Thread for judo (other jacketed wrestling styles welcome)>IJF World Tour Schedule 2023March 24-26 - Tbilisi Grand SlamMarch 31-April 2 - Antalya Grand SlamJune 23-25 - Ulaanbaatar Grand SlamAugust 4-6 - Hungary Grand SlamAugust 18-20 - Zagreb Grand PrixSeptember 22-24 - Baku Grand SlamOctober 20-22 - Abu Dhabi Grand SlamDecember 2-3 - Tokyo Grand Slam>watch: https://www.youtube.com/c/judolive.ijf.orgprevious thread: >>123902
When is the Ude Garami finally going to be banned? It's a shoulder lock and shouldn't be allowed in the first place. I'm sick of the IJF basing it's rule changes around the Olympics so it takes longer for new bans to come into effect.
>>138312>asking for the ijf to ban more stuffFaggot, get out of my sport
>>138312sounds like a skill issue
Has Judo changed your life in any way?>found on /fit/
>>138438Not in a big glamorous way like that anon. But I would say that it gave me some self-confidence, discipline, getting back up after taking a fall, etc. So overall it has been a positive effect on my life. I started as a kid 20 years ago just practicing casually once a week.
Michi finally got an Ippon.
>>138438I am still a very anxious person, but judo has made me feel like I can handle a confrontation just a little bit better than before, which made me a lot less anxious
>>138438Lmao what an autistic retard. How the fuck is he a white belt after seven years? And using fake names? Why? This has to be a schizopost.
>>138438It got me into shape as a kid and my judo base greatly helped my wrestling in high school. And it helped me in a jam once when a drunk asshole took a swing at me and I had to Tai otoshi him.
Hello,Question regarding Soto-makikomi. Do I have to fall with Uke or can I still stand?
>>138487Makikomi means wrap around. Makikomi requires you wrap the opponents arm around your body and then roll to the floor with them. There’s no way to do it while remaining standing.
What are the chances you'll get injured or break a bone as a new older beginner, beginner group or recreational.
>>138512You can do a ugly version of it where you don't fall. However if you're trying to perform it for a grading, you have to fall.
>>138536Do you have a video of this “ugly version?” I’ve never seen it done that way and I can’t even imagine why you would.
>>138537no because makikomi throws are pretty rare in comps and aren't that talked about, i was just using ugly judo as the term for untraditional or botched judo moves.
>>138487>>138512>>138531>>138536>>138537>>138545You can stand, but you'll break Uke's arm.
>>138304Should I take Judo or BJJ at an MMA gym? I love standup desu but I dunno if judo or wrestling will be more fun.
>>138553If you’re going to an mma gym and have the option to do both why wouldn’t you do both? If you’re concerned about what’s more fun (not a criticism I tell everyone to train the martial arts they enjoy because otherwise people drop out) give both judo and wrestling a try at your gym and decide which you like more. Hell if you have the time do all three.
>>138312don't even put this shit in my fucking head, it does not need to be banned
>>138482I've met a couple judokas who haven't changed their belts for years.
>>138531Negligible. You will probably be paired with someone experienced who knows how to hold back. Don't be a retard and push yourself to the limit, take a break when needed. I am in a more recreational group, and the only ones that I see hurting themselves/each other are the 14-17 year olds.
>>138566I've had a brown belt for almost 10 years, because taking exams was too much of a pain in the ass. and before that I was a couple of years on blue for the same reason.
>>138304What does /judo/ think about Japanese Jiu Jitsu? I haven't looked into the specifics yet but from what I watched yesterday (they were practicing alongside us) it's just judo with atemi.
>>138585I wish Jujutsu was preserved and well documented. There's a lot of stuff that was lost when Japan modernized during the Meiji era. Kano preserved the trapping grappling, submission and ground fighting of Koryu and made it safe for practice. However the unique strikes, weapons (jujutsu isn't just unarmed fighting), rope tying, and other facets were dropped or forgotten.Nowadays we have safety gear and awareness of biomechanics to apply those more dangerous methods to practice. It's a lot like how bare-knuckle boxing had throws and trips along with purring kicks before Queensbury instituted gloves.
What are some options to handle the lower wrestling stances? I know they tend to focus on single/double leg takedowns, so sprawling works well but what else works? Pic related.
>>138599Make them touch your leg so the ref shidos them until the lose by disqualification.
>>138566>>138573My club, and as far as I know none of the other clubs in the area, require you to test for anything other than your black belt.Also even if that’s the case the guy in >>138438Is still majorly schizophrenic
>>138599Ive never done strict judo, only wrestling and grappling with some judo dudes. It kinda depends on the style the wrestler is using. If they are folkstyle or freestyle, then getting them to stand up out of the stance works pretty well at making them more imbalanced and takes away alot of weapons. Just getting then to stand isn't enough, you've got to control the level changes, so clinching and/or good underhooks. Alot of head pressure and posting works to get counter pressure, and get them to stand. Foot sweeps are always a surprise for me because they are pretty rare in wrestling outside of single legs. Now if you're training with gecko dudes, all that shit goes out the window, because I'd say gecko and judo a much more similar in stance and takedowns. Just my 2 cents
>>138599Low stance sucks in the Gi. You can just get two collar grips and now they can't shoot at your legs without getting launched, while you can mess with snapdowns and osoto all you want. This is how I beat BJJ guys in standup, get two collars and start foot sweeping, it's low risk high reward.I'm assuming you're asking about the Gi. Nogi isn't really Judo anymore
UOOOOOOHHH ToT KANI BASAMI SO KINSHI ToT ToT
>tfw working on my ouchi has been paying off
>>138599Belt grip + your best throw.I usually do back sacrifice throws like Hikikomi gaeshi because they're easy to do against someone who's leaning forward.
As someone who does bjj and wish to dabble in judo but not long term, how long would it take to learn some basics?
>>138599with gi or nogi?with nogi you do a front headlock, separate your hips from their hands, make them go par terre, go from there. with gi you grab the back of their collar and keep breaking their posture, try preventing the hand youre holding with hikite from getting a grip. if its bjj you force them into par terre and go into one of the most dominant grappling position of backmount. if you do judo you can do a strong harai goshi, uchimata, osoto, sasae, and all sacrifice throws are great when their posture is broken, basically any throws where they go forward is likely to succeed. im convinced that the low wrestling style is only good for pure folkstyle wrestling where shooting and top position is everything, which is why even greco wrestlers dont go that low.the main conceptual reason as to why freestyle wrestlers go low is because when youre doing nogi, you can only push, and the low stance means that its hard as fuck to have you fall over through pushing if you have a low stance. while you can still be pulled in a headlock or snapdown the consequence of turtling in wrestling isnt that high, and thats another reason they go low. nogi bjj if they turtle will get their back taken.now with the gi, you can push and PULL and that means that a neutral stance is best.
https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Judo/Membership/American-Judo-Alliance-Agreementwhat does this mean
>>138599Georgian grip stuff. If you're comfortable in that position and someone gives up the back in a jacket grappling context, go for it.
>>138589Rope tying? Like in the bdsm sense or in the cowboy sense?
>>138810Depends on how often you go to judo. While there's crossover for sure, standup grappling is a different beast and has a steeper learning curve IMO. The most important thing is to empty your cup. It may feel logical to do a move a certain way from your BJJ experience that's actually counter-intuitive to how you're supposed to do it.
>>138812Very nice, high quality post
>>138312hopefully never.no locks or holds should be banned. Every bjj move should be legal in judo. in an ideal world, bjj and judo should be one united gi grappling sport where practitioners are good at both takedowns (which also include leg grabs) and newaza. barring that, the only difference between judo and bjj should be that judo rewards throws more while bjj rewards submissions more.The IJF banning certain grips, certain positions, certain throws and certain meta just dilutes the art and makes every judoka worse at grappling.
>>139002>The IJF banning certain grips, certain positions, certain throws and certain meta just dilutes the art and makes every judoka worse at grappling.They think it's good for sport, which is true since it needs to look good to make money, the reason that leg grabs were banned was the IOC told them that it needs to be distinct, since judo is naturally a grappling art it is going to look similar to wrestling which was already in the olympics. Thus what they thought of was to take away leg grabs to make the matches look more presentable and pretty to the eye. The things the IJF might kill the sport of judo but be assured that the martial art of judo lives on more in bjj than it currently does in olympic judo. In fact, you wouldn't notice much difference between a training session in 1920 in judo than a current day bjj gym.
I'm gonna do it, guys. Tonight I'm returning to the dojo for the first time since I was a kid fifteen years ago. I'm gonna suck, and I will ask them to knock me back to the lowest kyu, but I'm so hyped right now.
>>138482Depends on where they live too, some countries require competition at every belt level to progress, and if he's not competing then he's not getting promoted. Also, some countries still only have white and black belts with nothing in-between, and you only get your black by winning certain comps.
>>138487You should definitely roll with your opponent, however, when I've done makikomi against less experienced people, they've often fell over before I've fully completed the move so they go down without me having to roll. I hate it though, it looks shit.
>>139033>it looks shitits a based throw, you just suck at it
>>139031I'm back. Sore, but still hyped. Wish me luck for next session, frens.
Hey /judo/,For osoto-otoshi, should I plant my leg first then push forward or try to push forward and chase Uke's leg? Which one if this is easier:>Push>Plant leg>Pushor>Plant leg by stepping >Push
>>139057When I was taught osoto otoshi I was taught to reach out and hook the leg from a distance, hop forward and plant my leg in the same motion, then drive them down with my hip
>>139056Good job, I am proud of you fren. What throws did you do?
>>139062Uke-goshi and a couple different variations on ko-soto-gari. They also teased some strangleholds, which I look forward to learning, because I was too young to last time.
>>139004its a complex feeling that i have about grappling. im not really happy about any single style, and i want a unified grappling system. i love the creativity, freedom, and flow of bjj, how good they are on bottom positions, but i hate guard pulling and i love the ippon system in judo that rewards throwing a mfer to the ground.
anybody use an elbow weave in no gi? Seems possible if substituting the sleeve control with a wrist tie, but not sure if it'd be worth trying or not
Should I do cardio? My sensei just says to treat judo as the cardio and jusr focus on strength training in between classes when not competing. Thoughts?
>>139128Is it not possible to do more Judo? Cardio for judo wouldn't really work for something like running, where you have to explode for like 20 seconds and get reset, catch your breath, then explode again. Off the top of my head I'm having trouble thinking of how you'd do cardio unless you use uchi komi bands or something.
>>139107I also think ippon doesn't mean what it used to, it was meant for a perfect throw with technique and force, now if a person does a lazy sumi and barely rolls the other person on their back it's an ippon. Freestyle and kosen judo are legit and seem to be as close as you can get to what you and a lot of others are looking for. But, it will never, and I mean ever, be as big as something in the olympics.
>>139128Yes, especially if you are competing, doing judo only will get you so far, but if you have five matches in a night or more, technique will get sloppy, it will be hard to move your feet and you'll eventually just give up. You need to do cardio and weight lifting along side judo to go far
>>139128Swimming my friend. Little to no impact on your joints, but it's going to work muscles that you usually don't utilize daily.
>>139128Tabata burpees, shadow grapple in the 10 second intervals
>>139004It doesn't dilute the art, it refines Judo. If you want to do leg grabs and kimuras and other gay shit go do BJJ like the faggot you are. Judo is about throws.
What's going on with the US Judo federations?
>>139195>Judo is about throws.Read your textbook.
>>139195I don't know why you are so defensive, bjj is more judo than olympic judo is. Seriously, leg grabs have been a part of the art for 100 years and you're telling me getting rid of it doesn't dilute it, it is kind of delusional.
>>139195kimuras are still IJF legal>>139197pic related
>>139195>reverse seoi, double leg slams, kata guruma are not throwsthe ijf doesnt do shit to refine throws, the actual people who refine throws are judokas who come up with new strategies and metas. all the ijf does is cry about "muh safety" or "muh good judo" and restrict athletes.
>>139210>kimuras are still IJF legalno they’re not what the fuck are you talking about?
>>139203> bjj is more judo than olympic judo isLMFAO https://youtu.be/-saGaKMomUs
>>139219Disregard this post I suck cocks and misread legal as illegal
>>139195>>139203>>139220Hello,I hate BJJ so much, you faggots are so fucking pretentious. Every time I hear one of you assholes do your literal gay rape attacks I raise my nose in disgust and disinterest. But not you are forcing us to take interest by flooding an actual martial arts thread. I loathe you people and the amount of shit you flush into any thread about fighting, it's like you homos highlight the words 'fight, street, street fight, self-defense, defense, sucking cock, mma, bareback, judo.' I bet you think you're the hot stuff because you rolled around like a pig in shit with some 160 lb. genetic defect like yourself that you managed to do some ugly "submission" (In reality, you both stalled or got gassed because you have the lung capacity of a asthmatic Chinese steelworker.) If you wanted to be top shit, you would have done Japanese Jujutsu. Not BJJ, sounds gay to even say. You know, the one that doesn't just teach how to situate your dick as close to your opponents face as much as possible? Yeah, the it's called JJJ or Japanese Jujutsu. A greater teaching because it teaches how to punch instead of falling onto your ass as a defense tactic. And how to throw, like actual throws. Not just those little ankle picks or double legs, but actual throws like hip and foot sweeps.In closing, if you take BJJ, you're a massive faggot who would be killed if someone with an iota of Judo or actual Jujutsu experience (fuck just someone over 6'2, 220 lb. with zero training) would do better than you. You suck, you're "art" sucks, you're ability to fuck shit up for others who do actual arts sucks, and I hope great misfortune and suffering to come your way for all of your pathetic life.-Disrespectfully, a Judoka.
>>139224lol calm down
>>139210I know, but kimuras should be illegal. They’re shoulder locks and hyperextensions like they’re ruled, and should be made illegal.>>139217They literally refine what real judo is by getting rid of the shitty “throws” that pollute the sport. Like I said, if you want to do faggy leg grabs where you drop her head into someone dick, go do wrestling or BJJ. Judo doesn’t want you. You’re happy to go start your own judo federation with your own gay rules, but every attempt has been a failure because the IJF rule set is what real judokas actually want, which is refined throws in the spirit of judo.>>139224Based post.
>>139228Is this bait? I don’t know a single judoka who actually thinks the leg grab ban is a good thing or that the ijf is doing anything but acting like retards. Moreover, ude-garami has been around since the sports inception and poses no more danger than any other lock. You’re a faggot if you want it banned.
>>139228>>139229I should add everyone talks about double legs like that’s the only thing that got removed after leg grabs were banned. Far more common when they were allowed was shit like te guruma which was straight out of Japanese jujutsu.Look at this beautiful technique and tell me this isn’t a “real throw”https://youtu.be/y_X2NLLGloc
>>139220It's true though, bjj today at a good gym that does takedowns would look like a judo class in the 1920's, I don't understand why you are so against this idea. The IOC has time and again asked the IJF to remove things from judo and you sit in front of your computer and deny that it makes judo weaker, you're just wrong.>>139224I don't know why you (You)'d me when I'm right, bjj is judo with a different ruleset, it wouldn't be wrong if you called it brazilian judo, you are too stuck on the idea that what you are currently training is the best when real, unneautered judo is, not what we do today. Do you even know what to do when someone touches your leg? Do you drill enough newaza to finish a fight or pin a person down until police arrive if your throw does nothing? I am a judoka and I love no martial art more than it, that is why I am mad at what it is turning into just so people can compete according to a ruleset that gets more and more restrictive what seems like every year when it should be a lifestyle and self-defense.
>>139230Good point also obi tori gaeshi and (one of my favorites) sukui nagehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpc82SrunUUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU6aJ2kFxoI
>>139231> bjj today at a good gym that does takedowns would look like a judo class in the 1920'sLmfao even harder this time. I’ve cross trained bjj even at the places that “train takedowns” you are absolutely out of your mind. The pedagogy of a bjj and judo class are completely different
>>139234What was the gym called?
>>139235I’m not going to post all the places I’ve trained on 4chan you faggot I’m not that stupid. If you’ve trained both at any time you’d understand what I mean when I tell you their entire approach to teaching is completely different.
>>139236I don't know why you keep name calling, it's not proving any point, your experience means that means you only went to a gym that trains half of what is allowed, i.e. not a good gym
>>139228>getting rid of shitty throwsthe competition and sparring process IS what gets rid of shitty throws, not some bureacratic committee made of japanophiles. korean seoi is a high impact and high percentage throw. if you can look at a high percentage throw and still call it shitty, id ask you if youve ever done randori in your life. Judo isnt great because of its techniques, its great because of its refinement process through competition rather than a group of senile fucks who hasnt competed for 70 years deciding what competitors should and shouldnt do.if a throw is shitty the competitors will find out for themselves in that it doesnt work, there is no reason to ban it.
>>139237Because you’re a retard talking out of your ass. Let me know when your super special bjj gym has you do complex kumi kata or uchikomis until you feel like puking and then tell me that competitive judo and BJJ classes are basically exactly the same.
>>139242You are comparing the intensity of workouts from one gym to another, some judo gyms dont have warmups and some bjj gyms warmups are like boot camp. You're comparing apples to oranges, the techniques themselves that are from judo and the same techniques that are in bjj, bjj still allows most of those techniques that were in judo since 1885. I would wager someone like you could even notice that. However, judo has banned some of these techniques from competition, right? So bjj is unneutered judo. It is literally judo with a different ruleset.
>>139257No, retard, you’re still missing the point. The way in which judo practices and the way in which bjj practices are fundamentally different. I’m not talking about intensity specifically but pedagogical focus. Even then, having trained a number of different places the least intense judo dojos have been about on par with the more intense bjj gyms I’ve been to. Bjj is not like judo. No amount of your coping is going to change this. >inb4 muh banned techniquesCool dude let me know when you’re actually allowed to throw people hard without getting disqualified. Let me know also when you start resetting or punishing people for suicidally jumping into guard then acting like the other guys a douchebag for dropping you on the floor like any reasonable person would.Why are you even here? Go have a flow roll.
>>139259>Cool dude let me know when you’re actually allowed to throw people hard without getting disqualifiedI'm not him but intensity isn't what gets you DQ'd in BJJ. Every Judo throw I know of you can do in BJJ, though I don't know them all. The "banned" throws in BJJ are when you redirect momentum halfway through the throw after lifting them above your hips. An example would be that you can absolutely bury someone with a ura-nage and that's fine, but what wouldn't be is if you pick someone up with a ura-nage, stop halfway and then redirect and slam them on your face. All of the judo throws I know seem to be continually moving a person in the same direction, so they're all fine in competition (and I use them as I compete in both Judo and BJJ). As to why there's these weird distinction, I have no idea, but I do appreciate that it lets you do quite a lot of takedowns.
>>139266>but what wouldn't be is if you pick someone up with a ura-nage, stop halfway and then redirect and slam them on your faceI meant *on their face
>>139266>>139267Off the top of my head that disqualifies Utsuri goshi, I’m sure there are other j can’t rememberhttps://youtu.be/35UD3FdXobQReally my beef with the above anon is just the absolute retardation of thinking that the training methods between bjj and judo are basically the same. As I mentioned before, I’ve cross trained bjj. I wouldn’t have done that if I thought it was useless. However, as I’ve said, the pedagogical focus Is different. When you’re training people to accomplish different goals, regardless of whether they’re both grappling related, you’re inevitably going to train them differently
>>139259Do you even know what to do against a obi tori gaeshi, sukui nage, double leg or an ankle pick? You are such a dullard, it is impossible to get through to your tiny brain with your thick skull in the way. You aren't even making points in... whatever your argument is (bjj doesn't train hard I guess?) and it's hard to keep reading your nonsense so I'm done entertaining you.
>>139272>Do you even know what to do against a obi tori gaeshi, sukui nage, double leg or an ankle pick? Lmao, not only have I told you that I’ve cross trained other styles of grappling but you might be surprised to know a lot of people have done judo since before 2013 you retarded zoomer. This statement is especially funny to me because I do a lot of sacrifice throws and regularly score with a variant of obi tori gaeshi that’s legal. Observe: https://youtu.be/zdzuZopr2pM> You aren't even making points in... whatever your argument is (bjj doesn't train hard I guess?) and it's hard to keep reading your nonsense so I'm done entertaining you.Let me say this a third time since your clearly an illiterate sped. The pedagogical methods of judo and BJJ are different because they’re training people to accomplish different goals in competition. Bjj training, even at places that “train takedowns” are not training in the same way or with the same focus or nuance that judo does. If you had ever stepped foot in a judo dojo you would know this. The absolute absurdity of saying “modern bjj is like 1920s judo” is so insane in so many ways I can’t imagine anyone with any knowledge of either sport saying it. I’d love for you to find me a pre 2013 judo video of someone jumping into guard, lol.
>>139271Yeah I'm sure there are others, I just haven't seen them yet. I think even with that video, you could get away with the first two in BJJ, maybe the third, but the 4th and 5th might catch a DQ. I know there's some other requirement based on height like you have to also have lifted their body up a certain height when you redirected, or maybe that you straightened your knees or something, but it's been forever since I did a referee course.In a more judo-related topic though, I don't know if the difference is exactly pedagogical, but more inherent differences in the arts. In my experience, Judo is an art where the focus is more on being the better attacker whereas BJJ focuses more on being better defensively. Of course there's defensive Judo and offensive BJJ, but Judo you win through performing the offensive technique (unless you defend until shido) whereas BJJ you usually win by making no mistakes, then waiting/forcing your opponent to make a mistake and capitalising on it.It really helped my Judo competitions a lot when I changed my mindset around the energy expenditure as well. Coming from BJJ, when I would do tachi-waza I would always try to grind and make my opponent make a mistake, or bait them into making an opening but not overcommitting since in BJJ, failing a takedown means you're basically on bottom. Whereas once I got my head competing in Judo as more of a "throw everything you have into the attempt, if it doesn't work, get reset and repeat" mindset and didn't have to worry about being punished (I'm in heavyweight so turnovers hardly happen), I found a lot more success. This mindset wouldn't work as well in BJJ though, since a failed move can mean you're underneath someone for the next 10 minutes, but for me I've found that's the biggest fundamental difference. Judo is more about being good at attacking whereas BJJ is more about being good at defending.
>>139274I don’t disagree with anything in this post except I would say that because of the necessary difference in mindset as a result of the sports rules, different pedagogical methods are used to train it. I don’t think there’s a bjj equivalent to lining up ten ukes in front of a crash pad and then having tori try to throw all of them as quickly as possible before switching out to the next guy.
Newbie here.I could do a few throws during uchikomi but never had any luck during randori. What am I missing?
>>139305How new? The answer is probably experience.
>>139307I've only got a yellow belt. While the other yellow belts also suck at throwing that compensated with being aggressive and explosive. However I probably drink to much to still have any aggressiveness left in me and I'm feeling old (only got into judo in my late 20s)The only times I've had any success was when someone making a really bad move and already lost their own balance
>>139313>While the other yellow belts also suck at throwing that compensated with being aggressive and explosive. However I probably drink to much to still have any aggressiveness left in me and I'm feeling old (only got into judo in my late 20s)It's all copium dude. More uchikomis is all you need to be competent at your rank.
>>139313Be explosive and aggressive then if your randori’ing hard. Watch the way your dojos black belts fight. I guarantee they’re throwing themselves around aggressively too.The great thing about randori is you can take risky actions and get tossed like a retard ten thousand times without it mattering. you do this enough and you’ll inevitably learn the perfect timing and positioning to fight aggressively AND with low risk to getting countered. Remember, nobody “wins” randori. However, if you stay passive instead of practicing you are losing.
>>139305experience, technical skills, setups, good grips and positioning, movement, athleticism and strength; could be alot of things youre missinggo watch youtube judo tutorials. id recommend shintaro higashi, travis stevens, jimmy pedro, shintaro nakano. if you like judo enough watch the judo highlights yt channel and get acquainted with how people move in competitions.if your club has open mats, go often and spar lightly, focusing more on technique and timing than strength to avoid injuries, to to keep calm and loose when you spar.this one is a tip from B team jiujitsu, john danaher and travis stevens, but i think its useful: go do positional drills and sparring during open mats.basically, you go get a dominant grip and position (i.e. high collar grip breaking posture), you can decide whether your partner can get a grip or not, and then you pick 2-3 throws that can combo with each other (sasae, uchimata, kouchi). You go offense and your partner can only do defense and not attack. the idea is that you want to progress from easy as fuck uchikomi into a "harder drill" that is still easier to get a throw in than randori; kinda like adding weights to a lift incrementally rather than jumping straight into benching 200 lbs. this should help you transition easier to getting a throw in randori.
Why is Mou Ippon! so goddamn good? It's making me wish I took judo more seriously as a kid and actually tried my hardest at competing.
>Fat fuck that is twice my size rolls into class>Start teaching him the moves, he even confuses his right from the left >Start teaching him osotogari (sensei told me to, have to qualms)>I've practiced that move a lot, even though I'm just a white belt I have gained many ippons in randori with it >Give it my fucking best, dude doesn't even flinch with itI've been coping and seething ever since, judokanons. I have no problem getting fucked in randori by higher belts than me, but not being able to even scratch a bigger man with my moves has actually hurt my ego.
>>139437>even though I'm just a white beltUnironically git gud. I weigh 145kg and my coach is 60kg and I've literally never been able to throw him, while in randori he'll throw me every 30 seconds, if not earlier. Size does matter, but it can be overcome with skill.
>>139313You gotta have that dawg in you. I went 0-2 at my first tournament as a white belt, and even though I had fun, it bugged me.Changing my randori mentality from playing to "I'm going to go in there and throw this guy" helped me a lot. I'm not saying to be a jerk to your partners or do unsafe things. As a simple thing, when you do randori, try to "grip and go". Instead of trying to hang out and grip fight and fish for counter, get your grip and send it.>>139314>uchikomis for anything beside working up a sweatI think you learn much more from nagekomi than uchikomi, and I think it's easy to develop bad habits if you do a lot of uchikomi and not a lot of throwing.
>>139437it happens. martial arts is always easier for those bigger and stronger. you unironically need better techniques and to get stronger. martial arts and judo isn't some magic voodoo that completely nullifies strength. people need to be reminded that technique is the efficient application of strength, so if you want to improve your technique, you can either get stronger or learn new things in your technique.
>>139411Its the first pure sports anime that came out in the last decade without Isekai or supernatural/mmorpg bullshit tacked on. Finally just a realistic anime about sport and fun again like we had before 2010.
>randori>opponent and I's grips get disengaged>he is off balance and within arms reachI would usually shoot for a double leg here as I come from a wrestling bg, but what is the IJF approved way to capitalize on this?
>>139496>blocks you're path
>>139035you misunderstand. I love the throw and use it well, I'm saying that inexperienced people go down before I've even fully committed, and makes the throw look shit.
>>139507You could do a Greco-Roman style high dive, though IJF bear hug rules means you would have to get one grip first.https://youtu.be/yV77wXxaI7I
>>139534Cool. I'll modify this to grab the ukes jacket instead and reach around to grab my sleeve. Is dropping to one knee to shoot legal in Judo? I swear IJF is cucking this sport.
>>139537No. Drop ouchi is a thing.
>>139543>drop ouchiSeems to be something done while having grips on the guy. How do i execute this from a double-leg distance?
>>139537You can still bear hug, you just need to have one grip first before transitioning to it. You can't grab double unders with no setup.>>139544You need grips, but you don't need to hold them for long. Grip and let 'er rip. Webm related.
>>139549Ok so is this legal?>shoot for high-dive (double leg but greco style)>right hand grabs ukes jacket>left hand reaches around, right hand lets go of jacket to gable grip left hand>takedown
>>138304I'm out of shape and out of practice. I'm fixing the out of shape part of that. I'll have time to go back to the dojo and get back to practice in several months. Is there anywhere worth going to cram once or twice daily judo lessons for 1-4 weeks to get back in the swing of things? Looking for a more traditional place.
>>139544You generally don't, because jacket wrestling isn't naked wrestling. When you're in double leg distance, you're also in gripping distance, and that makes it a lot harder. In sambo and pre-2010 judo, the good leg shots were done from normal grip fighting, where a guy breaks grips and goes for it. There's a reason people were doing a lot of low amplitude low singles in 2008 - it's what you can do from a long range in jacket wrestling.>>139551That seems like a lot of work compared to just doing normal judo..
Anons, what are the best resources I could use to learn about Judo? I'm a newfag to this stuff and I just want to learn more
>>139706Going to a fucking judo club?Otherwise, Jigoro Kano wrote loads of books. Read them.
Why is morote seoi nage the "manlet throw"?
>try to outsmart everyone>someone beats you with speed>try to outspeed everyone>someone beats you with power>try to overpower everyone>someone outsmarts you
I'm a training security guard and want to know some police-grade judo throws. What are some throws that use a lot of arm control and aren't too complex.
>>140102Go to a judo club if you want to learn judo. Also get a real job.
>>140105That sounds like a difficult throw.
>>140102Osoto Gari is deadly
Hello /judo/I cross-train judo with shuai jiao. My tokui waza in judo is drop seoi, which I can't do in shuai jiao because the ruleset forbids most drop throws. Would it be better to develop a standing seoi or work on a low squat seoi so I can try to use the same muscle memory?
>>140102Judo doesn't work unless you do a lot of randori, aka fighting. You need to try the techniques against an unwilling partner that is trying to get away or is trying to beat you. Why, because>>139327>experience, technical skills, setups, good grips and positioning, movement, athleticism and strength; could be alot of things youre missingYou're going to miss up all these things if you don't actually train and stick to watching a couple of youtube videos.
>>140142So yeah, basically what >>140105 said.
>>140129>shuai jiaoAre you in China?
>>140105>>140142>>140143I am practicing Judo, I'm just wondering which throws are more arm dominant or easier to perform.
>>140129If you can do the squat variant that would probably transfer easier. You should have a good standing seoi in general though just because it’s a good throw.
>>140146Ask your coach,alternatively just read up on te waza.
>>140102>>140146Sasae tsurikomi ashi and standing ude garami come to mind. You should also consider the likelihood of someone having a concealed edged weapon when picking your throws, e.g. next time someone throws you with o goshi think about if you could realistically stab and rip their back open with the force of their own throw applied to a knife's edge.
>>138438I always did it as a kid and recently got back into it under the same teacher.Except I just got sick with something.The guy from /fit/ sounds lazy.If you're going to do a sport at least get good at it and challenge yourself.
I always get winded during randori, what are some good exercises to build stamina?
>>140163More randori. More uchikomi. Or just go for a run or learn some parkour, fatty.
>>140129I don't think Steve Scott knows what he's talking about in this instance. A lot of Japanese and Korean drop seoi nage players use a low squat in practice to save their knees and get the feel of driving off their toes. They all drop to their knees in competition. When you're really driving to finish from a low squat, you naturally drop to your knees.
>>140163More randori, but if you go to the gym, do your cardio on the rowing machine.
who are some of your favourite lesser known judoka?I've always loved Muneta, that hiza guruma he had was phenomenal.
What was the best era of Judo rules? People seem to think pretty highly of the mid-late 90s.
>>140223Yeah, judo was pretty based in the 1890s.
What are good lifting programs that compliment judo? would the big four work? ohp, squats, deads, bench?
>>140223Anything pre leg grab ban and pre those stupid grip semibans
>>140237Bench, deadlift into high pulls, power cleans into front squats 3 times a week with some grip workouts thrown in at the end, for cardio i suggest hiit hill sprinting for at least 25 minutes on off days
>>140237Cleans and or snatches, doubles every minute on the minute for 12 minutes
>>140277>doubles every minute on the minute for 12 minutesWhat's that?
>>140278get an app that beeps at you every minute for x amount of time. on the beeps do two lifts back to back. the time in between the beeps are rest, you can shadow wrestling for example.
being a 26 y.o. bjj fanatic, am I too much of an oldfag to start judo?
>>140294judo is for overweight and underexercised mid 20s to 30s men who experience a mid-life crisis, like me!
>>140294You've already started judo, go learn the rest of it.
>>140145I'm in the US. Just happen to live within driving distance of one of the few shuai jiao clubs here.
>>140329Neat. Is there a regulatory body for that in the US or is it just a handful of unaffiliated clubs? I've been wanting to check out shuai jiao because I'm likely going to end up spending time in China within the next several years but I haven't really looked into the domestic scene yet.
>>140331>Is there a regulatory body for that in the US or is it just a handful of unaffiliated clubs?There's the United States Shuai-Chiao Associationhttps://www.shuaijiao.org/The scene is small in the US, but there's enough people for there to be semi-regular competition. Nationals is next month.
>>140338How different is it from judo? None of the schools on that website are close to me but if there's enough crossover it could be cool to make the several-hour drive every now and then and go to competitions. >semi-regular competitionThe website you linked shows about one competition a year. Is that the semi-regular competition or is there another place to find out about events?
>>140355>None of the schools on that website are close to meThere's a couple that aren't on the website, but yeah there's not a ton of schools.>How different is it from judo?There's a fair amount of crossover in terms of technique and general grappling principles, but it's different enough to where you can't call just call it Chinese judo.The ruleset is similar to sumo or mongolian wrestling where a score happens when anything other than the soles of your feet touches the ground. Because of this, there are few sacrifice or drop throws and you're encouraged to throw someone while staying on your feet. Leg attacks are legal (though not as high percentage due to the ruleset) and there are minimal gripping restrictions. Jackets are short sleeve which opens up to some different gripping variations that you don't normally see in judo or sambo. Because there's no instant win like ippon, you're encouraged to throw quickly off the grips to rack up a points lead (or to catch up if you're behind). You also get points for ringouts kinda like sumo, so it really builds your ring awareness.>or is there another place to find out about events?From the website, the Facebook page, and the schools themselves. There's usually a few comps a year. Covid killed them for awhile and they've only recently started back up again.
>>140364Are there subs or pins?
>>140440>Are there subs or pins?>a score happens when anything other than the soles of your feet touches the groundYou compete in the special needs division don't you?