>Be Marvel>Buy a whole new set of characters to play with>maliciously destroy itWhy tho
Marvel NOT being a clusterfuck of acquired IPs being crammed in like a round peg in a square hole is one of their advantages over DC
>>143303969Why buy it if you aren't going to use it?
>>143303988So no one else can have it.
>>143303943>>143303969>>143303988>>143304013But its kinda hard to promote malibu when their main hero creator like prime turns out to be pedo
>>143303943>>143303988To kill competition. They don't want anything taking market share away from the MU.
>>143304019That was 20 years later. Not a factor at the time.
>>143304030>>143304013Ah yes, capitalism.
>>143304035"Capitalism" would be "buying it and then making money off of it". What Marvel did was just pure pettiness.
>>143304038Monopolies are the end state of capitalism. You'd know this if you paid attention in school.
>>143304217kys tankie
>>143303943apparently Marvel were only really interested in buying Malibu to acquire their printing and coloring facility, also apparently due to how Malibu handled creator rights for characters actually using any of the Ultraverse characters would be a real pain in the ass, hence why they've never done anything with any of their characters after the buyout
>>143303943Iirc they just wanted to get the digital colouring stuff Malibu used for themselves
>>143303943They bought it because Scott Mitchell Rosenberg, Malibu's owner, wanted to sell and told Marvel that DC was on the verge of buying them. Whether they actually were or not, it caused Marvel to fork over money to Rosenberg with generous terms because if DC had bought Malibu then they would have passed Marvel in total market share. Rosenberg is a grifter and put forward the story about Marvel wanting their digital coloring when Marvel wanted to shutter it seeing it as a pointless expense.Those generous terms include an NDA that Marvel has to abide by so nobody is quite sure of the reason they don't use the Ultraverse characters. The best guess is that Rosenberg negotiated a good royalty for himself and permanent producer credit and Marvel doesn't want to essentially pay him to use characters they own and it's not like the Ultraverse characters are popular so there's no point in publishing them. Marvel owns CrossGen as well and does nothing with it because there's no interest in CrossGen.Rosenberg is also the guy who scammed Liefeld out of Youngblood and Supreme.
>>143304341>>143304398Again, untrue. It's a story that Rosenberg spun in order to try and protect Malibu's value to make sure he got as much money from the sale as possible. When Marvel bought it, the bean counters saw it as a needless expense and were going to close the coloring division. It was only saved when the regular coloring company that Marvel used got backed up and Marvel realized that Malibu's coloring was quicker with less headaches.
>>143304445>Marvel owns CrossGen as well and does nothing with it because there's no interest in CrossGen.They actually did a Sigil Omnibus late last year, for some reason
>>143304013>>143304030>>143304035Marvel bought Malibu comics because they had a new coloring technique that was impressive for the 90s. Not because the Ultraverse was any kind of a threat to the big 2. There are also issues with using the characters because some of them are creator owned I think. Funnily enough there was a crossover with the marvel universe and Prime even became a host of the phoenix once. >>143304019Source or didn't happen. >>143304038Capitalism is whatever a onions brained midwit wants it to be. Don't pay much heed to it.
>>143303988They just wanted the colorists
>>143304445>>143304631Crossgen is owned by Disney.
>>143304788>Not because the Ultraverse was any kind of a threat to the big 2.You just discredited your entire post. Malibu at their peak was just behind DC in market share.
>>143304217You are beyond retarded.
>>143304788https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/san-francisco-resident-sentenced-six-years-prison-possessing-and-distributing-childhttps://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Comic-book-author-suspected-of-putting-child-porn-10841108.phphttps://web.archive.org/web/20180815232818/https://www.newsarama.com/41378-gerard-jones-sentenced-to-5-years-for-child-pornography-charges.html
>>143304298>>1433042983 stages of any market: expansion (aka the free for all), consolidation (aka mergers and acquisitions), stagnation (aka monopolies or near monopolies). This is basic economics.
>>143306888
>>143304445>. Rosenberg is a grifter and put forward the story about Marvel wanting their digital coloring when Marvel wanted to shutter it seeing it as a pointless expense.This is interesting and a good case of how there's a lot of stories in comics history that get streamlined or simplified or outright fabricated because it's more interesting than the reality.Like how people exaggerate how long Captain Marvel outsold Superman and how effective DC's lawsuits were- in reality it only outsold Superman for a few months, DC's first lawsuit failed, and Fawcett only gave up because by the time DC had a successful lawsuit, sales had gone down so much for Fawcett it wasn't worth publishing anymore anyway.
>>143303943Because Marvel.
>>143303988They needed the coloring department. Malibu comics also sucked ass.
>>143306945Nice forfeit.
>>143303943same goes for crossgen
>>143304298All economists understand Marx was correct in his economic theory. What makes you a leftist is whether or not you’re cool with that or want it to change.
>>143304788>>143306843>https://www.cbr.com/comic-legends-why-did-marvel-really-buy-the-ultraverse/>The mythology of the Marvel's coloring desires and the goal of a west coast presence were created by Malibu as a way of slowing down rumors that Marvel would just cancel the UV titles as soon as the deal closed>It was only after the place in Ireland was overloaded and a couple of Marvel editors were trying to get late books back on schedule that they reluctantly shipped books to Malibu for coloring. When that worked out well, word got around and other editors started pulling books from Ireland and requesting Malibu's coloringCorrection, the reason Marvel bought out Malibu was because DC was going to do it first which would mean that It would have a bigger market share than Marvel. Malibu DID have better digital coloring which Marvel used eventually.
At least we got the weird Night Man tv show where he played smooth jazz and drove a PT cruiser to stop crime
>>143308271>All economistsThey really, really don't. main stream economists will disagree with Marx on most things including where the value of goods comes. "True believers" of Marx are the flat earthers of economics.
>>143303969I'm really more of a marvel bro, but Captain Marvel always felt better integrated into DC than say, Miles was in 616. You don't need separate IPs to make a mess.
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>>143308609This
>>143308235>CrossgenWhat?
Pity. Night Man was really fun until then.
>>143303969DC's acquired characters are their best
The Ultraverse was one of the first dead universes that I got into, mostly because I watched the live action Glen A. Larson Night Man show when I was a kid and found out that it was actually based on a comic bookI think my favorite books are Hardcase, Prototype, Mantra, Exiles, The Solution, Sludge, and Rune
>>143303943Based Marvel for wiping out the opposition
>>143303943Can't believe they had Black Knight there for a year
>>143307116That's your opinion man
>>143304341>apparently Marvel were only really interested in buying Malibu to acquire their printing and coloring facility(You)>>>143304463>Again, untrue. >... and Marvel realized that Malibu's coloring was quicker with less headaches.So they bought it for the colouring facility then?
>>143303943Malibu had a state of the art color set up that they developed and Marvel wanted it.Also Exiles started off as a Malibu title before eventually melding with the X-Men line
>>143309875Oh hey its that useless cuck Peter Parker. where's the real Spider-Man?
>>143310710>So they bought it for the colouring facility then?No, they bought it and happened to make use of their colouring department as an unexpected extra.
>>143311236Concession status: Accepted!
>>143309188Crossgen was bought by Disney, years before they bought Marvel. This has later resulted in Marvel trying some disastrous reboots of Crossgen titles in the early 2010s, and some recent Crossgen reprints like pic related, and also the widespread misconception that Marvel bought Crossgen.
FWIW Quesada actually brought in Englehart at one point with the idea of relaunching the Ultraverse but then something came up and it was decided not to do it. This is what Quesada had to say on the matter.>Let's just say that I wanted to bring these characters back in a very big way, but the way that the deal was initially structured, it's next to impossible to go back and publish these books.>There are rumors out there that it has to do with a certain percentage of sales that has to be doled out to the creative teams. While this is a logistical nightmare because of the way the initial deal was structured, it's not the reason why we have chosen not to go near these characters, there is a bigger one, but I really don't feel like it’s my place to make that dirty laundry public.So nobody knows and the people who do know won't/can't talk about it. Apparently Thor: Ragnarok used Topaz but it may have been a screw up. But one of Marz's recent Adam Warlock minis apparently referenced Rune and the Infinity Gems going to the Ultraverse so maybe they're testing the waters to see if they can do something? Who knows.
>>143311800It would be nice to see the Ultraverse get a second chance a Marvel if it's executed better than it was before. I'd kind of be curious to see how they'd revive it. Would it be something like the recent Milestone relaunch or something completely different?
>>143311800I really think that was just a completely unrelated character with the same name. It has nothing to do with the Ultraverse Topaz.
>>143311617NTA, I think there's a slight bit of miscommunication going on here. When you say they bought Malibu "for" the coloring facility, it means that the intention behind the purchase was to acquire the facility. However, that was not their intention. If I bought a used car and found twenty bucks in the glove compartment, I wouldn't say I bought the car for the $20. I hope this clears things up between you two.
>>143303943>>143303988Malibu had nothing special that Marvel did not already have in the first place. >Prime, just another Captain Marvel knockoff, Marvel had too damn many already>Hardcase, non flying brick and Marvel arguably has more of those than DC. Actor turned hero, Marvel has Wonder Man>Prototype, even worse Iron Man knockoff>Topaz, just a Wonder Woman knockoff. Marvel actually does not really have one of those since it is too much of a WW copyAnd why bother with Ultras when they have Mutants, Inhumans, and Eternals,
>>143303988Marvel wanted their color printing press, the comics were nothing special and only around for a couple years anyway so there was nothing lost. It's not like they erased major comic history with Malibu.
>>143303943Weren't these the black people comics
>>143311617Not a concession, I just think that if you keep simplifying it as them buying it "for the coloring"(which was an unexpected bonus) it hides the actual reason that they did it to prevent DC from buying it and taking over the market share.One is an amusing story that omits the real point, the other is a business playing hardball and willing to swallow up a whole company just to hold onto their market share.
>>143304445That's a fun story you invented on the spot to sound cool and knowledgeable of insider deep lore. Too bad not a single damn part of it is true. It was the coloring on vellum paper press that was more valuable than the company. And it was significantly cheaper to buy the company than to buy a new printing system and hire an all new crew to run it, with technicians to maintain it. Marvel saved something like 40% of the total cost by purchasing a midding comic company over outright purchasing a new printing press.Scott Michael Rosenberg was the guy who bought Lifield's Image properties out from under him and sold them piece by piece to DC over the course of about 8 years. He maintained a producer credit on those. He had nothing to do with the purchase of Malubu. Now fuck off storytelling faggot.
>>143304038Not always. The Wal-Mart method is to buy out the competition, or run them out of town. And force everyone to buy only what you are selling. No upgrading, or selling what was bought, just forcing people to buy your product and n other.
Did Topaz ever fully stop being a misandrist?Why does her skin shift from normal to grey?Love her design.
>>143312172>That's a fun story you invented on the spot to sound cool and knowledgeable of insider deep lore. Too bad not a single damn part of it is true.Not him, but I've seen it corroborated on some podcasts.>Scott Michael Rosenberg was the guy who bought Lifield's Image properties out from under him and sold them piece by piece to DC over the course of about 8 years. He maintained a producer credit on those. He had nothing to do with the purchase of Malubu. Now fuck off storytelling faggot.I don't see how him taking Liefeld's properties would prevent him from also being behind the purchase. You do know Malibu was printing Image books initially right? Rosenberg brokered the deal with the Image guys in the first place.
>>143306880Fucking christ pedos always have fuck massive libraries of porn in their stashes.
>>143311800Marvel Ultraforce was a pure shitshow anyway. Remove Prime, Hardcase, and Contrary, replace them with Black Knight. The most D-List Avenger they could send on over. It's like they were trying to make a book no one could give a fuck about.
>>143312196She turned blue when powering up. It was like some kind of armor.
Wasn't there another comic guy besides Jones who had nude pictures of his niece and he took them to a public place by mistake?
Working on my ideal mismatched Malibu team!> Arena (female samurai version of Prototype who is nude in the armor)> Elven (muscular hairy barbarian babe version of Prime)> Topaz> Sludge> ???> ???
>>143312136>I must win the game of semantics. I MUST!(You)
>>143312630I just think Marvel buying up an entire company to screw over DC is an interesting story. We still talk about DC messing with Fawcett in court for 10 years until their comics division became too unprofitable to justify the fight. You can easily see how Marvel and DC swallowing up competitors is a good part of why the industry is where it is, right?
>>143312187Marvel LOST money by buying Malibu. You're a fucking idiot.
So much for monoply laws eh? Gotta love capitalism.
>>143311832I guess they just don't see the value and I can kind of see why. There's a lot of chaff and of the wheat one of them (Prime) pretty much can't be used at all and another (Mantra) would be tied way too much in trying to make it a trans allegory instead of the whole thing of a wizard/warrior kicked far out of his comfort zone. So you're left with, what, Hardcase and Night Man and Rune as the only other semi-notables?>>143312060Prime could work since his whole concept was a middle schooler's idea of what a superhero is and since it was the '90s he was a ridiculous '90s caricature in appearance. Update it to be a satire of Current Year capeshit (so he'd probably be some kind of gender ambiguous nonbinary goof in shitty made for cosplay practicool outfit) and it could work so long as you play the entire series as satirical. But that would mean money given to Jones so no bueno.
>>143312172>Scott Michael Rosenberg was the guy who bought Lifield's Image properties out from under him and sold them piece by piece to DC over the course of about 8 years. He maintained a producer credit on those. He had nothing to do with the purchase of Malubu. Now fuck off storytelling faggot.In addition to everything else you're wrong about, Rosenberg was one of the founders of Malibu, specifically providing the financial backing. He was the backer of a bunch of indie publishers (including Eternity Comics and Aircel) and then merged all of them with Malibu. Then the market crashed so he cashed out and sold Malibu to Marvel.
>>143312571sexo
>>143313411You're not convincing anyone of this stupid shit already, just stop. You made up a whole paragraph of nonsense and were called out on it. Quit before you look completely retarded.
>>143304034When he was head of Marvel Joe Quesada alluded to “dirty laundry” as the reason why Marvel didn’t touch the Ultraverse in the 2000s. I’m not saying this applies to the 90s, but someone knew something long before Gerard Jones was finally arrested
>>143314388>Quit before you look completely retardedwhere do you think you areif he doubled down once, what's stopping his runaway retard train
>>143314388stop being upset the Wizard magazine article you read as a 13 year old 25 years ago wasn't the final word on what happened. We've had people who actually worked for Malibu and were there behind the scenes at the time say otherwise about the coloring department story.
Remember when DC bought Wildstorm and then killed off Stormwatch in a crossover with the Aliens?
>>143314452Hey my uncle works at Nintendo too! What a coincidence!
>>143314512No
>>143303943Nothing of value was lost
>>143314512Warren Ellis, the then-current writer of Stormwatch killed them off, so he can put his own Stormwatch OCs in the spotlight. And guess what, it become a way bigger hit than Stormwatch ever was and also shaped the trajectory of capeshit as whole in the early 2000s.
>>143304445>>143304631>>143308235>>143311676Is it wrong that when I was reading old Wizard magazines and reached their Last Man Standing article on Green Arrow vs Arwyn I thought she was some bitch from Zenescope?
>>143303943>Be Marvel>Buy a whole new set of characters to play with>maliciously destroy itSame reason Disney does, then campaigns to extend copyright, it's really about stopping any competition.
>>143316502Oh wow, that's some interesting cope
>>143317592It's true tho
>>143317861>CopeWow! That's amazing
>>143312117Milestone
>>143316658To be fair, Arwyn from Crossgen's Sojourn and Zenescope's Robyn Hood are both blonde arches who wear green, I can see how you might think they were the same character at a glance.
>>143317861The scale of the Image boom in the early 90s means it's pretty unlikely that Ellis-era Stormwatch or The Authority sold as well as the early issues of Stormwatch. IIRC The Authority became a big hit book after Millar took over writing. It is true that Ellis' Wildstorm work was important in shaping the trajectory of superhero comics in the early 2000s, but not remotely in a good way, it's to blame for what happened.
