Good news everyone, Arctic ice accumulation is above average for this time of year compared to the average for this century so far. Seems like the global warming doomsday scenarios that so many scientists have been predicting aren't coming true, isn't that great news? I know you're ecstatic to hear it, especially the people who are so concerned about the environment, they should be extra happy to see this good news.
>>16073486What about year-round ice? I'm sure that's a better indicator of arctic stability.
>>16073486i don't think you understand how this works. more greenhouse gasses means more energy flows through the atmosphere. more energy flow also means more water vapor which gets deposited all over the world, including the arctic. the problem is all that ice is going to melt by the years end even if it was more by the end of the year it's going to be less. screenshot this
>>16073494the arctic is melting. notice the oscillations around the average are more pronounced and that's going to continue getting worse as global warming takes off
>>16073501I mean, that is what we would expect if ice were quickly melting/reforming.
>>16073506that's correct. global warming doesn't mean less ice in the arctic. more energy is trapped in the system so everything is worse, this includes winters, droughts, storms, tornadoes, and any other type of dynamic weather event like atmospheric rivers. there is more water vapor everywhere and water is also a greenhouse gas so everything is going to get more and more extreme
>small uptick in ice>AAAAHHHHHHHH WE'RE SAVED!!!>now get back to consooooming my oil and coal!
>sea ice
>>16073486We should ship that ice to Antarctica. It could use it.https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/
Antarctica is shitting itself.
>>16073500War is peace. Freedom is slavery. More is less.
>>16073548Lol, total antarctic sea ice mass is 23,380,000 gigatons.
>>16073584That's a graph of land ice Anon.
>>16073588I just looked at several NOAA and NASA websites and none of them were offering land mass only. Probably because 2500 gt is such an absurdly small percentage of total mass and they are hoping to dazzle people with the word "gigaton" without offering context.
>>16073582As I said, you're too retarded to understand what is happening
>>16073622It's funny how you're backpedaling from:>ice is up a fraction of a fraction of a percent! global warming averted!to >okay its warming... b-b-but it's not THAT bad!
You are retards. You are retards. You are RETARDS.
>>16073501Those oscillations are normal.
>>16073486
>>16080567?
>>16073501>the oscillations around the average are more pronouncedmore pronounced than what? than the oscillations in the by definition smoothed average line?
>>16080589>t. low iq
>>16083799Are you kidding? That's what climate change deniers do. Prime example >>16082782
>the amount of ice in the arctic at the coldest part of the year doesn't change much.No shit dumbass.Late winter sea ice extent means nothing.Show summer sea ice extent compared to the 30/40 year average or early winter (October-Dec) sea ice.
>>16085511>>16085471Why does seeing good news about the environment make you so angry?
>>16073501YOU DIE FIRST
>>16073486>extentI expected it to be this and yet I was still disappointed. Superficial measures favoured by superficial people, I suppose.
>>16085915Why is your "good news" always lies that only idiots would fall for? Why do you keep falling for it?
>>16087389>ITS A CONSPIRACY!!Sure, the EU Meteorological Satellite group is totally conspiring to pull a fast one on youhttps://www.psycom.net/paranoid-schizophrenia
>>16073486>no source
>>16088460the source is printed on the image
>>16087695>Antarctic sea ice extent is 2% greater now than it was in the 1970s how is this possible if global warming is real?
>>16073501>global warmingLMAO
>>16087695Since when is the amount of anything measured in square kilometres? Shouldn't they use km^3? Fake and gay.
>>16089163>i'm smarter than the EU's meteorological groupyou aren't
>>16089049>how is this possible if global warming is real?It isn't
>>16073548>climate.nasa.govthats a government propaganda agency, not a scientific organization
>>16073486Just don't stop behaving now, it took an real shitload of work to lower emmisions and enabling this.
>>16073501>why are there no oscillations on a smoothed average?the absolute state of this retard>>16073548>quick, someone apply for funds for the 1234263th 18trillion parameter model
>>16095070>Why does good news about the environment make environmentalists so angry?because they don't care about the environment, they care about using their feigned concern about the environment as a means of wielding political power
>>16087068>2005 to 2024Ok, but is this graph any different than, say, 1980 to 2005?Science says it is>>16073526
>>16095070Lies and misrepresentation are not "good news"
>>16097361Global warming shills get upset when they see good news about the environment because that threatens their ulterior motives for shilling the global warming hoax. They want to have a disaster so that they can capitalize on it
>>16097361That's not true, or if it is, prove it.
>>16100209OK, that pretty much proves its, thanks. Good to know that Antarctica is accumulating so much ice every year.
When the Arctic sea ice melts completely and then grows to 1 square meter, retards like OP will yell "INFINITE SEA ICE GROWTH, GLOBAL WARMING SCAM1!!!1!"
>>16073486And that is after all the data "massaging" and redefinition of terms the climate scammers do to try to cover the sun with a finger.
>>16103094Why does it upset you that theres just as much sea ice now as there was 24 years ago? Why doesn't that make you happy?
>>16098721They need something to cry about so they can have an excuse to be bossy and demanding because they have no rational reasons for their demands
>>16073486The ice extent is still way below the 1981-2010 average, add those data points, then try again
>>16106682no it isn't, there was more ice in the arctic during the 1980s than there is now
>>16107366got that backwards, I mean that there is more ice in the arctic now than there was in the 1980s
>>16087695>sea ice coverage in the antarctic has been increasing by 8000 square km annually since 1980is this global warming?
>>16107366Now do for the full years
>>16103094Weird how the argument is now either the two extremes of "it doesn't exist" like OP thinks or "we're all doomed and dead and its hopeless" like you're implyingAlmost like both of these viewpoints are fucking stupid and the answer is in the middle
>Oh noes >Not the iced caparinos
>>16109204Why does it upset you that there is more ice now than there was in the 1980s, shouldn't you be happy about that?
>>16073500>screenshot thisis he expecting AI-enslaved survivors in a post WW4 nuclear wasteland to dig up a screenshot and go "damn, guess he was right after all"
>>16110262Why does it upset you to show the full years?
>>16109239Global warming doesn't exist, its a hoax
Arctic sea ice continues to accumulate
>good newsOH BOY, MORE ICEI CAN"T WAIT UNTIL THE TEMPERATURE DROPS BY 10 DEGREES AND 3/4s of the EARTH BECOMES PERMANENTLY FROZEN
>>16111661>oy vey muh crops!!!>muh precious crops muffugguh!!!kysif it gets cold we can just eat polar bears, they thrive in the cold
>>16111667I ate walrus a few times. Its great stuff, theres lots of good things to eat that do well in cold temperatures. Seal meat is also excellent.
>>16111644>Arctic sea ice 400,000 square km greater than average Are the environmentalists of /sci/ happy to see this information or does seeing increase arctic sea ice upset them?
>>16113449Anything good upsets them.
>>16111644It got warmer from January to March in the northern hemisphere, ice ball earth soon.
Yes global warming is real. No your governments won't change the weather until they have converted every chud on the internet into global warming believers first.
>>16113877It's the people they vote for that block action. You should look into the companies making donations to the politicians who are blocking action and see if you can find a common thread.
>>16114152See this is what I mean. There are people out there who actually think voting impacts policy.
>>16114229>Politicians don't write policyYou must be trolling. Nobody can be that stupid.
>>16114322Fart on me.I'm trying releasing.Trust.me.on two things.I know the cure. I know little things which makes massive difference. I know the emergency has a emergency reaction which just makes it a loud event.
>>16080276And so are mass extension events
>>16114322So you are illiterate as well
>>16114325>>16114337Take your meds
>>16113853Its warmer this afternoon than it was early this morning Is this global warming?can this trend be expected to continue forever?
>>16118096This image actually shows that sea ice is drastically decreasing if you have enough brain cells to read a legend.
>>16120323This. Scientific literacy is woefully inadequate.
>>16073486maybe space debree went past satellite camera and data varies from median
>>16121898Why can't you read a graph?
>>16111644>The Arctic currently has 10% more ice than the long term average Is this global warming?
Stunning "recovery"
>>16073501>global warmingI thought you changed it to climate change to fit your religion better
>>16126394>Everything don't like is propaganda
>>16127962Just writing for your intellectual level.
>>16110304You're talking about someone whose existential beliefs were forever settled by 80s scifi-horror movies and the Nuclear Ghandi civ meme
>>16073486Look, just fuck off with all this climate change bullshit. From BOTH sides. You are all idiots. There is so much other shit happening that it is almost irrelevant whether climate change, or whatever term it carries now, is real or not. Biodiversity loss, habitat destruction, over grazing, over fishing, not to mention atmospheric, ground and water pollution are more important threats and furthermore are undeniably real.Sometime I think this obsession with climate change is just being used as a smokescreen to distract people from thinking about the consequences of the actual environmental problems that exist. Climate change is vague, its uncertain, its open to debate. A great way to tie people up in knots pissing around arguing for decades to come while more plastic shit is dumped into oceans, as more water tables are contaminated, and more species go extinct.Besides all that climate change is also irrelevant for reasons most normies and Greta fans ignore: If man made Climate change is real and disaster looms then there is fuck we can do about it. Why? Because China and India. That's why. Try getting those locusts to change. If on the other hand catastrophic climate change is entirely natural then there is still fuck all we can do about it, so suck it up.
>>16126647shut up tard
>Climate scientists and politician allies: The climate is an incredibly complex periodic stochastic thermodynamic system. There are literally hundreds of variables at play.>Also scientists and politician allies: Really only one variable, CO2 concentration in the atmosphere, significantly influence temperatures.One should always be extremely skeptical when people boil very complex systems down to one variable. It's like having a large pool of data that is scattered across a graph in a very complex way and then simply drawing a straight line through it and calling it good.
>>16129341Incorrect.
>>16129247Why would you assume that the system hasn't been studied extensively? The reason CO2 is focused on is because the scale of CO2 emissions make it the dominant driver of climate change. Moreover, when you hear people talk about carbon dioxide they often mean the carbon dioxide equivalent as calculated using the global warming potential of all greenhouse gas emissions over a specific time horizon.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmospherehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_potential
>>16129513That's not how photosynthesis works.
>>16129971No it isn't. Go be a retard somewhere else.
>>16130879Here you go, retard. Notice how the energy is not stored for billions of years, but is used by the plant to live and grow.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthesis>To use the chemical energy stored in these organic compounds, the organisms' cells metabolize the organic compounds through another process called cellular respiration.
>>16130879>>16130975You know what? Fuck it. Let's pretend that plants violate thermodynamics and store all of the chemical energy they photosynthesize for billions of years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthetic_efficiency>5.4% net leaf efficiency.So if you covered every square in h of the Earth you would still have 94.6% of the energy of the sun.>Photosynthesis increases linearly with light intensity at low intensity, but at higher intensity this is no longer the case (see Photosynthesis-irradiance curve). Above about 10,000 lux or ~100 watts/square meter the rate no longer increases. Thus, most plants can only use ~10% of full mid-day sunlight intensity.[6] This dramatically reduces average achieved photosynthetic efficiency in fields compared to peak laboratory results.Oh wait, that's more like 99.46% of the energy from the sun. And that's if all the land and sea were completely covered with photosynthetic mass. Even if photosynthesis worked the way you think it does, which it doesn't, photosynthetic efficiency is so low that it doesn't matter anyways.
>>16073486>local weather anomaly
>>16130879>>16130975>>16130993No response? Pathetic.
>>16132962By failing to form a cogent argument you're pretty much admitting you have no education on the topic.Try harder, you pathetic faggot.
>>16134102Retard take
>>16073486>Seems like the global warming doomsday scenarios that so many scientists have been predicting aren't coming true, isn't that great news?No, it doesn't, it means there is natural variability, but the trend keeps decreasing: if you look back the data from 2000 to 1978, you'll see that this year's cover is below all those other years.https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/seaice/
>>16096929>because they don't care about the environmentSTFU you suicidal psycho, speak for yourself only
>>16134771>>16134758>the global warming institute thats a political propaganda website, not a legitimate source of scientific information
>>16135202It's not automatically a propaganda website just because you say it is.
>>16135325>>16135325>the global warming institute >funded by the federal USA.ZOG government its a political propaganda website
>>16135202Please talk to a therapist. Take care, human, I wish you well.
>>16135586>oy vey the world is coming to an end because of CO2 >everyone who disagrees with me is mentally ill nice projection, schizo
>>16135348Why can't global warming faggots ever find any information on their topic that doesn't come from ethically compromised sources?
>>16073486>le area meme
>>16138345Cope harder
>>16138358why does it upset you to see that the amount of ice in the arctic is substantially above average?
>>16138975>amount of ice>areaYou will never be a scientist.
>>16138975it upsets me that you're retarded
>>16136439anon is right, please seek help. stop being stubborn, it's for your own good
>>16138975look, open your eyes and look:>>16134758
>>16136439>>everyone who disagrees with me is mentally illthat was not what I said. I said you're being paranoid to think that sources demonstrating, empirically, global warming effects are propaganda websites. That's what your problem is.You have trust issues, traumas from your past that manifests in that way. Please got talk to a therapist, try betterhelp, for example, it's affordable.
>>16139549>the global warming institute thats a political propaganda website, not a legitimate source of scientific information
Holy shit Michael Mann and Tony Heller are gonna 1v1 on Twitter https://youtu.be/H02xhcv555Y
>>16073501no im from the arctic it is still just as cold as 30 years ago ok thnx for listening to my ted talk
>>16141481as you can see here the russians have infiltrated the us naval institute and these nuclear powered icebreakers are merely soviet tricks okhttps://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2022/may/worlds-most-capable-icebreakers-russias-new-arktika-class
>>16141236epic
>>16073486You guys still believe this shit? They tweak the data to make you scientists dance around like monkeys to produce whatever results they wanted from the start. You're paper pushers and you know it. If you don't collect your own data, you're a fraud. You're controlled by money and by the government like the puppet you are.
>>16141491Those boats are epic. Nice to see someone found a use for nuclear power beyond aircraft carriers and submarines
