/sg/ - Ski General
>>126786Going skiing for the first time in a long time this yearGetting a helmet, is this any good?https://www.smithoptics.com/en_US/p/helmet/mission-mens-snow-helmet/MISSION-HELMET.html
>>126813If it fits you, sure. Go to a ski shop and try some on. Anything by the major brands (Smith, Giro, Oakley, a few others) will be good but different helmets fit different heads better.
10 inches overnight. Let's go, boys.
>>126813Should be fine as long as it fits. Definitely get one of the MIPS ones though. They're a bit pricier but it's worth it.
>>126813No helmets unless ur going invertedHurt my head more in the park with a helmet than without to be quite honest...
Fellas, I'm leaving to south lake tahoe tomorrow and I'll be skiing at Heavenly for the week. I'm really excited to ski again, I haven't gone in years so I hope I'm still decent at it.
>>127848Good luck man. I’m going to squaw in early March. Never skiied Tahoe so I’m excited
Snowboarding is better
>>127902Nice mate. I'm planning to go to Squaw this winter/spring for the first time too. Going to finally get a chance to hit Schmidiots which has been on my list for a decade. Did you get an Ikon pass?
One of my favorite lines at Snowbird (few years ago)
How hard is cross-country skiing? It seems like a good way to get around, how much distance should I expect to be able to do as a beginner?Not done any skiing before but lots of winter stuff
i wish to drop lsd and ski again this winter, maybe backcountry up to top of my local mountain and gaze into the sunset
>>127902>>127938I just came back. I ended up buying a whole new kit there. I'm fucking broke now. It was a ton of fun but we cut our trip short because the mountain was closed today due to lightning so we just left and came back a day early.I got fitted for new boots and only got to use them for one shitty run down a bunny slope before they shut down all the lifts and told us to get inside while they evaluate the situation. I had to relearn how to ski since my skills went to shit and I couldn't use my ancient alpine skis. I picked up a pair of new Rossignol Experience 80 Carbon skis for $285 since they're from last season and they're so great. I'm looking forward to going back and making it a yearly thing again. I think I'll have to get a heated boot bag if I make a day trip out of it. The boots I bought(Atomic Prime 120 S GW) are impossible to get into when cold so I used the hairdryer from my hotel room to warm them up.Fuck the drives in and out of South Lake Tahoe. My car did great but the delays were ridiculous. It took me 6 hours to get back home to SF Bay.
Can someone recommend me some skis6' & 165lbsSki occasionally in Europe and ScotlandIntermediate skierWant something that's good on piste but can do a bit of off piste and cope with icy runs and chopped up snow at the end of the day. Can get good deals with Armada, Salomon and Atomic so only looking at thoseThinking:Salomon Stance 84Salomon QST 92Atomic Maverick 86CArmada Declivity 88CIs it best to get something with a metal layer like Stance 84 for stability on the groomers, or is a softer ski best for turns?Thanks.
>>129408I only know what skis work for me so I can't really advice specifics, but on soft vs metal, I think it comes down to preference. I charge hard as fuck yet I prefer soft skis even though a lot of people would probably say a hard charger would want stiff skis. Best thing you can do is demo some and see what you like.
>>129408I got Black Crows Ova and they are really good for anything except super heavy skiing in mountains and huge drops.
>>126786What are the good spots east of the Mississippi for ski/snowboard? Any that aren't stupid expensive?
any NC fags here? Planning a trip in the next couple of weeks to try skiing/snowboarding for the first time but some of the ski resorts seem like they'd be stupid crowded. Any NC resorts that aren't like that?
>>130016>good skiing>east of the Mississippilol>>130135Go on a weekday morning, and not during Christmas break. You'll be pretty much the only one there regardless of which resort you go to.
>>130016Smoky mountains have a resort (Ober-Gatlinburg). I never went because the elevation in the Appalachian mountains are not high enough for me. Too many bunny slopes and not enough good runs to warrant going.My goto is usually the Sierra Nevada but I also heard that the Rockies were great skiing.
>>130162>Go on a weekday morning, and not during Christmas breakthanks brah. I can probably swing a weekday morning but doubtful about going after Christmas break. My brother is back in town for Christmas and I wanted him to go with me.
Has anyone here did ski marathon\long distance race?What was it like spiritually?
>>127924No one cares about your nigger larp sport
>>129408>Salomon's flagship line QST suffer from delamination issues>Atomic still having shit build quality for all models except the bent chetler (which you shouldn't get for what you're wanting to do)Just based on brand, Armada has the best skis between those 3
>>130364Ive never heard anyone complain of delaminating QSTs.
>>126786Alright /xs/, this will probably be one of the most batshit crazy posts ever, I don't really give a fuck. Appears there are enough NC/Southern fags lurking around here to make this post worth it. I really have no idea where else to post this on the internet, backcountry skiing is already niche and doing so south of the mason dixon might be downright stupid.I've been fascinated with the idea of backcountry skiing after learning about it last year while out in CO. Now as a fag living in WNC, clearly I didn't think this was a thing here until stumbling deep in the rabbit hole last week. Decade old videos on Youtube and random forum posts confirmed that some people have tried to backcountry skiing here. Information on this is scare, but it seems when the right storm rolls around, it is most definitely possible.Not exactly sure why I'm posting this, maybe its a cry for help, maybe there is another dipshit out there that wants to try this with me. Maybe someone else out here has tried this before and could point me the right way. Seems like there is just enough info out there to point to the possibility that I could make this work.
>>130538Scouting out potential areas. Obviously the south does not have a great climate for backcountry. Locations have to be high elevation (relative to the east) and mowed/bald summits since getting enough snow to fill in any wooded areas would be rare.Possible locationsBearwallow mountain (elevation 4200) - The weakest location here but most accessible by far. Been up here in the summer a few times, easy to reach, summit has been cleared and mowed, would only require IMO a half foot of snow to ski. Weak points here are the low elevation, runs would be fairly short, western facing slope and any good snowfall would only be around for a short window.Max Patch (elevation 4600) - Seems based on digging around that MP might already see some action from skiers. Little bit higher and further north than Bearwallow, would help with conditions since 4,000 feet appears to be the lowest elevation for winter weather. I've yet to make my way up here but it seems like it could be one of the most promising areas.Roan Mountain (elevation 6300) - High enough elevation to actually support a winter climate, one of the snowiest places in NC. Another bald with a summit that shouldn't require too much snow to ski. Again, haven't been here before so I don't know about the difficulty of reaching this peak in the winter.Mt Mitchell (elevation 6600) - Bit of a wild card here. I've heard before that once upon a time they wanted to chop up the summit and put a ski resort here. I suspect that clear cutting an endangered ecosystem will probably not get past the ecoterrorists nowadays. Not sure about the possibility of downhill here since the forest is so dense but serious relief on this mountain, could be a decent place with a good telemark setup.
>>126813>>127139I've got one of the MIPS version its solid. The ear flaps just pull down to remove and expose the pouch to slide in audio chips which wasn't mentioned in the instructions FYI.
>>130538>>130539You could try contacting whoever posted the videos or commenting on them asking for more info. Maybe ask around ski shops and ski clubs. Hell even ski patrollers at your local ski hill.I’m in the Rockies but generally speaking my tour planning consists of checking avalanche conditions and filtering potential terrain based on that. I imagine there’s little to no avalanche risk, maybe contact the American Avalanche Institute and pick their brain. I think they’d be happy to nerd out on that. Instead of filtering based on avy/aspect/slope angle you could use the same tools for finding potential areas. Contour maps, CalTopo (online mapping), sentinel hub playground (recent satellite imagery: useful for checking if a place has snow). Also you may need less snow that you’d expect, but that depends on how much you want to avoid any ski damage.
I last skied over a decade ago and my gf has never skied. Is it worth taking her on some dry slopes/indoor slopes to learn or just go straight to skiing lessons on a mountain?
>>130910lol why the fuck would you do that?Where do you live?
>>130911UK. I have to fly to ski.
Could you guys help me decide which skis to get?Ski in the Alps, need good all mountain skis, advanced skier. I want something that can go really fast and have great stability on piste but can also feel comfortable in mixed off piste terrain like trees etc. Preferably something that can perform reasonably well in bad snow conditions and crud. Something a little playful maybe. Not expecting too much deep powderCurrently looking at:K2 Mindbender 89 Ti (or 90 ti from 2021)Faction Dictator 2.0Armada Declivity 92 tiVolkl m6 mantra maybe too but it's a bit pricey.Any tips?
Went skiiing for the first time, no clue how people control their speed on anything beyond 30 degree inclination. Also everything about this sucks ass except from the actual skiing and lodge food (which cost way too fucking much). You spend a ton of money to be around around stuck up rich fucks and entitled children, waiting in line for 5-10 minutes of fun. Maybe other places are better but skiing seems to attract the absolute worst kind of people.
>>130959Iktfb. I encountered so many vindictive fucks, even as a kid if I bumped into someone, even if it was their fault (let me just cut across a busy piste without looking behind me) they would come back and bump into me on purpose.
>>130958I know the K2 for being a little more off-piste oriented, but I’d say you’re fine with either pair you choose. If you’re thinking of buying Faction, maybe try looking up the most recent Mana and Dancer series, which I think would fit your needs better (especially the Dancer). Also, go look in the “Outlet” part of their shop. It’s usually cheaper
>>130538fellow piedmont triad NC fag here and yeah that sounds fun and I think it'd be cool to try if I was more experienced. Wanted to try skiing the first time this weekend around Banner Elk but the weather didn't cooperate. I don't even know where you'd go backcountry skiing in NC, maybe around some public game lands or state/national parks? If not you'd be running into private property issues. Plus like other anons have said the woods can get so dense here and the snow can be sparse.Yeah I know, incredibly unhelpful post, but just letting you know, you have anons out here.
>>130958Judging by the first 90% of your postMantras could be a good option but then you said you want playful in which case lolno to Mantras, or anything with a metal core.My K2s (Obsetheds and Extremes) are fairly playful. I havent ridden Factions or Armadas but given their reputation they may be good. I would also recommend looking into Moment and Line.I have never skied in Europe and snow/terrain is different here so bear that in mind when taking advice from me. I know what skis work for me but I am not an expert on what skis work best for others so dont put too much weight on my post
I'm 6' 185 and mostly skied groomers but want to move to going off-piste, not full backcountry though. I like going fast, small jumps (would like to go bigger), tight turns, and drops/steep.Questions:>Am I retarded for wanting to get twin tips if I don't really ski park. I really like the flexibility of them and want to ski switch more, but don't know if I want to be trading off reduced edge>I'm coming from ~80mm width skis, my range so far has been 95-108mm, wondering if I should pick up >100s despite it being so much wider than what I'm used to>How much does hardness matter? Most of the skis I'm looking at are 8-9 which is hard as fuck I guess but does that mean it's going to be a pain to ride unless I'm bombing 24/7? Would still like to carve with friends & family on groomers occasionally.pic related are some Armada ARVs i'm looking at.
>>131257>>Am I retarded for wanting to get twin tips if I don't really ski park. I really like the flexibility of them and want to ski switch more, but don't know if I want to be trading off reduced edgeNot at all. Many/most of the skis that fit your skiing style are twin tips.>>I'm coming from ~80mm width skis, my range so far has been 95-108mm, wondering if I should pick up >100s despite it being so much wider than what I'm used toAbsolutely. I would recommend a pair in the 115-120 range. You'll at minimum love them on pow days, but if you're like me (and get really into the gnarly terrain) you'll likely turn them into your everyday skis once you get used to them. Make sure to get something with a fair amount of rocker (but 100% rocker is not necessary; some camber underfoot can be great)>How much does hardness matter?I'm not sure what the number ratings i.e. "8-9" mean but it really comes down to personal preference. Personally, I charge hard as fuck but I prefer softer/more playful skis. I have been told that given my skiing style I should have something stiffer, perhaps with a metal core, and for some people that is what works, but for me I like softer skis. It really all comes down to preference and you should test out some skis of various styles, but imo stiffer skis are better for groomers and crud, whereas softer skis are better for the gnarly off-piste terrain (cliffs, chutes, etc) even if you're charging really hard. But that's just my opinion.I recommend looking into Moment Wildcats, I haven't personally ridden them but have done some research and am leaning towards them being my next pair when I have to replace my K2 Obsetheds (which are the best skis in the world, but they're a decade old and no longer made).
>>131257>>131276 contAs a kid I only skied on little midwest hills (all really shallow groomed runs, all that exists here). When I was around 18 or so (by which point I had been out west on ski trips a few times) I got my Obsetheds (117 underfoot, 50% rocker 50% camber). I took them out at a little midwest hill to try them out and since I had never been on anything wider than I think 85, and never been on rockers, I had to put in effort just to keep my skis parallel. It took a bit of getting used to. But after spending some time on them I got to love them so much and got so used to them that now I use them for everything, even icy days, carving groomers, etc, but of course my favorite type of skiing is chutes, cliffs, etc. I don't really ski in the midwest anymore, mostly just Utah.If you want to see the kind of skiing I do, here is one of my edits: https://vimeo.com/371051760No obligation to watch if you don't want to, but if you do want to see the kind of skiing I do it may give you some perspective on where my specific recommendations and preferences apply.
>>131257Also, where do you ski? That will have some impact,i.e. my recommendations in the above 2 posts favor western US skiing (Utah, Colorado, Washington, etc)Whereas someone on the East Coast or in Europe may want something a bit stiffer and narrower just due to the different type of terrain and snow in those areas
hit a rail this year. was good to conquer that fear, even though it was only a baby railthen i hit my ribs on it the same day, but would def try again!
>>131276>>131277Appreciate the reply bro, also nice skiing 3:15 was sick. I'm definitely considering widening out if the west keeps getting dumped on like lately, but 115 seems thicc as fuck. I'm mainly doing Oregon and California though I live in the midwest (pain). definitely getting twin tips now because I figure I can at least have fun at the park if I gotta ski at home, will probably go softer (idk the specifics of the grades either, it's just what I saw on evo) then. I'll add Moment to my list too. I know trying to find a do-everything ski is basically pointless but I don't have the budget nor reason for 3 different skis right now lol, hopefully in the near future.
How often do you guys change your skis?Every 10 years?Or is there no need if everything works fine?
>>131315I think if you want to discuss nordic (aka cross country) skiing you should start a thread for specifically that. I don't have a problem with xc skiing being discussed here and I doubt anyone else minds either, but I also think most people ITT are here to discuss downhill so you probably will have a hard time getting answers.
>>131323Thanks mate. 3:15 is Death Chute Center Line at Snowbird, definitely one of my favorite lines I've ever skied.Are you going to be keeping your old skis and just adding one new pair to your quiver, or intending for your new pair to be your only pair?If the former, I can definitely understand the hesitation to go that wide and that wide may not be the best option to start with, but my advice was more assuming the latter (that you'll keep your old skis) in which case I would still push for 115-118 or so and use those skis on the good condition days out west, especially since you're fairly tall and heavy, and just keep your old skis for the not so good days. Again it's all preference, but if you want to do a lot of off-piste in WA and CA, you'll love having the fatter skis for the gnarly terrain. The extra surface area will help absorb all the chop/crud and let you charge a lot harder through sketchy stuff, and they'll be a lot more floaty and fun in pow.
>>131366*OR and CAPretty much the same thing, lol>>131330I have two pairs of Obsetheds (one as backup), one I have had since like 2012 or 2013, other pair maybe 2014 or 2015, and those two pairs are pretty much all I ski on. Their edges are dull pretty much beyond saving so icy days are sketch but I love the skis too much to replace before I absolutely have to.I think the main reasons to replace skis would be:>you're a kid and get taller/heavier>you're a noob and get better and/or switch to different terrain preferences, or just learn more about what kind of skis you want>your skis have very extensive damage that can't be repaired or delt with>your skis have enough use that they have begun to lose their camber, aka flatten out/lose their shape (probably an issue with my Obsetheds but whatever, lol)>your skis are old enough to be outdated techRegarding the final point: Especially if you ski off-piste/gnarly terrain, you'll want somewhat modern skis.Meaning wide (110-120 underfoot) and lots of rocker. Older skis are 100% camber (no rocker). Shane McConkey (back around 2006 if I recall correctly) decided to mount alpine bindings on water skis and that's basically how rocker skis started if I have my history straight. But even a few years later, a lot of skis i.e. "all mountain twin tips" and park skis would still be 100% camber, but now those types of skis tend to have at least a little bit of rocker.If your skis have been made more recently than, I don't know, 2011? (I'm no ski history expert so don't quote me on dates) then they're probably pretty modern with their tech.If you're unsure then post your ski model/year here, or their specs or pictures, and I can try to give some input in that regard.
>>131330>>131368And I should add that my 110-120 underfood recommendation is specifically for expert skiers who like skiing gnar.If you're a more average skier, then 110-120 is still great for pow days, but something narrower and with a fair amount of camber (and therefore optionally older) will likely be your preference when its not a pow day.
>>130959Skill issueLuckily for you debbie Armstrong on jewtube can solve that
>>131330Whenever they break. As long as they're rideable I don't see a need to trade them out. Skis/bindings are expensive as all hell.
>>130959>Maybe other places are better but skiing seems to attract the absolute worst kind of people.You must have gone to some shithole resort like Vail
>>130351They're both fun
>>131369Non-native speaker here, what does “skiing gnar” mean?Btw, i feel like 110-120 is really wide if you’re used to much smaller (I read the original asker used ~80), especially if you still want to ski all-mountain
>>131453Skiing gnar means skiing on gnarly terrain. I.e. chutes, cliffs, cornices.Regarding width, the guy I was replying to in that post didn't say what width he is used to, he just asked when skis shoud be replaced, and my mention of width is due to the fact that pre-rocker skis are a lot narrower than a lot of modern skis, which is one reason to upgrade if someone has old narrow skis.The other guy I gave a similar recommendation to did say he is used to around 80mm, and my advice to him is partly based on the assumption that he will be able to keep his old skis for the bad condition days and use his new skis only on good condition days. My suggestion to him is also based on him saying that he wants to get into off-piste, drops (which I take to mean cliffs), steep (which I take to mean very steep off-piste terrain). That's the kind of stuff where wide skis are really nice to have. I jumped from 85 full camber to 117 50% rocker about a decade ago and the 117 rockers have become my everyday skis.But again it is all personal preference, and my preference is based significantly on the fact that I am always sticking to gnarly terrain (cliffs, chutes, etc). For someone who skis more mellow terrain I still think a pair that wide is good to have specifically for powder days, but a narrower pair for other days, whereas someone who is always skiing the gnarly terrain even on bad condition days, then they may be like me and want their fat skis every day.
>>131368>>131397Thanks, just curious about when people replace their skisThis is me btw>>130958I currently have Iron Maiden K2s from 2013. They're quite beat up and I just want something newer in general. Plus I dont spend much time at the snow park anymore so I wanted to get something more piste/freeride focused.Think I'll be getting either the K2 89ti or the Nordica enforcer 94.
Btw what kind of boot flex do you guys usually go for? I've been using atomic b90 (90 flex) for the past like 10 years. They're really worn out and uncomfortable and weren't that good to begin with desu, I feel like ski boots have come a long way since then. I'm a pretty good skier and like to go fast but I don't know if I need much stiffer boots. I weigh 78 kgs.
>>131484The Iron Maidens look like pretty nice skis. In your other post you said you want something playful, yet the skis you are mentioning are metal core which imo isn't "playful". Good for hard charging on piste for sure.And you also mentioned freeride, for which I would definitey want something wider, but I live in the US so my idea of freeride may be different than yours.If your intent is to charge hard on piste, then by all means those skis may be great options for you, especially since you ski in the alps and want to focus on bad conditions and crud rather than pow, but I would not consider them a playful freeride ski at all.Have you had a chance to try any out? A lot of shops (including shops right at the ski resort) will have high end skis available to demo, they just cost more than regular rentals. That way you can get an idea of if you like the skis enough to buy.>>131485With boots your best bet is go to a professional boot fitter. For everything else (skis, helmets, goggles,etc) ask online, try stuff on at the store, demo stuff, etc.But with boots you really want to go to a professional. And not just some chain store that has a "boot fitter".But rather an actual reputable professional boot fitter.If I recall correctly my boots are 120 flex but I think that how stiff a given number rating is will vary from brand to brand.
>>131494>If your intent is to charge hard on piste, then by all means those skis may be great options for you,Yeah like realistically that's gonna be 70-80% of what I do. Don't have much powder nowadays where I live so for that I'd have to do a little traveling. And honestly the K2s seem to do ok at pretty much everything despite the titanium inserts. I think they're an appropriate balance, especially considering what I'll realistically be doing given the snow conditions.>Have you had a chance to try any out?No not really, mostly going by reviews online (sites/youtube) like thishttps://www.outdoorgearlab.com/reviews/snow-sports/all-mountain-skis/k2-mindbender-90ti>With boots your best bet is go to a professional boot fitterThanks
Anyone have experience with the Movement fly 95 skis?Or the Movement go 90?
Blizzard Rustler 9 vs Mantra M6 vs terribly overpriced Dancers 2.0 vs Enforcer 94.What do I go with?
>>131705The mantra are pricier than the dancer, wdym terribly overpriced?If you’re looking to spare some money, the price difference between the blizzards and the rest won’t affect much, except maybe for durability. In that case, I’d trust Volkl or Nordica more than Faction, though I haven’t tested dancers myself
>>131709>The mantra are pricier than the dancer, wdym terribly overpriced?Oddly enough I am able to find the Mantras at a better discount than the Dancers 2.0. 506 euro with bindings for the Mantras vs 680 euro for the Faction w similar bindings The Blizzards are the cheapest at 450 euro. Price isn't that important I'm just not sure the Dancers are worth it if the Blizzards are pretty similar and more versatile if anything. I'm kinda leaning towards the Blizzards anyway, but the fact that they're a cheaper is giving me pause lol. Although there isn't a big difference between them and the Mantras in price here it seems
If you've learned in the 80's/90's and did well you'd ski with your knees and feet smacked together, but today all skis are silly wide at the tip. Isn't this a problem?Being an old fag I bought some all mountain skis 113, 85, 130 and head for the hills again.Not much of a problem compared to straight skis and honestly it's not much of a different to anything, snowblades included. I still rip through diamonds feet smacked together, doesn't matter the ski.Okay so I tried some carving, and the tips aren't overlapping naturally since the up hill knee is further ahead, but during the transition, there's rub. And rub there was, my skis are shredded now so I had to epoxy the tips.I can't be the only one learning how to ski like a legend here, so how do you ski with clown skis these days?
Is the m6 mantra too much of a boomer ski?
Are K2 Poachers good for high speed?
The midwest is a terrible place. Where do I go next:>SL valley>Denver area>Tahoe
>>132019yes. they are stiff, therefore they are good at high speeds
>>132571>SLvalleySalt Lake valley or what?Anyway we cant really help if we dont know what terrain you like>>131958yea
>>126813>wearing a helmet
>>131833lol 113 is skinny as fuck at the tip. I rock 188s under foot. For carving just pressure the front of your boots. Your uphill leg should be bent to create separation. Roll your ankle, knees, and hips together. If you need tips took at youtube videos. 85 underfoot skis should be prime for carving
>>133515*118 underfoot. 143 at the tip
how the fuck do you ski powder? Why cant you turn? Do you just need more speed?
>>133632you gotta not fight the powder. You need to keep a more neutral stance instead of leaning forward like on hardpack.
>>133632How I ski powder: Charge hard as fuck fast as fuck, same as I ski any conditionsHow some people ski powder: idk never asked but maybe with weight farther back? I don't ski powder with my weight back but maybe some people do, ask them I guess
>>133632Ski on wider skis, you best be on AT LEAST 110 underfoot
Just started up again, first time I’ve gone in four years. Hunter mountain is piss, gets all the NYC traffic
>>133632deb armstrong gives a good lessonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2ScKSMGvtchonestly if you can afford the lesson on a powder day it'd be worth it, you'd get to skip the lines in addition to your lesson
How are you supposed to git gud? I'm very comfortable on all groomers, but single black diamonds still give me trouble and I have to take them relatively slowly, for the most part taking 2-4 turns and stopping to plan out the next 2-4 turns. Double black/extreme terrain, super steep runs, narrow chutes, tight tree runs, etc. all seem impossible to me.Also, my technique is complete dogshit and I really have no fucking clue what I'm doing.I've been skiing since I was a kid but I live somewhere flat so I can only go skiing for a few days a year. Do I just need to move if I want to be better?Should I get lessons? I've never had them.
>>135443>advanced lessons or more realistically youtube tutorials>good physical health and diet>set of balls
Help me choose action camera… Akaso one is new.
day 1 of breckenridge, there's too many people.But I can't really complain because we were skiing around the blues in the middle of the resort.Hopefully it thins out.
I'm using some second-hand K2 Four R 160s. They're definitely small for me - I'm set on buying new boots and bindings, but I'm unsure about buying new skis. I think I would like freestyle skis, don't do terrain parks, but enjoy hard cornering and ice. Is it worth going to freestyle for that alone?
>>135613I'm 182/72. I know 160 is small for me, but I'm completely used to these skis. Wat should I do?
>>135443https://pastebin.com/raw/m9aTYtnFRead that, and focus on progressing, if you can't do blacks comfortably yet then of course extreme terrain will seem impossible. Some people ski easy double blacks by the end of their first season if they ski constantly, but the vast majority take a number of years to get good enough for double blacks, and that's even if they ski a lot more than you do. Also, there is a HUGE difference between an average double black run, and extreme terrain. Progressing from the bunny hill to an average double black run is like progressing from an average double black run to extreme terrain.If you truly want to get to the point where you can ski extreme terrain, you need to prioritize skiing in your life. No one just skis a few days a year then starts hucking cliffs. If you want to be able to ski extreme terrain, prioritize skiing highly, and do what it takes to get in at least a few dozen days a year. Go out west (assuming you live in USA) and live in your car for a few weeks a year if that's what it takes.Ski aggressively, practice technique on terrain you're comfortable on while also venturing into terrain that pushes your limits. It is 90% mental/confidence, when you get to challenging terrain, try to ski it confidently. And read the pastebin, even though it's kinda aimed at people who are noobier than you, the same ideas will apply to you, just extrapolate the ideas to harder terrain.Also, where do you ski? You say very comfortable on all groomers but then that single blacks give you trouble, but most resorts have at least some single blacks that are groomed. And location is a big difference, for example a single black in the midwest is going to be only as hard as an easy blue or even a hard green at some resorts out west. Whereas a single black in Utah may be harder than a double black in the Midwest. So it would be helpful to know where you ski to give more specific advice.
>>135443And when venturing into terrain you are uncomfortable with, you can ski across the fall line (across the hill rather than down it) to go slower while getting more comfortable on that terrain, then start skiing a bit more fall line (angled more downhill/less across the hill), and keep progessing how downhill you're facing as you get more and more comfortable on that terrain.But depending on the area in question, you may be getting in the way of more advanced skiers if you're skiing back and forth straight across the run, so it is best to do this when its not crowded (i.e. weekday mornings), and if someone much better than you is skiing the run, let them go first. You can also watch how they ski it, and when they're out of the way then you can ski back and forth across the run.Ski aggressively, weight forward, skis parallel.
Thoughts on skiboards?
Going to palisades and mammoth in a few weeks:Any reccomended lines/terrain? I’m going into it completely blind
>>135820if you're good, McConkey's High Line, various Chimney lines (if it's open), and Fingers
>>133632Weight on the balls of your feet. Dont drive the shovels of your skis too hard. Stay light on your feet - remember its supposed to be fun! If that still doesnt work, size up either in length or width. Your ski doesnt need to be 110+ underffot like the other anon said, 90 underfoot skis used to be for "powder". What is better is to look for a ski with plenty of tip rocker
>>135614Buy new skis. The ones you have are extremely outdated. Look for something around 175cm length>>135625>I strongly recommend learning to ski without polesdisagree, only for the first year. learning how to pole plant properly will make steep terrain more approachable>However, twin tips are harder to control for beginnerthis is nonsense. twins dont affect how hard a ski is to control, they are for skiing switch/butters or making turns easier to feather/looser. if anything, twins are easier to ski than traditional race builds unless someone is 100% focused on pure carving. there is a reason every single modern all mountain ski has at least some tail rocker
>>135981>disagree, only for the first year."Learn without poles" doesn't mean "ski more than one year without poles" so I don't think you disagree with anything there>switch/buttersNot what a beginner is going to be doing
>>135981How are they outdated? At 103/70/93 I get that I won't have a fun time in powder, but I don't really give a shit about that. What else am I missing out on?
>>136057I'm sure they still work fine, but if you're talking about updating your boots and bindings, you might as well get new skis. There is no point in mounting modern bindings to old skis unless you are very attached to them. I have some K2s from that era and they are outrageously heavy, so you would certainly be upgrading in terms of lower swing weight. Look at something like the K2 DISRUPTION 82TI or K2 MINDBENDER 85 for a reference.>>136040Yeah, but my point is tail rocker actually makes the ski more accessible for beginners. We shouldnt push learning skiers towards race build skis unless thats what they want to learn - pure carving
>>136057Oh and yeah 160 is way too short for you, even if you're a beginner. Start on 170s and then look towards 175-180 as you get to be upper-intermediate
>>136062There is no hard and fast rule for ski length - it is extremely dependent on the build of the ski, your skiing style, height and weight. That said, the rule of thumb is the tip of the ski should reach between the top of your forehead and your chin - 160cm would be well below your chin, I imagine.
>>136064Are you just fucking with me or do you actually want to know why skis are built in certain lengths?
>>136060>Yeah, but my point is tail rocker actually makes the ski more accessible for beginners. We shouldnt push learning skiers towards race build skis unless thats what they want to learn - pure carvingYeah I don't disagree with that, I didn't mean to imply beginners should be on racey skis, or that tail rocker is bad, just that full on twin tips aren't really ideal for a beginner. Maybe when I said 'carving skis' I gave the wrong impression, I could have worded that better.
>>136089Yeah, that's fair. I think a lot of modern skis are so easy to ski, its much better for beginners. I got my mom who has been skiing her whole life some Salomon QSTs and she says they arr way easier than her old ~2001 K2s. I grew up racing - basically learned how to ski the whole mountain on slalom skis because my dad didnt want to buy me twin tips - and it definitely made me a great skier but that was after 8 years, 25+ ski days each year, professional coaching. IMO new (especially adult) skiers should start out on something lightweight and easy to furn, and then they can branch out once they are comfortable.
I went skiing for the first time in a few years and had a blast. I knocked into someone on one of my last runs and took them out. I keep replaying it in my head. They weren't hurt and I stuck by to make sure they were okay. I'm not sure how it happened. I hit some ice and sped up, then lost control. I feel awful. I'm doing a lot of research to avoid it ever happening again. I honestly feel sick even thinking about it. I'm surprised I didn't get my ass beat. Any advice? I'm using it as a learning experience. I feel so awful.
>>136722Control your speed around people, try to make your path go as far away from them as you can. Even as an experienced skier I'm very cautious about this and just prefer to stick to empty runs desu. You never know if the person in front of you is gonna slow down suddenly or how wide their next turn is gonna be.
>>135443>How are you supposed to git gud?Focus on form when skiing on stuff you are confident in (skis close together). Then jump turns. When in doubt, lean forward - if you are nervous most people shift weight too far back and lose control. Except if its super deep powder in flat areas you need to 'float' over. I sometimes ski on one leg (lift your other leg off the ground) on groomers and make turns with one leg just to force myself to be really aware of my edges and balance and how to control it. Surprisingly good work out. If you have the budget lessons are good.If you only ski a few days a year its hard to get the right conditioning to have the strength to do good jump turns, which applies a lot on steep and deep stuff.
>>136722>I knocked into someone on one of my last runs and took them out. I keep replaying it in my head. They weren't hurt and I stuck by to make sure they were okay.>I'm not sure how it happened. I hit some ice and sped up, then lost control. I feel awful. I'm doing a lot of research to avoid it ever happening again. I honestly feel sick even thinking about it. I'm surprised I didn't get my ass beat. Any advice? I'm using it as a learning experience. I feel so awful.Ski with low enough speed and enough distance between you and others that you have enough control so that you can make yourself fall and come to a stop before you hit anyone else. I ski fast and sometimes pass people closely (behind and above their direction of travel typically, since I know they can't instantly 180 up the hill) but have excellent control and I have yeeted myself into a rope or off the main run to avoid people if I need to. Honestly anything else is kinda irresponsible unless you are a child.
>>136723>>136733Thanks for the advice. There really is no excuse. I've gone skiing a few times and never came to colliding with anyone. Thankfully, I was going slow, but it could have been really bad. I know it was so dumb. Taking the experience as a big opportunity to learn and improve. So embarrassing and avoidable. Reading up on ski etiquette and best practice before I go again.
>>136722I love to ski fast but I always rein it in when around other people, or I try to give them a very large berth like 20 feet. Even if I feel in control all the time, you never know what other people are going to do. I would suggest keeping your speed in control when around others, and practice going fast only on empty slopes. Night skiing is great for this. You mentioned hitting a patch of ice so I'll say it is important to always look at the snow in front of you so you are prepared for whats next.Also, dont beat yourself up. People have done much worse, a snowboarder once broke my kid sisters arm by running into her. As long as the other person wasnt hurt and you learn from the incident, its ok.>>136819Biggest thing to remember is that the uphill skier must always avoid the downhill skier. That said, I always look over my shoulder on crowded slopes because people are dumbfucks and go out of control.
>>135625>>135626Read through the pastebin.I’ve mostly been skiing park city the past few years, but I’ve been to beaver creek and I just got back from a trip to wolf creek. As far as groomed black runs, I can’t say I remember being on many of them, but they’ve been fine I suppose. It’s mostly bumps (and powder, to a lesser extent) that are giving me trouble.I want to move out west after graduating college (about a year), but I’m not sure where yet. I guess wherever I can find a job will have to do.
>>136893re: bumps, look into aggressive pole planting technique. Not a lot of skiers talk about it but its the key to navigating tricky, technical terrain. For powder, theres a lot of things that come into play. If you are in skinny (sub 90mm underfoot) skis, that can be a hindrance. Powder skiing also can be more conducive to a "balanced", weight on the ball of the foot stance, as opposed to a forward stance you use for carving, where you pressure into the cuff of the boot. It also makes a big difference skiing in dry, Rockies champagne, or wet PNW concrete. All in all, powder should be fun, so unless you're not having fun skiing pow, I wouldn't worry about it.
Snowbird, Jackson Hole, Mammoth, Kirkwood. These r the best.
>>137032Kirkwood goes hardhttps://youtu.be/65zhTWGQfuE
>>137032No Revvie or Fernie?
>>130135for NC go to Sugar.Beech is fine too but Sugar is better in general, especially for a beginner
>>130539i know bros who have back country ski'd Roan Mountain. it would be easy enough to hike up and get to. just need the powder
>>130910noooooooooo. just go straight to a mountain. the indoor stuff is for skiers who just need to scratch the itch in summer. doesn't actually feel anything like the real deal and wouldn't be good to learn technique
probably going to pick up a pair of these in the off-season. demo'd them on about 8 runs and pretty kino feel when charging groomers.anyone have an opinion on them?
>>137252I have not skied them but looks like a run of the mill intermediate frontside carver. If you like it, that's good. Head makes fantastic carving skis, the downside is those will probably not ski very well off piste. If you ski a fair amount and expect to go off the groomers I would look at something a bit more versatile, maybe the Head Kore 87 or Elan Wingman 86
East coast fag traveling to mammoth on Friday.How fucked am I? Heard the main highway keeps getting shut down
Tahoe was nuts bros.
>>137032Snowbird and Squaw are best,Jackson is good. Bridger and Big Sky are probably good too.>>136722Make sure your edges are sharp,and get skilled at dumping speed quickly.>>136893Go to a good bootfitter (I recommend Deep Powder House at Alta, if you get back to Utah) and get good boots. This is a bigger deal than you think. Preferably with custom footbeds,and definitely with heat moulding. They'll cost like 700 dollars.Then when you're actually on the mountain,ski aggressively and assertively, don't let your skis just take you for a ride. Especially important off piste. It can be uncomfortable at first to ski aggressively,especially if you are used to having your weight too far back, but it will get natural as you improve. This applies especially to bump skiing.In powder you can be a bit more relaxed and weight farther back.>>137243AFUCKINGLEAF
>>137243those places are both sick from what I hear
Why is skiing so much more insanely expensive in the US? Like a ski pass for a day can be like 200 dollars. For three days in the US you can get a season resort ski pass in Europe.I can now understand Americans who say ski culture is snobby as fuck because with these prices I imagine it really is that way there.How do you guys unironically afford that shit?
>>138719It's comically expensive. I save up money all year long waiting for the snow.
Skiing is such a hassle. You need a lot of gear, travel to a mountain, pay to use the lifts, ride the lift for several minutes, now you can FINALLY do the thing for like 4 minutes before you reach the ground, and ride the lift again.Compare it to, idk, ice skating, you just bring your skates to a lake and go.
>>131257>Armada ARVsHave these. Love em on the deep stuff. Bit taller and heavier than you. I will say they are not the best at doing super tight turns, just because they are much bigger and heavier than smaller skis - I have some 10+ year old 'groomer' skis that I like better for that, but those are significantly shorter, narrower, and lighter for moguls, but those are not good at deep stuff. Depending on what chutes you like to ski, you may have to be pretty cautious in your approach or jump bomb it down a ways on the armadas if the entry is really narrow. At really high speeds on groomers you will notice a bit of a rattle since they are not super hard, but not at all in new snow. For all mountain the armadas are a really nice option. I ski wet and heavy stuff in PNW though, if you are on champagne dry power in CO all the time you might want to go smaller skis. pic related
>>131833>I can't be the only one learning how to ski like a legend here, so how do you ski with clown skis these days?I learned early 90s and am told I have really good form in that oldschool close-skiing way. I swap between my wide powder skis and narrow carving groomer skis - I will say I normally do a couple runs to mentally transition, otherwise I do knock sides on tight turns going from narrow to wide. It also sounds nuts, but I ski pretty 'loosy goosy' in terms of binding tightness on the wide skis, vs cranking way the fuck down on the narrow skis. Something about the way I dial in the clips on the (same pair of) boots differently for each ski helps, but it gets my feet hurting for sure. But I get mogged speed and skill wise by my siblings on wide ass skis all the time, so form is really just a personal preference/style.
>>133632flats - lean back to float on top (need big skis and or speed)Steep and deep - lean forward and basically jump turn through, use your poles as part of swinging your body around.
Can I still make a living out of ski?I’m a pretty good skier, basic tricks down and can jump average height cliffs without dying. I’m 18 y/o, from Europe. I’ve started college this year and can’t go skiing as much as I would want to (at most 2-3 weeks/year for the next few years until I graduate). I love skiing and would like to make a living out of it, instead of getting a science degree only to end up doing shitty excel sheets for a bank or whatever, is it still possible?
>>139533I don't think anybody gets by through being an skiing pro or influencer, unless they start some equipment brand or work on the business side of it. I guess you could work/live at a resort and become a ski bum, but with modern cost of living your quality of life will probably be pretty similar to a homeless person. Doesn't necessarily mean its bad, I've seriously considered it myself, especially since I'm already a poorfag and I don't own a fucking car in america of all places.
>>139533From what I have heard most pro skiers do not make a living 100% from skiing, but the absolute best i.e. Seth Morrison probably do.
>>139533basically join ski patrol, the park crew or become an instructor and then find an easy off season job eg working at a skate shop/being a raft guide etc.if you mean you want to be a fulltime parkrat?find a homie house or a crew learn a skill like filming or editing & design and do those on the side while you perpetually couch surf. >>139538resorts usually provide pretty decent benefits and housing if you work for them
>>139589Yes, there are benefits and housing, but at least at some resorts here in America, that housing is paid for by a big chunk of your paycheck. You will have to cut corners in other areas like eating like shit to make it work out. Maybe he's fine with that but I don't think that's what most people think of when talking about "making a living".Maybe its different in Europe, but I wouldn't know
any good recommendations for ski magazines? preferably indie, if that even existsgenerally about freeski/touring as a whole, gear, interesting new stuff, not about alpine skiing if possible
>>139629Poweder was good but recently went out of print. I think they still do digital stuff (magazines or just articles, not sure), so if you're open to digital I would check out Powder and Unofficial Networks.
>be me>skiing at new resort for the third time since moving away for uni>its a fat powder day and I got there at 6am to wait in line>I still havent met anybody who rides here yet so im skiing alone>theres a big cliff drop in full view of the line at the bottom>the lift opens and I get on the very first chair>I look back and the line goes all the way back to the parking lot>decide im gonna show off for the heck of it>make a beeline for the cliff after reaching the top so nobody beats me to it>throw a 360 off the highest section>i massively underestimate the size of the drop and go well past a 5>crash and tomahawk several times in a full yard sale>here the most mortified "oooooh"'s I've ever heard in my life>it looked so bad from down there that a patroller stopped me at the bottom and questioned me to make sure I didnt have a brain injury>tfw hundreds of people saw all of it it unfoldShould I buy another jacket so none of the locals recognize me? Or should I just move to Europe?
>>139684Anon are you fucking retarded? most people would be proud to have attempted it (and then go back and make up for the crash)you're a fucking faggot and should just quit skiing
>>139684what other anon said but less extremejust go back and send a massive backflip or whatever the hell you want since there’s a lot of powder, people will just start looking at you as “the guy who attempts crazy stuff”
>>139705>>139761Not serious about the last part. I wouldve went for redemption but the run out got moguled to shit by the second lap. I dont think Im gonna get another chance at it this season. The forecast here looks pretty fucked from today onwards.
>>133515Two months of skiing with modern gear and it has been fun, definitely had to learn to put pressure on the front. Carving is super fun and surfing on powder! My god, this was not really possible way back on skinny skis.I got to save up for an RV and hunt for powder now.
>>139684You waited three hours at the lift to fuck up a cliff drop and it’s too moguly for you now…god I hate powder hounds.
>>139182thanks anon, I ended up buying them (the 96s) and keeping my carvers for groomer days. though i actually took the armadas out on one and it wasn't half bad (picrel), they are indeed heavy AF but I could still get decent turns in at speed.the one thing i didn't feel too comfortable in was trees, i always felt like i couldn't turn in time, but then again i'm a bit of a noob at off-piste stuff so idk.but what they are good at, man they're good at. i threw myself off some jumps i wouldn't have even thought of on my last skis. also took them to Tahoe and they did just fine on the stupid deep powder there. and if there's any crud i just lean back and roll right over it. these things are sick and i'm very satisfied.
Did I fuck up? I’ve skied only narrower skis (Vantage 79 Ti until they failed from a defect) since returning to skiing. I live in New England but haven’t skied here recently and travel to the Rockies for trips. I love trees and especially moguls (despite being pretty new to them) so I wanted a pair of Bent 90s but the local store where I had credit didn’t have an appropriate length. I’m a currently hefty 6ft guy. My thoughts are I can get experienced with something on the other end of the spectrum and add a second different pair of that more in between length later. I’m going to Big Sky in a couple weeks for the last trip of the season but Jackson Hole is where I keep coming back to.
>>130364Salomon and Atomic come from the same production lines is what I heard from one tech. Amer (and by extension Anta) own all 3 brands.
still getting some skiing in Minnesomalia bros
Thinking of buying these Blizzard Brahma 88 on sale. Would these be a good all mountain ski for Europe (mostly Austria probably)?
>>140899>All mountain>Anything below 96Trippin! Get some 100s
>>140925This kind of nuanced debate is why I still come to shit chan after all these years.Yeah, I'm gonna get a pair of fat rockered skis to shred all those 5 centimetres of pow the eastern alps get in a month.Thanks
I injured my knee the second time out skiing. It is not too serious, but now I can't do anything for a month or two.
Why do I have so much trouble turning/carving to the right?
>>141685Left side of body is weaker than right
>>141565those are good skispretty much every site is complete trash when it comes to skiing contentinstagram:>muh cliffs>muh tricks>muh look at these crowdsreddit:>muh core shot>muh mediocre skiing>muh ig reposts>muh vail sucks>muh nigger skiing4chan:>muh first time skiing>muh shitposts>muh skiing is for fagsnewschoolers:>muh rails>muh tricks>muh baggy clothes>muh harlaut aesthetics
I bought an Ebin Pass. Planning to use it to visit Colorado for the first time, Heavenly, and Park City if I can swing it. God help my back account.Now begins the wait for next season.
>>126786if you bootpack the bowl for a season pass do they let you ski down at the end of the day or do you have to hike out?
>>142285It's a few years since I've been to vail but it was great, what gives?
>>142494it's a strip mall that was built for tourists to do pizza turns would be the traditional answer but every other mountain town has been so overrun by caliniggers that there's hardly a difference anymore
>>142500Wowzers, it was quite tourist-ey when I went, but to be fair, that was a little while ago
>>142505after the cluster fuck that was base village, i don't think we have any right to shittalk vail anymore lmoa
any good ski mountaineering resources you guys like? I've done a bunch of spring mountaineering out in the rockies and ice climbing in michigan but never any skiing and I figured it would be efficient to get into all mediums surrounding it. I got a pair of shit downhill and cross country skiis for free with ancient bindings but never tried them out last season since I dont have any boots. Any ideas for a setup that includes arc proclines/salomon xalps? It seems like the ideal boot for what I want to do, I just don't know the rest of the plan
>>142285pretty accuratebaggy clothes are objectively the best form of clothing for skiing.Anyone watch SLVSH cup?
>>142956the best thing would be to take an in-person avalanche course if you haven't done that already
>>138719Tbf 3-4 days is the breakeven for most of the season passes if you buy in the spring.
>>126786is there any way to cheaply ski
>>146172>couch surf>live in your car>work for the resort>become a shop guy here you also bootpack the bowl to get a season pass, idk if they have that kind of program elsewhere >https://highlandspatrol.com/bootpack/>https://www.strafeouterwear.com/blogs/strafe-journal/aspen-highlands-bootpackingthis season i didn't even buy a pass and just hiked up the mountain every day, so if you're a park rat that's not a bad option either
is the snow at A basin still worth the 80 dollars for a ticket bros?
>>126813I like sweet protection helmets the most
>>139684>Should I buy another jacket so none of the locals recognize me? Or should I just move to Europe?move to Europe so I can ski with you you fuckin legend
Southern hemisphere season soon. Hyped