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Ah, mighty boatface.
In honour of paint elitist reeeeee-ing.Have a lance of victors.
>>92568558Recreational boating accidents never were the same again.
What is better than 1 hunchback? Four hunchbacks!
What wins? 400 madcats versus 400 direwolfs? Pre Invasion or Invasion era only.
>>92568630Dires win when the numbers are that big, imo. Just because their volume of fire would negate any mobility advantage. Also, your question is stupid.
>>92568630the madcats would win if they attacked the sun at nihgt
>>92568639What if the madcats have jump jets and the daishi dont
>>92568588Why do I feel like these guys are going to break into a Jet Stream Attack at any second?
>>92568580>>92568588>posts the exact same photos of the exact same mechs every thread>acts like it's some grand crusade against some overarching villain>cries, screams, and accuses others of being his straw man nemesis when presented with any advice or criticismI have to ask, what are you hoping to achieve, is it just attention seeking?
>>92568786Yeah it's just attention seeking
>>92568734nah, NOTRE DAME, spo of course they have to bust out a blitz then buttonhook right.>you are now imagining a lance of hunchbacks that are piloted by mechwarriors who all use football plays
>>92568669Die even quicker as they overheat. This is a Hulk vs the Hulk's weight in bees question.
>>92568786>>92568797no. its stubbornness. I do NOT care that YOU paint elitists hate them, I think they look cool, and I like them. which is the entire fucking point of someone painting their own fucking miniatures. so every time one of you paintshits get your nose out of joint and REEEE's about someone daring to have FUN or LIKING things, it behoves anyone who actually gives a fuck about BT to shit all over you and annoy you further.especially when you degenerate hypocrites will thirst all over faggotry for homobutt soft core posted ITT, but hate ACTUAL on topic content.you sound like the faggots who mass reported NEA and lamfag to death until they stopped posting for a long while, in YOUR campaign o destroy any actual content posting.
>>92568862>I do NOT care that YOU paint elitists hate themYou sound like you care.
>>92568862>i dont care>post entire paragraphs about ityou carealso tldr
>>92568878>>92568869be more triggered, have some even older minis.
>>92568862The people posting softcover porn weren't the ones mass reporting NEA. We used to have threads where discussing porn stars representing factions was normal. That's gone because it was mass reported by the same people that mass reported NEA and it sure as shit wasn't the paint elitists.
>>92568862I just find it annoying that you're posting them every single thread.
>Gunslinger ThreadLove this BEAST of a mech, runs in a /mydudes/ C3 lance and puts in work.
>>92568967My fav C3 lance is picrel
>>92567468>Despite competing with MLsCompetes with ML for tonnage and heat cost, with infernos for starting fires and dealing heat, and with MGs, smalls/micros for range and anti infantry. Dealing 5 heat seems alright, it's almost 3 infernos. Only clan flamers are somewhat palatable because at least they're half a ton. Maybe dealing a critical as if it was a inferno on vees too,
>>92568967Everyone has one random mech that they threw into a Megamek on a whim and found themselves going "Hold on, this is actually really fucking comfy?"Mine's the Rakshasa B, with the Blackjack Omni a close second. Third place goes to the version of the Champion that had double sinks added.
>>92568988Those look fun, well painted too, very honorable>>92568998Yeah, i was looking into goosewall lances for anti-clanner work, and it just so happened to check most of the boxes i was looking for.
>>92568989IS flamers were better in the era of infernos only fitting in SRM/2s. They're still better than an MG for anti-infantry work in the Succession Wars (same minimum tonnage, same rare use case, no explosive ammo), and they do indeed have auxiliary utility for starting fires, which is something especially useful for recon mechs, at least in theory.
>>92569129>starting fires, which is something especially useful for recon mechs"I figured a smokescreen would help me get away undetected" "You set the whole forest on fire!""Yeah, but they didnt see me."
>>92569129idk man, for starting fires, an srm2 inferno is better. sure, ammo risk, but you got range, easier to set fires, crits vs vees, and, funnily enough, you deal the same heat as the flamer at minimum
>>92568938Sir, it wasn't only porn actresses.
>>92569152A smokescreen is for helping you get away alive, not undetected.
>>92568862>do NOT care>3 paragraphs of rantingI think you do.>especially when you degenerate hypocrites will thirst all over faggotry for homobutt soft core posted ITT, but hate ACTUAL on topic content1, Bottom has a few simps whom thirst for him, the majority here including myself report him when he starts /soc/ posting2, as >>92568938 says we used to have threads where we discussed what faction and mech various pornstars would be in/pilot. The famous "my Mechwarriors can't be this cute" image comes from that time. Also, cheesecake and mechs go together like cheese and wine.3, the people whom mass reported NEA were the "anti coomer" fags who also reported the cheesecake posts4, you are painfully new, please lurk more> like them. which is the entire fucking point of someone painting their own fucking miniaturesCool. But be aware that you are posting in a public forum and people will criticise you for a perceived lack of effort>>92568896I'm not mad. Just sad.Anyway, you sound really angry and in need of zen. Here's a pic of my new bonsai project, a Heather. It's just been potted up, excuse the mess. Reflect on it and maybe your blood pressure will drop.
>>92568998Atlas 8D, but instead of 'feeling comfy', I got a raging hardon.Need to find me something that'll work as a RAC5. The underslung SRM rack was meant to be an ammo pod thingy, but I think I'll remove that once I find a suitable gun bitty.
>>92566829It is a very rare and unique situation where I agree with the "cultural appropriation" bandwagon, but afro samurai is one of those times. It was and is a terrible idea, Combine is Japanese, Lyrans are German, Davion is American/British, Capellans are Chinese, etc... and the lore is better when the writing sticks to that.Clanners are furry incestuous degenerates, if you want DEI, clans are the place for it.
>>92569206>Also, cheesecake and mechs go together like cheese and wine.Also remember that risqué pin-up art is a time honored tradition amongst fighters of all sorts dating to pre-spaceflight terra
>>92568588I don't give a shit about your painting, you painted them, that's enough.But fuck off with your endless reposts.Paint more mechs or play some games, we're tired of your shit.
>>92566950>1) nerfed all to fuckhow so?
>>92569227Wrong. The houses are hundreds and hundreds of years in the future. Earth nations are fucking ancient history. You may as well be bitching at someone for being mesapotamian or ptolemaic. It has no fucking meaning.Plus, as other anons remarked a few months back, the house lords are all mutt mystery meats of a bunch of ethnicities, whilst the people of the houses are all of different stable populationsnof whatever kinds settled there.So black samurai dude is just from a planet innthe combine that had lots of blacks.They identify by hoise, lord, planet, not ancient terran nations they most probably dont even know the names of.
>>92569262Cumulative 5% bv tax per unit in the network coupled with ECM destroying the network, and its hard not to have any ECM in a FCCW and onwards list. And you cannot reestablish a network if its broken.
>>92569269>Earth nations are fucking ancient history. You may as well be bitching at someone for being mesapotamian or ptolemaicYou couldn't be more wrong, we don't have entire nations larping as those two things because it makes no fucking sense for a nation that is ethnically and culturally removed from them o do so.Space japan has Japanese culture because they are Japanese people.>planet that had lots of blacksSo you're saying thatncultures and ethnicities have been diluted by time... yet simultaneously segregation is so alive and well that worlds are defined by their complete lack of ethnic dilution through breeding in that same time frame?Pick one.
>>92569245>Also remember that risqué pin-up art is a time honored tradition amongst fighters of all sorts dating to pre-spaceflight terraIt doesn't seem to have been all that common outside of the US and outside of WW2. So it's reasonable to state that, with the death of the USA as a cultural entity, the practice of drawing pinups on war machines was buried as well.Livery, on the other hand, should be just about everywhere, considering that everybody and their mum's ennobled as soon as they get their hands on a giant robot.
>>92569269>ancient terran nations they most probably dont even know the names of.Northwind Highlanders, idiot.Only the Clans don't seem to know or care about any of that, but just 1000 years? That's not the gap you think it is, most nations and peoples today identify with their ancestry of a thousand years ago, that's when nations like France and England were formed, Middle East has identities going back 2000 years, India, China, Japan, etc... even further than that.
>>92569293>Space japan has Japanese culture because they are Japanese people.The Kurita Clan are Happas, my friend. They wouldn't even pass the smelling test, what with the sour milk aroma they probably carry with them wherever they go.
>>92569227If you don't understand why a buncha white Americans specifically wrote a black samurai giant robot pilot, then you probably aren't American and shouldn't judge.
>>92569316>half asian, half white>1000 years in the futureThat would require everyone right up until the 4th succession war remaining purely one or the other.
>>92569227>Combine is Japanese, Lyrans are German, Davion is American/British, Capellans are ChineseCouldn't even get this right newfag.
>>92569329Everyone gets to judge americans.
>>92569293No. Space japan hasn't got japan culture. They have larping moron japanese culture.They're weebs + hundreds of years of chinese whispers of passed down changing information as data corrupts and information fails to be communicated accurately.Which is why, somewhere in the combine someone right now, is insisting that their children eat their hamburgers, pointing at a sign of 'aces arrorney' burger chain billboard. Most honourable japanese food ever.
>>92569304The RAF had to enact a total ban with severe punishment in, iirc, 2006 to get pilots to stop painting pinups onto their aircraft.JSDF pilots paint manga cuties onto their vehiclesMost western countries have had to enforce bans, and they still have crew art and pinups popping up.
>>92569292I don't remember reading you can't re-establish the network anywhere
>>92569359I think he meant if the C3 master gets disabled. If that gets killed, any c3 slaves can just link to a different one mid-battle, unless you got one of the special c3 variants
The kurita aren't larping japanese.Theyre not even people so midwit they read book of ten rings etc and musashi and thought japan elwas actually like that, missing all the context that all that crap was written when swords were barely ornamentation, when the actual samurai had become total gunfags and were deep into pike and shot, written by, for example, one famous text, a fucking clerk who never saw battle ever..., texts by people who wanted to bring the sword back.Its not even larper fags who think historical works that are wrong.The kurita are such terrible 'chinese whispers' larpers, they're the equivalent of people who think the local renfair is HOW IT WAS BACK IN GLORY DAYS.
>>925691571 flamer -> 1 ton.1 SRM/2 -> 2 tons, 3 if you want it to be able to do anything besides shit napalm (which you probably don't, under the circumstances, but worth pointing out, anyway).Especially in the Succession Wars, 1 or 2 tons can come at a real premium. But yes, if there's room, I generally prefer SRMs.
>>92569359C3i can, regular c3 cannot. Can't remember the page references, but I do remember how a single Savannah Master ECM can kill a C3 lance, or 2 a company on turn 1.
>>92569351Why can't they just let people paint stuff on their planes? This is why we're having a recruitment crisis right now
>>92568862At this point it's avatar fagging and if jannies even looked in here you'd be getting slapped for it
>>92569423Evil toxic masculinity.
>>92569418Dont c3 networks re-establish themselves once outside the ecm bubble? I dont recall ever having a c3 network permakulled unless the c3m got a crit or the unit killed
>>92569423This >>92569526, in a nutshell. And its seen as untidy/not visually smart by the powers that be.Also there's more to the recruitment issues than a lack of pinups.>>92569528C3i does. Regular C3 does not.>>92569399Yep. What officers don't see, grunts get away with.
>>92569423Well, can't do it on stealth stuff because of the fancy coatings, but otherwise basically to avoid butthurt and lawsuits
>>92569423Because it often isn't one pilot's plane anymore. Your name might be on it and formally you are assigned it but planes and pilots can be on different duty rotation.
>>92568967How is the gunsringer as a C3M? I've been having some difficulty finding one that I like
>>92569423Because it offends nosy feminist busybodies and the parasite 'middle manager' class of officers (who are often total fucking weirdos). And with stealth planes because it fucks with the coating.
>>92569399infantry gear in the Ukraine conflict is full of weeb waifu shit.
>>92569221Whilst the concept of "Let's give an atlas TSM" does raise an eyebrow, I just don't consider anything post Jihad canon, sorry.
>>92569659>>92569221But in answer to your question... you ever get into GW's revamp of Aeronautica? The pulse cannons the Tau got in their kit might be what you're looking for, or they might be a bit small.
>>92569648The entire officer class is not only dangerously incompetent, but they are feectively in service ot the wests enemies
>>92565806The Knights/Brotherhood is one of the few "good guys" type of faction in Battletech. Its a christian military order of mechwarriors, and by the Dark Age, also ASF and BA pilots. The basically fight pirates and defend isolated planets, while sharing the Gospel and educate people.Now, the Knights are not actibly after the Black Marauder, but one Knight, Perseus "Percy" Schell, and his squires.The guys is kinda a scholar of the weird part of the Periphery, and followed the legend to Novo Franklin, were hefaced some pirates using the legend, and then the Black marauder itself.
>>92569346That's your own bias, nothing in the lore supports your bullshit.
>>92568862>>92568896
>>92569985>I have no evidence!Fuckin' idiot.The lore also doesn't explicitly state the kuritan women do not fuck octopus monsters in unerground entertainment facilities, or that capellans do not eat live monkeys for breakfast, or that lyrans are not the peak of human genetics, etc...The unspoken list of what X does not do is infinite.No evidence = isn't true. Your personal butthurt over the nationalist aspects of the lore is meaningless.
>>92570052The entire lore of each house supports it by the fact that they are mono-nationalist in cultural identity, retard.The evidence for a duck being a duck is that it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.Do you breathe through your mouth?
>>92570080>The entire lore of each house supports it by the fact that they are mono-nationalist in cultural identity, retard.The fiction seems to generally point out that interstellar imperial culture's adoption at the planetary level is rather spotty.
>>92570091All you have is your own biased opinions on the matter, every depiction of Lyrans is German, Capellans; Chinese, etc...Afro samurai doesn't belong, it's an out of place caricature born of ironically racist DEI ideology.
>>92570103Yet every time a character is Ientified as Lyran the writers make sure to note something German about them, from accent to appearance, same holding true for each nation.
>>92570128Except for many Kuritan characters being Russian and some being Arab, the Japanese and Jewish Draconis March characters, the Scottish Lyran characters, the FWL being anything and everything, and white Capellan characters.
>>92570091Where did Rashalhague come from then? St Ives compact? Its not even a tourist, its just a typical Chuddy “the Empire is the gud guys” lie
>>92570128Characters in novels generally are either 0,0000000001%ers who were born part of ir are directly working for the central core of their respective imperium, climbers trying to get there or people who're otherwise deeply connected to the ideals of their interstellar mainstream culture.Also the first Cappellan Justine Liao meets on the game world is a layabout guy cosplaying as a Manchu, which is a non-Chinese asian ethnicity.
>>92570144Dont bother. Chuddies dont care.
>>92555225 Argie, or just a Milei admirer?
>>92570215Chuddy retard. Guise we hav budget surplus!!! Just like Somalia!
>>92570225Gonna say this only once, and if you want we can take the discussion to /pol/, but i work for the National State, and basically 95% of the people they didnt renew the contract were ñoquis or Union cocksuckers.
>>92570237Sure sure. Just stop paying 100k people and cancel a shit ton of operating programs. That will realiy scare those “globalists.”But my real response is no one cares about Argentina. Enjoy being just like every other South American country.
>>92570252Oh sure, we are in the fucking Periphery. But sooner or later all the shit you see in burgerland and Europe seeps down here. There are already gynephilic degenerates fucking around, and MAP fuckers in the leftist groups.
>>92569206Just randomly rambling, but my dad was once interesting in growing bonsai and tried to share the hobby with me - he still has a lot of great books from the 80s. But he gave me a cute little pine of some sort, and all the books are at his place. Just sitting and wondering what to do with the little guy.On top of that a nearby place has these maple trees I think look beautiful, and since they have seedlings growing in their garden proper they've let me try taking some home to grow as bonsai. But when I tried last year the seedlings didn't make it. Annoying when a plant will grow where you don't want but not where you do. I did try grabbing a few seeds last fall but I've lost track of them.So I'm not completely off topic, here's a third party custom model I think looks neat. I've thought about grabbing it for fun.
>>92570252The next war against Great Britain will be the turning point.
>>92570313Nah, no one want to deal with the Falkland/Malvinas crap. Its just jingoistic BS for our local MAGA-tards.Also, it easier to wait and negotiate with the coming british caliphate.
>>92570144>many Kuritan characters being RussianI thought it was the capellans who controlled tikinov
>>92570350There were also slavs in the Combine. Grieg Samsonov is an example.Also remember that the real japs are in the Lyran Commonwealth, New Kyoto.
>>92570364And FWL, Tematagi, homeworld of Nimakachi Fusion Products Limited.
>>92570364Keks. People already lose their claim to an ethno-nationalist identity in the eyes of their peers by living abroad on Earth for too long, never mind spending centuries and generations on a planet somewhere in outer space.
Anyone ever try out that omni-marauder from the ilclan books?
>>92570148There are steppe asians with blue eyes though, and southeast asians.
>>92570560Unassisted breathing in space is a deeply politically incorrect act.
>>92570148The Liaos were Anglo-Nepalese from the Hong Kong Free State. Liao run to Nepal after Hong Knog got conquered by the chinese, and created a terrorist group/cult, and later highjacked a colonial JS to fund Cynthiana, wich later became the planet Liao.
Wasp LAM or Stinger LAM? The Wasp has a bomb bay, but more limited weapons. The Stinger can take 3 medium lasers, but is that really enough?
>>92570471No, literal Hitler invited ethnic Germans from the world to return home as the blood brothers he saw them to be.What you're talking about is a trait of post-WW2 liberal anti-european ideologies that seek to "diversify" (ie; destroy and/or outbreed the native population) of ethnic european nations.
>>92570364Battletech is extremely multi-cultural if you scratch the surface. This makes sense - a lot of planets were settled by colonists from specific Earth regions, and feudalism joined them all together under a larger House. But people rarely migrate from planet to planet, so things rarely get muddled, or new immigrants end up absorbed into the planetary culture. Even if a flag changes most things stay the same.
>>92570826One more because I have it. Each of these ethnicities usually comes down to one specific planet.
>>92570651Which model, era, and faction?
>>92570924This comment has been found in violation of Community Rule #3b, Do Not Engage In Flame War. You will now be blocked by the BattleTech General account.
>>92570656He was very keen to do his friend Mussolini a solid when he agreed to the removal of Germans who had lived in Southern Tyrole since 900 A.D, yes.
>>92570924Nothing wrong with what I've stated. Having your ethnic identity denied by your peers is something even returning migrant workers have to deal with, never mind their kids and grandkids.
>>92570955
>>92570997Except Tyrol is still full of Germans, so your theory is bunk.
>>92571114The other guy claimed that Hitler "invited" Germans, when in reality, the one major case where he actually went through with it, it was him agreeing to a policy of ethnic cleansing of Germans in return for political favours.Let's call a spade a spade, how about it?
>>92571187You don't know about all the Canadians and Americans who joined the Wehrmacht?
>>92571187>policy of ethnic cleansing of Germans in return for political favours.Lol, that's post-war propaganda.
>>92571254Yeah, they were stuffed into the international brigades, like the SS Wiking. My grandpa used to serve in that one for a while too. Such adventurism is nothing unusual or remarkable and it has nothing to do with somebody's fevorent desire to unite their race on their ancient soil either - in fact, Hitler gladly saw Germans removed from their ancestral lands.As for individual adventurism - it's nothing unusual or remarkable - Germans and Brits joined ISIS, Indians and Nepalese have been shanghai'd into the russian army these days.
>>92571372>Hitler gladly saw Germans removed from their ancestral landsMore post-war propaganda BS, this one sounds like it was pulled out of your ass too, which is standard fare for such.
how are we doing today /pol/ i mean /btg/
>>92571114That's indeed a sad thing, if Mussolini was a serious statesman like Stalin the German plague in Northern Italy would have been solved long ago. >>92570826>>92570838It's not even worth bothering much with this: it's heritage from Btech's 80ies roots. National identities are forged and broken at the drop of a hat if supported by sufficient political power: one can only wonder what would happen with space colonization an' shit. It's merely heritage of American writing where having a drop of Scottish blood means you're AN ANCESTRAL SCOT WITH AN ACCENT instead of a mutt. Hell, in 200 years probably Scotland itself will be speaking some variety of Arabic.
Well if the combine has a population of russians I know exactly who the next mechwarrior in my company's going to be
>>92571394>More post-war propaganda BSThe removal of Southern Tyrolians was real. Mussolini wanted them gone in order to make space for italian colonization and Hitler was willing to give him a hand by taking them in.
>>92570560need tiger gene caste woman to kill me
>>92571503Disagreed, but also far from the original point, which is:Literal IRL Nazi's didn't see any problem with overseas ethnic Germans, only modern Germans that have been subjected to nearly a century of anti-european liberal brainwashing into feeling guilty of being German, think like this, and not even all of them at that, many still go to jail for wrongthink.
>>92571464They don't already? I can barely understand a lick of what people say up near Perth
>>92571715>imageSauce?
>>92571541Not really. You can also find examples of it in Japan, where kids from Brazilian and Argentinian expat communities will get shat on and turkish migrant workers and their kids will easily tell you of all the time they were called "Germans" and discriminated against in Turkey.Likewise, the Amish certainly wouldn't be considered Swiss or French even though they preserved the dialect and culture of their region of origin.Ethnic identity is hella fragile even on this blue planet, so somebody whose family has lived on another planet for generations certainly is in no position to sensibly claim an ethnic identity from earth.
>>92568532It has been 8 (eight) threads since MadCat Clan Fag has refused to answer my BatChall
>>92570560What this from?
>>92571715>Mihira did canonically try to Snu-snu a man to death.just bitting my throat off will do
>>92571726All axis nations/ethnicities (Amish are German) subjected to post-WW2 brainwashing and/or the consequences thereof.
>>92569528They do, always. I'm not sure what the other anon is about, because unless he can come up with a page reference, all ECM specifically states C3 networks are only disrupted "while within the bubble." There's also no text for C3i that says anything about its ability to reestablish links differently from other C3 systems.
>>92568989>>92569129>>92569157Well, my point was less that MLs are the >only< thing they're competing with. More that they're directly competing with, hands-down, the single most efficient close-range anti-mech weapon in the game. I get the original logic - one flamer hits like an MG and a half-ton of ammo, reducing its weight makes it strictly better, and as a dedicated anti-infantry weapon it's got a niche use that theoretically makes it better than an ML sometimes. With Infernos in anything but MMLs you're deliberately choosing to cripple your critseeking and lowering the boom-boom threshold (top tip: do not ever alpha strike in a Dervish loading Inferno ammo). MMLs finally let Infernos come into their own as a real auxiliary ammo type instead of a flat either-or, which again reduced flamers' niche. Sex-pulses are just flat-out better in every way than a burner. I'll give them that for being in the Jihad.>>92568998I've had that happen a few times. I discovered the BJ-O, Watchman, and Gurkha back in the 90s when the game store at Lemoore NAS had like twelve of each in stock and couldn't ditch them, so the owner let me buy a bunch at wholesale. Once I got a Bandersnatch for free in a horse trade with some rando in the LGS, and fielded it on a whim in my campaign. Turns out it's a fucking brutal companion to pretty much anything with a good slapping weapon. And that ML battery is nothing to sneeze at even in 3060. Next time up, I rolled >six< SHD-2H in a mercenary campaign and just started fielding them in a demi-company. When you're facing three times your weight in vehicles, having something that can pop 4-6 hexes of "free" LRM-5 smoke, a dozen Infernos, and a couple loads of Flak ammo to pop VTOLs makes Princess need to work extra-hard for her lunch.
>>92569227>>92569344Someone has never had contact with 1970s-1980s Black American culture. By which I mean what people were making for themselves and doing in their own communities, not what was being presented as said culture elsewhere. Any Black man over 25 would consider him utterly badass representation, in no small part because he's probably a Hell of a lot like their older brother/dad/uncle/ideal self. There's a *reason* why Combine players come in a lot more shades than Davions do, and it's not just Tetsuhara.>>92569293The Kuritas have planets that were largely settled by Swedes, Finns, Scots-Irish, Africans from all of the cultural bands, hell, there are a couple Jewish planets. Prior to the unification they didn't mingle much. Kurita, who was sorta vaguely Japanese-ish, conquered them all, announced the Weeb LARP Festival of the Millenium, and anyone who acted the part got promoted and awarded land-holds. The "problem" is he was huffing paint, WWII reprints of Edo-era propaganda, and 1970s chanbara movies instead of history. it is not a problem. It is kind of awesome Kurita himself was trading on the reputation of his ancestor, the chucklefuck that got the Yamato sank a few months before the BattleTech timeline diverges from ours*. One of the deadliest ninja clans in Combine space is a bunch of angry green-eyed gingers. There's Jewish-run Yakuza families serving the old purpose as mutual aid associations that happen to also pimp and smuggle. One of the major players in the third and fourth Succession wars is a corrupt Russian warlord acting like the Mori and Date clans. It's overall an interesting vision of a space culture that people adapted to, rather*it's heavily implied that WWII ended with the Soviets nuking Berlin
>>92572576and this is all better sci-fi representation than the current day's "we must make sure we represent people as they were, and only people from group X can talk about or represent group X"Cultures change, merge, diverge, and make shit up, and to act like the only "good" content featuring Group X is that which is slurping off their history is daft.
>>92572576>It's overall an interesting vision of a space culture that people adapted to..They found a place for themselves in the weird LARP framework. Instead of becoming an isolated and fractious pack of assholes who'd rather see their neighbor down the street burn than consider themselves a nation. Or a military machine sustained entirely for the benefit of a few dozen planets by plundering their rural areas. Or a brutal police state that's been on a wartime economy it can't sustain for generations as the leaders sink into madness, paranoia, and self-defeating internal purges and power plays. Or alt-dot-politics-dot-war-dot-furaffinity.Yes, those examples are overly-reductive, but that Anon is a retard.
>>92571967Turkey was neutral during WW2.
>>92572576>*it's heavily implied that WWII ended with the Soviets nuking Berlin"Und nichts von Wert wurde beschädigt.", as the Germans would surely put it.
Where’s the mega?
>>92572576>Any Black man over 25 would consider him utterly badass representationYeah, not the culture I give a shit about offending with appropriation, try coming about 180 degrees.
>>92572768Tell that to the modern historians who now consider both Switzerland and Turkey to have been Nazi allies of convenience, because not fighting against them makes those nations a part of the problem.
>>92572792That's not talking about the modern shithole Berlin.
>>92572982Everything of value should've been thoroughly damaged by the general bombing campain that should've hit the city before the Russians dropped a nuke on it.
>>92573067Ah, fair enough view.
>>92572951First time hearing that GLADIO was actually a SJW, black liberation feminist LGBT operation.
>>92573099Google "Turkey WW2" and what I'm talking about should be near the top results.
>>92572929Well then you shouldn't worry, because there isn't a black, or japanese person who would care.CuLtUrAl ApPrOpRiAtIoN is an exclusively liberal white american concept.>>92569329Minobu is based on real guy, that's why.
>>92571967>(Amish are German)The Amish have swiss and franco-german communities, from Berne and from the Alsace-Lorraine respectively.
>>92573152You don't get to speak for whole entire races, chud.
>>92573170>Berne>Alsace-LorraineWhich are German
>>92573176And you do?
>>92570656Hitler declared the Japanese Ayran. Speaks volumes about what happens when ideology meets practicality.
>>92572951The Swiss were a Nazi ally, just a cowardly and cynical one. They even shot at Allied planes, until we told them what they'd be in for by "accidentally" bombing them.
>>92572576I thought BT timeline only diverged from ours sometime in the 1980s, and WW2 went more or less the way it did in our timeline. The big difference between BT timeline and ours occurs in the 90s when their equivalent of Gorbachov gets assassinated by the military hardliners (in our timeline they just tried to stage an ineffectual coup while he was on vacation, and in the aftermath the Soviet Union just fell apart in a very anticlimactic fashion), starting a full-blown 2nd Russian civil war, in the aftermath of which Boris Johnson (who BT apparently predicted would become the prime minster of UK) proposed expanding NATO into the Western Alliance (the predecessors of what would eventually become the Terran Alliance and later Terran Hegemony).The ancestor of House Kurita wasn't involved in the sinking of the Yamato, though. He was present in the Midway operation commanding one of the cruisers that didn't participate in the actual battle but was damaged by US aircraft in the following day, and was in command of the Yamato during the battle of Leyte Gulf, where he got scared by unexpectedly stiff resistance by American escort ships and light carriers and ordered his fleet to retreat, ruining the Japanese plan (how he wasn't forced to commit seppuku after that I don't know, but he did survive the war).
>>92573217Yeah but he didn't declare them Volksdeutscher and still said that breeding between other ethnicities is not right.His statement was declaring them to be equals, fellows at the peak of humanity, it's a big difference.
>>92573244Official divergence is in the 80's. It's outright stated in the Virtual World novel.
>>92573152>Minobu is based on real guy, that's why.If you're talking Yasuke, there seems to be a bit of a gulf between a guy who's third or fourth gen hardcore Kurita from a lineage of Bushido scholars and university professors and an african warrior-slave who was gifted to a japanese warlord who liked collecting exotic goods.
I've been working on a fedsuns company and I want to add one more lance to it. 1 assault and 3 mediums just to round out all the numbers. I was thinking a Highlander for the assault since I have a spare one unpainted but not sure what mediums to include.
>>92573226The Swiss and the Swedes were subject to the political reality of being surrounded by Nazi-occupied nations. They still strived to maintain their neutrality to the best of their abilities, even if some of their generals, such as the rather infamous Ulrich Wille, certainly had been pushing for an alliance since WW1.
>>92572929>>92573176>>92573222Then I'll simplify it even more. If you're worried another culture's relationship to a third one somehow offensive, then shut the fuck up and deal. It's not your place and it's not your people, and it was never your fight in the first place. Cultural intercourse and assimilation are not appropriation. You seem like the kind of person who impotently seethes at people importing tools, practicing sumo, or learning traditional Japanese handicrafts overseas. FWIW the parts of the Japanese BT community I talk to regard the Kuritas as idiot Imperial Japanese LARPers, up to and including creating the Greater Hubwards Co-Prosperity Sphere. Which is honestly pretty accurate as well. They mostly play Steiners. But it's become blatantly clear that you're not actually interested in other cultures, you're just masturbating to your own sense of perceived virtue. >>92573244>>92573278I remember there being some weird and slightly inaccurate things about the end of WWII and lead-up to WWIII in the books, I should go back and re-read Star League/Periphery again. Will happily eat crow on that if I'm wrong, though. I know the Virtual World novels got bumped to barely-canon status with the other video game stuff and the 'Zines for a while.
>>92570323
>>92573401>They mostly play Steiners.Musuko, you are of age now, so you have to decideWill you durive buraku trukkos with the sansei nikkei space weeaboos?Or will you become a stoic bear hunter of New Kyoto?
>>92573507Chichiue, kudasai, I wish to be Nagelring and lesbian. Both at the same time. And hunt great kurokuma mou ichido.
>>92573437>>92570323The best random fact is that the current king of Jordan is british through his mother and a direct descendant of Muhamed's family through his father, making his house the perfect candicate for the next british royale line after the current one.
>>92571430Give it a day or two and you will be told there is no /pol/ infestation and claiming this thread every happened means you are the real /pol/
>>92573292>If you're talking YasukeI am>here seems to be a bit of a gulf between a guy who's third or fourth gen hardcore Kurita from a lineage of Bushido scholars and university professors and an african warrior-slave who was gifted to a japanese warlord who liked collecting exotic goods.There is, but it doesn't change the fact that Yasuke cemented the trope the gave us Minobu.You're also being disingenuous about the nature of Yasuke's role in history. Oda-Nobunaga highly regarded Yasuke and kept him as a close and well paid retainer within his clan. Yasuke even fought valiantly to avenge Nobunaga's honour, after Nobunaga was betrayed.Yasuke a popular historical figure in Japanese media, and well known in the US by the time of the 80's. It would make sense that FASA would create a Kuritan character based on him, and I'm sure Japanese fans would appreciate the reference.
What's the best variant of the hatamoto mech?
>>92571430>how are we doing today /pol/ i mean /btg/This is how /btg/ is and always has been. Any /pol/ content you think you see is in your own head, because if there's any /pol/ here, it's you.
>>92573714The Hatamoto-Hi. Swaps the Chi's SRM6s with 4xMPLS.Can't go wrong with an 80 ton, 4/6, energy brawler.
>>92573740I have been on this board since 2012, and I am telling you that you are wrong.
>>92573645>>92573740lol
>>92573656We barely know shit about Yasuke, other than that Nobunaga took a fancy to him and had him washed and shrubbed to see whether he'd turn white and that he was captured and handed back to any Fransciscan who'd take him after Nobunaga's downfall.The african slaves claimed by Hideyoshi after he had their Franciscan owners executed probably have more of a paper trail than Yasuke.Either of those seem pretty different from a respected family-line of warrior-scholars, in any case. Plus, as another guy said, the reason why there's a black samurai is because the white majority was pretty vocal about how the asians were African-American too, so their pop culture automatically fell into the general African-American fold and was heavily consumed by and commented on by African-Americans.
>>92573805What's more, Afro-Futurism was right out for BT as seemingly fell stongly on the racially segregationist end of the spectrum and was absolutely not short on Stranger in a Strange Land-style hippie nonsense.
Wait, is the Wobbie Wasp LAM an illegal design?
>>92573714Honestly most of them are pretty good. Even the Combine had to work hard to fuck up the Thug. If it doesn't go underwater, pack an autocannon or MRMs, or mount Advanced-level tech it'll do you right. Dan Sorenson's is a damned fine command ride. The C3 Master is one of the best Master rides period, while the -28Tr gives you a mean point 'Mech for an assault C3 lance. If you play in the Jihad the -27V2 is exceptional.
>>92570284Thats cool anon! Bonsai is a really relaxing hobby, at least thats my experience but im relatively new myself. If im to offer some advice, whats the height your aiming for with the seedlings, and what conditions are they in? Early on you should aim for optimal conditions for them, and only gradually alter things to something easier to maintain later. I would also start with a taller tree initially, and learn from that, taller trees have more redundancy. Maples can be hard, I think. Have you tried an ash? You can also use some herbs and shrubs for bonsais, ive seen some great Ivy and Rosemary arrangements. Heather might also work for you, its relatively sturdy.Hows your pine doing anyway?
>>92573889Doesn't seem to be the case. Its Composite-internals are legal for LAMs and units that don't conform to construction rules are explicitly marked with the (illegal) quirk after all.
>>92573889None of the Wobbie LAMs are illegal, but they're basically not usable in any sort of play except narrative or home games.
>>92573401>parts of the Japanese BT community I talk to regard the Kuritas asNobody cares what your gay friends think.
>>92573967In any case, a unit with both a bomb bay and legs should remain exclusive ot the Princess.
>>92573979YEAH! I only care about the opinions of other politically captured zoomers that agree with my political beliefs!
>>92573932>>92573967I was looking at its record sheet on Megamek, but it says that it's 3 tons overweight. Trying to rebuild it from scratch in Megamek also still has it as overweight. Maybe there was a rules change that make the Wobbie Wasp LAM not work?
>>92568532i don't want to start shit, but is this about valk? I'm just curioushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upHTQYSbwXg
>>92574055It's gay because it's 100% subjective anecdote the likes of>I have gay friends so I can speak for gaysCringe shit.
>>92574167you think razorfist hangs out here?it'd be just like him trying to start a revolution in miniature.
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>>92573401>They mostly play Steiners.Because the LyrCom has a large non-insane Japanese population, or just 'cause money, assault Mechs, and parties are awesome?
>>92574253ts like, dude, why don't you hang out and try to subvert some real prog / regressive movements instead of starting flame wars on BT. Everybody has bills to pay, I suppose.
>>92574253Wouldn't have to try hard, CGL is doing most of the work on that front themselves.
>>92574266what do you expect from someone who bases his entire persona on a Brujah from VtM crossed with Dennis Millers standup routine?
>>92570284>So I'm not completely off topic, here's a third party custom model I think looks neat>we have cauldron born at home
>>92574281he is pretty funny sometimes tho
>>92574167Why do you care what a youtuber thinks?
>>92574294I wonder if he writes it all beforehand or if the wit is all off the cuff.
I can feel the call of loading up a salamander with dead-fire rounds and giving it to my pirate captain as their personal ride, talk me out of it anons
>>92574303Why would we talk you out of something hilarious and awesome?
>>92574294Every 'rocker dude' type needs to spend one day in a suit looking themselves in the mirror in quiet contemplation and self reflection.>this is why your not ancilla
>>92574303You could find something better than a salamander.
>>92574317>no fun allowed!Try it yourself, chudly.
>>92574302>smoke jaguar pronouns "was / were"top kek
>>92574321What IS Mech has a better LRM-to-tonnage ratio than the Salamander? (The Ha Otoko counts as a Clan Mech, even the IS variant).
>>92574302seems like a standup routine, you have a loose outline and some card cues, but most of it is memorized / ad hoc
>>92574329if he'd just tone it down a bit maybe he wouldn't come across as such a complete dork
>>92574339Yeoman if your metric is #LRMs vs #tons
>>92574340Either way if he comes up with it all himself it's clever.
>>92574347that jackets bigger than he is.makes it look like hes wearing shoulder pads.
>>92574351>Yeoman:>50 LRMs/60 tons = 0.87 LRMs per ton>Salamander:>60 LRMs/80 tons = 0.75 LRMs per tonDammit, you're right.
>>92574356it is ngl. dude cracks me up
>>92574369Also, I forgot>Viking>70 LRMs/90 tons = 0.78 LRMs per ton>Also the LRMs have Artemis
>>92574361behind every metal head is a d&d nerd who got bullied in high school. The things boys do for girl in tight leather pants.
>>92574167okay, have I really been wrong for the last 40 years? Is it pronounced fahsah or phase-A?
>>92574361I'm telling you, dark blue or black jean jacket, trade that harley for an indian, some color fade sunglasses, he could be the next rick dees.
>>92574379But Yeoman seems more fitting for a pirate, only the poor and desperate have-nots would take it, anyone with a choice would go for something else.
>>92573570Last I heard, he was still stuck in the Delta Quadrant?
>>92574410with the things i want women to do me, i don't have much choice
>>92574422Odd way of phrasing it.I only have things I want to do to women.
>>92574422gaiz, im out of ideas for customs. Unless some new tech comes out, i think i'm done. Also I'm getting reamed in MWO, best i've done out of a dozen or so matches was a couple of random kills with a quad LPPC cicada
>>92574448things like.. fetch me a beer and make me a sammich
>>92574459Oh, do for you, not to you.
>>92574450I was in tier 4, (or 2? i forget which way it goes, the second to top anyhow) but i dropped down two teirs recently because of my old man reflexes and garbage ergo setup for my mouse and keyboard.On the bright side they have thunderbolts, pulse, and magshot now, + sb and light guass
Turtle power!
>>92574470you 'eahrd mehhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDezECR9ga4
>>92574484oh you adorable little dork
>>92574484teenage mutant ninja fasciststeenage mutant ninja fasciststurtles in a half track! turtle power!
>>92574484>RaphlalasYes.
>>92574503I'd watch it.
>>92574396>rick dees.nobody ever takes the bait
>>92574503I wanted to come up with a comedy sketch where you invite jewish celebrities on the show and have them pressed up against a wall by nazi's where they try to talk their way out of being executed, sort of like that skit from nickelodian with the firing squad, only mildly anti-semetic.The nazi's would recognize them and says things like, "Oh, you are billy crystal! I loved you in Harry Met Sally!"
>>92574503>Ninja turtles are fascists
>>92574537(wipes tear from eye) ahhh, such good times. Face the wall please.
>>92574488cont. well.. not THAT particular fetish, but you get my drift.
>>92574544>Ve vill alvays have zee film, zee is not required furzer!
Anybody got any novel builds i can steal for MWO? They don't usually translate well from tabletop but I'm bone dry when it comes to ideas.
>>92574506That feeling when the other mechs keep jumping behind you.
>>92574553It would always end with them being executed.On camera, not in real life.
>>92574585You just ruined it.
>>92574590whetever Cartman
>>92574384I've always pronounced it fahsah
>>92574609Like darth vader with a spittle throwing lisp
>>92574609moofasa
>>92574618i knew a guy like that. really smart but they get so excited when they talk they start to spit.
>>92574603Viewership will continue to decline as long as media doesn't have the balls to produce material for fear of being offensive, it's go big or go home and in the historic example of the roman coliseum, blood sells.
>>92574635true, but you run the risk of getting lost in the spectacle. not that thats generally a bad thing as summer blockbusters tend to go.The pendulum will swing back the other way eventually. Right now its women and their girl power nonsense, but the frat boy national lampoon crowd will come back around, you'll see. And it'll be just as obnoxious as ever.
>>92574635I wish Battletech would do some more multi-media stuff. Even when it goes down in flames, its always entertaining to see BTTV
>>92574659lol, ill take that bet.
>>92574666Yes, but not until the debacle of wokeness fucks off, a lawd dem rangz BT movie/show would be worse than nothing.
>>92574674I dunno, could be unintentionally hilarious.
>>92574186Non-japanese libtards claiming that Minoru is offensive to Japanese is any better?
>>92574713>pronoun powers, activate!
>>92574714If you look at the comments carefully you'll see it's not a liberal.
>>92574713No, it wouldn't. It would just be tiresome bullshit and a needless dragging of the IP through the mud.
>>92574720The concept of cultural appropriation is a liberal one. If you claim something is cultural appropriation then you are being a libtard.
>>92574727Read the comments, it's a turntables argument, firing at the libs with their own guns.
>>92574673Go to FBI stats for 2023. Look up per capita murder for WV or whatever retard state you like. Compare to NYC. Not that hard chuddy
>>92574724thats why you need a machavallian scheme to feed their ego and propel it past the point of absurdity
>>92574756It's going there of it's own accord, no need to volunteer that which we love to be consumed in the bonfire.
>>92574754Yeah that's not because the actual murder rate is lower there. It's because they're concealing the real murder rate in urban areas.
>>92574666so MW V is coming out.. looks like they are raising the bar again on graphics. will be neat to see what they come up with.
Hey guys do you think the Marauder would prefer to cuddle as the big spoon or little spoon?
>>92575141your ppc is poking me
>>92575141>Narrow profile quirk>Skinny as fuckDefinitely little spoon
>>92575228That's not my PPC :)
Which faction would have the best rations?
>>92575271Kuritan bento boxes lovingly prepared by legions of devoted widows who want to serve the soldiers
>>92575271FedSuns because of the French influence
>>92574512Whose Rick Dee's?
>>92575306Wouldn't that make them the worst? I know people dunk on bong cuisine but having looked into french food, I've gained a newfound distaste of the continentals
>>92575328RICK DEES NUTZ, BITCH!
>>92575279they personally have a schoolgirl loving fart into every box.
>>92575349Only for mechwarriors. Lesser troops have to deal with the disgusting misery that is the fart of an old* woman*she's considered old if she hits 24 without marrying
>>92575349>a whole batallion of Kuritan Mechwarriors die in their next engagement due to a nasty case of pink-eye
>>92575377lol gross>>92575373Screw you, i love christmas cake.
>>92575401not so much when they are farting on my lunch tho
>>92575332When it comes to rations French and Italian tend to rank pretty high on taste. Japanese would be perfect for efficiency and somehow getting that packaged rice to be as good as it is. US wins usually on logistic capabilities not so much taste.
>>92574257Japanese people think Germany is cool, far as I understand. Also an economic powerhouse would probably seem more fun, kinda like 80s Japan.
The an-ting legions. What's their story, what role do they fulfill in the drac heirarchy, why is the fluff of their home planet so inconsistent? Blue dracs is something I've rarely seen so these guys seem interesting to me
Let's paint some minis~I'm taking to the time to repaint this merc/pirate force with some proper effort. Starting with this catapult.I just finished the black for the base coat. Next is to volume shade the white, and then add the detailing.
>>92575546This is what it looked like before I stripped it for repainting.Gross, but still better than some finished mini's I;e seen
>>92575485An Ting was a planet that was relatively rich during the early Succession Wars and founded a military academy and raised a few regiments. The An Ting Legions then got #rekt during the 2SW, as did the planet.From the 3SW until the 3050s, they were completely neglected by the DCMS and did shitty. At that point, Teddy K was like, "Wow, these guys performed no more shit than anyone else against the Clans, we should cut them some slack" and they basically got promoted to Regular-tier.The military academy closed in the early 3000s but was reopened in 305X.Like most of the DCMS's redheaded stepchildren, the An Ting tend to specialize in tactics aside from stand-up fights (hit-and-run, night fighting, urban warfare, etc).> why is the fluff of their home planet so inconsistent?Lol, lmao even.
>>92575349>>92575373ROPE. NOW. YOU FILTHY DEGENERATES.
>>92575605auto erotic asphyxiation.hot.
>>92575332The French famously have some of the best field rations.I personally haven't partaken, but friends of mine who were on joint exercises report that they're amazing, to the point that one French MRE (or whatever it's called) would trade for 2-3 of those from most other countries.
>>92575485>The an-ting legions. What's their story,After the First succession War, the Combine starts forming units based entirely on troops graduated from the An Ting Academy instead of spreading them throughout their territory. This may be connected to the rise of warlordism in the Combine during the Succession Wars. >what role do they fulfill in the drac heirarchyAt first they were a regional garrison force that started to get used for troubleshooting and raids on the Suns as shit deteriorated. Three of the original five legions were destroyed in the Second Succession War. Once the An Ting Academy was destroyed in the Third War the First and Fourth started getting used as a dumping ground for Mechwarriors too skilled or honorable for the Ghosts and Legions of Vega but without the connections to get them into a "better" unit. Then they spent a lot of time scrapping along the borders and being used as a strategic reserve. The Dracs also cucked them hard by handing their planet over to the 'Goons, which ended poorly for everyone including the Legions. In the Clan invasion both Legions rotated into the front and got the shit beaten out of them, with the Fourth being completely destroyed and the Sixth formed to replace it. After the Jihad they're an honorable but bottom-tier dumping ground. Which means you can just use your Civil War hardware in the Il-Clan era if you want. The destroyed Legions got reconstituted in the Dark Age as an attempt to teabag the Davions/Clans. >why is the fluff of their home planet so inconsistent?Because it's a minor backwater that didn't get adequately fact-checked, and then fell into the list of acceptable targets that Coleman could throw into the blender to fuel his raging genocide fetish in the Jihad. With the asterisk that I haven't sat down and actually read the new Succession Wars fluff books yet, they might have more info.
>>92575656I hate to say this, but god the BT factions are SO BORING. They are completely flavorless, you can barely tell them apart.If you talk to anyone outside the franchise, they will be able to tell the clans apart from the IS, or maybe wolf/ ghost bear from jade falcon / smoke jags, but even stuff like telling the DC from Liao is impossible, they are all just too similar. The characterization of the factions and their culture are so shallow that stereotypes actually help differentiate them.
>>92575700BT can't decide if it wants to be Voltron or Platoon
>>92575700the wars and history don't matter because there is nothing to differentiate the combatants. I feel like the board game is really bad about this, they want all factions to be paper cut outs as an excuse to watch big mechs punch each other.Why even have factions if you can't tell them apart?
>>92575714Sorry, just an old gripe i have with it. I bring it up from time to time, i don't mean to bait people.
>92575700>92575714 Bruh, if you can't tell the factions apart, you probably aren't the specific kind of historical autist by and for whom the game was made. But also you've gotten more than enough (you)s and off-topic posts for this thread, and your blatant trolling has proven that you aren't worth the effort. It would be better for us and for you if you found somewhere else to be.
>>92575714Thats why people gravitate towards the more popular factions i think, because they are easier to digest. People know what JF is about because Falcons are Falcons. Who the hell are the 'snow ravens' or 'blood spirits' or even the freakin 'free worlds league'. I can't even make them seem like swarthy mediterianian multiculturalists, because they are too 'diverst', i.e., lacking in characterization.Their is no national character to them, no shared values, they are all monarchists without any of the flavor a family or noble house should have.I mean, why not just lean into the stereotype a bit? Whats so painful about calling a spade a spade?
>>92575774I mean if wars aren't about race or ethnicity, and they aren't about shared cultures or values, then what the hell are they about? Why chose one over any other?
>>92575774cont. i think what woke people forget is that they actually have to live in the world they created.
>>92575790I don't want to live in a world without black afro samuria.
>>92575819I mean, whats the worse that can happen? Somebody calls you tone deaf and you issue your boilerplate disclaimer apology after the fact. Boo hoo.
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so if i want to score a headshot, i'll have better chance if i... punch?>so charger actually has its use then?
>>92575908yes dingus, 1 in 6. Take TSM with a 55+ tonner and knock yourself out.
>>92575864Good thing i don't have one, then.
am I a madman for thinking that the centurion is a slightly redesigned Xabungle?
>>92575940Most of the designs are based on old mecha from ancient anime's, just slightly different with the serial numbers filed off.
>>92575970I know but its not like the Centurion is explicitly a Unseen mech. did the Cent come out after the whole unseen debacle? if so I could absolutely see Fasa redesigning the Xabungle slightly to avoid further controversy
>>92576020It doesn't surprise me that there are design similiarities between humanoid robots. People are creative but there are just so many variations on that look that you can come up with.
>>92575485From what I was told their university being back was Clickytech lore and should be taken with a large grain of salt. It's not even clear if it's on An-Ting itself anymore or got refunded.Otherwise everything else important has already been mentioned. They're mild rivals to the other university-sponsored regiments, the Sun Zhang Cadre. Notice how their colors are blue and silver stripes, but Sun Zhang is white with light blue stripes. They're Free-Floating Regiments now (not tied to a homeworld or region) so they can plug whatever gaps exist in other lines.They're not elite at all, but they're not near as bad off as the Legion of Vega, so they're the ones I picked for my dudes. Still need to try painting, I'm scared of stripes.
>>92576069>Notice how their colors are blue and silver stripes, but Sun Zhang is white with light blue stripes.right, cause that will help you tell them apart.
I am too stupid to understand what is happening.Good luck shitting up the thread when the jannies ban you, I'm sure your room temperature iq is going to do real well against mods.
Mods = Gods.
If I wanted to transport horse cavalry or exotic mounts like branth. Do I need special transport bays or do conventional infantry bays work? If yes are there any conventional infantry dropships?
>>92576190With everything that's been left up?Seems rather half-assed and invitational for the shitting to continue, so much so that one has to wonder why even bother removing the 2 or 3 comments they did.There's another 30-40 posts that are topically identical and equally off-topic as well as equally offensive to one or the other side of the off-topic posting.
>>92575940yes, you're a madman. There are no transforming elements. The arm, leg, and head design is completely different in silhouette -- let alone in detail -- and the torso only shares a very vague outline. They both have a design heritage that resembles some of Tomino's work, but the Centurion is no more a tweaked Xabungle than it is a tweaked Ideon.
>>92576252>they both have a headcrest and are therefore the same thingWhat are you smoking?
>>92575940How?
>>92576248>Low-skill troll gets blown out in a straight argument and then ignored>tries again and gets told to fuck off>Deathspirals thread with self-replying offtopic spam posts to hide their shameIt's not new but it is kind of sad. I hope someday someone gives him the beatings and the hugs he so desperately needed from his father [Mrs.] (dec.).>>92576242There are a whole bunch of cheap conventional military droppers, like the Bucc. IIRC Beast Cavalry has special transport requirements, lemme check the library.
> "i want to use these mechs" vs. "i want my mechs to do this"which approach?
>>92576313It's clearly multiple anons, you sound desperate to place all your butthurt onto a single bogeyman.
>>925759202 in 6 if you punch with both arms.
>>92576313>>92576242All right, I looked it up. They just use standard infantry compartments, but have to use the adjusted weight of the platoons. Grunt infantry takes up 2t per platoon. A 7-man Branth platoon weighs 7t (three and a half infantry bays), while a cavalry platoon of 21 weighs 15 tons (7.5 bays). You're not gonna be moving a horse cavalry platoon in any specialized dropper smaller than a Condor. Although you could use an adapted cargo dropper like a Mule. Fortunately replacing cargo space with transport compartments is extremely cheap and easy as far as dropship modifications go. Should only take few weeks of work. As a GM I'd allow it in a heartbeat.
>>92576190They keep leaving up the nazi mechs with actual swastikas on them, so I wouldn't go that far.
>>92576323Both. Pick your favorites and then decide where in time and space they fit best and organize your force around that.
>>92575774>People know what JF is about because Falcons are Falcons. Who the hell are the 'snow ravens' or 'blood spirits' or even the freakin 'free worlds league'.I have absolutely no idea what this is supposed to mean.Someone not familiar with the game doesn't know what the Falcons are.Green falcons are not somehow connected with being traditionalist (but not insane) members of a bizarre military society. You have to learn about Green Bird to appreciate it, and at that point you could just as easily appreciate Purple Bird.Now, it's true that each individual Clan is much simpler and more straightforward than each Successor State, but there's nothing special about the Jade Falcons. And even the Successor States are easily reducible, if that's what you want.Yes, the Combine is ethnically diverse underneath the Japanese supremacy, yes, there's intense politicking among the nobility, a conflict between reformers and traditionalists, etc. But if you said "People LARPing as Imperial Japanese LARPing as samurai", that's about 90%+ of it.
>>92576481Looks like modified cargo space is the only reasonable option to transport cav. A condor only has 12 inf bays. Using up 7.5 bays would be a bummer. Thank you for checking. Now to ignore whats efficient and do LRRP with horse mounted troops.
>>92568532How does /btg/ feel about this mech?
>>92576568The ppc variant absolutely fucks.
>>92576568Uziel my beloved.
>>92576568it fucks
>>92576568Decided to check sarna. See the customs section. Some fucking goon strapped two RAC 5's to this thing. Someone put that in production for fucks sake.
>>92568938>>92569206Any chance we could get the pornstar thread back? Compromise: We do a separate thread from the General for it. If 40k can hog half the catalog, we can have two threads.>mfw Verification not required
>>92576568As a rule, if a mech has reverse jointed AT-ST legs like that, I will enjoy it no matter what.The stock loadout is a bit janky with that LB 2-X AC in the one arm, but I've been in love with the PPC variant ever since Mechwarrior 4 came out.
>>92576568>>92576583I do enjoy the Uziel
>>92576568I like the look, jump jets and DHS, but it's got too varied a weapons loadout and is also rather late in the FCCW which puts it at the extreme range of my era tolerance, I may get one eventually but I've got so much more ahead of it on my list.
1 light, 1 medium, 1 heavy and 1 assault; is this a good starting point?
>>92576724Works as well as any.
>>92576724Sure, it's where I started. Question is can you stick with so few? I had a couple dozen within 2 months.
>>92576724If you get AGOAC, it's 2 of each. Best place to start the game
>>92576724Depends strongly on your choices, but you can make a pretty functional lance with that configuration. Make sure to pay attention not just to weight class but weapon selection, armor and mobility. For lighter mechs you most likely want to match their speed so they can support one another, while it's okay to have an Assault crawl a bit so long as it has the range to back up the rest of the lance at distance.
Who has decent Uziel models?
>>92576809https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-uzl-2s-uziel-for-battletech-105443
>>92576809There's a CGL plastic coming eventually. Most of the other designs you can find are rips of the MWO look for it, which aren't as good as the MW4 look. We know Shimmy is a big MW4 fan, so I'm hoping he gets
>>92576832I'm not so sure I believe the leaks. Some of those packs have too many good mechs in them. It seemed to me they have been trying to put one great ride in a box with some mediocre/stinkers. Like that pack thats Ostsol, Ostroc, Ostwar, and Scarabus. No way in hell that is real.
is there any downside for not taking any ballistic weapons at all? going all energy (+some missile)?
is the begginer box a good entry point for a baby like me to get a taste of the stuff?
>>92576875No. The best mechs area all pure energy boats
>>92576875Not really, until CASE and special munitions become widley available, Ballistics are (generally) seen as a huge weakness.
>>92576861Ray confirmed that they're authentic in the official discord. They might change, but they're the plan as of now.>>92576884It's a perfect "dip your toe in for $25" thing, and the mechs are useful. If you expect to like the game, the A Game Of Armored Combat box is the better choice.
>>92576884No, it has a stripped down ruleset that will teach you bad habbits. However it does come with a griffin and Wilverine, which are good mechs. So pick it up anyway, and use the $20 off coupon to get AGoAC
>>92576897Sorry, Griffin and Vindicator, not wolverine
>>92576906Wolverines came with the first edition beginners box, the one you posted is 2nd edition
>>92576886is that why davion got fucked?
what's the 'standard' bv for games?
>>92576956Not really. Classic-level gameplay doesn't have much effect on the high level story
>>92576974I think 6K BV, Clan Invasion is the closest we have to a standard, but every group is slightly different
>>92573570The English have made it clear that even the Dutch are a better alternative to papists and other such infidels. Why do you think Lady Diana was assassinated?
>>92576893>Ray confirmed that they're authentic in the official discord. They might change, but they're the plan as of now.Oh god my fucking wallet. Avatar, Akuma, Chimera, Hollander, Zerker, Fafnir, Scarabus, Falconer, Templar, Celestials, and Uziel. Worse than that, I'll have to paint them.
>>92576974What era? 4-6k for lance on lance introtech. 8-10 for Clan Invasion. 12k+ for CW onward
>>92576984Yeah, it's basically a Civil War/Jihad wave and an ilClan wave at the same time.
>>925769744-5k for SuccWars, 6-7k for late SuccWar, 8-10k for Clan Invasion
>>92576984>my fucking wallet.There's nothing to bitch about, printing is an option, you choose to be an open wallet.Just like with a woman who chooses to be with an abusive man, you get no pity and you're bitching and moaning just piss people off.
Is the mwo clan symbol a better faction emblem for the Society? A more science-y dagger star does fit them better then regular clan dagger they have for some reason.
do you only get to field 'mechs only in lance (unit of 4; 4, 8, 12...) or like, 5 or 7 'mechs are fine?
>>92577049>FFS
>>92577049>Specifically, the one mod and/or janny who has decided to make this particular thread their personal crusade.It's either a CGL employee or a tranny who's a massive fan of their's.
>>92577038>you're bitching and moaning just piss people off.Exactly like you are doing.
>>92577047It's not a hard rule. For most pickup games, the rules will be a certain amount of BV and a rules level or era limit, and if there are unit limits, it'll be specific restrictions like no more than 8 units total or no more than 2 of each unit and 1 of each variant (So you can have two Wolverines, but only one of them can be a Wolverine 6M) or you can't have more vehicles than mechs, or only mechs are allowed.
>>92577047You can field as many units as your BV allows
>>92577045I think that would fit them more, with that DNA looking braid and the crystalline look.
>>92577047Unit size is more a fluff thing. You could use 5 mechs as the Clans, 6 with ComStar, 7 with the Society.I wouldn't expect to say be able to get away with 7 mechs if your opponent is fielding 4. But at least in theory the only metric that matters is what you and your opponent decide is fair.
>>92577072No, just you. It's acceptable to tell a bitch whining about their own choices to STFU
>>92575141Marauder is build for backshots
>>92576724Starting point for what? I'm not going to shame you for any newness to battletech, I just want a better idea of where you're at before giving any recommendations
>>92577144>I'm not going to shame you for any newness to battletechI will, though.
>>92577149Ah, a degredation-kink. You'll be weak to my praise-kink. Post your most recent battle report. I'll tell you nice things about your tactical decisions.
>>92577126>steiner scout lance of 4 vs. kurita horde lance of 10
>>92577144collecting? got interested in setting after playing vidya battletech & mechwarrior, and was wondering if i can collect and play basic game, starting with my favorite mechs/lance i used in the vidya
>>92577214Sure. I just bought a pile of mechs I drive in the game either because I prefer the sculpt, I wanted an alternative pose/variant, or because the plastic isn't out yet (champion). Is there a specific era you like best? The games typically only focus on the best-known parts of the setting so there's a lot out there that they don't cover.
>>92575141Classic Ren&Stimpy/Spawn-closeup right there.
>>92577254late 3rd war i guess? heard that's when each 'mechs were more precious and mechwarriors were like feudal knights. not sure about the clans yet. maybe after the vidya later this year.
>>92576360You punch with each arm separately, so it's still only 11/36. Cause there's that 1/36 chance both with hit the head for extra hilarity.
I had the realization that a Light Machine Gun and Rocket Launcher 2 weighs exactly the same as the Grenade Launcher on the Infiltrator Mark I and tried making it in MegaMek, kept with the "waddling toy robot" theme by calling it Jack-in-the-Box. Just imagine the rocket launchers being some boxes welded onto one shoulder.Part I didn't understand was that bringing the tech level up to 3071 made the Prototype Stealth Armor unavailable, and as far as I know the Waddle never got upgraded to even Basic Stealth, so I feel like I'm cheating. But I used the extra tonnage/crit space of Standard Stealth to slap Improved Sensors in there. I think overall it'd be an improvement, if not an amazing one, giving the Infiltrator both a little range and a little punch, and that satisfies my autism.
wait, ilClan is set to last at least for next 100 year?
>>92577296I'd be fine with that. Take the time to go flesh out the Jihad and Dark Age more so they're less awkward? Rumor is protomechs and celestials in the 2025 boxes too
>>92577283Cool. That era is definitely the best-trod so you have easy access to the sculpts you want, either from CGL, IWM, or printers.
>>92576974There is none. TL:DR: if all you want is a Grogtech lance-on-lance pickup brawl with no objectives, go for about 5-6,000 BV. Anything else will cost you.Otherwise you can do this two ways -- the easiest is to have one player pick a force, ballpark its BV, and then let the opponent pick an equivalent one. It's usually best for a random pickup game to roll a mission from the tables in the back of Total Warfare, agree on a BV, and then pick 'Mechs from what you have and tweak the skill levels a bit to compensate. Remember that a BV difference of 10% or less really, genuinely does not matter. Outnumbering does, but not as much as you'd think. Or you can do it the hard way. This is kind of required as a GM unless you just say "fuck it" and let MekHQ do all the heavy lifting. As a rule of thumb, in 3025 about 1k will get you a decent middle of the road Inner Sphere 'Mech (a very good medium or a decent heavy) with a Regular pilot. ~750 per 'Mech will get you a lighter force. ~1250 will get you a heavy force, or a middleweight one with elite pilots. 1500 per 'Mech will get you a top-tier force. Multiply that by the number of 'Mechs you want to field. So about 3k for a lightweight lance-on-lance engagement, 6k for a heavy lance brawl or a demi-company fight, all the way up to 30k for an assault company brawl.Price inflation if you want all the new toys is ~20% for the Invasion or Star League, ~30-40% for the late Civil War and combined-arms Dark Age games, and ~50% for the Jihad and Dark Ages.
https://www.librarything.com/nseries/3376/BattleTech-Novel-Reading-OrderWhat to read next? Is there a single master list of novels?
>>92577293CGL, please post a new Infiltrator Mk I variant. The Sloth and ISS already have their decent updates, but the Infiltrator needs some love.
>>92577391Infiltrator mk II exists. No it doesn't waddle. Yes that's all your getting.
Starting in June I'll be living up to my name again
>>92577418Campaign is set in 3028. The big silver thing in the center is an intact Ferro Fibrous armorworks. The three ruined cities in a triangle around it can be searched for loot.
>>92577432>Ferro Fibrous armorworksWell that's one way to kill all your PC's.
>>92577449Is making FF bad for space-OSHA or something?
>>92577456Only if ROM is your inspector.
>>92577391It's not hard, upgrading the armor saves so much tonnage and lets you trade out the Grenade Launcher for another weapon. And I've though it absolutely adorable ever since I first laid eyes on it. Really a shame that they've left it so lacking.Even as it is, I've played at the idea of using the Grenade Launcher to just give smoke for friendlies (like a Fenrir), so you either have to risk a worse shot or waste a shot on a cheap stealthy BA...but even then, pic related can do exactly the same thing, but with Auto-Rifles and jumping as well, and it's even a little cheaper for more bodies.
>>92577418I know those are some 40k wargame tiles, but they look so fun. I love how the hexes let you snake that river around.
>>92577385wikipedia has the books sorted by publication date. nothing wrong with reading them like that, or just using the same list to track down the books by the authors you like
>>92577481They're loads of fun. I was working with the guy who makes Hextech on making printable modern equivalents, but it keeps getting pushed to the back of his priority list
>>92577472The only "modernized" variant is the Spec Ops version, but it leaves one of the arms completely unused. I'm not even sure if it has a right arm.
so in BT you use one, same miniature for different variations? like, in one game it's wvr-6r and in next game it's wvr-7h?
>>92577534Yup. You can also use a bottlecap with a letter on it, and the rulebook even encourages that. Miniatures are optional, so of course accurate miniatures are optional.
>>92577521Funny thing - in the fluff, the Manipulator is in the right arm, like the art obviously. But on the sheet it's in the left (along with the Grenade Launcher). In Megamek, I can't move it onto the right-arm empty slot, for whatever reason. I even checked the 3058 TRO just in case.
>>92577534As long as it's clearly indicated and you don't try to switch it around mid-game.Here's what you need for a Mech-representation in BT:-Fits in a 1.25" hex-has a front facing marked-is identified unambiguouslyIdeally, you mark the variant on the mini somehow, but as long as you aren't the kind of asshole who tries to switch record sheets mid-game that shouldn't be a problem.
>>92577558The Infiltrator would look extra funny if it only had one arm in the only variant that's made it to the current era
>>92577047Every faction deploys non-standard formations when needed.If your opponent agrees, it can be fun to fill it out with cheaper units (light vees, infantry, BA), but too large a gap in number of units is a problem for the game.
>>92577534It's even wilder than that. In BT you can proxy anything for anything as long as it's clear what you're using. It's polite to at least use something in the same weight class. It's a bit rude to put a Locust on the table and say it's a Zeus, but do the same thing with a Crockett and nobody would bat an eye. I usually put a slip of paper under the base with the model number of whatever I'm proxying to be extra nice. Cardboard standies are also common, and some were included in the first four editions of the game as well as in all of the versions of the current boxed set. The strategic-level rules just straight-up use oldschool square cardboard wargame counters, and Catalyst has those up for free on their website.
>>92576886Amd after that, there's DHS.>>92576956The FedSuns being AC-heavy came after the Clan Invasion. In fact, a lot of introtech Davion variants strip out ACs for energy weapons (e.g. Marauder, Blackjack).
>>92567179Fifty years too late, but good to see someone giving the Filtvelt Coalition some love.
>>92577592wrong. the davion totem medium is the ENFORCERthey infamously use basic blackjacks, riflemen and jaegermechs. putting them into service in places they really shouldn't, like FRONT line, NOT fire support.
>>92577608>Blackjack>RiflemanBoth had energy refits to make them frontliners. Several of them. >Hotter Marauder>Hothammer>HotBeemer>Totem medium is the Enforcer>The Worst Shad>The mothafuckin' Dervish>Pixie refit>Centurion>Valkyrie because fuck you>BlackjackYessir. All them autocannon. No missiles. None at all.
why ballistics even exist/used then?
>>92577666Ballistics run very cool, in Introtech have similar or longer range for the same damage compared to energy weapons, and are very cheap both in Battle Value and in in-universe money.
>>92577666>tripsBallistics is basically trading weight and some efficiency for less heat. That could mean a lot on a desert planet, or to allow yourself to regularly use most or all of your weapons. Energy boats struggle with heat more and need clever heat management.
>>92577666you have to use them with 'solaris rules' rapid firing autocannon. in the actual LORE, the 'real' fights that battlemechs fight in the setting, the humble autocannon is THE best all rounder gun, pumping streams of fire down range. the 'heavy' autocannon, a mer class 10 is sufficiently powerful that mounting just ONE upon a medium mech is considered a suitable 'heavy gun' allowing it to take out other mediums well, with some backup weapons. let alone the 'seige' or 'assault' autocannon class 20.hell, even the humble tactical autocannon, class 5, is considered really good.compare TABLETOP shadowhawk vs 'book' shadowhawk ('real' shadowhawk)on the tabletop a shadowhawk has a crapshoot of one of each weapon in small sizes really terrible.in the 'lore' or 'for real' in the setting, its a all rounder heavy trooper, with a fat autocannon that puts out so much lead it is genuinely scary to even heavy mechs, with fast reloading, missile packs that pump likewise massive fire rates of missiles downrange. and a medium laser you can just turn on and leave on and carve things apart slowly.it is just a case of 'the rules' for the GAME not matching what's 'happening' 'in the setting'
>92577726this is cheap bait
>vtubers are painting battletech models now
>>92570225How is it there are so many fucking welfare monkeys who can't figure out why 1000000% inflation is bad? Damn lol.
>>92577753And we have a mechwarrior video game secondary with next to zero understanding of the setting or the background stories and little to no desire to familiarize himself with any of it calling the shots when it comes to redesigning mechs.Battletech is fucked either way.
First coat for the C3 lance down
>>92577842Backshots>giggidy
>>92577787Cry moar. The video games have always been the part of this IP that actually drives the franchise.
>>92576089Yin and yang dude. They parallel each other, not exactly but enough to notice, especially alongside their similar role and rivalry.
>92577870>92577787>samefagging this hard because no one takes your bait
>>92576615Some GENIUS strapped 2 RAC-5s to it is I think what you mean.(this was one of the most OP mechs in the game back when RACs could use targeting computers for aimed shots)
>>92578040>>92578045easy way to paint up generic colors for getting started w battletech>tan w red details and green canopies>green w blue details and red canopies
>>92578045>those movement modifiers>those positions the mechs are init's really weird that you're trying to trick us into thinking you're playing the game?
Peacemaker missiles can be fired from normal Killer Whale launchers, right?
>>92578173Did you twig to it because of the Awesome as well?
New thread? New thread!>>92578654>>92578654
>>92574356same.In one of his rants i recall he said that he basically just rehearses while doing chores around the house once he picks a subjects, makes a bullet point list, rehearses againand just uses the bullet point list to keep on track when making the video so it kind of is a hybrid of rehearsed lines but ad libbed on a resume that has been prewritten.>>92574340anon beat me too.>>92572576Look, if civilization collapsed and we tried to recreate it akin to roman lines because that is what the guy with the assets that can afford hunts is what he likes and remembers, i would hope we get as close as the Marians did. Same for everyone else. They are very very far removed from the source, and a lot of things might as well be true, since over time who knows what bad cultural larps might be incorporated by the actual culture itself over time if they think that sounds fun.
>>92573790newfag
>>925769746k and 12k are what I see most often. First for earlier eras, second for later. Sometimes 8k, 10k, or 4k, but those are less common. My group did a 16k recently. To not totally spam the table everything I brought was 2/3. It was pretty rough (for the other player)
