Are the Hungarians the descendants of the Cumans?What was the phenotype of the Cumans like?
>>16550020They were the most hapa looking out of the bunch, and no they are not. Hungarians are the descendants of Magyars and Avars, the latter of which was around 75% white Slav by the time they got to Pannonia and they regularly bled their manpower dry requiring they use the Slavs as manpower bleaching them further.
>>16550020t. Jász Hungarian hereHungarians are not related to Cumans at all, as they are Finno-Ugric peoples, most of the influence was taken from the Khazars and even then most of the words are related to agricultural specifics. Cumans were a confederation of turkic tribes, including the Jász peoples. After being pushed West and eventually shattered by the Golden Horde, Béla the 4th King of Hungary granted them to help him fight against opposing nobles and the Tatars incase they attacked them.
>>16550037Those Slavs were 83,7% Gepids and Pannons.
>>16550055Sorry, I always simplify it to just say Slav since they, the Slavs currently in this area cluster right by the old Euro inhabitants of the area, prob more accurate to just say central Euro if i want to simplify it, so thanks for the correction anon.
>>16550020After their conversion to Catholicism, the Cumans assimilated into Hungarian identity. So some Hungarians probably have Cuman ancestry. Cumans started out looking like Kazakhs initially and slowly turned to look like Tatars.>>16550055Looks like a Cuman.
>>16550020Cumans came as refugees to Hungary>Fleeing the Mongols, at least 40,000 Cumans under the leadership of Köten approached the eastern borders of the Kingdom of Hungary and demanded admission in 1239. Köten was willing to acknowledge the king's supremacy and submitted himself to him, although he was previously "equal to him", as Master Roger emphasizes. Béla sent his emissaries, some friars of the Dominican Order.[9] The monarch only agreed to give them shelter after Köten promised to convert together with his people to Christianity, and to fight against the advancing Mongols.>Duke Frederick II of Austria, who arrived to assist Béla against the invaders, defeated a small Mongol troop near Pest. He seized prisoners, including Cumans from the Eurasian Steppes who had been forced to join the Mongols. When the citizens of Pest realized the presence of Cumans in the invading army, mass hysteria emerged. The townsfolk accused Köten and their Cumans of cooperating with the enemy. A riot broke out and the mob with the leadership of some barons massacred Köten and his retinue on 17 March 1241. >Thereafter the Cumans left Hungary for the Second Bulgarian Empire. The Hungarian army was virtually annihilated in the Battle of Mohi on the Sajó River on 11 April 1241.>The enraged Cuman-Kipchak masses began to plunder the countryside, and moved southwards in the country. They crossed the Danube and reached Syrmia (called Marchia by Roger). After causing much destruction and havoc in Hungary, they left the country for Bulgaria
>>16550020Pontid.
I as a white man find cumin particularly spicy and Arab
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>>16550037>hapadoesnt exist outside of the border regions of racial far asia.Cumans were blonde according to the primary sources.
>>16550651https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lake_H%C3%B3d
>>16550051Why is Hungarian turanism/turkism pushed by fringe factions there while also claiming white european Christian identity
>>16551074If some 30% Nafri-Levantine Iberians can claim whiteness, so can some 95% goblino roach
>>16551079What?
>>16551139Welcome to the world of Euro dna autism, the only people who consistently the whitest are the Normans
>>16551147All this DNA shit just to verify what everybody already knows: white people are from northern Europe. They spread into western and central Europe. If you're not part of that lineage it's just an endless series of copes about how you're actually white because ____
>>16551074Genuine mental retardation, they do it because they are stupid Anon.
>>16551074>Why is Hungarian turanism/turkism pushed by fringe factions there while also claiming white european Christian identity19th century Romantic nationalism is a hell of a drug.
>>16551023In non-nordcuck sources gold/blonde hair means brown hair, and red hair means dark brown hair.
>>16551074These days, most of the people who push that stuff aren't even set on the Turkic/Altaic connection. They just think that the Uralic origin and the real history in general is not cool enough (which is insane, very few nations in Europe have an 1000+ year history of statehood and its own language), and want to believe that there is an academic conspiracy to humiliate Hungarians by denying their true glorious origins. But the same people who say WE WUZ TURKZ one minute will go WE WUZ SCYTHIANZ or WE WUZ CELTS or WE WUZ SUMERIANZ in the next.
>>16551657You are a fucking retard. The Hungarian nation doesn't have a "Uralic origin". It's the origin of the language, not the nation and the culture. Do you think the Irish suddenly have "Anglo origin" because they switched from speaking Irish to speaking English 150 years ago?
>>16551074The funny thing is that people responding to you call Turanism stupid and in the same breath claim that Hungarians are a "Uralic people" which is even more retarded.You can only have two positions here. Old Hungarian culture and genetics were Turkic, modern Hungarian contemporary "culture" and genetics are (West) Slavic. Both of these populations were/are speaking a Uralic language as a kind of anomaly, an unusual but not unheard of case of language transfer. Also while the Hungarian language is Uralic, it has massive Turkic and Slavic substrates for obvious reasons.
>>16550051>Hungarians are not related to CumansCumans got completely assimilated genetically, culturally, linguistically. That means every Hungarian alive today has some degree of cuman admixture.
>>16551895Not "every Hungarian", that's not how it works.
>>16551899If you go back in time far enough then that's literally how it works. It's impossible to keep some community within a country genetically isolated, especially if there are no geographic barriers. 800 years is more than enough for that.
>>16551895>>16551917Cumans were still isolated and spoke Oghur Turkic in the late 1700s
>>16551971Speaking a different language doesn't mean you are genetically isolated.
>>16551991It implies they were isolated enough to keep their own language and therefore it is unlikely that every single Hungarian has Cuman blood. Otherwise every single Hungarian would be a gypsy, too.
>>16551997Sounds like you just don't comprehend how fast genes can spread. The identical ancestor point for all of Europe is estimated to be around 1000 ad, for something much smaller like Hungary it's a lot more recent. Consider that you have 2^30 ancestors if you go back 30 generations (or whatever remains of them due to pedigree collapse). The idea that none of them were Cumans who lived in the same country is ridiculously improbable.>every single Hungarian would be a gypsy, too.That is also true, at least they have a partial admixture.
>>16551074>white european Christian identityConservatives, normie nationalists.>turanism/turkismFringe nationalists.There is an overlap, but they are generally two different groups. During the 2015 refugee crisis the far right was unable to formulate a coherent response because they spent the previous years hating Jews and being buddies with Muslims.
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>>16552021>>every single Hungarian would be a gypsy, too.>That is also trueokay I get you are a trolling slovak/romani but maybe you should look at your own country before going off like that
>>16552123>>turanism/turkism>Fringe nationalists.It's literally the Orban government official promoted narrative, and backed by actual peer reviewed research, sorry that it makes libtards like you seethe (not)
>>16551629>nordcuck sourcesArab sources claim>Baybars was described as a tall man with olive skin and blue eyes. He had broad shoulders, slim legs, and a powerful voice.
>>16550020>What was the phenotype of the COOMans like?
>>16550020>Are the Hungarians the descendants of the Cumans?Hungarians are gigamutts, they are descendants of Uralics, Turkics, Proto-Iranians, Huns, Avars, Slavs, Germans, and Balkanids>What was the phenotype of the Cumans like?Pic related
>>16551867Cope. Hungarians always spoke an Uralic language and there are no sources that suggest that they ever had another language.>culture was not uralic Wrong, South-Uralic tribes were horse nomads just like the Magyars (i.e. the Mordovians, pic rel), until they got pushed out from the steppes by Slavs.Also, said wewuzzers also claim that the language is not Uralic because Ancient Egypt and Atlantis already used Hungarian.
>>16552285>Hungarians always spoke an Uralic language and there are no sources that suggest that they ever had another language.Every single personal name and name of office in Conquering Hungarian culture is of Turkic origin, a bit weird huh??? And literally all of Conquering Hungarian material culture is either Turkic or Iranic, there is absolutely zero commonality with Mansi or Khanty material culture, isn't that strange? Makes the old noggin joggin...Also:>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982222007321>The genetic origin of Huns, Avars, and conquering Hungarians>we detected shared Hun-related ancestry in numerous Avar and Hungarian conquest period genetic outliers, indicating a genetic link between these successive nomadic groups.Now kindly kill yourself Shlomo
>>16552304>proto-Hungarians were dominated by a Turko-Iranic elite, therefore WE WUZ KHANZIt doesn't work that way, Attila.I'm sure your lame ass Finno-Ugric brethren are sad now because of how hard you're trying to detach yourselves from them.
>>16552339>proto-Hungarians were dominated by a Turko-Iranic eliteIt's the other way around you dumb fucking retard, only the elite had a small percentage of Uralic ancestry according to archeogenetics, kill yourself and then read the paper I posted above, in this order.
>>16552304>Every single personal name and name of office in Conquering Hungarian culture is of Turkic originÁlmos comes from finno-ugric álom, Megyer, Levedi also have finno-ugric etymologies.Interestingly, Hungarian words related to a horse-nomadic lifestyle all have Finno-Ugric origins, while words related to farming come from Turkic and other languages, this proves Ugric people were horse nomads before they met Turks.>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982222007321>Conquering Hungarians had Ugric ancestry and later admixed with Sarmatians and HunsExactly what I'm getting at. Language also points to this later admixture.>there is absolutely zero commonality with Mansi or Khanty material cultureYeah, no shit, the ancestors of the Mansi and Khanty migrated from the land they lived in with the ancestors of the Magyars in around 1000 BC and settled in Southern Siberia, where they intermixed with local tribes, obviously modern Khantys and Mansis would have no common material culture with 9th century Magyars who their ancestors divided from 2000 years ago.
>>16552381>Álmos comes from finno-ugric álom, Megyer, Levedi also have finno-ugric etymologies.Proposed etymologies. They also have Turkic etymologies which are much more convincing.>Interestingly, Hungarian words related to a horse-nomadic lifestyle all have Finno-Ugric originsKantár is turkic, nyereg is Uralic, patkó is Slavic, therefore this is inconclusive. Also don't embarrass yourself by referring to deprecated concepts like "Finno-Ugric", contemporary linguists define Finnic and Ugric as independent branches of Uralic.The sun is going down in a few hours so I suppose you have to get in as many replies as possible before your holy day begins. Shabbat shalom!
>>16550020>What was the phenotype of the Cumans like?Pic related
No, just some coomans migrated to Hungary because of mongol danger and assimilated there. Also cumans lived at modern russian territory and ruskies was big fans of fighting with coomans. So niggas that survived after mongols invasion just assimilated by ruskies also. There is even russian pre–mongolian texts about fighting with coomans. In russian culture cumans is kinda meme, like some mfs that was heroically beaten by proto–ruskies.
>>16552414source?
>>16552446>in russian culture>Speaking to the Russian nation on April 8th, Russian President Vladimir Putin compared the spread of coronavirus to the attacks that an ancient, early-medieval proto-Russian state suffered from the hordes of semi-nomadic pagan tribes about one thousand years ago.>“Our country has suffered through many ordeals: both Pechenegs and Cumans attacked, and Russia got through it all,” the Russian President said. “Friends, all things pass, and this will pass, too,” he continued. “We will also defeat this coronavirus infection.”
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>>16552450He was born in Hungary, what other proof do you need?
>>16552021Gypsies were discriminated against and segregated so it’s not the same pool of ancestors. Also, having one or two gypsy ancestors from more than 300 years ago will have little to no impact on your admixture.
>>16553574they still have gypsy blood
>>16552248Last time I was in Hungary the men looked virtually identical to every other country I visited in central, and western europe.
>>16552304>English has a lot of Latin loanwords, therefore Old English was a Romance languageDo you realize how retarded this line of logic sounds?
>>16553969This>>16553832
>>16553832Probably not
>>16553973Point to where I said Hungarian wasn't a Uralic language. You seem to have some reading and/or mental problems.Consider how the Irish are a Celtic people who now speak a Germanic language. You can be ethnically and culturally X but speak Y language. Getting it now?
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>>16552181Baybars had swarthy skin according to Arabs. He had cataracts in his eyes which made them appear whitish-blue.
