The average IQ of a college student has fallen by 17 points over the past 85 yearshttps://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2024.1309142/abstract>Meta-analysis: On average, undergraduate students' intelligence is merely averageAccording to a widespread belief, the average IQ of university students is 115 to 130 IQ points, that is, substantially higher than the average IQ of the general population (M = 100, SD =15). We traced the origin of this belief to obsolete intelligence data collected in 1940s and 1950s when university education was the privilege of a few. Examination of more recent IQ data indicate that IQ of university students and university graduates dropped to the average of the general population. The decline in students' IQ is a necessary consequence of increasing educational attainment over the last 80 years. Today, graduating from university is more common than completing high school in the 1940s. Method. We conducted a meta-analysis of the mean IQ scores of college and university students samples tested with Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale between 1939 and 2022. Results. The results show that the average IQ of undergraduate students today is a mere 102 IQ points and declined by approximately 0.2 IQ points per year.
The students' IQ also varies substantially across universities and is correlated with the selectivity of universities (measured by average SAT scores of admitted students). Discussion. These findings have wide-ranging implications. First, universities and professors need to realize that students are no longer extraordinary but merely average, and have to adjust curricula and academic standards. Second, employers can no longer rely on applicants with university degrees to be more capable or smarter than those without degrees. Third, students need to realize that acceptance into university is no longer an invitation to join an elite group. Fourth, the myth of brilliant undergraduate students in scientific and popular literature needs to be dispelled. Fifth, estimating premorbid IQ based on educational attainment is vastly inaccurate, obsolete, not evidence based, and mere speculations. Sixth, obsolete IQ data or tests ought not to be used to make high-stakes decisions about individuals, for example, by clinical psychologists to opine about intelligence and cognitive abilities of their clients.
>>16004180>send more people to college>average IQ of a college student goes downwho could have predicted this
>>16004180Higher education is now just one big diploma mill. The focus has shifted from learning to following instructions.
>>16004180>According to a widespread belief, the average IQ of university students is 115 to 130 IQ pointsnobody believes that except the narcissistic college students
>>16004180Diversity is our strength
My IQ is 140+ and I was forced to go to college by my mother.I wanted to be a fucking plumber.My biggest regret is not just leaving home, but homelessness didn't seem like a good option at the time, now I realize I was wrong, I would probably have greater liquidity as a hobo
>Companies >We won't train nor hire people unless they get accreditation from a college to show they're more smarter than the average person!>Everyone proceeds to go to college >WTF! Why are all our job candidates no more smarter than the average person!?
>>16004394This is unironically why companies don't care about college degree anymore and are poaching math and physics majors
>>16004180What do you expect?Pretty much every nigger on a college campus has not earned the right to be there.
In other words>college kids seem dumber because everyone can access it instead of rich people.
>>16005701>Grandiose delusions, also known as delusions of grandeur or expansive delusions, and also informally known in Japan as eighth-grade syndrome or chūnibyō, are a subtype of delusion that occur in patients with a wide range of psychiatric disorders, including two-thirds of patients in a manic state of bipolar disorder, half of those with schizophrenia, patients with the grandiose subtype of delusional disorder, frequently as a comorbid condition in narcissistic personality disorder, and a substantial portion of those with substance abuse disorders. Grandiose delusions are characterized by fantastical beliefs that one is famous, omnipotent, super intelligent, wealthy, or otherwise very powerful. The delusions are generally fantastic and typically have a religious, science fictional, or supernatural theme.key section:>Grandiose delusions are characterized by fantastical beliefs that one is…super intelligent
>>16004781Not true, some of the ones on athletic scholarships are genuinely good at sports
>>16004180>The average IQ of a college student has fallen by 17 points over the past 85 yearsthat's nothing. The average IQ of /sci/ has fallen by 40 points since 2016.
>>16004184That's not how it works. If you send more geniuses the average IQ rises. It's a problem of who gets sent, not how many. Though quality in this case, doesn't come in big enough numbers.
>>16004180I am not surprised at all. Who would waste their time and money just to get a useless degree? College and universities have lost their credibility, they are nothing but brainwashing camps.
>>16007619Is the fault of globohomo for paying shills to push absurd nonsense like global warming, flat earth, veganism, 1 != 0.999..., and vaccines.
>>16004394This unironically.In East Asian countries you can still find a corporate culture of trainees and apprenticeship. I remember some guy I met from Taiwan who became a pilot without going to school because some company taught him how to fly a plane, even though he graduated with a Bachelor's in literature. This does not exist in the west anymore, even when looking for an internship you'll see absurd requirements, Apple sometimes asks of their research interns to have a paper published.
>>16007766What would you expect, when you have so many students? There are only so many above average people, you can't increase the share of the population who reach the undergrad level, then wonder why they are average.
Considering the results of the midterms of my Computer Architecture class I'm willing to believe that
>>16004180>declined by approximately 0.2 IQ points per year.From what year? Because it surely hasn't linearly decreased from 1933 as implied by this abstract.
>>16008466College student are people who are physically adults, but who are still socially children. They're not contributing members of society even though they are old enough to be. As a result they develop guilty consciences about still behaving like children even though they are old enough to be doing more with themselves and so they develop coping mechanisms to deal with their guilt and shame. The delusional coping mechanism you described is amongst the most common of them
>>16009021also common are drug addiction, compulsive masturbation and regression into childhood behaviors (video games, watching cartoons, etc.)
>>16008466Midwits do what they're told is the right thing to do, and their teachers have an economic incentive to make them believe they're special.
>apply for a job>they pull out my 4chan posts>anon, do you really not believe in real numbers?>it says here that you think 1 != 0.9999it's so over
Is it just me or is college literally worse than just studying by yourself?I failed operating systems, algorithms, linear algebra, and calculus but after I dropped out of college when I studied on my own I understood all these things very well.There are a lot of awful books out there, but you can just find a better one suited to you. In college it doesn't work that way you either comply or die.I went from a total fucking loser retard to studying elementary topology for fun and using C out of principle because of all the time I spent on /g//sci/ and /g/ have literally been more useful than my time in collegeAlso with just a bit of research and cold calling and emailing some people for advice I learned that banks love people that know cobol, so I spent a few months learning it and making a portfolio to show employers.College is so fucking useless.
>>16009809>apply for a job>they pull out my 4chan posts>"how you get dubs so often? some sort of hack">"no" I answer "i'm just magic">"ok how about we start you off at $300k/year"
>>16009835Yeah, Learning by yourself, is highly efficient, compared to learning from teachers/professors lectures in higher education They seems to have an almost infantile understanding of what they are teaching, something that is evident when they arent able to explain the current "topic" in any other way than the textbook definition. This coupled with that other students memories these "supposed topic as one absolute truth or, and in return can only explain the topic one given way, was the most of-putting, bizarre downright frighting thing I experienced in academy. Most students was able to regurgitate the answer, but they didn't seem to actually understand the answer at all.Would argue learning from someone who is good at actually teaching makes things very very easy to understand, and speeds up the acquiring process of knowledge and other valuable tools. it speeds up and adds a sort of childlike feeling to learning, making it very enjoyable, almost addictive.Good teacher>self teaching/studying>lectures/school in general
>average IQ 102The worst implication of this is almost half of the university students having only double digit IQ. While this seems accurate when taking a look at the people you find in an average lecture, it is still highly disturbing.
>>16005701LMAO, you are a complete moron.
>>16011031Yes I do get the three heads joke. It's what you ordered wasn't it? This answer from me.
>>16009800I want to see your ass getting shelled in the Ukrainian front right now, you coward piece of shit.
>>16009835Yes, at least for me. A good prof will expose you, though, and you will be thankful for it.
>>16011025>it is still highly disturbing.why? its no different than what you experienced in high school or elementary school
>>16011621The difference is that people don't pretend to be smart for graduating from elementary school. University still has the (false) reputation of being a place for smart people.
>>16009835This guy put it well:https://intellectualmathematics.com/blog/the-right-way-to-argue-that-lecture-doesnt-work/If I have detailed and important information I want to convey you, which makes more sense:(a) I write it down and give it to you in print.or:(b) I tell you to show up at a given place on a given time for me to blurt it out as a long monologue and hope you catch it all.Option (b) has number of disadvantages built into its very format. The transmission of information is artificially paced at the rate at which I talk, so if your natural rate of absorbing this material is either higher or lower than this then you will be bored or overwhelmed accordingly. The fact that I go on talking continuously also means you cannot reflect on the information I give you until later, forcing you into passivity of thought during the time we are together. The presentation is also uncompromisingly linear: if a point depends on a previous one in a way you did not anticipate, you cannot go back an reconsider the earlier point in this new light, potentially making it impossible for you to understand the latter point. These obstacles to learning are logical consequences of (b), but they are completely needless since they can all be avoided by opting for (a).Add to this the logistic absurdity of (b) applied to an entire class. Every single student has to structure their life around this one time slot. They set their alarm clock (even though sleeping would have made them much better mentally prepared to take in the information), commute during the worst hours, and rearrange work and family obligations in complicated ways. And for what? So that they can all sit in the same room at the same time to listen to someone basically dictate a textbook to them while they take “notes.” The university, meanwhile, incurs great costs for the large lecture hall and the expensive textbook-parroter, especially since the charade has to be repeated again year after year.
It says there's simply more of them. Idk why complain.
>>16004371No way lol idek what my IQ is, I don't really care, but I tested into a gifted education program and shit as a kid, skated through honors and AP classes through highschool, and I was basically forced into the trades by my inability to afford college, and by my family. I am literally a plumber now. I've been told I'm one of if not the best apprentice my journeyman has ever had, but I hate it. I would trade you in a heartbeat.
Does anyone have that twitter meme post about how Business class is basically some jerkoff saying "If you spend more than you make it's bad"And do not get my started on how most medical jobs are retard-tier. Unless you're a field specific PHD, technician specialist, or a very well practiced general clinician you're fucking dumb.
>>16010688>those digits>the postI kneel dubsman
>>16011694Then how come people don't just selfstudy?How come you don't see anyone who did self study "making it" in any way
>>16012270biological and biomedical sciences are health profession related sciences, so is psychology
>>16004180>Go from top 5-10% of population in college to current shit (study identified this)>Affirmative action means they similarly fail to attract the higher IQ demographics to begin withDIRE
>>16013240college students were always low IQ tho
>>16005701>what are high IQ retards
>>16004180They really should mandate real analysis and complex as a requirement for graduating university. What they should mandate is getting a B as the minimum for classes to pass said class.Too many C students graduating.
>>16012277Because companies require the specific papers (degrees, certificates). There are exceptions like IT.
>>16007766Its honestly extremly funny how you can tell some people have zero sense of statistics and probability theory. Like they have no intuition for it what so ever, how distributions work.When you make statements like that you just show everyone here you have never gone to a STEM program. But honestly im sure many STEM students themselves dont understand how to think about statistics despite having taken one or two courses in it
>>16015985Isn't that actually only HR that wants that shit?Realistically companies just want people that they can train or have specific skills already.
>>16016838>RealisticallyYour imaginary idea of how things work isn't really how things work
>>16016838>Realistically companies just want people that they can train or have specific skills already.Maybe in the case of some IT companies where you can convince them of your coding skills. But even then, if they get 200 applications for a position, they will probably rather go with someone who has a degree from a reputable institution. We currently have no good system for quickly identifying someone's abilities and potential. Even software engineers will tell you the hiring doesn't really work well. In an ideal world it would be purely meritocratic, test-based without any expensive third party prerequisites like university degrees.
>>16010688c-checked.
>>16017798Then people would just game the tests
>>16004180IQ is just the average intelligence, so as the average person gets smarter IQs tend to fall.
>>16004180It's because it costs too much and people at the top are soaking up the tuition and funding. I went to a private University, but the way to fix the problem is to regulate the public universities more as far as the distribution of funding goes. Take sports out of the equation. You have people who can't even string a sentence together getting full scholarships just because they can throw a ball.Then you allow for more diversity of thought. That does not come from banning books or subjects or teachers, but allowing dissenting voices onto campus as lecturers and professors. DeSantis has gone about it backwards. Suppression of speech, rather liberal or conservative, needs to stop. And students should have access to all books and all information. To that I'm pissed at both the right and the left for trying to suppress ideas and ban books. Mein Kampf should be in libraries as well as the Communist Manifesto. Do I agree with either of them? No, but they should be there.
>>16017798>We currently have no good system for quickly identifying someone's abilities and potential.The thing is, it doesn't have to be this way. Get a lot of smart state of the art scientist guys together and they will come up with something that is much better than traditional IQ tests.
>>16017188So companies don't want competent people they just want desperate slaves?>>16017798What if they're looking for a javascript programmer but instead they get some asshole retard who just got out of harvard that needs to compute the time complexity of getting coffee before looking up a JS tutorial on youtube.It's actually really easy to tell if someone is skilled: that is they already have a job.Also there are bootcamps and certificate programs.I would argue college is a worse gamble. Comparing a JS programmer that is just autistically studying JS for 4 years versus some CStard who probably didn't even take a single JS class who was too busy taking a satanic theory of gay sex class to do anything independently and then too tired also afterwards.Personally I will always prefer the autist unless I get a budget for some actual professionals.
>>16018077companies want whatever will drive up their stock price, since they all make money by leveraging debt, whatever gets them the lowest interest borrowing rate is what will make their stock price rise fastest and diversity is what gets them the lowest interest rates so thats what they want to hire.
>>16018686the MSM subtly switched the argument over ESG to one over DEI in order to mask the fact that ESG is still fully enforced
>>16018077"companies" don't exist. The hiring managers and HR cannot recognize competence anyway, so targeting that, especially when IQ tests are explicitly illegal, is pointless.
>>16018686How does hiring literal zombies improve their stock or interest rate whatever that means?God I fucking hate corpo culture so much. Value is mathematical, it is measurable when given a type of measure.It's all such fucking bullshit.>>16019604That's totally wild. Why is human society so retarded?
>>16019621It's actually very clever in a Machiavellian sense. A hiring manager is never going to be directly exposed to the corporate consequences of his or her misbehavior, even if he or she were intelligent enough to recognize these consequences. Therefore, it makes perfect sense why hiring managers would hire someone who cannot replace them, or who kisses their ass, or who they want to fuck, or who they want to network and befriend, or who is cheaper short-term, rather than make some rational decision weighing the probable marginal discounted sum of future cash flows towards the organization.It's not retarded it's just evil caused by a mismatch of incentives.
>>16007877You would expect it to stay the same, because the increase in students would be from a simple increase in the population, which means more high IQ students in general.Of course, this turned out not to be the case, because high IQ students are now being passed over for retarded shitskins, which is severely dragging the average down.
>>16019698>because the increase in students would be from a simple increase in the population,That's bot level nonsense, but I'm worried that you're actually a human.
>>16004180>link>404 not found
>>16020221If people with over 130 IQ go to college, and say 10% of the population has an IQ of over 130, then in a population of 100 people, 10 would go to college.If that population grew to 200, then 20 would go to college.If that population grew to 300, then 30 would go to college.The number of people would increase as population increases, without the IQ of college students going down.So clearly something is happening that isn't "population went up", and that thing is that high IQ students are now being passed over for retarded shitskins, which is severely dragging the average down.Considering this needed to be explained to you, you're probably one of those dumbfuck niggers dragging the average down, when you shouldn't be anywhere near a university, but in some field picking cotton.
I’m a retard and I believe I would be happier as a grunt in a war. I don’t want to go to university and I don’t want to work in a factory all my life. I wish I joined Ukraine when it first started, now they are picky about who they let volunteer
>>16020559The percentage of people who attend college is increasing, you dumb fuck.
>>16020574Which in itself doesnt explain why the average IQ of graduates is going down, that's explained by them admitting dumbfuck nigger retards such as yourself.
>>16004180>more students>more low scoresWho coulda predicted
>>16020605Yes, it does explain it, as there are not 40% of IQ 130 people.
>>16015990It shouldn't even be something that needs to be taught. Anyone of even mildly above average intelligence should be able to intuitively read OP's post and reach the obvious conclusion>>16004184But you get king midwits like >>16019698 who are smart enough to attempt to reason but too retarded to do it properly.
>>16020610Could go the other way if test scores didn't have a cap or predetermined number of questions. Could also be that more burden is being put on the testee to learn than the tester leading to less fucks given.
>>16020617>IT'S CUZ THERE'S MORE PEOPLEExcept if standards remained constant, 40% of the population would not be going to college.So, for the third time, that's explained by them admitting dumbfuck nigger retards such as yourself.
>>16020654>if standards remained constantAre you presuming that that more new students coming in is a constant?
>>16020662If a country's overall population is growing, you would expect a proportional increase in the amount of college students.You would not expect the average IQ of those students to go down unless you lower the standards for admission by admitting dumbfuck nigger retards such as yourself.
>>16020667>expectWhat are you basing the country's overall population growing on?
>>16020671The entire history of the country, which shows that the population has been increasing.
>>16020674Comically we don't actually know what country OP was referring to since his link was dead. Just noticed >>16020250
>>16020654IQ is calculated so that the mean and median IQ stay 100.
>>16020698so what's the average IQ of college graduates now adjusted for the average 85 years ago?
>be me >engineer student in a third world shithole>drop out cause cant do math>try codding>drop out cause cant do math>enter tradeschool>began learning mathe from zero so I can get back to uni in some yearsim a midwit? like 93% of the people in my country didnt go to college so just entering means im not that average. right?
>>16020730Almost everyone is average. Almost everyone believes they are above average. Comparing yourself, especially if you are average, is just self-inflicted psychic damage.
>>16019647 This. And even if management is aware the people they hire are middling at best, their response will be to tell HR to raise standards. Thus you get entry level positions requiring 2-5 years experience.
>>16020730>im a midwit?your IQ is low because your skin is dark
The absolute brainletism in this thread inspired me to try and look up college enrollment statistics. Interestingly all data that I can see at first glance is outright maliciously obfuscated, either by only providing irrelevantly short time frames (2010 is far post-decline) or using bunk metrics like #students/total population.Only a few metrics would make sense, and I would have expected most of them to be obvious. There are still caveats but these are at least salvageable1) total number of students enrolling each year 2) students enrolling/year strength 3) dropout rates in each year (that is, %age of dropouts of all students from <year> that enrolled)
the superior option is that students leave university alone and to let it be -
>>16020719The were dumb back then too
>>16004180DEI = death of excellence.Just look at /sci/, /lit/, /his/ now, it's filled with nothing but degenerate diversity numbnuts who think instinctively solving Hanoi Temple puzzle as a college undergrad is a challenge. It's a puzzle meant for kindergartners and younger elementary school kids.
>>16021878It's necessary to understand that American education in particular is geared towards catering to the midwits rather than encouraging competition and culling out the incompetents. Great deal of it is execerbated by cold-war era need to maintain social stability and cohesion from relentless soviet-bolshevik propaganda and destabilization efforts. This made people hunker down and stay on the defensive, always worried about where the next point of fracture would be, and how to keep the society cohesive in the face of constant foreign agitation efforts.You can even say DEI and mass migration efforts are part of this phenomenon - Soviets were haranguing others about being hard nosed, so we proceeded to play the ultra nice liberal. This encourages the academic establishments to continue re-centering everything to the mean of the incoming population, and you can see these efforts reflected in 1995 SAT score re-centering, and same efforts recently for IQ tests. Obviously millenials and zoomers have higher IQ than their parents, but this is not reflected on the statistics for various reasons.Then there are constant efforts by diversity hire researchers and faculty, many of them foreign, to purposefully dumb down the American population, especially White American population. Manipulation of statistics to influence self-perception and introducing DEI policies, forcing out competent Ameriacan faculty and replacing them with hostile replacements etc etc.When you see those college statistics that keep pushing up the time frames (this is the way it's always been, don't look for data before 1950 for example), or using nonsense metrics to falsely represent data, you are dealing directly with malicious manipulation and falsification of data driven by hostile foreign intent, alongside the idiocy of domestic gullible useful idiots who are just worried about their admin positions and tenure.
>>16009835>>16011694Colleges have become degree mills for reasons stated here:>>16024266A lot of the public and even private education system is basically all about churning out drones, same way they used to teach niggers in plantation schools. The national security directive driven mentality from the 70s when they shut everything down and kept the country in a stasis has had some very negative impact on people's mentality, and many of the current day policies including DEI and re-centering are result of this. United States is still a fairly 'traditional' nation whose policies are dictated by comparatively uninterrupted history from the time of Thirteen Colonies to this day, and for many of the faculty that means knowing how to be 'magnanimous' and charitable in recruiting 'niggers' aka DEI hires and leading them instead of putting our own first and foremost. This dovetails nicely with the 70s initiatives on national security directives shutting everything down, and has resulted in today's mess where they would literally listen more to diversity hires who feed them what they want to hear (all of the DEI policies, how to maintain the 'plantation system' as opposed to promoting excellence and merit). What many of the faculty and admin do not understand is that many of these diversity hires and 'trusted' co-workers are feeding them lies in order to suit their ethnic and foreign agendas, manipulating American racial sensibilities to full effect. This is especially true of third world diversity hires, whose cultural and social norms never balk at manipulation and conniving behavior in order to play crabs in the bucket and get what they want. In fact, inability to do this in most foreign cultures is considered a weakness of character and unsuitable for 'mature adults'. Everything they are hearing from these groups are pre-packaged bullshit meant to drive their personal and ethnic agendas, in ways to get our people to do what they want.
>>16024282The most significant part of this is how the entire arrangement feeds into people's egos related to socio-economic status, real or perceived, and results in a very unhealthy environment where every level of institutions and academia becomes a leftist hotbed of masturbatory circle jerk that keeps letting in hostile foreigners and stupid domestic agendas that cause most of the problems they claim to fix. When you have an entire generations who built their foundations on reinforcing this mentality, you have people who married and created families in accordance to what is appropriate in this arrangement. At this point, that generation is consumed by the same arrangements and will find it hard to make any meaningful changes, and begin doing insane things to reinforce the dynamic including what can only be considered suicidal behaviors (DEI policies, midwit catering, kneeling, all the virtue signalling etc).If they snapped out of it and understood how deeply their mentalities are entrenched in false realities, they can also understand how to think completely outside of the box. But at present, even the ones who want to 'fix' the country are driven by same ego and mentality of those who created the problem, and are just different sides of the same coin. This particular angle plays a huge role in why people continue to see obviously obfuscated and manipulated data in regards to the reality of our academic institutions, denial and outright hostility when questions are raised, and resulting weakness against hostile outside influences trying to use these factors to usurp our academic agendas. Yes, the academic standards have fallen to the point your average undergrad freshman is basically a highschool 9th grader at this point. Majority of the current undergrad diversity freaks and queers in grad schools shouldn't even be there.
>>16024296Once these problems are fully recognized, people see how these factors dysgenically affect the entire society, including even the dynamic between men and women, and parent to children, or critical agendas such as national security, demographics, academic policies, governance, taxation, anything of significance.It also provides the most virulent enemies with tools they can work with in order to dismantle our society from inside out, and these enemies also happen to be essentially DEI hires who are mirror images of UN staff and multinational corporations, international orgs, or terrorist organization such as muslim brotherhood and IRGC, or outright marxist factions such as the chinese communist party (marxism and leftism is just repackaged neo-feudalism, except dumber).Why are people not motivated to do something as basic and common sense as securing our borders, throwing out illegals, or being lethal and strict about putting away the criminal population, many of them unwanted minorities? Why is it so hard to push back against obviously insane agendas such as diversity, equity, and inclusion, or deranged tranny agendas and all the fag nonsense in our schools?It pays to be 'magnanimous' and 'generous' when outright force is no longer applicable due to increasing literacy and education level, as well as advancement of socio-economic levels. If outright force does not work, fake smiles will do.All of this puts our children dead last, or even worse, treats them worse than their other 'favorite children' aka DEI hires.The hostility you often see on here against Whites, and increasingly against East Asians, is mainly coming from DEI hires and idiots who are hostile to any lateral thinkers and or potential threats to their goals, which is to usurp this system for their own ends by any means necessary. The hesitation and fake confidence displayed by their collaborators in the institutions are people who have been well-served by this arrangement.
>>16024324It's addicting to pursue a socio-economic caste system, and underestimating its influence on how it motivates people even down to their sexuality and sense of confidence. The mirror image of this is communist-marxist societies filled with cadre of liars and thieves who have outright stolen their countries from previous governments and rulers, and especially in third world countries, those with morals of escaped slaves or serfs who are filled with sense of impunity and arrogance. This combined with lack of social cost regarding lies or manipulation of social order to get what you want, or such being considered a virtue and potential instead of dishonorable behavior, is where our worst enemies come from in order to manipulate this dynamic to their destructive goals. Most of the third world faulty and admin pushing these agendas while insisting anything less is 'un-American' are obvious enemies and liars. Their collaborators who cooperate with these agendas, or even worse, push it themselves, are little more than hypocrites or poor useful idiots in denial about their own realities that is harming themselves and those they are supposedly teaching. More diversity becomes the norm, worse this gets since everything is being catered towards churning out drones instead of encouraging excellence and promoting merit, which is very dangerous to those wanting to maintain the 'plantation' system. Hence the mediocrity of our academic pipeline and how many people find it amazingly faster and easier when they pursue the subject matter on their own initiative with enough baseline knowledge.Most importantly, people will see how easy it is to effectively and lethally deal with problems we face today once this dynamic is left aside. No one will tolerate threats and overt hostile behavior from foreign parties once they have a clear mindset and are thinking independently of the ego and sentiment tied down to the need to maintain an unhealthy and draining dynamic.
>>16024351It takes time and realization to re-orient anyone to a reality that is detached and independent from the said dynamic, and dangerous to upend everything at once. Most of the people who are trying right now to 'fix' the problem are not quite as free from this dynamic as you might imagine, since they are also driven by vengeance and events of the past to 'right the wrongs'. Not to mention, easier to realize this then to genuinely understand it and become part of the healthier reality given how much of our society has been built around it. It takes time for individuals to recognize just how deeply they are embedded in this arrangement.
>>16024359Now all this being said, most of the foreign threats and domestic subversives we face today, including the useful idiots, are far worse in their practice of this dynamic then any issues we face.Nothing you see right now as a problem will make sense until you realize just how much of the information and decision making you observe that are clearly harmful or unhealthy are being made either by deceptive and subversive foreign agents in our institutions and governments, or by useful idiots who are clearly outclassed by these hostile agenda pushers and have their tenure or salaries and positions dependent on the arrangement that is meant to replace them.
>>16004180>tertiary education becomes more accessible to general society and less monopolised by social and economic elitesand this is a bad thing, because?
>>16024369Because education and society itself has to be willing to promote excellence, first and foremost.There is no such thing as participation trophies or tearing down 'barriers' IRL.A relatively homogeneous nation state with sound social mores and cultural norms is the only environment where this is possible. 'Diverse' arrangements make it easier for social and economic elites to monopolize their positions against the confused and divided masses, whereas more homogenous and united societies where everyone is 'Ladies and Gentlemen' is harder to subvert. People can spot liars half way around the world.
Also, I guarentee your average Marine atm has higher IQ and is cognitively superior to your average diversity undergrad, or even graduate students. Most of them are just hamsters on a wheel and cogs in the increasingly dysgenic machinery meant to churn out different kinds of 'work', instead of being allowed to truly pursue excellence.
>>16020559As others mentioned, college applications definitely have psychological profiling aspect to them. I've personally seen talented and obviously well adjusted and intelligent students who excel academically and in other fields who would be best fit for a sane society being passed over for some obsequious indians and third world kids whose motivations and personalities were far better suited to the agendas being pursued by Ivy League schools, and this was decades ago.
>>16004180it's a mystery
>>16024401Hispanics and third worlders in general should never be part of the country, never mind our academic institutions. In regards to international students, obviously we need to put our own first and foremost since most of them are at a point where they are willing to push agendas harmful to American society even if they are not active foreign agents.
>>16024404it's ogre manat least they're being funneled into the service industry's endless appetite for wageslaves. Personally I don't even tip mexicans even more
>>16024408Do not consort with third worlders.Don't employ them, don't give them the attention they crave.Mass deportations and expulsions are needed.Worst DEI pushers in our academic institutions are indians, pakistanis, bangladeshis, and muslim or middle eastern types who are basically 'jews' all by themselves. They are LIVID about their parasitism and third world subversion being blown out of the water, and have been waging endless demoralization campaigns online for a reason.The recent push against East Asians is mainly DEI faggots trying to leverage a contentious dynamic brought on by chinese communist attempt at swallowing the world whole, as well as all the sperging and chaotic situation in Trump's first term as leverage to deflect blame and shift people's anxiety towards the demographic they personally find threatening or are an obstacle for their malicious plans. People ran across many astoturfers on GLP who were obvious farsi or arabic speakers trying to scream any post they didn't like are 'chinese' or something.The matter with chinese communist subversion and media campaigns in the past are real, and people blew the whistle on this. At the moment, chinese are kept in check by being diplomatically isolated world wide and chinese communists just being fucking retarded in general. First round of WW3 has already been won by both china and iran, as well as their allies being fucking idiots and depopulating their own population without any youth bulge with deadly sinovax agents.It's a matter that began with our involvement in the Far East which mainly revolves around conflict and warfare, and of course the veteran impressions of the wars, amongst other things. Ping Pong diplomacy was initiated in order to exploit the Sino-Soviet split at a middling geopolitical level in order to gain leverage against Soviet Union and their bolshevik agendas. Many people lack knowledge about histography and political motivations behind the issues we face today.
>>16024418The issue with the chinese or East Asians is mainly due to chinese communist psychosis, coupled with chinese-japanese state level propaganda efforts involving the media. It's also because of the level of cultural development and socio-economic gap created as well as level of educational attainment, and resulting tension being more familiar and threatening. This coupled with the fact that our involvement in the region has revolved around warfare, and there's veteran impressions to consider which isn't always covering everything.Chinese atm are being squarely BTFO along with their allies, which is why communists and every single dysgenic freaks around the world especially from the middle east, india, and former soviet socialist republics are bum rushing our borders with their retarded slavish cartel pawns.In the end, it's always the thieves and rapebaby mutts who keep screaming insults at everyone online and trying to shift people's focus to anyone they find threatening.It seems like they are gathering together all the dysgenic freaks like that skinny middle eastern faggot caught on camera, plus chinese migrant labor types with military training and indoctrination the chinese communist party find politically reliable. They found out that their tier 1 and 2 city types have a tendency to fold over and side with anti-CCP agendas more frequently then not, so they are literally gathering together any disposable they can find to commit them to suicide missions, along with their IRGC and ISIS accomplices from the middle east. As far as the middle east and caucases goes, it's always the sephradic jewish tier mutt scum who are the most hostile and vicious about wanting to be white or replacing whites. 'Closer' they are, worse liars they are. Bunch of jews, basically.Hispanics are dysgenic third worlders who should be deported enmass, no question. You need first world people for a first world nation, not squat 5'2' pygmies even locals won't touch.
>>16024408The only reason why you might feel disheartened or threatened outright by third worlders is because of the national security directives and dysgenic mentality fostered by misguided previous generations. Don't hate your parents for this, they too are in the same boat. Now is the time to mend fences and unite as family. People need to start peeling themselves away from dysgenic mentality that plagues our enemies also, something they lie about with ease since their societies do not encourage any kind of honor amongst thieves and there is no social cost for any of it - only reward and recognition.
>>16024418based
>>16024457ah yes, unite with the boomer one last time. Muffle his cries with a pillow.
>>16025774Of course you want our forefathers dead, you obvious thirdie mutt scum.
>>16004180
>>16004396>companies don't care about college degree anymoreTrue. They only care about 10+ years experience minimum.>are poaching math and physics majors/sci/cel delusion.
>>16024401california is the lowest iq state in america
>>16027024Been to cali a couple times. Is it normal in the US that everything was in Spanish on top of English? Honestly from my lived experience it seemed that the ESL spics and room temp IQ wagies dragged down the average IQ by 10 easily.
>>16027952This.CA is largely run by democrats and ESL crowd bought and paid for by foreign interests and diversity hires, who are also run partially by traitorous CIA and State Department fags, held only in check by marginal military types in the outskirts and mountains.
>>16027024Based 80%+ White states.
>>16027952
I can't wait until college 2 comes out.
>>16029398same
>>160041805% of the population in college vs 60-70%.mean iq is always 100. a selected 60-70% of the population can't be too different compared to the populationit's literally basic statistics.
>>16007766true we just need to send the 50% of the population who are in the top 5% of IQ, you've done it again anon
>>16030210Thats what a college education will do for you these days
>>16030210That absurdity can come true once the vax is done wiping out the dumbest 90% of the population
>>16027952>everything was in Spanish on top of Englishyou're in the wrong neighborhood if you noticed that, there are still nice white areas you can visit in CA (generally coastal cities, nice suburbs, or in the sierras).
>>16032350
>>16004184This. The bigger the sub-population the closer the two averages.
>>16004180In the past 85 years they've also taken off use of tools as IQ test questions...
>>16032794too real
>>16010688DUBUSANI KNEEL
>>16032794I swear on Christ's name any mexican hawking fruits and random shit on roadside stand should be deported on the spot, illegal or not.
>>16009835>>16011694>Option (b) has number of disadvantages built into its very format.>And for what? So that they can all sit in the same room at the same time to listen to someone basically dictate a textbook to them while they take “notes.” The university, meanwhile, incurs great costs for the large lecture hall and the expensive textbook-parroter, especially since the charade has to be repeated again year after year.Slightly relevant, but I remember during my time in school (2010-2022), we would be forced to "popcorn read". Each student picked by sticks or in class order would read one (1) paragraph at a time. If it wasn't obvious, this was an extremely time consuming and tedious process because of Brad with literacy skills that are on par with a 3rd grader, and kids who did not give a flying fuck about anything at all never followed the book. It just occurred to me, they would do this in 2 types of classes, English and completely useless/easy as shit classes (health/art/required credits) in order to pad out time. Why did I highlight the years I was I was forced in public school? This is special. The entire district had been issued school Chromebooks around the time I entered middle school (2016) This would have made everything a breeze as far as notetaking and doing paper assignments, right? Lmao. 1/2
>>16033274In almost all of my classes up until graduation, I would take notes from a powerpoint/slides presentation projected onto the board into one of those composition type notebooks. They HAD the ability to share their PowerPoints and they fucking didn't in order to pad out a solid 2-3 days a week in class writing paragraphs of words onto paper which could have easily been avoided. >Missed a day in class? better inconvenience the guy that sits next to you and ask for his notes, you wouldn't want to get a zero on those notes now would you!This went for everything aside from economics (Senior yr) everything was done exclusively on our computers, and it was perfect. 2/2
>>16024369>and this is a bad thing, because?It gets muddled, it is not as anywhere near the caliber it was just 50 years ago. In fact its more a facade of "education" more than anything of any noteworthy. That's why we've found ourselves in the situation we have today. Its not a bad thing, its simply not as simple as it sounds to educate everyone with limited time and resources.
>>16032350Who are you kidding even Palo fucking Alto was like that. You are just too used to people not speaking the language of the fucking country they supposedly live in to notice. Every gov building, every hotline, hell even some signs.
>>16033274>Slightly relevant, but I remember during my time in school (2010-2022), we would be forced to "popcorn read". Each student picked by sticks or in class order would read one (1) paragraph at a time. If it wasn't obvious, this was an extremely time consuming and tedious process because of Brad with literacy skills that are on par with a 3rd grader, and kids who did not give a flying fuck about anything at all never followed the book.Holy fuck anon. I was in school 1999 - 2011, and this was not a memory I needed to remember. Fuck that shit. That was a particularly bad example of public school time-wasting that I'd almost completely forgotten about. Half the time I'd be the one that lost my spot when it came my turn to read because I got bored and was reading ahead.
>>16033018
>>16034439Wyatt Mann is one of the great prophets of our time. Everything he predicted in the 1980s & 1990s came true a quarter of a century later
>>16024266>Obviously millenials and zoomers have higher IQ than their parentsCould you explain a bit more? I thought the population was getting more stupid due to there being no natural selection for intelligence.
>>16035708Everybody from Gen X to Zoomer did get shafted by increasing lower IQ diversity, but IQ tests kept being re-centered overtime to cater to the mean, so it's incorrect to assume MTV and Comedy Central permafucked their brains. Of course there was and still is natural selection for intelligence, given that greater proportion of Gen X and millenials went to college and graduate schools, which in their time weren't completely pozzed as they are for zoomers.Education for the most part does account for increase in your IQ, unless it's some completely irrelevant ideological track such as gender studies or some other nonsense. Greater aptitude in arithmatic alone easily account for at least 4 to 8 point in average IQ increase from their parent's generation. Even the biased current studies have shown zoomer generation - born from Gen X mainly - have higher IQ then their parents.
>>16035708>Heavy metal exposure universally dropped two orders of magnitude in the mid-90s>Nutritional deficiency is targeted nationally by the majority of the first world>Alcohol, nicotine and phenethylamine fetal exposure hit long-term minimumsCorrecting for race, millenials and half the zoomies are ubermensch.
>>16024266>>16037412On the contrary, they are getting more and more brain dead exactly because of that. It isn't "niggers", it's everybody. The only thing is that you look immature to those who did develop psychosis, so they probably think that they saved us from the catastrophic poison that prevented people from maturing, and at the same they can't notice that everything is gone because they "know" that we live in a golden age, so they can't process anything to the contrary, and instead dismiss all evidence piece and piece as one minor problem in an otherwise perfect society. It seems that you can't learn new concepts once the psychosis sets in, so they have to deal with the world using the concepts that they learned until that age. First it might have been more abstract concepts, first it might have been more abstract concepts that are now scarcely understood at all, then it were more everyday things, now it may often be boy and girl, when the psychosis sets in especially soon, before the child learns what it is. And this is why it's such a incomprehensible problem, why they have such bizarre opinions, it'sbecause they lack the basic concepts needed to understand it. But they may seem to "mature early". But they are left with no adequate tools to understand hunan life, and can't obtain more.
Maybe it would help to try seeing it from their perspective: Imagine you are born in a world where people are divided into draks, and gigits. It doesn't seem to have any real basis, some people are supposedly draks, others are supposedly gigits, and you don't get it. It seems like people made up this division, for no reason. You are told that you are a gigit, but you don't like it very much. You much more like draks, the way they dress, the things that they do, the way they talk, the way they are treated. But you are told that you were born a gigit, so you can't be a drak. All the other people seem to accept their assigned hydge without questioning, and act accordingly. It's easy to begin seeing yourself as the genius who can see through that bullshit. You may start acting like a drak, and ignore the "haters". Or you may invent a new hydge, and call yourself a dinklit, just to stick it to the man, seeing yourself as a huge rebel.
>>16007766perfect ilustration of the article's point
>>16037824the n word is racist
>>16034933His IQ must be in the high genius range
that's a very slow gradual declinewhat's the margin of error?
>>16004180Yea, back in time, university was for intelligent people, now it's for masses, because we need more experts, but somebody didn't realized, there are more opened positions, than people who can really be expert. Ulitmatelly higher education drifted to unpleasant time, where it's unnaturally fabricated, giving people degrees even trained monkey could apply for, just to satisfy demand, therefore making whole society disfunctional, by the fact that degrees now are given to people who doesn't deserve them and litterally only know what bootlicking and being a dipshit is. If it happened otherwise, there would be more expensive experts, but they could do their job. And that is uneconomical, because wasting a shitload of money on not so intelligent experts, means there shitload of money necessary, in the end true experts get paid less and less is achieved. But otherwise experts could be sort of scarity, something not so replacable as part of society, so they couldn't put political pressures on them so easily, so instead we have replacable trained monkeys that work on decreasing of ability of intelligent people to reproduce, because unintelligent monkey then can replace anybody because nobody will demand intelligence anymore.
>>16040648this is a fairly good summary of the situation
>>16024266dangerously basedwe are very close to the point where it would have been better to live in a (post-stalin) Soviet Union vs present day USA (at least for cis white men).
>>16009800>>16009021nobody feels guilty over being in college, you sperg.
>>16004394It's not the fault of companies. It's the fault of governments who provide loan guarantees to whatever body hands out loans to students. By doing so, any incentive on behalf of the loaner to be careful who they loan to disappears.
>>16008014What's your thoughts on dysgenic breeding causing the genotypic maximum for intelligence to drop?If you think it's effects are very small, why do you think it's acceptable for allow these dysgenic breeding patterns to continue, since it guarantees at some point our population's intelligence will be too low for civilization?I.E at some point this must be fixed, why not now?
>>16042414NTA.There is no such a thing. There are only schizophrenics who are le very smart.
>>16041834>t. emotionally triggered
>>16004180>universities flood their campuses with retards and niggers who have no business being there>Student body becomes noticeably retarded>"Oh no, how could this have happened?"
>>16043664>implying universities are for intelligent peoplelol how naïve, are you even over 18 yet?
>>16004180Not hard to tell how stupid college kids are, just look at how stupid the threads they make on /sci/ are
>>16004371retard
>>16045497Is there a word or a term for what happens to midwits when they go to college and learn a few fancy exclusive polysyllables and as a result presume that they've suddenly become the world's leading scyence experts?
>>16004180I knew academia was fucked when they let me study and even do a PhD. No need for fancy studies.
>>16042414there will be enough intelligent people to keep the systems running for the foreseeable futurethe problem is going to be social, not civilizational in nature
>>16046319pretentiousness
>>16046319Niggardry.Sandniggardy.Jew-Jeetsu.DEI genius.
>>16004180>We traced the origin of this belief to obsolete intelligence data collected in 1940s and 1950s when university education was the privilege of a fewWhen you tries to hide the digenics effects and destruction of academic system, and need a leftist explanation to do so.
>anotheriqthread.jpg
>>16046319Whiteboy syndrome a.k.a. Timmy's Razor.
>>16049693insane, these judges will strip your rights and rule against you in every matter and we will all toe the line like little cucks until we're living in fucking south africa
>>16049734yes, thats the plan. white genocide in south africa has worked out fairly well so they're rolling it out at a larger scale in america
>>16051074I wonder where the American Orania is going to be
>>16049693the "white men" depicted are all jewish homosexuals
>>16044787lemme guess, you are an embarrassed tech tradie millionaire but you wont go to a random uncredited doctor right?
>>16054531Do you get the impression that this site is full of people who trust their doctors?
>>16004180They get dumber and dumber every year
>>16049693>91%>5%whats the missing 4%?
>>16055992trannys
>>16049108White males are a small minority of USA college students, less than 30%
>>16058306No, we are still at least 50% of the undergraduate and graduate student population in this country, excluding any one-drop rule violators. You just can't see it because nah, I'm not going to tell you ;)
>>16058767males are only 42% of USA college students
>>16015592ive met some dumb motherfuckers that seem to have their head on better than some real scholars i know...
>>16004180>force most kids into college via family and economic pressure>"these kids are dumb as hell!" its almost like alot of them don't want to be there OP
>>16004180Because they admitt everyone in the education centers. This inturn creates problems.Companies expect you have a degree so you are obligated to get it, but also you are not different than anyone else, since they also have a degree just like you.The solution would be to make entrance exams hard and prioritize education. The problem is collages and universities, became profit seekers not smart individual seekers. They lower entrance exam standards, admitt basically everyone and make huge profits from it.I am not in us but same problem is happening all over the world.
>>16059575>This inturn creates……jobs for useless academics who would otherwise be unemployable
>>16058781even fewer if you subtract the males who think they're women
>>16015592lots of downies get college degrees these days
>>16062495They let all sorts of low IQ people into college currently
>>16004180I'm sure womemes flooding into academia and all getting meme degrees has nothing to do with it kek
>>16064457College attracts low IQ people of all sorts, not just women
>>16004180This current batch of students is fucking hopeless. I had a student in my calc class come to office hours last week and we got stalled because I had to spend five minutes trying to convince them that 4x8 isn’t fucking 48.
>>16011694Interesting take anon. This is why I chose an asynchronous classes in an online university over brick and mortar. I have more time to sit down and read, I can digest material better, sure one would argue that I can cheat or that I’m not learning much, but to put it in perspective…in less than 9 months I’ve learned more about wireless radio frequency than what other retards do in 3 years. A lot of it is owed to being able to do my own research with the material given, and also set my sleep schedule/work schedule and leisure time accordingly. The argument people have against online institutions and asynchronous classes is almost always low IQ shit. Think about it next time someone tells you they much rather be in a classroom with people than learning on their own. These are the same people who take spinning classes and hire personal trainers but never lose weight or gain muscle mass.
>>16065127lololol>>16065140long self indulgent wall of text that nobody read
>>16007895it's fucking over
>>16011694>ehrmagod! expecting us to set our schedules around obligations set by others!? that's outrageous!!
>>16004180normalize by the drop in the average IQ of wider society or whatever
>>16033161>bums asking for free money on the side of the roadi sleep>mexicans running a business on the side of the roadREAL SHIT
>>16024266hard nosed you say...
>>16065926
>>16064764people who have feelings of insecurity about their own intelligence will always fall for all the "smart people do this" memes. mensa makes like $50 million a year selling "smart person identification cards" to morons
College is a scam
>>16069861college is for low iq people
>>16060876Right, education is a ponzi scheme, it will collapse once everyone everyone has a phd
>>16028474this image is funnier when you realize there is high probabilities the "artist" didn't know that "United States of Mexico" is the actual name of Mexico and he was trying to make a joke mixing the names of Mexico and USA
>>16004184they expelled all the whites and replaced them with bootlicking negroes
>>16076359This.No matter how much they try, nogs in the admin positions drag down everything. They are placed there mostly by fake smiles crowd to retain the 'plantation' dynamic instead of choosing for competence, which obviously wouldn't be an issue if there were no DEI policies and demographics improve overtime.
>>16073114>this image is funnier when you realize there is high probabilities the "artist" didn't know that "United States of Mexico" is the actual name of Mexico and he was trying to make a joke mixing the names of Mexico and USA
>>16004371>My IQ is 140+Same.>My biggest regret is not just leaving homeI was on and off homeless for about a year, rather sleep at a bus stop than "at mom's place".>but homelessness didn't seem like a good option at the time, now I realize I was wrongYep, you were right....because youre not stupid.I worked heavy/light industrial jobs/soldier/Alaskan fisher etc. I sometimes think about working on an oil rig while I shitpost at these seething stooodents making bank and flipping tables left and right.
>>16004180Bump before polshits
4chan is majority browns and Asians, it’s simply not friendly to discussions that highlight their lower IQs.
>>1602071925 give or take
>>16004180these people are still somehow getting degrees. let that sink in.
>>16071083no but for midwits except elite schools in Europe
>>16080973careful there, clap. we might finally wise up and stop sending you all the smart guys who make all your scientific discoveries.
>>16069861I studied engineering, at college I only learned where to find information and some practical labs but the rest is talmudism
>>16004396>>16004394>>16004371>>16004247>>16004239>>16004187>>16004184>>16004181
>>16082762>need Asians and JewsExcept White countries were stronger before Asians and Jews flooded in. There is more than enough Whites to fill our tax subsidised medical schools as seen in the 30-32 acceptance rate considering that untapped 37% amounts to hundreds of thousands of applicants getting rejected to fill Black and Hispanic students with lower scores. There should be 0 non-Whites accepted, they can just go build their own universities in their own countries.Hispanics can stay, but should have equal treatment to Whites. They are literally White colonisers who raped natives, why are they getting AA baby treatment?
>>16024401>>16024404>HispanicsI can not wait until the leftist media starts classifying Hispanics as white 100% of the time and Hispanics will be shamed for their white supremacy roots and Hitler.Every time the white US majority hits 51% it magically jumps back up to 90%. This is what it means to have white power and white privilege.I can not wait for Hispanics to post on /pol/ how white they are and all these Hispanic KKK members.
>>16082771>Hispanics can stay, but should have equal treatment to Whites.>We should normalize hacienda nigger mentality>Race mixing is a-ok>Latin America is literally the mongrel ascendancy everyone is trying to avoid
>>16083144Mexicans already like Hitler
>>16082762>worrying about the IQ, test scores and race of your doctors when a country like fucking Cuba with nearly a whole standard deviation below in intelligence than you has roughly the same life expectancy as the US.For the record the current life expectancy was Cuba 79.9 yrs and US 80.8 yrs as stated by the 2023 CIA Factbook. Maybe just maybe the problem isn't an issue with aptitude or demographics...https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/cuba/#:~:text=Life%20expectancy%20at%20birth,79.9%20years%20(2023%20est.)https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/united-states/#:~:text=Life%20expectancy%20at%20birth,80.8%20years%20(2023%20est.)
>>16084385usa life expectancy is currently under 76 years, it was never as high as 80
>>16004180FWIW, I'm tested 100 iq and am only going back to school to get the piece of paper. Worked in mortgage underwriting for years and could never get promoted solely due to not having a degree (previously filled in for the position with no issue). I would not be going back to school if hiring decisions were made solely on competency. Add on to this that I'm a homeschool kid and had atrocious mathematical education which means that I am having an extremely difficult time with anything involving mathematics. Despite this, I'm still on the Dean's list for my school with only a 3.5 GPA (never had the chance to take the SAT or ACT, actually a miracle that I didn't have to go for a GED).
>>16012277the map is more important than the territory
>>16085473>life expectancy peaked a decade and has been on the decline ever since nice job science, way to go
>>16086182This must be the progress the progressives have been promising
Feels good to be an Ivy League Chad
>>16087212ooof
>>16088666>>16087212Next time down lie.
>>16007766Do you also think IQ tests are not an indicator of an individuals intelligence?
>>16087103their definition of progress is more money and power for themselves at the expense of everyone else
>>16004180/sci/ is packed to the gills with college age children who vainly presume that they're of superior intellect despite having no evidence of their genius
>>16004180Schwarz electrodynamics used to be given at the 2nd semester of a physics degree, so yeah, avg iq did drop.
>>16092468Yep, the incoming Freshmen, especially DEI idiots are basically highschool sophomores at best if you measure them by traditional metrics. That applies to their emotional as well as academic intelligence and achievements. This has to stop. Colleges are meant for mature, grown adults, not these freaks who shouldn't even be in this country.
>>16065681I read it, and you will never be intelligent or educated.
which major/industry acts like they are god's gift to earth the most?
>>16093933Journalism.
Im a degen retard that managed to use community college to transfer into a (relatively good for my degree) state school with an associates. I did well my first semester, but for some reason I stopped caring about doing well. Now I'm in danger of failing multiple classes... I have no energy, and can barely pay attention. I don't know what's going on with myself...
>>16095407You need to immediately start taking vitamin D3 in the morning with a fatty meal such as a half of milk every morning, after one year of doing this, the d3 in your body reaches its max in your blood stream. What it does is increases the amount of dopamine receptor formation in your brain and increases dopamine expression, if you don't believe me buy a bottle of if on amazon from the carlyle brand. yYou need to take 10,000iu of it every morning.IF you want another dopamine increase, buy a bottle of holy basil from the same brand from amazon, take holy basil with a fatty meal to maximize the absorptin in your body. i think its 1600mg per pill from carlyle. it creases dopamine generatoin and acetlycholine production, it will make you feel more motivated. its all about dopamine, if you don't have dopamine you will find everything boring and not bother trying doing anything at all.you shoul take the holy basil a few hour, like 3 or 4 hours after the vitamin d3, takte the basil with a meal that contains some fats, i say it becuase the basil might interfere with teh absorption of the d3 and make your body absorb less of both when taken at the same time, but if you do not have the time then take both in the morning.
>>16095407I pray to god that you follow my advice here >>16095441and buy both bottles from amazon and immediately start taking both supplements. it will help you become motivated again.it's all aboout dopamine, dopamine. they are 10 bucks each off of amazon.
>>16093933Engineering
>>16095443I think it may partially be dopamine related too. I'll try to pick some up vit D3 from the pharmacy on the way to class today. But I'll probably start at a lower dose. If I see holy basil I'll grab it too. But otherwise I'll just wait on that one.
>>16095899Don't start at a lower dose, immediately take 10,000iu, you'll notice that you will be able to stay awake all day after taking it every morning by the end of your first month on it.Remember to take it 1st thing in the morning with milk.
>>16095470
I wish I was born into a rich family. I really like learning but I'll never be able to go to a nice school/gymnasium/college with likeminded people to talk to without wageslaving or incurring a mountain debt....do any of you anons have tips for sneaking onto campuses or textbook sites? If I could somehow get a hold of my local collages class/lecture schedule,do you think it would be possible to sneak into a large class for an entire semester? maybe I should bum around a campus and convince a few different stoner guys to send me a copy of their class schedules every two weeks or something.online learning sucks and hiring a tutor also sucks ass. being able to talk to an experienced teacher/proffesor is always better, at least personally.fuck degrees, I just wanna know topics on a deep level and talk to people about them in-person.
>>16097111Did more research and found some studies that examined doses within 5000iu and 50,000iu with positive outcomes. I took 5000iu today but tomorrow I'll start loading with 20,000iu for a week then go down to 10,000iu. I also went ahead and got holy basil as well. I started taking it today and the only thing I've noticed so far is that I'm urinating much more often than usual. But hoping that this will all help, or at the very least the placebo effect will work on me.
>>16065140>The argument people have against online institutions and asynchronous classes is almost always low IQ shit. Think about it next time someone tells you they much rather be in a classroom with people than learning on their own.>These are the same people who take spinning classes and hire personal trainers but never lose weight or gain muscle mass.Oh man that second part. If the world were filled with people like us there would be a lot of people without jobs. Crazy how in person learning is still the norm for things that dont need to be.
>>16098403you can take college courses online pretty much for free. you can watch lectures online pretty much for free. you can literally go into a college lecture and listen to it for free and no one will care. you're in luck with your goals, because college students are paying for the piece of paper, not the education.
>>1609840311 textbooks to study math from, to make you smarter. Use WolframAlpha or Symbolab to check your answer if you have difficulty for [2-11].[1] Linear Algebra Done Right by Axler: Do this first, it's free on his website, teaches you how to read and write proofs in linear algebra, makes understanding "pure" math easier, 800 problems, majority of mathematics programs in the USA use this book.[2] Calculus with Applications by Lax: It's a compact comprehensive introduction to single variable calculus, that has 400 problems. No prerequisite needed.[3] Ordinary Differential Equations by Logan: A compact comprehensive overview of ODE's, that is used in multiple universities in the USA, prerequisite is [2].[4] ISBN 3030263835: Optional, prerequisite is [3].[5] Multivariable Calculus by Lax: Only 400 problems, for most...learning math ceases after [5], unless you are a physicist or electrical engineer. Prerequisite is [2].[6] Partial Differential Equations by Logan: Similar in style to [3], prerequisite is [5], 300 problems, problems start to require a whole page of work or more.[7] ISBN 3031487834: Optional, prerequisite is [6].[8] Complex Analysis by Eiderman: Every problem contains solutions, has 200 problems, prerequisite is [5], is a great book to learn from.[9] ISBN 0470054565: A more difficult, optional alternative to [6], yet is more comprehensive. Realistically...for most...prior experience is required, such as that found in [6].[10] ISBN 0486406784: A cheaper older companion to work alongside with, or optional alternative to [3]. This is 224 pages while [3] is 384 pages. [11] ISBN 048666158X: A cheaper older companion to work alongside with, or optional alternative to [6]. This is 192 pages while [6] is 300 pages.As you complete a math textbook, you become smarter, therefore making the successive textbook quicker to complete. If you're working full time, it would take you between 3 to 12 months to complete each book.
>>16100649studying math doesn't make you smarter
>>16100649>calculus>no prerequisiteWhat? Does it introduce all of high school math in the same book or something?
>>16098558Be care ful holy basil. It may increase pre frontal cortex dopamine but I stopped taking it because of a funny feeling in my kidneys, I find d3 does nearly all the work in keeping me awake and giving me a better mood. Especially after a year of taking it.
>>16102126studying math does make you dumber
>>16089021They're not.
>>16102126>>16104283both of these are true
>>16004180/sci talks about anything other than intelligence/iq challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
>>16004180>frontierIQ is a bell curve with an arbitrary mean of 100. Those IQ tests back then measured X(1939)=119 vs. popMean(1939)=100. All this means is that the college population's IQ approached the average population's IQ, or vice versa/a combination of the two. This can be attributed to so many fucking things it's not even worth making this fucking study because nothing can be concluded. Not even taking into account the validity of the data/tests, and the nonchalant lack of selectivity in the collection methods.Half of yall shouldn't even post on /sci/ if you can't interpret year 1 statistics.
>>16027952The average IQ in Mexico is 87
>>16083144>I can not wait for Hispanics to post on /pol/ how white they are and all these Hispanic KKK members.Already the case.
>>16067053filename made me kek
>>16027952spics would have an easier time assimilating if they weren't pampered signage in mexican
>>16107339We need deportations, not assimilation.
>>16107442>>>/pol/
>>16004180is it only limited to the usa?
Adding to bump limit whilst contributing nothing
>>16004180Its the generation old criticism of the educational system focusing on rote memorization and valuing good test takers above all others. IQ is partly a developed skill and if students learn growing up the most valued qualities are receiving high marks, even if they’re highly intelligent they’ll grow up looking for an answer to a question rather than an understanding and solution.
>>16108696No, globohomo wants the prole population to be as dumb as possible because that makes them easier to control, school has been getting more and more dumbed down in the western world for quite some time.
>>16110207>the prole populationAKA the goyims
How has this thread been alive since January
>>16012270When I graduated we were shuffled into the line in the wrong order so as they were reading all the psychology graduates someone informed the guy up front that they had some geologists who needed to be read in. When the guy didn't know how t proceed we told him, don't worry, there's only 6 of us.6. 6 fucking geology students amid a sea of 400 psychology majors. Like, what the hell are those psychology majors supposed to do after graduation? I had an environmental science job in 3 months. I bet those psychology majors are still looking for work 5 years later.
Education was doomed the moment they removed Greek, Latin and proof based Euclidean geometry from the curriculum. Instead they teach conversational Spanish and algorithmic algebra. The students are made to be homogenized across the spectrum and be dumber. Even the “smartest ones” are just obsessed with acing the SAT. They just want 99.9% of you to be sheeps who only possess the survival instinct to function in the capitalistic system. E finito.
>>16111575History proves that an educated populace is bad news for the rule classes, so why would the ruling classes want to give people a good education? That would be suicidal for them.
>>16004180It's because meritocracy is not profitable anymore.
>>16111575>Euclidean geometryI wonder if they teach mathematical proofs in the majority of the schools anymore.
>>16098403If there's a public university nearby, I definitely think you could attend large classes. Might be hard to get schedules, but if you email a few professors/departments and explain your situation I'm sure some would be willing to at least hear you out, since you have an interest in their subject.
>>16004180stop making this fucking thread and the trump steak one too
>>16111584Thats why all education was private until fairly recently. In the past wealthy kids were educated by private tutors, middle class kids were educated by mommy or some sort of private school and poor kids were put to work at a young age and educated on the job. Back then everyone was smart enough to know that public education would necessarily be government brainwashing and nothing more
>>16017798Your post reminds me of why I advocate for decentralized, democratic standards for most social merits - give everyone access to a social leaderboard, anonymize vertical public boards (what everyone sees is something random but the positions are publicly visible), and profile users horizontally locally. You'll see how people stack up on a strictly meritocratic basis, and as such job negotiation can be made before checks based on this pseudonymous profile without risk to the user and without an escrow or certificate authority. Open standards, transparent results.
>>16027024Man I love being a white yank.
>>16114628I concur. Live by the updoot, die by the updoot.
>>16065140Reminds me of how I floundered in school until I got pulled out. Proceeded to take college classes at an accelerated pace and skip a semester in freshman year because of it. I'm definitely homeschooling my kids.
>>16024401>>16024404mexico graduates more engineers per year than the US does (which includes foreign students) lol
>>16004180I was an adjunct at a major uni. Most were retarded
>>16004180if many people attend college, doesn't that make the mean IQ move with the temporal increases in education? Put plainly, having 100 IQ in 1906 is different than having 100 IQ today because the average pool of knowledge is higher now than it wA 100 years ago.
>>16012277we navigated ourself into a particularly absurd equilibrium
>>16116461No one is going to provide you a serious answer to that question because there has yet to be proper discerning analysis between two people with the same IQ even today.In theory people with 100IQ today should be better than those in 1906. But then you'll get some randos talking about modern people have slower reaction times or that flyn effect of IQ is higher today but the genetic/poly genetic IQ is lower compared to 1906. And no one will be able to tell what any of this means. No one is going to be able to say if people with 100 IQ aremed with knowledge of arithmetic and algebra is intellectually better than people with 100 IQ back in 1906 who "supposedly" have better reaction times.
>>16114628This ain't some anime kid
>>16007766Step 1: Pretend central limit theorem is falseStep 2: Send more people to collegeStep 3: Manage to consistently enrol Ramanjuan-tier genii Step 4: College IQs rise tremendouslyIt's just that easy huh?
>>16117530>In theory people with 100IQ today should be better than those in 1906False, in 1906 the population of people who were taking intelligence tests was nearly all white, so their average 100 IQ score would have been far more intelligent of an average IQ than today's multiracial mix that defines the 100 IQ average
>>16117668Didn't say it was, it's just an idea
>>16089021It depends how you would define intelligence. High IQs are an indication of quick wit and memory imo. I would say they reflect an aspect of intelligence (intellectual processing speed) without considering the creative or intuitive side that makes a true genius
>>16020730>93% of people in my country didn't go to collegewhich african nation are you from bro?i'm living in an asian "thirdie" and at least half of the working population has a bachelor's degree.
Honestly, I think even the ones with somewhat decent potential are being fomo'd into crap like redpill, blackpill and dating nonsense. If the wright brothers were so dedicated or had bought into 'le dating gayme', they wouldn't have made powered flight possible. Sad. There's bad genes(which I doubt a bit) and bad culture plaguing everyone
>>16122027>They didn't go to college, they didn't even go to high schooli believe one of them did get selected into yale but decided to take care of his ailing mother instead. however, the point still stands as those bros were autodidacts in fields that's actually important .
>>16006930i was put into this box for no damn reason other than apparently some people peaked in high school and feel like the real world is still a place they can bully and label people they dont like because in reality their lives suck and they have no real power.
>>16009021so dont focus on school work and rather focus on doing the most menial underpaid work in your community because college is for children? or better yet get through it as fast as possible and dont retain anything because all youre there for is a piece of paper. better yet just do online school
>>16042414Firstly youre an idiot. second, if intelligence were in fact dictated by genetics, not necessarily inheritance, show me the genes, and when you do that show me how many are actually linked and the loci. take a genetics class
>>16046319people who spent time learning a science? being a world leading expert/authority entails more than just understanding a field very well or mastering the content lol. very childish.
>>16095441dopamine receptor formation... wow that some good neuroscience
>>16098558buy buy kidneys
>>16122153jeez the stupidity is contagious. Bye bye*
>>16122147it's highly polygenic, nah?
>>16122159if youre asking if intelligence is dictated by a number of genes im not sure. if it were though then yes it would not be dictated by one or two genes, it would probably be mutliple linked; almost failed final pt 2 because of overconfidence tho
Bump limit hitBurn in hell shit thread
>>16124847ok fag
>>16105949I wish they defined IQ less retardedly. Why not just have 100 IQ always be the same score on the test.
>>16004180im gonna guess thats because of all the meme degree graduates lowering the average scorei might be wrong but i think the meme degrees are a more recent thing? is there an average iq score for people that did STEM stuff?
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>>16122147>Show me the loci.>Show me the genesUnnecessary. Can you teach a chimp calculus? No. Why? It is because their brain structure is inadequate to the task. And what determines their brain structure? It is the manner in which the neural tissue grows and develops. And how do the cells know how to do this? It is because of the genetic code in the cellular nuclei. Ergo, chimps cannot learn calculus because their genetics do not code for their brain structure and functioning to be capable of it.>FurthermoreHow did humans become ever more intelligent? It is through evolution. By what mechanism does evolution occur? The mechanism is the preservation and proliferation of genes that confer advantage. In horses, this might be speed. In wolves, it might be communal behaviors. In humans, among other factors, it was intelligence. In short, external selection pressures selected for greater and greater intelligence in humans, by selecting out the less intelligent over time.>B-but, muh intelligence is driven by environmental factors only...or mostly!How then do you account for how humans developed intellectual capacity far beyond other animals? Is it due to humans having a "spirit"? Are you a Lysenkoist? Are you a follower of Jean Baptiste de Lamarck? If you accept that humans evolved from creatures that had less intellectual capacity, it becomes absolutely inescapable that intellectual capacity itself is genetically based. Some part of one's genetics, in some manner, codes for maximum possible phenotypic intellectual ability. Whether or not one reaches that maximum may be due to environmental factors (you got head in the head too many times, there was no money to go to collage, you couldn't study because you got sent to war, etc.).>Where are the genes then, huh?! Show me the genes!The absence of knowledge about a thing does not disprove that thing. Your post demonstrates that you are exactly the kind of overeducated idiot that modern colleges produce.
>>16111448What level of cope is this? Why wouldn’t they be able to freelance with BetterHelp? Jobs are all online nowadays.
>>16123533>Bump limit hitNo. That starts at 310.
>>16123533This thread only upsets you because you're a low IQ college student and you don't like having your low IQ revealed publicly
>>16011694>https://intellectualmathematics.com/blog/the-right-way-to-argue-that-lecture-doesnt-work/This is really good. I would love to hear your blogroll!
>>16130758half of all college students have two digit IQs
