Itt we talk about boxing techniques, ask questions about boxing techniques and share boxing tips.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=koQh_j3fq4sI've recently found this video and I have a question. Should we really be so desperate to hit the jaw? After all, you can also land your hook on the temple.Also, where to land straight punches in self defence? Jaw is the most obvious target in a ring but I'm nowhere near as strong as pro boxers (yet) and I think I can do some damage to nose and incisors with less power than to jaw.
>desperateNot for any target. It's fine to have a handle of what you're better at, or if you happen to have knowledge of another boxer's tendencies. But don't pass over perfectly viable body shots, especially if you're not exactly facing a genius baiter. In the same fashion, if he's tired or just doesn't hold a high guard, thwack thwack bye bye birdy.
How do I uppercut a heavy bag?
>>135565your punching arc should be angled away from you
>>135566but so far I only make good contact if I step in and hit the bag at the bottom of the arc like a dick shot?
>>135568aim for the solar plexus (or where it would be) on the bag and don't step into it: against a person, if it misses the chest, it arcs straight to the chin
>>135565In addition to what the other anon said, there are uppercut specific bags. One is sort of chalice shaped, that hangs like any other bag. The other is the same shape as a normal bag, but hung sideways, with straps on either end. A wrecking ball style bag is also good for uppercuts, but not necessarily designed specifically for them.
>>135327>Should we really be so desperate to hit the jaw? After all, you can also land your hook on the temple.Somebody's jaw will break before you punch a hole in someone's head. So yes
Got a swimming pool installed in our backyard. How can I work this into my boxing training?Is is practical or even possible to make progress with with shadow boxing/footwork drill in water? Should I just do plyometrics and swimming for basic conditioning instead?
>arcade has a punching force measurer thing>been boxing for six months>friend does MT>other friend is a manlet 1/3 my weight>mfw I get the lowest of them both (500, they both got 600 and 700 respectively)>mfw im a punchlet
>>135589strap weights to your feat (not to the point were you cant get them off easily)then just start shadow boxing the drag of the water will give your muscles more of a memory force
>>135719You know those are fake right? The number is only slighty raised with each punch to lure drunk idiots into paying more with "hey I can hit harder than that, i wasnt using my full strength"
>>139296Yeah, arcade ticket machines are often rigged as fuck. So don't feel bad. I was watching this the other day, you can even see later in the video where he shows the owner's manual explaining how it limits jackpots. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXBfwgwT1nQEven if the punching machine isn't outright rigged, it's definitely not an accurate measurement of punching power.
>>139304>>139296Many of them also score by how long you wait to hit it after it drops. The longer you take, the worse it is. Bar I bounced at had one we'd set to free play after hours, didn't take long to figure out how to "hack" a good score.
I do Muay Thai. How the fuck do I get rid of bad habits like lowering hands, flinching and overthinking? I've been doing it for about a year now, and made some improvements but fuck.
>>135719Boxing technique hasn't been optimized for power since the 40s or so. You can thank the influence of amateur boxing for that.
>>139367>flinching and overthinkingStop being an incel, simple as. Take the plunge and trust your instincts.
when it comes to check hooks, do you guys typically step first and then throw the hook/pivot, OR do you step as you throw the hook then pivot the rear leg after? im trying to learn both but the 2nd style is less natural to mealso favorite ways to land the rear hook? I like to set it up by jabbing as i step my right leg out and forward, kind of almost putting me in a southpaw position where i throw my right hook and pivot back toward my left foot back into orthodox
>>139380can you elaborate on this a bit? its more optimized for speed and defense nowadays right? does this have to do with the way they score amateur matches? what does this look like in terms of differences in actual punching technique?
>>139367if youre too scared and nervous to control your body while sparring, you may be sparring too hard for your level. take it down to light technical sparring, eliminate the fear, and consciously focus on keeping your hands up and not flinching
for hooks to the body, do you guys like more of a traditional hook where the head moves over the opposite foot, or do you like more of a shovel style body hook thats more like an uppercut with the head going to the same side?
>>139571Determined by opponent. Reach, height, etc. Very generally, trad on the outside, shovel inside. But those are far from hard rules.
>>139565I like the second check hook style you described better, but its important to know both. I'm usually the one coming forward anyway so don't have much opportunity to throw it.I wouldn't go full southpaw like that, but squaring up a little is fine. If you're at long range like that really you just shouldn't be throwing the rear hook. I only tend to throw it in combo, maybe I'd take a potshot to the body if they're in high guard, often off a jab.>>139568Good advice. It's incredible how much faster you gas if you spar when you're not relaxed, but almost everything else suffers too. >>139367Do a pure defensive sparring drill where you're just blocking and trying to hold your ground, obviously tell your opponent to go light since if you can't hit back they can get away with a lot. Ideally they're still thinking about defending themselves during the drill, you can throw feints if you see openings to remind them.>>139571Yeah it depends. A big strength of the hook is you can redirect it in the moment, making it look like you're going for the head then hitting the body or vice versa is cash.
>>139565Wait why would you move your rear leg after, let alone pivot on it?
>>135565depends. I see some pros just miss the bag completely on purpose while other guys angle the upper in a way that makes contact either early on (looking like a shovel hook) or a little later (going diagonally up). Other than that, getting a dedicated "uppercut friendly" bag or lifting up a smaller bag higher until the bottom is around where you want your opponent's chin to be.
>>139367if you have money, get a better coach and learn to listen to them/follow directions better. if you're poor, learn to listen/follow directions better and watch stuff online. and spar with people who are below, equal to, or above your level as regularly as you can. dedicate each sparring sesh to one specific goal and try to put it all together over time.
>>135327fury licking the blood off of wilder was wild btw. i want to see more weird ass gypsy king shenanigans
Hey guys, really fucking new to this.getting my first kit, ordering 16oz velcro gloves, and RDX inners.Is this fine for a beginner's "jack of all trades" glove, or do I need specialisation sooner?Also, what other kit do I need? My gym has all the pads and bags in the world.
im brand new, i just had my first bag session, my knuckles were fucked and were about to bleed so I went to the equipment desk and bought wraps and gloves (uni rec center with heavy bags room). How do I practice, I was just doing left and right jabs to the bag the entire time. I dont even know where to go for info on how to train properly. Also I lift a lot and my shoulders were aboslutely on fire
>>140225The only place I can recc is youtube "boxing drills".Repeat and iterate drills over and over.
>>139367Sounds Iike you need to do more sparring and defensive drills
>>140225So you went hard on the bag without any gloves or wraps like a retarded newfag and hurt your hands. Dont do this. The good news is that your bones and skin will toughen up over time with diligent practice. Tempted to go into other training methods of hand toughening but i think you should just stick to proper training
coach says I'm too polite to people in sparring, wtf does that even mean? ofc I am, I'm not trying to knock their head off?
>>140627He's telling you to stop being such a pussy in a nice way
Is Peek-a-boo a meme style or worth learning?
>>140667At the very worst, you'll get a better appreciation of angles and movement. Probably output management too, since it requires better conditioning. Fwiw, it's probably the best style for real world "extra curricular" work.
>>140667The biggest problem is finding a legitimate fighting coach to teach you but its not a "meme"
Does anyone have a good conditioning workout for if you're out of shape
>ex powerlifter>to generate power, heels flat, body square, full control and stability>try boxing>to generate power you need to have bent knees, hips, heels, and be on toes>never be square, always twisting>coach tells me to "relax" by standing on toes with bent kneesYou people fucking believe this shit?
>>140756You're gonna fall over from over committing inside of 2 rounds. Either from your own stupidity, or getting punished.
>>140768>cross>not overcommitting>coach tells me to twist/rotate more>more>legs squished, facing away and off balance>"there, perfect"if anything, i'd be under-committing by not twisting, and I won't be working as hard for pointlessly standing on tense/moving legs.
>>140847>arm punchingPunishment, then
>>140756>>140847You sound genuinely retarded anon. If you don't want to learn boxing then just don't
>>140853>>arm punchingkicking*>>140885I don't want to call BS, (like i do to shitty martial arts teachers), I am trying more to point-out where I am not understanding something. Can you explain it to be please.
>>140900I can't really help you online. If you are are really trying and struggling my advice is to just to keep an open mind and practice as instructed. Also try asking some of the other boxers at the gym
>>140847If your legs are squished and making you unbalanced your feet may be too close together. Checkout this guys video as he explains the spacing of your feet fairly well. https://youtu.be/zhWfajP4EVUAnother problem could be your weight distribution when punching. Your weight should generally be transferred to the opposite foot of your punch. Throwing a right, weight on your left and vice versa
>>140982Noted, this guy makes some helpful videos, especially his equipment vid.>Your weight should generally be transferred to the opposite foot of your punch. Throwing a right, weight on your left and vice versaThis is helpful to know, thank you.
>>140900Boxing and combat sports in general are about using rotational momentum to generate power for multiple strikes that have to flow together, as well as vary depending on your opponent's timing and speed. Powerlifting is just one repeated movement using absolute strength. Its the complete oppositeAlso post form cunt
How do you actually fight someone bigger than you in a streetfight?I used to get into little play fights with my buddy and hes bigger like fat and a little taller. His punches are naturally stronger. We werent trying to kill each other. But just taking his punches to my bones really fucking kinda hurt a bit. I cant imagine if he was actually trying. Also he has zero fight experience street or gym.I had been doing boxing about a year.Like in the ring sparring is one thing, both people are wearing gloves, and ive taken and given some clean powerful punches to the body and face. But its just not the same. Ive never been in a streetfight. You can say oh just be faster than the bigger guy and dont get hit.. but is that really all? They can absorb more punches, also I feel like it actually hurts a bit more to punch them wout gloves because theyre denser.
>>141122How are you built?I'm the smallest of my friends. We like to "fight" but it goes: me gloved up, missing all headshots on purpose, while they just let lose on me. The skill gap is big enough to make it fairly safe for both of us.>But just taking his punches to my bones really fucking kinda hurt a bit.It's normal, never thought about it but I guess fat people won't experience this as much with all the cushioning. This is supposed to stop however, look up many eastern martial arts, they do special training to strengthen the bones on their fists, shins, and forearms. Some people might pull "studies say that's bad for you" but like, you want to fight for real you gotta do it. Since I'm used to my friends hitting me bare-handed I don't fell pain in my forearms anymore. No health issues to speak of. I think as long as you don't overdo it it won't become a problem in the long run.>it actually hurts a bit more to punch them wout glovesNaturally, you want to punch without gloves you have to strengthen your knuckles.>They can absorb more punchesWhile true, that tends to be overstated. There's no fat protecting your head, nose or teeth, and unless we're talking 600-pound-life level obesity, there won't be much protecting the shins either, a kick to the shin of someone that doesn't kickbox will hurt like hell. And to be honest, most fat guys I know are wusses when it comes to pain. I think that depends more on the person. From four of my friends, two that weighted just over 90kg couldn't take a punch from even my stick friend. Said stick friend however, and another fat friend that used to be around 85kg, can take a lot of punishment. 85 can take a whole lot, stick friend can get hurt easily but has high pain tolerance.
>>141122>>141146>You can say oh just be faster than the bigger guy and dont get hit.. but is that really allIt's not really speed as it is skill. The strongest of my friends is a couple inches taller and about 25kg heavier than me currently. Not too fat anymore, he lost some and then replaced it with muscle. He can punch really hard, but they're all haymakers I'll see coming from a mile away, I had no trouble evading even back when my head movement sucked. He also doesn't put his guard up, even my slender friend whose entire martial art experience is sparring with me mentioned how ridiculously easy it is to land a clean hit on him. Grappling him is a bad idea.>How do you actually fight someone bigger than you in a streetfight?The problem with asking about streetfights is that you don't know how your opponent is gonna be.In a pro fight, the skill gap between fighters will never be too big, so weight will matter a lot. Also, everyone there is a fighter prepared to get hurt.When talking about untrained people there's so many variables, size is really not the most important.Toughness and "natural style" is what I'd say matters the most.Toughness, as in how much punishment someone can take, from my experience doesn't increase with fat alone, but muscle+fat will help a lot. However no matter how much mass you have, your nose and teeth will still break just as easily as anyone else's so never think you're invulnerable.By "natural style" I basically mean how well does the person fight without training. It varies A LOT believe me. I sparred loads of people without training and they were all completely different. Like I said the strongest of my friends loses his advantage by telegraphing his punches and never protecting his head. Another friend has a style that might resemble a boxing one but with a some problems like not tucking the elbows, the punches aren't telegraphed but they still aren't the strikes of someone that knows what he's doing. cont
>>141148So, if my friend who's really strong happened to have the same natural way of fighting as my other friend, it would be a really bad idea to fight him.To wrap this up:>You can't predict how well someone can get hit, fat people are a coin flip, however muscular or builtfat are likely to be tough>Some people naturally fight better than others. I don't know about your friend but if you've done boxing for a year and still get hit he probably doesn't telegraph his strikes. Or you maybe suck, work on your head movement, one year isn't much but with two or three of serious training you should be able to easily evade punches from any person without training.>You don't need, and really shouldn't, slug it out with someone who might be stronger than you. If you're agile enough you can drag the fight untl they're tired and then it will be really easy to beat them after it. And the bigger someone is, the faster they'll be out of breath. Just probe them with jabs, never lean in, dodge everything which you should eventually be able to do with ease. Then attack vulnerable areas like nose, teeth, temple, shins if you can kick. 12-6 elbow to the back of the head if they bend and shell up. Might go to jail for murder if you do that.>Don't grapple people bigger than you.I guess that's it, sorry for the wall of text. Remember there's also the chance of meeting someone who actually knows how to fight in a streetfight, so watch out and be safe out there anon.
>>135565You don't, that's why boxing bags used to look like pic related before the 1920s.
>>139566Ammys wear big gloves where knockouts won't usually happen so they concentrate on combos and flurries to win by points. This rubbed off on pro boxing, so you now have all these guys peppering each other on their double guard while standing still. Back in the day, boxing was about power punching and quick footwork. Just look at matches from the 20s and 30s. It was basically a wholly different fighting style.
>>140627>I'm not trying to knock their head off?Why not?
>>140756>Powerlifting>Slow grinding strength>Boxing>Fast explosive strengthAnd now you know why weight training was frowned upon in boxing until recently. Two different kinds of strength which don't mix.If you want to weight train, train like track and field guys, throwers, decathletes, sprinters, with lots of explosive movements, throwing, jumping etc.
>>140847>off balanceThat is a good thing. You will never generate power if you stay balanced. You want to throw yourself at your opponent, that's how you get your body behind your punch.
>>140900You simply fell for the memes.>Never lose your balance>There is only one kind of strength>Be cool, stoic and collected in fightingAll of those are wrong.
>>141122Dirty fighting is your only option.
>>141169I am not saying those things, those are just carry-overs from powerlifting.
>>141166it's rude, we're only sparring :/
>doing defensive drills with coach, hit and move>he starts philly shelling when I get too flat footed
>>141169>>Be cool, stoic and collected in fighting>All of those are wrong.This one isn't wrong, but beginners need to get over their anxiety about punching and getting punched. You WILL hurt people in combat sports, that is the name of the game.
19 years old recently started muay thai im trying to work on getting better straight punches and better boxing technique overallhow to improvehttps://youtu.be/pEim3qBWuw8 [Embed] [Embed]
>>141358Go to a gym, get a couch, spar. Or get a buddy if you're poor, though doesn't look like it from that garage.For your shadow boxing put the bag in the middle and circle it a bit more, you're just moving back and forth. Do rounds of just footwork, just jabbing, just 1-2s, etc. Stay on your toes more, move your head more, twist more.
>>141358I see you brother, first thing I noticed is you gotta get off those heels. stay on your toes seriously, at least always be on your front toe, but both is ideal. you do this to help you bounce more, the more you bounce the easier its gonna be to move around, pop your punches, take hits, and the more your head is naturally gonna move and you want your head to always be moving, never keep it in the same spot I learned that the hard way. also loosen up in general bro shadow boxing, and all combat is felt in the flow. when you loosen up you'll be faster and smoother. keep working man, just stay on your toes and move that head around more. also spar. the only way you are gonna get good at fighting is by often and consistently sparring. Godspeed!
>>141358You're not turning your fist over enough. You're basically just twisting your body without corkscrewing your arm for maximum reach and power. You need the corkscrew
>>140225>>139980So many newfags need to read Jack Dempsey's Championship Fighting. It's still the best, most in depth boxing tutorial ever written.
>join new gym after not training for a year>tell coach I want at least 4 months to train before I fight (amateur)>he doesn't like this, says ill be ready in 1 month>tell me he lined me up a fight 2 weeks into training>coach hasn't even let me spare yet>I can't turn down a challenge so spitefully agree>2 weeks till fight, just getting used to training regularly again, slowly improving skills and fitness>finally sparring but feel out of shape, heavy breathing and pissing sweat, punches not crisp>take straight rights to the body and eventually feel pain>go home still hurting like there's a cramp in my ribs>intercostal muscles of ribs strained or minor tear>recovery time looks like 6-12 weeks>can't throw punches, lift weights and struggle rolling over and sitting up>haven't gone back to gym in 4 days and haven't contacted coachI know he'll make me fight so I'm not going back till I'm at least able to punch without rib pain. Coach was even talking me into being fine with losing and getting knocked out for some reason before this happened. Why are some trainers like this? Why rush people into the ring when they're not ready or conditioned to have a decent chance at victory? He says the first fight doesn't matter because I'll be nervous anyway so cardio doesn't matter but I'm soft from being a lay about and need time to harden up. All the world loves a winner. Nobody has time for a loser. Got to do what's best for me and train by myself till injury heals outside the gym. Fuck peer pressure.
>>141165Do you think this style is more effective for real life and if so how do you train it?
>>141577Jack Dempsey talks about this very same problem. He doesn't blame amateur boxing, he blames know nothing trainer's that are trying to make money off pro boxing without knowing how to actually train fighters. Then these half baked fighters eventually become the trainers themselves and pass down bad punching techniques.Read the book. It's short and easy read with pictures.>>141572
>>141575>>tell me he lined me up a fight 2 weeks into trainingSo what? Just don't go to the fight, then? Can't you stand up for yourself? Is this guy your officer?
>>141575>Why are some trainers like this?9/10 its becuase your coach is an unscrupulous grifter that had lined you up as a can to be crushed by a fighter he's invested in who he is probably training as his "main guy"Even as an experienced fighter I was taken in once so don't feel bad but avoid this guy
>>141580I will never read this book, but I know what you're talking about. The most memorable fighters with big draws are the ones who'll knock your block off instead of pitterpattering
what are innercity working class boxing gym like? would I get actually worthwhile instruction as a 24 year old twink having no full-contact combat sports experience with the view of getting to the point of being able to take part in amateur fights?Obviously I accept that any fights I do will probably just be giving easy wins to bussin zoomers half a decade my junior.
>>140756lmao this nigga really wants to box with his heels on the ground
>>141122you dominate them. in any fight, you must dominate and control your opponent. It doesn't change if they're bigger, you just need to be more wary of them grappling you.
>>141358Every time you do a jab you do this weird thing with your arm first. It is a dead giveaway. You need to be able to throw from any position, not picking a set starting point every time. Also, your stance is too bladed, you're standing far too upright, and you're too flat footed. Bend over loosen up stand on the balls of your feet, practice ducking, don't stand high like that.
>>141575He probably just wants to see if you're worth training or not. It will only become apparent in your first fight.
>>142163yes, it just make sense for a beginner to me
How to check if my punches have enough power to knock someone out without knocking someone out?
>>142418Visit your local arcade.
>>143246Not the guy but I usually get the highest scoreWhen I don’t I’m just below guys far heavier than me doing crazy wind up runs while I just send a straight or a hookDo I have a chance at being a hard puncher ?
Is spending the beginning of the fight on punching opponent's nose to disable him by pain and deteriorated eyesight a good strategy?
>>143623Being a one trick pony works great, right up until it doesn't. Especially if it's on film.
>>143623If you can land the blows, of course
>>141168>>141169>>141181Me again, been doing a few weeks now, and I am getting better at using my body for momentum.But one thing I still fucking can't grasp is when my coach says to relax.>relax, stay loose, be soft and bendy>also, stand on your toes, with bent knees, ideally always movingI am trying to keep an open mind for this, but I just cannot comprehend what on earth kind of double think he is saying here.
>>135327I have more than 10years fihgting and I believe this is the best way >learn jab + cross properly>learn how to parry jabs >learn basic head movement >timing over speed>precision over power Then just light spar 2 a week at least In no time you'll be good and once you are actualy good you'll know how to improve further With the basics only you can destroy 90% of fighters desu
>>144241to move properly you need to be relaxed, when you're tense you can't dodge, you can't move around, you can't throw punchs without telegraphing and you also lose speed fighting is not about making use of force, it is about moving yourself properly and efficiently look at how loose this mother fucker is
>>144339But that's literally not how muscles work.Can you explain it in a different way?You cannot physically have relaxed muscles while they are activated and taking your bodyweight. It's not a mindset or anything, it's inarguably how muscles function.I am trying to understand here, can you use a different expression?
>>144369Yes it does absolute sense, you're just beeing retarded and trying on puurpose to not understand you need to be relaxed then make a sudden move, you don't need to commit with 100% of your strenth this will make everything you do very bad fighters usualy go for 70% strenth so they can keep good technique and speedlook at how loose he is even when punching, it is about timing and precision not making use of force like I said If you can't understand that than just kys or give up you're too dumb to fight ngl
>>144369when you're stiff like this you can't move properly, you can't think properly, you can't hit properly, you can't even breathe properly
>>144413Damn son, I think you'd convince him better if you weren't using Mr Gameandwatch to make a point
Are there good non retard books/channels about fundamental concepts, not specifics, of boxing? Stuff like Marvin Cook.
>>144369You initiate the strike via momentary contraction and immediately relax then tense whole body upon impact.
>>145238ooooh, you're meant to make contact unclenched?
>>145248You make contact tensed but you're relaxed while the strike is traveling.
>>145237no there is no such thing as learning how to fight and proper technique reading, this is the most dumb thing you could ever do just ask your teacher the basics and he will teach you then you practice there is no big secret
If I have longer range, should I approach the opponent just enough close to land straight punches or overhand, throw a short combination, step back and then approach again at different angle and throw a different short combination?
>>145307>Longer rangeOf course I mean longer arm reach
>>145294>just rely on some random guy to communicate every detail to you without paying any regard to miscommunication and do not attempt to seek outside knowledgeOk retard
>>144369Have you literally never done any sport in your life? Because this is exactly what you sound likeYou use the absolute minimum amount of contraction to keep your limbs in a stance or position. You don't just clench up and use your muscles 0 or 100%. Do you have to manually walk?
Is lead overhand a thing?
>>148002Yes, but it's almost never going to be used without movement. Baited on a retreat, or like a 45 cut when getting passed someone just holding their guard, etc. So it might not look like an overhand. You'll see it more often and obvious in something like Thai boxing, or boxing applied to MMA where they won't necessarily be wanting to high guard.
anyone training Savate ?I feel like trying it out
>>135719Read Jack Dempsey's book if you want to punch like a Man.