what's a fun and practical japanese grappling art to pick up as a hobby?I have a few years of boxing experience and was thinking of picking up a japanese grappling art to round it out. are judo and aikido my only options? is aikido even an option? should I just forget about grappling and find a cool karate style like goju-ryu?
>>164316Judo is most likely to be your most practical and most available option. Even if you wanted to do Aikido, its actually rarer than Judo in most places. If you are looking for something more traditional your options are probably limited unless you live in Japan. Most Japanese Jujutsu in the west really isn't Japanese, nor really jujutsu if you want to be pedantic. If you live near a big city your options might be slightly better though.
>>164317I do live in japan. I went to a few boxing gyms but they were a bit of a joke so I figured I'd have more luck trying to find a japanese martial arts dojo. keen to hear if you have any other suggestions, but I was leaning towards judo for the reasons you described.
>>164320Not that Anon, but...You ARE in Japan? Well, then you have many options. You might want to search for Kudo, thats a combination of Judo and Karate.It might be also worthwile to check out Taido, its a Karate Style that looks kinda similiar to Capoeira and is really hard to find in the west. You may also be able to find some gyms training Shuai Jia, thats chinese wrestling although that may be the rarest one to find.
>>164316Judo, any other answer isn’t going to fit the “practical” part of your question.
>>164320Are you actually Japanese or an English teacher-San? If the former why the fuck weren’t you doing judo in high school already. It’s your national sport.
>>164335It's hilariously telling how many niggers on this site never consider it might be someone on the 23 American bases in nipland
>>164348>joining the American military in 2023lol, lmao even. Either way just do judo, crayon muncher.
>>164316Catch wrestling.Japan is one of the few places with a verified lineage of catch wrestling that's still around.
>>164320Well if you live in Japan your options are different. Do you have any martial arts experience? I also tend to like the more traditional arts but I think they can be hard to evaluate without some practical experience. If you are looking for a traditional art your best bet is to look up a koryu jujutsu style. However if you are looking for something where you can do a lot of sparring or competing, Judo or some of the other arts mentioned here would be better.
>>164316Why do you want to do a japanese grappling art in particular? It doesn't seem like you care which art so much, as long as it's japanese.If you're looking for effectiveness in grappling, non-olympic judo is good, any kind of western wrestling is good, brazillian jiu jitsu is good (only if they do a lot of stand up stuff, i don't think it's in your best interest to train in a gym that prioritizes guard pulling). The most important thing is to pick a place near by that has people you like talking to where no one is getting injured. Have fun!
>>164738>non-olympic judo>Brazilian jiu-jitsu that does a lot of stand up>western wrestling outside of high school or college
>>164352>joining is the only way to be thereAnother telling statement.
>>164776>I work some obscure contractor position on a military base, and I’m going to give you no indication as to what it is>what a fucking retard you are for not assuming this instead of the common ways American foreigners end up in JapanOk
>>164334unless the person you are fighting is not someone who is allergic to the ground
>>164316Kūdō (空道, Kūdō) daido juku, literally MMA karate with grappling.
>>164794Yeah dude because most people who would give you trouble on the street are fucking jiujitsu specialists, obviously.
>>164778>I can't concieve of having a familyAnd there we are.
>>164764well, yeah. olympic judo is massisvely cucked compared to what it would be outside of the olympics. Bjj with standup (wrestling) is as good as it gets in terms of just grappling, man. Annnnd yeah it's really hard to find a wrestling club outside of schools, but if you could, it'd be pretty good. Am I wrong?
>>164827Given by how regular people watch MMA and wrestling, you better know how to throw them down quick if you want to.Most people can use pretty shitty boxing to knock out an opponent if they are explosive enough as long as the size difference isn't huge, also kicks to the balls and legs are common.
>>164899Recommending people only train obscure niche versions of popular combat sports isn’t practical advice and regular bjj or judo is going to suit people just fine for any drunk scrub who would fuck with them on the street.>>164968>Given by how regular people watch MMAliterally irrelevant. There’s a fucking onion piece about this that always makes me giggle.https://www.theonion.com/report-average-male-4-000-less-effective-in-fights-th-1819576624>you better know how to throw them down quick if you want to.Which a competent judoka can. Hell, most competent bjj fags can sloppily take shitters to the floor too. I can tell you this from experience, I’ve done it more than once.>Most people can use pretty shitty boxing to knock out an opponent if they are explosive enoughSo what?>also kicks to the balls and legs are common.And? I feel like you made this post just to start an argument without having a coherent point. Are you trying to suggest grappling is impractical because “well id just kick ur balls”? If so lol, lmao.
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>>164316Jap Goju mostly died off after it morphed into Kyokushin, but of course you could easily find it in Okinawa still. In the main islands it's probably bit harder to find a place to train, but they do exist.Judo.is probably your best options, though, every street corner dojo is gonna have amazing Judo guys practicing there in Japan, so the overall quality level is the highest you can find. Other Japanese grappling arts are probably a bit too niche to have a large enough talent pool to push you to become better.
>>164316I practiced Aikido several years, it's a very good tool for descalation of conflict. It has almost exclusively grapples and techniques about redirect attacks.I'd advise that you practice it for a couple months and then you decide. I know several club bouncers that got promotions for being able to reduce someone without harming them.
>>164316I'd like to learn Aikido mostly for all the joint locks and take downs. Judo looks great for the sports aspect. I'd also go non-Japanese and do Silat . I'm primarily an FMA, Krav Maga and JKD Concepts guy.
>>167357>I'm primarily an FMA, Krav Maga and JKD Concepts guy.That explains why your reccomendations are so retarded
>>167360So what are you? Brazilian Jujitsu? You like rolling on the ground with other men? FMA, JKD, and Krav all have ground fighting also.
>>167381I’ve cross trained Brazilian jiu-jitsu, I am primarily a judoka. I dabble in kickboxing also. All the martial arts you listed for concepts are fake and gay just like you which explains why you think judo is “good for sport” but instead think people ought to learn fucking aikido lolhttps://youtu.be/N8t_73QjtwA?feature=shared
>>167383I like Judo and I have used a few Judo throws effectively in sparring matches. I picked up on some pieces of Brazilian Jujitsu also. As far as my Filipino Martial Arts training, it's weapons based so it's no possible to fully pressure test it on someone without severely injuring. ...and Aikido, much of Aikido comes from the Samurai Sword and learning how to prevent injury , how to fall without injury, or just simple survival. The real Aikidio masters are the guys that take the big hits and falls from the teachers.
>>167384>The real Aikidio masters are the guys that take the big hits and falls from the teachers.As if literally every other grappling art doesn’t teach people how to fall>muh flip weapon artsActual unironic meme and I don’t understand why people promote it so much. Flip martial arts are just poorly adapted Spanish fencing principles.
>>167385The Spanish feared Filipino bladed arts and that's why they banned their practices which is how stick fighting came to be.The art is beautiful, effective, and therapeutic. People can still enjoy the art in there old age. Arts like BJJ and kick boxing are great, but you guys are going to be in pain in your older years if you go too hard.
>>167408>wildly flail around with no control, defense or technique>MUH FEARED FLIP SWORD FIGHTINGLmfao, go watch dog brothers and watch how it devolves into grappling and mma almost immediately. At least those weirdos fight full contact though. The FMA guys “doing it into old age” don’t spar.
Weapons that simulate blades do not need heavy sparring. Real Sword fights usually end in 20 seconds or less, once a major artery is hit the fight is as good as over. There’s just no true pressure test in FMA except live bladed fight.
>>167414What are you talking about? FMA has multiple levels of sparring. They even have tournaments.
>>167464yes I know about all those tournaments with padded sticks and padded armor, it's all sport, just like boxing is a sport with the padded gloves and ring, just like UFC is a sport, , kick boxing is a sport, modern muay thai is a sport.
>>167414I know about Dog Brothers, heck one of my teachers is a Dog Brother. Students of JKD are in the Dog Brothers. Many people from different styles are part of Dog Brothers. The Dog brothers speak highly of JKD and also remember the history of many Old Filipino masters and practitioners. And about jujitsu and ground fighting, Filipino Martial Arts encompass those as well.240ww
>>167475This isn’t me>>167464Most of what I’ve seen from FMA is controlled pattern drills and when it expands into free practice it ends up looking like Polish cross cutting but with far less control. Genuinely, I know a fair amount about Spanish fencing and the flips do it extremely poorly, they don’t apply even basic concepts in practice like attacking from the off line. Just spazzing out and throwing their “stick” or whatever at every movement.>>167477JKD is for larpers. This isn’t the W you seem to think it is.
>>167479Not having good sparring, and I'm not saying I agree since I haven't looked to deeply into it, isn't the same as saying they don't spar. In fact its completely different.
>>167479Spanish fencing is all about math and science on flat solid ground. It's more about dueling, but on the battlefield there are many more variables and factors than on that spanish fencing grid. If Spanish fencing were so great then Magellan would not have lost his head to pre-colonial Filipinos.
>>167360You think you know so much, but you're like a religious nut stuck in tunnel vision to the true glory of Gods Universe.
>>167479Spanish Fencing Destreza is Stabbing, Kali Escrima is Slashing. Albeit there is still some limited cross training among both arts as Kali Escrima sometimes uses Destreza too especially its Espada y Daga techniques I think Destreza has short knife fighting from Flips too.
>>167491Warfare is decided by the individual skill of soldiersIf you’re the guy I was originally responding too you’re even more retarded than I thought. If you’re someone else then you’re more retarded than a jkd poster.>>167494Not an argument>>167510Destreza has both cutting and thrusting you retard and the spainiards considered disarming the opponent to be the ideal way of fighting. You have no idea what you’re talking about.>>167486>hey look here, they have sparring they just train themselves incorrectly as a joke
FMA / Kali is not just slashing. It is both thrust and slash. Much of the offense and offensive counters revolve around repeated thrust and slash. In sports competition FMA the thrust is banned because of the inherent danger. now is Spanish Fencing the best style of sword fighting in the world? All I know is stories from Hollywood movies , Italians, French, British they all used to have sophisticated sword fighting systems.
>>167607>Spanish Fencing the best style of sword fighting in the world?No lol, Spaniards were too autistic and focused on some retard mathematics
>>164316Judo definitely
>>167607> Sophisticated sword fighting system.> Stab stab stab the motherfucker before pommeling his head in!
>>164317Every school that taught Aikido where I live has some weird slightly cultish tint to it.
>>168790Most aikido schools are money grubbing schools anyway, aikido should be taught only after Judo experience not without.
>>168822The more I look at Aikido, it’s a style for advanced martial artists, It also helps a lot if the practitioner is tall and knowshow to use his/her height for advantage. I’d say have a foundation in Judo, karate, and kendo, then take Aikido. if you want to go for the Japanese complete warrior type take Ninjitsu also.
>>168915Or just do Judo and if you want to spend time on another martial art learn a striking art like kickboxing
>>168822>>168915You’d be better off just practicing more judo than learning meme locks.>it’s muh masters artYeah this guy looks like a real master.https://youtu.be/MmEx8Moy7ro?feature=shared
>>168915Buddy Aikido is a fake martial art. The moment you fight a resisting opponent it shatters your entire worldview. I've seen this happen in judo to new guys who were coming from aikido and they immediately realized it was all bullshit.
>>168945>>168967Tomiki Aikido has live sparring and competitions, and the techniques looks pretty good. Aikido has problems because Ueshiba's took his personal spiritual beliefs and imposed them on some of the old Jujutsu techniques, cucking the martial art from the beginning, but the movements themselves are fine.
>>169856Frankly this did not happen. Ueshiba did have some odd religious beliefs, but pacifism or not hurting people were not among them. On the other hand, unlike Kano and Tomiki, he never organized his teachings into formal sets of kata in a systematic or rational manner to aid in teaching. He just kind of did his own thing and expected his students to copy. He also did couch his explanations in religious and philosophical language that even his top students found unintelligible
>>167353Gay and cringe, advice against it, it requires a Judo or other stand up clinch art.
>>169860The end result is still the same, Ueshiba's aikido works significantly worse than the Aikido established by Kano's students by combining Aikido's techniques with Judo's methodologies.
