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Palm strikes or punches?
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>>113693
Yes
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sneed
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>>113693
>drills or screw guns?
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>>113693
Palm strikes are safer. The positioning keeps your wrist and everything properly aligned, protects your fingers. That's the biggest reason the military teaches the use of palm strikes, to preserve your ability to operate your weapon and tools. The old MCMAP program still taught the use of fists but they just tell you to use it on soft targets.
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>>114191
Since you mentioned the MCMAP program... They got pretty fucking gritty. They focused on palm strikes so you could string together some nasty shit. Military martial arts programs are very much based on the idea of "do what works," so they would string together shit like, palm uppercut to clinching on the ear combod with a knee strike so you could rip that shit right off. Fags like to rip on military self defense programs, and I get it, most of the time in the hands of basic ass dudes it won't do shit. But in the hands of a soldier that might fucking die that shit gets nasty. Everyone likes to shit on the "to deadly for you," stuff, which like I said, in the hands of a regular old weeb faggot, usually means fuck all. In the hands of a relatively ripped solider sporting a adrenaline fueled murder boner the size of a pringles can, well thats a different story. MCMAP program taught those palm strikes so you could snatch anything in a nanoseconds notice. Ears, nose, eyes, fucking anything that will save your ass in that split second between you and a dude getting back to his weapon before you. Or someone sounding the alarm, etc, etc. A lot of those old school military martial arts programs were written from the perspective of those most likely to actually use them, so POWs and shit like that. Again, for a basic ass faggot with no strength, no training, means almost nothing. But those brutal simple moves in the hands of someone with the capability of really doing somehting with it is fucking gore on auto mode.
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>>114191
>Palm strikes are safer. The positioning keeps your wrist and everything properly aligned, protects your fingers.
I almost broke my wrist palm striking a heavy bag. Took weeks to get the kinks out again, it's still not completely healed. Never had that problem with using my fists.

So, from personal xp: It's the other way around, palm strikes are a meme.
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>>114286
I can smell the POG on you.
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Already had this thread and every possible combination of answers to this question.

What else is there to say on the subject?

Both are effective so it's just a matter of context and training.
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serious question: Would palm-striking an iron dumbell 1000 times a day produce a lethal or very mighty palm strong after 300 days?
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>>114286
(((soldiers))) are Statist faggots who die for anglo overlords to export fornication and contraceptives to traditionalist and tribal sociaties
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>>115403
haha yeah bro but... i just wanted to talk about palm strikes but yeah
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>>114286
MCMAP isn't all that but they do focus on basic and effective techniques. It won't make you a good fighter on it's own but I surely don't want an axe stomp to the face.
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>>115402
For anyone who wants to do dumb shit like this, do it on a kettlebell. It'll form to the palm better, and you'll be less likely to have to drive to the ER one handed
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Palm punches
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>>114286
If any modern military is training for hand to hand they are by definition a terrible military.
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>>115525
you're an idiot
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>>115403
But what if I am an Anglo Norman and therefore am guaranteed an officer position and can lord over (((enlisted))) goys? What then?
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>>114328
Well legions of experts disagree with you. Just cause it's a palm strike doesnt mean you can smash the shit out of a heavy bag, or maybe your form was off cause you're not used to it. There is still some technique involved, it's not as simple as just throwing your palm out there.
>>114392
Haven't even served, yet. But I'm a military history buff.
>>115402
The premise behind all that shit is stupid. Bone conditioning is stupid. That's how you get brittle bones and arthritis. That's why you see ethnic muy thai palm tree kicking retards hobbling around with a cane like yoda in their early 40s.
>>115402
You know for most dudes it's just a fucking job that, provided you don't get fucked up, has really good long term benefits. You know most jobs in the military have nothing to do with the schizo shit you're worried about.
>>115454
>won't make you a good fighter
According to whom? It's a pipeline program, it's not meant to make you an mma master. Dudes aren't going to be going for complex BJJ holds in the midst of a fucking fire fight. You know just by having a solid grasp on the fundamentals you're automatically a better fighter than the majority of the planet. Remove all forms of sporting rule restrictions and those fundamentals get a lot more dangerous.
>>115525
Literally every modern military, especially special forces, has intense courses on hand to hand. Are they depending on it? No, of course not, that's what guns are fucking for. But the military that doesn't prepare for every eventuality is by definition, a terrible military.

Let me put a bow on this. Military training, especially basic, even the beginning steps of the specops pipeline, is not meant to make you a master of anything really. Any seal/ranger/angel/scout that isn't a poofty fag nasty sucking on his own farts will tell you the same. When you first earn your membership in any specops community you're still just a lowly puke of a FNG, in rank, experience, and skill.
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>>114286
bro you wrote the same thing 3 times in a row
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>>115669
>legions of experts
The only people who actually advocate for palm strikes are rbsd shitters and fat karate retards.
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>>115669
>haven’t served yet
LMFAO, get the fuck out of here you retarded teenager. You literally don’t know shit, even about the system you support.
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>>116429
What about Bas Rutten?
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>>116450
Bas rutten did palm strikes because he had to for the pancrase ruleset not because he wanted to. Nobody opts for palms when they have the option to punch.
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>>116429
Mkay well pretty much every military & LEO h2h training program would disagree with you
>>116430
It's the military, there isn't a lot to know. Pretty basic shit. Only sperging fags would pretend otherwise.
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Is he right?
https://youtu.be/6NiSSG6laRo
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>>116607
>Mkay well pretty much every military & LEO h2h training program would disagree with you
Cops and soldiers both usually suck ass at fighting “h2h” unless they’re training outside of their programs. Half the LEO training I’ve seen is still doing aikido wrist lock bullshit to take people down. It’s only in the last few years that we’ve even started to see them incorporate more bjj shit into their training. They’re like 30 years behind everyone else. Also
>guys MCMAP is le 2deadly4u best thing ever
>no sry I mean it’s only the basics
Most marines get like 2 weeks of MCMAP at boot. You could just take mma classes for a month and have double the training from higher quality instructors.

I’ll say this again. You’re a retarded teenager. You’ve probably never even been in a fight. Just shut the fuck up.
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>>116608
Based video. Go home everyone threads over
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>>116646
They don't even teach mcmap anymore dipshit. Was just using it as a reference for why palm strikes are taught/used in military and law enforcement. Why don't you stop sperging out while sucking mma dicks? Guess what the military/LEOs teach about that bjj shit, that you should never use it if you're alone. Lol. Dumbshit faggot talking about how they're just catching up when the truth is they've kept their distance from using bjj fag rolling because it's so situational and completely retarded to use if you're in the field by yourself. Aikido is 99% bullshit, and many departments bought into the meme way too much, this is true. But small effective joint locks/manipulation is still taught. Even Bjj has wrist locks you ignorant fag roller.
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>>116703
>>116646
To clarify, they do not teach the original mcmap program developed in the early 2000s and now the program is basically just an abridged mma course. Which makes your post even fucking dumber because mcmap as it is now, is mma you dumbass sperg.
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>>113693
What are you striking?
If its anything on a human that isn't the knee or elbow, a punch is better. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know how to fight, or they have bitch hands
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>>116703
>Guess what the military/LEOs teach about that bjj shit, that you should never use it if you're alone
No they don’t you fucking retard. You think cops don’t take people to the ground and arrest them when they’re by themselves? It literally happens all the time. I’m not even going to read the rest of your stupid fucking post because on this point alone I can tell all you know about fighting is shit you read on the internet. Go train, pussy.
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>>116705
>mma is a two week crash course in mma taught by people who would get rocked by any low level pro.
Cool glad we’re in agreement. Can you stop deferring to them as an authority on fighting now? Your so full of cognitive dissonance you will in one breath say “these are THE people to listen to” then in the next say “it’s just basic mma.” Which is it? Because the guys actually good at mma are punching each other, even in bare knuckle fights.
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>>113693
Punches and it's not close. Styles like Krav will swear by the palm strikes but in reality you're just going to fuck up your wrist.
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>>116608
good points, annoying faggot and ugly gf
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>>116707
Add headbutts to this.
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>>116734
I can see open-hand strikes being useful for looping shots without wraps - slapping someone when you throw a bare-knuckle hook. I can't see it being a stronger than a closed fist for straight punches.
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>>116759
I'm more of a grappler myself but I'd imagine if you're trained you'd have the accuracy to just nail someone on the chin. Boxers in particular seem very impressive with the accuracy training.
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>>116798
>link_gets_sick_of_navis_shit.gif
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>>116719
Not what I said fuck tard. Said they don't use fag rolling submission shit. Yeah cops arrest people 1v1 but you won't see them use fag rolling for that.
>>116720
Mma mma mma Jesus fucking Christ, take the dicks out your orifices. Competitive sports are not the end all be all use of martial arts. Excuse me for trusting the curriculum of people who use it to preserve their lives. Not queer modern day gladiators in spandex whoring themselves out worse than hookers.
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Could palm strike boxing work, Pancrase did it and it seemed effective. Just add palms, elbows, knees, front kicks, and headbutts. That would be devastating. What do you think guys? Would you do 'Palm Boxing?'
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>>116843
Didn’t read, you don’t train and you don’t fight. You’re literally a wannabe loser who probably isn’t even in DEP lol.

Now seethe
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>>116869
You could but why bother?
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>>116880
what if he doesnt seethe? you would look kinda dumb anon
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>>116882
its good? why bother with anything by that logic?
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>>116883
I already know he’s seething because he’s not actually a marine but desparetely wants to identify himself as being one.
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>>116885
who cares, you both are fags
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>>116884
What I mean is why bother when you can do all that but also punch people. You’re not making palm striking look better by artificially banning punches, only proving that they’re an inferior strike in most situations
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>>116887
what if you can slap the ear?
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>>116886
Whatever you say, samefag. Don’t forget to study for those regents exams lol.
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>>116889
What if you can punch the ear? Or the chin for that matter which puts people to sleep.
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>>116890
uh oh spaghettios
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>>116892
you can blow out someone's ear drum better with a cupped handed slap and knock off their equilibrium
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>>116893
K, fuck off then
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>>116894
Yeah dude and you can push their nose into their brain too
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>>116895
go lay down nigger
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>>116897
Do you often think about laying down with niggers?
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>>116896
are you trying to say that a tremendous amount of pressurized force being rapidly pushed through a tiny canal wouldn't damage the thin membrane?
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>>116898
no it means go lay down and do nothing because you're low energy and a total LOSER, like just go to bed and do nothing. the nigger part came after because ive realized you are pure Alabama Blue Gums
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>>116899
I’m saying that this is bullshido nonsense repeated by fat karate retards and never actually seen in real life.
>>116900
lol calm down
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>>116902
why dont you try slapping your own ear with a cupped hand and report to us what happens, cucumber
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>>116904
Why don’t you show it happening in a real fight video and then I’ll show you two of a guy getting knocked unconscious by a single punch for everyone you find

This thread is like a blast from the /asp/ past, king fu nerds speculating on shit instead of observing reality
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>>116905
why would i try slapping two guys over the ear?
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>>116907
>I can’t find a single example of this technique working in real life
>QUICK DEFLECT DEFLECT
lol
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>>116908
my real life example is trying it on yourself, you're trying to make the argument that clouting someone's ear isn't going to blow it out or at the very least damage it. sorry i don't have a thousand hours of /gif/ fight thread webms to post for you
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>>116911
I’m saying it’s retarded and you have better options. I’m sure headbutting your forehead into someone’s testicals would hurt them too but it’s still retarded. As far as the “disrupt their equilibrium and blow out their eardrums” shit is concerned unless you have an actual example of that ever happening even once, let alone consistently, relying on it in a fight on the street is completely fucking retarded.

Just sock them in the jaw. I can prove that that works without a doubt.
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>>116912
im doing whatever Bas told me to do
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>>116913
Bas punched people in the face too when he was allowed to.
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>>116916
why are you trying to make it sound like im saying punches are bad?
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>>116917
Because if you don’t think punches are better in every way in 90% of situations you’re dumb. There’s literally no reason to use a palm over a punch with very few exceptions. Shit like “cupping the ear to disrupt the equilibrium” is pure bullshido nonsense who are trying to sell you le sekrit ninja knowledge. Even in those situations where a palm would be better I’d argue that in most of THOSE situations a hammefist would be even better. The human hand evolved to strike with a closed fist.
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>>116919
k
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>>116885
Funny how you take me referencing just one of a multitude of military training programs that utilize palm strikes and infer that I must want to be a marine. Fuck that noise. It's equally ridiculous when you think I'm so hard up on the military when I have clearly stated it is just a job. At least I am being realistic about shit. I'm not sucking off the military like you blow mma bjj chuds. All I did was suggest there were some potentially brutal elements that get ignored in combat sports. Then you started sperging out about "muh mma."
>>116890
>>116893
>>116895
LOL what a fucking faggot. Maybe if you stopped sucking off fag rollers for a millisecond you'd stop making an ass of yourself.
>>116905
Says the faggot sperging the hardest in this whole fucking thread. No one else is even trying to argue that punching is ineffective. Even in my reference to MCMAP I was only pointing out the alternative uses for palm strikes.
>>116919
>pure bullshido nonsense
>more faggy buzzwords no one brought up
Look queer, I know this is hard for you to comprehend but there is a time and place for everything. Including palm strikes. Your faggot ass probably doesn't even know what a boxers fracture is or how ridiculously common it is, especially when punching without gloves. You can rant and rave all you want but you are talking about fighting in an extremely controlled environment with protective gear.

I wouldn't think I would need to spell it out like this but... There are other uses for your fucking hands! Yeah, crazy right? Any idea how fucking hard it is to accurately fire a weapon or perform any dexterous task with your hands when even just one of your metacarpals are broken? Do you know how long it takes bones to heal? Do you think a military fighting force is going to train retards to go hard at an enemy clad in protective armor with barefists or at best thinly gloved with little to no padding? No. Which is why they utilize palm stirkes. Just like every martial art does.
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>>116949
Tl;dr
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>>116949
you guys should meet up with each other and get into a fight and one of you uses palm strikes and the other guy uses punches, plz film it
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>>116608
wait. I thought palm strike were like...slaps.
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>>117028
No, you’re supposed to hit stiff with the heel of the palm
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>>117038
what's the explanation from a martial arts view because it looks like a good way to get your hand snapped back and find the back of your hand touching your forearm.
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>>117051
It is.
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>>117051
It is a good way to injure your hand which is why retards saying it’s “safer” than punching are retarded. However, assuming you do hit on target you’re less likely to injure your palm on someone’s head than your knuckles. It’s also less powerful, and has less range.
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Are sumo strikes more of a palm strike or a proper slap?
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>>117082
>>117051
>>117038
>>117028
https://youtu.be/Gm0SyEqc7ns
3:15
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>>113693
Professional fighters punch because it works.
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>>117108
And because they're wearing gloves + wrist wraps
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>>117233
Or just because it works, retard. I don’t know why armchair fighters think everyone’s hands are made of glass.
https://youtu.be/onjzFGkRHOU
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>>117244
>nuh cin palm strike hurt sf
>fingers am strung do
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>>117246
Are you having a stroke? Reminder that this is the kind of drooling retard who thinks punching in a fight is a bad idea
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>>117247
>stroke
>see: things I do with my fist
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>>117264
I hate ESL speakers so much.
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>>115669
At UFC 9 closed fist strikes were banned and palms de facto mandated like in pancrase. Every fighter just struck with fists anyway.
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>>116608
Not really.
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>>117279
how?
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>>117280
Most of it is bro science and speculation said with confidence.
The bio-mechanical arguments are off, and his conclusion in a secondary response video that people hit to hard when they don't wear raps and should just hit less hard is pretty retarded.
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>>117283
What about the part at 6:00 where he brings up palm strikes being less forceful by however much % than punches?
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>>117285
You really trying to get a point by point deep analysis of someone trolling for attention super hard?
Anyway, he compared a wrapped fist to a slap, not a palm strike.
Something I suspect that the video maker knows but being as inflammatory as humanly possible gets attention and views.
Then again I can post videos like this that have objective measurements and show otherwise.
https://youtu.be/YY2qPzR9Pfo
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>>117287
but do you have a 5/10 gf you can trot around as your 'buddy'?
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>>117287
>non mma trained fighter
>slaps with 280+ average

i will never punch again
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>>117287
holy



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