In the book which is obviously entirely based on one side, Prince blamed several things. He said the State department assigned impossible tasks and NDA’s made it so that they could not publicly contest accusations nor have things like dash cams. Partisan politics hated the war in Iraq and needed to assign blame when you can’t criticize the military. Military contracting was a controversial subject like how when space travel was contracted out to SpaceX, now both are very normal and publicly known things. Also once Saddam was defeated one of the first policies implemented was to disband the Iraqi military, so you now have ~375,000 pissed off jobless soldiers with a bunch of spare time and a stockpile of weapons that went everywhere once they knew they were gonna lose the war, turning Iraq into an IED filled hell hole that was going to have its own plans. All of which seems to check out. My question is, were there shit decisions made from Backwater’s leadership/business choices that could have resulted in a better outcome for them or was the 2003 invasion, and all the butterfly effects that went along with it, make it impossible for anyone to be seriously involved in any significant way and come out unscathed reputation wise?
>>61441375Nothing. They changed the name and the company still exists to this day.
>>61441381I heard they were somehow affiliated with Wagner.
>>61441375Eric Prince being a retard
>>61441375While the policy to bar former iraqi soldiers/politicians from running and taking jobs was retarded, blackwater was even more retarded. The military themselves hated them for being assholes and being the reason to why many iraqis have disdained towards American troops. They also like to cause trouble within the military. Aside from that, their downfall was primarily the lack of control of what their personnel does out in the open. They got enough flak to the point of rebranding multiple times.
>>61441456>The military themselves hated them for being assholes and being the reason to why many iraqis have disdained towards American troopsThat and people forget that Blackwater was patrolling New Orleans and taking guns.
>>61441480Forgot abouut that fiasco.
>>61441375Erik Prince oversold the capability of his company signed a bunch of NDA's and his guys ate shit because of it. State makes a great scapegoat for his fuck up and he gets to change the name and slink away because his friends in the MIC owed him favors for keeping the costs low
>>61441375>assigned impossible tasks and NDA’s made it so that they could not publicly contest accusations nor have things like dash camsHoly delulu Batman.PmCs had the easiest fucking jobs in Iraq AT ALL TIMES, nobody ever banned cameras, only release of video or audio without approval, what a lying whiny shit head.Blackwater put unready hopped up grease balls on duty without any kind of accountability or leadership and tried to cover it up when they chilled out.Which they did on the regular.Remember Fallujah? Guess why that whole shitshow started... That's right, Blackwater fuck stains where raping women, shooting men and boys and robbing locals until they cracked and started an insurgency.FALLUJAH NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED without Erik 'I am an Epstein global elite' Prince and his assholes on parade.
>>61441480What the fuck they were? I thought it was just Nasty Girls doing that.>>61442235Do you have any sources about Blackwater fucking around in Fallujah anon? I'd like to learn more.
blackwater was involved in MAJOR theft of ordinance from bragg from 03-06. intl organized crime, mass grave in johnsonville near their offices in cameron, and lots of drugs too. they threw a shitload of lobelia nogs in jail for finding the hidden trucks of machineguns.
>>61442263A lot of it got hushyhushied but there are lots of reports at the time that paint the picture. Start reading news about Fallujah mid-2003 and you'll get the idea.This report from 2007 gives you a good place to start digging. Look up the names, books, and sources and do some legwork. Wikileaks has some shit on it I'll post when I get back in town if the thread is still up>PROTIP>do not browse wikileaks online download it from a proxy and search on your own PC https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-dark-truth-about-blackwater/
>>61442714>do not browse wikileaks online download it from a proxy and search on your own PCWhy?
>>61442235>That's right, Blackwater fuck stains where raping women, shooting men and boys and robbing locals until they cracked and started an insurgencyYea, it also caused the iraqis to mistake blackwater for American troops. Most atrocities in iraq weren't committed by American troops, but by security contractors, insurgents being dickheads and iraqi security forces.
Prince fancies himself as a soldier of fortune but military people loathe him for carpetbagging into wars and trying to pitch plans to let him take the wheel. The problem is that he hasn't seen a concrete wall he didn't drive directly into at high speed. He's also extremely litigious and threatens to sue journalists all the time for blowing his harebrained schemes.
>>61442772>Yea, it also caused the iraqis to mistake blackwater for American troops.Oh, it gets better, some of the insurgents just saw Blackwater's security guards as "CIA." https://youtu.be/9yCONEdFgWo?si=4QFtS9ctQV9BUVd3&t=4185
>>61442882I guess thats where their stigma about the CIA comes from. They think mercenaries are CIA in origin, probably due to their plain clothed nature and funny patches
>>61441381How come every time they change their name, their name gets more lame?
>>61442263It wasn't the Guard at all. It was Blackwater and both local and state police.
>>61441424it really is this simple
>>61441375Democrats trying to do something to curry votes for 08 presidiental electons and the fact they were used as ERTs for the US military.But mostly they disrespected the rankings
>>61441381They don't do PMC work anymore.
Also Eeben Barlow has indirectly referred to them as amateurs many times and some other uncouth names.
>>61442714Fake news written by Leftist jernos.
>>61442235One of my old first sergeants was a motor-t in Iraq and he said Blackwater or some other PMC tried to muscle their way into the convoy escorting business as part of a deal with KBR, who contracted most of the civilian truck drivers there.Apparently they did one convoy escort and did such a poor job that it became the only convoy in the entire war that got completely overrun and destroyed. After that they brought back the motor-t and MPs
>>61441375Well most've what is written here and: money. You have to be an idiot to think a guy like Prince cares about anything else than money and power.
>>61448207>cares about anything else than money and power.Look at his entire family dude, his sister is Betsy Devos and he's related to the creators of Amway. His entire family is almost a budget version of the Enclave.
>>61442263>What the fuck they were? I thought it was just Nasty Girls doing that.
>>61448271Blackwater is probably the reason to why you should be careful when hiring veterans. As much people praise vets, some of them don't deserve the position due to mental health/lack of discipline reasons regardless of their experience.
>>61441480>>61442263They were also in Puerto Rico. This time without any insignias.
>>61441381They changed the name to Xe and Academi. They no longer exist and what was formerly known as Blackwater is now under Triple Canopy.
>>61448271This guy looks like if /k/ had its own "shit was so cash" meme.
>>61441375Blackwater can go fuck itself up the ass. Im more disappointed on what happened to Executive Outcomes. It did its job well, and really well until they got more involved with that fuck up Simon Mann and Sandline. Also getting involved with other countries mines, and oil facilities tend to fuck things up real quick.
>>61441375Obama became president so the Kickback scheme changed and Blackwater weas villified to speed up the removal of kickbacks to the Buch and Cheney families and convert them to the Obama and Biden families.
>>61449247And Triple Canopy? It’s Constellis now.
>>61449400>Erik Prince>giving money to someone he considered a gay Kenyan cryptomuslimWhy do you lie on a Machurian yak shaving symposium?What's in it for you?
>>61441375>Sign an NDA>Cry about signing an NDA>Assigned impossible task>Accepts impossible task and says they will do it>You can't criticize the military>Yes you can and yes they wereHmmm, seems like alot of their problems were with their leadership
>>61449292Lol my first thought too>>61448271Years ago i had a layover in atlanta, met a gentlenog with a gimp foot who helped me get some booze. We got a pizza together for helping a brother out and he claimed him amd his kin got into a shootout with some cia kill squads in nola. I wonder if it was actually these fags
>>61441375Is there anything, and I mean ANYTHING, more embarrassing than being a modern "private military contractor"? Larping as a modern day mercenaries while failing at almost every single contract that has ever been given to them besides some rare examples (Executive outcomes, and even they disbanded), whether it be niggwater or fagner they've all been raped bitches in actual warfare. Erik Prince is also a huge faggot who isn't even respected in the industry he's most known for, taking anything he says into consideration is a retarded move from the get-go.
>>61449877>besides some rare examples (Executive outcomesEO was even more retard than BW. Trying to play both sides of war will get everyone to hate you.
>>61448271Is this even legal? Private mercenaries patrolling streets, acting as law enforcement and taking guns seems like something highly illegal? Why didn't Americans Fallujah these shits? Just goes to show Iraqi ragheads have bigger balls than mutts.
>>61442714Why is Sam Fisher gonna break into my house and crack wise? Every literal who on the planet has browsed Wiki Leaks.
>>61450288you figured this now?The average bubba type lives in his fantasy world where he's so badass he can even fight the American government. The truth is if the local Walmart shuts down, he's dead in one week. Those people unironically comparing themselves with the towelheads or even worse, the gooks. always cracked me up.
>>61449751Yea, most likely them. The CIA prioritizes stuff overseas. They don't want to get into domestic stuff that much because it conflicts with the jurisdiction of the FBI. Aside from that, whenever someone sees "CIA goon squads" in the middle east or in america, they are likely just mercs with no affiliation with intelligence/federal agencies.
>>61450288Yesn't. Its up to the local/state/federal governments to give them permission to act as law enforcement. Sometimes they have no choice but to hire them because they pack personnel on their end. Blackwater got successful and big at one point because the DOD's desperation in wanting manpower as soon as they can. If they are guarding private/government buildings, though, its pretty much freegame for them within the designated area depending on their contracts.
>>61449450you missed my point he was not willing to bribe that faggot fuck so he was out and the Biden family took over same with KBR
>>61441375>Erik Prince [EFFENDI] >no principled objection or moral qualms about Red China PMCLacked the vision to be contesting Wagner Group [and XYZ chinamen depredations in Africa] on the quasi-colonial bushwar front. Cold War never ended and Rhodie/SA type shit is coming back in style.
>>61449318Executive Outcomes was restarted a few years ago. I suspect that they will get a lot of work as the security situation in Africa continues to deteriorate.
>>61449430Wait constellis is black water?Constellis in San Diego? What the fuck, why do I get recruiters cold calling me to try to work there
>>61450467But, I heard its a liability to get military/ex-military people to do law enforcement work because they act too roughly and end up proving a liability. I think it was a guy on /k/ that told me that its a bad idea to use vets as LEOs since they see everyone as enemies.
>>61451515But lets be honest, will they ever be as kino as mercs were in the 50s/60s/70s/80s? Every single guy in your picture were veterans of atleast one, or probably multiple wars. I have a hard time believing we'd ever see the likes of Mike Hoare, Rip Robertson etc. crop up from today's militaries.
>>61452857This was during trina , it was a state of emergency people can be deputized depending one the state they're not as powerful as normal cops I mean technically and legally but these guys did some shit.
>>61451515>Executive Outcomes was restarted a few years ago.Have you followed it since? It went nowhere.
>>61451588Triple Canopy bought out Blackwater/Xe/Academi and rebranded themselves as Constellis Holdings.
>>61452857>But, I heard its a liability to get military/ex-military people to do law enforcement work because they act too roughly and end up proving a liability. I think it was a guy on /k/ that told me that its a bad idea to use vets as LEOs since they see everyone as enemies.This is a gross oversimplification. If the veteran isn't retarded, they can conceptualize the different context. Combat veterans in particular can actually be an asset as they're acclimated to situations way more stressful than beat cops face. But that's provided they aren't mentally ill from their service. It just requires vetting. Anecdotally, one time while overseas as a contractor, I was working alongside a National Guard infantryman at an ECP. I asked him what he would do if a person there was a BOLO for tried to access the gate. The guy's response was very rational, especially considering what the BOLO was for (terrorist shit). He said that since they already had a rapport, he'd just stall him until ERT arrived and they could collectively make an arrest. I wholly expected for this dude to say that he'd draw down on the guy and order him out of the vehicle. Maybe even with his 240 instead of his handgun. My point is that being a soldier doesn't make you into an inherently violent person and incapable of discretion.
>>61441375Corpo mercs that's what went wrong
>>61442335Based
>>61441399Doubtful, before the Ukraine war, Wagner worked as a covert unit for Russia to have deniability, like "oh those aren't our guys".If Blackwater (now Academy) even talked with a Wagner guy, if would have set of an alarm in the state department
>>61441375The answer to your question is: Prince was and is a complete idiot. After Blackwater he went on to set up Reflex Responses to provide a clandestine force comprised of foreign mercenaries for the UAE. The whole thing collapsed due to him self-dealing and embezzling massively, as well as chasing publicity for a part of his venture running operations in Somalia, which was supposed to stay largely hidden from the public eye. He had the ear of bin Zayed, the crown prince. He had as close to a blank check as can be, and all he did with it was fool around Africa and try to get on War Stories with Oliver North, while stealing tens of millions of dollars in the most flagrant ways possible, as if his goal was to beat the world record in antagonizing one's employer. The short answer: there were no possible decisions that would've led to a good outcome for Blackwater, because the company was run by a leader that was PHYSICALLY INCAPABLE of making good decisions.
>>61450563Again, why are you lying? You have no proof, no evidence, not even hearsay. It's all in your head.This isn't the Breitbart comment section, fuck you you lying faggot lmao
>>61450420100% It is funny when you see people say"we gonna vietnam this nwo shit"nah you gonna die niggathese motherfuckers are so individualistic they would never accept a chain of command and think they know whats best
>>61454995And if that wasn't stupid enough, he made his way into Trump's inner circle during his term... and later tried to get into business with Wagner. Which was, you know, placed under sanctions by the Trump admin in 2017. Which means dealing with them is VERY criminal. In addition to them being, at the time, a deniable russian military asset and a basket case of some of the worst war crimes of the period. Oh, how time flies...And I haven't even touched on his other adventures as chairman of Frontier Services Group (mostly owned by THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT), which I won't be elaborating on here - let's just say they're on a similar level of retardation.
>>61455082>which I won't be elaborating on hereWe've got time
>>61455299You do. I don't. You can learn more about the emirati shitshow from New York Times coverage and the FSG line of clandestine business from The Intercept. The crop duster attack plane is what initially caught my attention as an aviation nerd btw, if that's your thing. It could be a good starting point too.
>>61452857>a guy on /k/ told meWhy would you ever give credence to anything with this as a source or origin
>>61449877Fagner WAS a real mercenary organization. It's just that in practice that means they're a fucked up paramilitary criminal organization so people don't like to think that.Wagner also tried to paint themselves heavily as legal professional modern PMCs exactly like Blackwater which is hilarious given that one of the biggest problems Blackwater had was Erik Prince acting all edgy and making his company out to be mercenaries.
>>61455447Reminds me of how a lot of dedovshchina was inspired by R. Lee Ermey in Full Metal Jacket.
>>61454890>Wagner worked as a covert unit for RussiaThere is NO Proof.
>>61455480Is that true? Because most of it was caused by the large scale conscription of gulag prisoners during WWII.>>61455548Lmao is the Ukraine bill passing through America's biggest whorehouse getting the incels so riled up they gotta deny Wagner being run by the FSB and GRU now?
>>61455568Now that I've tried to look it up I can't find the source anymore. The cultural reason for dedovshchina is what you said. But movies with abuse of recruits earned a cult status among the younger generations that kept the tradition going despite having nothing to do with gulags.But the fact that I can't find the exact quotes linking FMJ to the phenomenon I can't be sure I didn't get my wires crossed somewhere.
>>61455480you sure?i think it's more a thing of the russian prison culture and how within the russian mafia came to be and savage rape activities are simply the norm. something that was way more lowkey during soviet time since they still had the underlying influence from communist ideas that've been doctrinized by the education system and every day life which had a sort of restraining effect on the russian subhumanity, but once the kremlin got taken over by culturally bankrupt silovarchs it went downhill and the russian pidoration became a zombified version of itself. all the filth and subhumanity that was repressed or kept under the rug by the ideological boot before was unleashed and suddenly you had horror stories of tons of assrape and abuse in the army and other based and trad russoid degeneracy
>>61441375Paul Bremmer is a fucking retard.Totally disbanding the Iraqi military and going on an extensive policy of purging was also fucking retardedThat being said privatizing diplomatic security and creating a "need" for Blackwater was ALSO retarded.Government mismanagement caused the Iraqi civil war which coalition forces were basically in the middle of but Blackwater did not help anything and in many cases made it actively worse.
>>61456440>>61456371Already mentioned that.I didn't mean movies created dedovshchina, just that it inspired younger generations even though they had never been to prison.I've been looking for it and so far I could find an old Vice article that was called Full Metal Torture but doesn't mention movies. I'm afraid that I might have read it on twatter (aka unsourced bullshit) but because of the Vice article I got my wires crossed and the belief gained legitimacy.
>>61455548They only took orders and contracts from Russia Anon. Wagner first materialized as a paramilitary group for plausible deniability
>>61451515>black guy looking at all the white guys in blackfaceLMFAO
>>61456468>>61456440Dedovshchina first became a publicly-noticed named phenomenon when the Soviet Army reduced the conscription term from 3 years to 2 in 1967; but the rapey traditions go back to the 1930s-1950s Bolshevik internal troops' degeneracy.
>>61455353@RYP__ is a good follow when Prince fucks something up (he will) because he rolled around with Blackwater in Iraq before falling out with Prince (they sued each other over a book project I think)
>>61455049>they would never accept a chain of command and think they know whats bestI used to know some militia guys who styled themselves like an elite Ranger team. They were all neverserveds with no cardio and their idea of training was sitting around a campsite talking shit for two days with a single quarter mile "patrol" to the spot they plinked at cans. Every single one of them was an egotistical knowitall that fantasized about how everyone would flock to them for help when the New World Order tried to seize power. One of them had been doing this non-training routine for so many years he regularly said he was "basically a veteran". Last I saw they had gone all in on being Threepers.The NWO doesn't have a lot to worry about.
>>61457218>no cardioDon't they realize if they want to larp as soldiers/rangers, they have to have the cardio for it? Do they expect to just go home after combat or something?
>>61452965Shit. You're right. I can't find their website anymore. What happened?
>>61457484It was just a call out to see who was interested. And it turns out that no one was. Not only do people not care about EO anymore, they got replaced a multitude of private security corporations.
>>61457496Fuck. It really is the end of an era, isn't it?
>>61457453>Don't they realizeYou try telling a bunch of fat, delusional narcissists that were too afraid of being exposed as frauds to actually join the military that their weekend larp doesn't make them elite operators.
>>61457774They don't have to join the military to get good cardio. I don't get why militias in america let themselves be fat and have bad cardio. If you want to be a successful group, you need to have good fitness standards.
>>61457540Worst part is that BW fucked up the reputation of all PMCs moving forward. PMCs could've filled the gap between military and corporate security. I can't even call them bad actors, just constant retarded ones. There was a PMC called Mozart that was created as a humanitarian front, but that shit died due to the horrible leadership and the retards that they hired.
>>61441424Proofs?
>>61460508https://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/15/world/middleeast/15prince.html
>>61460797>Unironically posting the NYT as proof
Didn't Prince sell himself out to the Chinks
>>61448271Why are blackwater guys wearing New Orleans PD shirts?
>>61460896They have been deputized (I assume, because that's how it works).
>>61460797>They would've actually made him a billionaire>They would've truly given him his private army>It's a monarchy, who knows what the fuck would've gone down if he stuck with them into the wars of the future, maybe he could've secured permanent-guranteed annual funding or integration into the army with top brass positions being inheritable by blood, effectively making him a noble and fulfilling what seems to be his and every /k/nights fantasy alike>He couldn't source 800 competent brazilian favela raiders
>>61460896New Orleans PD gave them the shirts and deputized them on the spot. The fear mongering around Katrina was so huge that Homeland Security gave them a contract. >>61460508The fact that BW had to be dissolved.
>>61460986And Now:>sister married to a Multi-Level-Marketing Exec>He's selling the "Red Pill" phone, a piece of shit proprietary brick How far this guy has fallen. His father (owner of Prince Industries, did paint stuff for major car manufacturers, worth millions) would be ashamed.Do you know of some mercenaries with good stories and/or good hearted mercenearies /k/? Modern or historical?
>>61441375I am still surprised they never attempted a coup, probably would have large portions of the military join
>>61457853Just one of those things where lack of intelligence/introspection causes a whole cascade of problems. When I was younger, I was heavily militia-pilled. But every group I went to was such an embarrassment it put me off the whole thing
>>61446561>>61442741>>61450333ok you dumbheads, get v& for all I carehttps://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/15/1579915_-utf-8-b.htmlhttps://file.wikileaks.org/file/crs/RL34387.pdfhttps://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08BAGHDAD472_a.htmlhttps://wikileaks.org/wiki/Fallujah_backgroundhttps://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/86/865126_terrorism-brief-private-security-contractors-the-reality-on.htmlhttps://wikileaks.org/irq/report/2006/10/IRQ20061022n5609.htmlhttps://wikileaks.org/irq/report/2004/06/IRQ20040609n405.htmlhttps://wikileaks.org/irq/report/2004/06/IRQ20040609n383.htmlhttps://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/04ANKARA6615_a.html
>>61462333You never explained why and we never seen people get in trouble for just browsing Wikileaks. Just like how nobody got banned when they read leaks from that discordfag
>>61457496I remember around that time there were some PMC recruitment posts going around /here/ with links to a Discord and stuff. I guess we'll never know whether it was a larp, glowop, or real.
>>61462333So when's Black Powder Red Earth going to be a reality
>>61462957They seemed like glowies to me
>>61462957>>61463990That was some retard trying to start his own PMC in Africa
>>61464028Remember when Z used to post He was cool
PMCs were sure hot back in the 2000s, but now not a peep and with much less respect.what happened?
>>61454211The big problem is retraining behavior away from soldier response to police response. As much as we meme on acorn lad, part of the problem was that he fell right back into Army training on response to a perceived hostile act instead of being able to handle the situation like a cop.
>>61464204Bad publicity and the Iraq war winding down
>>61448271Those guys are NOPD but there were Blackwater and also Israeli mercs in NO after Katrina protecting the property of rich people with connections.
>>61464236Acorn lad should be in jail. And would be if he wasn't a pig thin blue line gang member. Someone in the general public who did what he did would get arrested for recklessly endangering everyone around over nothing. Former military with PTSD or no. But since he's a pig he'll be allowed to quietly resign and work for the next closest city or county.
>>61464236>away from soldier response to police response.USA cops are far far far worse than soldiers on their training and gun reactions. No soldier would have reacted that way unless he was actually in a hot zone on a mission. cops react like that because they've been brainwashed into pantspissing fear at all times
>>61461810Same here. The underlying idea seems fantastic, necessary even, but the armageddon levels of cope and schizophrenia on display cured me of any illusions.Now I just LARP alone. I don't think I'm fucking Rambo or anything just because I fuck around in the woods.
>>61464483>Those guys are NOPDThey're Blackwater you sperg
>>61461319>Do you know of some mercenaries with good storiesNeal Ellis for one.
>>61457853>They don't have to join the military to get good cardio. I don't get why militias in america let themselves be fat and have bad cardio. If you want to be a successful group, you need to have good fitness standards.I think there's two types of militias. The first is the glorified gun club, they do a lot of advertising on social media, openly say edgy shit, talk to reporters, and of course have little to no recruiting standards.Then there's the militia that doesn't advertise itself or talk to reporters, these are the guys who likely have some sort of fitness standards because they actually expect to fight a war someday.
>>61441375Just go listen to Eriks podcast on Youtube.
>>61450467>Yesn'tI'm stealing that, thanks. Try to stop me.
>>61455299Hellooooo, QTPi! What's your name? Are you available in kit form?
>>61457973One of the things I have trouble with is telling the difference between a mercenary and a PMC. Executive Outcomes would get paid to guard a gold mine in Sierra Leone, that was when they weren't getting hired by the government to destroy the rebels for a few million dollars, and then they went out and did that. That seems to be what a mercenary really is. But most people described as mercenaries are not really mercenaries, they're security guards.>>61457218>>61466293>>61464849It seems like the goofier and up-in-the-clouds militias get, it's because what they're doing has turned into more of an ideological abstraction. Like, you can say "form a militia" but that begs the question, "well, forming a militia to do what? What's the goal?" If the answer is "overthrow the gubmint" or "resist the NWO" (somehow, at some indeterminate future date) then you might need to narrow down the focus a bit. Mainly, you've got to ask "what do I *do* here?" Realistically this kind of thing seems better suited towards a kind of civil defense corps that can do other things with a heavy logistics / medical focus. Doesn't mean you can't run around inna woods with guns but it seems like it'd make more sense for that to be just one of the bulletpoints within the totality of the situation.
>>61441375…who the hell in the government even thought it was a good idea to hire PMCs in the first place? When we already have the worlds greatest military and Iraq cracked in like 2 weeks? This was just asking for problems
>>61455548Are you genuinely retarded anon?Do you also think that JFK was actually killed by the mafia? Or that the CIA doesn’t experiment with US and foreign citizens alike on a daily basis?
>>61469611Because they couldn't be able to fill in the personnel required to do rear security and logistics. Even though we took over iraq, the amount of personnel needed to maintain operations there was severely underestimated. I think the minimal personnel to take over iraq was 300-500k soldiers, but bush(or someonelse) decided 100k was enough. Even though it wasn't in terms of logistical and rear support. Hiring PMCs was a stop gap measure to fix the personnel problems.
>>61469668Ah man now only we didn't fire the entire Iraqi military Maybe there would have been more people that could have provided security
>>61469742Believe me I’m no simp for just how bumfuck the US Government is but…there may have been legitimate concern about the fact that they were Opfor literally a month prior.None of these shithole countries have a Constitution or any higher order of ideals to be loyal to, but the fact that the invading country is non-Muslim poses an extreme risk imo.
>>61469742There was literally no real plan for iraq post saddam, other than, invade, do a quick regime change, make sure the right companies get access to iraqi oil, get out. Bush didn't even know the difference between sunni and shia, much less the conflict removing saddam's brutal security services and paramilitaries would unleash. They didn't think about needing to *build* a state afterwards, until someone pointed out that during saddam's rule, the ba'ath party had during saddam's rule expanded to fill the entire government, top to bottom, and literally the whole iraqi state, despite saddam's removal, was being run by "loyalists" (this is just the american perception of it, the reality is that most of these folks were party members simply because it was required for them to get into any positions power). Debaathification was a kneejerk reaction to that realisation, and it went much further than just kicking the military out onto the streets. It resulted in countless civil servants as well as the iraqi police force being shown the door, with predictable results: the collapse of societal order and rule of law. Debaathification meant that not only were the military and the paramilitaries not available for putting down the various armed groups popping up all over amidst the general lawlessness, but they also served to rapidly and massively ramp up the violence as the mostly shia enlisted went into the shia armed groups with their own axes to grind with the previously privileged sunni, while the predominantly sunni officers and paramilitaries joined up with and organized sunni groups, one of which would later be known as ISIS. And of course they all also looted their armories on their way out. The amount of troops the US could've deployed would not have been enough to bring back order. Things only really quieted down once iraq had something resembling an effective military and police force of its own in place, and the situation remains shaky to this day.
>>61463394Why did i read this in the A-Team voice?
>>61462333>v&it wouldn't be on the clearnet
>>61462333Did the key for insurance.aes ever get released? I remember downloading it in like 2010 around when I first started hanging out here. Asking mostly just to keep the thread alive and bumped.
>>61456464>Paul Bremmer is a fucking retard.Based comment!
>>61464028are you talking about that somalian dude who wanted to recolonize his country and exterminate all the natives?
>>61475741No, there was some autist trying to start a PMC through discord
>>61470799>the key for insurance.aesyou glow like the sun fedboianyway, no, Julian is still sitting on it, likely until he is sentenced/after his prison term/on death
>>61470799No, Assange only released shit against the people he didn't like. He's a piece of shit
>>61469668Donald Rumsfeld convinced Bush that maneuver warfare would need less than 100k people. Unironically the Democrats wanted 500k soldiers>>61476692Assange destroyed the BNP too. He was loved by liberals for a very long time
>>61476692Based assange.
>>61469576Security contractors are only supposed to be deployed in a defensive capacity. Mercs do whatever.
>>61461080City PD can deputize? Give that city PDs don't have a sheriff they have comissioners, and officers, not ddputies, I would like to understand how that worked legally. It's not in the legal capacity of any metro comissioner in my state to do that. Maybe they were deputized by Sherriff and not NOPD?
>>61479243Looked up that image, from a Tulane article:Then, pointing to one of his comrades, he said, "He was even deputized by the governor of the state of Louisiana.So it was a State not city function. Also it's not confirmed per that article that it's Blackwater in that pic.
>>61456440Nigger the dedovschina or whatever was even worse in the USSR times. The real peak of it though was the 1990s but everything was worse then. The Putin era dedovschina is actually THE LOWEST LEVEL its been on! Keep this in mind.
>>61462957>>61463990This is probably the right time for you newfag retards to discover the obvious fact: PMCs and merc ARE glowniggers. Mike Hoare and 5th Commando even had planes piloted by Cuban exiles supplied to him by the CIA and the French mercs from the same time period (much more competent than any of the British-lead units) were all basically recruited and paid for by French intelligence.Under the retarded, meme meaning of glownigger (the only one that exists) that makes them more glowniggers than instagram thots in uniform or the glorified DMV employees that are many FBI agents.
>>61469576You know the difference enough, there's also the fact that mercs are illegal and usually working directly and under command and leadership of a state, government or formal military force or another separate paramilitary organization.PMCs are, for starters, actual private corporations with everything that entails in terms of law and bureocracy and taxes.
>>61479328Any sources on soviet times dedovschina? Was it also full of subhuman rape and such?I've only knew of cases from the 90s and 00s. I guess pre-collapse horror stories that used to be glanced over before got spread further via the internet and the fall of the iron curtain so people assume the type of violence is something relatively new.
>>61479461There's this series of books made by a former GRU officer that came out in the 1980s. It's mostly analysing the Cold War era USSR military forces. Dedovschina is described several times, he especially talks about how recruits and conscripts would just get everything issued or given to them looted and stolen from them during their whole service, usually through very real threats of violence.His name was Viktor Suvorov now that I remember. Also why the fuck is the IP counter not back yet?
>>61479328>The Putin era dedovschina is actually THE LOWEST LEVEL its been on! Keep this in mind.according to what stats?>In 2019, according to the Russian military prosecutor office the situation with dedovshchina is getting worse. Incidents of hazing in the army during 2019 have increased. 51,000 human rights violations and 1,521 sexual assault cases.[40] In the same year, Ramil Shamsutdinov shot 10 of his colleagues at a Gorny military base, 8 of them fatally. In court, he alleged that he was subjected to beatings and threats of anal rape.[41]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina#Current_situationuh, thanks putin??? seems like econumical stagnation and brutalization of society leads the russian men to retvrn to their sacred traditions lol
>>61479424>>he French mercs from the same time period (much more competent than any of the British-lead units) were all basically recruited and paid for by French intelligence.Uh yeah.... Jacques Schramme was a jerk-off.
I LOVE THE SMELL OF DEAD MERCENARIES IN THE MORNING.
Why does everyone always shit and piss themselves over mercenaries? It's one of the world's oldest professions, get over it. Someone has to do the dirty work in 3rd world shithole countries.
>>61481658another case of hollywood movies and vidya painting people's perceptions. the mercs portrayed in those are usually some morally relativistic super elite sadists gone rogue instead of being below average IQ armed mailmen, door guards and toilet cleaners like they are in real life.at the same time regular soldiers were portrayed as national forces that honorably serve the flag and everything it stands for and not just the dollar
>>61449247>Triple Canopy.does shit tier Security at SF Gay Area "cannabis" shops. you telling me they got shit to do with Blackwater?
what sort of Pay Package does PMC offer these days? What if you chicken out and "quit" when shooting starts?some gay TV show had a MG shooting contest between two fat old IDF troops, regular USGI army, and two Private Security guys from Iraq with no military service, and the PS guys won and were clearly in best physical shape etc.WTF does Wagner pay?
>>61457973>There was a PMC called Mozart that was created as a humanitarian front, but that shit died due to the horrible leadership and the retards that they hiredThe guy in charge was a certified glory hound trying to get Ukrainian units to pay him.>>61479568And increase recorded in 2019 has to be contextualized.The same link says that the Russian military records hid Dedovshchina deaths by filing them as suicide, so even back in the 2000s we didn't know how bad the problem was.If 2019 had more abuse than 2018, but 2018 is a walk in the park compared to the 1990s when everything was swept under the rug, that's not very useful.
>>61482684>what sort of Pay Package does PMC offer these days?You have anywhere from 6 figures a year to work 9-10 months straight to absolute shit pay to stand guard in places where the locals will hack you with machetes to eat you.>the PS guys won and were clearly in best physical shape etcNot only did they have former military experience before getting into PS, they also got to spend more time at the range than an average infantryman and lifting weights is common during downtime.There's not a lot to do in the places that typically require security work, and the gym has AC.
>>61441375Basically they overextended themselves by entering the highly competitive airsoft market, they invested tens of millions in an area they had no expertise is, they couldn't sell the massive inventories of blasters they had stockpiled, the company folded in 2014 and the stock was buried somewhere out in the middle of nowhere in Utah.
>>61455548kek the broofs meme still lives?>russian soldiers weren't in crimea, just little green men showed up
>>61483108Oh yeah them using their trademark to slap the logo on products was the most cyberpunk shit I've witnessed
>>61482544>below average IQ armed mailmen, door guards and toilet cleaners like they are in real lifeThose are PMCs. Actual mercs are basically glorified hitmen and guerrillas with all the illegality and moral issues that goes along with it.
>>61479507>why the fuck is the IP counter not back yet?Ad revenue. If you hide it from Joe Anon, you now have proprietary data you can sell to advertisers.
>>61442263>Nasty Girlswhat?
>>61483108>>61483564kek this reminded me when I worked compliance testing for the Xbox 360, one day we got this masterpiecehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqIjEdCtvskit used fucking Kinect too
>>61450288>Why didn't Americans Fallujah these shits?>Expecting Americans to use their gunko pops on anyone
>>61450288>Is this even legal? Private mercenaries patrolling streets, acting as law enforcement and taking guns seems like something highly illegal?glad you axed!https://yandex.com/search/?text=citizen%27s+arrest&lr=20765&search_source=yacom_desktop_commonTLDR?Basically any asshole can claim he saw any other asshole "commit a misdemeanor in my presence" and physically Arrest them, including ANY "reasonable force" to prevent them escaping.That includes shit like Malls hiring goons (mostly off duty cops but can be anyone) to Physically Arrest (cuff and stuff into private security vehicle) people like guys alone smoking a joint at a nearby bus stop on a public sidewalk (I've know two cases).butt, butt....what if its some perv making shit up so he can handcuff some girl and shove her into his car??? Official answer is "That would be up to the Courts to determine if it was a legal arrest". :)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shomrim_(neighborhood_watch_group)I've worked with (non-Jew) private Security also LARPing as Bad Cops. Legal trick is if you are alone and there are two or more of them, the Courts are required to go with "two testimony beats one" as to who hit who first, etc. And the same two goons can show up with that same line unlimited times, and each case is "brand new".Oh, and of course once a CA is done, they are also authorized to take any weapons into custody, and of course 2 to 1 as to whether the weapons were taken or stolen or were present.This "2 to 1" is also why Mafia, Unions, biker gangs, Mex gangs will have a rule that you always go with at least two goons when "representing the group" to an outsider.
more like ACKwater lol
>>61469668>Because they couldn't be able to fill in the personnel required to do rear security and logisticsBullshit, there are literally like about 10 fucking million various reservists, NG, recent Vets, etc that could've been very quickly signed back the fuck up into the ranks, and be perfectly fine for "rear security and logistics". And would be a lot less confusing and better Command and Control and everyone (including Iraqis) understanding what everyone's role is.Blackwater, etc was about NWO setting precedents.
>>61479243IIRC in CA cops need to be "certified" which is a One Year Training (like joining biker gang LOL), which keeps supply of cops low and wages high.Yes, the One Year is to ensure the Prospect is fully on board with Blue Wall of Silence, going after citizens for chicken-shit shit, etc.
>>61483007>Not only did they have former military experience before getting into PSon show I watched they make it clear their PS contestants had Zero military history. They were basically Security Jocks and cop wannabes with Jr College Degree in Admin of Justice but never even any govt cop, not even Kampus Kops. Yet they were supposedly high paid doing Security for US military in Iraq, guarding USGIs and other "assets" as body guards. They seemed like Rich Kids with connections.
>>61485810National Guard, newfriend
>>61486406Buddy, calling up all those people would have been MASSIVELY unpopular and expensive with no guarantee they'd behave any better than Blackwater.You missed how the Rumsfeld era cuts meant to trim the fat and bloat severely undersized the military, while not solving issues with budgeting.>Blackwater, etc was about NWO setting precedents.How the fuck does that work? When the NWO shows up with their goons the cops are gonna stop them, and they say "do not worry I have a precedent" and they just let them through? Blackwater and Erik Prince essentially tarnished the image of PMCs. If the NWO wants to roll through you streets with hired mercs, they don't need any fucking precedent you tard. They'd just do it.Why the fuck would the all-powerful conspiratorial organization obey any weird rules?>>61486479Again, considering that in the early days people straight up lied about their military service to join PMCs, it's possible.Dudes just seemed to enjoy their job, then.
Politic retardation and extremely poorly planned reconstruction is basically the answer for everything that went wrong in Iraq. Paul Bremer unironically said to the CPA governors of Iraq "it's not our job to fix the Iraqi economy" as if having like 50% of young men unemployment wasn't going to bite them in the ass.>>61441456Former ba'athists and military officers being banned wasn't strictly true. Although Baghdad opposed it the ultimate authority was with the provincial authorities.The best police chief post-2003 Amarah ever had was a former S4 logistics officer in Iraqi Special Forces who went AWOL, a former Iranian IRGC officer and a commandant in the Iranian backed Shia Badr Brigade.
>>61486910Also the deputy police chief Brigadier General Sabih was a literal ba'athist
>>61486406Its more of a pain to call up those reservists, who likely is not caught up with training against insurgents. Blackwater made it easy to fill in the gaps in personnel shortages very quickly while also removing liabilities incase those people get injured/killed or does something retarded. The government contracting PMCs was a way for them to fill up any rear end security and logistical support that the military has in some areas. The military wanted a quick solution for that kind of problem.
>>61486406You do know that Blackwater and other PMCs were hired by corporations right?
>>61452965Eben Barlow still posts stuff on his Facebook page, and he's still active in the PMC sphere.
>>61441480The hilarious part is Donald Trump pardoned them while keeping his supporters in prison lelhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nisour_Square_massacre
>>61488681He has had some interesting talks on youtube. His work in Sttep might have got im reinvested. If Executive Outcomes is reactivated. Then its is one of two things. It either has started to do work again but in very low profile manner, as media attention got it shut down. Or its gone nowhere and is at best training soldiers and consulting in a small way. Though a very interesting man who has a wealth of knowledge.
