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Slightly-belated fight results post:>Riptide > Captain ShrederatorThat wasn't a fight. That wasn't even a clinic. That was straight-up televised murder. Riptide put a massive target on its back for this fight. Looks like we got ourselves a bona fide villain here. At least the Leddit salt is funny. Also, Shederator's schedule doesn't get better with Jackpot up last.>Deathroll > MammothIf Mammoth couldn't beat this season's Valkyrie, it had no real shot here. Deathroll was simply the better bot. Mammoth still has a decent shot at a bubble position in the tourney with a winnable Kraken fight inbound.>Emulsifier > BansheeEmulsifier was due for a win, and Banshee was the perfect target. It may end up being too little, too late with Quantum being its last fight. Banshee gets Blip, RIP.>Copperhead > KrakenKraken still has wicked mobility issues, so the much more controlled Copperhead was able to rack up an easy win. Kraken's all but out of tourney contention now, while Copperhead could wrap up a high seed.>Horizon > ShatterThis was just a build mismatch for Shatter. Horizon's weird frame made it hard for Shatter to get any good hits on. Perhaps the giant sword would have been a better weapon choice here... Nice to see Horizon live up to its (very limited) potential. Still, Horizon needs a miracle to make the bracket at this point. Shatter gets an easy fight in Ominous next, though it may not be enough.>Ominous > Shreddit BroWell, that was one of the fights of all time. When you feel a need to advertise another fight during the fight to fill in commentary, you know you've got a snoozer. Neither bot looked remotely tourney-ready.>Whiplash > MonsoonIt took 3 fights, but Whiplash finally ended up being sturdy enough to win a fight in a must-win scenario. Its strength of schedule should allow it to make the tourney, just not in an optimal position. Monsoon is in a similar position, also having only one win and a rough final fight.
>>138789Riptide autist stepping confidently into the heel gimmick. Fan heat, backstage heat, he wants it all.
New thread , impressive.
OFFICIAL WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP 8 STAR RATINGSE1>Witch Doctor V Ribbot - 3 Stars>Captain Shred V Quantum - 2.5 Stars>Gruff V Ripperoni - 2.5 Stars>Shatter V Huge - 3 Stars>Glitch V Riptide - 2 Stars>Gigabyte V Free Shipping - 2 Stars>Minotaur V Tantrum - 3 StarsE2>Hypershock V Sawblaze - 3 Stars>Fusion V Emulsifier - 4 Stars>Mammoth V Valkyrie - 1 Star>Madcatter V Whiplash - 2.5 Stars>Banshee V Switchback - 2 Stars>Hijinx V Big Dill - 1 Star>Blip V End Game - 3 StarsE3>Death Roll V Cobalt - 3 Stars>Ominous V Claw Viper - 2.5 Stars>Copperhead V Bloodsport - 2 Stars>Lock-Jaw V Malice - 2.5 Stars>Lucky V Triton - 3 Stars>Skorpios V Jackpot - 2.5 Stars>Hydra V Rotator - 2.5 StarsE4>Monsoon V Black Dragon - 3 Stars>Malice V Emulsifier - 2 Stars>Starchild V Overhaul - 2 Stars>Gruff V Quantum - 2 Stars>Kraken V Beta - 1 Star>Horizon V Shreddit Bro - 1 Star>Whiplash V Hypershock - 3 StarsE5>Minotaur V Free Shipping - 3 Stars >Ribbot V Claw Viper - 3 Stars>Sawblaze V Lock-Jaw - 2.5 Stars>Huge V Blip - 3 Stars>Fusion V Witch Doctor - 4 Stars>Double Tap V Doomba - 2 Stars>Riptide V Mad Catter - 2.5 StarsE6>End Game V Ripperoni - 3 Stars>Switchback V Deathroll - 2.5 Stars>Hijinx V Captain Shred - 1 Star>Jackpot V Rotator - 2.5 Stars>Big Dill V Skorpios - 2 Stars>Valkyrie V Banshee - 1 Star>Tantrum V Hydra - 2.5 StarsE7 >Bloodsport V Gigabyte - 2.5 Stars>Claw Viper V Overhaul - 3 Stars>Horizon V Monsoon - 2 Stars>Starchild V Mammoth - 2 Stars>Triton V Copperhead - 2.5 Stars>Lucky V Kraken - 2.5 Stars>Minotaur V Cobalt - 5 StarsE8>Free Shipping V Hydra - 3 Stars>Huge V Fusion - 2.5 Stars>Lock-Jaw V Glitch - 2 Stars>Beta V Shatter - 2.5 Stars>Quantum V Black Dragon - 2.5 Stars>Terrortops V Slammo - 2 Stars>Tantrum V Blip - 3 Stars
>>138824E9>Gruff V Witch Doctor - 2.5 Stars>Malice V Valkyrie - 2 Stars>Madcatter V Big Dill - 4 Stars>Ribbot V Jackpot - 3 Stars>Skorpios V Sawblaze - 2 Stars>Ripperoni V Hijinx - 2.5 Stars>End Game V Hypershock - 3 StarsE10>Riptide V Captain Shred - 2.5 Stars>Mammoth V Deathroll - 2 Stars>Banshee V Emulsifier - 2 Stars>Copperhead V Kraken - 2.5 Stars>Horizon V Shatter - 2 Stars>Ominous V Shreddit Bro - 0 Stars>Whiplash V Monsoon - 3 StarsAnd for some stats>Episode 5 was the highest overall episode 20/35 stars>Episode 4 and 10 were tied lowest overall at 14 stars>Minotaur had the highest star total (11) with Cobalt having the highest average star ratings (4)>Shreddit Bro had the lowest star total (1) and lowest star average (0.5) with Ominous (T 2.5 - A 1.25) and Hijinx (T 4.5 - A 1.5) behind them>Big Dill had the highest star differential (peak of 4, low of 1) while Ribbot were most consistent (3 stars over 3 matches) with Glitch/Starchild (both 2 stars over 2 matches) and Rotator (2.5 stars over 2 matches) behind themYes, I am autisticYes, I need to lose weightYes, I need to gain heightYes, I need to hit the showersNo, I won't get a clue
>>138828this is groundbreaking stuff dude, thank you for sharing your findings! do you have an archive of past seasons also?
>>138789>Riptide > Captain ShrederatorI don't think Riptide did anything wrong here, shred team was moaning about unnecessary damage , "they don;t care".
>>138848Not yet, there are a few logistical differences with doing the earlier seasons when you get into Youtube matches, bots not getting full fight cards, rumbles etc. I was originally doing this for UK Robot Wars but I decided to focus my time there on making some sort of guide/match list like pic rel
>>138861I half-agree. Riptide already won a few hits before the fight ended. They got to invert the captain as their strategy was, so everything else was purely spectacle. It was good from a pure carnage perspective, but as has been mentioned elsewhere, team Shrederator had more or less already given up, and Riptide's continued aggressive ended up needlessly costing thousands. There was no "Hit me again", nor any chance of Shrederator making a comeback if they stopped getting hit. So dick move, given the circumstances? Sure. As egregious as some people are making it out to be? Absolutely not. At least Riptide v. Black Dragon should be fun.
>>138789I don't care for Riptide anymore, not with all the yelling and he's been censored for saying "fuck"at least twice.
>>138932There is a really load annoying guy with sunglasses and baseball cap on shatter and emulsifier team.
>>138864nice.i think this thread is long lasting and slow moving enough to support polls or whatever community input you require, and people will appreciate it for sure.
I asked this during last weeks fight card but i was wondering about how "real" does the sport feel? There is no doubt that these are seriously powerful combat robots, but thats the thing they are robots, easily controlled and manipulated. lot easier to "script" a match than you might think. not saying any matches so far have been, but i personally have some sneaking suspicions about certain storylines. plus the fact that none of this is live and happens months prior makes me lower my feeling of genuineness of the sport
>>138941i know what you mean, it'd be really easy for the robojannies to selectively jam one team's controller frequency and then blame it on muh static discharge. that's why eventually i'd like to see a move to autonomous robot battles which removes that issue completely.
>>138941If anything it would be harder to "script" robots than it would for people. I don't doubt any of the fights or outcomes, although the not live aspect is fair. It's clear that the cut that makes TV often doesn't tell the whole story and may emphasize things. The storylines or whatever are definitely played up to some degree.
>>138787I remember watching this when I was little. Can’t believe it’s still a thing.
>>138950Well it quit being a thing on TV for about 15 years in the interim
>>138941Matches are real, storylines are tweaked by production to be as engaging as possible. Since the revival era Battlebots has been subject to game show laws that prevent fixing results, it's why the hazards are automated/activated by the teams now. If production even thought to tell a team to take a dive they'd be able to sue them.
>>138941The fights are legit, the storylines are fluffed up for drama's sake. On that note, since we're on a mini-break, I decided to try to tier every bot in terms of how likely I see them making the tourney. I tiered based on W-L record, strength of schedule, and upcoming fights (and their realistic odds of winning said fights). It isn't necessarily an indication of how the good the bots actually are, otherwise something like Tantrum would be higher up. I'll probably revisit it after another 2 or so episodes. A quick primer of the tiers:>Fighting for top seedingSelf-explanatory. >Tourney BoundPretty much all but locked in, either due to having a good enough record as-is (e.g. Claw Viper) or having a cupcake finale (e.g. Blip, who fights Banshee)>In Control of their own destinyOn the inside looking out, but could possibly fall out if things go poorly.>Could make the tourney with helpBasically the opposite of the above.>Ur FuktNo real viable path to a tourney spot at this point.>Not eligible tiersBots that didn't have a full season's worth of fights, and thus can't make the tourney on principle.
>>138984Has any bot fallen as far as Kraken? It used to be a serious threat and a tough nut to crack, but I think it's just been left in the dust of the technological arms race. And then they come with this redesign that's almost worse than before. Spurk said at the end of last season that Kraken was over and they'd be coming this season with a new bot. Well I think that's what they'd better do next season, because this is just sad to watch. The sport is so much more destructive than it once was. Gone are the days of just having friendly competition with one shoebox bumping against another. Every match these days carries a much higher risk of monetary loss and psychological toll of seeing your hard work annihilated beyond salvage. You either come to win or don't come at all. Don't get me wrong, it warms my heart to see a White family engage in engineering, building, driving, and repairing together. But a veteran team like they are has no business being such a shitter in the battlebox. They need to step it up in a big way before next season.
>>138943Like how? No radios?I've only seen evidence of possible radio glitches twice, but both were after gigantic hits so it could've been almost anything else anyways.Jamming signals is against the rules already, and I'm pretty sure they test for EMP or whatever from the motors.Nobody REALLY wants to be outed as a cheater in this sport.
>>138934The Wrigley brothers can act like crybabies because they post on r/battlebots and compete in heckin NHRL!
>>138989>6-17 career record before this seasonKraken was always on the bubble of making the tourney at best, and lower-mid tier at worst. Though the current design is definitely a step backwards from the previous iteration. I think the weight distribution has completely fucked it over. The design update might end up working out in the longer term, but it needs some tweaking so it's not just effectively not walking on ice for entire matches.
I know the damage was excessive and after shred was already flipped - but I fully support C/D tier bots that constantly break down or boring matches being forced into retirement by just fucking obliterating them. Shred has been a shitbox that makes for poor matches for far too long. I hope cobalt does the same to overhaul next episode.
>>139283Shut the fuck up, Charles is /ourguy/
>>139283That's for production/selection committee to decide, not some jumped up autist throwing around daddy's money to play roboteer.
Is this thread for the Battlebots promotion only? Or robot combat generally? NHRL's March of the Bots includes 3lb, 12lb, and 30lb weight classes and slightly different rules from Battlebots 250lb heavyweights-only promotion. Almost every team in Battlebots has a smaller version that competes in these lower weight divisions, testing out different builds, driving strategies, etc. Here's the link, it's happening live all day today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQTbCkwBmD4
>>139403Is there a stream without commentary? Would love to watch the fights but I cant stand their commentators
welp, still got about 10 days from now till a new fight card happens, might as well spur a little discussion. So Ive been constantly watching clips on youtube about this sport and Ive noticed how far some bots have come in design and branding. also, some more experienced robots have official websites with their own merch and media relations. theres even bot specific youtube channels with varying levels of professionality and content. I was wondering if this will become the standard as the sport evolves. as far as i know no bot on the roster is required to have a youtube or other media relations, but growth might change that.
>>139676I'm not sure it will quite expand that far, but social media presence will become more commonplace in general, as is the case with basically everything over the past ~10-15 years. Seems more likely with experienced builders than newer ones.
So here is this weeks fight card, what are your predictions?>Beta vs BDbeta is having one of its best seasons but i think it will meet its match with BD, if they have the right forks BD can win it. will have to see what hammer Beta uses to attempt to counter.>Cobalt vs Overhaulagain this is about forks, cobalt had a great fork configuration against Minotaur but Minotaur was able to grind them down, Overhaul as a grappler will not be able to do that so they will need the better fork config to counter and grapple to stop that blade.>Switchback vs Ominousi think switch back easily takes this, Ominous has an underweight issue and can easily be tossed by more stable bots, which i personally belive SWB to be. also Ominous' Srimech needs an overhaul, its may look ergonomic with its design but needs a major reliability boost.>Triton vs Glitchthis is a toss up to me, no Srimech for Glitch and very light armor for Triton make this a possible lowlight, I still think Triton takes it because of pure weapon weight.>Gigabyte vs Starchild.Standard sized 250lb bot vs size meta breaking bots are weird to me, its like a feather weight(125lb) vs a heavy weight(225lb), still GB takes it as SC's slam hammer does not have the range to be effective.>Jackpot vs Cpt. Shredmight be a repeat of Riptide vs Shred but JPs forks will do the flipping instead. Shred will also look to maneuver more to avoid a possible repeat like that.>Rotator Vs BloodsportWe will probably not see much weapon on weapon contact due to undercutter HS vs normal HS, Rotator will have a wedge config so well see how BS can handle that, dont know what BS's blade Config will be.
It's almost that time.>>140603>Beta vs. Black DragonBeta's looked good against two bots that may not even make the tourney. Black Dragon may be 1-1, but it's against much more legit competition. Beta COULD win if it can land good shots, but BD should be able to shake off anything less of that. Going with BD.>Cobalt vs. OverhaulCobalt should completely shit on Overhaul. Control bots not named Claw Viper are not good.>Switchback vs. OminousSwitchback isn't great, but Ominous has shown demonstrable control issues. Switchback should have this.>Triton vs. GlitchBattle of the glass cannons. I think Glitch comes out better off in the inevitable weapon-to-weapon collision. This could easily be a double KO battle.>Gigabyte vs. StarchildThis would be a good matchup for Starchild could actually drive properly. But Gigabyte should still have an edge despite its build being a disadvantage on paper.>Jackpot vs. Captain ShrederatorJackpot is fairly high-tier at this point, don't see how a rebuild Captain can realistically win this.>Rotator vs. BloodsportThis could easily go either way. Both of these bots are 1-1 off of competent competition. I think Rotator has durability working in its favor, so I'm giving it a small edge here.
>>140603>Beta vs BDAs much as Beta has grown on me this season, I have to give it to BD. I'm just not convinced that any hammer, even the best hammer, can out-fight an above-average spinner. It is a tough bot though, so I can see it going the distance.>Cobalt vs OverhaulEasy one for Cobalt, should be fun watching those Korean softboys take a messy L by KO.>Switchback vs OminousRookie Ominous by KO over sophomore Switchback, and it's not even close. Ominous has proven to be at least minimally competent, which is all it takes to shut down Switchback's fragile weapon.>Triton vs GlitchThis one is a coin flip if you ask me. Not-Tombstone has a very Tombstone tendency to explode one or both bots with the first big hit, and there's no telling which. Probable KO one way or the other, and I give Triton a slight edge because it can still drive after said flip, unlike Glitch the un-invertible wonder.>Gigabyte vs StarchildNow this is a strange matchup. It's hard to really picture either of these bots doing much damage to the other. Starchild has those UHMPWE wheels that just flex with the hits, so they don't break. And the body is out of reach. Gigabyte has the self righter blocking Starchild's vertical avenue of attack. On the other hand, it's easy to picture Gigabyte damaging itself against the walls. Slight edge to Starchild by JD.>Jackpot vs Cpt. ShredNot much need be said anytime Shred faces a halfway competent opponent. Jackpot by KO.>Rotator Vs BloodsportAfter a pretty weak undercard (though still better than last week's (well not last week but you know what I mean)), finally something really worth watching! A real matchup of two bots with effective weapons, durable build, and experienced drivers. This is the sport at its best. I predict a slugfest that goes the distance. 60/40 Bloodsport by JD due to Rotator's vulnerable wheels and reliance on its weapon to win a ground game.
>>140603>Black Dragon > BetaBeta's armor new armor didn't help much. Still got tossed around like salad. Beta's weapon experienced erectile dysfunction and the match ended. Black Dragon's streak remains alive for another match>Cobalt > OverhaulOverhaul also seemed to have a malfunctioning main weapon. Cobalt won the ground game and shredded Overhaul's tires. Easy win for Cobalt>Switchback > Ominous Switchback is like a lower tier gatekeeper and Ominous not good enough to pass yet. After some more work and tweaking Ominous could be a contender>Triton > GlitchGlitch took a gamble going weapon to weapon and lost. The main take away for Glitch should be "invest in a self righter". Their drive has been their greatest enemy. Bargain bin Tombstone gave a nice showing and used some strategy to secure a win>Gigabyte > StarchildNo surprises. Starchild's tires have no grip. The weapon doesn't have enough power and is unwieldy. Back to the drawing board. Gigabyte got an ez win>Jackpot > Captain Shredat least Captain Shred wasn't shredded to bits this time. A couple of big hits but nothing impressive >Bloodsport > RotatorRotator is having an off season and can't catch a break. Some major hits were dished out, courtesy Bloodsport, and they are looking strong as ever. If they get their kinks straightened out they still have a good shot
>still no archive or bbraw episode 11Fuck bros it might be over.
Another week has passed and a new fight card is upon us, who you got for this week?>Lockjaw Vs MaDCatterCatter will easily take this, LJ is an older version bot that cant compete with the curent field(unless its glitch of course)>Gruff Vs MaliceGruff will most likely be flambayed again, doubt the fork config on Gruff will matter much, Malice's weapon is one of the strongest and will likely decimate it before Gruff can use/lift them.>Doomba Vs Dragon Kingthis is an alternate fight as both bots are not official participants, so this will be interesting, i know DK was made by the same guy who made Red Devil and that was one of my favorite bots so nice to see him back, i think DK will win because Doomba seems like a comic relief bot.>Claw Viper VS HypershockThis is might be the real Marquee match, CV fighting for top seeding, HS fighting for any seeding, Will Bales has got to drive like never before to avoid inversion, but still i think CV is too fast and will grapple HS out of the arena.>Free Shipping Vs Big Dilltwo lower tier bots fighting for even the slightest semblance of a tourney berth, should be fun, will have to see what FS's fork config will be, and if it will use Flames or not, could be a tossup but i still give a little bit of edge to FS because of Gary Jin's experience.>Shreddit Bro Vs LuckyLucky can easily flip SB due to footprint comparison, fork config will decide this, and durability of flipper on lucky will too.>SawBlaze Vs HydraThe only way that sawblaze can win is if it leads with the hammersaw, dont leave it in the back, you must hit flipper of Hydra first before you attack anything else. if they cant do that, Hydra easily takes this.
>>141422It took them long enough. Now I have to recap shit and predict tonight's episode, as it's already airing.>Black Dragon > BetaThe extra armor only protected Beta for so long. Having to downgrade weapon strength wasn't going to help versus a bot that refuses to get knocked out. >Cobalt > OverhaulI'm actually surprised Overhaul didn't get quickly murdered. Even though they still got their inevitable loss, they can at least claim a moral victory over one of the most dangerous bots on the field.>Switchback > OminousOminous looked like they had a legitimate shot, until they didn't. Pretty much an irrelevant matchup come tourney time, but it could have been worse.>Triton > GlitchI thought this was gonna end in one weapon-to-weapon. I then thought that Triton was done for once it lost control of its weapon. For it to win on tactical driving was the last thing I expected. Kinda disappointing given the nature of its weapon, but a win's a win. Also, no self righter is bad, mk?>Gigabyte > StarchildHaha full body spinner go nom nom. Erratic driving on a bot that needs good driving to actually hit things properly is not a winning combination.>Jackpot > Captain ShrederatorIf I'm team Jackpot, I'm mildly worried. The fact that it couldn't even get a KO versus a backup Shrederator is not a good look. It should make the tourney still, but it might not be able to make it past the first round.>Bloodsport > RotatorDid Glitch completely break Rotator's durability during the Golden Bolt tourney or something? Regardless, Rotator's suddenly in a rough position for tourney seeding. A date with Fusion might end up being do-or-die.Not gonna elaborate on this week's fight card >>141620, just gonna do quick predictions:Madcatter > LockjawGruff > MaliceDragon King > DoombaHypershock > Claw ViperFree Shipping > Big DillLucky > Shreddit BroHydra > Sawblaze
I miss Rusty. :(
And with BattlebotsRaw uploading in a timely manner this time around,>Lockjaw > MadcatterSolid back-and-forth fight. Lockjaw more or less proved that last season's winless record was due to a poor fight card, and that it could very well play spoiler come tourney time. Madcatter's still legit, but it just wasn't its night for victory.>Malice > GruffWhatever happened to Gruff's obscene tankiness from seasons prior? Needless to say, Malice looked solid in this bout. Color me impressed with it this season so far.>Dragon King > DoombaDragon King might be one of the most aesthetically pleasing bots in the roster this season. If it faced basically anything not named Doomba, it would have probably been fucked. Its weapon systems are simply too slow and weak for it to get a full fight card at this point. At least Doomba survived the whole fight this time.>Hypershock > Claw ViperIt took a while, but Claw Viper's mortality was on full display. If it can't dominate on its speed alone, it's probably fucked. It will make the tourney, but how long will it last before getting taken out? Only time will tell.>Big Dill > Free ShippingEvery fight this season, it felt like Big Dill was getting closer to figuring itself out, and it finally was able to put everything together this time around. It's still likely out of tourney contention, but it may have taken Free Shipping right down with it. >Lucky > Shreddit BroHa ha screws go brrrr. Shreddit Bro is not a good bot. If Lucky somehow wins against Cobalt, it should actually be a pretty high seed. I doubt it will, though.>Hydra > SawblazeHydra wins ground game, Hydra wins match. Simple as. Both should be pretty high seeds now, and both should have pretty deep tourney runs. Should be a fun time.
>>14173790% sure the BBR guy gets his source vids from another archiver and the "personal problems" thing was a cover, either that or they're the same guy.
It's out! And I'm officially seething I need to update mine since Shreddit shat the bed
Glad I found this thread. The subreddit is almost unbearable, especially since they started pissing themselves over Riptide and that Shrederator fight.
Forgot a few spots towards the end but damn those high seeds are looking dire this year, still if Hijinx or Gruff get in I'll be real grumpy.>>142128Hope you stick around, been slow here since the mid season break. r/Battlebots is always pretty dire during seasons, the Riptide shit certainly isn't helping. The overwhelming amount of Claw Viper and Ripperoni dickriding over there is starting to turn me on those teams.
BB thread on wsg>>>/wsg/5040564
>>142130>r/BattlebotsGo back and I don't want to hear your horseshit excuses.
>>142244>trying to fit inWhere do you think we get half the prefight content?
The weeks go by as we creep closer to the tournament, who do you have for this week?>Emulsifier Vs QuantumEmulsifier has a wide base that can easily be gripped by Quantum, the belt drives on the side seem particularly vulnerable to me, Quantum might go perfect.>Gigabyte Vs EndgameNot much to say other than this might be a repeat of HyperShock vs GB, thought GBs countering of Starchild may suggest they have some sort of strategy against Vert Spinners.>ShredditBro Vs OverhaulOverhaul may actually be able to lift SHB due to its size, provided that it does not have any lifter issues. ant weight bots scaled up to 250 is not the new meta.>Rotator Vs FusionEverybody thought these bots would vye for top seeds but now they're scrounging for any seed, I think I give this to Rotator if it reuses its wedge config it will be able to counter the HS on fusion, the VertS on it is too weak.>Skorpios Vs RibbotOh poor ribbot, you'll get em next season, if skorpios doesn't do anything goofy and uses its regular hammer saw they take this, ribbot may win if it uses its VS config and good driving though.>Dragon King Vs Terror topsAnother alternative match, really running out of fluff for the schedule i see. Terrortops seems like the one in this match, DK is just a glorified Tablesaw, would like to see them beef up their spinners into real Hammersaws.>Copperhead Vs RipperoniLook I like the pizza girl but there's too much manic energy within the robot, CH is a no nonsense bot that will take care of business.
>>142269Quantum > Emulsifier 3:1Emulsifier's body type is just one big vulnerability for Quantum's weapon. Looks delicious. Endgame > Gigabyte 8:1The meta has left full body spinners behind. Gigabyte is the best of them, yet still can rarely pull out a win against even the average opponent, let alone Endgame. Barring any mishaps with the killsaw slots, this one is a probable KO.Shredditbro > Overhaul 3:1SB seems mediocre so far, but that should be good enough to put away Overhaul, since that bot is less than mediocre. However, and this might be my Claw Viper fever talking, this could be Overhaul's chance to finally show some decent control and win on points.Fusion > Rotator 2:1Close call. In previous seasons, I'd say Rotator wins this one handily, but it's been looking awful this season, and Fusion is coming up this season. Love to see my favorite stone-faced Ewert brother succeed.Ribbot > Skorpios 2:1I think this is the closest match of the night. Proven drivers, proven bots, but Ribbot has tires to spare relative to Skorpios, giving it a higher chance for a mobility KO.Terrortops > Dragon King 3:1This one should be fun to watch, with two unconventional designs going head to head. DK lacks the deadliness to secure a win though.Copperhead > Ripperoni 4:1Yes we love Rip, but I have to think CH's drum can jam up that disc and do damage to anything it touches. To defeat CH requires agility to reach the wheels, and if there's one thing Rip lacks, it's agility. Probable KO.
>>142269>Emusifier vs. QuantumEmulsifier may be a weird shape for Quantum to take on, so I could see it having issues for that reason. I could see this swinging either way, but Quantum's been more reliable this season, so going Quantum.>Gigabyte vs. End GameThe only way this could even be a fight is if End Game gets stuck in the forks like it did for the Ripperoni fight. Still not seeing them making that mistake twice, so should be an easy End Game win.>Shreddit Bro vs. OverhaulShreddit is still not a good bot. Overhaul isn't either, but it showed pretty good durability versus Cobalt. Going Overhaul.>Rotator vs. FusionRotator's been pretty "off" this season, so I'm going with the wildcard in Fusion here, who's been performing a bit above expectations so far.>Skorpios vs. RibbotRibbot's kinda sucked this year. It needs a win here to have any chance of a tourney spot, but I think Skorp will put the dagger in.>Dragon King vs. TerrortopsTwo 1-0 filler bots, but Terrortops looked more impressive in its win, so going with it winning here as well.>Copperhead vs. RipperoniThis could also swing both ways, but I think Copperhead has a better shot here. Ripperoni basically needs to get its gyroscopic motion dialed in for any real shot.
As an added bonus, time for an update on the Tourney tier list, not gonna be ballsy enough for a bracket prediction till next week.>Fighting for Prime Seeding tier unchanged>Bloodsport promoted to Tourney Bound due to the previous win>Hypershock promoted to Tourney Bound due to the previous win>Black Dragon promoted to Tourney Bound due to the previous win>Lucky is basically borderline Fighting for Prime Seeding, but I didn't move it due to expecting a loss versus Cobalt>Mammoth promoted to In Control Of Their Own Destiny due to losses by other bots formerly in the tier and a winnable last matchup>Hijinx promoted to In Control Of Their Own Destiny for similar reasons to Mammoth>Triton promoted to In Control Of Their Own Destiny due to its previous win>Free Shipping demoted to Could Make Tourney With Help due to losing its previous match>Glitch demoted to Could Make Tourney With Help due to losing its previous match>Gruff demoted to Could Make Tourney With Help due to losing its previous match>Big Dill promoted to Could Make Tourney With Help due to previous win>Ominous demoted to Ur Fukt due to previous loss and consistent underperformance>Shreddit Bro demoted to Ur Fukt due for same reasons as Ominous
>>142252>he doesn't get it from the show's website and Twitter
>>142269Pretty much agree with the general thread consensus with this episodeReally hope Dragon King doesn't get too banged up in its fight though. That thing is beautiful but it should be in the between fight crowd entertainment spot like Nightmare in the live show, not an active competitor.
>>142269>If skorpios doesn't do anything goofy and uses its regular hammer saw>inb4 they use tombstone's blade on a handle
>>142358The one thing about DK I like is that it's saw spinners are angled, maybe builders could experiment with putting Kinetic spinner weapons at certain angles as opposed to purely vertical or horizontal. A new meta could be made that way.
>>142404I've seen some stuff at lower weight classes and also bots like Warhead/13 Black do angled spinners but I'm not sold on their effectiveness. DK's design is fucking cool though and I hope they either preserve it or make a new version that is competitive. >Quantum > EmulsifierAbout what I expected, hope this is a good example that Quantum is still lethal without the teeth>End Game > GigabyteRough that Gigabyte is taking a flop season just because Mladnik wants to play with his new toy Cobalt but it is what it is>Shreddit > OverhaulGood to see Shreddit actually working, third time this season a shit bot has surprised me and had a great match. Sadly I think this outcome doesn't put Shreddit in the tournament but I feel it definitely keeps Overhaul out.>Rotator > FusionAgain, not shocked. Fusion finally caught fire which felt like a long time coming. I actually think both bots could still make the tourney, hopefully Rotator can get that wedge repaired because going forks here was a risk.>Ribbot > SkorpiosWe're back Ribbros. I can see them bend over backwards to give Ribbot the 32nd seed now. It was all over as soon as they got the chain on Skorpios and Skorpios didn't have an answer.>Terrortops > DKProbably the weakest fight this episode as it dragged quite a bit. Terrortops should definitely get a full spot next year, can't wait to see how they perform in Champions.>Ripperoni > CopperheadShame to see Copperhead miss the 4-0 club I really thought they'd get there this year. The contrarian in me wants to put Redditroni down here as it once again won against a better bot due to a massive driving error but KOing Copperhead is an accomplishment in its own right. I still don't see Ripperoni going far come tournament time when stakes are higher. Still dont like the driver even if he wasn't jumping around like a colossal faggot this episode.
>>141667To win just once against the oddsAnd once be smiled on by the godsTo race with speed along the trackBreak the tape and not look backTo never have considered losingAs if to win is by your choosingBare your soul for all to findAn honest heart and an open mind
Sexiest looking bot in the field, now it's 4-0. Amazing.
>>142974Probably too optimistic hoping that we can go back to the top bots having good designs but I can dream
we are just two weeks away from the start of the tournament, seeding is setting in, who do you got for this week?>Starchild Vs HugeTwo of the Meta breaking sizebots finally go at it, one is proven to be actually good and one is proven to be bad, an easy win for huge, SC must iterate on its "thwack" weapon or retire immediately.>Ominous Vs Shatter.probable lowlight as both bots are struggling one due to being a rookie and one due to just poor play, think i gotta give it to Shatter because of Ominous' rookie struggles with its Srimech, i hope it will improve next year i really like its design.>Triton Vs Horizondiscount Tombstone will probably take this, Horizon needs a more reliable motor to spin up both its bar and horizontal spinners in a fast enough amount of time, it should also invest in better Srimech.>BloodSport Vs BetaBeta is an OG but theres no armor that it has that can withstand any of BS's blades, depending on the Blade config this may be over within 1 or 2 solid hits by BS.>Mammoth Vs Krakenagain Size meta breaking bots should probably be a separate class, this sport is still in its primordial stages but im sure as it keeps growing size regulations will also come into play in addition to weight, that being said i think Kraken will have no issue going for the tires/balancing stem at the back of mammoth.>Valkyrie Vs GlitchAnti Srimech bot Vs Pro Inversion bot, i think you can see where this is going, that being said, glitch does have a knack for disabling weapons so may be a tossup.>Black Dragon Vs RiptideBoth bots have similar build, especially with their weapon. i think purely because of the weapon size advantage, Riptide will take this.I had a separate curious question, do you feel as though the "Reality TV" aspect of the show gets in the way of the actual robotics/robot combat competition? obviously the TV people want to keep up ratings so could that have an affect on the competition itself? IDK just a thought.
>>143026>do you feel as though the "Reality TV" aspect of the show gets in the way of the actual robotics/robot combat competition?If you're talking about the focus on the teams at the expense of the robotics side of it, then yes. A lot of the show is spent recapping what just happened and building up to later fights, for the sake of drama; I'd like to see more pit segments and footage of the teams repairing and configuring their bots instead. Robot Wars did a good job of that.
Well, BattlebotsRaw was late AGAIN, not even gonna bother doing predictions since tonight's episode is already airing. Here's last week's review:>Quantum > EmulsifierQuantum was able to control the fight, even without its teeth. Its durability is no joke, and it's secured a high seed in the tourney here.>End Game > GigabyteThat was a straight-up demolition. Not quite Riptide-vs-Shrederator tier, but it could have easily gone that way if team End Game really wanted it to.>Shreddit Bro > OverhaulWell, I slept on Shreddit, now that it's actually working correctly. Winning on a split decision against a low-tier bot still isn't a good look, but it very well could sneak into a bottom seed now, if the cards fall just right. Overhaul's straight fukt, though.>Rotator > FusionFusion's piss poor durability strikes again. It's still very much in the mix for a low seed, while Rotator should be able to secure a mid seed now.>Ribbot > SkorpiosRibbot may have saved its season with that win. Both of these bots may be tourney-bound, only to get murdered by actual high-tier opponents.>Terrortops > Dragon KingTerrortops is legitimately decent. If they can fix the weapon reliability, they could make some noise down the road. Dragon King still needs a lot of work, though. Real shame, I think it may be the prettiest bot here.>Ripperoni > CopperheadCopperhead was fighting for top seeding. WAS. It'll still be a fairly decent seed, but Ripperoni effectively acquired both a pretty good seeding itself and all but secured Rookie of the Year honors. It could legitimately be a bracket buster come tourney time, but we'll see.
Well, last night's episode fills in quite a few question marks. >Huge > StarchildSomehow Starchild ended up getting murdered even harder than in its last fight. Huge will likely get a top-5 seed, and it's deserved.>Shatter > OminousThis fight was irrelevant. Neither bot really deserved to win here, and in the grand scheme of things, safe to say both are out of tourney contention. Shatter underperformed on what should have been a perfect opportunity to show its upside. Omniwheels are bad.>Triton > HorizonTriton's weapon really isn't that impressive. It should have been able to vaporize horizon, but it couldn't even do that. Triton is on the tourney bubble at 2-2, but it still may be on the outside in.>Beta > BloodsportBoth of these guys were probably gonna make the tourney regardless of outcome, and this was more a case of seeding. Beta will probably be seeded somewhere in the upper-to-mid teens, due to a fairly easy schedule. Bloodsport will likely be somewhere in the 20s, where it has a very real shot of playing spoiler.>Mammoth > KrakenMammoth really needed that win. Unfortunately, both of their wins are against winless bots, so being at 2-2 may not be enough for a tourney placement this time around.>Valkyrie > GlitchWhat a poor showing for what was one of the better bots last season. Again, omniwheels bad. Valkyrie has a decent shot at the tourney because of this win, though at a lower seed. Lucy Du simply isn't a very good driver. I foresee a one-and-done in its future.>Riptide > Black DragonWell, it finally happened. Black Dragon finally got completely dumpstered in a fight. Riptide's legit, though I do wonder how it would fare if it stops completely dictating the tempo of the fights it's in. Will it be able to overcome, similar to the bluebloods of the sport, or will it just flop over and die? Guess we'll see come tourney time, where it should be a top-3 seed. I'll probably do a mock bracket soonish. In the meantime, here's the last tier list.
>>143239>I do wonder how it would fare if it stops completely dictating the tempo of the fights it's in.Considering their two losses so far have been SawBlaze who is basically the current control king and Defender who were a firmly mid tier grabber I think control bots will be their weakest match up. Come tournament time my money is on Hydra, SawBlaze, Blip or even Tantrum to take them out. That's obviously elite competition, but I think if you consider Riptides strengths and weaknesses you'll find they got a schedule that favoured them this year.
>>143292Producers wanted to give that fortnite zoomer faggot an easy schedule so he didnt shit his pants. whole team's never touched a woman
there's a reddit thread saying that Riptide is ruining the season for them
>>143508As meme-ish as it sounds, I'd really love to see Riptide get blown to pieces by something like Hypershock. Yes, it was great that Black Dragon's streak got broke, thanks, but Riptide fans are obnoxious as shit now and need to be put in their place.
>>143508There's been loads of those and they're all the same. One group of fags cries about MUH SHREDERATOR HE SAID A CUSS WORD ON TV while another group of retards pokes them and makes RIPTIDE... LE GOOD? posts all over the place.Unless Ethan screams nigger at a taping Riptide are here to stay, they were toned down quite a lot in the BD fight so they'll probably be better now that they had a talking to.I'm all for them nuking shitters out of the competition if it means we get more quality entries, the more quality entries we get the more Battlebots thrives.All that said I can't wait to see Ethan shit his pants and cry when he gets BTFO by anything that can get under them
>>143576>Nuking shitters out of the competitionThis is what Riptide is good for, like you said it'll only take good ground/front game from a bot like Sawblaze to knock it out like it did in the past.
And so we are on the final week with the Tournament imminent, who takes top seeds and who takes it this week?>Cobalt Vs Luckyeasy schedule baby vs real contender, shouldnt be a worry as long as Cobalt has a decent fork config. I do like classic flippers like Lucky but it needs a serious beef up of its flipper to be a contender.>Blip Vs Bansheewe got flippers galore this week, i think because of its smaller footprint that Blip may be more susceptible to Banshee, however Blips durability cannot be understated, could be a tossup.>Monsoon Vs DeathrollDeathroll has a little bit too much chaotic energy to stably contend, Monsoons stability and anti inversion tech will help it to victory.>Tantrum Vs WhiplashBoth are VS with a slight gimmick, WL has slightly more reach but Tantrum can square up better. Forks may play a key role and WL to me seems like it can win with forks>Hijinx Vs SwitchBackmeh, bit of a low tier, both bots have reliability issues, Gotta give it to SWB though because massively exposed wheels + Drum spinner = disaster.>Slammo Vs Double Tapone final alternative fight to finish the season, i saw one clip of DT and while i like its weapon it needs reinforcement, would like to see it be a real tourney contender someday.>Minotaur Vs Witch Doctorwe all know who these bots are at this point, both are masters at squaring up, both will Do plenty of weapon on weapon hits, the only question is which one has the endurence to withstand eachother, gotta give it to Minotaur due to the fact that its driver just wont give up.How would you rate the season at this point? i give it a 7/10, some fights live up to hype and some dont but overall i like the sport for what it is.
>>143732>Lucky vs. CobaltLucky's had the good fortune of being matched up against lower-tier competition up to now. That ends with Cobalt, who should maul it.>Blip vs. BansheeHmm, Good flipper vs. Shitty flipper. Banshee's outclassed in every category here. Easy W for Blip.>Monsoon vs. DeathrollThis is a sneaky fun matchup with two bots that could play spoiler come tourney time. Gut says Deathroll, though.>Tantrum vs. WhiplashBoth of these guys have been underwhelming so far this season, largely due to having good strength of schedule. Leaning towards it turning into a driving match with Tantrum on the winning end.>Hijinx vs. SwitchbackSwitchback is still not that good, so Hijinx should be able to sneak into the tourney with a win here.>Slammo vs. Double TapDouble Tap's weapon showed reliability issues versus Doomba, but I still don't think I can go Slammo here after it jobbed last time.DT it is.>Minotaur vs. Witch DoctorWhat a fantastic matchup on paper for the last qualifier match. Both of these bots have been solid this season, and it should be a hell of a grudge match, given how last season's tourney went. Minotaur's shown itself to be a better overall bot to me, so I think they'll avenge their heartbreaker of an ending last season.
>>143732Fuck off Bitch Doctor, but sadly nothing we do will stop them from making it into the tournament and we know they've already slept their way to the Final 4.
>>143732>could be a tossupi'd say there's about a 100% chance of that desu
Brindle's is up>>143732>Cobalt > LuckyNot shocked, props to Lucky for surviving past the first hit even if it wasn't for long.>Blip > BansheeI have no idea what the fuck they were thinking with that weird little block on Blips flipper. Banshee looked alright for a rookie here, definitely see them back next season.>Monsoon > DeathrollAnother nothing fight, hopefully Deathroll come back with a redesign next season>Whiplash > TantrumI liked the post fight segment explaining why the self righter failed, Whiplash are still looking tired to me though.>SwitchBack > Hijinx>SwitchBack are a top attack robot!SwitchBack looked great here, really hope Hijinx get demoted to alternate status next year so we can get some new bots in>Minotaur > Witch DoctorMinotaur number 1 huehuehue. I think it's their year.
Well, most of those fights kinda sucked.>Cobalt > LuckyThat was exactly the level of fraud check that I presumed it would be. Lucky simply doesn't match up well against actual decent bots.>Blip > BansheeThat flipper block was a dumb idea. Fortunately, Banshee sucks. Their mobility isn't bad, but the weapon needs a lot more juice. If they can do that, they might at least be a bubble contender down the road.>Monsoon > DeathrollI was expecting this to be a lot more fun than it was. I guess the few years of absence really caught up to Deathroll.>Whiplash > TantrumTantrum has really had a tough season, hasn't it? Granted, it got a stacked fight card hence still getting into the dance, but it likely isn't repeating.>Switchback > HijinxHijinx's startup speed is simply starting to become a liability, and they lack the mobility to really neutralize that issue. Do they warrant getting demoted? Probably no moreso than some of the other lower-tier bots.>Minotaur > Witch DoctorNot quite as good as Minotaur vs. Cobalt, but was easily the best fight of this episode, though that isn't saying much. Minotaur fucking earned its #1 seed, that's for sure. Can they finally break the curse? Only time will tell.
>>144353Addendum: I'll probably do a bracket come Wednesday. In the meantime, here's the blank one. Also, time to debrief the bots that didn't make it in.>BansheeAs mentioned before, Banshee has pretty decent mobility to it, but may have been one of the weakest bots in the field from an offensive perspective. Flippers are pretty decent in the meta, so it could make some noise with more power. I don't expect it to ever be Hydra, or even Blip-tier, but those are high bars to meet.>Big DillAs much as I shit on Big Dill earlier in the season, I think it may have gotten robbed a bit. It started to show some promise in its latter two fights, so if they come back next season with that momentum, they have a legit shot at making the bracket. Keep at it.>Captain ShrederatorThe Captain's been lower-tier since basically forever, and the fact it even made the tourney last season was proven beyond any reasonable doubt to be a fluke. I think a demotion may be warranted at this point.>EmulsifierEmulsifier looked pretty mid. Its schedule did it no favors, but it may need more development time.>Free ShippingFS could have had a shot at sneaking in if it won versus Big Dill. Getting stuck fighting Seeds 1 and 4 did it no favors. At least it was fun.>GigabyteGigabyte went from legit mid-tier bot to low tier pretty quickly, didn't it? Outside of mauling the pathetic Starchild, it looked quite outclassed.>GlitchOmniwheels are a meme. Glitch's bad driving turned out to be a huge weak spot for it after WD figured it out during the Golden Bolt tourney. Kinda surprising it took that long to happen.>GruffOnce upon a time, Gruff was a fantastic tank. Going up against powerful competition proved that it's very mortal at this point. If it didn't have such a stacked schedule, it probably could have snuck in as a lower seed. Such is life.
>>144356More debriefing!>HijinxHijinx got handed a fairly easy schedule, and they STILL fucked it up. Like I said in the previous post, it's a flawed design at this point in time. Perhaps the modern Ghost Raptor in the making? I guess give it one more season and act accordingly from there.>HorizonThis is an interesting design that only won a match due to a massive weapon type mismatch. It will need a major redesign and perhaps some time in exhibition matches to prove it belongs.>KrakenIf I were to make an uneducated guess, Kraken's weird center of gravity gave it terrible mobility issues, and made it effectively nonviable in a field where any bot worth their salt can just outmaneuver it. Back to the drawing board.>MammothDespite being 2-2, Mammoth's only wins were against two of the three winless bots. It's still a fun novelty bot, but at this point, it may be just that, a novelty.>OminousAgain, omniwheels are a meme. If they can actually get them to work properly, this team could do something. Not championship-levels of something, but something.>OverhaulClaw Viper figured out how to play Control bot. Overhaul hasn't. Either a demotion or not getting in at all next season seems fair.>Shreddit BroYou can really tell this is the successor to Pain Train. The same issues that plagued that bot, plague this bot as well. It couldn't even get a winning record with one of the easiest schedules in the roster.>StarchildIts weapon sucks, its mobility sucks, this bot might have been the weakest one in the roster. At least it's pretty? >TritonThis is another bot that was probably on the bubble. It did see a bit of improvement over the course of the season, but Tombstone is it not. The weapon felt fairly underwhelming, which is kinda weird given that it looks like a pure offense-type bot. >ValkyrieLucy Du more like Lucy Don't amiriteFor real, though, Valk would have been a tourney lock if the driving was better. I'd imagine it will be back.
>>143026>"Reality TV" aspect of the show gets in the way of the actual robotics/robot combat competition?Depends.If it's showing the teams working on their bot, working on strategy. Something to do with the competition.Good, it fits with the theme.If it's some hardluck sobstory bullshit. Designed to try to get you to root for this shittter team that's going to get BTFO in the next fight.No, I don't give a fuck.They had a lot of that back when it first came back when it was on ABC. They got rid of a lot of that shit when they moved to Discovery with the 'fight night' seasons.
IN THE RED SQUARE
>>144433"Sometimes here in Vegas, people drink too much. It isn't a secret but you don't end up with a hangover if you face this bot. You better believe it. But it's not a pina colada or strawberry daiquiri that's killing you either. Just a potent punch of Rusty's trusty screwdriver. Give it up for RUSTY!"
IN THE BLUE SQUARE
The tournament is upon us, for most bots this will be a one and done affair, for others this will be the first step to a deep run to the championship, for just two it will be the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny, and for only one this will be their greatest moment. who do you got to start things off? (first part of tournament is right side, left side is next week).>Riptide Vs Shatterthe only way i see shatter having any chance is if they have a really heavy hammer config, other than that Riptide will easily take the ground and will launch it all around the battle box.>Lucky Vs HypershockNice to see another flipper in "contention" however HS is too proven as a real contender to mess this up, Lucky may get one or two flips in but in the end HS will take it.>End Game Vs TantrumPoor little tantrum is having major Srimech issues, and also has reach issues with its weapon, EG is too proven to screw up even against a fellow champion. they take this easily.>Copperhead Vs Rotator.Even if Rotator has its heaviest defensive plow config, it wont be enough to stop CH's drum spinner. they are having a serious off year, if they use forks they maybe able to counter but idk if their undercutter can withstand a weapon on weapon hit.1/2 need to make another post cause its too long
>>1446282/2>Witch doctor Vs JackpotWD takes this, JP's weapon shape is not optimized and has reliability issues, WD's driver also far outclasses JP's>LockJaw Vs BloodsportLJ has tenacity and fight but BS is another thing entirely, it will easily toss around LJ and be able to withstand weapon on weapon hits. there is no angle of attack which LJ can hit without making a weapon on weapon hit. BS takes this.>Huge Vs SkorpiosGonna need to see some expert driving from Skorpios for them to have any shot at chipping away at the Tegris wheels of Huge, other than that i see no other way but Huge punting them around the arena with their spinner.>Claw Viper Vs MaDCatterCV has had great success as a control bot, i expect that to continue with this match, its speed and weapon reliability are absolute top tier.
>>144628Solid picks all around. My only major point of contention is, I just can't back any control bot against any proven destroyer, even after seeing Claw Viper's success this season. I say Madcatter wins at least one.Here's my upset bracket, where I favored upsets whenever remotely conceivable.
>>144808And here's my bracket where I tried to be more realistic.
>>144628IDK why I thought that the left-hand side of the bracket was gonna be first, and as such, the tourney wasn't starting till next week. Here's my bracket which will inevitably be horribly wrong. As for tonight's fights,>Riptide vs. ShatterI have no idea why Shatter's even in this tourney, given how poorly it did in the regular season. My working theory is that they wanted the funniest bot to get pantsed by Riptide. Barring Chomp v. Bite Force-tier luck, Riptide should dominate.>Lucky vs. HypershockLucky's got handed a cupcake schedule in regular season, and should be swiftly booted out of the tourney. It just doesn't fare well versus hyperoffense.>End Game vs. TantrumThese two have squared up twice before, and End Game won in both matchups. I'm expecting similar here, EG simply matches up too well.>Copperhead vs. RotatorRotator's been suspect this season, Copperhead should be able to clean up, though I could see this swinging the other way if Rotator plays their cards right. Doesn't really matter in the end, because the winner will probably just get smoked by End Game.>Witch Doctor vs. JackpotShould be a laugher in favor of Witch Doctor. It's better in every aspect.>Lock Jaw vs. BloodsportLike Copperhead-Rotator, this is basically "Who gets to lose in the next round". LJ's been playing up to potential, so I'm inclined to lean towards it, though again, this could go either way.>Huge vs. SkorpiosSkorp's design actually matches up okay with Huge, but it hasn't been terribly good this season, whereas Huge has looked as good as it ever has. Huge should have this, but I'm not 100% on it winning.>Claw Viper vs. Mad CatterI really do like Claw Viper this season, but it can't really do shit if it can't dictate basically the whole fight. MC should be able to keep up and find just enough wiggle room to turn the tides.
>>144819>My working theory is that they wanted the funniest bot to get pantsed by Riptide.Close, they wanted the most cucked team to get pantsed by Riptide so nobody knocked the kid out.
What do we think was in those missing 2 lbs?
>>144927One of the Riptide members said they were trying to tape a pickaxe onto the bot as a joke. I don't get why they didn't fucking say that rather than acting shifty about it, maybe the whole team is autistic.
>>144948>tape on pickaxe>adds -2 poundsRegardless, if the organizers weren't able to find any functional changes, Riptide is in the clear. The rules allow removing parts but not changing or adding, so since the weight decreased, they were probably fine. Besides, if there were actually a major issue Discovery wouldn't have trumped it up for fake drama engagement.
>>144948>I don't get why they didn't fucking say that rather than acting shifty about itMaybe they did and it was cut from the show (which never bothered to explain it) but Shitter still insisted they keep getting inspected (three times according to Riptide's interview) and that also probably annoyed them quite a bit. I don't get why the show didn't explain and instead just handwaved it with "yeah it's all good">maybe the whole team is autisticEthan is a sociopath who can't stop spurging, the pajeet comes off like a techbro who relishes in pissing people off and the dad enables Ethan's behaviour (he loved it when Ethan made the comment about Adam) probably because he's a cocky bully too.I think at this point in the tournament Riptide are operating out of pure spite against the other teams that hate them and are upset they intruded in their heckin friendly and wholesome scene or ripped off a beetleweight design. They were polite and cordial against Black Dragon and BD took the loss well and it seemed friendly. Shitter and all those NHRL redditors who know each other well probably feel protective and personal about a cocky, aloof, autistic team with a killer bot new to the sport.
>>144957>Ethan is a sociopath who can't stop spergingEthan is the definition of "If he had a brain he'd be dangerous", he isn't socially aware enough to be a sociopath.>the pajeet comes off like a techbro who relishes in pissing people offI'm shocked he isn't getting more hate honestly, dudes the worst of the three. Only value he has is BTFOing himself by consistently contradicting whatever narrative Ethan/Stan are spinning.The blonde kid who offered to help fix Shred is probably alright though.
hey if you guys want some supplmental robot combat content NHRL is doing their event now, check it out. https://www.youtube.com/live/7MK13y7_SHQ?feature=share
Anyone getting fakes vibes lately Its like they are building up riptide as a big bad and then A hero goodie team will narrowly defeat them in the final
Is there a limit to how fast you can spin a spinner ?A team Shatter dude at end of fight was like ranting about it?
>>145158250mph maximum tip speed is the allowable limit in order to ensure battle box integrity. Although theoretically a H.spinner like tombstone could increase that slightly by turning the bot in the right direction? Irrelevant for riptide though. The 2lbs concern might have to do with a lighter spinner spinning faster, or maybe a governor removed, idk, it could be anything. The point is, they perform inspections for a reason, and tinkering after the inspection is obviously sus. You should not be surprised or offended when you are asked to re-inspect.
>>145157He is building himself up that way by his natural repulsiveness desu
>>145157last year hydra was the big bad even thou he is he 2nd nicest guy in the whole show in reality
>>144819Huh, my bracket's safe so far.>Riptide > ShatterThat's about what I expected. Riptide looked as dominant as ever.>Hypershock > LuckyAgain, no real surprises here, outside of maybe Lucky hanging on for as long as it did, but it was basically done from the word "Go".>End Game > TantrumTantrum was doing pretty good to start, but once End Game established some semblance of momentum, it was GG. >Copperhead > RotatorOnce that huge chunk of Rotator fell off, it was basically Copperhead's match to coast to, even if they did take a decent beating in the process.>Witch Doctor > JackpotLike Riptide, WD looked dominant against a much weaker opponent.>Lock Jaw > BloodsportLock Jaw was simply the more resilient bot here. Even with only two good wheels, it had the setup it needed to win.>Huge > SkorpiosSkorp did a good job of chewing some of Huge up, but Huge's weapon simply was too overwhelming in the end.>Madcatter > Claw ViperCV looked pretty legit for the first chunk of the fight, but like I said, it needed to dictate the WHOLE fight. It didn't, so it lost, in what ended up being a surprisingly close bout. The judges at least got it right twice.
>>145158I've said it before but it's funny that Riptide are held to this super close scrutiny on their behaviour but Eric can act like an asshole rage baby consistently because he's le heckin NHRL good guys!
>Makes another wave of faggots cry and seetheJust waiting for him to win the nut to witness the explosion
>>145182Addendum on Riptide-Shatter: I wrote this up before learning about the drama surrounding that fight. Suspect as Riptide's behavior might be, I feel like it didn't affect the outcome of the match, and the show runners are blowing it out of proportion for drama value, and Reddit took the bait hard. Deep down, I know they'll probably get walled by End Game in the Quarters, but part of me does want to see a deep run simply because of the salt value.
The knock out stage is way better TV than the qualifier's which draw on , this season had 15 episodes to reduce 56 robots to 32.16 - ~19/20 knockout episodes.15x8 120 matchesThey should do it like fifa world cup and that could only be 84 matches
>>145255It should be knockout from the startinvite 64 teams. ep 1 - 64-1ep-2 - 64-2ep 3 - 64-3ep-4 - 64-4ep-5 - 32-1ep-6 - 32-2ep-7 - 16ep-8 - 8ep-9 - 4 semis + fifth place runner up fight ( five fights)ep-10 -2 final and third place runner up (two fights) Five prizes 10 episodes of KINO mayhem. Cut out the fat! You could make the final fights longer.
>>145256It would be kino for sure and make great tv.But would teams turn up for that , i mean quality teamsonly guaranteed one fight, no opportunity to learn, innovate improve just a maelstrom of death.half the teams gone in one swoop. Would be it worth the effort, advertisers and sponsors would be turned off by it.
>>145265>But would teams turn up for that , i mean quality teamsNo, it'd be like the middle seasons of classic Robot Wars where every heat ends up being an easy stomp for one robot unless someone brings something never seen before or the experienced bot doesn't upgrade their shit properly.
>forced drama segment Are we WWE now?this look fake afhttps://youtu.be/jBpZVgoZUww
>>145200>held to this super close scrutiny on their behaviourThe rules say you can't modify after inspection.They did. Getting butthurt because you got called out on your shit. Just makes you look like a bitch.>but Eric can act like an asshole rage baby consistently because he's le heckin NHRL good guys!I don't know what the hell you're talking about here.
>>145333So entire episodes that are boring as shit.
>>145641Yes, with only 2 semi final episodes that are the quality of what we have now
Now my predictions of the left half of the bracket >>144819>Minotaur vs. FusionMinotaur's biggest edge here is consistent durability. Even on a good day, Fusion shouldn't be a real threat.>Switchback vs. MaliceCredit where credit's due, Switchback has actually looked decent this season. Unfortunately for it, all 3 of its wins have come against fairly low-tier bots. Malice has a similar record against stronger opponents, and has looked like the better bot this season. With their weapon looking better now, Malice should take this pretty easily.>Sawblaze vs. BlipThis is where things get a bit interesting. Sawblaze's lone loss came against another flipper, but Hydra's been next-level this season. This could go either way, but I'm inclined to say that Sawblaze should be able to perform well enough to earn a win here. This is certainly upset territory, however.>Cobalt vs. MonsoonHard to believe Cobalt's only a 9 seed on paper, but then you remember the 8 bots seeded higher. Still, it should be able to outmatch Monsoon pretty hard.>Hydra vs. Death RollI was hoping for better from Death Roll this season. While its suspect durability may not be as much of an issue versus a flipper, I foresee Hydra dominating the ground game here. >Beta vs. WhiplashThe fact that neither of these bots have faced anything similar to each other this season makes this difficult to predict. Leaning Whiplash simply because it's only really gotten beaten with overwhelming pressure, which Beta isn't really built to do. But this could easily go either way.>Quantum vs. RibbotRibbot's been repeatedly fraudchecked this season, and I expect more of the same here. Quantum should have a fairly easy win.>Ripperoni vs. Black DragonRipperoni's weapon is very dangerous, and its driving has gotten quite a bit better since their first match. However, I think Black Dragon has the better shot, simply due to being a more balanced bot.
>>145703Only disagreement is Beta/Whiplash going either way. It's confirmed Beta are using the bumper car armor again, barring bursting into flames Whiplash has this easily
Farnell(electronics supplier) interviews Hypershock (one of few videos)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBiWTeZmaWE
>>145788Hypershock is my fucking jam.
Redditors shitting their pants every time the Riptide kid breathes has helped me appreciate the robots brilliant design and driving.
>>145788>>145843so after 7 years and 6 iterations they're "happy" with it. Well great job, a bot that has wheels that come off if you sneeze on them, no self righting and is only competitive in the biggest jobber championship.
I think it's been a good season. The new rules have given us both better fights that would have ended early otherwise, and shit fights that should have ended early. But overall, more of the former - I guess the problem with airing every single fight in full gave us more of the latter. They still fill way too much time with Faruq intros but overall the shows have been less full of fluff and filler. I think le Riptide stuff has added some drama in a way and made faggot redditors seethe but also has detracted from everyone else in a way. The tourney so far has been fun and I can feel the stakes. Overall, much better than last season IMO. Some of the episodes have been all timers without a single bad fight.
>>146126A couple seasons ago the Faruq intros started to get so much longer and fan-indulgent. Makes me really miss the short and snappy boxing-style Mark Beiro intros.
>c-can you just back off a secondthe absolute state of Quantum
>>146126>>146145Faruq needs to stop smoking, though, his voice is getting really wavery.>>146106Weak point to make considering there are still bots like Kraken in the game.
Very poor season/fight by BLIP, not even an attempt at a BLIP. Doubt they wil lbe back next season . What went wrongHydra very good
>>146269>What went wrongStrength of schedule and that weird brick attachment. They'll be back next year, it's more likely Tantrum get shelved now it's been exposed so the team can bring their new clusterbot. Apparently they were going to retire Tantrum last year and only brought it because it won
>>145641Yeah, it'd be like watching soccer.
>>146272>the team can bring their new clusterbot.Tell me more?
>>1463582 verts called The Twins, they're demoing it in NHRL in the lower weight classes but people have been heavily hinting that they'll be bringing it to Battlebots.
Another delayed BBRaw upload, another delayed reaction.>Minotaur > FusionThat's about what I expected. Fusion's lack of durability did it not favors.>Malice > SwitchbackMalice's improved weapon durability saved it here. I think Switchback wins against earlier iterations of Malice. Now Malice gets the honor of losing to Minotaur.>Sawblaze > BlipWhat an underwhelming end to a fairly weak season for Blip. Flippers kinda suck when they don't win the ground game.>Monsoon > CobaltPretty big upset here. Monsoon pretty much played this one perfectly, using their configuration to their advantage. I think Cobalt may have slept a bit on this fight, and paid dearly for it.>Hydra > Death RollThe inverse of Sawblaze-Blip. Hydra's also (re)affirmed its status as the best flipper in the game, no questions asked.>Whiplash > BetaWell, that was anticlimactic. Was expecting Beta to last a BIT longer than that.>Ribbot > QuantumAnd with this upset, the last Bong standing is Monsoon. Quantum completely dropped the ball here. They got too greedy with their bite positioning when a golden opportunity was handed right to them. They earned their loss.>Black Dragon > RipperoniHell of a fight. That durability that Black Dragon's been known for ended up bailing them out. Had Ripperoni lasted just a bit longer, it could have won. Still a very admirable performance from them nevertheless.I've adjusted my bracket accordingly, and will do my predictions for tonight later.
>>146847Followup post:>Minotaur vs. MaliceMalice has performed admirable, but it likely won't compete against a true top-tier contender.>Sawblaze vs. MonsoonSawblaze's more defensive configuration should match up very well versus Monsoon, who was reliant on reach in its previous fight.>Hydra vs. WhiplashHydra already manhandled Sawblaze, who is basically a better Whiplash. I see a similar outcome happening here.>Ribbot vs. Black DragonI see this being a repeat of the last time these two met in a tourney. Ribbot simply doesn't have the offensive throughput to be able to have a good shot here.>Riptide vs. HypershockIn a battle of all-out offense, I think Riptide more or less outmuscles Hypershock, should be a fairly quick match either way.>End Game vs. CopperheadEnd Game is still a very serious threat. Its overall profile gives Copperhead fairly few paths to victory.>Bitch Doctor vs. Lock-JawWD has been fantastic this season, and I think it's the overall stronger bot who matches up well versus Lock-Jaw's strengths.>Huge vs. Mad CatterUnless Gassy Cat really steps up, this should be Huge's match to win. Huge counters verts very well.
fuckin' bitch doctor
>>146895I wish this board had spoilers so I could reply to this.
>>146895This episode has me convinced this shit is rigged and/or scripted.
>>138787I don't think anyone is gonna stop Riptide this year. Next year everyone is going to have a config for them
>>146895>Minotaur > MaliceNot as dominant a performance as I was expecting from Minotaur, if I'm gonna be honest. Still, its versatility won the day.>Sawblaze > MonsoonThat was insane driving from Sawblaze. It was the difference maker here, and they looked more dominant than Minotaur, who they get to face next.>Hydra > WhiplashYep, that's about expected. Hydra's ground game is too good.>Ribbot > Black DragonWell, what do ya know, I was proven wrong about Ribbot. Again. It was the stronger fighter here. Can it keep it up versus Hydra? I doubt it, but it could have a cinderella run in it.>Riptide > HypershockRiptide's the strongest offensive threat left in the tourney now. I think the only counter to is is really damn good driving.>Copperhead > End GameImpressive upset here. Copperhead's durability and keeping on pressure allowed for one hell of a dismantling. Side note: This fight pretty much proves that Bite Force wouldn't be invincible in the modern sport.>Bitch Doctor > Lock-JawWD looked completely dominant from start to finish. Huge has, well, a huge task ahead of it.>Huge > Mad CatterWhile Mad Catter did a good job sticking around, Huge's early hits simply proved too much, though the fact that it slowed down like it did doesn't bode well for the rest of the tourney. WD will put it to the test.Updated bracket + final predictions to come later.
>>146976Hydra will stop them!
>>146999>Riptide's the strongest offensive threat left in the tourney now. I think the only counter to is is really damn good driving.Hypershock screwed up big league , nerves or something, I think he meant to outflank riptide and hit it in the side instead he turns and presents his flank to riptide and that was that.
Against my better judgment, my final episode predictions remain mostly the same, though most of the bots here have some semblance of a chance of winning it all at this point.>Minotaur vs. SawblazeThis is a really bad matchup for Minotaur, but I can't bet against them on principle. Sawblaze could absolutely take this, though.>Hydra vs. RibbotRibbot could make things interesting if they use their undercutter here, but I think Hydra's precise driving gives them a sizable edge overall. >Riptide vs. CopperheadRiptide could absolutely win this on brute force, seems like their only weak spot might be their weapon taking a bit to wind up. Copperhead might have to exploit this, because I don't see them winning in the same way they won versus Bloodsport at the start of the season. Still going Riptide here.>Huge vs. Bitch DoctorAfter Huge's last fight, and to a lesser extent Witch Doctor's, this is one that suddenly looks suspect for Huge. But I'm still going to trust it to take care of business against a top-2 traditional Vert. >Minotaur vs. HydraIf Minotaur gets this far, I think its driving allows it to beat whoever it ends up fighting. If Sawblaze wins against Minotaur, it loses to Hydra, but beats Ribbot. >Riptide vs. HugeHuge's driving has been good enough where I think they match up well enough versus Riptide. But this could easily go either way. Huge would also be good versus Copperhead, while Riptide would probably also lose versus Witch Doctor. WD beats Copperhead if they face each other.>Minotaur vs. HugeOnce again, going with Minotaur's driving skills to carry it through this final matchup. In terms of other contenders,>Reasonable chance of winning it allWD/Riptide/Hydra>Iffy, but not impossibleCopperhead>Probably fuktSawblaze/Ribbot
>>147105That's why I think this shit is scripted. Bales looked pissed off before the match even started, and Hypershock wasn't kitted out for a fight with a drum spinner, at all. Riptide was handed an easy win over a bot not even set up to counter it. They're clearly setting it up for Hydra to fight either Riptide or Huge in the final, and they're rigging the fights to make that happen.
>>146272tantrum is a good bot, just need to fix the self righter. it would also help to extend the range maybe another inch or two. the ability to spin up a weapon mid-grapple and deliver hits at will, it's something that they do uniquely. the other implementation of that idea, the hammer saw, has the massive vulnerability of the long exposed belts/chains along the arm. idk man, i'm not ready to give up on tantrum. the design is just too cool.
>>147198From everything I've read it's less about Tantrum being good or bad and more that they want to experiment with new designs but don't have the resources to split across 3 teams, let alone secure 3 spots out of 50.The puncher style vert has promise I just think Tantrum was the wrong design for it , their two biggest wins came from shots to their opponents base plate because they were almost too compact to get good side shots. If any current 4wd verts were to adopt the puncher I think it should actually be Lock-Jaw.>>147124>SawBlaze > Minotaur>Hydra > Ribbot>Copperhead > Riptide>Huge > Witch Doctor>Hydra > SawBlaze>Huge > Copperhead>Huge > HydraStill pulling for a total HUGE victory this year. If only because if one of the drums wins they're gonna quickly become the new 4wd verts.
>>147124Minotaur > SawblazeSawblaze is great at what it does, but it just has too many protruding parts for Minotaur to chew on. This will be a similar fight and a similar outcome to the recent Copperhead > Endgame.Hydra > RibbotHydra made short work of Ribbot in their last matchup. An undercutter is seemingly an advantageous weapon against a low-slung flipper like Hydra, but a massive plow on the front end was enough to defang Ribbot's bite, and the flipper did the rest. Actually Ribbot's own weapon did the rest, with lots of banging around and self-destruction against the floor and walls. I predict they will go with their vert this time around to try to avoid an identical outcome, but I think Hydra has it anyway. He's just got such a good working knowledge of the meta, with answers for any challenge.Copperhead > RiptideThis one might be a reach, and it might be just wishful thinking, but Copperhead is one angry little brick! And I think it has yet to fulfill its potential in the tournament. Its compactness makes it very sturdy, and its weapon is right up there with Minotaur's and Riptide's. I think it stands a better chance than either Shatter or Hypershock anyway.Huge > WitchdoctorAgain, there is probably a certain amount of withful thinking happening here, but Huge has always been a hugely destructive bot with few weaknesses. It seems like the inside attack has been decisively debunked at this point, so WD will surely go for the flanks and try to immobilize Huge that way. Minotaur > HydraNow Minotaur has the hands-down perfect weapon against Hydra. It's at the right level to chew on any part of it from any angle, and getting flipped won't cause it to self-damage at all. I love Hydra, but this is the end of its run this year.Copperhead > HugeThis will be an interesting fight for sure. I somewhat take back my prior statement about taking Huge's inside. Copperhead may be the only bot small enough to fit in and attack the wheels without being struck.
>>147676(cont'd)Minotaur > CopperheadWhat an intriguing matchup! Very similar weapons. Minotaur has a slight mobility edge. However, Copperhead with its forks can probably win a shoving match if it comes to that. I actually prefer Copperhead's bot over Minotaur's because of that, but Minotaur's driving is head and shoulders above. This one has a strong chance to go to the judges. If it does come down to these two in the title match, it will be one for the ages.
>>146106the fuckin Tottenham of Battlebots
>>146387Literally just gonna be two small Cobalts. Meaning they'll probably be bottlers just like Cobalt and they won't hit as hard cause multibots blow chunks. Tantrum will get shelved, maybe brought out for fun i.e. late season Bronco, Blip will be fine-tuned.
>>147130I don't think this shit's rigged. I think Will's just a goofball who doesn't focus up during game time. He's smart n shit but like, the best performance out of Hypershock is when his wife drove it at the re:Mars event.
>>144957The reddit fags are annoying but they keep their mouths shut for the tv (minus Eric's gay ass). Ethan is like if you took the 9 year old kid who calls you a nigger on xbox live and just praised him cause he's really good at the game
>>144963>BTFOthat indian kid can't stop riding Ethan's meat
>>147711>multibots blow chunksClusterbots suck because the last time a serious team with decent knowledge and resources made an honest attempt at building a championship winning one was in 2001. If anyone can pull it off it's Aren Hill, the key I think most people don't talk about is driver coordination and SeemsReasonable have some fucking good drivers
>>147759I’m with ya. This will be the test tho. If this ends up not working, that idea is dead as shit. If they can get it together, which they very well could, it would be nice to see
ITS ROBOT FIGHTING TIME!
Just watched the fina, can't wait to see your reactions. Was a great season, far better than last. I think the rules and production changes were good and seemed like they listened to viewers feedback. more pit stuff and less filler. Even pushing Riptide drama was funny.
>>148203Where do you see it early?
What a great season, would've never guessed that final matchup. >>148203>I think the rules and production changes were goodDefinitely, I think they really helped make this season great (especially the revised controlled movement rule). There wasn't a single controversial JD either, thanks to the appeal system. Can't think of anything I'd want changed for the next season, honestly. Maybe an OOTA pit on the Upper Deck?
>>148203That was awesome, will hold off on results for a little bit in case any anons havent caught it yet but easily one of the best episodes ever.
>>148203>can't wait to see your reactionsHe's /pw/'s reactions.>>>/pw/10278998
Spoilers - was bummed about Ethan getting written off, the whole phone convoseemed really staged kek, If the result was the same, I would have loved to see his reaction to seeing his bot torn apart and his exit interview.
>>148202dammit ....i thought it was going be /ourguys/ year.
>>148238>Can't think of anything I'd want changed for the next seasonI think they should look at the qualifying part of itthe matches before the final 32 its' length (15 episodes to cut 48 to 32)its scoring its whole organization I think it could be sexed up and made shorter and more exiting
10/10 episode, but sad that we were denied a HUGE v Hydra finalThe Huge Vert debuting in the final would have been Razer Cage v2
>>148377I wouldn't mind seeing other weight classes, even if they were only on exhibition as some sort of sideshow.Featherweights and Beetleweights would be cool in particular. Featherweights because you can have a lot of crazy designs for novelty value or mini grudge matches. And Beetleweights because of their popularity and accessibility.
>>1483773rd place playoff
>Sawblaze > MinotaurWell, can't say I wasn't expecting this. Minotaur put up a hell of a fight, given the circumstances, but it simply isn't a good design versus Sawblaze.>Ribbot > HydraNow THIS was a surprise. The forks did just enough to continue Ribbot's cinderella run.>Copperhead > RiptideAnother upset. Copperhead's durability was obscene here, and that's all it needed to stop Riptide's insane offense.>Huge > Bitch DoctorThis match pretty much settles it: Huge is a bona fide vert slayer. WD is cursed to falling short yet again. No huge surprise there. No pun intended.>Sawblaze > RibbotAnd just like that, the clock strikes midnight. Sawblaze was the real winner of Hydra's earlier upset, since they would have gotten rekt if they had to fight Hydra again.>Huge > CopperheadThis was a weird matchup for Copperhead, and all Huge really had to do was drive just right, and they delivered. Very satisfying to see Huge make it this far. HOWEVER...>Sawblaze > HugeWhat a finale. Two unorthodox bots slugging it out till the bitter end. While Huge had a great start, Sawblaze was simply too sturdy in front, and its design let it knock Huge's weak spots. Had Hydra not jobbed to Ribbot, I think Huge wins the nut here. Food for thought.Great ending to a good season.
>no 4wd vert in the final for the first time since season 1/2Is it over?
>>148469Drums are the new 4wd fork verts, calling it now next season we'll have >Minotaur>Riptide>Copperhead>Switchback>Glitch>Black Dragon>Manta who won Robogames>Probably one or two existing verts swapping to a drum>Ribbot drum config>Possibly the new Whyachi bot being a drum>One or two other rookie drums>Shreddit if they give him another shotIt's gonna get fucking ridiculous real fast, I also expect we'll start seeing more top attack bots like SawBlaze/Skorpios to compensate.
Pee Pants Schultz bros what happened?
Now that the dust has settled,was it a work or a shoot?
>>148490Incredibly obvious manufactured villain for TV. The reality is that they're just a little unsportsmanlike and immature, but that was enough for the producers to build a narrative with.
>>148380hydra needs improvements. He's forced to drive it defensively due to its poor mobility. Hydra needs a better drive and a stronger front to win versus the drum meta
>>148504Its was getting stuck on the floor ?I think some other bots where having issues with floor as well , floor gets wrecked late in the competition
>>148511some other bots yes, as bad as hydra? no.
>>148513Hydra has to win the ground game at all costs since it's a flipper. If the other bot can run forks then Jake is forced to run those ground scraping piano keys and sacrifice mobility. End Game when they ran those paint-peeling tongs had big problems too.
Maybe they could get farouq to polish the floor in between fights