Considering discoveries, contributions, influence, culture, sports, etc etc.Do not take into account the success of people from other countries in said countries, for example ethnic Germans in Russia, that is, only taking into account the contributions of Slavic people
>>16541769Statistically, probably one of the balkan countries. Takes a few good minds to amp up the numbers per capita.But Ukraine did mch of the heavy lifting during USSRRussia obv is big and there have been big names from there, but it's too young of a country to call many of it's great minds of the past "Russians"
>>16541769I think Slovenia has the highest GDP per capita of Slavic states. Russia is obviously the only one of relevance though. And honorable mention to Poland, they contributed a lot to western civilization that isn’t appreciated (though how much of that was Polish Jews is another question).
>>16541769Poland or Russia
Russia, how is this even a question.
>>16541843>how is this even a questionThis is the most retarded board, that's how.
>>16541769Russia, Czech, Poland, Serbia(Nicola Tesla).
>>16541769In this rough order of tiers of most influential to least it would be:RussiaPolandCzechiaBulgariaCroatia, Bosnia, SerbiaUkraine (I honestly don’t know where to put Ukraine but it’s not that high)Slovakia, Belarus, Montenegro, SloveniaAfter Russia, Poland, and Czechia, it’s a crapshoot and the only ones that were completely irrelevant historically are true bottom ones. And it’s not a dig on them; their populations are just so small that of course they’re not that influential.
>>16541843Yes, but statistically it is not the case.In pure quantity we could say that it is true but we must consider that Russia is much larger (by several dozen) larger than other Slavic ethnic peoples, in addition, Russia has passed off contributions from other ethnic peoples as its own, in addition to stealing things that properly are not from the Russian people.Per capita it should be 1.- Czechs, 2.- Poland or Ukraine 3.- Russia and from there onwards the rest of the Balkan countries that are non-existent and the most relevant thing that has happened to them has been Nikola Tesla and the Yugoslav team.And finally Slovakia.
>>16541942>1.- Czechs, all their contributions were made by germans>2.- Poland or Ukrainethis has to be a fucking bait
>>16541942>And finally SlovakiaSlovakia is a hard one to evaluate. Yes, they’re far less influential and successful in terms of inventions and so on compared to the big three: Poland, Czechia, and Russia. But the sense I get from Slovak history is that the moment anyone moves up the ranks or becomes literate, important, or influential up until 1850 or so, they get cooped into being Hungarian. Please understand that when I say that, I’m not saying Hungarians are stealing national figures, absolutely not; I’m saying that the people themselves identified with the Kingdom of Hungary. They end up speaking Hungarian and mixing with Hungarian society and their ethnic background becomes obscure or unimportant. One intellectual born in Slovakia said it best: “I’m Slovak by language, German by culture, and Hungarian by citizenship.” It’s really hard to separate the two and there’s no clear line because it wasn’t as much of a big deal back then, like it is now. Being loyal to one crown was the important thing.
>>16541913Anything of note achieved by Bulgarians was before they became Slavic.
>>16542030To further illustrate my point, another example other than Bernolák’s quote. Matthias Bél, an important priest, historian, and geogrpaher, born to Slovak parents, described himself like this: “by language a Slovak, by nation a Hungarian, and by erudition a German.”So, it’s very complicated. Slovaks should really be viewed as junior (not equal) partners to most Hungarian achievements.
>>16542086Why do the Slavs have to ruin everything? I don't think it's a coincidence that Hungary is the only country that is worth it in terms of contributions and culture regarding the entire East + Slavs of the Balkans.
How could one answer anything other than Czechs is beyond my comprehension.
>>16541769Obviously Russia. Sputnik. Tolstoy. Dostoyevsky. fire fighting foam. gagarin. AK47. the rest of the "slavics" are vasly inferior (when it comes to cultural cashe or esteemed history). russia is so successful that all other eastern europeans are pretty much thoght of out here in north america as "some kinda russiany culture"
>>16541769Poland saved Europe from the Ottoman hordes, so Poland.
>>16543508every fckin country in eastern europe claims this about themselves. croats. hungars. serbs. greeks.
>>16543274Don't kid yourself, Hungary is Slavic in everything except grammar. Hungarians also had their best days before becoming weirdly speaking Slavs.
>>16541913Bosnia is as irrelevant as SK, MN, SLO, BE and certainly under Ukraine.
>>16541769>Considering discoveries, Russia. If we're talking per capita maybe Serbia?>contributions,Too vague> influence, Russia >culture, Too vague>sports,Croatia
>>16541769>the most successful Slavic country?Either Russia or Poland.Russia feels like I don't really need to explainPoland simply because of how much was thrown at them throughout history and yet they still exist as a distinct people. That's quite an achievement, really.
>>16541769Poland.
>>16544095>Sports>CroatialolEven Czechoslovakia had more sporting success than all Yugoslavia.Per capita the correct answer to almost everything would be the Czechs
>>16541843Poles contributed to Western civilization and has always had someone decent development and living standards except during the cold war. What did Russia give us besides furs, communism and poverty?
>>16541913HISTORICALLY (as OP said), Poland has always been much more influential than Russia or any of its precursor states.
>>16541769>cultureObviously Russia in terms of influence and outstanding household names (Dostoevsky, Tchaikovsky, Tarkovsky, etc.), but a lot of the cultural output from the Balkans is excellent despite the lack of reach and translation. I'm a big fan of music from ex-Yugoslavia, miles better than what was being produced in the rest of Eastern Europe
>>16541942>most relevant thing that has happened to them has been Nikola TeslaTesla would not even be remebered if not for the Austro-Hungarian education system. It's honestly an embarrassment for both Croatia and Serbs, the fact that they haven't produced another Tesla in 100 years just proves that they could only do well under Habsburg rule and their whole chimpout was for nothing.
>>16544118the topic is about historic succes, not their contribution to western civilization, which are two completely different things>>16544122considering the Polish king at one was de facto handpicked by the Russian tsa, and the commonwealth latter partitioned, this is rather funny to read
>>16541997>all their contributions were made by germansCzechs are the same blood as their ancestors, the only difference is the communist era slavication programme, the people used to speak a lot more German before.
>>16542116>>16542030Why tf are you giving unbiased and sensible opinion on /his/?
>>16544131>the topic is about historic succes, not their contribution to western civilization,Western civilization is the only successful civilization (and the only surviving one having supplanted all else in the early modern era).The only successful elements of Imperial Russia are due to what Peter introduced from the Christian West. Before it was a shithole constantly being raped by Mongols and Tartars.
>>16541769Why is the Slav world cut in two?
>>16543476Half of the things you mentioned was built by East German engineers for one. Russia failed to make any unique innovations once the USSR sphere dissolved. It's a low IQ povo Nigeria with snow shithole.
>>16543770They aren't Slavic and trying to show a failed raiding campaign as the height of achievement is very pathetic.
>>16544136>constantly being raped by Mongols and Tartars.ignoring they (Eastern Slavs/Russians) got rid of them on their own?>the Christian Westthey were Christian before that already, what's your point?Also >implying there were no successful rulers before Peter the Westaboo
>>16544129>the fact that they haven't produced another Tesla in 100 yearsNobody has produced another genius in the past century though. Like who's the most recent "genius inventor" from any country?
>>16544152>They aren't Slavic
>>16544152>>16544166>They aren't Slavic
>>16544152>>16544166>>16544171>They aren't Slavic
>>16544152>>16544166>>16544171>>16544174They aren't Slavic
>>16544176>>16544152>>16544166>>16544171>>16544174>They aren't Slavic
>>16544154>ignoring they (Eastern Slavs/Russians) got rid of them on their own?Balts are not Slavs. The momentum of the original horde was broken in Hungary, defeated in Austria and the later Golden Horde was broken by Lithuania and the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth reconquered the land they occupied. You are confused because later Peter defeated a bunch of unrelated Tartars.>they were Christian before that already, what's your point?If they weren't Christian then they would never have gotten access to Western technology which was the best in the world and would still be a medieval shithole no better than the old horde instead of becoming the superpower of the Steppe.>implying there were no successful rulers before Peter the WestabooThere was no successful Tsar of Russia before Peter who was literally the first Tsar.You are very confused about Russian and Eastern European history in general.
>>16544115Who's the Czech Modrić?
>>165441791) Magyars aren't Slavic2) Neither are HungariansAny other questions? Or do you want to be lectured on how PCA projections actually work?
>>16541769Russia, however literally 90% of great Russians had some non-russian admixture.
>>16541913Bosnia is easily the most globally irrelevant Slavic country if we're talking about ethnic Bosniaks and not Bosnian Serbs and Croats like Gavrilo Princip and Ivo Andrić. They do have some good music though
>>16544197Magyars cluster with surrounding Slavic nations on every single genetic analysis, on both maternal and paternal ancestry, this is very well known. There are tons of papers by Hungarian and non-Hungarian authors saying exactly this. There's a reason they look exactly the same as their neighbors. If you try to argue against this, you've already lost, because you're just wrong.
>>16544206>>16544197I accidentally said "Magyars cluster", I meant modern Hungarians of course.
>>16544206Everyone "clusters" with their neighbours. West Slavs cluster with Germanics too I guess that's because they are Germanic. Goths cluster with Ukries etc.
>>16544224Alright, saying Slavic is an oversimplification, it's more accurate that they are Slavic-Germanic-Balkan (although mostly Slavic), the point is that they have nothing to do at all with conquering Magyars.And yes, West Slavs are Slavo-Germanic in a way that South and East Slavs aren't.
>>16544164>Nobody has produced another genius in the past century though.Huge fucking cope lol.> Like who's the most recent "genius inventor" from any country?Genius in general Witten, Scholze, Tao, Higgs, inventor in particular Le Cunn, Hinton, Musk (yes many of the ideas are his), Nakamura etc.
>>165442371-2% hungarians are N and descended from magyars
>>16544243>1-2%
>>16544237>they have nothing to do at all with conquering Magyarsexcept the political/linguistic connectivity that defines what a nation is
>>16544471*continuity
>>16544471Nations are defined by their blood, everything else is cope. By your definition Ahmid Pajeet is a quintessentially British national.
>>16544476Sounds like you are just ignorant about the scope of genetic changes that happened in pretty much every place on Earth except for the most remote locations. There are no genetically pure nations. Scandies mixed with samis, spainiards and southern italians with arabs, balkanites with turks, east germans with slavs, russians with finno ugrics and steppe niggers, americans with literally everybody etc etc. By your definition no nation in the world is a nation.>By your definition Ahmid Pajeet is a quintessentially British national.That is the de facto reality by this point and the majority of Brits agree with it. 1000 years from now on the history books will list Rishi Sunak as a British prime minister, with his heritage relegated to trivia.
>>16544530>majority of Brits agree with itSource?
>>16544530>There are no genetically pure nations. Scandies mixed with samisHow can't you see the contradiction here? You say Scandis and Samis don't exist, but also that somehow they exist enough to mix with each other?
>>16544530>>16544555>>16544561This is how Hungaroslavs cope with not being related at all to their steppe namesakes.
>>16544561neither scandis or samis are nations
>>16544133I don’t know, but I’m glad someone thinks it was a reasonable take.
>>16544243Well, most Hungarians and their neighbors probably have one or two very distant ancestor from the Magyars. Did this have any effect on their dna? No and the overwhelming majority were obviously Slavs and Germans.
>>16544968How are the Sami not a nation?
>>16545057They are a loose collection of savages
All the people who say Poland are delusional. Here are some "polish" historical figures:Copernicus - germanMaria Curie - frenchFriedrich Chopin - AustrianJoseph Pilsudski (the guy who restored Poland after WW1) - LithuanianIgnacy Łukasiewicz - Armenian "Polish" monarchs during Poland golden age - LithuanianLudwig Zamenhof (the guy who created Esperanto) - JewishThaddeus Kosciuszko - bellarusian/LithuanianAdam Mickiewicz (one of the most most important "polish" writers)- Jewish/Lithuanian muttJuliusz słowacki (one of the most most important "polish" writers)- comes from Ukraine and has surname meaning "Slovakian"Jan Matejko (the only note worthy "polish" painter) - CzechThis is just some of the examples but basically Poles are never achieved anything besides plowing fields to Thier German, Austrian, Lithuanian and Austrian overlord while being monitored by Jewish middle class. And I didn't even talked about how 90%+ of cities were made by Germans using project designed by Italian and Dutch architects.
>>16545075They're a nation of savages
>>16544989Literally everyone in Eastern Europe has Genghis Khan as a distant ancestor.
>>16544149Yes Russia fell into poverty after ussr disolved. who HAS made impressive innovation since the 90s? I guess the internet/bitcoin etc but anything else? as to your claim about east germans being behind all those russian outputs...i dont believe you. to say that russia isnt historically "successful" is a joke. The Russian people have achieved heights in sport, science, art that no other slavic nation has
>>16545282The Russian people have also achieved heights of AIDS infection never seen before.
>>16545282>who HAS made impressive innovation since the 90s? I guess the internet/bitcoin etc but anything else?Are you fucking retarded?>Smart phones>AI (LLMs, Diffusion)>CRISPR>First successful gene therapy/gene clinics>First purely synthetic life>Higgs Boson discovery>QLEDs>TPUs>Superresolution (especially in medical/cell imaging)>Ceramic coated materials (all your "modern looking" apartments)>EUV for 3nm chips (people in the 90s thought this was impossible)>Atomic precision mirrors>Green lasersThe world is innovating faster than ever before, you just don't notice how far you are being left behind.>...i dont believe you.Every assault rifle is patterned off the StG 44 and the Soviets are no different:>Hugo Schmeisser, the designer of the Sturmgewehr, was captured after World War II, and helped develop the AK-47 assault rifle,[17]In terms of Slavic arms developments the Czechs are considered to be the most successful in history, not Russians. As for space:>In February 1946 the Institute RABE and Büro Gröttrup were absorbed into the larger Institut Nordhausen,[23] which had the goal of recreating the entire German A4 rocket technology. It was headed by Korolev as the Chief Engineer and Gröttrup as the German head.[24] In May 1946, the Institute Nordhausen, Institute Berlin (reconstructing the Wasserfall missile) and several manufacturing sites in Thuringia (until 1945 part of the Mittelwerk supply) were combined into the Zentralwerke.[25] By October 1946, Zentralwerke employed 733 Soviet specialists, and between 5,000 and 7,000 Germans headed by Gröttrup as General Director, supervised by Korolev as Soviet Chief Engineer and Glushko as head of Engine assembly and propulsion systems .[19]Basically the entire early programme was East German, this gave Russia an early edge, but also note how Americans won the space race in the end with landing on the moon, shuttles, GPS and other unique innovations.
>>16545194Genghis Khan might be a bit more difficult since he lived from 1162 to 1277 and was one person compared to a tribe from the 800s. But it’s possible that many are, sure.
>>16545386>Ceramic coated materials (all your "modern looking" apartments)Can you elaborate?
>>16545423Genghis Khan lived to 115?
>>16545491Shit, typo. Sorry, I meant 1227.
>>16545081Some of that is true if you're really stretching and cherrypicking
>>16544192What euro(cup) did Yugoslavia or Croatia win?
>>16545081True for Russia as well
>>16544166>>16544171>>16544174>>16544176>>16544179So the Hungarians win this thread per capita?
>>16545516Yeah 90% of towns being German and Maria Curie and Słowacki is a bit of a stretch but the rest is true. Also even if it wasn't 90% it's true that a sizeble portion of the towns was settled by Jews and Germans, most towns were based on Magdeburg law, furniture like clocks and shit were imported from the Dutch or French and architects were rarely polish. Find me a set of purely Polish people that were more influential then the one I've mentioned. You can't.I mainly said it like that because baity replies get more (you)s but I think my point still stands.
>>16544132>the only difference is the communist era slavication programme, the people used to speak a lot more German beforeYou've got your history mixed up. Current Czech culture is a result of the 18th and especially 19th century national revival (a response to 17th century's germanization) as well as Masaryk's First Republic. Communism has nothing to do with it.
>>16545990There's 10 million Hungarians and only 80 posts in this thread so I'd say yes.
>>16546046It was called Bohemia until 1918. You're proposing a revisionist narrative.
>>16544095>CultureArt, music, literature etc etc shit
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>>16544115I don't know how they did it but Czechoslovakia really was a fucking sports superpower in the 20th century.>>16546524>It was called BohemiaDid Czechs call themselves that?
