Thread for judo (other jacketed wrestling styles welcome)>Discussion starterWhat rule changes would you like to see the IJF make after the upcoming Olympics, based on what you’ve seen this cycle so far?>IJF World Tour Schedule 2023 June 23-25 - Ulaanbaatar Grand SlamAugust 4-6 - Hungary Grand SlamAugust 18-20 - Zagreb Grand PrixSeptember 22-24 - Baku Grand SlamOctober 20-22 - Abu Dhabi Grand SlamDecember 2-3 - Tokyo Grand Slam>watch: https://www.youtube.com/c/judolive.ijf.orgPrevious thread: >>138304
>>143764>rule changes id likenone?
>What rule changes would you like to see the IJF make after the upcoming Olympics, based on what you’ve seen this cycle so far?Ude Garami ban. You’re not allowed to attack the shoulder and it’s only allowed because of a stupid technicality. Either allow shoulder attacks or, preferably, ban Ude Garami.
>What rule changes would you like to see the IJF makeUnban standing Kata Guruma.
>>143768>he wants to see more injuriesLiterally the reason why Judo is dying
>>143771Judo is literally the most popular sport in the world you retard, it’s not dying.
>>143771Why don't you just crawl on your hands and knees you pussy.
>>143775There was literally a Reddit thread about this made by a popular Judo influencer less than a week ago, Judo numbers are going down.https://www.reddit.com/r/judo/comments/12srt5l/judo_slowly_dying/>>143776Why don’t you learn how to use uchi mata?
>>143779>Reddit thread>Judo influencer
>>143779You know, there's more to Judo than Uchi Mata. Like, Osoto Gari and Seoi Nage. Or, O-Goshi. You should read the full list of throws, it might help you promote to Yellow Belt.
>>143783All suitable throws which makes standing kata guruma unnecessary. It was banned for a good reason, the IJF knows and cares more about Judo than you.
>>143785>the IJF knows and cares more about Judo than you.Are you Jewish by chance?
>>143779>people are sedentary and obese and don't do sports anymoreNo shit retard, welcome to the Industrial Revolution. It's only going to get worse.
>>143767Retarded faggot. What shoulder attacks aren’t allowed? Stop posting this stupid shit.
>>143771There’s no more danger to standing kata guruma than any other throw
>>143785Jigoro Kanos favourite throw was kata guruma. I think he knows and cares abo it judo more than you
>>143764bring back leg grabs and korean seoi. Remove head diving hansoku makeallow more time for newaza, and allow more submissions in newaza (unban jaw cranks and leglocks)Getting thrown on your face and your stomach should be waza ari.This is a rule proposal that i know is going to be controversial, but make turtling and guard osaekomis (or a less punishing version of it) instead of forcing a standup. I think we need to punish people who do shite drop throws and sacrifice throws by making the position you find yourself after those throws pins if you cant get back up. And it makes sense to me in a real life setting. If you cant sweep or submit people in guard, or get back up from turtling. You're going to get your head bashed by the person on top. I also think it has the doubled effect of unbanning jumping to guard since the guard player now need to actually do something or else will lose by osaekomi.
>>143814>bring back leg grabs and korean seoi. Remove head diving hansoku makeallow more time for newaza, and allow more submissions in newaza (unban jaw cranks and leglocks)>Getting thrown on your face and your stomach should be waza ariAgree on all this>This is a rule proposal that i know is going to be controversial, but make turtling and guard osaekomis (or a less punishing version of it) instead of forcing a standup. I think we need to punish people who do shite drop throws and sacrifice throws by making the position you find yourself after those throws pins if you cant get back up.I like where your heads at but I think you’re going about it the wrong way. Make turtling a shido for stalling. Giving more time for newaza solves the issue of using guard to stall because now you’ll have more opportunity to either set up a submission from there, do a turnover, or have your guard passed so I don’t think there is a need to punish being in guard, especially since it is a legitimate defensive position to fight from. Turtling is the real problem and sort of the reason so many judokas ground game I lackluster. So much training time is wasted on learning ways to break the turtle.
>>143800I assume he wants ashi sankaku garami banned as well then, but I never see him mention it, so I assume he's trolling for (you)s by wanting to ban the lock named after arguably the most famous Judo player known world wide barring it's founder.
UNBAN ALL THROWS, LEG GRABS AND LEG LOCKSALL GRIPS ALLOWEDTOTAL IJF DEATH
>>143817>make turtling shidoid be down with that. I think you can get rid of the leg grab shido issue with this. Give shidos after 10-30 seconds. Another rule I would add is that shidos shouldnt also be a matte, so you can rack 3 shidos if you dont escape from your shit position or stalling.I am very torn on guard, i love it as a position in newaza but i hate buttscooting and jumping to guard. In bjj, i propose that you should force a standup if one person is butrscooting and the other person doesnt want to pass guard, im not sure how we should do it in judo. personally, id give it shido similar to turtle and let it accumulate overtime so that if you cant stand up, sweep, or submit from guard you get a 3 shido loss. Its just that guard should be an easier position to escape and get up from compared to turtle, so guard as a legit defensive position would be better than turtling in that way.>>143831forgot about this. Yes. All grips should be legal. even overpowered ones. let the sport develop defenses against "overpowered" grips like pistol grips.
>>143775What the fuck, it's not even the most popular martial art. Whatever, have your (you). >>143779>reddit thread>judo influencer (whatever that means)>source: some jap infograph that shows that the faggiest, most cowardly country in the world now has less people interested in bettering themselvesIf anything, judo is getting more and more people in places other than japan and the US. In Brazil it is extremely popular, some saying its more popular than BJJ, believe it or not.
This thread is REEKING with SEETHING IJF Shills.
>>143835I think shidos should still be a matte if it's as a result from standing, otherwise you're going to either allow guard pulls because BJJ guys will just pull guard and then get 90 seconds to sweep or submit, or a wrestler will just ankle pick, take the one shido, and hold you down in guard for 90 seconds, but I do like your way of thinking. I wonder if the following is possible:>turtle/prone counts as a pin, but you have to be pinned for 30 seconds>swapping between turtle/prone and side control/on your back resets the timer. if you can't hold someone giving you a pinning position you don't deserve the wazari, prioritises actually controlling the person on the ground's movement>can no longer score two wazaris in osaeokomi, one wazari from osaeokomi is a reset to standing. prevents someone from being taken down, sweeping, and winning straight off of groundwork. gives person being pinned a chance to throw for ippon again.cont...
>>143835>>143857In regards to guard pulling in BJJ and guard as osaeokomi, I just want to preface this by saying that I've done BJJ/MMA for over 15+ years, taught for 5+ years and only trained judo for 5 years. I've never pulled guard in a match, never pulled guard in sparring, never taught a guard pull and never will encourage any of my students to pull guard BUT in grappling (and BJJ specifically), the person pulling guard and butt scooting is the attacker and if you're running away from a guy on the ground, you're the one refusing to engage. In grappling, guard is an offensive position. You're not likely to see the person on bottom guard get submitted very often, it's the person in guard that's being attacked, so if I see someone running from a butt scooter, I can only think it's because they're not confident in their passing, or they're scared of being submitted.>but in the street I'll punch you in the face or kick you in the headIf you're involving strikes, I'm just going to jab a judoka from distance if they don't keep their hands up. The idea of basing grappling around striking when you can't even strike is stupid. If you want to strike and grapple, do Sambo or MMA or Kudo or any of the other sports. If you care about self-defence, don't train an art that doesn't let you strike and grapple. I hardly even train to compete in BJJ off my back anymore. Pretty much only passing and top position. And I'll usually do well because I'll throw someone in my first match, then everyone pulls guard and I know how to pass it. If someone pulls guard they're pretty much gifting you the win if you're good at passing.
>>143835>>143857>>143861In regards to guard in Judo though, I'm similarly torn like you, because I see it as an offensive position, but that might just be my BJJ experience. Usually if someone is "pinning" you in guard in grappling, they're head down, hugging your body and doing basically nothing but holding on like their life depends on it, which isn't really offensive. An argument could be made that the person being "controlled" is the person on top, as they can't stand up to disengage or submit easily, which are similar traits to side control or mount, but it feels weird "punishing" someone for a top position. I think maybe something like this could work:>guard isn't a pinning position, but you only have 30 seconds to work in guard until matte is called.>half-guard is a similar position to what was previously mentioned in turtle, where it takes 30 seconds to get pinned for a wazari, but matte is called after. If you recover guard, the 30 seconds timer for guard starts.>a separate ne waza clock, where each instance of ne waza can only occur for 60 seconds before matte is called UNLESS currently in a hold. Matte is called immediately if the hold is escaped and that 60 seconds has expired.>ne waza doesn't count towards the 4 minutes (maybe change to 3 if having a ne waza clock) before golden score.>one person getting to their feet is matte, as is currentlyI think if you add in the above, as well as the rules in >>143857, then each instance of ne waza will end with either ippon by submission, a wazari scored, one person getting to their feet or 60 seconds/guard timer expiring, but with only being able to score a wazari from osaeokomi, it still allows the person being scored against to stand back up and win again in tachi waza. Negatives though are:>might get too complicated monitoring tachi waza clock, ne waza clock and guard timer>matches take longer to go to golden score if tachi waza clock is paused during ne waza>harder for casuals to watch
>>143857>>143861>>143866nigga i am not reading all of this
>>143867Yeah I'll greentext it so someone that isn't a manic schizo like me can follow it:>60 second ne waza clock, after which matte is called unless currently in osaeokomi (or maybe a submission)>you get 30 seconds to escape from turtle or bottom half guard, or a wazari is scored against you>any wazari resulting from ne waza calls for a matte>guard has a separate 30 second timer, which calls for matte if that timer expires>match clock is paused during ne wazaI think this will encourage more people to work back to their feet if a wazari can be called from turtle, but gives them 30 seconds since it's not as bad a position as the other holds, but also give more time to ne waza with the 60 second clock. Pausing the match clock during ne waza will prevent people trying to stall their way to a win, and calling a matte after ne waza wazaris means you either have to have successfully thrown someone (ippon or wazari) to win from ne waza, or have "won" ne waza twice from osaeokomi, meaning the loser had at least two chances to win by throw. The guard timer might not be necessary looking back.
>>143814It's funny you mention turtle because there's been a lot more wrestling-style turtle play in MMA over the last few years - they'd rather try to granby roll out of turtle or stand back up than take ground£ and potentially get TKO'd from guard>>143817What about giving a wazari per 20-seconds of ride time for the top player? Put the onus on the bottom turtle player to sit out and try to reverse the position.
>>143857>one wazari to standupi wouldnt mind this at all.>turtle/prone as a pini would be down for this. I genuinely think thay turtle is a much shittier position than guard, but what im looking for is consistency and simplicity. Its the idea that the less rules and more freedom the more space judo will have to evolve. Because maybe im completely wrong and turtling isn't much worse than guard, but if we just punish turtling wholesale we could be stifling its potential as a bottom position, as silly as that sounds. I think craig Jones made the argument that turtling and giving up your back is not horrible in MMA, for example.>>143861>>143866Personally, i dont see guard as an offensive option. Its definitely one of the BEST defensive options because of how much you can do from there. And i completely agree with you that it should not be punished as much as turtling. But again, my brain wants simpler rules. It makes it easier to ref a match, makes it easier for people to watch. My idea of simpler rules is to treat every bottom position as "disadvantageous". But maybe its too simple. an even more revolutionary idea to make judo very similar to BJJ is that, but keeps the rule simple, is thay maybe we shouldnt call matte at all for newaza, Submissions only for ippons on the ground. No more osaekomi either. The disadvantage to being in bottom position is that youre going to fatigue yourself faster and be easier to submit. I would still insist that you call a standup if one person disengages and stands up and no longer wants to engage in groundwork, just to put that emphasis on standup that judo is known for.Its probably objectively bad for viewership though. You'd have to make judo matches like ADCC 20 minutes for fatigue to actually play a role and to get submissions, and viewership for normies in the olympics would tank.
>>143893cont.but yeah, my idea of simpler rules is to try and unify grappling together.Ideally, in a "perfect world", there are no rules. its vale tudo on concrete ass floors for infinite amount of time. Youre going to get your back scratched on the floors, if you get thrown you die, etc.but obviously in grappling theres limitations.In my most honest opinion, where i dont care about viewership at all, but still prioritize safety and grappling, Judo should be>no time limit>no shido for stalling (if you tense up for defense and break your own posture to avoid getting thrown you fatigue faster and lose)>maybe get rid of every arbitrary shido>ippon for throwing on head/face/back>waza ari for everything else>unlimited and unrestricted newaza>mutual stand up if you dont want to pass guardI kinda want a way to punish jumping into guard, because i think its a risky ass move to pull IRL, but i probably wouldnt do it. I think that being in guard while it gives you advantage in choices, guard can be tiring if the top guy figures out how to give continuous top pressure without getting swept.However, these rules objectively blow in terms if entertainment value
>>143764yesterday I sparred with a taller strong opponent and I realized that I realy too much on having an high grip or a georgian grip. If I'm not able to achieve them I am pretty much harmless.Now since I plan on putting on some muscles and I will face taller opponents I have to decide if working on seoi nages or o goshi/yagura nage throws
>>143918High grip isn’t great for fighting someone taller but I actually like the Georgian grip a lot for that scenario. In any case I was given the very good advice a long while back to practice the majority of my uchikomis from a neutral collar and elbow (or wrist) grip. That way, if I can’t get a more dominant grip I’d always be comfortable attacking from a neutral position.
>>143936so do you think it's a good idea spending time working on the georgian grip game as a short stocky player
>>143939Yes, but you have to practice breaking taller fighters grips so you don’t get stiff armed and can actually get into that position. Once you have a belt and armpit grip I usually feel like I’m at an advantage being that close while also lower to the ground.
how risky would it be to eat a burger or something at the airport on weigh in day if I'm 2 pounds under and don't drink anything besides coffee? can't think of any sodium and carb-free foods the airport would have to eat before weigh-in, and would like to not fast completely before the evening when the scales are open to step up on
>>143986consider how large a quarter pounder is and eat something that size or smaller. Be careful with water intake. I think you'll be fine. Unless the scale you have been using is fucked up, in which case there is really nothing you can do.
>>143986At that point, it doesn't really matter what the makeup of the food is, but how much it actually weighs. 2 pounds of coffee and 2 pounds of water weigh the same as 2 pound of soft drink.
>>143764>judo 4x a week>bjj 1x a week>lifting 2x a week>workout A: squat, bench press, rows>workout B: deadlift, overhead press, pull-ups>stretching randomly everydayThis is my ideal schedule. I can only maintain it for a few weeks, then I'm just constantly tired (I'm getting 9 hours of sleep and on a 500 calorie deficit trying to drop a few lbs and hit the next weight class). Is this too unsustainable for someone in their late 20s? What would you change?I regret not getting into judo in life.
>>144003Testosterone Replacement Therapy.
>>144003When do you work?
>>144013I suck dick for money through gloryholes for $20 each dick, so I get to choose my own hours. I usually work after 10pm when people are finished at the pub, so I'm free to work all night if there's enough dicks to be sucked.
>>144003>All those memesWhy not sports specific strength training or gpp? Why BJJ?The way you're training now you're doing 3 different sports at the same time, of course you'll burn out.
>>143802It was uki goshi you liar
>>143785Yeah, minting NFTs and hiding Gran Slams behind a paywall sure shows so
>>144072In my defense, and upon googling, it turns out I was wrong because someone else lied to me. There is still a story to go with kata guruma though and I don’t think Kano would’ve wanted it banned.>After a great deal of hard work, Jigoro Kano devised this technique while he was still a young man studying at the Tenshin Shinyo Dojo. With him there was a certain Fukushima who was not only an advanced student but a large well-built man as well. It was a great source of displeasure to Kano that regardless of how hard he tried he could not beat this Fukushima. He worked day and night pouring over books on wrestling and sumo and finally came up with the kata guruma which one day enabled him to hurl mighty Fukushima to the floor.
>>144076Thanks for sharing the story anon
>>144059Good neck work but you need to round out your routine. I'd recommend adding in 3 sets of jerking off for grip strength. Plus 3 sets of fucking your boyfriend in the ass for hip strength and cardio.
What belt is the average /judo/ka here?
I just got back from class and did a lot of randori with a taller guy who used inside grips and high-collar grips to set up Uchi Mata. I'm a lot stronger than he was (but far less experienced) so I was able to brute force my way to stiffle his grip, but it felt like I was using a lot more effort and focus than he was. Any advice?>>144217I'm green belt/Gokyu. Still a beginner.
>>144217Most people posting here have either never trained or trained less than six months.That said, ikkyu. Brown belt. Testing for my shodan later this year.
>>144217orange. heavyweight judo is hell though. i can throw lighter people most of the time but landing a single throw on someone my weight class (220/100kg) is so fucking tough. I'm a dyel so that doesn't help either.
>>144217Doing this shit for 9 years and still a Whitey.
>>144250I don’t know who’s teaching you but fat man judo and Manlet judo is completely different and you should make sure your learning from the experienced fatties>t. Manlet judoka>>144255How?
>>144256Never did promotions.
>>144257It’s weird hearing about places that require promotion tests and what not. I usually assume that shit is only associated with daycare TKD clubs. My club just hands you a new belt when they think you’re ready.
>>144260Addendum, the exception to this is the transition from brown to black belt because you have to get your belt from the USJF
>>144260Brown-Black is the only one people really care about.In practice, people tend to think about it like White belts - Fruit Salad Belts - Brown Belts - Black Belts
>>144262Orange to green matters too because it changes what tournament division you fight in
>>144260Australia has a test for every belt. Pic related is the requirements for kyu. It's weird to hear you say that you don't like requirement tests though, as most of the people within judo I've spoken to almost seem dumbfounded that we don't have a syllabus in BJJ for belts (I'm a BJJ coach on the side). There's kind of a knowledge of how good you are for each belt, and it's just based on that like what it sounds like your gym has.
>>144217I'm a brown belt
>>144260>I usually assume that shit is only associated with daycare TKD clubs. My club just hands you a new belt when they think you’re ready.I partially agree, because there's people that care way too much about belts, suck at randori/shiai and literally can only do good quality throws against a non-resisting opponent for the test, but also think it's good to have some sort of standard that needs to be demonstrated. Just giving out belts to people "when they're ready" is good, but for example even a player that primarily uses ashi waza should be able to throw a decent variety of hip throws decently and know what they're called/how to defend them, and testing can be a good way to gauge that.Just don't have people test until they're good enough at randori/shiai that it makes sense, if they're already ready it's just an hour or two extra anyway and anyone that can deal with competition nerves effectively isn't gonna be phased by needing to demonstrate some static throws and get feedback on them from higher ranks.
>>144061>>144003>squat, bench press, rows, deadlift, overhead press, pull-ups>memesI don't understand your post, Those are the all totally standard lifts for anyone doing GPP/strength training for judo, or pretty much any sport. Like you can youtube pretty much any national judo team training and you're basically guaranteed to see those lifts, plus cleans and snatches
>IJF thought police banning judoka for wrongthink
I finally figured out how to properly execute a split-hip seoi nage. The main key was bumping the hip of the uke while pulling the moment your leg lunges in. Even the +100kg guy in the club went over my shoulder much smoother than a traditional hip throw. Any more tips?
>>144550>approved to compete>banned for wrongthinkNice reading comprehension, retard
>>143847>If anything, judo is getting more and more people in places other than japan and the US. In Brazil it is extremely popular, some saying its more popular than BJJ, believe it or not.Brazilian here, they lied to you, its notThere are 5 bjj gyms in my town and i need to drive for 3 hours for a judo gym
>>143847Judo is very popular in Nigeria for some reason.
>>143847There was a French guy in the Reddit thread that said while Judo is popular in France, it's popularity is overstated because they count everybody that does it in school sport. So while the numbers are high because you have a constant stream of kids at school, the amount of people that do it when they're not forced to is quite lower, sorta like how I did tennis for a term in school but I wouldn't call myself a tennis player.
I hope Judo dies
>>144746I don't want Judo to die, but it want it to shrink enough that the IJF gets their shit together.
>IJF nuthugger posthttps://old.reddit.com/r/judo/comments/137fjrp/what_the_international_judo_federation_got_right/
>>144707>There are 5 ne waza gyms in my town and i need to drive for 3 hours for a nage waza gymftfy
>>144003You will lose weight eating slightly above maintenance and suffer less
>>144217yellow belt for 6 years, training regularly, hit up open mat twice a week but I never attend the actual class so I'm not allowed to get a promotion since he gives tests and I'm never there for themthe yellow belt only came about because I went into the green belt division as a white belt and won 2 weight classes then the next time I went to the club the instructor threw a yellow belt at me and said "take that fucking white belt off"my goal is to one day achieve a brown belt through osmosis the same way I did with the yellow one and that's as good as a black belt for me since I have no intention of ever joining a federation and going through the promotional tournament system
>>145325based. Belt systems are unnecessary.
>>144217Quit at orange belt as a kid.Picked it back up again and my teacher wants me to keep wearing orange despite having forgotten all of the moves.Most of the other guys in my class are brown or black belts.
>start judo about a month ago>thrown into randori 1st day>having fun, learn a few moves but frequently end up in positions I haven't drilled>normally just tap out and reset when this happens>doing newaza with green belt>ending up in a bunch of ground positions i haven't drilled yet like mount and full guard>sensei yelling at us to fight>my arm gets stuck under him during a transition>snap crackle pop>dislocate elbow>forward x rays to dr friend>she thinks all the ligaments are torn off the bone>will likely be out for nearly a year if i want to go back>may never regain full function of elbowis my sensei an idiot?
>>145345yes and also you might even have a lawsuit because general lability wavers don't cover negligence
>>145332Not sure about your specific case but I have come across that a bit. There's a lot of unconscious movement and habits that you'll still have instinctually (stuff like walking, grabbing, ukemi) that might seem normal and common sense to you, but newbies won't know. It can be a bit demoralising for new people if they go against you and assume you're what a white belt is, and if you're beating up higher ranks as a white belt. The reasoning I've heard is that it's more for others than yourself, but IMO once you've earnt a belt, you keep that belt for life.For example, I've got a Kyokushin 1st Dan from like 15 years ago and I can remember a few katas, but I wouldn't do them as cleanly as a 1st Dan, and my footwork isn't as clean but I still have footwork (probably because I just dropped Kyokushin, not martial arts in general) but if I walked into a gym with a white belt, I'm sure I could clean up anyone from the first few belt levels and it'd be pretty demoralising for them, whereas if I walk in with my black belt and don't do as well as someone as my level should, it can just be covered with "oh he's a bit rusty".
>>145346Retard>>145345You signed the waiver, shit happens. I don’t even understand how this happened. Your arm was trapped under him and then what? You tried to roll away in the opposite direction? What caused your arm to break?
>>145345Also no your sensei isn’t an idiot. I regularly put newbies in uncomfortable positions, wait for them to give up, then show them how to escape properly. I’ve never had someone snap their shit because their arm was trapped under me. I still can’t imagine a way that could’ve happened without it being entirely your own fault.
As a kickboxer who recently got into bjj(gi and no gi), I'd also love to give judo a go.I won't get any love for this but generally judo matches look boring to me. I'd love to learn the throws and basics but I don't see myself going serious with judo or for belts I prefer bjj (and mma).What would you recommend just go and train? Any idea how long it takes to learn some basic throws and so?
>>145389>judo matches look boring to meAre you serious? Every MMA, boxing, thai boxing, kickboxing, and bare knuckle boxing match looks the same. Judo is the only one that you know is Judo.
>>145383wavers are rarely even written by a lawyer so they often don't include the language needed to make them enforceableinformed consent is the key here, and if the coach sent a beginner in against someone experienced and the beginner was seriously injured it falls on the coachit's no different from putting a beginner boxer in the ring and he a traumatic brain injury. People win these cases all the timethe lawyer will sue the gym owner, the coach, the company, the insurance company, and even the buildings landlord and their insurance companythen all those parties will fight it out amongst themselves and the loser pays out because the settlement will cost less than all these legal battlesTrust me, I grew up on long island, I know how to sue people
>>145413you’ll be laughed out of court.>informed consent>your honor I didn’t know the combat sport I signed a waiver for and knew in advanced involved arm breaking locks could end up with my arm breakinglol, lmao. Have fun paying those legal fees.
>>145415personal injury is almost always pay when you winthe lawyers wont take a case if they don't think it has legsthey'll bring in an expert witness to explain how armbars are not permitted below brown belt, a significant injury like this was completely unforeseeable when he signed the document and he did not fully understand what he was agreeing toand the coach did not take reasonable safety precautions to ensure a beginner wasn't injured insurance exists for a reason, If those wavers did anything then they wouldn't need to carry insurancethe waver is generally just a bluff to dissuade people from even tryingplus we now have the very high profile case rener gracie perjured his side to victory on which set a precedent which basically tells us an advanced practitioner injuring a beginner even if it's during the normal course of training can still be treated as negligence
>>145416>personal injury is almost always >pay when you winlol, let me give you a hint. It ain’t your own lawyers fees you’re going to be paying.>the lawyers wont take a case if they don't think it has legsWhich this one doesn’t, and also you aren’t a lawyer>they'll bring in an expert witness to explain how armbars are not permitted below brown belt, a significant injury like this was completely unforeseeable when he signed the document and he did not fully understand what he was agreeing toand the coach did not take reasonable safety precautions to ensure a beginner wasn't injuredLmfao, k you find that guy. I’ll cite a dozen tournaments in the last year where armbars were allowed in the whitebelt division. I’ll bring someone in to state that broken bones are a standard part of judo and use statistics to prove it. Then I’ll bring in a club member to talk about ukemi and tapping as a regular sports practice and how what OP did could only end in injury to himself of his own volition. Fucking retard.>t. Not a lawyer, but a paralegal with experience. Good luck with this shit dumbass.
>>145417you mean what you're going to do is settle because the cost of the defense you're proposing has already risen to a few hundred thousand dollars
>>145418Presuming you don’t get counter sued for defense fees? Let’s see what I can talk the owner into after you pull this kind of bullshit, I suspect a fighter is going to face this kind of fight rather than run away from it, especially when you’re entirely in the wrong faggot. Have fun getting your ass blown out.
>>145419here's the fact jackhe's going to come at you for $1,000,000and after a bunch of chest beating and posturing for 2 years you and your insurance company will agree to pay for his medical bills, attorneys fees, and 50k in his pocket for pain and sufferingthen you can move on with your life
>>145420lol, lmao. Are you Patrick s. Tomlinson? What’s your degree in?>>145345Anon if you value your money do not do what the above anon is telling you. You’re going to get slapped into the next dimension for your frivolous lawsuit.
>>145421it's not frivolous my guysigning a form might protect the club against bumps and bruises, maybe even a broken bone or an ACL tearbut if his injury is as he says then it's a catastrophic life altering injury. Shredding every tendon in your elbow and being permanently crippled is beyond the scope of what little protection that document could give (since I'll say again there's a 95% chance it wasn't actually drafted by a lawyer and doesn't have much teeth behind it)there are some things you just simply cannot consent to
>>145422>no degree no experience>”let me tell you about the law”lol, lmao. Good luck. Remember you have to convince, in court, that a reasonable person would not understand what they’re getting into.Reasonable person standard counters almost every frivolous suit, including this one
>>145425>white man wins court caseThis proves nothing, the courts will always rule in favour of white men over any minority.
lol judokas are already seething over Fran Garrigos beautiful kata guruma over Takato, how this sport attract such pussies is beyond me
>>145425This isn’t the same thing. He was paralyzed during a demonstration not during a sparring match
>>145442Have you seen the video? They’re rolling/sparring and you can see others rolling in the background.
>>145384it's his job to teach me but instead he throws me into a situation i'm not trained for and i break my arm and it's my fault? i did everything the sensei said so i don't understand how that could be. if i didn't listen to his instructions it would be my fault.
>>145421i'm not suing anyone and will probably go back to some sort of martial art if my elbow works. It was not a sub, as i said my arm got caught in a bad position during a transition.
>>145362Some of it is coming back to me and I did notice I can still break fall and rolls.
>>145445Post it, when I read the story originally it said the instructor was demonstrating and he snapped his neck during it.>>145449>>145450What fucking transition? You still haven’t explained this. And yes your instructor is going to put you on situations your unfamiliar with. You’re not going to become familiar with them otherwise, dummy.
>>145460why not familiarize beginners with positions by drilling and then going live AFTER they've demonstrated some competency in the drills? seems like it would reduce chance of injury.
>>145470Because you can’t familiarize someone with EVERY position and the subsequent movements associated with it before putting them into sparring. It would take years. Even then Sparring is where you start to really use the stuff you’ve learned and if you don’t do that you’ll forget. It’s far better to teach them a few things and then put them in sparring so that they can apply what they’ve learned and solidify it in their memory. The unfortunate consequence of this is that as they’re sparring, because it’s fluid, they’re probably going to end up with some problems they don’t know how to solve yet. That’s not necessarily a bad thing either though. You get to feel what a bad position feels like so you can feel confident about what it’s doing to your opponent when your on the other side of it. Moreover, it is itself a teaching opportunity. Let them get tired trying to escape a pin using muscle and then show them how to do it the judo way.Again, what transition were you on? How did you break your arm?
>>145413>>145415>>145416>>145417>>145418>>145419>>145420>>145421>>145422>>145423>>145425>>145428>>145442>>145445>>145449>>145450>>145452>>145460>>145470>>145472This is not Judo related posting.
>>145476Over half of those are directly about judo and nothing else you tard
>>145472this was a basic position, either mount or guard but i can't remember which. i agree that in reality there are infinite possibilities but it's also known that there are probably 10 or so ground positions. i agree that going live is necessary but maybe not until after you've drilled basics of the main positions. Especially if the alternative is breaking your arm and missing 6 months of training. Again these aren't unusual funky positions. These are basic positions i have not drilled AT ALL.
>>145482>this was a basic position, either mount or guard but i can't remember whichWe’re you on top or bottom? Seriously how did your arm break?Also if you haven’t done newaza at all then yes that’s kind of weird. Normally if I grab a white belt during newaza randori and they don’t know anything I just drill sweeps and passes with them for awhile.
>>145481Thank you based anon for posting, I did some research though and I’m now convinced the real reason that he won the case because Rener Gracie threw the other instructor under the bus. He went on the record as an expert witness and said the other instructor MUST have been acting maliciously and intentionally even though he clearly wasn’t and it was just some freak accident. Should also mention that rener billed 42 hours of his expert testimony $3000/hr. Effectively he was bribed $125,000 dollars to ruin another instructors life. Favela behavior at its finest.
>>145484i honestly can't remember, i think the shock of my arm bending the wrong way and making a bunch of crunchy noises clouded my mind a little but i know we were rolling from one to the other. the only newaza we've drilled so far is turtle and half guard. i think I went in putting too much trust in the sensei. in the future i'm just gonna tap if it's something i'm unfamiliar with and if they don't like it fuck 'em.
>>145498I'll tell you what happened is you were posting against the floor and he grabbed the back of your elbow to pull your arm in and collapse your body which hyper extended itit's a common injury and you should've been warned not to put your arm in that position
>>145498>>145500Was about to come back and post the same thing. For future reference and for anyone else who’s new in the thread, don’t post with your arm extended. Especially do not do it with your fingers facing forward or to the outside. Fingers to the inside always. This will make sure your elbow can bend if it gets pressured.
>>145500i felt like everything was out of position cause i don't know what i'm doing. it seems like a ready, fire, aim strategy doing randori first. now i'm out for months learning zero. i would prefer to just drill as a beginner.
My friend keeps saying inside Te Guruma is one of, if not, the best Judo throws. It's allowed in our practice, and I'm inclined to believe him. Each time he goes to the mat with another guy he does Te Guruma. He gets it about 7/10 times. What is your thoughts on it?
>>145509It’s one of the most underrated techniques that’s been axed by the IJF. Everyone talks about muh double legs as if shooting doubles was ever popular in judo when it was allowed (having a gi makes it a lot easier to stop that kind of takedown). What people WERE often using was te guruma and kata guruma.
>>145509is very good
>>145509some nigga in my dojo keeps calling this the forklift throw
>>145515Kek, I’m never not calling it that now
>>145516he calls so many throws different goofy ass names. he calls various hip throws the ass throws. osoto gari is "the slip" and the reverse mount is "the 69". that last one especially pisses of the groundwork guys
>>145521>the reverse mount is "the 69"Brazilians originally called north-south 69, so there's precedent.
>>145511it wasn't popular because most judokas couldn't shoot, Naidan humiliated Suzuki in 2008
>>145509Basic wrestling throw innit. I think most judoka lack the strength for that. Not a diss just an assumption.
>>145528Brazil also has the highest percentage of ladyboys behind Thailand, so we shouldn't listen to themHmm, now it makes me wonder why muay thai and bjj are so popular in the ufc. Maybe uncle dana has some appetites he isnt telling us about
>>145521Is it even possible for one man to be this based?
>>144217brown belt after just a year of training, in my late 20s nowsuspect my coach has too much faith in me after getting a medal in a national tournament recentlyi hope i can prove him right
>>145542Wanna hear some ass? A guy that had just started been doing judo for 6 weeks but did Greco in college went to an open mat an recieved a brown belt on the spot by a 7th degree thereAnd everyone was rubbed the wrong way by this since just because you're winning judo matches doesn't mean you're at that level in judo specificallyTheres a whole catalogue of techniques using the gi he doesnt know and was given an advanced rankAnd nobody could argue with it because a 7th degree gave it to him so there was nobody above him to challenge it
>>145555Not the anon you’re responding too but honestly I don’t think that’s a big deal because none of the color belts really mean anything. Give him the brown so he can compete at the higher levels of the sport, let him test for black when he actually knows the curriculum
>>145558Does it ruffle your feathers more if I say the person who gave him the belt was not his instructor and he did so without asking his instructor first and went right over his head
>>145559Yes, now that’s fucking weird. Why the fuck would you promote someone else’s student in the first place?
>>145555>just because you're winning judo matches doesn't mean you're at that level in judoim the anon you replied to, can you elaborate on that statement?if you beat 2 brown belts in a tournament, doesn't it mean that you are at their level?one could argue that it makes you more of a brown belt than a guy who is familiar with more throws but never been tested in a tournamentin any case what you described sounds like a one in a million occasion
>>145562You know how these old martial arts guys get drunk on their own hubrisAfter decades of ohhh sensei onegaishimasu!! They start acting like they can do whatever they went>>145563Just because you can beat them in the sport doesnt mean you have the requisite knowledge of the art itselfJudo isnt just a sport but a set of techniques you need to be knowledge aboutWhen mr. Brown belt comes to class and you say ok grab a partner and go back and forth on this combo osoto, kosoto, ouchi and throw on haraiAnd he looks at you and goes lol whut, then he shouldn't have that belt on
>>143764where the fuck can i watch the Doha streams happening these days, with english commentary fucking judotv requires gold membership, whatever that meansnothing on YouTube except small clips don't these merchants realize they are hurting the sport if the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS are not available to watch? so annoying
>>145592pay up piggie
Morote seoi nage is so frustrating to execute. There's so much variables such as tightness of gi, height of opponent, etc. My shoulder as a result gets strained. Is this the reason why ippon seoi nage is more popular (when standing) at high levels?
>>145686morote is effective only as a dropping technique
>>145669 Man that is the worst take I've ever heard
>>145688>morote is effective only as a dropping techniqueIs this true? Come to think of it, most standing seoi nages are of the ippon variant
>>145394This almost never happens they just tug and turtle
>>145669>stronger ground ga-ACK!
>>145863>strongest sportsman of his time from high rivalry sport with 20 kg of bodyweight on top of opponent vs skinny guy that just developped his own local style
>>145954yeah now a mid level BJJ competitor in a sub only contest could defeat even olympic judoka
>>145954>20 kg of bodyweight on top of opponent vs skinny guypure propaganda it was 20lbs not 20kg, Gracie was also taller and created the rules for the matchthere's a reason those fraudsters only did challenge matches against people doing kung fu at the rec center after this event
>>145965it's funny because it's not trueI'm watching smug 20 something purple belts tap to pressure from retired judoka going on their second bypass surgery all the time
>>145954Ah yes, Kimura was a 200 kg super saiyan and Gracie was a 50 kg femboy. Gracie was humble and knew he was going to lose that's why he challenged him in the first place and why they brought a casket for Kimura and told him he was going to die. Also why they were challenging fighters to show that BJJ was superior to judo and all other fighting styles. Oh and Kimura didn't actually win because Helio passed out from being choked and couldn't tap out.
>>145968stop being an emotional retard, Ishii got fucking humbled in grappling contests, much like Kurzhev and other judokas.That said I think that Judo is better for real fighting
>>145954>bjj cope: the post
>>145973If you break their arm, they win since they cant tapThis is the sophistication of Gracie jiujitsu
>>145975>judo cope: the greentext
>>145973>let me come up with arguments for you and laugh at themCalm down, judo is cool and everything
>>145986I'm not sure you understand what cope means
>>145993>another judo cope: the post
>Judo worlds on this week>all the conversation has been martial arts consolewarsI'd go to Reddit if it wasn't filled with literal white belts asking for technique advice.
>>146076Best girls smile has been protected for one more day and that's all that matters
>>145394>>145487>Goes on to say gay shit about how no one in his gym does a live roll without at least 6 months of mat time what a clown
>>146076everybody in this thread is a white belt
>>145394Well I don't blame him. Before I got into judo I remember watching a match during the olympics and it was one of the most boring things I'd seen. Doesn't help that it was all gripfighting between two heavyweights and there were no throws. Of course it gets entertaining when you actually understand what judokas are doing and why. It's like people who watch MMA and don't understand what's happening once they get to the ground. To the untrained eye gripfighting is boring, which is why I think judo will never be an spectator sport. Casuals just want to see two guys punching their brains out or slamming each other.
>>146147Had the same experience. I saw Teddy Riner gripfight with some obese Chinese man and after 8 minutes of indecipherable struggle Teddy shoved the fat man over and got a gold medal. It was seriously confusing because I kept hearing how dynamic and fun judo was. Luckily I ended up enjoying training but man, it is really a bad spectator sport sometimes.
>>146147>To the untrained eye gripfighting is boring, which is why I think judo will never be an spectator sport.I think this applies to grappling sports as a whole (except maybe sumo)
How do I deal with heavier guys in randori? Im talking 73kg vs 100kg. How do i approach:>Grips>ThrowsOne of the more experienced guys told me to go for the sleeves and maintain distance when fighting these guys (I usually go for the lapel with my left hand like travis stevens).
>>146190The answer will always be harass the ankles
>>146190>One of the more experienced guys told me to go for the sleeves and maintain distance when fighting these guysCompletely retarded advice. You’re options are as >>146191 to harass them with ashi waza or to get as close as possible. I’m telling you this as a 5’7” Manlet. You can’t win distance games with heavier people, you have to engage in close. Take a high tricep/armpit grip along with a high lapel or belt grip. Don’t take a back of the head grip though, you’ll stretch yourself out too much doing that.
>>146193>Engage in closeHow do i prevent gettting snapped down with their weight or them carrying me with sheer strength?
>>146190I don't know about just randori, but in competition basically make them move. I compete at 110kg and usually at least half my bracket is 140kg+, with one guy at 170kg.They gas out pretty quickly, and you can usually just win from shido by inactivity at worst. Just use a lot of circular movements. When you break a grip, grab it and pull them to circle step and maybe throw a little ashi waza to keep them honest. Don't let them overhand grip. I usually catch most of my throws on the bigger guys with Tani Otoshi, Makkikomi or a Drop Seoi Nage, but usually throws where I don't really have to lift and can use all my body weight as leverage.
>>146198By keeping your posture up. If you’re moving in close with you’re skeletal structure standing high they’re not going to pull you down. Hell, lay you’re head on their chest if they’re taller than you.
>What rule changes would you like to see the IJF make after the upcoming Olympics, based on what you’ve seen this cycle so far?every match is best 2 out of 3 3 minute rounds. ippon ends a round early.
>>1462462 Ippons to win
>>146246bring back leg attacks but they can only award yuko or wazaari there, I fixed the sportthe option is there but you're incentivized to focus on upper body attacks. It will also create more tactical variety because the score will dynamically effect the types of attacks you might want to do
>>146257The problem with leg attacks in the past was that people were using them to stall after scoring Yuko or wazari. So in addition to bringing back leg attacks We’d really solve all the sports problems by making turtling a shido.
>>146246remove osaekomi, longer newaza, bring back leg attacks and less restrictions about Kuni kata, also you get a score if the opponent lands on belly
the nigger didn't deserve to win, he received a wazari but the ref couldn't see
>>145989Such is the importance of training up a strong neck.
Hello guys, question for you all, I have trained judo for some time when I was younger and got the orange belt. Now that I’m 21 I started to miss being on the mat but I would need to train in a totally new environment, would it be inappropriate to show up in a orange belt? I earned it fair and square but I am week, stiff and have forgotten most of the moves. Or should I start from 0? I don’t want to disrespect any other trainees etc. god I miss trainings so much
>paired with the new guy >tani otoshi drillsname a more frightening scenario
>>146258>making turtling a shidoPassive turtling. If the bottom player is trying to roll out, stand back up, come up on a single or double - I don't think he should be penalized. In general, newaza exchanges would be much better if passive turtle play got you a shido and stood up.
>>146356those throws that blow out your kneee and ligaments.
>>146318Ask when you get there, before you change out of your street clothes. Personally, I would pretend the youth orange belt from however many years ago didn't exist if I'd forgotten most of the moves because the orange belt implies that one knows some basics semi-competently and by name. Ultimately, nobody cares about the rainbow color belts so do what you want.
/judo/What is your ONE throw? Like, your favorite go-to throw that you like to perform and have practiced the most on. For me, it's Osoto Otoshi.
>>146439It was ude gaeshi but I've been warned many times to stop doing it because muh safety and they're worried someone will get spiked which doesnt even make sense
>>146439Ura nage. When i go for ippon you best believe im trying to kill a nigga
>>146463Holy shit fix your bot you fucking retard.
>>146439Sasae. The timing feels natural and I always catch people flying.Working on Tai Otoshi and Ouchi Gari to round out my style.
>>146481Sasae is a mean throw to do on new guys, every time I see a white belt in randori go against someone who only does Sasae it's lik watching them slip on a banana peel. Hilarious watching them get hit with it, stand up, get into stance, get hit with again, and keep going for 5 minutes. Truly, a vicious cycle.
>>146439Unironically, it used to be standing kata guruma because I used to wrestle and it's everything the fireman's carry wants to be. Now I like doing koshi guruma straight into kesa gatame. If that ever gets banned I'll probably be an osoto gari guy, that one's a lot of fun if you hit it right and it gives you a good stretch with exaggerated uchi komi.
Hello /judo/,Which is more efficient for getting generally stronger at Judo. A barbell with 300 lbs of weight that it comes with or a 200 lbs weightlifting sandbag? I can only buy one, anyone have any experience with both? Which one was better? Thanks.-Respectfully, Anon
>>146511I'd feel more comfortable if you had some dumbells you could put the weight on tooif you have 300lbs of weights, a long bar, and dumbells you basically don't need any other equipment
>>146511The barbell is going to be more versatile since you can take weight off or put weight on depending on the exercise you're doing. Sandbags are fun though so get both if you can.
What's the best style of boxing to compliment judo?
Why don't I see Harai Goshi that much at the highest level? It's pretty high percentage in my gym but I don't see it as often at worlds or the Olympics? Is it the ultimate recreational throw?
>>146703I’ve been given no explanation for this by my instructors other than>uchi mata is betterThe results seem to reflect that fact but I couldn’t tell you why
>>146318I recently returned to judo after twelve years, and asked my sensei to demote me back to white. He declined, saying that it would all come back to me soon, and after only a few months he was proven right.
>>146439>>146481I have other throws I enjoy more, but sasae is the one that always works.
>>146688literally any striking knowledge
>>146703I think it's just because harai is harder to land. Any newbie can just kenken or switch to kouchi and get a throw off an uchi mata attempt that way, harai doesn't seem as forgiving from my experience.That being said, I'm only a green belt, so take my advice with a whole spoonful of salt.
>>146439Osoto Otsohi (and Koshi Guruma), however it do 90% osoto and 10% koshi. I've done those two for the last 2 years without breaking stride for any other throws. I've gotten pretty good to a point where I can do them effectively with either left or right stance. I can also do counter transitions incase someone tries to catch either throw. I can go from osoto into koshi and vice versa from either stance.
>>146439I don't know what you'd classify it as an Uchi Mata or Koshi Guruma, but an Uchi Mata leg reap except I use a Koshi Guruma grip around the head. I don't really pull them around on my hip as much as I do for a Koshi Guruma, so I guess it's an Uchi Mata variation. My coach usually just calls it "that throw anon uses" in my gym. I'm generally taller so I find that Koshi Guruma grip gives me more control. If I'm against someone my height or taller, then Suwari Seoi Nage.
>>146318>>146716I started training again at age 29 after not training for well over a decade.Even got the same teacher and he insisted that I wear an orange belt.All other judoka in my group are black or brown belts so it doesn't really matter.
I feel like every body else in my class dislikes me. I feel like they see me as an annoyance and that I shouldn't belong there. I never did anything wrong but I feel like everyone dislikes me.
>>147006consider getting yourself tested for autismI'm not even being mean, I'm serious
>>147006Did you just start?Give it some time and they'll accept you.
>>147008:(i dont have autismI think because 90% of my class is oriental and I'm the only White guy there.
>>147009No, I've been going for the last 8 months. Recently stopped because of work and feeling like I've perfected my Tachi-waza well. Getting back into it Sunday, will report back.
>>147010Ah well, you should've lead with thatyeah they probably don't like you
>>147010It's not that you're white, but the fact you still call them oriental.
>>147025I'm not sure why that's worse than saying asianone references the continent and the other references it's location on a world mapit's actually more specific that you're referencing east asians when you say that and not indians or some shit
>>147025Different anon, but I've literally never met an oriental who found the term offensive (non-specific and antiquated, sure, but not offensive) and I'm pretty sure it's still in common usage in the UK to refer to east and southeast asians whereas "asian" generally refers to south asians (pakis and pajeets). >>147027I'm told that "oriental" in American English today is more typically used to refer to non-person objects and ideas and that using it to refer to people can be perceived as anachronistic or even slightly offensive.
>>147028We don't really use the word, it's a grandpa wordBut it got swept up in the recent purge when they removed uncle ben and the land o lakes girl off food packages, oriental flavored ramen got changed to "onions sauce" flavorMeanwhile recently a Korean guy at judo was telling a story and referred to someone else as "another oriental guy"So theres no problem, it's just woke mind virus stuff where everything is a microaggression
>>147029Holy shit that word filter is still in place? This site is retarded
>>147006yeah, it's typical, get strong and they will respect you.
>>147028>>147029"Oriental" got a bad rap primarily because it just became a catch-all for anything that wasn't Western Europe, whether it was MENA, Central Southern Asia, or Pacific Asia. Or sometimes Russia if you were trying to piss off a Russian. It also didn't help that European art got weirdly obsessed around the turn of the 20th century, from Gerome to Tchaikovsky to fucking Lord Byron.TL;DR: Europe carried a concept to extremes again and now no one gets to use that word or concept anymore because oops, it makes them feel awkward.
I don't like grip fighting, specifically lengthy grip fighting.I feel like grip fighting in Judo is a bad habit to teach yourself. Whenever I go to the mat with another guy, both of us will usually spend 20 seconds just jerking each other around while trying both ineffectively protect ourselves from being thrown while still trying to set up our own throw. After about 20 seconds, both of us are pretty burnt and can barley muster any remaining stamina to deliver a throw with any kind of form. Secondly, when you are grabbing, you are sub-consciously telegraphing your moves by orientating yourself or adjusting your grips. Giving the opponent a message of what you're doing and giving them time to brace and push back. I'm not saying grabbing and off-balancing is bad, however the overuse and extended periods of grip fighting has made it difficult to perform. Recently, I've tried to halt a lot of my grip fighting and switched in favor to stance control and swatting as my defensive. Pretty much, I hold my hands ready as if I'm going to grab but don't and when another opponent attempts to grab I'll swat and sometimes grab the sleeve lapel to get it away. When I see any error in the way they are stepping or a moment of ease in stature I use all of my power slam into them to execute my throw. I've found my stance control, swatting, and pouncing technique to yield better results while in Randori than if I were to expend the greater of my energy trying to fight for grips and force a off-balancing while messaging what my next throw is.Anyways, just my two cents on grips.
>>147064Andrew wiltse has talked about this and says he hates how when the match starts people walk up and start touching each other and vying for positionLike there is an unspoken rule where you need to touch each other before the match can really startBut the referee said go, the match has started, you should immediately start attacking
>>147064I actually love the grip fighting. I have throws on both left and right hand, so I love swapping back and forth between the two grips, slowly increasing my control since I guess most people aren't used to the swapping, until I have a really strong overhand grip and just use that to control the opponent for a bit. Maybe it's because I'm 100+, but I love the feeling of just crushing someone's posture and having them struggle and fail before I throw them.
>>147068oldest nigga on 4chan
>>147067This, it's a serious momentum killer to have to start formally grabbing each other by the lapel. Just like with touching gloves in boxing or MMA, it takes the energy out by having this low power set-off to start with after getting ready and pumped up.
>>147071Bkb got it right, the round starts toe to toe so no walking in from opposite sides and, bouncing around in a half circle for no real reason, pick up your feet like you're jogging but not actually going anywhere, then continuing to walk forward until you're in range
>>147067Judo matches should look more like the 1v1 fights in this video as soon Hajime is calledhttps://youtu.be/giJ928xjeRA
i FUCKING love Osoto-Otoshi so much bros
>>147070Is this fun for you?
How do we destroy the Olympics?
>>147142Judo being in the Olympics is a good thing
>>147502but it's the main reason the rules suck now
>>147506It’s why the ijf thinks the rules need to suck. Judo can be in the Olympics and not have shitty rules. That was the case for most of its history. Blame the ijf for being gay dumb boomers, not the Olympics
>>147508keeping judo in the olympics is the main goal of the ijf, they bent the knee the same way wrestling did. The truth behind all the rule changes is to make it as spectator friendly as possible and spectators only want to see big high amplitude turning throws.ironically they're creating a whole generation that has no answer for double legs. It's directly making judo a worse grappling art.
>>147514> ironically they're creating a whole generation that has no answer for double legs. It's directly making judo a worse grappling art.Muh double legs meme needs to die. Even when leg grabs were allowed double legs were never a dominant throw because gi grips make it easy to stuff a shot.>no srsly tho it’s the Olympics not the ijf I really doubt these schizo conspiracy theories there’s never any evidence the Olympics wanted the ijf to ban shit but people insist that’s the case.
>>147517>Even when leg grabs were allowed double legs were never a dominant throwexactly the point. Double legs existed, judo wasn't getting dominated by double legs at all.but now everybody learning judo without leg grabs stands super upright and if the legs were ever reintroduced the blast double will be king against this entire new generation of players.it's a meme that became a self fulfilling prophecy
>>147518>now everybody learning judo without leg grabs stands super uprightThat’s always been the case>if the legs were ever reintroduced the blast double will be king against this entire new generation of players.lol, lmao
>>147521hey boss, shintaro also shares this view and he knows why the ijf did what they did
>>147518>now everybody learning judo without leg grabs stands super upright and if the legs were ever reintroduced the blast double will be king against this entire new generation of playersI'm not a collegiate style wrestler, so maybe one of those guys can answer. How many weeks/months/years does it take to teach a new wrestler to sprawl?
>>147523a sprawl without a cross face is worthless and you cant touch the face in judo
>>147526Well then, in this hypothetical rule change, that and allowing mae hadaka jime or ude garuma off the shoot (not up to date with most recent newaza rules regarding 1 or 2 knees) would have to change.
>>147533I think its 2 knees is newaza for that person only, so they can still be picked up off the ground and thrown for ippon if the other person stays up, but now I'm not sure how that would work with the new continuous motion rule
>>147537I wonder if a standing anaconda roll with enough follow through would ever garner an ippon. Call it wakare garami or something if it makes the IJF feel better.
>>143764Leftie uchi mata player here. What are some good throws/strategies for me? Lefties only please. I've been working on ouchi gari.
>>147635Left-side Uchi mata.
>>147640And if that doesn’t work you can throw them with uchi mata instead
>>147635>>147640>>147672Uchi-mata uchi-mata LA LA LA
>>147518>will be king against this entire new generation of playersYou'll have a handful of people who make it their new gimmick who do well for a year, and then the same people who were good before adapt and keep winning.I want to see it back in the sport, but let's not act like it will seriously shake up the ranking or even the way the sport looks. Making yukos into wazaris with awasete-ippon has been way worse than banning leg grabs imo. Getting ippon from two yukos is way more bullshit.
/judo/,How often do you guys go to Judo? Between work and other forms of exercise, I've found myself going in once a week every Friday. Usually about 2 hours, an hour of open mat near the end. Is this enough practice to develop good technique for my favored throws? How often do you guys go and how do you program other things like weightlifting/cardio or labor?
>>147702I dontI did it once or twice a week for about 3 months like 6 years ago but it was too hard for me and I quitNow I just cope and say to myself every day I'm gonna get back in there some time soon. But I know I never will, my body is in even worse shape now than it was then.
>>147702judo twice, BJJ thrice a weekour judo club doesn't do much randori, largely owing to the fact that members are few, old, and bustedthe last 30 minutes of a hour and a half long session are usually reserved for sparring.i've done BJJ for about a year and a half now, judo for 6 months. i feel like my progress in judo has been a lot slower, owing partly to my innate nature to not be very quick on my feet, but also to the fact that we tend to drill more than spar.this is in stark contrast to our BJJ gym, where we do get about an hour of hard sparring done every session.
What throws best translate to no-gi?
>>147705You have no obligation to continue being the same person you were 5 minutes ago
>>147749I''ve scored across body osoto, sesai, sumi, but in all cases, the big hurdle is kuzushi without the gi grips. Wrestling grips are key.If you're already a wrestler, then ignore this. But if you're coming to no gi from standardized judo, just realize no gi, and wrestling in general, is fucking speedy. They don't have to bomb you to setup a submission. Shit like arm drags, collar drags, fucking Russian ties, seem so dinky at first but then the guy picks your ankle or takes your back and you're fighting off a submission.
>>145669Weird take, both are important, depends on the situation.>>145863Stop simping. Modern bjj destroys Judo in ground game. No debate. Judo destroys bjj in standup because there is no standup in bjj at all. Judo ground game is shit.
>>147702I try to go twice a week. Classes are 2-3 hours. Usually we do conditioning and warm-ups for 30-45 mins, lessons and drilling for the middle section and most of the time we do randori or ne waza the last section of class. My instructors are pretty traditional and definitely push us hard.I try to go to yoga at least once a week, lift weights once a week, and squeeze a mountain bike ride in there. I'm 36 so it can be rough. Judo is my main focus and my favorite activity but its hard to find a balance with the other activities I love and recovery. I try not to stress out about this stuff because I love this stuff but I feel bad if I miss a week of judo or yoga because I went to hard on my bike.
>>147749Makikomis and probably footsweeps. Wrestlers aren't really used to getting harassed with ashi-waza to the extent that judoka use it.
>>147749arm throws, uchimata, foot sweeps
>>147892lmao try doing an harai makikomi in wrestling and you will be suplexed like a little shit
I'm a fat out of shape 33 year old with a fucked knee (three surgeries, total lcl tear, acl repair, meniscus scopings). Is judo out of reach for me?Also I already talked to my ortho and he seemed pretty clueless about fighting sports, thought judo involved punching and kicking.
>>148005>I'm a fat out of shape 33 year old with a fucked kneeYou've just described everybody in judo, you just got there 10 years sooner
>>148005Dont want to shit on your parade, but starting from scratch as an older person with a bum knee is going to be rough. Every white belt will be a potential reinjury with their shit osoto/tani otoshi/tai otoshi. Gotta weigh the risk v reward man.I know this is haram in the judo thread, but you may want to do something like BJJ instead.
>>148005People who are experienced manage to still ge themselves fucked up. If you go in, completely inexperienced with no idea how to protect yourself and a significant knee injury already, you’re for sure going to get yourself hurt. This is not and if or maybe. It’s GOING to happen.
>>148008>>148009>>148020Thanks gents. Maybe I'll take up something else.
>>148009>Every white belt will be a potential reinjury with their shit osoto/tani otoshi/tai otoshiI'd be apprehensive to train at any club that encourages white belts to shoot tani otoshi
>>148049I'd be apprehensive to train at any club that encourages white belts.
>>148049I won my first tournament with tani otoshiI didnt even know what it was, I just felt myself getting pulled forward so I sat back to try and not get flopped, we ended up going down and I wonI had no idea I even won, I stood up and was very confused
>>148049My club doesn’t want anyone doing tani otoshi in randori.
>>148043I'll probably get flak for this but maybe try Aikido.Lots of older judoka retire to Aikido later in life.You can try it and see if your knee can handle it.
>>147880>45 minute warmupsI feel like I would want to go to judo to do judo and judo related warmupsFuck it let me do kata for 45 minutes and >ConditioningDo 10 rounds of randoriBut God damn it fuck gay warmups
>>148120I agree that “warm up” exercises and stretching should take no more than 5 to ten minutes of class time. I wouldn’t run every class with 10 rounds of just randori though for conditioning, people need to do uchikomi and crash pad throws until they want to puke as part of their training.
>>148123Would it be better to just go into uchikomi lightly, and ramp it up as you go along? I know the recent science shows that stretching while cold is useless, so if you're going to be warming up by running or doing useless drills, wouldn't it be easy to just slowly do something useful and ramp up?
>>148129NTA, it would be better if a class was split into two. Randori on one side, both tachi waza and ne waza and the other side practicing your tokui waza.
>>143764Damn i completely forgot i did judo as a kid. Good times.
I love her /judo/bros.
>>148223>tfw no judo gf to throw me around like a sack of potatoeswhy even live?
since it seems unlikely that judo will ungay itself, could sambo take its place?
>>148278Anything Russia has touched is discounted immediately. I'd do Kudo instead.
>>148278Sambo is made up of all the pro judoka who weren’t good enough to make it on the internation scene. Even the places that have sambo prefer to compete in judo competitions regardless of how gay they are.
>>148314Kudo looks cool but no one does it in the west
>>148315I thought Sambo was more wrestling than Judo?
>>148278>Russia>2022+1Nope. DOA. It doesn't help that it has corrupt NGBs that favor their pet clubs.
>>148323You can go watch FIAS world championships and decide for yourself, but I think a more accurate description would be "90s judo with wrestling scoring"
So any of you guys train atemi-waza? I don't really want to branch out to boxing or kickboxing or whatever since I've just been practicing judo for 5 months. But I do want to make it more functional for >da streetz memeObviously I won't find any fellow judoka to train, but what about doing drills with a bag or something?
>>148414Learn how throw a proper hook and elbow and you'll be fine.
FRIENDLY REMINDER:Please remember to take care of your hygiene before going into practice! Please trim both your finger and toe nails, clean underneath both, wash your body (especially your hands, butt, groin, and mouth, and feet). Your Uki or Tori will be much happier to practice with you! I speaking from personal experience, nobody wants to roll with someone who looks and reeks like a literal hobo. Respectfully, anon.
>>148414Go to a boxing/MT/mma gym. You won't learn shit without a coach at the beginning.If you insist on bag drills without coaching like a retard, get a double-end bag and not a heavy bag. At least that way you can work on tracking a moving target and moving away from something coming at your face.
>>148424I've trained with people who literally smelled like piss or shit.
>>148315only because it is an olympic sport tard
>>148414stop being an autist and go to a boxxe/kickboxe gym
>>148424Guy in my club has a really smelly raty looking gi, he's good at the sport but man does his gi smell.>>148414Just take a trial class at something like a boxing gym or ask your instructor about it.Or just wait a few months and crosstrain.
>>148424I was the stinky gi guy for a while when I was brand new. Didn't know you had to wash your gi immediately after practice, so I left it balled up in the washing machine and washed it like a day or two later. Instant cat piss stink.For the next few weeks I could barely focus in class because I was so stressed over my gi being stinky. I'm a bit on the spectrum, and my training partners were too nice to tell me my gi stunk, so I further deluded myself into thinking it wasn't that bad.Tried various detergents, managed to wash away the passive stink, but it would still start to smell after half an hour into practice. Finally salvaged the gi by dipping it into a bucket of water and white vinegar overnight, was good as new after that and for the first time I could smell the gis of other people, not my own.I love my training partners, but please tell people if their hygiene sucks. Especially new people who may just be uninformed on proper gi care.
If you know how to use them without killing yourself, 02 emitters are fucking tremendous at killing the things causing smells in your Gi that just won't seem to wash out.