If you're a non BJJ cuck then you probably hear about Gordan Ryan and that he's fairly good, but do you realize the magnitude of how much better he is than everyone else? it's absurd.The 2022 ADCC just happened. It's very common for professional BJJ matches to go the full time and just be decided by advantages or 1 or 2 points. If someone does get submitted it's usually 10 or 15 minuets in and rather rare amongst the best. Gordan just submitted the semi-finalist of the tournament in 11 seconds. He the proceed to submit the person he faced in the finals (the second best on the planet) in a little over two minutes. As much as we all hate him Gordan Ryan's BJJ operates on a a different plane of existence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM4y9Zviv_ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO-QKVEYA70
>>116740based op. i also thought that kade ruotolos run was as (if not more) impressive. kade got all submissions against the top guys in the most stacked division 77kg
The skill gap between Gordon and the next best guys is insane. He's inhuman.
is he p4p as well?
>>116776>>116740just goes to show the difference it makes when someone trains like a real athlete. most bjj guys don't train like professional athletes; gordon does. and his team is also more cerebral than most combat sport teams. danaher coached gsp too. they're very critical people and that lends itself to a cerebral sport like submission grappling which is kind of like body chess.
Sp, what is he doing differently? More roids? Differents roids? More drills? less drills, more rolling? I hear he's big on positional training, whatever that means.
>>116819training and training philosophy from what i understand based on interviews with danaher, gordon and the two of them. they train like full-time professional athletes and think about the sport like real competitors. they're not just open mat rolling and showing up to tournaments like a lot of bjj competitors, gordon has a regiment. danaher's entire life is bjj; he has no family, no other hobbies. it's all he does and gordon is his extension. gordon would've been great with or without danaher but i think the two of them together make for the perfect amount of autism to conquer an autistic sport like submission grappling
>>116822have to remember that submission grappling and bjj are not very popular sports. there's not a lot of money in it. not very many people can dedicate all their time to bjj, not even at the highest levels. that's why you see a lot of them veer off into mma where there's more opportunities and more money. so for people to be able to train full time is rare enough as it is. it's a massive advantage for people like danaher and his students to be able to train full time and dedicate real full time brain power to the sport
>>116811I'm not sure if there is a p4p ranking but he is beyond any doubt #1 if it exist.>>116819The fucking shocking thing is he's the only normal looking guy. He doesn't ever seem to really using much strength either. It seem like dude is really just that much better. Like look of the difference between his build and the guy he's facing in the tournament superfight (2 different champions from two different brackets fight each other)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6y9_7iQ-JY
>>116830>normal looking guy
trained with him at an open mat one time. Guy is fucking insanely talented
>>116833now show his opponents. I will admit that I should've said normal looking only when compared to the people he's facing.
>>116836>>116833Forgot the pic
>>116836you don't know how steroids work. gordon is blasting hard and all but admits it himself. he's better than everyone else but he's also on steroids, that's why he's destroying people. because he's good AND on steroids, not one or the other like everyone else. implying gordon is somehow "doing fewer" steroids than other people is just pointless conjecture
>>116839you don't seem to know how they work eithergordon is no doubt juicing like crazy, but so are all of his opponents. and more steroids != more gooder outside of the IFBB, if you want proof go inject a bunch of deca and count how many hill sprints you can do before your lungs or calves explode, so i dont think gordon is just pinning harder than everyone else. there's almost certainly some "meta" stack that everybody at that level takes yet gordon still crushes.
I'm supposed to be straight but holy shit I wanna get fucked by this guy.I would both get submitted and make it last full time.
>>116881Do steroids make you age faster? He looks like he's morphing into a neanderthal.
>>116906Not 'steroids' per se but the PED cocktail these guys take makes your organs age real fast, especially your heart, liver, and kidneys. They also change your facial bone structure considerably. Your skull gets larger and thicker. Your hairline recedes(look at Gordon's widow's peak and gigantic noggin). Your skin looks mottled and red like a proper pub lad. All of this makes you 'age fast'. However, the main reason Gordon looks old is because he's a massive douchefaggot whose dyed his hair and beard white like he's in an anime.
>>116823This is the real heart of it. For the sport, he's fairly young still, and does nothing but train, teach, and talk shit online. Every single video of him when he's not at a competition is either on the mats, the gym, or his house. He's functionally an autistic shut in. He's just doing something productive with it instead of beating off to cartoons.
>He's functionally an autistic shut in.So am I. How long until I get good at BJJ?
>>116967If that's your attitude towards training you'll honestly be a killer in like 10 months.
Why is competitive BJJ so boring to watch? Would it just turn into wrestling or judo if they implemented similar anti-stalling penalties?
>>117019Not necessarily. The legality of throws and the like also play a large part in how much it looks like either of those.
>>117019Not really. BJJ just really isn't a spectator friendly course.
>>117019Both Judo and wrestling are infamously spectator unfriendly sports as well. They have similar problems to jiu jitsu. Scoring criteria can be opaque and despite anti-stalling measures, matches can still be boring and draw out way too long. The only grappling sport I can think of that's fun to watch is sumo, which does not have those problems.
>>117054I actually find Judo to by far be the most entertaining out of the three despite having done the other 2 for years. I actually could see myself paying to go see a Judo tournament. Probably because they changed the ruleset with the intention of making it more viewer friendly. Wrestling isn't really that bad because of the quick matches but BJJ ca be unbearable with its 20min long matches where literally no one scores. It's just dudes rolling around on the ground.Judo>Wrestling>>>>>>>BJJ in terms of spectator entertainment
>>117019The worst matches I've seen by far have always just been shoving matches between two ultra heavies, maybe award an advantage for grabbing an opponent's leg or introduce a ring out penalty after a certain amount of time or something
Grappling is so cool, but it's so gross and weird at the same time.
>>117168It's really fun, rewarding, and is one of the best forms of physical conditioning there is. It will also murder your joints, give you staph and ring worm, fuck up your ears, and everyone else in society will view you as a weird and gay grab-asser who likes to be in the breath-space of other men for fun. It's a blighted existence. Maybe I'll switch to archery or something instead. Something that involves fresh air and lots of distance.
>>117145Heavyweight in general are the most boring to watch for combat sports I feel. In MMA for example sure you might get a knockout but the rest of the time it's going to be two big dudes who are slow af and in general just on average sloppier technique in comparison to the smaller guys. They're also operating with a limited move pool in terms of what they can do with their body. You'll never see a heavyweight pulling off some of the shit Demetrious would do.
>>117176Is there any way to do this long term without getting nasty cauli ear?
>>117190Yes. Be on top of draining them when you get cauliflower and be willing to sit out of hard sparring while you heal. Either that or wear headgear.
>>117190headgear will do it. I never liked the traditional headgear becuase It would just move over my head so I wear a rugby headgear. I look real stupid in practice by my ears are safe af.
Pretty sure it's just genetic, but you can wear headgear if you are prone to it. I've been training for 15 years and competing for 10 in MMA and my ears are fine, but I see white belts at comps that have it.
>>117222I don't wear headgear either btw
>>116740Gordon Ryan is overrated. If you look at the calibre of his opponents compared to the guys at -66kg to -88kg there's just no comparison. It's like comparing the men's divisions with the women's divisions in terms of standards. Literally just rewatch any of his matches from ADCC this year and that's what you'll see. I mean, seriously, an outside heel hook from a random guard pull in 15 seconds. That's not even skill. His opponent literally has to be a fucking retard for that to be possible. His competition is dogshit at that weight. Not even saying Gordon couldn't dominate those divisions, but no way it would be nearly as dominant as it is at ultra heavyweight or whatever. Maybe I'm wrong and or a hater, but I'm kinda tired of everyone just ignoring the fact that he's literally turned himself into a human gorilla through PED use. If he went back down to his natural weight and won -88kg again then I would kneel. Idk why he acts like everyone is on as much juice as him. Yeah probably at ultra heavyweight, but clearly he's on way more advanced shit than almost everyone at the lower weight classes who could challenge him if they were the same size.
>>117019 I'm glad BJJ isn't a great spectator sport. Imagine having your sport cucked to death by a panel of dipshits for the sake of some braindead mouthbreathing diabetics who only bother gaping at it momentarily on network TV between car insurance commercials because football isn't in season
>>117268Plenty of room in absolute for those guys to come prove it.
>>117270We talking about judo?
>>117268>Gordon Ryan is overratedRetard alert
>>117358ADCC is worthless outside the open bracketno one cares gordo
>>117268>I mean, seriously, an outside heel hook from a random guard pull in 15 seconds.That's not even skill. His opponent literally has to be a fucking retard for that to be possible.You're making it sound like that wouldn't have worked on you or some of the higher belts at your gym, which could be true. What I remind you of is that he did this to one of the semifinalist for the world championship.The alternative point of view is that perhaps it only looked simple because Gordan Ryan made it look easy.
>>117290The size thing is too much of an issue. Anyone who could be competitive is just too small to pose any threat. To get on that much juice you have to either be *super* fucking dumb (Brazilians) or have a monster ego and just not give a shit because all you care about is winning. The former will never really be a success because too dumb, and the latter just barely exists, let alone with the skill and training that Gordon has. >>117358I'm a big fan of his style and technically he probably is still the best. I'm not even saying he's not the best, just that he isn't proving it by being so juiced that no one can even get close. >>117394Unironically I train with some guys who were at ADCC, so yeah probably not. Would it work on me? Well buddy I am about 160 pounds and have glass feet so it may well have. But anyway, if you look at the position, the guy's knee is still free to move so there's no pressure being applied, which you'd expect when the guy is still on his feet. The guy just tapped because he was scared or wanted to give up early. That's an early stage submission right there, and anyone in a lower weight class would know that and probably have the means to escape. That skill simply isn't developed at their weight class because no one ever poses a threat with it, because the game at their size is literally retarded. This is why Gordon is dominant, because he's naturally a lanky guy and got good before he became a gorilla. Anyone who's naturally big (even before being enhanced), unless extremely disciplined, will never have this skill (even then that's debatable).