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>>37756548
Materialists never understood ether. It's not there is matter and ether, which is what that experiment debunked; matter is condensed ether like ice to water.
And like everything else occult, /sci/ steals the idea later on and renamed it "field".

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>>37756548
Science literally can’t debunk anything it cant produce instrumentation to interact with which means 85% of the mass that makes up the universe is effectively out of the reach of scientists in the form of “dark matter”. If you don’t understand how silly is then your thoughts on aether don’t even really matter. Materialism runs into a brick wall.

>>37756548
electric sun theory

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The only thing we really “know” about the universe is guessed from the radiation that 15% of it gave off millions of years ago.

>>37756872
but they did the math
and after introducing a hundred new imaginary variables
it all made sense to them
so there
>now give us our funding

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>>37756884
Here, you can have 17 billion more dollars to build the world’s most advanced soda straw.

>>37756548
presupposes heliocentrism, the results show earth is motionless. Airy's failure and Sagnac experiment conclusively proved Aether exists.

I am curious. What are your guys thoughts on Ken Wheeler?

>>37756548
Because its all about money.
Why do people with alternate science ideas get so mad about science working?
Why dont they go ahead and build...well, ANYTHING using their models?
They will always say because they dont have any money.
They are mad that other people get more money than them.

>>37756548
I really just thought Aether or ether was just another word for 'spiritual plane' or whatever.

>>37756548
>Aether
they just call it quantum fluctuation or quantum foam
They're retarded and can't fathom that that shit is basically the same thing as aether

>>37757171
Aether as proposed was a medium, which means things that go through it both displace the medium, and meet resistance.
There has not been any observations that show these displacing and resisting properties in space.
You can say spacetime is aether, if you say aether is a medium that has no properties of a medium.

>>37756548
michelson and morley disproved one type of aether theory, a stationary one. neither even believed thats how the aether really behaved, and continued to believe in the aether until their deaths. take that as you will

>>37756548
Science? Debunked aether? When? Kek

>>37757063
he has some pearls hidden away in a lot of word salad and arrogance. helped me understand the new physics quite a bit at first before moving passed him

>>37756548
Uniform rotations induce a phase shift in Michelson interferometers. The effect is second order in , the ratio of the interferometer's speed to the speed of light. It is further suppressed by the ratio of the length of the interferometer's arms to the radius of rotation and depends on the interferometer's orientation in the corotating frame. The magnitude of the phase shift was far beyond the sensitivity in the historical 1887 Michelson–Morley experiment and is still just beyond the sensitivity of turntable rotated optical resonators used in present tests of Lorentz invariance. The effect becomes significantly larger in Earth's rotated kilometer-scale Fabry–Perot enhanced interferometric gravitational-wave detectors, where it appears as a constant bias.

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>>37756548
Ether and Luminous ether are not the same thing OP. Luminous ether is the purposed "medium" for light to travel through and it was largely dis-proven by modern science. The Element of ether is a metaphysical element associated with the gods and cosmic energies.

>>37756548
Because all we do here is cling to spooks because it gives us a sense of control and hope in a futile existence

>>37756560
>ok so it doesnt affect it on this level but-
>repeat 20 times
>ok so it doesnt interact with the material realm at all but its totally real but

>>37757309
That they were clinging to their pet theories as scientists do
Why do no scientists believe in it anymore

>>37757395
this is the answer. midwits don't actually like science, so they skip it, but this is the answer. the generative "aether" has been proven again and again. it's completely mainstream.
>1.1 The Sagnac experiment When Sagnac set the whole interferometer in rotation, he took a photo of the interference pattern and saw the fringe shift that he was looking for. According to Sagnac this fringe shift was a proof of the existence of the luminiferous ether and a rebuttal of the relativistic theories.
now there's a bit more to it but;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36GT2zI8lVA

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>>37756548

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6562132/

>>37758368
it interacts under rotation.
>the bell project has entered the chat

>>37758445
just not in a detectable way or in a verified experiment, only le nazi time machine

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>>37757074
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZRwlYtAMps&t=2024s
Because they get suicided.

>>37756548
>>37756548
when a rig of capacitors carefully tuned and pointed to a particular star picks up a reading of that star by way of electrical sparks going off (here, on Earth) in ways that give us meaningful information about that star, that transfer of information was through 'the ether' as per the ancient and accepted use of the term, which is as distinct from both air and fire but throughout both, much like how we in modern language would use the term 'space' as distinct from air to refer to the 'thing' within which the 'substance' of air exists
'the ether' originated as an abstract notion of that which travels through light like light travels through water and corresponds roughly to the notion of 'energy'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_loyzL9Wi4
Here you go.

>>37759967
And? People have been suicided lots of times. It's never stopped the march of useful scientific knowledge.
Where's the aether tech?

>>37758470
>>37758435
be dumber

>>37760267
>Where's the aether tech?
nuclear weapons

>>37760300
Aether is a cosmological theory in opposition to spacetime and relativity.
Nuclear forces and weapons do not deal with any of that.

>>37760320
yes they do. but they sure as fuck ain't gonna tell you that.
but by all means, explain to us how you go about creating a nuclear explosion.

>>37760323
I dont create nuclear weapons.
The people that do have never once declared any use of aether or the theory of such in their workings.
Have YOU created a nuclear weapon with aether tech?
Has ANYONE said they have done this?

>>37760328
just the guys in Huntsville.
and White Sands.
for real, kys faggot. you're a fucking parrot.

>>37760334
Not one person in any of those instances declared the use of aether in their tech.
You are making wild and unsupported accusations.
And you still have absolutely nothing to show for the practical use of the idea of aether.

>>37760345
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdqArXMsanQ
here's an example of the tech today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F17kbs4pIoI

>>37760046
>energy

>>37756548
It's a way for /x/ to pretend to be smarter than physicists without having any accomplishments of their own.
Same reason everyone on /x/ will tell you their homemade cure for cancer without ever treating a single cancer patient.

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>>37760267
So where is the advancement? Physfags have been in stagnation for the past 80 odd years.
Face it, you /sci/fags have been hoodwinked into dumping entire careers into deadends like string theory and quantum gravity while the REAL world shattering advancements are done underground by the occulted elites and used towards nefarious ends.
But keep on shut and calculating for your next meal ticket, I'm sure your mindless subservience will be rewarded.

>>37756548
My physics III professor had that exact image on his lecture slides lol

>>37756548
Scientist fag here

It's practically early confirmation of something called Optical Phase Conjugation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAy39ErqV34

IMHO, once education becomes more individualized whether that be privatized or not we eventually see a power creep in scientific understanding where phenomena like this are commonly understood. I think it's at that point we will begin to see roll outs of revolutionary technology because the security state will fully be in place to police anyone who misuses it. Honestly us geeks don't obsess over that kind of stuff either, it just seems like the natural path forward.

>>37760509
There is 4chan immunologist who managed to treat last stage of prastste cancer by cocktail of drugs and chemo. He said that his boomer supervisors didn't believe shit it even despite having literal proof in pictures and took his medicine degree away. So yes, we cure cancer by literally casting spells

>>37760769
o7

>>37760790
Shhhhhh
07

>>37760798
o7*
FK Androids

>>37760413
But many birds besides parrots talk, and parrots can fly very well.
You are a fool.
>>37760722
>Physfags have been in stagnation for the past 80 odd years.
So over a hundred years less than aether, which is ALSO physfags.
>deadends like string theory and quantum gravity
Neither of which has provided proven tech like relativity has. You point to - exactly as you say - dead ends, when you are ignoring the very useful and not dead end currently in use.
>REAL world shattering advancements are done underground by the occulted elites and used towards nefarious ends.
Yet we dont see any evidence of any of these advancements, so they arent shattering anything.
And these "nefarious people" are the same ones you say are dead-ended with physics. Make up your mind.
>mindless subservience
To whom? How? Because I am pointing out that there are no GPS systems that say they take the aether into account?
That makes me a servant? Because I challenge your claims of tech?

>>37756548
Aether closest thing is "Void" but Void having effect so Quantum particles appearing in Void pretty much checks with the atributes of the Aether.
Science yet again grabs an Occult concept, does a Re-Branding Marketing campaign and names it "discovery".

That said this is just the more "material" part of Aether, its main point isn't even to be physical/material but linked to Qualia/Conciousness/Spirituality; albeit even at a physical level most of the matter cannot be comprehended by our current scientific models, maybe in 600 years we may explain dark matter and black holes.

>>37758406
Well if a Scientist appears believing in Aether to not be ridicularized and his career ended he better be ready to spend the next decades defending some experiments where he can empirically display Aether, and his main project can be something unrelated.

>>37760328
bad point. regardless of ether, it's kinda dumb to expect people in nuclear research programs to just joyfully telling the whole world all the details and discovered claims.

>one has to explain "scientific people" this level of obvious

>>37760924
had to up your clearance for that one didn't they

>>37760971
Okay, but the conspiracy doesnt make sense to me.
the nefarious are using aether tech, but dont tell anyone - all nefarious people agree on this, even though they apparently kill each other over nuclear tech.
But they have also lied to everyone and deny that aether is a thing, insisting that all the tech is relativity and QM.
But they also need people to be building and learning the tech.
So at one point during your phys doctorate do they reveal it's all been a sham and you have to relearn the last 15 years?

>>37760993
And how would it be groundbreaking to find out it isnt QM or relativity, but aether that has all our space stuff working? I mean, QM came along and insisted that nothing is really there when you arent looking, and that hasnt broken the world.
That seems to agree with a lot of mystical thinking.
But pushing QM is a lie of the nefarious?

>>37760932
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUdhmv1fy6M

>>37760771
>managed to treat last stage of prastste cancer by cocktail of drugs and chemo.
> we cure cancer by literally casting spells
You can't keep your story straight. And it still has a 30% survival rate.

>>37756548
>Why do Hermeticists keep talking about the Aether as though it hasn't been deboonled in the 19th century?
One theory of the aether(to explain light as a wave before electromagnetic theory existed) has been debunked.
It wasn't even the same aether that the Hermeticists believe.
Besides modern day science has it's own versions of the "aether" as well: dark matter and dark energy, which are unknown concepts and unironically close by definition to the hermetic aether(which basically means unknown) than the 19th century debunked aether.

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>>37760924
Why yes, you are allowed /sci/ advancement that do not destabilize the power foundation of the world; that much is allotted to you by your masters. Anything else is discouraged, discredited, defunded, brought out, and suicided.
>Yet we dont see any evidence of any of these advancements, so they arent shattering anything.
Plenty, you simply dismiss them as impossible and video edited as per your indoctrination.
>And these "nefarious people" are the same ones you say are dead-ended with physics. Make up your mind.
Your IQ obviously isn't as high you'd think if you can't understand what I was talking about. I'll explain in detail then.
These "nefarious people" and their brought out galaxy brained /sci/fags already made world shattering advancements such as free energy and anti grav and what not a long time ago. But for the power hungry there isn't much point in been rich if everybody is rich. No power to be gained where no slaves can to be made.
So, they kept these advancements out of the hands of the public (national security concerns of course), and to make sure the rest of you midwit /sci/fags don't eventually figure shit out on your own they set up the academia in such as way that known deadend theories are encouraged on purpose so generations of you /sci/fags will exhaust your brain power. Those few brilliant renegades that didn't go along with the herd and made actual devices are either brought out or suicided.
So how much of a good servant you are? I have no idea.
Only you do.

>>37760993
There is no conspiracy, point raised was just that "but people in nuclear research programs don't claim X or Y" well what did you expect, beyond this level of obvious.

>>37761006
I wouldn't know, could be or not. From ITT, the Aether deniers don't even understand where the target is supposed to be.
The experiment assumes Aether is some type of "subtle matter".
Aether, bluntly put, has its equivalent in Orient, its known as "Void" and its consequences.
(be it material void like suction due to pressure difference or more philosophical types such as political power vacuum, etc.)

So yes, an experiment proving the Void doesn't make matter move, you sure told us the Aether fags.

Ironically some materiality can be detected since the 1920s (Heisenberg) in the Quantum Fluctuation and related theories which I do not fully grasp, but they seem to give relevance even in the material plane to the Void, but despite the irony of the destiny the main point wasn't/isn't that.

>>37761081
>you are allowed /sci/ advancement that do not destabilize the power foundation of the world; that much is allotted to you by your masters. Anything else is discouraged, discredited, defunded, brought out, and suicided.
But that isnt true. The stuff that leads to suiciding is already the power structure of the world, and the things that have massively changed the world were never stopped by suiciding.
>Plenty
So far I've been given nukes, parrots, and clouds.
...
Show me the satellite system that has to take aether into account.
>such as free energy and anti grav and what not a long time ago
Okay, so show me. You say you cant because they hide it. I sday you cant because it isnt there.
These nefarious powers have tried to hide things before.
They always get out.
No matter what, and still it moves.
>>37761086
>Aether, bluntly put, has its equivalent in Orient, its known as "Void" and its consequences.
But that ISNT what is meant by the term in regards to the experiments aetherfags insist are proving, and isnt what is meant by what has been debunked, and isnt aligned with the term in any way except the most distantly moved goalposts.
you want to say this aether is undetectable, fine.
Then it isnt science and it doesnt have tech and it isnt useful.
If it had use, it could be detected.
If you want to deral with psychology and states of awareness, that's fine.
That doesnt create tech.
There is no aether tech.

>>37761124
these are not knew questions. here:
https://ahealedplanet.net/home.htm

>>37761136
Which link in there demonstrates aether tech?

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>>37761124
>The stuff that leads to suiciding is already the power structure of the world, and the things that have massively changed the world were never stopped by suiciding.
With your materialism indoctrinations you have absolutely no idea, no inkling, the kind of world shattering changes that will be brought forward with the knowledge that is kept hidden.
Your idea of "massively changed" is a peanut sized variation to the actual changes that could have, and will, take place.
>These nefarious powers have tried to hide things before.
>They always get out.
And you are right, these things will get out, and more.
We are at the end games now.

>>37761145
all of them

>>37761169
>materialism indoctrinations
Nope. It's just that akasha is spacetime, and aether was a western mistake. And above spacetime, akasha is manas, buddhi, ahankara, and finally Brahman.
But none of that means there is any tech you can produce that takes the western notions of aether into account.
>We are at the end games now.
Two more weeks.
>>37761173
https://ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm
This one does not. It does not mention the term at all. Which links do?

>>37761201
the term isn't there, it's about why you don't hear about it. it's there.

>>37761124
>you want to say this aether is undetectable, fine.
I would prefer it that way to avoid pan-materialists, but things such as
-Quantum Fluctuation
-Vacuum Energy
Among other theories (which I do not fully grasp) do seem to hint there is some effect in material realm at a micro particle level, albeit at best it remains a curiosity on Aether; being provable in material realm or not isn't the point.

>and isnt aligned with the term in any way except the most distantly moved goalposts.

Science (or proto-science) for centuries evolved fine with Aether as considered 100% normal assumption, since Aristotles at least, this splitting hairs over it is a modernity materialism thing.

The materialists are obsessed over the void/emptiness in itself, looked with some distance seems weird behaviour.

>Then it isnt science and it doesnt have tech and it isnt useful.

More or less. Aether comes from times of Ancient Greece and is an add on to the Four Elements of Ancient Athens philosophers, on the East that didn't have Fall of Rome the Aether as Void/Emptiness is more explicit.


>There is no aether tech.
I mentioned a few quantum mechanics cases that I just get in tl;dr form but it's obvious that for theory to work requires a good state of void.

I don't know what tech uses or not, but given the very different definitions of Aether outside its very simple original millenar one anything can be claimed/disclaimed in all the unscientific fashion unless there is a clear definition of what is Aether we'll always be on different pages.

Scientific Method demands to be challenged and questioned, rather than to be blindly believed in, people questioning scientific experiments is a sign of health, becoming blind acolytes of the conclusion of some authority figure in science isn't a good sign.

>If you want to deral with psychology and states of awareness, that's fine.

Yeah sure this would be the closest aproach to what Aether is supposed to be about.

>>37761239
This is the closest I see in there, and every single link suggesting more points in a loop to this.
>one of my very close associates, yes, was shown – in a very remote setting – some of the technologies that exist today on Earth: antigravity, free energy. These technologies exist, you know.
Nothing more given that I can see.
There is no aether tech on that site.
>>37761246
>-Quantum Fluctuation
>-Vacuum Energy
The indications of these are based upon the current working models, which have no place for aether. Even if some new concept is needed to explain currently unexplainable observations - the concept of aether as you offer and as understood in history would not fit that hole.
>Science (or proto-science) for centuries evolved fine with Aether
They did with caloric as well. And with plenty of other ideas that fell away when they no longer worked.
Relativity works - we can use it create things and further our reach and our understanding.
Aether has nothing to offer in this manner.
>quantum mechanics
Does not accept aether.
>this would be the closest aproach to what Aether is supposed to be about.
I HIGHLY doubt OP or the person linking to whoever would agree that aether is purely about your state of mind.

>>37761046
and dark matter is just a spook to make the models work, which in turn will be deboonked
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/03/240315160911.htm

>>37761331
yeah its literally a palceholder

>>37758406
>greatest scientists and mathematicians believe in an aether
>scientists perform an experiment to confirm one of the properties of the aether
>the experiment is successful at disproving a static aether theory
>continue on believing in a more dynamic aether theory
scientists disproved the aether! give up your pet theories!

>>37761360
Why didn't they try anymore experiments to prove themselves correct?

>>37761319
>I HIGHLY doubt OP or the person linking to whoever would agree that aether is purely about your state of mind.

Your state of mind can in turn affect your entire body chemestry, brain waves, among other things.
So your state of consciusness, despite having no material "grab", empirically affects chemicals on a daily basis.

>aether as you offer and as understood in history

Aether is a posh occultist way of saying "Void", "Vacuum", "Emptiness", "Lack of", "That which is does not exist" and has both physical ramifications (like difference in pressure creating a suction effect, atoms pushing each other to fill the vacuum is a recorded scientific thing);
to more philosophical things (political power vacuums, suspend your ideas to see opposite point of view, the subtle that can become concrete (such as psychosomatic effects, we're past the subtle and in concrete phase), etc.

In its most simple raw form without much around it, Aether is basically Void, Vacuum, Emptiness, To Empty (to not mix drinks you have to empty your glass first), etc.

If your body can't survive in the Space (where there is a lack of atmosphere, much higher "void index" than inside atmosphere), then it's old concept of Aether again.

Given it's difficult to discuss "The emptiness" in itself as an existant thing due to its paradoxical nature in the way it expresses itself in our linguistics, probably it will remain neither proven nor disproven.

Emptiness was always difficult to express.

The only good consensus over expressing emptiness was in Mathematics, the number 0 that was so difficult for cultures to accept as making sense, basically transmits the idea of "void" or "emptiness" or "nothingness".

>>37756548
Michelson-Morley proves that if there is aether, it's at rest with respect to the Earth. of course that possibility could not be entertained as it would slaughter too many sacred cows of Science, so we have Einkike's relativity instead, Science be saved.

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>>37761367
you mean like build some kind of massive ring particle accelerator?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNxmYlC2mvc

>>37761398
So why aret you posting the Wikipedia page that states the current accepted ather theory?

>>37761367
Because society isn't always ready to accept certain ideas, as looking at Biography of Nikola Tesla and Galileo.
Einstein Nobel Prize wasn't because of relativity theory either.
Given instead of Aether being an open question there is already a forced conclusion (Aether deniers mostly have no idea what Aether is/was about), there isn't room for discussion.

>>37761380
It absolutely is not a way of saying void or vacuum, space was assumed to have gas and shit in it for millennia

>>37761410
So you don't have anything and this is just "fuck the establishment yo!"

>>37761409
i posted a video of peter higgs explaining it for you. from the grave anon. now please kys so he can explain it to you in better detail.

>>37761426
Ad no ones perfect anon, eve Einstein was wrong about things

>>37761410
>and Galileo
>Galileo
>not accepted
You realize that it wasn't that Galileo's theories weren't accepted, but that the Church asked him to prove his theory which he couldn't. So the Pope, his literal fucking patron, asked him to write a book comparing the contemporary theory and his own theory and in said book called the Pope a retard. Galileo wasn't excommunicated for his theory. He was excommunicated for being a fucking imbecile.

>>37761425
Quite the opposite, for millenia all people involved in Scientific and proto scientific research have assumed existance of Aether as 100% normal.
Only in last 100 years have we been trying to materially prove that emptiness does not exist, via displaying emptiness.

The establishment prizes the number 0, which for the more logical minded gives pragmatic daily application of the aether concept, even if just to help in math.

So following historical continuum the "fuck the establishment yo" is the Modernity denying it, despite the obvious everywhere, but too many current Holy Cows would be questioned, and current Scientific Method doesn't like anymore being questioned as in the good old days.

>>37756548
You have to understand how bizarre Einstein's work is. First of all, he basically took aether theory, stripped away the underlying physical mechanism, and presented the exact same equations. But Einstein's theory is a nihilistic one. Instead of relativistic effects being related to fluid principles, they just are. Even funnier then, after tearing down aether theory, he introduces general relativity where spacetime is not a fluid but a "deformable medium". Not to mention he didn't work out the hard math of any of his theories. Yes he is a hack.

But I need to convey how weird this all was. Consider Newtonian mechanics. We all know it's not exactly accurate, yet we still teach it because it's beautiful and it works for many cases. But for aether theory, not only do we not teach it, but we make sure that everyone, even nonscientists, are taught the history of how aether theory was taken down by Einstein. And it was taken way down. There was basically an inexplicable century of drum-beating in every classroom about how aether theory has been thoroughly debunked and Einstein is the smartest man ever.

This was never about the Michelson-Morley experiment. That just showed an unexpected result. As a scientist, when you get an unexpected result, you trace back the implications of that result to a particular component of your theory, and you tweak the corresponding assumptions of your theory. You don't throw the whole thing out and you certainly don't replace it with a theory that is mathematically identical but with the underlying physical mechanism stripped away.

This was never an organic scientific shift. It was a political push to dethrone 3 european geniuses and replace them with a jewish idol, so that the "smartest man in history" would be a jew, and every classroom in the West would have a picture of a jew on the wall, so that these golems will grow up to know who God's chosen are.

>>37761445
Yes anon and 60-80years ago we didnt know the sun was made of mostly hydrogen and helium, assumptions made by people who had no evidence of these things dont make science.

>>37761437
The irony that these people are usually reading wikipedia deep screen caps while calling others NPCs will always be funny to me.

>>37761445
someone once pointed out that a societies physics system and economic system reflect one another.

>>37761380
Its the chemicals affecting your state of mind. You're confusing cause for effect. I don't spontaneously produce alcohol in my blood because I'm happy. I'm happy because there's alcohol in my blood.

>>37761448
>devolved into mindless anti-semitism
lmao

>>37756872
my autism says this is based

>>37761466
Who, when, Id love an exact quote anon.

>>37756872
Yes anon, and they admit as much that they dont know, instead of stating "I KNOW ITS TRUTH" like 90% of retards here they know they don't know shit and try to fill in the gaps

>>37761448
i agree, but it has nothing to do with him being jewish. it's because it is fundamental to atomic science and they had to prevent jack nobody from gaining the ability to make an atomic bomb. this is why we grew up with "who has the ability to make bombs" every week.

>>37761454
All Scientific developments from 6000 years ago to year 1900s assumed Aether as 100% normal.
The experiment only disproves one type of Aether, not even the whole thing in itself.

So going back in time there's a a hard time putting Galileo, Copernicus, Archimedes, Pytagoras, Aristotles, and all the others as "Dunces" because they assumed Aether existance as 100% normal (unlike you).

>>37761448
Good post, but no need to get too political in the end.

>>37761470
cause and effect is hard for people here if you hadn't guessed

>>37761487
Yes anon, they ASSUMED it was correct, they had no way to actually test these things, and WOW, suddenly when we have the ability to test these things that theory got throw the fuck out the moment we realized "opps theres nothing really there!"

>>37761470
If you use your consciousness to bring out angry memories for half an hour/15 mins, it can be measured in your brain waves and even blood that your biochemestry has changed.

Also why are you trusting chemicals to tell you that your consciousness is ruled by them? Technically that means you will believe whatever the chemical combination tells you to believe.

>>37761487
this is literally an appeal to authority to authority figure that are no long figures of authority but historic figures of the field, the irony of that is not lost to me.

>>37761503
anyone got that image of mickey and Donald talking about brain chemistry, because this sounds just like that

>>37761498
Yes and via assuming it was correct they calibrated all their experiments and research and basically advanced science for thousands of years without a problem

Why is there such a desperate need to tell everyone Aether doesn't exist when there are so much hints/clues of the opposite?

Why does the status quo care so much about Aether? Why do people care so much about something that does not exist?
Do you fail to see the paradox?

>>37761477
pretty sure it's here:
https://youtu.be/fYzF8pLqSzo?t=1149

>>37761503
i like how ur acting like the chemicals have an evil agenda lmao
its sophistry, sure I'm ultimately trusting my senses but whats the point assuming its all lies

>>37761461
I don't know if that's aimed at me, but that's literally what happened. The common myth is that Galileo was excommunicated and imprisoned over heliocentrism, but that's not true. He was given a gag order for heliocentrism because he couldn't prove it (yet). He fucked himself over by comparing the Pope to an idiot in a book that the Pope asked him to write. Fuck, even black science man admits that Galileo deserved it. Anyone with two braincells understands the man didn't just shoot himself in the foot, he just sawed his own leg off at the knee.

>>37761518
These is no desperate need, you are the only one that needs it to be true anon, you and a few regressives that dislike anything mainstream and a desperate need to prove anything it states as theory wrong.

>>37761509
It's an appeal to 6000 years of mankind, but I guess the implications of such might not be understood by all.

>that are no long figures of authority

Archimedes, Copernicus and Galileo no longer figures of authority?
Do you realize Heliocentrism is thanks to Copernicus and Galileo? This is highschool/middleschool stuff.

This is how I know you're either trolling or legit ignorant, no offense intended.

>>37761514
Whatever your chemicals tell you to do or think, go please them.

>>37761528
You're just going off topic now

>>37761538
>reee some people can't accept the truth, just look at what happened to Galileo
>that's not what happened to Galileo
>reee off-topic
Shut up, nerd

>>37761537
>>37761547
My man Im not even sure what point your trying to make here but talking in circles, green texting and making logical facilities at me isnt helping yourself.

>>37761525
yea, you're trolling
>>37761530
In school and everywhere else there is a push to say "aether doesn't exist please don't believe in it" and this is told to people who have no idea what aether is supposed to be.

There is an obvious worry in making sure people don't believe in Aether, which makes the whole thing comedically paradoxical.

>>37761486
>but it has nothing to do with him being jewish
The connection is that the children of Satan seek to hide all truth and all sign of God from the world. Aether theory was a theory about light, which ultimately implies that everything is light. It was a push to understand reality simply. Everything since it was deboonked has been a push to obscure how elegant God's creation is.

>>37761553
>but talking in circles
I'm hammering reality into your thick fucking skull. Claiming that some people wouldn't accept the truth while citing bullshit does not help your case.

>>37761555
>there IS
no anon there was, they moved on, there's an accepted theory, the previous one ist accepted anymore and the current one. You cant easily look up eaher with no issue, no ones hiding anything

>>37761568
Consider you might be doing a shit job if Im acting like this moron. If everyone but people who already agree with you all say you are an idiot and you cant ever convince them you might be a shit teacher

>>37761528
Gallileo was just an example among many, no political implications were the point.

>>37761553
Thanks for conceding you really don't understand the points around Aether. Of course you will get confused talking about a topic you have no idea of.

>>37758368
Oh you mean like quantam physics and "exotic particles" and all that bullshit?

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>>37761558
ok, you're not even crazy, you're fucking railroading.

>>37761471
>anti-semitism
>mindless
wow so you know literally nothing about history.

>>37761576
Anon YOU came here to tell US about it, you're failing to teach anyone you fucking retard

>>37761367
>>37761425
nta but... because they didn't know how. even today we're still trying to figure out how it works. the only thing that has changed is what we refer to it as. the aether was theorized as some kind of electromagnetic-like field that permeates everything and is responsible for the behavior of all matter and its interactions. this became the spacetime fabric as we learned about the mass-energy equivalency and relativistic properties of this field. now it has become the quantum field, now that we have explored the behavior of light at its smallest measurable unit, the photon, and even the basic unit of charge, the electron, that makes up every bond. now we are racing towards a unified field theory, one that unifies the multidimensional geometry of gravitational spacetime with the classical electromagnetic properties we observe at the scale of our perception. nothing has changed, we are still trying to learn about the aether. and in doing so, could lead to technologies such as artificial wormholes, superluminal communications, quantum computers and quantum internet, etc.

>>37761585
Yes anon but our lack of knowledge doesn't make your pet theory any more correct.

maxwell's aether:
https://youtu.be/fYzF8pLqSzo?t=1682

>>37761598
>Now we are racing towards a unified field theory
>How to tell everyone you know fucking nothing about physics or astrology

>>37761592
How am I supposed to teach if I get 1h30 of trolling/people making all the efforts saying it doesn't exist because.. their points fell apart because turns out they were denying something they didn't know what it was.
Plus I have no agenda and not paid to teach either.
I just like to pose a few questions that the scientific method wants people to make, rather than blindly believe and follow.

Any scientific mind in the 1700s-1800s and before until ancient sumeria would consider the possibility of Aether as 100% normal.

>>37761599
its not a pet theory, you are just displaying your ignorance of the subject. if fish were arguing about what they were swimming in, whether they call it water or air doesnt matter. they are still swimming regardless of whether they refer to it correctly or even if they can't conceptualize the water exists at all. you are historically the odd one out with this, you are claiming that you are the culmination of the work of intellectual giants, where you decide you know better than all of them that you know the aether doesn't exist, despite not being able to explain how.

if the signs point to A, it is A until proven otherwise.

>>37761616
>astrology
lol olpinion discarded

>>37761648
oh ur trollin, ok

>>37761598
Pretty much. Seems like out of a book from Michio Kaku, but we just re-branded, re-named and did some Marketing over Aether, in practice what is being searched is the same as millenia ago.
Simply more complex terms are more accurate, but Aether as a concept comes from Ancient Athens or before.

>>37761654
you clearly are suggesting you understand more about physics from astrology

oh right we talked about energy. a regular whose who of damage control

>>37761637
well put

>>37761466
>>37761477
possibly Alvin Toffler, he comes close, albeit not in a single quote.

>>37761555
The progesteorne is making my sperms sniff lkke dog

>>37756883
6,000,000 years ago to be precise?

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>>37756548
The fact you would forego an actual explaination and just lazily post a link leads to be skeptic of your supposed debunk, I think you have something personal against the Hermeticists and you're using this individual and these experiments as a figurehead to enact your personal vendetta. Also, speaking as a Hermeticist the premise of the experiment is flawed in the first place, a state of motion is the result of a cause some attribute the aether to the first cause, if light results from the aether or the zero space then the aether itself cannot have motion for it is the essence of space itself, the aether technically speaking does not have dimension and motion is the result of an effect relative to space. Therefore motion cannot be attributed to an origin point because it is a cause of an effect relative to space if a state of motion is contained within space then it cannot be representative of the macrocosm because it is a simple element of space rather than the grand scheme. Aether doesn't have motion it is zero space.

>>37762218
yes congrats you took the bait like a good retard, still feel smart?

>>37762218
Shit if you want to send me 10000 in funding I would be more than willing to set up a legitimate experiment proving the existence of the aether although I think solely attributing the aether to light and no other aspects of the universe is a rather limited understanding.

>>37762227
What bait was that? I think if anything you're pretending it was bait because you're ashamed of the fact your supposed debunking was half baked. I'm not that mad at least I have an opportunity to educate those who wish to learn.

>>37762236
>hermeticist
>having money
Frankly IM amazed he has internet access

>>37762249
>Vague picture off google
>insulting, inflammatory OP
>OP ever responds again
If you're too retarded to under how this thread is bait im sorry anon.

>>37762255
I'm about to have a monopoly on every major industry so I'll have the funding one way or another I was just asking if you could help a brotha out but I don't know how you expect me to do a scientific experiment without resources or funding.

>>37762266
lmao at least you can make a joke

>>37762271
Who said I was joking? The modern economic system is inherently flawed and if you know the weakness of that flaw you have a monopoly on it's entire capital.

>>37762276
lmao at least you can make a joke

>>37762280
I don't know if you're using reverse psychology to attempt to extract information out of me but based on how you entered this interaction I can tell you that it won't end will for you, your karma is inplicit.

>>37762297
lmao at least you can make a joke

>>37762276
save it for your crypto tweets

>>37762300
It's not a joke your continuation of this interaction is increasing the karmic spin of an unfavorable potential for you but you can keep posting the same response and increase the spin of that unfortunate outcome if you're really that stupid.

>>37762316
lmao at least you can make a joke

>>37762336
What are your personal experiences with irony?

>>37760509
I cured cancer with parsley, walnuts and garlic

>>37762348
garlic is good shit

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>>37756548
mainstream science also tell you to eat the bug, live in the pod and take the clotshot
have you done any of those?

>>37757411
what does that even mean

>>37761398
this is work of AI right? That's not a real photo

>>37762676
no, but you will

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>>37762800
lol no I won't
but I can tell you're obviously vaxxed

>>37762898
>>37762800
I love retarded purity spirals

>>37762898
thanks, i didn't know about picrel.. saved

>>37756560
aether = element 0, or leptonic neutrinos. particle annihilation is a myth, return to 0

>>37761380
>So your state of consciusness, despite having no material "grab", empirically affects chemicals on a daily basis.
Sure.
Where's the aether tech?
The relativity tech doesnt have to evoke appeals to consciousness.
IT just works.
Aether doesnt - it doesnt have tech.
50+ posts as I sleep and not one single example of ANYONE making ANYTHING utilizing this idea of aether.
Not one.

>>37756548
OK guys. I'm not a materialist and am interested in hermetism. So what is aether in the end? I didn't get anything substantial out of this thread.

>>37763115
you are just a mass effect fan

>>37763122
see
>>37761598
>>37761637
>>37761487
After you understand what you are trying to prove (materially prove that emptiness/void does not exist, a ridiculous enterprise but if it makes you happy I can accept) is actually, there can be conversation

But if having belief that Aether doesn't exist is very important to your hapiness, I would feel guilty about disproving it

>>37756548
The æther is the medium for electromagnetic interaction.
That's why to this day, radiomakers and broadcasters still refer to the airwaves as the æther.

>>37764329
Not one single mention in any of those posts of any working aether tech.
I dont care if aether exists or not.
My point is that no one is doing anything with it.
I can point to tangible, real-world effects of devices made with relativity in mind.
You cannot do this with aether.
All you can do is point to concepts of internal mediation and awareness.
That's fine.
but that isnt tech.
There is no aether tech.
You can believe in aether all you want if that makes you happy, but clearly you get defensive about its inability to produce tech.

>>37764440
nta but idk what you’re talking about. i wrote this before >>37761598, it clearly mentions several applications of ‘aether’ technology, we just don’t call it the aether anymore. and, the person you’re replying to did mention that post. so it suggests you either didn’t read it or are in complete denial of the facts

>>37764714
>>37764440
also, this post >>37763122 is just funny. because yes all of your IT does require an aether to function, you just don’t think water is wet

>>37764714
he's just spamming cointel tactics over and over.

>>37761448
Or rather Albert Einsteing was used to cover up the aether, which was the source of free vibrational energy across the entire planet before the previous civilizaiton was destroyed in the late 1800's

>>37756560
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>112x124
>in current year
wtf is wrong with you guys

>>37764714
>several applications of ‘aether’ technology
No, it rightly points out that the understanding moved to spacetime, relativity, and QM, and when the understanding moved away from aether, useful tech was developed.
>>37764733
Not a single person working with these things acknowledges aether nor accounts for it.
It is 100% negligible.
This is NOT true with relativistic effects.

>>37765009
Alright person who surpasses all scientific geniuses until the 1900s,

Explain why
>>37761598
>>37761637
>>37761487 (You)

Are wrong other than saying "those don't acknowledge aether" without explaining why they don't.

Go ahead.

>>37765057
>person who surpasses all scientific geniuses until the 1900s,
Yes. By standing on the shoulders of giants. By accepting what those who have been working very hard on this since the 1900s instead of insisting science screech to a halt on an idea that provides no fruit.
In that way, I can know more about the practical workings than the smartest person of ancient.
>Explain why are wrong.
That's the thing. I'm not saying they are wrong about their theory.
I am pointing out that there is no practical application of their theory.
It's exactly the same as String Theory. Sure sounds nice and people want to accept it, but it's of no use.
You want to tell me everything we know about aeronautics is wrong? Well all the planes are built on wrong ideas, then, and the people with the right idea cant seem to get anything to fly.
So why should I accept the "right idea"?

>>37765009
>when the understanding moved away from aether, useful tech was developed.
if you start calling a cat a dog, it doesn't suddenly change how it looks or behaves. it was progress built upon the shoulders of giants, not a completely new direction. the more you go on the more you are revealing how little you know about these things. its always the midwits that think scientific geniuses support their materialist reductionism despite every major mind having profound theistic tendencies that directly relate to their study and research. James Clerk Maxwell, a very religious man who was trying to uncover the secrets of god, for example, is the mathematician responsible for everything that came from the age of electricity. and its upon his work that einstein credits his revelations and success. Isaac Newton is regularly regarded as the last of the alchemists/magicians, one of the greatest minds to ever live.

you are the one with the substantial claim, not us. it is upon you that the burden of proof is required

>>37756548
>one experiment in 1887
...

>>37765009
>>37765170
and just to go even further, if you knew anything about the subject itself instead of this pseudo-intellectual shtick you're going with, you'd know that our latest understanding of spacetime fabric and quantum field theories supports the aether even more. why, when we burrow down to the most microscopic level of reality or slow the temperature and speed of a system to near absolute zero do we find irregular properties where points in space and time may be connected without a physical exchange of energy? this is impossible under a reductionist materialist point of view. spooky action at a distance einstein called it. but yet, it exists. because of the properties of this field that matter is a function of. any scientist worth their salt would readily agree to the fact that spacetime fabric/the quantum field behaves like a dynamic superfluid. this isnt a mystery. you havent stumbled on something that no one understands, and neither have we. this is just the way the universe works and it has been known for a long time. and remaining ignorant to that fact and praising yourself for it doesn't help anybody.

>>37765170
>if you start calling a cat a dog, it doesn't suddenly change how it looks or behaves.
Okay, but it is behaving like a cat, and all the treatments we use for cats we use on it and they are effective.
This isnt the case when we treat it like a dog, and everyone in here is pointing to cat things and going "those are actually dog things".
The people making the tech say it is relativity.
It acts according to the relativity model.
The only people who say otherwise cannot build any tech of their own.
>you are the one with the substantial claim
GPS requires taking relativity into account or it does not work. Nuclear reactors and our understanding of mass-energy equivalence came from relativity. Quantum computers are a demonstrable thing now.
There is plenty of demonstrable tech taking relativity into account.
My claim is substantiated: there is tech that utilizes the models of relativity and QM to effective degree.

All your paragraphs and paragraphs of excuses does not hide the fact that and you have NOTHING to point to.

>>37765262
i'm sorry, but its clear by your messages you really are not well informed on this subject, and have no real idea about the technicals of your claims or rebuttals. i doubt you are much older than 19 or 20. excellent display of dunning kruger

>>37765283
>blah blah blah
Aether model has never produced tech.
You have spent days trying to say otherwise because you cannot simply produce a bit of tech.
Now run along frustrated in your inability and coping that it's my lack, child.

>>37765295
19 or 20 may have been too old. i'd put my money on 16.

you have no idea how the technology you use works. and do not comprehend the historical foundations of our understanding of electromagnetism and quantum field theory. you are trying to be edgy, "you don't have tech bro", meanwhile you type this on your computer made possible by the mechanics of this field the same way a fish swims in water. you are rejecting a fact of your reality, and claiming to be smarter than every genius who has ever lived. humble yourself and try to actually learn instead of think you know things you do not

>>37761598
>>37761637
>>37765170
>>37765219
my responses speak for themselves. that is all you will get out of me. i wish you best of luck in learning if you have a real interest in these things

>>37765262
>The people making the tech say it is relativity.
nobody is saying that. people don't talk like that. stop with the gaslighting already.

>>37765352
>you have no idea how the technology you use works.
I know the people that make it follow a model, and that it works.
I know the people that insist on another model dont make any products at all.

You see, you keep thinking I'm talking about reality.
I'm talking about the model used to create things.
All models are interpretation, even your aether one, even the Vedic one I follow.
Some models produce results better than others.
Aristotelian model produced a lot of fine products.
Newtonian models did and still does, really.
Realitivity and QM are creating new products as we speak.
Aether model has not produced anything.
And you cannot show anything to the contrary.
>>37765361
https://www.gpsworld.com/inside-the-box-gps-and-relativity/
>GPS must account for both special relativity and general relativity to deliver position at 1-meter level and time at 100-nanosecond level to its users.
Claim status: supported.
Show me anyone making tech in use around the world that says it must take aether into account.
>inb4 orgone crystals

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>>37765382
>you can't even build tech with the aether

>>37765295
the tech is literally a deep understanding of electrical theory. here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TttHkDRuyZw

>>37765399
Prove it.
>I know the people that insist on another model dont make any products at all.
Every piece of useful tech has been built with the model of relativity in mind.
You cannot point to anything built where the builders said "we understand this to work because of the aether model."
You havent been able to this entier thread.
you will continue to not be able to.

>>37765414
>the tech is more words
You cannot show ANYTHING.
Because nothing is built with it.
If you had something, you would be screaming about it.
That you are desperately screaming about everything else only shows the complete lack.

>>37765420
because if you name something different it doesnt make what you're studying something different you moron. a model isn't reality, it is a diagram of a systems structure and interactions. if you look at an old map of the world it isn't completely wrong even if its outdated, its just not as precise of a diagram. you're mistaking the model for the thing itself instead of looking at the actual subject of study.

>>37765425
everything that uses electricity is built with it retard.

but by all means, explain to us, with the standard model, why the proton and electron don't simply combine in the hydrogen atom.

>>37765484
>if you name something different it doesnt make what you're studying something different
It DOES alter your conception of the world and what you think possible.
That is the ENTIRE argument agfainst relativity - it is keeping us back because it isnt proper.
But it STILL creates products.
To someone using relativity, Aristotelian model is plain wrong. But is could still produce products.
Making products is a lot more about your model than about the substance you are working with.
And people working with aether model have not produced ANYTHING.
>>37765517
>everything that uses electricity
Again - not a single computer scientist out there is building chips with an aether model.
They all use the Standard Model.
Every.
Single.
One.
>why the proton and electron don't simply combine in the hydrogen atom
I dont care.
Explain to me why no one working on the aether model can create a qubit or a transistor.

>>37765556
how stupid are you? how have you gone on this long not understanding that relativity and quantum mechanics are not incompatible with an aether theory? absolute midwit arguing with yourself. get an education please

>>37765581
>relativity and quantum mechanics are not incompatible with an aether theory
Cool. Does not change the fact that every bit of tech being made is being made by people that say aether was a dead end, and only relativity and QM are accurate.
And all the people saying aether is still relevant - arent making any tech.
So while the models may be equivalent in terms of explanations - which is the first time anyone has backtracked THAT far in this thread - you still have no way to defend an idea of aether being as useful in terms of tech production.

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>>37765598
>people didn't know what gravity was until newton made a formula for it because TECH

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>>37757309
Now, flat earthers latch onto it as evidence for their psy-op even though It's a valid concept.

>>37765657
that's part of the cointel game. it's called railroading. you stick a bunch of ideas together, some garbage some good, and then you railroad it all through as crazy and you take out the good ideas via association. normal shit, it's been happening for decades. gotta do something with those military prisons.

>>37761598
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du7aCae4zkg

here:
https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1614560114

>>37765072
>You want to tell me everything we know about aeronautics is wrong? Well all the planes are built on wrong ideas, then, and the people with the right idea cant seem to get anything to fly.

Good take on pragmatism, but the OP is about if Aether exists or not.
There isn't a take to disprove it, and all the scientists who worked capitalizing on Aether pushed knowledge foward.
Other anon has said that implications of modern lenses on old concept of Aether can lead to tech advances, let me point him for the third time.
>>37761598
Okay, after 3 times it's either bad faith or trolling if you still miss the mark.

That said you still don't explain what you understand by Aether.
This way you can invent endlessly whatever rethorical babble, but I guess that's what you want.

>>37765657
more conintel crap. You have my thanks though.

so discrediting Aether is important enough to leave related glowies worried. Kinda bizarre but eye opening

>>37756548
https://subtle.energy

>>37765295
>Aether model has never produced tech.
Not even electricity?
How do you think discussing in the 1600s about an invisible force that if well applied it could give light to entire cities in the night would sound like?
Probably a claim to Aether would make people feel way more familiar.

>>37756548
>it hasn't been deboonled in the 19th century
didn't Eisntein claim that his model and the contemporaneous aether model were the same shit, and you ever pick one over the other due to comfort?

>>37757279
>Aether as proposed was a medium
that's a revision. aether was the astral things (planets, stars). the opposite of the earth (which was believed to be too heavy to move)
atoms were revisited many times by philosophies and Dalton use the term for the things he thought were equivalent.
As a matter of fact, Descartes' aether is equivalent to Dark Matter. scientists just disprove newton's (again) theory of aether. Newton is not the facto CEO of Aether, silly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCnter_Nimtz

>>37766553
>Good take on pragmatism, but the OP is about if Aether exists or not.
Pragmatism is the preferred way to tell if things are real.
There is no USE to aether. There is no IMPACT from aether. The people working in these areas do not consider it at all.
Aether does not exist.
And more importantly - aether is useless even if it did.
>>37766878
>aether was the astral things (planets, stars)
>aether is just electricity
>aether is compatible with relativity
>aether disproves relativity
Cant even give a consistent understanding.
It's not wonder there is no tech.

>>37766553
>the OP is about if Aether exists or not.
And a complete tangent, but this is wrong.
>>37756548
>Why do Hermeticists keep talking about the Aether as though it hasn't been deboonled in the 19th century?
This isnt asking if aether exists. It is asking why people keep talking about it.
Your answer may be because it exists, but there are plenty of answers that dont need to get into whether or not it does.

>>37756882
you know the universe is electric and runs like clockwork?

Poor OP made a whole thread just to flex and bully people only to find out he's a retard.

>>37767685
nah hes the real winner, got to watch retards argue over things they clearly have no fucking idea of.