>Most guys want nothing to do with you>Chasers who are bottoms (God bless them) tend to be of extremely bad quality. They see you as nothing but a penis while top chasers at least see a tranny for the autistic twinkhon beauty she is>can’t relate sexually to womenNone of them top and its seen as unfeminine>other mtfs and femboys fucking love youThis one is based actually.>Most ftms dont want you eitherI love st4t so this one suck the most of allBut really I made this thread to discuss WHY bottom chasers tend to be so awful. I just dont get it. How can a sexual position preference somehow create such an immense difference in how you treat trannies? All of them are NEETs, their hobbies are CONSOOMING, their social skills are zero, their loyalty is none. Are there any bottom chasers who are worth dating or should I become gay?
I'm a good quality chaser bottom and I feel offended you would write me off like that.
>>35496009>They see you as nothing but a peniswhat? no, I like the woman first, I couldn't like the dick without liking the woman it is attached to can't answer why some are bad tho, I try to avoid other "chaser"
>>35496016Do you also see a huge difference in your fellow bottom chasers compared to top chasers or am I going crazy?>>35496044Almost every intro I get is full of futa, porn, girldick mentions and whatnot. I dont like getting asked about my day but some things are too honest and direct
>>35496099>Almost every intro I get is full of futa, porn, girldick mentions and whatnot.yeah not something I like to do lol, i don't want to think about that kind of stuff if I don't have some kind of emotional bond going onwould just be weird to try to sext or whatever they are doing out of nowhere like that
>>35496151Wanting to sext is fine, I’m just left feeling awful by those hypercoombrain messages. Makes me feel my only worth is fulfilling someones fetish
>>35496009I'm a switch chaser. I'm not neet, I have a few hobbies and I'd be loyal. I am a bit autistic though.
>>35496099you are going crazy, bottom chasers get a bad rep because of transbians
Bumping for the glory of top tranners
>>35498233Your bump is very appreciated
>>35496009I've been saying this for years and nobody listens. Top mtf's are the least valued partners to the vast majority of them.
>>35496257>Makes me feel my only worth is fulfilling someones fetishnah definitely not the case, i appreciate that you're a top but it doesn't define you
>>35496009hey I just seen this thread cause it got bumped, I'm not a chaser but I'm a submissive twink and I'd be interested in dating you. My hobbies right now are like music (writing and playing), technology(mostly software stuff), and going for runs outside. But I also play video games occasionally. If you're close maybe we can chill.
>>35500465For real. Bottoms are super appreciated and spoiled. Tops get nothing even though they’re technically high demand
>>35500495chill bro lol
>>35500495>bottom submissive twinkWill definitely troon 3 months into relationship (totally still would if ur close tho lol)
>>35500559the bar for dating seems to be set low if you take repper lol
have you considered actually being normal and detransitioning? serious question
>>35500568don't be transphobic anon
>>35500559>Will definitely troon 3 months into relationship nta, but the only time i would consider such thing is when i stop being qt. boymoding forever would be nice lol
>>35500559I'm not a repper.. just a bi guy.
>>35500576>boymoding forever would be nicehahah thats what im doing lol, u should probably get on e bf u stop being a qt tho <3
>>35500600>u should probably get on e bf u stop being a qt thoshould have plenty of time before i have to play around with my endocrine system
to the top girl of the thread, what kind of bf are you looking for?
>>35500495I love going outside and submissive twinksI’m near Den Haag>>35500568I do have a detrans kink and pass better than you so lol>>35500643I like ftms the most. Guys that have similarish values to me is important, I don’t quite care if we play the same video games or not. Someone that I can vibe with well and live together with
>>35500836 I'm from US but I am moving to Germany in the future.
>>35500836the number of mtf top in the netherland, especially the one who like ftm, seems to be really high, i wonder why lolbut yeah, obviously having someone you vibe with is really important
>>35500852maybe I can go to the Netherlands instead..
>>35500836>picgiwtiwm, but i'm a cis twink
>>35496009arent most chasers bottoms? I feel like yoy shouldnt have much trouble finding a chaser. It qlso sounds like you get your knowledge of what ftms want only from 4chan. theres plenty that want a mtf top
>>35501181>arent most chasers bottoms?not even close
bump
>>35501181the vast majority of chaser are top, people just like to be mad at the bottom at all time
>>35496009this whole top vs bottom thing is absurd to me, but I'm a mostly straight man. I actually prefer to be, physically, on the bottom. my heart seems to be silly, and it helps.
>>35503914you're weird man
>>35496009i love top mtfs <3 im sorry you're frustrated though, i would have thought you'd have it easy considering how in demand that type is t.mtf bottom>>35503914>I'm a mostly straight man>this whole top vs bottom thing is absurd to meuh yeah i would think so
>tfw no loving top mtf gf
>be mommypilled soft fem passoid top with clocky voice>trans women fucking love me>cis queer women fucking love me>enbies fucking love me but I'm not into them so whatever>men fucking love me also but are irrelevant bc I'm not into them>chasers fucking love me but I have higher standards than thatBeing a top mtf is based, I'm so glad my childhood trauma manifested in making me a mommy dommy gf and not a turbobottom.
>tfw no evil top mtf gf
>>35506732>>men fucking love me also but are irrelevant bc I'm not into themrip us
>>35506743Take estrogen and then we'll talk
>>35506732So based, I just love to see it and I'm happy for you.
>>35506779Oh btw I'm in a monogamous long term relationship with a boymoder who I'm trying to gently push into girlmoding :)
>>35506758can't say i'm interested by that, my ass is already fat enough without hormones
>>35506812Fair enough
>>35506812an ass is never fat enough.take the pills.take the injections.become DUMMY thicc
>>35507122stfu
>>35506805Based groomermommy. Make her the prettiest princess in the world and take good care of her
>>35496009Im a handsome Muscle Bottom/Switch that dreams of finding sexy, big cocked transwomen to top me. Impossible where I live.
>>35507357Yes'm
>>35496009Top casers are based, it is good they exist
>>35506732>be another mommypilled soft fem passoid top with clocky voice> trans women see me as a sex object> cis queer women see me as a sex object for men>enbies see me as a sex object>men see me as a sex object>chasers see me as a sex objectIf you aren't a whore, settling down and finding a long term relationship where you're seen as a person beyond your dick as basically impossible. I literally only want to be in a long term relationship with someone who loves me and sees me as a human being ;~;
>>35508649Just find a cute trans lady to marry!
>>35508669see above>trans women see me as a sex object
>>35496009fat bottomed chasers are rare
>>35496009start talking to more "top" chasers who fit your ideal and push their boundariesif they dont fold and admit they're a bottom and let you top no worries, move onif they do fold you get what you wanttop chasers are as rare as top MtFs (different life stages)
>>35503816the vast majority of chasers claim to be tops because they're insecure, but they'll bottom the second they meet someone dominant who pushes their boundariesif they weren't so insecure they'd just transition instead of chasingtop til the 3rd date is a common problem
>>35510530>the vast majority of chasers claim to be tops because they're insecure, but they'll bottom the second they meet someone dominant who pushes their boundaries>trans women arent rapey sex pes-
>top mtfLarp. HRT makes pp not work, how are you suppose to top? With a strap-on? May aswell get a cis female at that point
>>35510650Maybe if you were less brainwormed to hell you'd top and then not atrophe from regular use idiot. Bottom mtfs who lose function and claim its required from mtfs are coping.
>>35510536chasers are rapey sex pests, turnabout is fair play
>>35500836Ooo, Dutch (mostly) bottom chaser here, although I keep falling for turbo bottoms. Where do you usually look for partners? From what I’ve heard from exes, chasers on most dating apps are rather poor. But finding someone from a mutual hobby or whatever is already hard enough for cis normies..
>>35510530nah, take your meds
>>35496044Nigga please reread out loud what you just typed to your close family. You need help and a bullet.
>>35496009I think a lot of bottoms are awful regardless of designation. I really don't understand why this is though.Bottoms regardless of male, female, cis, trans, nb, etc. on average have been the most selfish and weird people I've ever dealt with. Like idk people meme about only going for switches or tops but the overwhelming negativity you see with online bottoms makes it fee valid.
>>35511859cry me a river
>>35511874Your family just wants you to be normal. Hopefully they find a cure for your abnormal pornography addiction. We are all rooting for you.
>>35511933polcel thinking they make epic own while saying retarded shit like that will never not be funny
>>35496009How do you form a sexual relationship with someone?What do you say to them exactly?
>>35511935It just upsetting to see that overconsumption of fetish pornography has overtaken this poor man’s mind. I just really feel for the parents, you know?
>>35511933>>35511983i don't even watch porn lolbut let me ask you a question, what do your parents think of you sitting in your room all day trying to debate all thing trannies? are they proud of it? are you sure the "feeling for the parents" thing isn't just projection of you inability to make your own parents proud of you?
>>35496009Two reasons, first society teaches us to be tops, second because bottoming requires so much preparation to do it cleanly, you either must put in a lot of effort or be disgusting and don't care. And the latter is much more prevalent than the former
>>35512029>bottoming requires so much preparationtake 15 minutes at best
>>35496009Find a bisexual who is vers and make him your bottom bitch.I wouldn't consider myself to be a bottom chaser and wouldn't offer it to a tranny (knowing that most trannies are put of by this), but I'd at least try it and if she offered it
>>35512007You misunderstand this interaction as a debate. This is like when you see a gross homeless man sleeping in his own shit. You can’t do much to help but you can feel compassion. I’m not heartless anon.
>>35512059>dodging the questionguess i know the answer then
>>35512046>Find a bisexual who is vers and make him your bottom bitchi wish to be that bottom bitch
>>35511872>bottoms are the most faggy fagsoh really
none of these tranners out here's dicks work thonot even ED pills can save us
>>35512128>forgetting that toys exist
>>35512128bro got no idea how any of this work
>>35512128stop projecting your medical problems onto the rest of us, limpdick
>>35512128I get rock hard as a progesterone taking passoid who's been on E for 8 years. I don't futamax or do anything extra, just kept using it.
Hell na how did they get a backpack on a bear
>>35512128STOP this psyop. My dick still gets rock hard after 7+ years. I hate limpdick copes
>>35512461what is futamax
>>35496009hi do you like twinks
>>35513250what's up with twink and loving top trans woman so much?t.also a twink
>>35496009I'm not awful I promise. I'm tall and nice and in my early 20's and have never used a degenerate dating app like Grindr and I'm a virgin. I'm sorry that most are either degenerates who sleep with dozens of people or are wierd middle aged men cheating on their wives but I just want a nice gf - why is she impossible to find : (
>>35508649I'd unironically give you my disc if you wanted to chat or whatever I like girls topping but I also don't want sex unless I really like and trust the person and could fall in love with them. There's some stupid word like "demisexual" or whatever but I refuse to use it since what I feel should be seen as normal and degenerate sexhavers should be the ones to give themselves the neo-sexuality label but whatever. We'd probably not click anyway though but good luck I hope you find the bf you deserve
>>35508649>settling down and finding a long term relationship where you're seen as a person beyond your dick as basically impossiblebullshit
>>35508649>cis queer women see me as a sex object for menWhat did she mean by this
>>35512043desu this, my bottom is such a lazy bitch about prep stuff. Never wants to have anal bc she’d have to prep, but also refuses to take any of the different fiber supplements i bought for her so she doesn’t have to. Hell, i don’t even bottom and i take my fiber supplements every day for a better bathroom experience. Why’s it so hard to get a bottom to do anything bros.>t. mtf top
>>35515393>also refuses to take any of the different fiber supplementswhy? i'm not even bottoming for anyone and still take some, psyllium taste like crap but it's not difficult to take lol
>>35512839Taking supplos and stuff to keep function and shooting ropes despite being a passoid.
>>35515419i dont fucking know anon i bought her the powder and she didn’t like that so i bought her the pills and the gummies but still can’t (won’t?) remember to take any of them but also refuses to douche. It is literally beyond me, I take fiber every day too and she’ll take it when i offer it to her when i take it but not on her own. Truly frustrating. it’s been half a year since we’ve had anal bc of this…
>>35515476she sound really annoying with that stuff, i'm sorry for you anonette
>>35515493Thanks for your sympathy anon, proposing solutions and having her still not want to is beginning to make methink she may be straight or cheating on me.
>>35515545i'm guessing you already tried to confront her on all that and didn't get any answer
>>35515652yuh, to be fair, she also seems too ineffective to actually cheat on me. Like that would require a level of like motivation and drive for sex im not sure she has, so i kinda doubt it desu. But, that exact scenario has happened to me b4 so who’s to say. to be fair, when we did have sex she did complain about my dick being too big a lot which is just like a skill issue on her part i think (i’m like maybe 7in erect and not very girthy. Ive fucked plenty of bitches and dudes and never had a single complaint about it)
>>35515745not saying you should or anything like that, i don't know anything about your relationship after all but since you seem sexually frustrated, have you ever thought of breaking up?
>>35514864You’re missing the point. The fact that even you, a self proclaimed demisexual, immediately offers to go on a glorified discord date to “see if we click” is a glorious description of this problem. Rather than us being seen as full fledged people capable of inner thought, most trannies and bottom guys see us as prizes to be won. Being the object of attraction of people is great as long as you’re single, but then people ignore you once you’re paired off bc you’re “off limits”. If you hadn’t brought up the sexual angle and just offered to be bros this discussion would be much different
>>35515790Of course I’ve considered it anon, but our personal chemistry is actually perfect and that’s so rare with trannies (as most are actually insane). I want to solve the problem but every time I bring it up, she start sobbing and asking if I’m gonna break up with her and then by the time i finish explaining that i’m not going to break up with her if we solve the sex problem she doesn’t have energy to keep talking about the whole “no sex thing”
>>35515922>but every time I bring it up, she start sobbing and asking if I’m gonna break up with her and then by the time i finish explaining that i’m not going to break up with her if we solve the sex problem she doesn’t have energy to keep talking about the whole “no sex thing”not gonna lie, that sounds like emotional manipulation
>>35515950It very obviously is, I’m aware of this, she’s not doing it intentionally though so I don’t hold it against her. I don’t feel like i did anything wrong after these convos either, I’m just irritated, and we can’t even hate fuck to let me get that irritation at her out.
>>35515745She doesn’t need warming up for chad, it just goes in and she automatically moans
>>35516020>she’s not doing it intentionallycan't never be sure about that kind of stuff honestlybut well, sounds like you're going to be frustrated for a long time if that continue
>>35516020How about you bottom for her?
>>35516033Ironically, this may be true, part of me thinks she may just be unironically agp and getting fucked by a passoid isn’t doing it for her considering she used to bottom for dudes and hasn’t mentioned any issues with it. She also doesn’t have physical dysphoria so *shrug* idk man i don’t believe in that stuff tho.
>>35516082I thought you were cism? Oh well doesn’t matter. If she got too strong of a meta she might prefer guys.. but then again they tend to be attracted to women the most. If you really feel like giving up you can always masc yourself up and see how she reacts
>>35516047she categorically refuses to top. even when i chained her down, gagged her, and used her cock it was still too “dominant”. She also has no drive to get srs which would change things for me desu.
Where should a mtf top go to look for hookups? There's like a hundred different apps and I don't really want to go through each one only to find nobody's interested.
>>35516114my guy we are in the top mtf thread… context dude.
>>35516114this got to be the worst advice i've seen on here in a long time lol
>>35516140just go to a gay bar and pickup cute chicks, simple as.
>>35516140i would have said you could probably pick up bottom chaser from here but from what i've seen, most of us want relationship and not hookups
>>35516162Last time I went there were too many straight girls there. Do I need to be more visibly lesbian? Wear a flag pin or something?
>>35516192Wrong gay bar then, you’re at a gay themed straight bar. The neighborhood haunt gay bar is the one you want. Should be less than 10% “tourists”
>>35516141You avatarfagged as Haile Selassie>>35516145If its over why not try mascing it up and raping her? She probably didn’t mind Chad doing the same
>>35516236And??? he’s a silly little drip king. bc every tranny has to be so insecure that they HAVE to avatarfag with an anime girl.
>>35516269No it makes sense. Tops avatarfag as normal things instead of anime girls
>>35516236>If its over why not try mascing it up and raping her?because why a tranny would detrans for that? also just in case you didn't know, rape is not cool dude
>>35516211Time to look for this neighborhood haunt. Thanks, anon.
>>35510746Nta but proper dosages of HRT make it impossible to get hard enough to top
>>35517473not how that works
>>35517473I get my levels checked regularly anon, everything’s surpressed to hell. Still hard as a rock. Seethe harder bottom.
>>35515852I'm sorry, but I have irl friends and if even if I did add you as just a "friend" it would be dishonest of me to do so, since invariably I would be talking to you with the view of potentially dating. I'm not the sort of person who cynically makes friends with women to try to sleep with them; it's better to be up front about these things imo. I'm sorry that you feel that way tho. also I didn't even mean a "date" just like talking or whatever or maybe playing games idk. I've added other people before with no intention of dating them just because we had stuff in common on /tg/ or /v/ or /lit/ but since you're in *this thread* which is explicitly about sexual compatibility I brought it up. >Rather than us being seen as full fledged people capable of inner thought, most trannies and bottom guys see us as prizes to be wonI mean I totally agree with Kant's philosophy about seeing people as ends and never as a means to an end even if I think a lot of Kant's philosophy is made self redundant.>Being the object of attraction of people is great as long as you’re single, but then people ignore you once you’re paired off bc you’re “off limits”.Once you're parried off though you are "off limits" because you have found the person that completes you, which means that you and that other person will be sufficient unto each other rather than be looking for something else. I am of course friends with people in relationships but I wouldn't seek out such people to meet.>If you hadn’t brought up the sexual angle and just offered to be brosAgain it's the nature of the thread, I'd want to speak to you because we are potentially compatible in one regard based on this thread - if we were compatible in tastes in literature or whatever I'd make the same offer to talk more regardless of who you are. Anyway sorry if I came across badly and all the best
>>35517997>Once you're parried off though you are "off limits" because you have found the person that completes you, which means that you and that other person will be sufficient unto each other rather than be looking for something else. I am of course friends with people in relationships but I wouldn't seek out such people to meet.mfw bottom men somehow find a way to be sexist even to dominant trannies :/ bud you can be friends with women who have boyfriends, were you aware that. This isn’t ancient greece, once a woman gets married she doesn’t have to just stay hidden in the house and only talk to other paired off women
It's so good seeing another mtf top, I love you Selassie-anon
>>35518171>mfw bottom men somehow find a way to be sexistIt's not sexist it applies to both parties in a relationship regardless. Of course I am friends with people who are in relationships but I wouldn't ever be interested in them romantically. I believe in nonplatonic ideals of marriage, so yeah it's informed by ancient greece, but it's not about shutting one party away: but if I am to be friends with people in relationships its with the understanding that I am friends with both parties who make up two bodies of one united being.
>>35518206Same tripfag, i miss hanging out with my tranny top bros, it just feels like everytime i make top friends we hang out somewhere and the whole place turns to shit after like a few weeks
>>35517506>>35517811I can almost guarantee you are either getting hondosed or you still have male levels of DHT
>>35518340i can guarantee you you don't understand what you're talking about and should just stop talking about it
>>35518297>everytime i make top friends we hang out somewhere and the whole place turns to shit after like a few weeksnta but is that really an issue? any idea why that happen?
>>35518227What the fuck are you taking about?
>>35518340Tested, female range. You’re a silly goose y’know that? We’re not stupid y’know. If you like topping you’re going to put effort into keeping function through supplos and regular use. I will happily keep telling dudes that i’m unique in being able to do this though :3 I’ll look out for my hats sisters don’t worry don’t worry
>>35518393> really an issue? why.Every single top hang out group ive ever been in falls apart bc people let in bottoms straight up or let their bottom gfs in and the whole hang out place becomes filled with bottom posting and bottoms saying stuff like >>35518340. Especially if any of the tops have a high bitch turnover rate we become outnumbered pretty quick. Eventually you can’t say stuff like “i love how dudes grunt when you put it in” without at least 5 bottoms telling you how “gross” that is.
>>35518297Fucking kek that imageThere is just something so drama-free about tops. Truly a blast to have them around
>>35518403Ignore it it's bottom babble
>>35518519oh i see, so their partners are just being stupid and ruin the whole mood, that's unfortunate
>>35518621hard agree bottoms are always so concerned abt something, while me and the top bros just vibe and then have the ocassional bitch sesh.>>35518698Yeah but no one wants to be that cunt and say “no your bitch isn’t allowed in our super special club”. I tried having a “bottom jail” we’d keep them in one time but that didn’t even work bc it just turned them on and then everyone just posted in there instead.
>>35496009>other mtfs and femboys fucking love yougood enough for me
>>35518698>>35518519Maybe if you weren't promiscuous and just found someone nice instead of having a "a high bitch turnover rate" you wouldn't have these problems
>>35518795You keep posting Selaisse, whyyy.
>>35518886bruv does not read thread b4 replying kek. What do you want us to do ban every slut who’s fun to hang out with?
>>35518886bro i'm not one of said top and i don't have a "high bitch turnover rate" either, not sure why you included me in this lol>>35518795i don't think it even need to be a "bottom free club", i mean it depends i guess, if i was seeing my gf saying "she love plapping my ass" everyday in group chat, it might get a bit weird
>>35518985I have a whole folder full of selaisse photos from a presentation on his complex legacy I gave in undergrad. Ive decided to make it everyone’s problem by avatarfagging with him bc he’s such a silly lil guy with good drip
>>35518886This is cope kekGet some bitches yourself
>>35518988Yes>>35519004Sorry I apologise>>35519029I'm a virgin lol i'm probably going to die alone : 3
>>35519004I agree though i was mostly just trying to explain why it’s hard without the group being an organization of your local top friends. There are like 10 in my city and we all know each other and used to have regular bar nights but haven’t in a while :/
>>35519064>There are like 10 in my city and we all know each other and used to have regular bar nights but haven’t in a while :/that's sad to hear, hope you will manage to have something with them soon enough
>>35519084Yeah it’s nice to have friends who you know under no circumstances would fuck you. bros you can just drink with and then collapse on a couch together and not have it be weird. Fuck, maybe i’ll assemble the bros actually.
>>35519117>Fuck, maybe i’ll assemble the bros actually.go for it, you got nothing to lose by trying
>>35496009bump for my girlies
>>35496009What if I want to bottom specifically for the sensation of analI'm not submissive, my ideal partner is one who will let me play with their body (feel their shoulder blades, move their muscles and shit)I'm some kind of anatomy freak like Jeffrey Dahmer
>>35523526i dont think any sane top actually promotes the one drop rule. If you take dick (very) occasionally i'm sure most ppl will think its fine. I, for instance, think occasionally bottoming a little bit for a guy can be fun during power struggle sex. Top on anatomypilled anon.
>>35523526>I'm some kind of anatomy freak like Jeffrey Dahmerbruh
>>35519117>maybe i’ll assemble the brosdo it
>>35518683>>35518403No what anon said is true. More tranners need to read classical philosophy
>>35496009What are your autistic interests nona
>>35496009my experience has been shit. i only like the very well passing / pretty mtfs or cis girls. i had to fight other "tops" over the prettiest mtf, when they secretly took it up the ass. like what kind of top are you. anyway i win the girl over but then i constantly have to fend off so-called tops from my girl. they keep sliding into her dms and shes too appeasing. constant drama. never dating the top echelon of mtfs again. all attention seeking degenerates, cant even be happy with getting picked down daily as they demand. men don't even last as long as I do. the fuck do you want.so id date a cis girl, im attractive mtf but they just go for chad. yes im incel to tranny pipeline but doesn't matter im hot now and am exclusively a top. how do i meet these mythical 0.00001% cis girls that would consider dating the cursed mtf witch.
>>35496009i just want love anonhit me up and we can be happy togetherguaranteed
>>35529614Any recommendations?
>>35530223Avoid stoicism because it's cucked and reddit tier. Start with the Iamblichan curriculum, you can miss the Aristotle commentaries but definitely read plato. Iliad, Odysee and Aeneid (athough the Odysee is very boring sometimes imo) too, although not before you've read about verisimilitude theory. Plotinus's Enneads are good too. Philo of Alexandria is interesting too if you want a Pre-Christian Abrahamic view of classical philosophy. Pythagoras is interesting and if you want to get into hermeticism I'd recommend reading about him and his cult in Sicily. Virgil is good too for his other poems aside from the Aeneid, I'm sure there's some /lit/ guides or something you can look up.
