>>474327043
>arrogant devs and drones defending the shameless cash grab
checks out

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NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO STOOOOOOOPPPPPPP!!!!! MELINDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-13LUfagQhY

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>>474328786
wth where's the option for her to move in with me?

>>474329083
I don't want to alarm you but that pose you're standing in and that skirt is mighty suspect MIGHTY SUSPECT

>>474328786
>>474329083
Whatever this is, it's hideous.

>>474330634
>Whatever this is
Anon you bitch you know exactly what that is

> DCSS | Moronic meta | order update

Previously, I ranked the contrarianness of combos by 1-rune games and winrate for the race, background and class. This was too specific and volatile. Picking a different god for a popular race+class would not be considered very contrarian.

So I expanded the table to include sequel statistics for race+class (any god) as well. Contrarian rank now considers the number of 1-rune games and the winrate with the specific god. (This causes volatility for Mummy and Ghoul, both of which have a 1-win 100% winrate, but that merely means someone already did my work for me, so it's fine those two are ranked last.)

https://gitgud.io/koanic/essays/-/blob/c029389f8ac6597bd5790fc17f209c0d3281421f/Dcss-to-dcsf/Combos/Moronic-meta.md#user-content-table

Now BaAr Veh is the first playthrough, and Gargoyle drops to #15, a more reasonable ranking. The whole table looks right except Human, whose rank is inflated due to not accounting for meta Good Gods switching.

WhataburgerPattyMelt won GhFi Usk, and McSplat MuNe Yred.

McSplat's was a stupid win, since Mummy shouldn't stay Yred. McSplat has a 7% winrate.

https://dcss-stats.vercel.app/suggest?race=Ghoul&class=Fighter&god=Uskayaw&version=0.23&filter=Runes_%3E%3D_1

Whataburger is a retired elite player with a 71% winrate and 36 wins, including 4 with Ghoul. He did 15 runes with Usk, which is reasonable, although Kiku might be better. This is the kind of elite minority meta my ranking method exposes.

>>474332601
bro you cannot possibly have this much to say

>>474332601
correction: staying Yred is fine for 3-rune

https://youtu.be/-13LUfagQhY

I'm 100% black

>>474335873
same

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Roguelikes for this zesty feel?

>>474337445
Diablo is literally an Angband clone just not turn based

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Lost my streak on the last one, but this run turned out to be pretty easy, I had 17 SP entering Mordred and no need to spend any of it.

just played around with the kid of a caked up recently divorced mother of two with big ass titties, a dumptruck, and a big of a paunch in her early 20s
kid was adorable and kept calling me dada
sorry sweetie I just wanna fuck your mom
what's a good roguelike for this feel

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Rogue in Frog with a strong race feels very good. Stealth temporarily nuked by artifact boots, but with Tread softly you get very good stealth anyway and it helps A LOT during quests. Managed to finish some quests I've always failed before thanks to shit not waking up.

>>474343612
i'd really like to take another stab at a *band but starting over is painful

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>>474346925

I get what you mean, early game is a snore in certain variants (and also V). But I like Frogcomposband's, you hit some early dungeons, do some quests and as soon as you've found base resists + confusion resist you're good to go

> DCSS | essential combos | BaAr -> BaSk | SpSk -> SpArk

>> Barachi Skald of Vehumet

Ice Elementalist limits Barachi to light armor for Ozocubu's Armor despite his +2 aptitude, lack of mobility, +1 LoS and +0 Stealth.

Skald centers around Song of Slaying killing sprees, which slow Barachi must either do or die. With Veh's MP for kills, BaSk can sustain Infusion, solving Skald's mana shortage. Vehumet's Conjurations substitute for launchers, complementing Spectral Weapon during Song of Slaying.

Hop also synergizes, allowing BaSk to cast Spectral Weapon in a corridor, then hop over the foe to surround him. BaSk thus trains Maces and crosstrains Staves for eventual Staff of Ice. Skald substitutes axe cleave with Song of Slaying serial killing.

>> Spriggan Artificer of Gozag

Spriggan is so fragile there just isn't a way to guarantee survival to Gozag without heavy evocables. Her first priority is to find a sling and stones to commence kiting. Her speed, stealth and SInv allow her to make full use of the Random Effects wands. Gozag sells what she needs; it's just a matter of reaching him.

Spriggan is an obvious choice for Artificer, with +0 Invo vs +3 Evo, and a non-Invo deity. Artificer's drawback is of reliable offense, but Spriggan won't have one anyway.

SpAr had 9 wins and impressive 50% winrate, six of them with Gozag; this combo is known to a few.

>> Conclusion

Recent combo table revisions have been mere flips, not rotations, suggesting it is now nearly correct.

This flip dropped Barachi from contrarian rank 1 to 15, and Spriggan from rank 4 to 9. Minority meta wins again.

Now my first playthrough is Kobold Arcane Marksman of Fedhas, with zero god wins. The meta plays him as Berserker, Gladiator, Hunter and Brigand, ignoring his average magic aptitudes and gourmand for spell hunger cost. Arcane Marksman is a minority meta combo already; it's just the Fedhas synergy that everyone missed.

>>474326832
What the fuck is that OP image

>>474332601
>>474354804
I thought these were AI generated posts but I guess I was wrong actually.

>>474348574
Damn, those are some great items.

>>474355349
Indeed, I got the armour and shield from reading ?acquirement at Angband:98 (Trump tower teleport), also randomly found the +11 speed ring on the floor at Angband:98, Lucky Lucky.

>>474354804

I have close to 300 wins in DCSS and these posts are immensely confusing.

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>>474337445
>Start up Diablo 1 on a whim since I still had it installed after my pre-D4 replay and I figured it'd be a fun riggly shitpost
>Spend all night clicking in a trance
On a vaguely related note since I did have roguelikes on the brain as I was clicking, I wish there were more roguelikes with good sound. The only one I can really think of that I've played is DoomRL, I mean "Good sound" in the sense that it's both satisfying to hear repeatedly and provides some game feedback with positional audio/specific monster barks/etc. Sure as hell isn't important in the grand scheme of things but even in DoomRL I'd say the sound enhanced my enjoyment of the game

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I've been picking up power armour accessories while traveling, and finally found the suit itself. It was in a random grocery store. Specifically, in a tile of open air right next to the grocery store roof. How? Why? Who cares. With the advanced UPS, it uses about three charges of plutonium every second. That means one fuel rod every two minutes and 47 seconds. That's a huge and irresponsible amount of power, and I think I'm gonna try looking for some cybernetics next.
Is there any difference between a power armour interface, and the UPS implant? The power armour can accept power from a regular UPS anyway, so I'm not sure why it has its own dedicated CBM.

>pooper armor
lmao just find an RM13 every other kind of power armor is just a gimmick

>>474361078
I don't think there is a difference but last time I played was years ago, not sure if they changed it.

Why does every place on internet keep shilling 5.56 weapons cause muh plentiful ammo but I barely ever get any 5.56
does CBN get less 5.56 ammo?

>>474365705
Yeah, CDDA dumps 1500+ 5.56 ammo on you in certain places like FEMA camps.

>>474365705
>does CBN get less 5.56 ammo?
There's no 5.56 in CBN at all, in bunkers you'll either find a few meme caseless rounds or slugs for a railgun you'll never find.

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>>474363853
>power armor is just a gimmick

>>474365992
don't listen to this faggot the mountain of 5.56 in fema camps was removed before 0.G.

>>474356038
> I have close to 300 wins in DCSS and these posts are immensely confusing.

Visible problems have lots of competition, so to do the impossible, pick one invisible.

>>474365705
Yes. It's still very common in various military ammo caches, and zombie soldiers can spawn with several kinds of 5.56 rifles that usually come with some ammo, but DDA has significantly more.
Also, most of the reliable places to find it are guarded by gun turrets (and a lot of the guaranteed ammo is inside the gun turrets), so you need a way to kill those. The best way is a obviously a rifle that can outrange them, which is a bit tricky if you're both shooting 5.56 NATO.

>>474366156
my current playthrough is on the february 29, 2024 experimental version and FEMA camps and Police Stations still have the ammo boxes with 1000+ ammo.
camps usually have 5.56, police 9mm

>>474367214
I've only ever found empty ammo cans in FEMA camps.

>>474368185
It's random. Empty ammo cans have a chance to spawn full, and that's several hundreds of ammo.

Quick question: what would you consider THE most mechanically complex RL out there? Endless gimmicks and feature creep.
Remember: complexity doesn't necessarily make it good, sometimes the opposide

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>>474368494
Hmmm, well there's Frogcomposband which is a *band with tons of content, dungeons, races, gods, realms, artifacts, and other stuff, there's Elona which also has a bunch of different mechanics, there's Cataclysm DDA, the poster child for having a bunch of mechanics that are complex but don't do much to enrich the game, there's Dwarf Fortress if you want to take that into account, it's certainly got some of the most complex systems in any roguelikes, atleast I don't think there's any which comes close to DF's wound system in complexity, there's also...

Well, I don't like saying this, but I think SLEX(Slash'EM Extended) might be a good candidate, from what little I know of it there's just so much fucking random garbage in the game that it could be considered outsider art in videogame form.

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>>474365705
i don't know, you tell me
i've also shot about 12k of it

>>474348574
the short bow of (you)
also what's your dps with that shitty rapier

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>>474378513

377, 480 vs demons. I can get it to 460 standard, but I'd give up too much defense

>>474366034
>a few meme caseless rounds
RivTech is soooo much better in CBN

>>474361078
I think the power armor cybernetics are more efficient than powering the armor through your internal UPS CBM

>>474361078
also the lighter sets of power armor are better
>>474366352
please shut the fuck up schizo

> KoAM (sling) | early build

>> Gear

Pick sling:
- Crossbow ammo is scarce.
- Throwing is weak without blowgun, high strength or god gift ammo.

>> Skilling
>>> Dodge vs Sling

fsim vs gnoll with whip:
sling AED
1.7 at SL2
2.5 at SL7
+.8 = +47%

dodge incoming AED
1.85 at SL2.4
1.3 at SL 7.4
-.55

ratio sling:dodge value = .8:.55 = 1.45 ~ 1.5:1 = 3:2

>>> Fighting vs Sling

XL1 stats:
- mHP 12
- fight 1.1
- sling 2
- dodge 2.4
- hex 3

fight +5 = 6.1, mHP = 17 = +5 = +42%
ratio sling:fight = 47%:42% = 1:1

>> Playstyle

- stealthy concentric stalker
- bullet one-shots sleepers
- reset range with Slow, spammed via gourmand

Nemesis = D:2 adder. Can blind-quaff. Berserkitis and Deformed are manageable.

>> Attributes

fsimmed with +0 short sword; results same with sling.

XL4.5 KoAM with 7 Str 15 Int 15 Dex
fsim vs adder: does 1 AED and takes .6
with Corona and Slow, does 1.4 AED
Slow reduces damage 50% = 200% improvement
Slow costs twice the MP but is 4x stronger and lasts 50% longer than Corona.
Conclusion: Usually skip Corona.

Slow vs adder MR:
failure 11%, 54% beat MR, total = 48%
with Int +5, failure 8%, beat MR 58%, total = 53%, +5%
+5% * .3 = -.02 AED received

Dex +5 vs normal adder does 1.1 AED and takes .5 = .2 AED net profit
Dex is 10x better.

Conclusion: Leveling Int is a trap. +5 Int cuts Corona's cost by nearly 1/3; gourmand doesn't care. Level 3 spells can wait until Fedhas.

>> Conclusion

Why most contrarian combo:
- gourmand hex-spam with +0 Hex apt
- level Dex not Int
- pick sling despite +1 Throwing > +0 Slings
- train melee or run out of ammo

Fedhas:
- carnivore cuts ration value 50%
- gourmand spams Sunlight (no piety cost)
- confusion stabs with +4 Stealth
- Wandering Mushrooms immune to Inner Flame
- stand on Oklob with Leda's Liquefaction

>>474395484
That would make sense.
So far the choice has been easy, since I haven't found either one of them.

I like cata for the /k/ loadout autism
its like single player tarkov

>>474405424
>its like single player tarkov
Consider trying out the Sky Islands mod for CDDA (no BN)
It literally is like Tarkov, you have a house in the sky and you can teleport down to random locations on the Earth to do missions, collect loot and reach the randomly placed exit to get back home.

SkyIslands is retard levels of hand holding.
If you want some real fun play Bright Nights with BL9 and all the other cool mods in the kenanmod pack

Baby nights has even more handholding.

>>474358373
Infra Arcana has good ambient audio which corresponds to actions like opening doors and monsters making sound. Works well with the theme.

>>474405424
Normally I hate upgrading from melee to guns but it can be fun if you fight strong enemies like bandits and robots. Though I'm skeptical of bandit aiming that's some bullshit.

page 10 permadeath

page 9 normaldeath

pagedeather malding

https://youtu.be/h88xZk4Mwmw

Is Cortex Command a roguelike?

>>474437314
post a picture of it

>>474437314
No, but it is a pretty fun game

>>474414628
That's a good point. It's not as active as DoomRL of course but it does help the atmosphere. That's one I should play more of, last version I had installed was from 2022 and it looks like the actual latest version was mid 2023

>power armor reworked in DDA
holy shit this MOGS BN's rework, it's actually useful now and not just a gimmick.

I don't have enough mana for all these sustains :(.

>>474449441
What did they do now?

>>474397408
Tested and verified that KoAM (xbow) runs out of ammo if unlucky; mulches about 5 bolts per floor.

845 KoAMs died before a rune, out of 866 played. Ammo shortage contributed to about 3/11 = 27% of early deaths. Only eight won, a .92% winrate. Of those, six worshiped Oka for ammo gifts, missing the Fedhas carnivore synergy.

Winners:
https://dcss-stats.vercel.app/suggest?race=Kobold&class=Hexslinger&version=0.23

Low bolts:
https://dcss-stats.vercel.app/suggest?race=Kobold&class=Hexslinger&version=0.23&filter=Runes_%3C_1_and&filter=Stat_Dex_%3E%3D_16_and&filter=Stat_Int_%3E%3D_16
- D:6 https://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/psyvane/morgue-psyvane-20190710-231632.txt
- D:4 https://underhound.eu/crawl/morgue/Brecoman/morgue-Brecoman-20190613-093336.txt
- D:3 https://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/snoopy/morgue-snoopy-20190512-034614.txt

They die swinging a shortblade to conserve their last few bolts.

It is quite difficult to switch one's primary damage skill while keeping up with the early Dungeon difficulty curve. Troll Hunter can do it thanks to Claws 3; Kobold can't. These splats were unwilling to train Slings, unaware that KoAM requires a missile attack.

The character creation screen's crossbow recommendation is a trap, offering an easy D1 at the risk of a slow logistical death. This might be a reasonable tradeoff under a scoring system that rewards prudent retreat from the Dungeon, such as I've designed.

Otherwise, KoAM should train Slings until fustibalus mindelay or Extended when most foes are rPois, obsoleting blowgun poison needles. Then she switches to crossbow, with ample ammo accumulated. Sling and blowgun will still have situational utility.

Can I install mods mid save?
Also which mods are good in BN?

>>474472789
depends on the mod
most will work fine, some may break
if it spawns new things it will usually work but you need to move to new overmap tiles that hasn't been generated yet
also you will need to edit your savegame manually, open the mods.json file and add the mod's ID that you want to add (found in the mod's modinfo.json file)

I miss having someone who'd miss me.

Any thoughts on Rift Wizard 2 and how it compares to 1? Or I guess how it compares to Path of Achra because it's also the same type of game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrwInzqN-dA

>>474482093
What's the matter anon?

>>474482594
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAtC2X5Hbhg

>>474482729
It's all good. Assuming you're >>474474143 up there you've got people who'd miss you. Even if you think you're just an anonymous shitposter on 4chan there are always people who get speculative and navel gazing about anons that are lost, and odds are you'd get more missing than just that. Might not be the same degree of human connection you'd want to have but it's there all the same

>>474483182
I'm mostly just bummed about recent events, the last thing didn't work out. But yeah no, I do have human beings that care about my well being, I wouldn't worry about that specific too much in cataclysm.

>>474483348
I gotcha. I hope it smooths over soon then bud, though it usually takes longer than it feels like it should. Maybe it's faster in BN

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>>474484027
chalk it out to the vast array of things BN just does better, although I'm starting to get wary of the feature creep.
Although honestly I don't really play the thing anymore, as a whole the game just got boring over time.

>>474484338
I never really got into either of them. Veered too heavily into survival territory for my tastes, same reason I poke at Unreal World and haven't gitten gud. I like hearing stories from them but not enough to play. What got boring about it to you? Fall into the same play patterns too much or something?

>>474416006
Nice dude enjoy your holograms. I like to dig sideways into golgotha so I don't gamble on the chute crab spam.

>>474484728
Just played too long and the entire gameplay as a concept got too stale and samey. It showed initial promise, but it just got to the point I might as well play minecraft at that point honestly, and that's for both forks. URW has different issues, it's an interesting iron age hunter gatherer simulation but it's just too limited in its scope for me to play it long enough to enjoy it. I think at some point all roguelikes eventually reach the point where they stop feeling interesting and you just burn out on the genre because there's only a handful of really interesting ones worth replaying over the years and when they're gone they don't get replaced by anything new.
I think IA was probably the last currently developed game I actually enjoyed playing and getting burned out on.

>>474485437
>I think at some point all roguelikes eventually reach the point where they stop feeling interesting and you just burn out on the genre because there's only a handful of really interesting ones worth replaying over the years and when they're gone they don't get replaced by anything new.
That's probably true, actually. I guess it's a bit of a blessing that my roguelike play is cyclical enough that I dodge that bullet. Never get good enough to routinely win except for simpler ones like JH but I also don't fully burn out. Still, IA came out of the blue so there's always the hope that something else will too

rog

the previous posts don't count as discussion btw
you can't use them

https://youtube.com/shorts/nebhH7_5_4o?si=-zIrTO0Tl0YFDw1M

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Path of Achra is fun but it's really on the low end when it comes to tactical play. It honestly feels more like a fun autobattler like Dominions than a dungeon crawler

rogue

https://youtube.com/shorts/CEgj0e4DWxo?si=a5vMM3HH07TkEEj6

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I want to make a generic fantasy Roguelike.

What can I include to make it stand out from the rest?

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>>474523253
Realistic wrestling mechanic
Pic related

>>474523253
sex

>>474525560
see this is why we stopped teaching beetles pankrash circle fighting

>>474523253
massive breasts

> DCSS v.23 | essential combos | KoAM -> KoFE | HOFE -> HOFi | FoVM -> FoAM

>> Changes

KoAM (sling)'s offense is too weak; skip D:2 Sigmund and she's outgunned by a D:3 orc pack. There's a solution to that: Fire Elementalist. Kobold's flat magical aptitudes are much closer to the maximum (+1) for Fire and Conjurations (excluding Tengu). Count gourmand as a +1 to magical aptitudes, and KoFE makes sense.

The real problem with FE is hitting oneself with Inner Flame. Fedhas' ally immunity and confusion solves that. Plant death costs piety; no better way to defend one's garden than with fireballs, aborigine style.

Identifying the real Fire Elementalist lets me finally fix the obviously-wrong Hill Orc Fire Elementalist, who should be a Fighter.

Having done the math on Arcane Marksman, Formicid AM of Hep now makes sense. AM is about Slow, which provides the escape Fo lacks, allowing her to reset range. Inner Flaming one's own Ancestor is an incredible synergy.

This three background rotation is probably the last one in the table. Only DDNe is questionable.

https://gitgud.io/koanic/essays/-/blob/80cdaee0228e6b49df3d582330110b3f440c4176/Dcss-to-dcsf/Combos/Combo-table.md#user-content-table

>> Contrarian table effects

- HOFE -> HOFi dropped from contrarian rank #8 to #17, naturally.
- FoVM -> FoAM jumped #18 to #2, surprisingly. Corona trap?
- KoAM -> KoFE stayed at #1, shockingly. I thought KoFE was obvious.

https://gitgud.io/koanic/essays/-/blob/80cdaee0228e6b49df3d582330110b3f440c4176/Dcss-to-dcsf/Combos/Moronic-meta.md#user-content-table

I feel better about solving Formicid and Kobold last, since they are the two least-understood races. Out of 130 games, only 6 KoFEs made it to 1 rune, an incredible splat rate. The lone winner exploited gourmand via Sif, missing Fedhas.

https://dcss-stats.vercel.app/suggest?race=Kobold&class=Fire+Elementalist&version=0.23&filter=Runes_%3E%3D_1

>>474525560
>And they run when the sun comes up
>With their lives on the line
>ALIIIIIVE
>For a while
>NO CHOOICE
>Gotta follow the laws of the wild

>>474523253
medieval class system and religious outlook. fantasy is almost always based on a modern view of the world so characters who have a different outlook (less individualistic, fill your role in society well rather than trying to move up, more fatalistic, more afraid of what they dont know, institutions and loyalty are based more on personal relations) than we have today. make the adventurer have a reason (ie disgraced knight, deserting levy in a foreign land, wandering monk living off charity) to wander around, have them do odd jobs and quests for people in the dungeon in order to gain trust if they want to trade etc. also have consequences for if the player acts differently than their class should act depending on who sees it.

>>474536590
>medieval class system and religious outlook.
Solid

>>474500309
It gets harder when you play on higher cycles and/or try to make very specific builds, like the nicher prestige classes or going for the purity feats.

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Could I have ONE hard fight that's not drowned in an avalanche of summons? One?!

>>474543786
Dude, you're playing a *band, summons are the name of the game.

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>>474545819

Just hit CL45 and can now cast Den of thieves, gotta fight fire with... scruffy looking hobbits.

>>474547551
I think summons you cast are scaled to the current dl
Try casting it back in angband 98

>>474523253
Giant medieval women that you realistically wrestle into submission and have sex with their massive breasts. The answer was there if you piece it together

>>474554237
holy shit those under-eye bags

>>474561405
>14 water
>amphibian
Don't forget to stock up on loads of water before leaving.

>>474564243
I can always recoil home and sell some stuff if I get thirsty. Also Pilgrim has Fasting Way, so I thirst slower than an average character (without Amphibious and Fasting Way)

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>>474547551
Don't downplay hobbits, they'll fuck you up

>>474523253
If you want it to stand out it will no longer be generic. Make up your mind.

>>474554237
post a photo of her barefoot

>>474485437
Only DCSS with pre-Ru difficulty setting offers the infinite difficulty and replayability of chess.
>>474536590
One cannot make a generic fantasy roguelike that credibly competes with peak DCSS, but one can give DCSS its missing plot. Medieval religious motivations will obviously be a large part of many combos' backstory, particularly Human Monk of Good Gods, whose conduct restrictions are built in:

Escanor: The Lion's Sin of Pride「AMV」Impossible ᴴᴰ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvt_u4OZyGw

vs Mummy Necromancer of Yred:

Overlord - Hail to the King AMV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoPNDbE6UbY

and even the fates themselves can't decide if it's going to be /rlg/ or /glg/ tonight

>>474600352
giant ladies general?

>>474601050
wasn't the original intention but it actually could work for both at once so /glg/ is sounding better and better

>>474601356
what did you mean by it originally

>>474601481
goonlike general, had never considered the giant ladies angle until you mentioned it but that's serendipity for keeping the thread alive since i haven't got any roguelike characters going to talk about

In CoQ is there a way to remove a skill from an npc? The wiki doesn't include a wish for it but idk if its list is complete.

Where the FUCK did my staff of arcane supremacy go?

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>>474554237

>>474604061
Don't know, never dicked around with the wishes and such. What skill and why out of curiosity?

>>474605075
Did you not take it out of the trash box or something? Not any item destruction so it'd have to be a mistake somewhere

>>474605216
RIP anon, splatted doing what he loved

>>474605613
fault

>>474605613
>What skill and why out of curiosity?
I'm running with a bunch of minions and I broke two of them by swapping and buying them the disarming shot pistol skill. Now they've added a new layer of inventory micromanagement hell, which I should've expected considering that they'd been shooting me and our other allies in the back for the entire playthrough.

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Demigod Summoner uses a spear.

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Phew, that's that sorted. Now TIME FOR SOME ROGUELIKES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3P2xWSS5YA

Is a kite shield of reflection +2 better than a kite shield of protection +2 if you have an amulet of regeneration, or should you use the kite shield of protection with an amulet of reflection?

>>474628247
reflection and regen amulet better

>>474630710
Wrong, +8 AC >>> regeneration

>>474633430
They buffed it a lot, protection on a shield is +3 AC in tru DCSS v.23

>>474630710
Thanks, I was figuring that was probably the case but I haven't got nearly enough DCSS experience to judge if the 5 extra points of shield from the amulet has much value

>>474633430
>>474634232
For what it's worth the shield of reflection would put me at AC40 SH16 and shield of protection would be AC43 SH16 in v.31 so I don't know where anon's getting 8AC from. I guess protection shield would be 3 more AC and replacing regen with reflect amulet would be 5 more shield so 8 points of total defensive shit?

>>474635384

>I guess protection shield would be 3 more AC and replacing regen with reflect amulet would be 5 more shield so 8 points of total defensive shit?

Yep, the other anon's shitty suggestion (regen amu + reflect Shield) has 8 less AC than the other combo.

8 AC is vastly superior to only regeneration effect.

>>474612645
I like this picture.

>>474636048

Correction, 3+5 defensive stats ofc, not 8 AC. Don't play roguelikes or post when tired.

>>474635384
You could fsim it by exporting the character, but in this case I don't think fsim captures the difference well.

With reflection and regen, one can retreat from a pack, and the skirmishers (e.g. centaurs) will kill themselves on your reflection shield while your HP overcomes their damage.

If the pack follows you back to the stair, and you're confident, then swap to the protection shield and stairdance them in heavy assault armor.

>>474628247
Regeneration has saved my ass a bunch of times in the past.

>>474604061
unfortunately for CoQ if you have a very specific question you gotta ask the discord

I just fatfingered myself into a medium gun turret's kill zone, and saw a 5.56 NATO round harmlessly ping off my face. Whoever said heavy power armour wasn't worth it is either lying, or a tryhard who actually watches where he's going.

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3rd in a streak, now I'm on High Elf Fire elementalist. Playing on 0.24 because it's the oldest offered by Berotato

>>474658192
>wearing heavy power armor
>bump into a small crowd of zombies in a lab
>exoskeleton doesn't actually do what an exoskeleton should do, 200 pounds over weight limit
>can't hit them
>ultra rare super powerful space magic battery dies in 2 seconds despite the exoskeleton not doing anything
>get grab locked and die after an hour
wow so strong and powerful

>>474659031
If you're trying to fight multiple zombies in melee while 200 pounds over the weight limit, how exactly does NOT having power armour help you?

>>474658192
Wearing any armor past metal vambraces is for tryhards. All you realistically need is arm block and dodge.

>>474658619
congrats

>>474660483
well for starters if you're not wearing power armor then you won't be 200 pounds over the weight limit to begin with

>>474658619
Gj anon, as a fellow streak enthusiast my advice is "slow and steady wins the race"

Gl next run

>>474661469
thanks

>>474663536
it's going well so far, halfway through lair. Had to back out of a bailey earlier with my measley 40 HP

>>474658619
Nice work man.

>>474671017
Thanks man. It was a fun run, Finesse + Finisher let me walk through extended just slapping everything at 0.2 auts until the insta-kill triggered. Okawaru's abilities last an insane amount of time with high evo

>>474658619
>Babycrawl version
>Babycrawl Race&background
>Babycrawl god
Yawn

>>474543786
>wkll summoners ever stop summoning summoners in summoning summoning summoners the roguelike subgenre???
No.
No, they won't.
Doofus.

Serio
usly, the only *band where you don't get that shit is Sil. And that's barely a *band.

>>474661958
Did you remember to turn the armour on?

>>474676668

Cmon man complaining about this stuff is therapeutic. Luckily Sauron is a lot faster than his summons most of the time, _tele and wait solved but he dropped crap

>>474500309
It's definitely not as tactical as most others, but cycle 1 is basically the tutorial, you can get away with basically anything. On higher cycles you'll need to make focused builds or else you'll get one shot by 300 speed enemies or some shit.

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>3 legendary templars plus their party camping the stairs of bethesda susa:3

>>474692585
Should have joined the Templar.

>>474688836
The proper tactical way to play Achra is to hold RMB down and let your character auto-play and only take over when you have enough knowledge about creatures you need to play manually for

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>he doesn't grow crops

>>474681697
Exoskeletons didn't actually increase carrying capacity in DDA until very very recently. Even then in BN they still run through batteries too fast.

>>474658192
You can survive a 5.56 burst to the chest with fairly light armor, ~25ish
ESAPI plates are already overkill for the purpose of accidentally walking into turrets

ragu licking

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>Record scratch
>Freeze frame

>>474728369
just beat them all up

https://youtube.com/shorts/Uc-_BYFLJvo?si=0duC_9yK3ybT4kTE

https://youtube.com/shorts/t7ByyBu8R44?si=9jZnWPsiG9HfEw4h
cata when ?

>>474732450
I got sent to the abyss in the process but I did

>>474728369
>>474736189
From where? Also, what version?

>>474742596
Shoals 4, v.31

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KoFE is OP. Cleared the D:5 ossuary and killed the boss wraith with Conjure Flame, Random Effects wand and Flame Tongue.

The meta splats KoFE due to counterintuitive skilling -- KoFE should hardly train magic from D1-D5, and raises Dex. Flame damage is supplemented by sling or branded shortblade.

The sole winner only trained magic until XL8, explaining why the meta's performance is so abysmal:

https://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Gerad/morgue-Gerad-20180806-180715.txt

Kobold's magic apts are +0, so she starts way overtrained in magic relative to Dodging. Her starting Flame Tongue damage is fine, as long as she has the Dodging to cast it without dying. Flame Tongue is two-school, like all Fire Elementalist spells.

I trained Throwing this run, which was wrong. KoFE is surprisingly dependent on sling damage to conserve MP for higher-damage Flame Tongue and positional Conjure Flame. Throw Flame is a waste except for steam and sleepers.

>>474408075
sky island honestly sucks dick. in tarkov you're cautious about what gear you'll bring because a player might kill you and you'll lose it all. in sky island you're cautious about what gear you'll bring because the extract might spawn on the other side of a river so you have a complete dead run through no fault of your own. you're going to be doing the exact same unfun shit you do in early game dda except you don't even have the luxury of a zone staying clear because you're going to keep being dropped into different areas over and over, which has the added effect of bloating up your savefile 10x faster than a regular game

>>474753847
I had fun with Sky Island. But yeah most of the fun was in early game.
It's not fun when you don't have time to clear a lab even halfway, or that NPC missions are basically impossible because you might not get the chance to return the completed mission for 10 runs.

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>>474750434
> KOFe | skill ratios | fsim

> Summary

KoFE should train Dodging, Conjurations, Fire and Sling to equal marginal cost.

Since Dodging is the highest early skill aptitude at +2, it starts at lower marginal cost and gets most of the early training, allowing KoFE to Flame Tongue tank.

- Fighting and Short Blades are deferred and depend on weapon.
- Stealth is secondary (1:2) until Fedhas confusion stabs.
- Spellcasting is for spell levels only.
- Evocations is secondary since -1 apt for elemental staves
- Raise Dex

> XL1 stats

- mHP 10
- mMP 3
- Dodge 2.4
- Conj 1
- Fire 3
- Stealth 2.6

> Dodging primary

fsim vs adder: 1 AED taken
+5 Dodge = 7.4 SL = .7 AED = -30% ~ +43%

> School ratio

Flame Tongue vs plant
| Shot | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | avg |
|--------+----+----+----+----+-------|
| Conj 1 | 15 | 27 | 29 | 15 | 21.5 |
| Conj 6 | 18 | 13 | 14 | 16 | 15.25 |
#+TBLFM: $6=vmean($2..$5)

+5SL = -6.25 average shots = - 29%
damage increase ~ 41%

Dodge:Schools = 1:1

> Sling

.8 AED vs adder with stones
+5 Slings: 1.1 = +37%
slightly less than dodging and magic, but not ammo-constrained.

> Fighting

+5 Fight = 16 mHP = +60%
Percentage drops at higher XLs though:
XL2 mHP = 15
+5 Fight = 21 mHP = +40%

without viable melee, Fighting loses most of its value to kiting.
wait for a weapon to train it.

How much ammo is there on aircraft carriers in BN?
Just raided one in DDA and sorted all the loot out of curiosity.

Random tidbits:
A total of -1800 kg of ammo (mass overflowed and went negative at some point)
Over a quarter million of 5.56x45 NATO M855
Tens thousands of .308 and 7.62x51
Two thousand .50 BMG
So much food it took 3 tiles of ground space
Four hundred liters of cooking oil
Almost three metric tons of coffee powder
Exactly one intact bottle of alcohol
Over fourty tiles full of emptied corpses
One undamaged AH-64 with enough JP8 to reach the closest military helicopter depot and refuel

All in all a cool dungeon. Gotta try starting there sometime. The amount of enemies is ludicrous but at least you have infinite ammo, food and meds once you reach certain rooms on the ship.

>>474765525
>two thousand BMG
that's almost enough to run an M2 lol

I'm 100% black

>>474769465
M2 turrets can shoot semi-auto, so one doesn't need much ammo at all. 20 belts are enough to wipe out a few cities of zeds. At this point only the minigun with its 50-100 round bursts could ever run out of ammo. Oh, there were also a couple belts worth of grenades for the Mk19. And lots of ATGMs that you can't even use.

Other supplies worth mentioning include enough metalworking stuff to build pretty much anything from scratch or keep a deathmobile repaired for the next 100 years. Lots of engines too.

Notable articles it lacked:
Tailoring supplies (there's enough clean clothes to extract materials from, but getting thread is time-consuming)
Alcohol for ethanol burner CBM (but at least there's plenty of plutonium batteries)

>>474712206
How long does it take for crops to grow, entie seasons?

>>474770668
>Mk19 grenade belts
I've never actually used the Mk19, is it as suicidal as you'd think?

>>474774147
Suicidal? Why? It's just a 40mm grenade launcher like any other. M79, Milkor MGL, various underbarrel launchers, etc.
It's just total overkill and nigh-impossible to keep fed.

>>474774486
last time I played you could get randomly oneshot by an explosion anywhere on screen due to shrapnel teleporting into your brain

>>474774567
Nah bro that's never happened, but hand grenades have a serious blast radius.

>>474774681
>that's never happened
no

>>474774567
>shrapnel
There's no artillery in Cataclysm

>>474776557
Or there'd be no zombies.

Worst genre

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The ratling rebel in the arena is either quite difficult or impossible to pacify once so easily angered, but if there's a ratling rebel mercenary in the borderland settlement he can be hired and will act as a replacement pamphlet dispenser, even outside of the arena. Hiring him is even a lawful act for some reason.

The book of Creature Dominion in Angband:
>Trance and Mass-sleep
Two spells for dealing with shitters, I never use them.
>Become Pukel-man, Eagle's Flight, and Bear Form
I never use transformation spells
This book SUCKS I hate this stupid class and these awful useless spells.

>>474770908
Sow in the spring and reap in the fall. Except turnips which grow quick enough that you can fit two crops in a single year if you're quick about it.

god damn I love bread

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4th in the streak. Classic high elf playthrough, fret till firestorm is up, breeze through midgame, fret through a ziggurat, breeze through extended

>>474674931
guilty on all counts

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EWLnHwaZNPA

>>474810074
that's actually kind of wholesome but he's lucky he didn't get shot or handcuffed

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nGm0MYkHpaE

sometimes I wonder if those people have no fear of death or just don't think they'll ever die, either way that's a pretty high risk life stance and I wouldn't want to be friends or date any of them

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cRK3d2eT0_s

Evolution is bullshit, how that is even possible to occur

the new meshi intro is such bullshit

How do you carry more shits in Cata?
just outfit and a gun+few mags already put me at the weight limit of 40kg

marcille's fat ears

>>474816242
always take strong back trait at start
have more strength

menshifurtranny mad

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>me and the giant chick I pulled by being autistic

man, kabru is so fucking hateable

Kabru is so fuckable

quit being a fucking woman
he's a duplicitous scumbag

>>474822463
hahah yeah I want to ruffle his hair

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>>474825020
what compels you to gayness, booruman

>>474807673
Great work anon, keep it up.

>>474790598
>Hiring him is even a lawful act for some reason.
Employment feels like something that would be lawful.

There should be a 'prior abortion' trait that lets you ignore the debuff from killing zombie children

that trait already exists, its called `Psychopath`

>>474790598
>CH 58
Wew, the most suave dwarf in all the land. Don't think I've ever cracked 50 on a stat but I also don't use Garth as much as I probably should

>>474822206
Buddy of mine says that too and I'm not sure if he's memeing or if he actually means it and I can't be bothered to find out. Sounded like the show might not be doing his internal monologue though which may explain show watchers being all over him

>>474838917
yeah his inner monologue is not included

>>474839579
Feels like a weird decision since it sounded like the show had been sticking to the comic pretty close otherwise. Wonder if there'll be some reveal down the line or if that change is just to make him more appealing to people. Hope not since he'd a proud tabletop archetype

>>474692585
only mutie scum have this problem
this is a blessing for chadkin

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playin DCSS for first time in a solid 3 or so years. Really haven't played extensively since .18 or so. quite curious to see what all has changed. looks like centaurs and their replacement got changed. I see ogres are now Oni which i guess is cool. i remember they added AOO which looked stupid. also that they seemed to still have a hate boner for pure caster builds, making a bunch of spells touch only (agony for example) and generally overhauling necromancy and other schools pretty drastically.

Also somewhat unrelated but RIP /dfg/, even adventure mode rerelease didn't save it. I think its actually dead for good. Steam release killed it i guess.

Also how is C:DDA these days? Is caves of QUD still a thing?

Any roguelikes that can be played with a MIDI controller keyboard?

depends on the keybindings

>>474816242
Go get a shopping cart or better yet, build a foldable lootcart.
Once you get to artifact hunting, keep an eye out for ones that passively increase or double carry weight. They seem fairly common now, I've gotten 3 in less than 80 artifacts.

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>>474530641
KEK

> KoFE Flame Tongue vs Throw Flame

how many fire magic shots to kill a plant?
Spellc 2.1, Conj 3.2, Fire 3.2, Int 16

| shot | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | avg |
|--------------+----+----+----+----+-----|
| Flame Tongue | 27 | 32 | 21 | 24 | 26 |
| Throw Flame | 60 | 54 | 70 | 72 | 64 |
#+TBLFM: $6=vmean($2..$5)

ratio of Flame Tongue shots to Throw Flame: 1:2.46
Throw Flame does 40.6% of the damage of Flame Tongue.

Conclusion:
Throw Flame is powerful for generating steam.
Otherwise, use a sling for range, to conserve MP for Flame Tongue and Conjure Flame.

>>474865845
Correction, I measured by MP not by shots.

> Classic high elf playthrough, fret till firestorm is up, breeze through midgame, fret through a ziggurat, breeze through extended

The fact that Flame Tongue is over 2x stronger than Throw Flame makes clear why Deep Elf is a poor Fire Elementalist. Deep Elf has -2 Slings. Thus DEFE lacks a viable early missile attack to conserve MP. Nor does DEFE have a way to separate from Inner Flamed foes.

Essential DeCj gets Dazzling Spray as a defensive foundation that prompts Sif to gift Hex spellbooks.

Kevin is removing labs, bros. It's finally over.

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>Try out aircraft carrier start in BN
>I'm the cook
>Nothing but soldier zombies and ferals as far as the eye can see
>With the occasional bio operator thrown in for good measure
>Only gun I have is an M17 which does nothing against their armor

This is slapping my nuts way harder than a lab start. But I like it.

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>woop WOOP woop WO-"Citizen, HAL-woop WOOP woo-"Please stay in plac-woop WOO-"Citiz-woop WOOP woop WOOP
Can't a survigga read in peace? How could humanity lose when eyebots can spawn infinite bots out of thin air? Eyebots should be tackled and hackfucked into being your own personal securitron army spawner. Bandits and survivors will tell tales of a SWAT survivor who shouts "I AM THE LAW" as bots come flooding in from every direction.

>>474865845
>>474873624
Interdasting
>>474848465
Fucking hell, was having a grand old time, first run was a NgVm (or i guess alchemist) because that was always my fav. Next i tried out the new shapeshifting overhaul, then a kobold ranged hexslinged, really nice class and works way better now.

Finally i did an elf summoner and that class also feels so much nicer now. No more exp penalties for letting summons do the work, imp now has an actual weapon (altho i miss the variety with shadow/ice imps), guardian golem is a lot more interesting, and so is the canine being turned into a spirit wolf which you can heal/buff with additional casts. Sadly died to a fucking OOD swamp worm duo.

I have to say, i am very pleased with the way the game plays now. Feels way more involved and less brainless alt tab. Good work.

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Deep Elf Conjuress

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>>474882654

>I have to say, i am very pleased with the way the game plays now. Feels way more involved and less brainless alt tab. Good work

Yeah current crawl is fantastic. Every potion/wand/scroll makes a major difference and the reworked mechanics that focus on positioning (spells, attscks of opportunity) are satisfying to master.

>>474838917
>CH 58
It's buffed hard, Garth has a bit to do with it, but he only brought it up to 21 or so. Mostly it's from wearing a helm of leadership, armor of leadership, fencing gloves of fidelity and a staff of charisma, as well as zapping two staves of charisma on my way up from Dwarftown, then again when they recharged before the first boost had completely worn off which got it to 64 when I entered BOS. I'm not sure how much difference it makes to the shop prices if they restock when my charisma is through the roof but I figure it can't hurt, and I was doing haggling too, which I'd imagine is helped by a high charisma score. At this point since I'm in the habit of getting my charisma into the 40s or 50s every time I enter a fresh level which means most of the new shopkeepers start out complaining about their children if I successfully haggle.

>>474877221
It gets very easy once you find a gun that can kill the soldiers, but the early start is pretty harrowing.

> DCSS v.23 | essential combos revision | KoFE -> KoCj | HOFi -> HOFE | DECj -> DEWz | OgWz -> OgHu

KoFE is weak vs D2-3 adders, who counter her low AC and short-range Flame Tongue. Missing is fatal.

Optimal early Fire Elementalist wears medium armor and only casts Flame Tongue; Hill Orc does this best. FE lets HO spend MP on something besides Smite, which costs piety. +1 Fire substitutes for -1 missile apts.

Kobold background alternatives:
- Conjurer - similar to Deep Elf. Lower apts but more stalking time.
- +Ice Elementalist+ - stationary defense, summons and slowing reptiles suits Fedhas' early Lair. DrIE better.
- +Assassin+ - Reject, can't wear armor well like Halfling. Wastes magic potential.
- +Berserker+ - Throwing primary, skips casting and Fedhas. Reject, HaHu does it better.

Conjurer has Magic Dart and Searing Ray, both of which counter Adders. Kobold's inaccurate sling complements Magic Dart. Long-range kiting suits Kobold's gourmand stealth, scouting sleepers to awaken at max range.

Conjurer is essentially Kobold because it's low damage and thus inefficient in hunger:damage ratio, which gourmand complements.

KoCj frees DECj; is there a better background for Deep Elf than Conjurer? Yes, DE needs to cast a lot, and Spellcasting enables that, via +mMP and reduced spell hunger.

DEWz frees Ogre; is there a better background for him? Yes, starting with Str 10 Int 19 Dex 7 is wildly inappropriate for a melee-focused Ogre. Wizard is a secondary background he can practice adequately via found spellbooks. Hunter provides the Throwing foundation for his missile attack, and Okawaru complements.

With all background mysteries fsimmed, it's time for the final table check. Can any combos be strengthened by violating balance?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16hz39FBlFx_DvvwRnbE5ewbOXRAJB-3Od3MVlUXP25c/

Nope... Balance thesis confirmed!

>>474883131
aren't deep elves 100% black

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>>474898509
That is an interesting point. Real mammalian Underdark dwellers tend to become fair to albino. High Elves are a genetic memory of the "half elves", an elder race of Avian Watchers who interbred with Humans. IIRC they look White with canted eyes and perhaps different ears. They are related to northern European ethnicities.

The mythical Drow are black and famously cruel. They are a combination of genetic memories:
- the Ant People, who adopted the Gray phenotype after being defeated and exiled to the Moon, yet retain their chitinous black fingernails. Large black nictating lenses are a space adaptation. They are indifferent to individual suffering.
- sub-Saharan negroids and their north-African hybrids, savage races with low empathy

>>474899817
shut the fuck up schizo

>>474899854
one may of course investigate for oneself
https://scenicsasquatch.com/2022/04/14/the-essential-role-of-prime-directive-in-understanding-the-alien-phenomenon/

>>474877221
>Nothing but soldier zombies and ferals
lel baby nights doesnt have the sailor zombie types?
also there's a shit ton of shockers in there

> Barachi Skald of Vehumet | Song of Slaying

Barachi has +0 Stealth, takes 1.2 turns per step and has +1 visual radius, substantially increasing visible area. He thus tends to get overrun.

These traits turn complement Song of Slaying, when the problem is often a disappointing shortage of foes. That's assuming MP doesn't run out, which Vehumet's MP for kills prevents.

Mixing melee, missiles and Conjurations ensures mana economy, while Regen converts MP to HP without resting.

Now behold the beautiful music of my people:

11 Minutes Of Screaming Frogs Compliation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjCVsOBu6vc

This is yet another combo the meta didn't figure out. In v.23 seven BaSk worshiped Veh; only one got a rune and a win. The combo has a .61% no-rune winrate, and 32% 1-rune. The sword-and-bored meta overwhelmingly prefers Fighter, for its ease of o-tabbing on Normal difficulty. Such players deserve whatever slop Team Tranny shovels out.

Don't care, tranny
Stop posting kys get pregnant die

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>tfw no necromonger depiction in roguelikes

>>474908823
Mummy Necromancer of Yred enslaves souls.

>>474826139
thanks anon

>>474877221
It is a lot more fun start than anything in cringe days ahead

>>474902962
barachi's slow movement + increased LOS is a perfect setup for massive Chei slouch bombs

>>474910919
Chei synergy: Naga vs Barachi
- Speed: 1.4 vs 1.2. Chei rewards slowness.
- Stealth: +5 vs 0. Step from Time is a stealth check. Stealth prevents overrun while extremely slow.
- Invo: +1 vs 0. Chei is an Invo god.
- Poison: +3 vs +1. Temporal Distortion makes DoT immediate.
- Noise: Naga has mostly-quiet poison; Barachi has loud Conjurations.

Chei is balanced for Naga, so Barachi will always be substantially worse at it.

Is it me or level drops happen more often since 0.30/0.31 version of DCSS ? It's really killing some of my runs.

>>474911682
all balanced by barachi having massively better core aptitudes than naga

Aptitude__Naga__Barachi

Fighting__+0_____+2
Armour___-2_____+2
Dodging__-2_____+1

Then on top of that barachi has Hop, overpowered for an early character.

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defeating the evil wizard with my cat army

>>474912737
None of which is Chei-specific, goldfish.

>>474914235
Your synergy rambling is pointless. Barachi of Chei is more than viable, and more importantly slouch + increased LOS is fun

Favorite roguelike video ?

>>474913703
2cat!! lmao!

>>474914605
Nobody said it wasn't viable or fun, pointless goldfish.

>>474848465
>Also how is C:DDA these days?
Extremely shit in my opinion, but take a look for yourself. I would recommend playing Bright Nights instead, there's a link to it in the OP.
>Is caves of QUD still a thing?
Yeah.

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>Killed by a wound on level 88 of Asgard

Good run, rogue demigod of hades was very strong. I died to due teleport landing me smack in the middle of a big hall with like 40x unmakers that blasted me. Three times in a row. Play a *band long enough and RNG will get you, but maybe the rogue spell "major getaway" was better than teleportation, perhaps it lands you further away from the casting point?

Got a shitton of good gear around CL32 - used the same rapier until my untimely demist at CL49. The blows per round system is weird, and weapons with higher score than the rapier performed worse since the rapier got me 8 blows/round which all benefitted from sources of +damage (in my case, ring, amulet, cloak, gloves, boots). My only regret is not getting a crack at J, only ever fought him once (and won).

Player tools are retarded in frogcomposband btw. Not just the insane mobility via ?phase door or ?teleporation, but also the myriad staves (especially _healing) and the silly on-demand effects like destruction, genocide and banishment. not to mention stone to mud and teleport other. compared to other roguelikes the player is turbo powerful in frog.

>>474912203
>level drops
Still not sure why these are still in the game. Im gonna make a fork with no changes besides removing drop traps. There is no counterplay and it doesn't really lead to interesting choices so much as it leads to a RNG where either nothing happens or you fucking die because you land directly on top of some powerful enemy with no way to escape. They might as well streamline it and just give you a .001% chance of dying from a heart attack at any given moment

>>474919754
What's a good roguelike, *band or otherwise, for someone who likes DCSS and Sil?

Sup' boys. Haven't played RL's for two years. Anything kewl to play nowadays?
How's DCSS, IA, UnReal World and ToME?

>>474920979
Have you tried Jupiter Hell?

>>474920314

As someone pointed out in the thread earlier, Sil is barely a *band. So if you want the tactic0l aspect of DCSS/Sil, bands are not really what you're looking for I'd say. Maybe "tactical angband"? Infra Arcana is great if you want to have to McGyver your way to victory with tactical and strategical use of consumables, but it's way more punishing than either DCSS or Sil.

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Been playing around with a dark/fire build, managed to win one. I ended up skipping two levels with portal keys right near the end since they had some tricky enemies with both fire and dark immunities. Mordred was also a bit tricky until he gave me a nice big open level that I could spawn lots of ghosts in.

>>474922083
I'll give Infra Arcana a try, thanks

Shit, Tittycrusher streak ended on #4. Zot 5 tele trap into the lungs, 2 bad tele scrolls later it was all over for my Troll Fighter of Chei

>>474929338
RIP broham, good run

>>474920314
If DCSS is focused more on streamlined combat and RPG stats than dungeon crawling itself, tome4 is the logical extreme of it, it's a very love it or hate it game. There are 0 consumables, no identification minigame, no enemies that need to be hard countered with a specific mechanic, and a stealth system doesn't exist outside the 2 classes that have a stealth skill. It's also pretty much balanced as far as roguelikes go, class selection isn't a glorified difficulty select
as far as true *bands go gensouband is easy to get into because powerful races or named 2hus start with immunity to most statuses and lategame element resists that are hard to get on equipment, can cast more spells or start with their signature weapon

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>DeSu
>Only cleared up to Lair:2 and D:9
>decide to find orcish mines before continuing
>backtrack out, head down and find Orc on floor D:11
>instead of going back up i go down to D:12
>there's a gauntlet
>want to see what's in it, so i go through the portal
>im way underlevel for any of them, not worth the risk
>try to go back out
>it was the fucking portal to the top gauntlet, not the exit
>abominations immediately swarming me
>somehow manage to survive and clear 1st section
>the loot is so good
>still have to clear the next section, and the minotaur at the exit
Bros... think im gonna just stop here for today. Im scared!!!

>>474929338
Dang. Losing to RNG tele or blink always feels the absolute worst. At that point it basically is just a dice roll if you make it out. Had so many close fucking calls with like 1HP left. Sadly in Zot almost anywhere you tp is gonna be bad

>>474935243
It's funny how Orbs of Fire can start to feel like chumps until there's 3 of them at range stacking bad mutations on you

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this is why I play chei

Troll of Jiyva can run Abyss to find -Tele artifacts for a safer Zot experience.

Does Mind over matter work with Bright night?

>>474943050
Not unless someone on the Black Niggers team has finally gotten around to porting effect_on_condition.

>>474919754
what demigod talents did you get? there's one for lowered tele cost
but at this dl if you're low hp you probably should've quaffed healing first or read teleport level, but greed gets all of us
iirc blows per round are capped at 4.5 for a beginner
so if you equip a weapon you have no proficiency with it might show lower dps
player tools are very strong in frog but as you can tell, devices are not failproof. not to mention the monster power scaling, especially late game uniques.

>>474947094
lol wut
are you seriously saying BN doesn't support EOCs

>>474326832
>install Rift Wizard
>pass 10 levels
>press key
>wait 10 seconds for shit to explode on screen
>press key
>wait 10 seconds for shit to explode on screen
>uninstall Rift Wizard

>>474328786
there's bikini girls now in Tome4? is this a DLC?

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>>474950419

I got the same ones I won with on a hermes warrior; fleet of foot and demonic grasp. Movespeed always good and cba farming 50 *healing* for serpent, wanna use staves.

Oh shit did not know that about proficiency, thanks! So much of frog's mechanics are a mystery to me. Btw the biggest challenge in frog is breaking into those XL vaults and not having to _destruction all the loot. Intense stuff somrtimes when you get greedy and want to stay on the level, heh...

>the dungeon is filled with a malevolent force and a teleport trap appears
>you are yanked towards nearby enemies
>teleports me into the dead center of the ending vault of Orc:2 surrounded in every square by high level orc warriors and spellcasters

Why is this in the game? Doesn't it entirely spit in the face of the philosophy? There is absolutely no counterplay, or anything you can do to avoid it. It just happens, and if you are unlucky you immediatly die the next turn. If it weren't for the fact that I had a teleport scroll and 4 health potions, it would've been an instant death.

Hell, if the teleport placed me still in the same room again I would have died, and that happens all the time. If my rolls were unlucky i also would have died with 0 chance to counter.

I really struggle to understand how they keep something this offensive in the game. its almost insulting, imagine you put 4 hours into a character and then the game says "oops you tripped and died. Game over". This is basically equivalent.

>>474953215

After lair malevolence is handled by using consumables, usually. The only truly bullshit ones are early D shafts or sometimes random tele in zot when you're low on ?blink

Just let go of keyboard and think a bit next time it happens (this sounds condescending but usually you have outs)

Does anybody have a download for the final version of Tales of Middle Earth? The links on the official site don't work which isn't surprising because the final one was 20 years ago.

>>474951274
:^)

>>474953669
>Tales of Middle Earth
you mean tome2? there's the source code, but have to compile

https://github.com/tome2/tome2
https://github.com/tome2/tome2#compiling-on-windows-using-mingw

there's also ToME-SX (short for "Sexy Edition") with Windows binaries which i haven't tried, but seems to be made by a tranny so be careful:
https://github.com/AmyBSOD/ToME-SX

>>474943050
>>474947094
>>474951274
I'm rewriting it for Bright Nights LUA

>>474953669
>>474954779
seems to be archived too the original website:
https://web.archive.org/web/20100327140755/http://www.t-o-m-e.net/download.php

it has binaries for win and mac

>>474954953
also a guide to play
https://web.archive.org/web/20080317101614/wiki.t-o-m-e.net/Spoilers/Lord_Dimwit%27s_Advanced_Strategy_Guide

>>474955104
there's also TomeNET which was an online version of tome2, but no idea if anybody still plays

https://tomenet.eu/

>>474954794
Mind over Matter or the effect_on_condition code?

>>474953215
>There is absolutely no counterplay, or anything you can do to avoid it. It just happens
Say it with me:
INTERESTING
TACTICAL
SITUATIONS

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What is the best way to put out the fire?

>>474957453
pee blast

>>474957453
try yelling "free palestine"

>>474955442
top keklel
>>474953543
It just depends on what consumables you have, you're right. Namely, either you have heath pots and tele scrolls, or you don't and you're dead.

>>474957453
Just let it burn down. What do you need from inside?

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Oni enthusiasts rise up. One of the losses was a CA that I forgot was a CA and abandoned Ignis at D:4, good times.

>>474957889
>either you have heath pots and tele scrolls, or you don't and you're dead.

What are scrolls of fear, blink, summoning, butterflies; potions of invisibility, -haste, might, berserk. What are god abilities, wands, misc evocables.

>>474955419
Eocs are some retarded idea straight out of Korg's crackpipe

>>474959812
What's wrong with effect_on_condition?

>>474954953
I always forget to check the archive even though it's extremely effective for these "web1.0" sites and their 3MB FTP downloads. Thanks.

>>474962467
Nothing, BNoids are sourgraping because their project is too dead to have it.

>>474962467
Lua is a recognized programming launyage with open source specifications. Eocs are the mind of a crackhead

>>474964504
Cringe days ahead contributors are malding because they haven't gotten a slice of the steam money.

LIVE

DIE DIE DIE

>>474954779
the FUCKING AMY made a ToME version? do NOT play that at all costs

>>474957453
there is no way to stop fires once they've started
leave the reality bubble and come back when it's raining maybe?

>>474891604
Anyone played Dungeon Hack recently? Are there mods for that?

>grab shoals rune
>also get a gem
>"wtf is a gem? This is new"
>realize there are a bunch of them in different branches
>they're on a turn timer
>rush elven halls and get the gem there
>rush slime pits
>kill the royal jelly
>cant find the fucking rune or the gem
>check 3 of the 4 vaults
>nothing, also only 60 turns left
>rush to the final vault
>get the rune, the gem dissapeared as i was walking towards it
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>474986971
Then whats with the fire extinguishers

>>474993170
what?

>>474992573
this is what apportation is for

>>474957453
Fire truck water cannons work great

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>>474987423
Actually did semi-recently though I didn't do a full run. That was one I played more of back in the day. Dungeon Hack didn't feel like it aged particularly well to me (The cludgey AD&D rules which work okay in something like Eye of the Beholder but feels even funkier for a single character roguelike, the questionable balance, etc) but oddly enough I also poked at Castle of the Winds recently which was another roguelike I played a lot in the distant past and that one holds together a bit better. Still fucky for having obtuse information on attack damage/to hit which sorta makes magic far better until you're really well equipped even though the default character icons are beefy warriors but it's not quite as annoying as needing to have wizard levels or save up coins and get an ID machine to identify gear in Dungeon Hack. Dungeon Hack does have spiritual hammers being hilariously OP though, still remember winning runs by playing a cleric and using two of the fuckers and kiting

No idea if there are any good mods for Dungeon Hack but you mentioning that stirs up memories of taking turns playing that with buds so I get extra vocal

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> KoCj Dowkogist | XL 4.9 | skilling analysis

>> stats
- mHP 25
- mMP 7
- Str 5 Int 16 Dex 16
- AC 3 EV 17
- Fi 1 Sbl 3 Slings 1.2 Dodge 4.1 Spc 2.1 Conj 4 Steal 3

>> fsim

>>> Skilling
- Short Blades = primary 1:1
- Dodging 2:3
- Conj 3:5
- Sling 3:10
- Fight 1:5

>>> +5 SL

>>>> Short blade +144%
2.6 AED
+.8 AED = +144%

>>>> Dodging +100%
received .8 AED
-.4 AED = -50% ~ +100%

>>>> Conj +85%
Magic Dart vs Yak:
damage from full MP dump, per Conjurations level:
| | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | mean |
|------+----+----+----+----+-------|
| Cj 4 | 8 | 10 | 14 | 9 | 10.25 |
| Cj 9 | 25 | 16 | 21 | 14 | 19 |
#+TBLFM: $6=vmean($2..$5)
+8.75 AED = +85%

>>>> Sling +43%
(stone) 1 AED
+.3 AED = +43%

>>>> Fighting +28%
32 mHP, 1.9 AED
+7mHP = +22%
+.1 AED = +5.6%
total = +28%

>>> base
>>>> received 1.2 AED
>>>> sling (stone) .7 AED
>>>> +1 dagger of draining 1.8 AED

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> Why Kobold is the essential Conjurer

Conjurer's hunger pressure comes from Searing Ray, due to its higher mana cost.

Conjurer has the same spell hunger as other Mage backgrounds (except Wizard costs less due to higher Spellcasting):

Spell hunger for XL1 Human by background and spell level:
| hunger | 1 | 2 |
|--------+----+----|
| Mage | 20 | 70 |
| Wizard | 0 | 46 |

A level 2 spell costs 2 MP. However, a full Searing Ray costs 4 MP, 2x more. (Using the latter two MP is optional, but the backloaded damage is the point of the spell.)

Searing Ray is Conjurer's only high-damage spell from levels 1-3. Other mage backgrounds have either a high damage level-1 spell or a strong level-2 summon.

Recovering MP is slow, during which time chunks rot. Kobold's gourmand mitigates this. Thus Kobold has the most MP for a non-wizard mage, making her the essential Conjurer.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiM3nB1m4fY

Hang in there /riggly/ someone's going to play a roguelike some day

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*ding ding* Round two baby. I'll just hit the shade with disperse magic then everything should be fine.

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hmmm...

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Yay, thankfully guy was a retard.

>>475029230
Congrats on the vengeance!

>>474986825
>the FUCKING AMY made a ToME version? do NOT play that at all costs
who is that? i have no idea, just found the link randomly

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https://soundcloud.com/emdyion/gg-password-girls-generation-x-space-patrol-luluco

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Did another ghostfire build, recorded this time if anyone is interested.

https://youtu.be/f5CKect_qeQ

>>475036617
You can tell how impressed I was by you on a date based on how revolting of a shit I leave in your bathroom. The real bad ones hurt to squirt out and if I go to the effort of gassing you out without resorting to primal hooting while giving a chocolate fondue birth than clearly I like you.