Post-Olympics edition Other jacketed wrestling styles welcome.previous thread >>50439
>>62177What did /judo/ think of the olympics?What were some of your favorite moments?
>>62177Judo will always be a meme until they allow leg locks/leg takedowns
>>62190the olympics ruined judo it would have been better with leg grabs. Get any wrestler, bjj or MMA fighter they would have have medaled in the ilympics. No leg touch because of the olympics have meme a once good style
>>62190what a joke of a sport when you have the morbidly obese be promoted to black belt and be consider olympians
>>62192Wrestling and sambo will forever be a meme until they allow chokeholds.
>>62207chokes are allowed in sambo you can do anything in sambo its just MMA but with less rules.Sambo and catch are probably the best styles to learn because they dont have restrictions and follow sport rules like other styles.
>>62205>Get any wrestler, bjj or MMA fighter they would have have medaled in the ilympicsmedaled in olympic judo? you're out of your fucking mind lmao
>>62190>posts bitchesFuck off beta faggot.
>>62206>Martial art intended in part for self-defense works even if a student is a fat.>Somehow this is bad.
>>62217i post what i want, bitch
>>62192No one seems to say this bullshit about Greco-Roman even though the ruleset is even more restrictive. I'm not a fan of the leg grab ban but this complaint from people who don't watch or train judo is so tired. I'm betting if they brought back leg grabs 99% of people who parrot this opinion online still wouldn't join the sport in any meaningful way.
>>62208Combat Sambo sure, the ultimate style for transitioning to MMA and it's not particularly close. There are actually some restrictions in combat sambo such as no heel hooks or cranks and spine locks, but how free-form it is otherwise makes up for that. But sport Sambo has just as many arbitrary restrictions as judo. No closed guard, no chokes, no rotational leg locks, some arm bars are banned, and flying submissions are also illegal. Allowing straight leg locks is cool but it's hardly Judo unleashed. It's just another ruleset. If you're interested in grappling primarily then "just do combat sambo" is not only unrealistic unless you're an Eastern bloc citizen, but it's really not everyone's cup of tea. I'm not ashamed to admit I don't find it fun to get punched and kneed in the face.
>>62227nah bro judoka...i mean judo players...can't defend against a double leg, shit martial artBut seriously, people should watch sport sambo and see how many leg take downs are attempted
>>62222Yes....like the beta faggot you are, bitch.
>>62222>posting more bitchesFucking kill yourself already, faggot.
>>62177Judo's great.....until you start getting punched and elbowed in the head.
>>62233>>62234little bitches still crying
>>62177Sup, I was wondering if yall can give me a quick rundown on some shit. I wanted to get into judo and while researching I was reading a post on plebbit saying that the "newer rules of judo is killing the art" and that "freestyle judo" should be the future of the sport. Can someone redpill me on this? I don't know jack shit.
>>62251That very discussion is playing out in this thread. In my experience it's more of an internet thing though. Don't get me wrong, there are serious judoka who have various problems with the rules and the importance of the Olympics to the sport and art itself. But online you will tend to hear this narrative that Judo is "dying" due to the 2010 regulation banning moves that involve grabbing the legs. So a simple double or single leg is now illegal in the most popular ruleset. I don't agree with this rule but rumors of Judo's decline are greatly exagerrated. In reality it's only really dying in the USA and it was doing so before the leg grab ban. This decline also aligns pretty neatly with the rise of BJJ and MMA in America which lends credence to the aphorementioned narrative. Ineffectual governing bodies, greed, and a lack of state support compared to other judo countries have far more to do with it than leg grabs. Judo is alive and well throughout most of the world and last I checked is the 2nd most popular martial art in the world, just shy of Tae Kwon Do. As far as freestyle Judo, it barely exists. If you have a group near you that's into it then cool, but the overwhelming majority of Judo clubs in the world train Olympic.
>>62256So I shouldn't worry about that shit right if im brand new right. Im also wondering what's best for me if so. There's an olympic judo place near me called universal judo. There's also another bjj focused place that has judo classes near me as well.
>>62315Not him but all that was mentioned applies to competition judo and unless your a kid with potential or are looking to compete it shouldn't apply to you. Your instructor should be able to teach you the full judo curriculum, leg grabbing techniques included. Now on which dojo to go to, outside of proximity and cost considerations, pick the instructor that had more accolades.
>>62236Silly schizo, that's where judo begins
>>62315Universal Judo in San Antonio? That's one of the best judo gyms in the country and has some international medalists training there.
>>62318Maybe things are different where you're at but my exposure to illegal moves has been pretty limited. Maybe you'll do it in kata and your sensei will show it to you but never in randori. So you never really get any good at it.I also think it's super important for everyone to compete if they're physically able. And again, 99% of the time that's IJF/Olympic rules so it's not irrelevant if you're a hobbyist.
About the leg grab debate: No matter what you train with, a lot of things are exchangeable between grappling martial arts. Stance, balance, grip/handfighting... It is not like you are going to be an absolute amateur coming from a Judo background then starting Wrestling, MMA, CSW...As anon said, nobody disses Greco-roman that hard and the ruleset is many times worst. Freestyle wrestlers got guillotined, triangle choked, by droves in the early MMA/Vale Tudo matches and no one is complaining that hard about Freestyle. Judo, olympic ruleset, has its problems just like every single martial art. If you pick one of those Boxing vs Muay Thai videos you will see that single legs are a million times less threatening to a judoka than a leg kick is to a boxer, and no one ever stopped recommending boxing even after K-1 started airing worldwide. As the general rule of modern martial arts is cross-train, if you feel like training something, Judo is a great option because it gives you the most rounded game between all massively available options, even with the current ruleset. Afterwards you can just do like every single fighter ever nowadays and just add some Freestyle classes to improve you leg grab game, add some BJJ classes to get more ground finesse, find some Catch guy and ask for some hellhook tips, etc. Just like 100% of the competitive guys in either cage fighting, either ADCC style competition, do.
>>62239>this beta faggotLoL kys already pussy.
>>62287Can't really control somebodies arms when your head is being beaten like a beta male in county lockup....
>>62192Honestly I disagree. The leg grab ban ended up making it a far more upright grappling style, which is 100% a good thing, and makes for a more interesting sport
>>62391except that shit doesnt work in a real fight look at BJJ or MMA they all wrestler and that is all leg grapping. You never see judo used in EBIs or Abu Dhabi
>>62394>except that shit doesnt work in a real fight look at BJJ or MMA
>>62394>except that shit doesnt work in a real fight>look at BJJ>BJJ>real fightoi I am laughing
>>62391There were some unfortunate victims though like te and kata guruma.
>>62406and 2 years after the ban kata gurama evolved into a no leg grab varian that introduced wrestling sit out motions into judo's meta. and siting out is a useful maneuver for any grappling scrambling and seeing it fused into a judo technique shows the intelligences and creativity of judo players
>>62387>crying a day laterpathetic little bitch LoL
Anyone else struggle with sprained joints? (mainly ankles and big toes in my case)How do you cope? I use some tapes and try to just ignore the pain, but unwillingly it always keeps me from committing fully to each technique. I know some drugs are really good at allowing you to ignore pain, but I don't want to go this way.. and this shit just doesn't ever heal (I've had multiple-month periods of rest from judo and the joints just got quickly re-fucked once I started sparing again).
>>62206apparently she's doing something right because she got a bronze medal at the highest tier of competition of the sport while you're a literally who < green belt
>>62463I do. Weightlifting, yoga, and resistance bands helped with some of my joints that were dislocated (shoulder and hip). It took over a solid year of consistent work to get them decent again. Shoulder is still tricky and takes a lot of warming up. Rest alone wont prevent the next injury. Progressive overload with weights will. You just gotta be really careful.
What are some beginner advice for grappling and throwing?I don't mean techniques I mean shit like lifting your leg to shift the weight when throwing someone and other things that would help someone that is just grappling recreatively.For the record I'm not a larper trying to learn a grappling art through the internet. I'm a kickboxer and my gym closed because of covid. So right now I'm just sparring with a friend of mine from the same gym, and since we're mostly fooling around till we find somewhere else to train we do some grappling for fun even though none of us has experience with it. I suppose we're smart enough not to do anything too dangerous like piledriving.
>>62495as a kickboxer one cross over that grappling provides for you is clinch entries and pummeling. So as a kickboxer you should expierment how your combos and strikes can lead you into the clinch. The next big step is not just resting or waiting for the break but seeing how your hands and different gripping position can help lead into elbows, knees or low kicks from the clinch.The other major aspect where striking principals cross over is kick catching. With a striking background you should have better eyes and reflexes in seeing and catching kicks. This will lead into your partner being on one leg, and you can and should investigate in thai style foot sweeps and dumps and also wrestling style single leg finishes since wrestling has an entire catalog of techniques of finishing a takedown with an opponent standing on one leg. Summary*striking into clinch*clinching and pummeling/grip fighting into knees/elbows*MT foot sweeps.dumps*single leg takedown finishes
Lanklet bros how do I do cross-body osoto without giving my opponent the opportunity to bomb me with ura nage.
>>62789By off balancing them onto the leg you plan on reaping like youre supposed to. They cant suplex you while standing on one leg.Additionally, if youre tall bending youre knees while keeping your back straight to lower youre center of balance will make you much more difficult to resist.
hot take, anime fights are more fun to watch and have better choreography
>>62989You love to see it. Fuck drop seoi
>>62989>>62655These are beautiful
>>62251Freestyle judo is a ruleset that's practiced by like a dozen people in Texas and Oklahoma. It would be fun if you stop by and there happens to be an event, but I wouldn't go out of my way for it. You're more likely to find Sambo competitions desu.
Why is tai-otoshi so hard?
>>62190>What did /judo/ think of the olympics?The Russian chick who got elbowed in the head and was sporting a massive goose egg on her right eye, had something like 35 minutes of Golden Time throughout the repechage, and got choked unconscious but still came back to win bronze, was my favorite storyline of the event.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azDuK8OPCtMWell, that, and Japan getting its shit pushed in by France in the mixed.Now, a question from someone who did a fair bit of Judo up until my mid 20s, but who's been out of anything resembling competitive Judo for over a decade and a half. What the hell is with the terrible Seoi Nages? The lighter weight categories, in particular, seem to have devolved into repeated attempts at a shoulder throw from *well* outside, and are done without even a cursory *attempt* to break the opponent's balance first. It's just a rotation over the shoulder, and if you don't pull your opponent down with you, it's basically just a drop. When the hell did this start happening? On a related note, what the hell is it with the incredibly poor abilities of this year's Judoka (as a whole) on breaking balance in the first place? One would start shifting to the right, and the other person would shift to the right in response, and instead of the first person reversing the flow in order to create a point where balance can be broken, they both keep moving in the same direction and the pass becomes almost entirely a strength-on-strength match, instead of exploiting leverage. Not *everyone* did this, but it was ridiculously common, and when I was training trying to out outmuscle your uke to make your technique work would be called "bad judo". What the actual fuck HAPPENED while I was gone?
>>64886as someone who competes on the national level, and with all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about. The seoi nage entries you are seeing in the lightweight division are on a level you can't comprehend, and the basic judo fundamentals which you espouse (why aren't they breaking balance??) are very present in the matches, but on a level that is clearly not visible to you. Ignoring the complexities of player matchups, gripping sequences, micro adjustments of position and weight distribution, it's clear that you aren't aware of even the most basic things these competitors are doing. Yet you speak as if you're superior... a hobbyist criticizing athletes who have dedicated their entire lives, 6-7 days a week, training for this event. You are the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.
redpill me on pulling guard in judo
>>65362>it's all on a level you can't comprehend>just trust meShow, don't tell, anon.
>>64886That other guy's a cunt. Pay no attention.What you're seeing is essentially a sportification of the martial art. There's essentially no meaningful reason not to drop into a throw attempt, because judges rarely call fouls for dropping, and when you're light it's easy to get back up, and it's easy to defend on the ground of up don't pull off the throw. There's more, but I don't have time for it right now. I'll check back in with a thread in a bit and see if I can give you a longer answer. You arent the only person who is seeing that in competitions by a long shot.
>>65437Pretty sure it's completely illegal. You'll get a shido at the very least for timidity. A particularly brutal judge might even count it as ippon.
>>65455>>65437If you fake a sacrifice throw and then pull guard you should be fine.It is bitch shit, though
>>65458>pulling guard%100 pussy shit
I'd love to see nogi judo or some sort of judo/bjj/sambo with gi pants but rashguard shirt (no jacket with easy handles)why? I'm wearing a t-shirt with blue jeans and a belt. Most days I do this.>>66191Everyone masturbates.
I'm a little confused about the gripping rules as they relate to bodylock throws like ura-nage: can you just throw them with a gable grip or s-grip, or do you need to be holding the gi/belt?
>>62239>this beta faggot kys already bitch.
>>66549What is wrong with you
>>66549Imagine being such a seething autist you REEE about the existence of womens sports for like a month straight
What do you guys think about beach sambo?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjs17KtdO6Q
I don't understand why everybody's being focused on self defense when talking about judo these days. You're literally weak as shit if you absolutely need to attend classes to fight in the streets. Just appreciate the lifestyle and stfu
>>66772Spiking people into the ground head first is fun. Sure you may catch a charge but it's worth it just to see some nigger flail around like a fish out of water.
I'm a bit confused about the difference between ogoshi and uki-goshi. Is the difference entirely in whether your legs are in a narrow squatting position or not?
>Why yes I'm a kata-guruma specialist, how did you know?
>>66208SumoGrab at the waist or wedgie your opponent real hard
>>62315>>62345Second what this anon said about Universal Judo. Go in and ask Nina how competing in the Tokyo Olympics were.
Ashi-waza is a really hard for me. I feel like I never score with it, and it's never threatening enough to condition for my turn throws
>>66538You can gable but, if you do you have to throw immediately.
What makes judo so fun?I've dabbled in BJJ and Sambo, but I just like judo the most.
Been back to training after like 2 years due to ronaDamn feels good. Already got a sprained ankle but I regret nothing.
Have limited time. Would I see more improvement focusing on strength training during my free time? Or doing more technical work (training band uchikomi, footwork, shadow randori)?
I've been really having fun with Georgian grip stuff and yoko tomoe nage lately.What techniques are you practicing and having fun with lately?
>>68414Sweeps. People really dont expect clean sweeps.
Is no-one watching the Zagreb Grand Prix? It's being broadcast on YouTube
>tfw actually threw someone with uki-otoshi
>>62192Leg locking is fag shit, leg takedowns I understand
>>68951I like what leglocks add to sambo's ground game, which any inclusion of leglocks into newaza would more closely resemble - because sambists (like judoka) can't take their sweet time on the ground like bjj guys can.And as far as safety is concerned, kneebars and straight ankle locks, which are basically the only ones allowed in sambo, are relatively easy to tap too and have a margin of error closer to armbars than heelhooks do.
>>68781Based.This was a personal highlight, might be one of the slickest juji-gatames I've seen in a while:https://twitter.com/995dim/status/1441765151137468417
What should a novice take into account when acquiring a judogi? In terms of material, price, etc. I'm curious about trying judo, but it seems that I'd need to get the proper apparel before doing a test and I'd like to know whether the test drive is worth it or not.
>>69266Just buy a fuji double weave. Any dojo will loan you a gi though while you try things out.
>>62206>being big works in fightingwhoa.... what a joke of a sport... fighting should be banned from the Olympics
>>62387>>66549samefag insecure tard
seriously what do you do when someone just bends down and double-stiff arms you?
After training last week I had a terrible back pain and couldn't even walk the next day. Had an MRI and just found I've got herniated disc and spondylosis. I'm 34 and the doctor said it' very likely I'll have to quit judo. Well, it was nice while it lasted. Feeling like shit tho.
>>69359Snap down arm drag foot sweep. Belt grip sumi or ouchi. Double sleeve maki.
What does /judo/ think about ura-nage?
What is the judo scene like around New Orleans?I'm probably going to be moving there for work from Texas, which I think has one of the better scenes in the US. If there's barely any judo, I might just move to bjj.
>>64886>On a related note, what the hell is it with the incredibly poor abilities of this year's Judoka (as a whole) on breaking balance in the first placeInternationaly most judoka do not study the craft like other sports study there craft.They are mostly concerne with gripfighting etc.The logic is...You will never be as good as an Japanese so why try......
Guys what lifts help with judo? I read something somewhere about kettlebell swings and most importantly cable shoulder pullovers. Anything else?
>>70048deadlifts a must. front squats, presses
>>70048Squats, explosive rows, rear delt & shoulder mobility work. Obviously, you want to work your posterior chain, but imo strong quads are more important for staying uninjured than strong hamstrings.As an oddball, I like floor pressing more than benching. It's more sport specific to newaza and it's easier on the shoulders.
>>70335Too slick. Wouldn't even be mad if I took that shit.
My girlfriend is really into judo. Her first tournament is this Saturday, and I want to give her something judo related as a present. Do you guys have any ideas?
>>70801Clinch with her at random to hone her skills like Ronda Rousey's mom did.
>>70801depends on how much you're willing to spend and obviously what her personality is like.but for the memes and practicality: athletic tape.for an actual present:rashguard, there are plenty of good judo books, maybe a poster of kano or other judo artwork / trinkets, a gi bag since she's competing if she doesn't already have one, a judo t-shirt from somewhere and uh athletic tape.
>>62177Why is osoto otoshi so unpopular compared to osoto gari? It seems like a much safer option because you're not instantly screwed if countered. Also, otoshi works better against people who never skipped leg day.
>>62177Does anybody know the name of a technique similar to seoi nage but with one hand going behind the opponent's neck? I've seen it a few times in no-gi matches but I was unable to look up the details.
>>62177Hey guys, I haven't talked to anyone in 2 years and my personality is slowly fading away, but I'm still passionate about wanting to do Judo in my life. I'm sort of scared to go or even call and set up a appointment, how was your first time at the gym like? Awkward? How long did it take for everyone around you to get used to you?
>>70852>how was your first time at the gym like?I almost missed the place. I did breakfalls, some tumbling, osoto-gari drills, sparring with more experienced guys, and then rope climbing as a warm down.>Awkward?A bit. Not only are you new, but everyone else is probably going to actually kick your ass> How long did it take for everyone around you to get used to you?A few weeks
>tfw got outgripped and dabbed on by an upper belt
>>71020Yeah that's what is supposed to happen. I would be concerned if a less experienced lower belt was dabbing on the upper belts. Either you have a genius on your hands or the coaching is shit.
is 25 too late to start judo?
>>71344no go train
Paris Grand Slam is on Youtube rn lads
>>70801>>70805>there are plenty of good judo booksThis, go for Kodokan Judo, it's an essential read for enthusiasts
I've been really enjoying kata guruma, bros. I may have found my tokui waza.
>>71467Te guruma is that gangster shit.
>>71471Even if the grip sequences are weird, I just enjoy kata guruma more than drop seoi.
reposting from martial arts general because I didnt know there was a judo general... Im new to judo and have some questionsis wearing a blue gi as a level 1 slime cringe? I want a second gi so I dont have to wash mine multiple times a week, but no one really wears a blue gi at my gym and I dont want to look like a faghow long does it take to learn a move properly, and should I just focus on 1 move until Ive got it down even if it takes weeks/months, or learn multiple at once?I have a powerlifting background and am stronger tham most people at my gym. I find I can just use raw strength to beat people more skilled than me. but if I do this Im just learning shitty technique. how do I stop doing this?
>>71534>blue gisBlue gis are part of the sport. Most people like to train in white, but blood is harder to get out. You also want to have a gi in both colors for competitions, although they usually have sashes if the competitors have the same colored gi.>how long does it take to learn a move properly, and should I just focus on 1 move until Ive got it down even if it takes weeks/months, or learn multiple at once?You need to know a couple moves to really be doing judo. A lot of the art and sport is how takedowns flow into each other and having options for your opponents actions and reactions. At a basic level, you need a back throw and a forward throw, which is why the first things you learn will typically be osoto-gari and ippon seoi nage.>strengthStrength will always be a part of any grappling sport. My advice is not to take randori so seriously and relax and play.
>>71553thanks. Ive bought 2 extra white gis. I'll get a blue one when I decide to compete>which is why the first things you learn will typically be osoto-gari and ippon seoi nagethese are the 2 throws we've been shown so far. should I just focus on getting good at those for now in your opinion? how long do you think it will be before I can do them properly in randori?
>>70852>How long did it take for everyone around you to get used to you?A few weeks for most people, about a year for hardasses that have seen many people come and go because the turnover rate in judo is honestly very high.
>>70812I'm mudansha so take what I say with a grain of salt, but as an osoto player I usually have to hop to break the balance and take whatever is there. It feels like its usually the one leg and not both.
>>71563Osoto is the first throw you learn but it's far from the easiest to pull off live. Standing seoi nage is also pretty straightforward to learn, but hard to do in practice. It's why in competition, most people throw seoi nage from their knees. In my opinion, the most complimentary technique for ISN is kouchi makikomi because they start off the same grip and you only need one arm on the guy to start.Most people gravitate towards one of the main turn throws - seoi nage, tai-otoshi, or uchimata - and a favorite ashi-waza - often osoto or ouchi. They can often do many more, but their focus for competition is a handful of techniques that they like and work for their gameplan.
Guys theres a judo gym near me that ive gone to a couple times but theyre more interested in competition, and im more interested in no-gi/mma. should i just train there or go straight to bjj
>>71585go to an mma gym
>>71611That was one hell of an ushiro goshi, and the French crowds are great
>>71365>crowds are backnice
>>62192The rules make judo spectacular, but safe, which is nice.>>62217(You)
>>62208catch is bad
>>69396Go to a sports physio and get their opinion. Doctors always tell people to quit sports when you get injured.
>>69461I'm sceptical about sacrifice throws except tomoe nagi. Used to intercept such moves a lot, barely have got thrown with any of it by an opponent of the same weight.
>friend says she wants to quit judo >too autistic to integrate with other members of the club ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
accidentally showed up to class early and had to make small talk with normies. suicidal rn
>>72204get thrown until something impresses you or shakes you out of itask about pointers on their nice throw
>>72256I can talk to people on the mats fine, but when we're off the mats they want to talk about normie shit. I made this post too >>72247 some guy made small talk with me until his friends came. then some girls at next to me and talked to each other, then kept looking at me. I think they were expecting me to join it, but I just went on my phone until class started
Anybody watching old man judo?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv8AqCxxGP4
>>72281Actually, a friend of my coach was competing
>>72388gives me hope to still compete at that age
So does anyone ever use hane goshi in competition?Some people say that goshi uchi mata is basically hane goshi, but let's be honest, that's not how we learn hane goshi and we are still calling it uchi mata.
>>69461Love it. When up against big dudes, I like to dip my shoulder to bait them into reaching for a big over the back grip, thrn launch them with ura nage.
is anyone else here an excessive sweater? how do you manage with judo during summer?I sweat way too fucking much and I feel bad for everyone I have to train with
what are good throws for someone who is very strong, but also short, to learn?
>>72644Bring towels with you and wipe the mats down.
How do you get good at ashi-waza?I feel like my ashi-waza are below average for my skill level, and good ashi-waza gives more dimensions to my game
>>62205>Get any wrestler, bjj or MMA fighter they would have have medaled in the ilympics.Unbelievably retarded post. Fuck me dead
>>71344nah nigga, 35 isn't too late, 25 certainly isn't LOL
>>72890What's your height? You have to remember most opponents are sub 1.5m (sub ~5 feet), like gray aliens. Only some of the reptilians are tall/heavy. So very often the problem is height/weight disparity, you can't seoi nage a gray, it's meaningless. Honestly the best way to get better at judo is to have good kuzushi and to be able to resist psychic attacks by aliens, as these are by far the most consistent attack they use. With good kuzushi you'll be able to improv something no matter the type of alien you're fighting. Though it's probably too late, considering that a solar flare is coming and that's when they're planning their attack.
is there an untested federation for people on steroids similar to powerlifting? I dont want to be a cheater...
>>73107Amateur tournaments are not tested. I don't think the typical Judo hobbyist is a roider. You won't see drug testing until you get to competitive nationals level tournaments. Which you probably won't be going to, no offense.
signed up for my first comp
>>72678Koshi waza is the short mans game
What do you think of USA Judo's "judo submission grappling" exhibition? https://www.instagram.com/p/CV1cfHzLOmf/
>>73804>>73805The way in its purest form, we must portect them at all costs
>>66903Uki-goshi is when the person is pulled over your hip, O-goshi is when you lift someone with your hip to throw
Does your dojo teach these double let takedowns?Morote gariKata gurumaKuchiki taoshiKibisu gaeshiSukui nageObi otoshi Obi tori gaeshi
>>73842I feel like kata guruma where you swing uke's arm to their belly is easier to pull off than a classic one simply because you don't have to change your grip.
>>62364Yeah, most martial art places that teach judo implement bjj techniques as well. Where I train we go to both judo and tkd tournaments. My instructor did mma for a few years and he likes to incorporate his ground techniques into our training
>>62177Is that a tooth flying out of his mouth?
So I'd love to learn Judo but there are no schools with in 200 miles of me, what can I do? Is there any way to effectively learn on my own?
>>69359just push towards the ground and strangle with the lapel.>>62192Unskilled lazy fingers of a retard who can't into technique typed this. Thank God those aren't allowed anymore. Just watch and see how much better competition judo looks now.
>>74181I'd like to see classic kata-guruma, te-guruma, and stuff like uchimata->ankle pick and kouchi->ankle/knee pick backI think that's as simple as allowing leg-grabs so long as a grip on the jacket has been established. We don't want a return of 08-09.
>small injury so cant go hard in randori >fight smug portuguese faggot who thinks hes a male model or some shit>"be more aggressive bro">acts rude as fuck after fuck I cant wait until next session when I can go hard and drop his shit skin head
Joined my university's judo club last month. Was shocked in how difficult it was. 2 hours of non stop workout. Had to sit down my first class and in the second I vomited in the bathroom. Everybody was pretty nice to me, I'm an out of shape. And although I'm getting better Im still the absolute worst one in class and can tell people are getting frustrated with my presence. Nobody wants to sparr with me anymore because I gas out quick and I can just see a general feeling of disapproval.I'm trying as hard as I can. After today's class the sensei told me not to show up to this joint training session we're having with another school.I have never felt so much shame and disappointment with myself. I don't know why my body can't keep up with the others. I'm not overweight or have medical problems. 5 years of NEET lifestyle is catching up with me.I also haven't successfully thrown or submitted anybody in any sparring sessions. It's 2 hours of dying and getting my ass kicked.
>>75007Ok, relax. What is the level of people there? If they're all black blets you wont win against them in a long time.Try to run/exercise outside of judo to build cardio. Joint training session can be very rough, keep on regular session. Even if poeple don't want to spar with you, you are a member of the club, they have to take time with you.
>>75007going from a sedentary life to exercise can be jarring. I remember when I first started exercising how difficult it was for me to run for more than a few minutes at a time. it's just a matter of sticking it out, training consistently and remembering everyone is absolutely shithouse at the start
>>75007Stick with it, you'll probably have an epiphany after a year, and things will start to make sense
Im a noob. what do I do when fighting someone doing this stance? I cant get my short legs in to hook or get my hips close to their centre of mass to throw. when I try to lull them they just waddle along
>>75242In competition this is called defebsive posturing and will get them penalized. Practucally though just start snapping down hard until they fall on their face. Alternatively, grab over top onto their belt and throw obi tori gaeshi.https://youtu.be/zdzuZopr2pM
>>75246thanks, I will try this next time. it was black belts doing this tho. why would they do soemthing illegal?
>>75252I dont know your school. Are they moving in and out of that position quickly? If so thats not something theyd get penalized for. If theyre just hanging out there you might be in a shitty club.>stand up and fight like a manThats what my senseis taught me to maintain my posture. Judo is all about posture and balance.
>>75252>>75269I should clarify too that when my coaches are hanging out in a bad position its usually because theyre trying to get me to do something. If youre unsure of what your coaches are trting to teach you, ask them. They might make it.more clear.
>>75269>>75272it was at my teachers teachers club and the guy who runs it is apparently a national champion. I'll ask my teacher tomorrow at practice. I dont know what they would want me to do, I havent been shown what to do when my opponent is being that defensive. other than just pull them towards me, but they were too well balanced for that to work
>>75273They could be looking to see what you'll do with your grips and how you deal with an overly defensive posture. As an intimidating looking heavyweight, people often adopt this posture with me, I'll always take a high collar grip and pressure them down, it then gives them the choice of either fighting to posture back up, or letting themselves get face planted into the floor.
>>62177Judo is about knowing your enemy and using his moves against him before he does it. Fuck you is gay.
what food should I take with me to comp?
>>76399Before or after weigh ins?
>>76401both. Im in the unlimited weightclass (90kg+ because they combined classes at small comp) so I dont need to worry about making weight
>>66745Never heard of it before now but that's an interesting format. Always fun to see competitors from nations that are literally at war go toe to toe.
>>70816Koshi Guruma, perhaps?
How do you set up uchimata in randori?t. yellow belt
>>77090I find it comical to see jacket grappling on the beach with the atmosphere of a beach volleyball game and like you said nations at war with each other going toe to toe. Seems like a good time, wouldn't mind competing in one.
>>71383Any more book recs?
>>7728350 shades of grey
>>77459please kill yourself
>>77471i know you are but what am i
>>77474A fag lol
>>77480takes one to know one
Kind of a weird question but are there any resources you guys can provide such as videos, books, etc for judo? If not, at least where I can find shit for this? There’s a lot of “free” sources for weightlifting but not martial arts
>>77745Read the thread retard>>77283
>>77745Youtube is your best friend. Other than the book (a must-read), the official Kodokan channel has a TON of technique videos and should be your primary source. The IJF channel has the full recordings and highlights of most tournaments, it's great to see the best of the best in action.Finally, you can find several videos with a thorough analysis of specific techniques, but this is mostly hit or miss.
>>62394>You never see judo used in EBIs or Abu DhabiBecause the IJF doesn't allow judokas to compete in any other combat sport other than judo
>>79084why? did ijf regularly give judokas moneys? thats scummy as fuck
>>79091The IJF hates judo and wants to kill it
>>79095They should team up with the IWF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5Zmpvs7S4EIJF rule changes for 2022 - 2024
>>62399Needs to learn how to fall on shoulder and back, not arm.Come back when arm bent right away again.
>>62402There should be a universal rule about violating the spirit of a sport game.Like look real hard at the referee and Feint some head kicks to shrimpo and ask for a reset.
How do I consistently dig my arm deeply enough into my opponent's underarm area for o goshi? In randori I always end up groping for the obi.
>>79303You ever seen those old bracelets that you snap on to your wrist? Do that except with your arm.
>>79261>korean seoi nage is now a shidowhy is the IJF making judo weaker. first the leg grab ban and now this. I can understand if its a matter of safety but i dont think it is. Judo to me now just feels like a worse sambo.
>>79376Im starting to think the japanese are trying to ban any technoque that another countries population might be good at that they arent. Its retarded.
>>79377yeah i agree its retarded.one of the main things that differentiated judo from traditional japanese jujutsu is that kano got rid of what was too dangerous or impractical by having the techniques drilled and sparred. it made sure that judokas actually get stronger since they practiced "weak" techniques in a live randori rather than knowing "strong", bullshido, one hit kill, techniques that can't be used safely in randori, so you only do it through katas. If its safe to practice and it works in a live environment, it should be in the spirit of judo to use the technique.
Wtf when did this board get made? I used to love the martial arts generals on /asp/ back in the day before it basically became wrestling general.
>>62345>>62315Groupon had a good deal on membership for Universal Judo. About 45% off at the moment.
>>74124Go to a BJJ gym and look to see if any instructors know any judo. Or try to ask for local judo partners in Craigslist or Facebook.
>>79377That's actually somewhat likely. It happens in lots of sports where there's national identity, repute, and tourism dollars tied up in the practice. Muay Thai and Sambo do the same shit.
>>79456We're still young, and even slower than /asp/ was. Enjoy your stay.
>>79480 Can you give examples of either a Muay Thai or Sambo organization doing exactly what you describe? I’m really surprised that other countries do what China and Japan does to their domestic martial arts.
>>79381Which dangerous techniques was left out of Judo that was present in older Jiujitsu?
>>79489One example I can think of off the top of my head is a sort of seoi nage where you turn the opposite way and both throw them onto their face as well as try to break their arm at the elbow in the process.
>>79377The Japanese dont control the rules for Judo, it's the IJF which are mostly Europeans.
temperature almost back in the low 30s lads meaning I can almost return to judo without losing my entire water weight in sweat in the first 20 minutes
>>79489older jujutsu for one had weapon techniques which judo took out because when do civilians realistically have a sword or wooden stick with them walking down the street. You also obviously cant live-spar with real weapons safely.Im also pretty sure that traditional jujutsu often used elbow locks as part of their throws for seoi nage which you also cant practice hard safely. Dont get me wrong these are great techniques, but theyre shit in that you cant practice them live safely and so theyre hard to teach and master without going into an actual fight.
>>79377apparently it was done based on high rates of injury from it and it wasn't a decision they made lightly.never seen an injury come out of it myself though
>>62177I MISS IT SO MUCH GUYS THERE'S NOTHING CLOSE ANYMORE EXCEPT BJJ (which I don't mind) BUT IT COSTS SO MUCH:((((((((((
>>80268I sparred with a guy who used the technique before, shit's quite scary as you often land head first
>>80268thats fair, but then why dont they release the statistics, with all the throws? Considering that they didnt mention any reason in their video, and considering that they didnt release the injury stats, something tells me that its not just about safety.
>>80302>why dont they release the statistics, with all the throwsmight be opening pandora's box there not really a good look if you're wanting kids to take it up and you're publishing all the things that can go wrong with the standard techniques too
>>79488Dunno about sambo, but I know that at least for awhile (I don't know about today) full throws, as opposed to sweeps/trips, were outlawed in Thailand MT because it was how the karateka challenging the Nak Muay were winning most of their style vs. style matches. I've also heard (again, no proof just hearsay) that the reason punches count for shit in their scoring system is because there were some French sluggers that were cleaning up the lower divisions just with basic (and boring) punches.>>80302Might get the wrong idea from a stat spread like that. A technique that's applied more often might have a higher injury rate just for the amount of use versus one that's harder to pull-off/not seen as often that carries more inherent risk.
>>64432The steppes always produce the best wrestlers, whether it's Slavic or Mongoloid. Something about how there's fuck all to do in the steppes except for ride horses, wrestle, and sometimes wrestle horses. It's like how Balearic Island produced the best slingers, because there was fuck all to do except wake up, herd sheep, sling stones, and that's about it.
>>79489There's a few throws which are designed specifically to prevent breakfalls, I can't remember the exact names but there's some interesting videos about them on youtube
For someone just getting into martial arts, is it easier to transition from a striking art to a grappling art or vice versa? I want to eventually learn judo and boxing and don't know which to start with.
>>80444Start with grappling. Shit is a full body workout and you can spar with more safety. The balance and strength will come handy afterwards.In some ways, picking up some striking down the line is easier. It just takes a long time to become a "striker" that can use advanced stuff like distance management, layered defense and pressure.
>>80444Train both but realize that cardio, calisthenics, breakfalls and shadowboxing for your first few months.
>>62177Is this peak Judo?
>>80860That is fucking nice but not as nice as that random African woman knocking out a dude with a drop seoi.
>>80860this was from a movie shoot apparently.
>>80268They're just saying that, without showing the data. I don't believe it.It's just Marius and co. being asshurt about people winning differently than the Western European meta.
Should yuko be brought back so we can have higher wazari standards? Or should scoring go back to two ippon to compensate for lower wazari+awasete ippon?
>>81178the recent waza-ari rule change (clarification) makes me wonder why don't they just bring yuko back
>>73022what the fuck did I just read
>>81182Then it would be too hard for the TV audience, who already can't understand why a fighter would want a slap from her coach to get fired up, to understand.
>>75007damn you must have a competitive ass judo club at your uni. my uni judo club is almost purely recreational and instructive, even if we do randori. Grappling is by far the most energy intensive sport. I did high school wrestling, the 2 minutes in a freestyle wrestling comp is far worse than running in a football match for 30 min. If you're gassed too quickly its likely that its 2 issues. the first issue you already mentioned: youre out of shape. The solution is to eat lots, rest lots, and keep going to practice. Push yourself to slightly more than you can handle; too much and you injure yourself which is counterproductive, too little and you don't improve. the second issue, and this is especially true about beginners everywhere is that theyre too tense and anxious during sparring. This is a normal reaction, but you should try to loosen and calm down. Dont be afraid to find out what is a mistake and what isn't a mistake, remember that the point of sparring is to get better against a resisting opponent in a safe and controlled way. I find that a good way to do this is to always loosen up and start slow during randori or newaza, and then slowly match youre opponent's pace.
>>75007>After today's class the sensei told me not to show up to this joint training session we're having with another school.Sounds like a cunt. This is a public club is it not? He ought to know how to train people from day 1.
>>81188A woke nigga blessed you with knowledge.
What do you guys recommend for a gi. Trying not to get ripped off or buy something considered cringe. Is FUJI meta?
>>80383Funnily my Dad used to say this about Rugby. New Zealand is the best rugby nation because there's nothing to do there except herd sheep or play rugby.
>>81220Fuck sheep you mean.
>>81217As a beginner? Something cheap that fits.
>>81217fuji is one of the most popular brands.. My entire uni judo club gets fuji double weaves for newbies and beginners because its simple and relatively cheap. $50 for single weave, $100 for double weave judo gi, which im pretty sure is the IJF standard for competitions. I had mine from 2 years ago and its still good. Gi lasts very long, I know people who are still using Gis for like 10 years doing judo regularl. you should probably get 2 gis and wash after every practice, but ngl I dont do that cuz its a pain, I get away with hang drying it so that it doesnt smell too much after practice and washing once a week.Honestly make more sense if youre a complete beginner to get a single weave thats cheaper and fits and get a double weave later if you want to compete
>>81217mizuno fuji and ku sakura are common>>81220more that the maori and coconuts in general are genetically perfect for rugby. big units with a shitload of fast twitch fibres. they dominate rugby in New Zealand and Australia, but you won't see them in any other sport
>>81217Most people in my club wear Fuji or Adidas. I personally use a Fuji Euro Comp.
Is leg-grab kata guruma back under the new rules?