in a few weeks. If there was a single week GWP then water's figure would seem significant, but it's not, because the concentration of water vapor is driven by local temperatures. It can form a positive feedback loops with other greenhouse gasses, but water vapor cannot drive global warming. It even says so in that except

>Its concentration in the atmosphere is limited by air temperature, so that radiative forcing by water vapour increases with global warming (positive feedback).
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>>16132458
>except
Excerpt*
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>>16132458
Did the doctors grip your head too tightly with the forceps during the abortion giving you brain damage?
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>>16132145
This is extreme misinformation and is proof that you're low IQ in that you either never studied what's happening because you're too stupid to try or did try and couldn't understand it.

Although humans contribute only a fraction of total CO2 in the atmosphere each year it comes from coal and oil which have been buried for millions of years, unlike naturally occurring CO2 which is recycled in the normal carbon cycle. If you add CO2 to a system in balance with no way to remove it, CO2 must rise over time, therefore humans are responsible for its increase in the atmosphere.

I'm sorry if you still don't understand that. Try and find someone more intelligent than you to dumb it down even further.
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>>16132485
>if I add one drop of acid to the water the whole ocean will become acidified!!!!! Oh! Oh hold me I am going to cry!
Better you stay shut in with your echo group of hysterical bitches.
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>>16132485
>All Fossil carbons were buried away.
From the surface. There were on the surface.
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>>16132458
Just because the hydrological cycle has a quick turnover, doesn't mean humans aren't affecting it permanently. As long as we're affecting water, we're influencing climate and weather in a much stronger way than our CO2 emissions.
Any given molecule of water vapour we emit won't stay in the atmosphere for very long, but we emit a lot of molecules and we do it constantly, so we're constantly affecting the environment via our water emissions.
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>>16132485
>If you add CO2 to a system in balance with no way to remove it, CO2 must rise over time
If you sequester CO2 away from a system as fossil fuels or carbonate minerals with no way to return it, CO2 must fall over time, until it begins to approach concentrations so low that life on Earth dies from lack of it.
Humans are the salvation of life on Earth because we figured out how to extract and return life-giving CO2 back to the atmosphere.
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>>16132739
You're wrong. I have lead you to water and you have refused to drink. You are on your own.
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>>16132508
>>16132657
>>16132740
Cope harder.
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>>16132931
>cope
>The admission of defeat by inferior minds.
We accept your concession in the face of our facts and our superior reasoning.
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>>16132928
>You're wrong
Asserting so doesn't make it so.
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>>16132978
You failed to understand the explanation. What do you want me to do about it? Build a time machine and go back to before you got brain damage? You've got everything you need to learn on your own. Why should I waste my time trying to make you learn?
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>>16132941
Gigacope
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>>16133006
Yet here you are, wasting your time while we chuckle at you. lol.
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>>16133499
>I was being retarded on purpose
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>>16133543
Cope all you like. I just like wasting your time and having a giggle at "so serious" dumbasses like you.
This is me
>>16132472
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>>16133555
See
>>16133543
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>>16133560
+15 points for me!
lol, racking them up!
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>>16133007
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>>16105956
Check out europe dumdum
Beggining of april blossem everywhere
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>>16133914
Seethe
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>>16133908
See
>>16133543
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>>16105956
well, about 10 years or so of precocious flower blooming in the winter where I live and in many other places on earth proves it does. there are literally billions of witnesses to this phenomenon. are you living under a rock? You need to go out to nature more often
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>>16134781
that never happened
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>>16135201
>"where I live"
>never mentions where so that their lie can never be disproved
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>>16135201
>>16136404
It's happening globally. Here's the data for when Kyoto's Sakura trees have been blossoming.
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>>16137952
That is a graph of the climate of Europe.
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>>16137955
>source: michael mann
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>>16138986
What's your source? Twitter and funnyjunk?
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>>16118438
that's not catastrophic sea level rise, yet.
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>>16139660
>two weeks
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>>16139660
sea level is receding
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if anthropogenic climate change is the primary threat to life of earth then a total countervalue exchange of thermonuclear weapons is the most logical remedy
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>>16105966
We will be under 9000+ miles of water, six trillion jews will die, and is all your fault.
Kill yourself right now.
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>>16134781
Meh, like I care. Just evolve gills or something.
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>>16141458
>six trillion jews will die
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>>16105966
It's called variability and it's natural. Every year is different.
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Cherry blossoms are 15 days late:
Climate change.
Cb:s are 15 days early: Global warming.
Cb:s are on time: Human Actions Give Cherry Blossoms Climate Anxiety And They Have To Bloom On Time Without Natural Variability
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>>16143448
See
>>16136602

You seem to think science is about interpreting single data points.
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>>16136602
>it got warmer after the little ice age ended
shocking
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>>16144557
That was a local event and it is not reflected in the Sakura blossom data.

See >>16137955
The little ice age lasts from about 1400 to about 1700. Sakuras blossom slightly earlier until about 1550, but the trends do not match >>16136602
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>>16144620
>Sakuras blossom slightly later from 1400 until about 1550*
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>>16144620
>That was a local event
No it wasn't, it occurred in Japan same as in the rest of the world
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>>16145806
No it didn't and that PDF doesn't prove that it did. If it had then why isn't it reflected in the Sakura blossom data?
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>>16146214
It is
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>>16145806
Good paper
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>>16147562
Try again.
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>>16105956
Its been very cold this spring where I live too, we even had snow last week
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>>16149169
>snow in April
do you live in greenland?
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>>16150684
No, this was in Central Europe
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>>16141353
yep
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>>16153590
>>16141353
that good news tho



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