http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/255823>Generation Z anime fan: "What's so great about Gundam's director Tomino? SEED has higher box office revenue, and he's been praised too much even though he hasn't made a hit in the past few decades."
For me? It's Ideon, the best Tomino anime.
>>22586827I wish the blu-rays dor this weren't 600 fucking dollars.
>>22586825Personally i think Gundam is carried by the foundation of mech designs Okawara left behind. Most of Gundam stories, even not by Tomino have been the same as him, hollow yapping about politics and philosophy with no substance.
>>22586825Sad but true. I'm actually happy I wasn't recommended Gundam until I was a pic related, so I could catch more of the underlying themes.>inb4 media literacyIf you're an ADHD riddled zoomer of course SNEED is more your speed, that was the intent behind the series anyway.If you are a tranny chronically on twitter or reddit, Bitch from Mercury is the greatest anime ever.Malatempora currunt>>22586827Close. Peak Tomino is from the compilation movies to Zeta included, he was definitely in a state of grace for Ideon as well.
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>>22586837>>22586840Please go away and stay go.
>>22586840How the fuck does this apply to me.
>>22586837Meant 30 year old boomer, my bad
>>22586845Just pirate the rip. You're still not supporting the makers of Ideon if you buy the set from scalpers
>>22586837You kinda see it in the production choices:UC gets OVAs or movies only now, for older fans, while the typical anime series try to expand the fanbase (and get ESG investments).
>>22586837KEKmeds.
>>22586840>>22586834Retard
>>22586827This>>22586829You snooze you lose. Pirate way you go.
>>22586825I call bullshit on OP btw. Source doesn't work & post smells like propaganda
>>22586879Not OP, but that site used to work in GTranslate. I just had to copy the text this time.
>>22586895I don't see the diss in that translation or "What's so great about Gundam's Tomino? part. There's nothing negative in those comments OP.
>>22586825>Gen ZTheir opinions don't matter.
ITT: Disgruntled voices coming from nursing homes. Here's the truth:Sneed and G-Bitch > UCshit
>>22586825>SEED has higher box office revenueWhy would you care about the opinion of anyone who cares about this?
>>22587007Cry harder, You lose.UC > Sneedshit and G-Bitch
>>22587008Midwits like OP care about irrelevant stuff like that. Its the closest thing to a W for him. That's why he still itt shit posting all night.
>>22587021Then how come G-Reco doesn't have better sales than SEED Freedom?
>>22586900Eh, NTA, but the last three paragraphs are pretty negative.
>>22587027Because dumb people speak in bulk.
>>22586825After watching a few Tomino shows I can confidently say that Tomino should never be involved with Gundam again. He sucks as a writer and reuses the same plot over and over again.
Has there ever once been a good thread or post containing a yaraon-blog link? If not, why are they even allowed?
>>22587060SEED brainrot
>>22587027Not dissing Seed Freedom since I haven’t seen it but if we equated a show’s quality to its financial success we wouldn’t even be talking about Gundam since it started out as a ratings flop.
>muh box officeKEK, what a retard
>>22587048>reuses same plotHe does reuse ideas (Lalah had similar death to a one Daitarn 3 chars) but when did he reuse a whole plot?
>>22587103Zeta is just 0079, Dunbine, and L-GaimCCA is just Be InvokedG-Reco is just Turn A and King Gainer
>>22587107You didn't watch any of those.
>>22587098Yes. Sales is a valid metric because people value money and when they give money to something, they value it.
>>22587103Have you not watched ZZ
>>22586825He's right you know, Tomino didn't make anything good after V Gundam
>>22587199He was never good. Modelkits carry Gundam, not the plot.
What’s so bad about SEED? Only UC stuff I haven’t completed is Turn A and Victory. I think SEED is fine. I’d rather watch it than Stardust Memory or Unicorn. Genuinely curious about why /m/ shits on SEED the same way they shit on WFM.
>>22587202>He was never goodI'll listen to you after you'll grow up a bit.
>>22587208Jesus Sue gets all the merch and wins all the polls and inspires more Kiritos.
>>22587208I haven't seen it but isn't it just derivative? Do I really need to watch it if I have already seen 0079 first? Like I'm sure it's a good intro Gundam for people who don't get the themes of this franchise, but why would I need to see this if I have seen the OG? It's like all these soulless live action Disney remakes. They all just seem unimaginative.
>>22587199GReco is his best work and King Gainer is a very close 2nd
>>22587238>needNigga it's a cartoon, you don't "need" to watch any of them.
>>22587238I’m only 10 episodes into SEED and I can tell it’s 79 with a fresh coat. I think it’s a breath of fresh air. I watched Unicorn, Hathaway, and IBO (in that order), and SEED’s been a breath of fresh air. I’m also of the mindset that as long as it feels like Gundam, I’m happy that it exists.
>>22587240KEK, thanks for the giggle fren
>>22586825>zoomer's opinion on anything Lol
>>22587238Yeah, SEED is to 0079 as The Force Awakens is to A New Hope. You may enjoy it, though -- it's flashy and strongly emotional (its oft-mocked melodrama are actually pretty heartbreaking moments) with some cool mobile suits (I love Rising Freedom BTW).
>>22587021Let's just say, OP isn't the midwit here, and the numbers of posts in this thread is proof of that.
>>22586840Moviebob?
>>22586837>ADHD riddled zoomer>SNEED>tranny chronically on twitter or reddit>Bitch from MercuryI'd be extremely ashamed of myself if I expressed myself like this at age 30.
>>22586825Based as fuck.
>>22588115That retard isn't a day over 18.
The only way to like Tomino is if you have no respect for the art of animation. He produces nothing but garbage.
>>22586825How does he do it? Even with all his flaws, he still manages to maintain a level of quality far above the other anime writers.
>>22587240Ummmm...akshually, that would be Dunbine, Victory, and Zeta in that order.
>>22588168>Even with all his flawsYou will never, ever understand it.
>>22588177Understand what?
>>22588168Bait
>>22588115>>22588122KEK, imagine not having a different vocabulary and tone for online conversation and everyday life. LMFAO at you brainlets.
>>22588171Zeta isn't even in his top 5
>>22587240>>22588171Nah, it would be Xabungle, Ideon, 0079, and ZZ.
>>22588278If you hate "zoomers" so much, why do type like one?>imagine not having a different vocabulary and tone for online conversation and everyday lifeI don't like to act like an underage retard when talking to others, not even online. But hey, that's just me.
>>22588293I never said I hate zoomers. I may mock them but their situation is sad, just look at the increase in diagnosis of anything from ADHD to autism. Ruined by their upbringing and I feel enough compassion.>I don't like to act like an underage That's no fun. Here's a fresh Daba pic as a gesture of goodwill.>Verification not required.
>>22588293He's a faggot, if he doesn't "adapt" then he runs out of prey.
>>22588300>I may mock them but their situation is sad, just look at the increase in diagnosis of anything from ADHD to autism. Ruined by their upbringingWhy would you want to type like such a person then?>That's no funSorry, throwing a bunch of retarded buzzwords around like a braindead monkey isn't my idea of fun.
22588315>complaining about fags in /m/ of all boardsFuck off back to /pol/
>>22588317Are you this anon?>>22587825How dreary
>>22588171>>22588290These are all great choices… Except for ZZ, c’mon now
>>22588379What is wrong with ZZ aside from muh tonal shift and the creepy Chara/Puru stuff? It's as interesting and engaging as Zeta (in some cases moreso), and the Moon-Moon episodes are some of Gundam's best.
This is a weird conversation going on.
>>22588357No, I don't engage in retarded generational wars of any kind.
>>22588576Everything good about ZZ was done better in Xabungle and L-Gaim. ZZ is pretty pointless and possibly the weakest Tomino show.
>>22588586>I don't like to act like an underage retard when talking to others, not even online>Why would you want to type like such a personBut>No, I don't engage in retarded generational wars of any kind.I can smell the hypocrisy from here. Unless you weren't too bright to begin with. In which case, Sneed and Feed fr fr no cap
>>22588633>Everything good about ZZ was done better in Xabungle and L-GaimName 5 of those things.
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>>22586825The saddest thing about this was Tomino's relentless insistence that G-Reco was made "for kids".No, you old coot. Kids care about Demon Slayer and Spy × Family, not robot shows. Have you gone senile or something? The only people that care about you are your old hardcore fans that eat any piece of garbage you put out.
>>22587027Retard
>>22587048>>22587107You never watched a tomino anime a day in your life. Kek, You dumb tomino hatin fuck. Exposed yourself.
>>22588104You could be OP with this bait & his.
>>22587202Retards like (you) have never heard of the term subtlety. You don't know anything about "good plot" especially if you're some dumb seething evatard.
>>22587208Its slow & boring. Also looks like shit visually.
>>22588732>The only people that care about you are your old hardcore fans that eat any piece of garbage you put out.Tomino doesn't make "garbage" OP. >Kids care about Demon Slayer and Spy × Family,Which are peak lowest common denominator slop with cliche plot lines & generic loli bait characters. Of course that stuff is more popular than anime that require actual work to enjoy.
>>22588778>than anime that require actual work to enjoy.That's not the point. The point is that it was Tomino himself who said G-Reco was made for kids, which is either a dumb lie or a total delusion by Tomino.
>>22588787Ok, than you're right. I do give Tomino a benefit of a doubt as he's old as fuck & still kicking. Its not surprising he's completely delusion & senile. He has too much confidence in children.
>>22588636Some kids and teenagers can be pretty retarded (but I sorta give them a pass since they're learning how to behave, unlike supposed adults such as you), I just don't pin said stupidity on a particular generation such as Gen Z or Gen Alpha or whatever because I know kids will be kids regardless of the era, that's what I mean when I say I don't engage in generational wars.>In which case, Sneed and Feed fr fr no capYou'll never be funny, faggot.
>>22588836Not him. Kids are as stupid as the generation that raised them in my book.
>>22587208Retcons SEED from dangerous berserk status to special snowflake status to the point of undoing the death that was supposed to point it outGoT problem of having LotR style idealistic ending after going too dark to do that in satisfying way (moving from sex manipulation to sparing enemies and saving the world from cartoon villains)Everyone either wants to suck up to MC or kill puppies Weak battles directing post second half, two recap episodes
>>22587208>Stock footage>Character dies only to be resurrected later>Stock footage>Character dies only to be resurrected later>Stock footage>Character dies only to be resurrected later>Even more god damn stock footage>99% of the cast has 0 depth and the 1% that do don't stick around.I honestly have no god damn clue how anyone could stay invested in that series other than to laugh at it.
>>22588787He'll say that kids have been watching too much dull anime.
Damn, that's really sad news op.
>>22587208Personally I hate how it takes a completely unrelated topic (ethics of genetic modification and designer babies) and tries to cram that square peg into the same round hole that was 0079's colony vs. federation conflict. It stubbornly tries to make parallels even where it makes no sense. Now ZAFT, the militarized space colonists of this narrative, are actually the cultural elite. The faction that would represent the proletariats in 0079 now serve as the bourgeoisie, hoarding their knowledge and technology in ivory towers, while the earthnoids cry with jealousy. The Federation in SEED are given no reprieve or relatable perspective. They are technologically stunted, fucked for resources (the narrative tells us they deserved this), have worse genetics and are essentially depicted with the methodology of the Titans right off the bat, so they have no moral leg to stand on ether. Oh, and the naturals also form Blue Cosmos who would be considered extremists even to the Titans. So the framing of the conflict is essentially filthy poor earth dwellers who can't afford to turn their children into GMOs lashing out violently at the ascended elite, who have more important things to worry about like attending pop star concerts performed by the daughter of their most beloved politician.
>>22588766Gundam literally fueled Evangelion into existence. The so.y cuck formula of mecha anime.
>>22586825What a bunch of fool.I started with AGE when I was 12 years old in 2012, but I ended up loving more and more Tomino's work as I age. Refusing to watch his works is foolish
>>22589317Anon, you're making an interpretation of the plot that is simply not there on the show(s) at all. Or, at the very least, it's comically exaggerated into some "class struggle" nonsense without any basis. If SEED is about "about the haves vs the have-nots" as you claim, it would've done so right from the start.>the space colonists of this narrative, are actually the cultural elite. >hoarding their knowledge and technology in ivory towers>filthy poor earth dwellers who can't afford to turn their children into GMOs lashing out violently at the ascended eliteThis sounds like the ramblings of a teenager that has been watching too many BreadTube grifters and is using that "knowledge" to "understand" Gundam. You know, like trying to cram a square peg in a round hole.>the earthnoids cry with jealousy>They are technologically stunted, fucked for resources It was the Earth Alliance who developed the Gundams and related technologies like Phase Shift that the oh-so-superior Coordinators of ZAFT had to steal in order to avoid being left behind, so this whole rant is bullshit.
>>22589588NTA but no, you're just not giving any thought to anything. You have spacenoids who are a race of literal ubermensch that cut off the power for a majority of the Earth with their magic "fuck physics on a molecular level" projectors that they hide across the planet rather than keeping and using them in their own territory defensively and I sincerely ask of you, name one cultural output of naturals in SEED. The only musician, and one known throughout the Earth too, not just colonies, is Lacus. And the conflict of Zeon vs Federation was very much a haves vs have nots conflict, with Zeon being the ones starved for resources. The ham-fisted idiocy of the Earthlings is highlighted in developing F I V E fucking highly advanced prototype mobile suits, including complex retarded gimmicks like transformations, that NOBODY CAN PILOT. Seriously, why the fuck would you continue iterating and making shit more and more complex when you apparently have such an utterly fucked control scheme that the best a natural can do is shuffle akwardly? It's just insulting. But a teenage ubermensch can shank a bitch np.
>>22589603>you're just not giving any thought to anythingI sure am. The point is that the CE is not a "rich v. poor" conflict. Even G-Bitch had more of that.>and I sincerely ask of you, name one cultural output of naturals in SEEDI sincerely ask of you of any Gundam series, other than SEED, where "cultural output" has been relevant in any way.>The only musician, and one known throughout the Earth too, not just colonies, is Lacus.Incorrect. Lacus isn't a celebrity outside of PLANT. If the Earth Alliance officers in the Archangel were shocked to learn she was Siegel's daughter, do you think they would know that she was an idol over on her homeland? In Destiny, Meer makes her appearances exclusively for PLANT audiences; she's a non-factor for Earth-side characters like Connille.>And the conflict of Zeon vs Federation was very much a haves vs have nots conflict, with Zeon being the ones starved for resourcesCorrect, and I say this despite the fact that it makes zero fucking sense: even near-Earth asteroids have more mineral resources than whatever you can dig from the planet.>highly advanced prototype mobile suits, including complex retarded gimmicks like transformations, that NOBODY CAN PILOT. Seriously, why the fuck would you continue iterating and making shit more and more complex when you apparently have such an utterly fucked control scheme that the best a natural can do is shuffle awkwardly"Advanced hardware being hamstrung by inefficient software" has been a thing in engineering for a long time, in case you were not aware. Once the EA developed a Natural-use operating system, this stopped being an issue for them. There's also the thing about CE mobile suits being controlled through some sort of man-machine interface, but that's digging too deep into the woods.
>>22589452imao. So true.
>>22586825I always found it strange that among the auteur anime directors, Tomino has never really been able to resonate with broader audiences after Gundam. Other directors that "anime elitists" praise like Kon, Yuasa or Dezaki have way more mainstream visibility. People know Gundam, but even then it seems like most don't know Tomino Gundam. Not to mention his shows outside that. It doesn't help that he exclusively works in Mecha which is already an uphill battle in getting people to watch or even respect.I've always hoped that one day he'd get more visibility. I really loved King Gainer. After that I got into more Tomino stuff outside of Gundam.>>22586837>SEED>For ZoomersAnon the fans of that series were millennials, and SEED is a slog in the beginning, especially compared to modern works.
>quoting a random faggotShameful dispray [Sad news] bro.
>>22588127>Posting a non existed "forced meme" webm of a show they never watched Tomino is one of the main reasons why anime as an art of animation is taken seriously. And most auteurs of the medium look up to him & self respecting anime auteur keep ripping him off too. Cope.
>>22590345It's because Tomino writes his shows in a way antithetical to mainstream success. I think Turn A was the first show of his I watched, but the style didn't really hit me until I got around to King Gainer. G Reco really solidified it for me. The man writes these bizarre shows with oddly layered and subtle characterizations contrasted with goofy antics and off the walls action. Characters will say one thing, then just as easily say something contradictory and no attention will be focused on this. Stuff that would form the basis of entire episodes under other directors will just resolve itself off screen through the process of time. He'll make sure someone, somewhere is slipping or bumping their head. If you're not actively paying attention and working out what just happened in your head, you'll lose track of it all. I don't mean this to say "you need a high IQ to watch Tomino," but just that his style is so against the grain of everything else in modern media, much less anime, that it requires more from the audience than they may necessarily be ready to give because it just doesn't follow the usual symbolic shorthands.Gundam was fucking CANCELED before fan hype brought it back to life (and ruined Tomino's), remember. So it's not like he ever really broke out on his own to begin with. Not to discount his achievement in making Gundam popular, but just that it's not that weird he's not jacked off that much when you consider what actually happened. This mostly makes it really funny that it took... roughly 10 years before a non-Tomino Gundam anime got made with War in the Pocket. And immediately you can see why that directorial style would see more mainstream appeal. Except by then we'd had everything from MSG to CCA. And entire decade of Tomino defining gundam, but it'll keep none of the quirks of his actual style outside of his own projects. Just the checklist of themes.
>>22590345>which is already an uphill battle in getting people to watch or even respect.In the west, yeah. Because westerners don't know anything about the genre. I blame transformers for the misconceptions that they have. They think the rules of that being a toy commercial applies to gundam too (which is incorrect). Because selling merc to make a compelling show is what tomino pioneered. Even worst, without tomino (NOT miyazaki) anime wouldn't have gotten pushed to the respectable heights that it has now. >>22588168BASED>>22588275Bait
>>22590390I think anno attempted to take tomino's quirky style of writing & make it more palpable for main stream audiences. Annd boom anno's bizarre ver of tomino writing style finds wide success. Anno "gets" tomino & wants more people to understand & enjoy his works through his own anime. Like eva.
>>22590390>It's because Tomino writes his shows in a way antithetical to mainstream successA lot of creative minded people tend to enjoy tomino anime than those who tend to not be very imaginative themselves. Because creative people are open minded. Which is why in japan people like that praise tomino.
I'm getting sick of shit fligging with posters that are under 18 on this board.
>>22588698Too late! Drool!
>>22590345>Tomino has never really been able to resonate with broader audiences after Gundam. Other directors that "anime elitists" praise like Kon, Yuasa or Dezaki have way more mainstream visibility. People know Gundam, but even then it seems like most don't know Tomino Gundam.One of the reasons 0079 was a success because Tomino had other writers and producers to percolate his wilder ideas.Fast forward to G-Reco and we find, storytelling-wise, a fucking mess. It looks much prettier than the vast majority of TV anime (see attached), and has interesting ideas/characters, but it's an incomprehensible mess. Not even shows with hundreds of characters like Wan Piss expect its audiences to be making notes, mental or on paper.HE NEEDS AN EDITOR. And not just him personally. Every author and director needs one to make the material shine and work for average audiences, and the number of successful creators that have fallen through the curse of success is staggering, but the best example is George Lucas and his (mis)handling of the Prequels.>It doesn't help that he exclusively works in Mecha which is already an uphill battle in getting people to watch or even respect.This too. Perhaps Tomino could get more appeal if he had done anything that isn't a robot show. His attachment to the genre has stunted his potential for further growth.>>22590390>If you're not actively paying attention and working out what just happened in your head, you'll lose track of it all>his style is so against the grain of everything else in modern media, much less anime, that it requires more from the audience than they may necessarily be ready to give because it just doesn't follow the usual symbolic shorthands.The problem with this assessment is that Tomino said, repeatedly, that he made G-Reco for kids, not gunota. We can see it in the more light-hearted moments, but it's a complex story to follow.
>>22588576ZZ has what is easily the least interesting MC and the most annoying main cast of any UC show. Like I will take Kou Uraki over Judau.
>>22590407>had other writers and producers to percolate his wilder ideas.Oh stop trying to reuse boring as George Lucas shit on him, which is wrong there too. Gundam's mainstream success is down to the toys and war stories have a generally wide appeal. The dedicated fans that changed what being an anime fan meant in Japan and enduring legacy is cause he has a certain way of writing characters. >Not even shows with hundreds of characters like Wan Piss expect its audiences to be making notesGreco is incomprehensible cause I had to think isn't the killer point you expected.
>>22590407HP Love craft didn't have an audience until decades after his death. Because of his wilder ideas. Readers in his time period thought his stories were "incomprehensible mess" as you described. They apparently made little sense to people in the 1930's. Tomino is still alive & found success in his life time. Lovecraft died penniless & broke. In comparison to him, tomino is very fine. People came around to loving & appreciating love craft now & i expect the same to happen to tomino but to a lesser degree. Basically: Long tail recognition.
>>22590413Him comparing him to lacus is a terrible & flawed analogy. A lot of his stuff tend to be called incomprehensible. Just look at the fan reactions to the prequels. >Gundam's mainstream success is down to the toys and war stories have a generally wide appeal. The dedicated fans that changed what being an anime fan meant in Japan and enduring legacy is cause he has a certain way of writing characters.This. Tomino anime are the biggest & most important factor to the success & recognition of otaku fandom culture.
What's with the walls of text SHEEESH
>>22590419>SHEEESH
>be me>be 35>don't let the older or younger generations live rent free in my head and instead come to /m/ to talk about robotsDamn it's that easy.
>>22590423Fr fr
>>22590414Didn't Tomino say it'd be 50 years before Turn A became a hit? He was half right because only now does the entry get a high level of respect. Not everything Tomino made is necessarily a ticking clock that will one day be adored. Yet its hard not to notice how many shows had the reputation as the bad one, only to find success later. Not only cause of his unique style but how he does experiment. Maybe G-Reco won't be one of those shows. Its a weirder nut to crack that does ask more of the audience than your average show. However if you'd asked me 20 years ago if ZZ reputation will ever improve in the west I'd have said no. So who knows maybe Garzey's Wing is kino in 2167.
>>22590426I am not sure about the Turn A statement, Tomino and Yas recall thinking that 0079 was a decade ahead in The Making of Gundam.I think that phenomenon (of works being disliked and then reevaluated after long periods of time) stems from the lower quality of most anime (videogames, music, insert any other media) released nowadays, so people dig in the past almost out of desperation for something done with a bit more care.
>>22590426I think from the beginning Turn-A was propped up by the hardcore fanbase an unusual amount at least looking at games representation, it never became actually mainstream though.And if anything ZZ's actual presence has somewhat diminished over the years, in spite of Unicorn referencing it fairly heavily. Heck, in the NHK popularity poll, which was the largest and most mainstream one to see the tastes of the Japanese audience, ZZ ranked lower than V, X and Turn-A, while it used to be treated as the third biggest show after Zeta.
>>22586825Filtered.
>>22590407>0079 was a successIt flopped and ended its run early.If anything, it found more success in movie format, but it was MORE Tomino than the series itself.
>>22590413???
>>22591751Okay i misread sorry.
>>22590398>anno attempted to take tomino's quirky style of writing & make it more palpable for main stream audiencesNo.
>>22591773How come?
Tomino said children are the future.
Speaking of, is it better to watch Reconguista in the movie form? I heard it's identical to the show but with more stuff, better pacing, and better animationIs there any advantage at all to watching the tv series instead?
>>22594912One of the few times he was wrong about something.
>>22587212Jesus's sister actually won the most recent poll
>>22598821sneed
>>22598821I remember having to take notes and re-watch scenes just to understand the plot outline and character motivations.For example, in the 1st episode, Bellri shouts out “SU Cord!” while charging at the enemy - this makes it seem like the name of his weapon but he’s actually saying “Please God!” because he’s part of a religion worships the Space Umbilical Cord. There are so many of these tiny plot details across the series that never get explicitly explained.It’s been so long since I’ve watched the series that I can’t tell which scenes are new from the movies but I can wholeheartedly say don’t watch the series unless you’re actively prepared to decipher dialogue.
>>22599021>having to take notesLmaooo! Use your head!
