I am considering doing the Abramelin ritual. thing is, I am a Christian. Not a follower of Churchianity. I did some fair research into the occult and many various things throughout my whole life. I am going through a very shitty phase in life. I amassed load of wealth/goods due to financial freedom. But the more it got the more empty life becomes. Whatta surprise. So I asked and prayed yesterday to the Creator of all things. Yes, that prayer included Christ as well. Those who know will know why. So I asked for a sign and understanding of my undertaking is ok. I thought and hoped I will get some answer during my dream and sleeping phase. I think I did not get it there. I actually forgot what I was dreaming about. Had Ukraine and some travelling in it and I am sure it was not connected as I could not make any sense out of these topics. But when I went towards the garden there was a black cat inside of my garden. Which was very unusual and unique. It kept staring at my for a short while and then it jumped on the fence and vanished very quickly. I honestly don't know how to interpret this. Black cats are somewhat a mystery and the subject of many tales and folklore. Yet I wonder how to interpret it and what it could possibly mean. Any ideas?
Additional info: I have some very nerve wrecking issues with a family and two sisters in specific. I was wrongly advised in some financial issue and feel abused and mistreated. My mind really gets dark and inner hate and bad emotions arise. I wanted to get rid of it by doing a ritual to get rid of these thoughts and demons connected to it. As mentioned: I am a Christian. But I had experience with that ritual that is done with the water and rice. You know.. take three glasses and put in some water and rice. Same amounts. Go on regularly and say something very positive to one, something hateful and mean to the other and ignore the third. Do it on a regular basis. After some 10 days the positive will ferment and smell nice. The hateful one will stink af. But the one you ignore will rotten and get dark. Hence I wanted to put on the names of the individuals on a glass and was even thinking to attach a picture of them on the glasses that I considered ignoring. To get rid off these thoughts and the energy that comes with that relation we have. Then the black cat appeared in the garden. Please take this seriously and tell me what you think and know of black cats in general and in that very personal context I gave you. Thank you.
Why exactly do you want to do the Abramelin?
>>36492334I'm not sure what the black cat means, but they really are magical, my black cat is unlike any other cat I've known, he knows things, he is intune like no other animal I've known. One night someone broke into my house and left a rusty coffin nail with some hair wrapped around it that looked exactly like my hair. It was freaky as hell, with the coffin nail being a typically cursed item when left in such a manor I decided I better remove it from the house, just in case. My black cat followed me the whole way and even chose a place for me to bury it. It was like he actually understood the severity of the situation, so I believe he certainly is one magical cat. So if you're seeing a black cat it could potentially be protective and a warning not to do the ritual. I know people who have had their lives destroyed after doing the Abramelin ritual. I like to play on the safe side, so though I own the book I've always been too afraid to do the ritual after watching the lives of others crumble because of it. I don't know what the outcome for you would be, but everyone I know personally who did it regrets it. Be careful, things get really scary for some people.
>>36492486I want to purify myself, gain deeper understanding of the holy (and practical) knowledge and ultimately help/heal other people to serve the Most High in a more aware and purified state than I am now with conventional methods (i.e. praying).
>>36492334I would advise not messing with occult stuff.You might get a lot more than you bargained for.Also, doing rituals won't get rid of demons, it'll invite more in.
>>36492511our family know has a third cat. our first cat was black when I was a kid. I really loved him so so much. he was always by my side and I can never forget him. he drank out of the toilet and poisoned him. we went to the doctor to save him with an operation. when he got the injection he jumped towards me and I could see and understand the look in his eyes. he know he is going to die. so he did. I think many times of this and makes me cry. I cannot forget him. would you be so kind to elaborate a bit more in detail how the life of these who performed the ritual was ruined? did they finish the ritual the full 18 months? I have the german version as I live in Germany. on one side I might interpret the cat from today as some warning not to go into. on the other it might be a symbol of transformation that I would go through. currently life is pretty empty. that was not always the case. that "evolved" after life became "successful". but I guess my definitions were independence would help me to have a better life. in freedom doing all the things I love. but that vanished. It turned into amassing of things that just didn't bring the joy I had when life was a struggle.
>>36492534Dude, the Abramelin isn't exactly Christianity, whether exoteric or esoteric. It's conjuring magic fitted into a Christian-ish framework with bits of Kabbalah influences thrown in.
>>36492559many years ago I had already some experience that shaped my life. I was absolutely not into occult or magic(k) or whatever. I lived an ignorant life. then things one night became truly bizarre. Yes, I was doing drugs at the age of 25. smoked weed and little amounts of chemicals. that specific night my life turned upside down. it was the 23rd of December. I at one point was laying on my bed in the new flat I just moved in. there was chaos. loads of things. amongst other also some pen and paper. all of a sudden my right hand started to write things on that paper. It was not controlled by myself. the number it wrote down was a telephone number. then all of a sudden an inner voice told me to get rid of my cannabis. back then I considered weed to be my "Santa Maria". as mentioned, I was young an ignorant. but I followed the voice and flushed it down the toilet. then went on to call that number. it was a time of phone booths. once I called the number I was instantly somewhere else. vivid things happened there. load of things. it was more real than this world experience. at one point I woke up in the hospital and realised later I was 10 days in a coma. still have many questions. but it showed me there is more than that here.
>>36492598the question I am asking myself: what is Christianity these das anyways? as mentioned: I am not following Churchianity and my Christian Faith arised from studying the Bible or better said: all books whether Holy and Unholy. I went into many lengths and years into this study before ending up in some "successful" business life and there my journey paused. But now I am at a point where meaninglessness kicked in. Emptyness. And all these unanswered questions from my coma and life experience in general are arising again. Also I seek true purpose. A more practical one. One that speaks to me. Let's me understand by telling my also the dangers. So I ended up considering the Abramelin ritual as there are many parts eso and exoteric that differ from many other ritualistic themes. There is that thing where Christ said that many will come after him that will do bigger wonders than he did. I sense the time is soon considering how everything evolved these days.
>>36492576I'm sorry to hear about your cat, it's always painful to lose a good cat. I know 3 people who have done it, they all see things now. They've been physically assaulted by demons, with visible injuries. They can't sleep most of the time, or really eat very much. In all 3 cases you would think they'd suddenly developed schizophrenia, but they haven't. They did the ritual as intended and it's like the spirit world opened for them but it hasn't been a good thing. I have heard of people having good results, but only from the internet, when everyone you know personally wrecks their lives with it it's not something you can really endorse. Just think before you make a major decision is all I can say.
You will feel safer and more grounded if you get some psychiatric help. Reaching for a "ritual" is like seeking "gender affirming surgery". Does damage to you without healing anything.
>>36492726>implying psychiatrists know really what is going on in this world
>>36492796Compared to 4chan anons, yes, absolutely.
>>36492874I can imagine the answer: the black cat in your garden was pure coincidence. I would admit that if asking for a sign on a regular basis and then the cat turned up.. yea, coincidence. but I asked prayed yesterday and asked. then for the very first time the cat showed up. and by all respect: anons are also just a vessel for the spirits to speak.
Why would God help you when you're saying that you're some double-minded occultist?Pray the prayer in the image. Keep yourself pure from occult. May the Lord have mercy on your foolishness.Also a black cat is just a black cat.
>>36492898You have confused me with OP. No cat stories here.
>>36492901I would not consider myself a double mined occultist. I always thought that we should be wise as serpants and pure as doves. also: we should seek for understanding. so I guess reading and understanding the motifs, themes and practices are part of it. and yes, a black cat is a cat. the timing though was remarkable. especially considering the symbolism of a black cat. the prayer helped me. it's some more advanced wording that "just" the Lord's prayer. I thank you for sharing that prayer with me.
>>36492724Can you summarize what "doing the ritual as intended" means here? The only way I could see that happening is if they skipped straight to the spells without contacting their HGA first.
>>36492724I am sorry to hear what your friends experienced. I think that is some main issue in these sort of rituals: you may be enabled to see things you are not supposed to see during that experience. how did they try to "get rid" off these after effects? personally I have more from your comment than these experience videos on youtube. they seem very phony. and it's hard to believe that after gaining these insights one want to go public in any way.
The garden represents the things that remind you of God and the black cat represents your assets. The cat leaving means your wealth will go away for your benefit and the brief moment it sat upon the fence is your realization it does not bring you closer to God. Everything following is advice derived from what I know about you. Wealth unspent is not wealth but it's like the rotting water and rice you ignore. Charity should be given, in order of importance, to your family, to orphans, to the poor/sick, and to support prophetilization and pilgrimage. Everything is cursed except what reminds of us God.
>>36493090that's very profound. thank you a lot for the comment. and yes, the wealth unspent is rotten. I have to admit though that I do charity and help my family and friends whenever I can. and amongst them are also some friends that do not have much financial support if any at all. but your comment reminds me to be more aware of that as I tended lately to get too much into "myself" and the struggle, i.e. depression. what also came from the wealth was the realisation that some of those close to me took advantage of it. in a negative and disappointing way. so some contacts also departed due to this and it felt not good. to see some "other" side that was fully unknown to the certain point of realising it.
>>36493081They've tried all sorts to make it go away, nothing works, not even antipsychotics, that's why we know it's real. I'm just sat watching friends deteriorate. Part of me wonders if the people who promote the ritual on the internet have been asked to do so, to get other unsuspecting people to do it. I feel if the ritual was actually safe I wouldn't know people who had it go so wrong, and the people I know who did it don't even know each other, so it's not like they're orchestrating their answers.
>>36493696I'm starting to think you're just lying about them having done it, since you conspicuously avoided answering what your friends actually did as a part of the ritual. Again, can you summarize what you think the Abramelin even is?
>>36493696the promotion is truly suspicious. youtube is filled with many reviews what it did to them etc. but I am convinced that these who have done it and got some benefit/insight to it would absolutely not go public whatsoever. to what I know it would completely miss the point of the whole operation. once accomplished one is supposed to have powers beyond what we are currently capable of doing. why then go on youtube and brag about it? there would be way more things one would do and try not to raise attention. so I agree that these poublic "reviews" are just something to appeal cool and to lure people into the whole topic. let me ask? did they try to counsel God and in specific Christ? it would be also interesting to know WHAT the guardian angel told them, what their intention was in the first place and how the summoning of the demons and the temptations/attacks looked like or was described by them. you got some more infos here?
>>36493178I'm happy that you give in charity. God rewards us for our charity and every moment we wait in patience for its reward. People are obsessed with money and they anxiously hope for it, often to be given some analogy thereof which they fail to recognize, never to make more clear their own desires. The avarice and anger of people grabbing for what you have is a certain way of cleaning your life of ignorant people.>to other anonsIt's fine to pray for money, but it comes in many forms. If you want more fiat interest based monopoly currency pray for that and compare your pile only to those with a smaller one, speaking no ill of them, if you want to give more in charity pray for that and smile at people, if you want more valuable and special things pray for that and magnify what you have through the lense of gratitude.
>>36492534just take a shit ton of lsd.
>>36492598influences? the whole premise was that abraham the jew created the ritual for his second son as only the first son could receive the kabalah.
>>36492334No clue about the black cat OP. But I will tell you that you should probably know what you are doing before attempting the Abramelin Operation.If your only goal is attaining knowledge and conversation of the holy guardian angel, there are other less intense and demanding methods.I cant help you reconcile your faith with your desire to perform this ritual/interest in it. But most of the people offering advice from a Christian pov in this thread dont seem to have a clue what they are talking about, so pay them no mind. I will say that you need to have any sort of real doubts or fears squared away before starting an operation like this.I should also add, I have about 5 years experience in magic, mostly Solomonic and I have no problem saying that this ritual is too much for me. Not sure my life could withstand it.
>>36492511You can communicate with animals but they lack a soul and freewill. They are like a cave you shine a flashlight into and the shape of the cave makes more clear the way you are.
>>36492656>Also I seek true purpose. A more practical one. One that speaks to me.The meaning of life, and the purpose of everything alive, is to worship the One God, Creator, Recreator and Sustainer of all things. Any other purpose is wandering.
>>36493956>only the first son could receive the kabalahHow do you reconcile the story of Jacob and Esau?
>>36494113why would i? do you not understand what a parable is? do you know how to apply parables to high-physics encoding?
>>36493966thank you for your honesty and sharing your insight. can you elaborate what other ways there are to have a conversation with the holy guardian angel? I also wonder how there is one holy guardian angel for everyone vs. Christ for all who call him. as it is also written that he alone has the "keys" and the authority.
>>36494087and here comes the issue from that: how to worship. how to pray. it took me a while in study to come across that the Lord's prayer commonly know to be, I dare to say, false. there's the part of "do not lead us into temptation" which according to my understanding nullfies everything said and blindly repeated in the prayer. through the action it becomes nullified because the Creator would not in any try to lead us into temptation. there are other defined characters for that. it should be correctly "and lead us, so that we do not enter temptation". yet the vast majority of "Christians" repeat blindly and feel good about it. once confronted they really got angry with me because I dared to challenge the narrative. I think there is a lot wrong in Christianity, i.e. Churchianity. yet alone how to worship properly. I think it's in the actions we make. and not for the sake of display to the public so we feel "holy" about our actions.
>>36494126>biblical narrations are all parabalisticauthentic house slave
>>36494387>what other ways there are to have a conversation with the holy guardian angel?everyone has at least 4 accompanying them everywhere. speak outloud and your conversation begins.
>>36493845I agree it doesn't seem right to brag about it on the internet, that's what makes me doubt so much. Two of them were Christian to begin with, so they keep asking God and Christ for help, the third was more pf an occultist, but even they tried resprting to Christ and found no relief. I don't know what the guardian angel told them, they keep that to themselves and I don't like to push for information too much given how distressing the process has been for them. They talk about it when they want to and I listen and try to offer support where I can. They all had different motivations, but I honestly think the biggest link was too much curiosity and a desire for legitimate proof of something higher than themselves. The demon manifestations are different for all three, one goes to a place that seems like hell, they also see them in person. One mainly hears them, he never heard voices before and now they drive him to madness saying all sorts of things, he's been checked out for schizophrenia and he doesn't have it. The third sees them in real life, dreams and gets really bad sleep paralysis, which they never had before. With physical attacks they've all experienced being scratched, pushed and punched, these leave cuts and bruises.
>>36494449>how to prayOne thing is pretty consistent across cultures- isolation.
>>36493845If someone shares something bad that happened as a result of their bad actions with adjacent deeds that imply bad intentions their words are worthless when held in such context and you certainly shouldn't do what they do. Further, failure to relate the favors of God is generally a misuse thereof and once more the example of the sinful is to pass to time.
>>36494652that's some good advise. similar to the one Christ said that if you want to pray and establish a connection to the Creator go inside your room, close the door and open your mouth. hence implying there is no need for the churches as we know.
>>36494660thank you again so so much for the information shared. especially one phrase is resonating here a lot "legitimate proof of something higher". the proof part is crucial. the "normal" pray in isolation, i.e. speaking alone or in thoughts is supposedly so unspectacular and the workings that are done are very subtle in their buildup. even being aware of doing good things to others in life - there is something "missing". some bigger adventure. visions. a voice. or higher powers to actually do something more purposeful than giving away money or so. that's inna way what drives most towards the Abramalin Operation. purification and obtaining deeper practical knowledge and "skills". it's sad to read about how your friends have problems and can't fix them. but it's a good warning that gives me more awareness about the whole issue.
>>36494766yes. I fully agree and am aware of. isolation is the key. that's why the Operation is so intriguing. locking away oneself for 18 months for the pure purpose of actually having some direct conversation in person is so appealing. but the demon part is something that really makes it dangerous per definition. but as one anon said: there should be fully awareness of this and the consequences thereof. this thread is really helping me a lot into the thoughts and considerations I have regarding this whole issue.
>>36492334black cats dont bring bad luck, thats just correlation with witches and witchraft on antiquity. they are probably magical though. wait if the cat comes back, if it looks friendly or not, and see what it does.
>>36494652I do wonder though why there are some additional 4 angels when there is Christ as the main source to call upon? many many years ago shortly after I had that terrible accident and coma experience I had these dreams where I was leaving the body. not much. I felt like I was leaving it just inches into some "beyond". it was a very painful feeling and usually I woke up very quickly afterwards. one time I even had this experience that I was physically hurt by something next to my bed and I had bruises on my arm. that happened some times. when I woke up I had this feeling of "something was there". I turned on the light and I was very awake. after some years passed by this happened very rarely, but it did nevertheless. it was creep af. then I came across various reports of alien abductions/demon attacks. and some reports that when the people during these attacks called upon the name of Christ, it stopped. then some years ago it happened again. and I did call upon Christ. and it stopped. no presence felt. at one point these dreams/attacks stopped completely.
>>36494832wise words. I have this issue that when I do something good or give away money for something good to help. I do not think about it. it's the moment I do it and then expect nothing back nor think about it. in many instances it actually brings trouble because it shows different behaviour of these people. they want more. want to take advantage. that I am fully aware of then. but the real good things are somewhat gone in my awareness. which then brings me to these moments of doubt I guess... or let's not say doubt: but for more purpose. abilities. insights. the more I think of.. it's some sort of expectation to go next "level". but who am I to expect and demand I just think.
>>36495035If someone wanted to force you to do something wrong they'd strike you until you did. Jesus is in our hearts and always present in the turning of our hearts through the grace of our Creator who alone recreates through the hands of whoever He pleases and parallel are the deeds of Jesus to the will of God. I would ask Jesus to ask of our Father and only in my heart where he hears me the clearest.>>36495075Don't have expectations of God- have hope derived from revelation and the inspiration from God that is every moment.
>>36492615You called a number from a phone booth and teleported somewhere else? Wassup Neo
>>36495517thank you so much. this is truly helpful what you wrote. I feel I lost somewhat track but this thread and the many impulses I was allowed to receive make me much more aware of what I want to do and what (better) not.
>>36495910not teleported. as I was in a frenzy state for me it felt after dialing the number I was somewhere else, yes. the parts missing was that I fell some nearby spot down and hit my head very badly. was some 5m fall. to this day I have no idea how I would get there and why. but then again: I had automatic writing and some very articulate voice that was speaking with me. now I know I was deceived and tricked by some entity while I was very ignorant about life and spirituality in general. my family was told that if I wake up from coma I would be a case that would need fulltime care. did not happen. I had loads of health issues. broken spine, did not hear on one side, paralyzed thumbs amongst others. after 6 months I was recovered in a way I could not believe. I could hear again and my spine needed not to be further operated. health recovery was hard to believe that it actually happened so quick. dealing with the stuff I have seen keeps coming back again and again. there are plenty of details, vision and things I have seen. still cannot make sense out of a lot.
>>36496260Your mind is like a collection of tall standing stones with holes in them that whistle in the wind. Your heart is what hears it, sees it, and understands it. Only children memorize meanings, uprighting their stones, and adults take advice- chiseling their stones to make them sing more beautifully for God.
>>36492334Christ is all you need. You can't deal with your problems using sorcery. You'll only separate yourself further from Christ and invite demons into your life. All the spectacular, all the fantastic, all the superlative whimsical life which those who seek the occult wish for can only be found in Christ. But what it requires is nothing less than absolute surrender, and this is why so few have it, and even those who get it don't always keep it. Yet the gifts and call of God are without repentance. A blessing and a source of fear, for the Lord will judge us all on what we've done with our gifts and our time. Throw away worthless fantasies, young man. Don't waste your time on anything. Spend your life for Christ and keep your heart holy. It belongs to Him. It is His temple. Don't sully the mind's eye even, but bring every thought captive and subject it to Christ.
>>36496804what a great way to wake up reading this. thank you so much.
>>36492334For the english, I don't know in other anglo countries, the black cat is auspicious while the white cat is unlucky (it is the color of the bones).
>>36498768yes, I think so too. I was wondering yesterday but many things were clear in the end. I stumbled upon some random videos I was watching and one phrase really struck me hard: you can't control demons. on the other side I think too: for those born into families with generational occult practice background I am sure there is also a way out of it by the power and authority of Christ. and you are right on this ojne: those who get it don't always keep it. I feel that I many times was "on track" and yet... somehow lost it and came back. the getting lost is getting significantly sophisticated in its trickery. but before going to sleep I poured out my thinking, faults and inner feelings about the past times that passed and led my astray. realising the many mistakes and the pride of my behaviour. I surrendered once again in repentance and it felt good. I have to admit that before doing so I felt a bit uncomfortable in my house. sensing that something is off and that many were waiting to be invited in. but now it's different. I have to stay on track. the spiritual realm is very real. so are demons. that fantastical realm is something I experienced many times. and the most striking was the coma experience. it was the realest and scariest thing I ever experienced. but trying to make sense out of it or... to control it... it's not up to me. I think I am not ready nor allowed to do so. and that's ok. I do very much thank also these who shared their experiences of practicing the occult and the warnings they gave. I do not judge. for judgment is done by someone else.
>>36492724There is also an English translation of the new translation (18 months)
>>36492656Well, if you really feel like doing, good luck and don't half-ass it like Crowley did. If you want K&C of your HGA, there's plenty of different ways to do it. But, if you're gonna do the Abramelin, do the Abramelin right.>>36493956Every grimoire has a narrative story weaved in to provide a backstory. I don't take them literally. I'm not so sure that the original author was a mequbbal.
>>36498768>>36500462If you keep worshipping Jesus wAllahi I will kill you, I will kill your family, I will kill anyone that stands between us. I will permanently cut your soul off from the world and it will leave your body like a collection of fish hooks pulled from your anus. Worship your God, not a man who prostrated to Him. Jesus cannot protect you from the visage in your mind and it will meet you if you don't WORSHIP. ONLY GOD.
>>36502270hello abdullah. so there's a problem with the whole trinity concept, right? three different and independent concepts cannot be One, ah? Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, right? But you would agree humans are made in the image of the Creator. let me give you this advice abdul: >you have the flesh/body>also you have emotions/feelings>then you have your thoughts and you concienceyet all these three make you one. I do not wonder that you have hatred and that kind of things you say. after all, the islamic god is the greatest of all deceivers. check your surah 3:54. and not to mention the many passages that tell you that once the islamic deity you call god leads you astray, he can't bring you back on track. so good luck. may Christ have mercy on your foolishness.
>>36502270and keep drinking that camel piss
>>36500490>>If you want K&C of your HGA, there's plenty of different ways to do it.What alternative methods and books would you recommend?
>>36492334>I am considering doing the Abramelin ritualWhy? I expect you are are larping but there are two main things to consider.1) it takes ages2) what evidence do you have that something that takes so much effort works? It’s zero right.There are better ways to spend your time. This grimoire has better translations now but there is nothing to back it up as actually being worth the effort.
>>36503193>I expect you are are larpingno I am not. but obviously you have not read the thread. that's ok anon. regarding the translation: I can speak and understand german. so I do not need any translations in general. but many anons here have given mit quality responses, time and effort. I am very grateful that they were willing to share their thoughts from various angles. I feel way much better now and many good points were made.
>>36503265I read the thread. Your posts got worse and worse. If you aren’t larping great.There’s still no reason to waste any time on this.
>>36503326worse in what sense? elaborate.
>>36502531>made in image of GodThis is probably an authentic portion of the widely fabricated bible and it's often misinterpreted. God created us with attributes he, glorified and exalted is his name, has the quintessential examples of. This is so we can be aware of him. You wouldn't recognize intelligence if you were always stupid.>ayah 3:54If one of us do worship a demon and are deceived isn't it God that allows it to happen to us, and gives us rope in straying? God ordains all affairs, there's no cancer, murder, or deceit except by his grace, free is he of all slander. Is it that YOU attribute to a demon the attribute of creator?>camel pissMuhammad, may he be drawn close to God, once walked past farmers pollinating their date palms. Asked why they did that and stated "I don't think it will help". The next year, when their harvest was significantly reduced they came to Muhammad and told him what happened. He stated roughly "follow me in matters in religion but in matters of the world I am a man like you". If you do not take this advice concerning prophets partake in the actions your scholars attribute to the prophets.>have sex with married women and give them children like David>disobey direct commands of God like Jonah refusing to go to Nineveh>lie to your parents with very detailed and elaborate lies like Joseph did to Jacob>curse things that don't benefit you like Jesus
>>36505251>Joseph did to JacobJacob did to Isaac, rather.
>>36492334>>36492334PLEASE read this thread fully before you move on and to the ritual OP. It may slightly change your outlook on life... or not. >>36487918
>>36505317>transcribing "uhhh"He's a faggot.
OP, I have read your whole thread. My main takeaway from all of it is that you want to do the operation to have some definitive experience with the spiritual, beyond all doubt. This operation is very well-known as being extremely demanding, difficult and also opaque since many things can happen halfway, like the friend in the thread related that his three friends are now high functioning schizophrenics because of it. Think about this logically: instead of doing this very difficult thing where even very experienced people get lost in it, why not search for easier ways to have a "definitive" connection with the spiritual? Why must you start your mountain-climbing career by climbing the Everest? Get it? Try an easier challenge first. There are many things you can do to have a contact with the spiritual.The most popular spiritual discipline nowadays is astral projection. Why not try this first? I can absolutely assure you that it is very real. You can discover many worlds out there and grow in wisdom and skill before you try anything more demanding.
>>36505685Astral projection is a very advanced practice. However I would recommend Ophiel.
>>36492334U want to do silly rituals because u listen to Satan too much instead of reaching out to Jesus Christ. If u do this ritual then u will accumulate karma and I don’t care. Only reason I replied is so I can shit on u for asking stupid questions. The answers u are looking for are in the Bible and u are asking anons how u should live your life. Sad as fuck.
>>36506796Forgot the scum tag. My bad. I’m a big fat phony
TFW jew convinces u to do cat voodoo and u gain the burden of being rounded up on Halloween. Sick embodiment bro.
>>36492334I had a black cat growing up, loved the little guy. One time a maid cut some of his whiskers to do some black magic, a few weeks later she got run over and lost both legs, died not long after. Shouldn't have messed with him. He visited me in dreams a few times after he died at 19y of age, even woke me up from nightmares.
>>36505251>If one of us do worship a demon and are deceived isn't it God that allows it to happen to usso to dig in deeper: yes, I agree on this one here. so before we have been, we have been not. then we entered this framework of duality as we are currently in. duality. both exist in the same space as we experience. imagine being born in a framework from nothing into singularity state of existence. it would be worth nothing. we could not be able to understand nor appreciate it. it would be rigid. so with all what exists out there in our and the spiritual realm is sort of necessary to get us to the state of singularity we choose by our actions and the understanding thereof. meaning: our feelings. we know when we did right. and know when we did wrong. but have certain mechanisms to fool ourselves. ever dreamed of killing someone? waking up and knowing it was just a dream? during our dream we know it felt wrong. and awakening we are happy that it was just a dream. why salvation? because of 0-2 to become 1.
>>36505317I will read it.
>>36505685I agree. it is demanding. yes. on the other side: it takes "away" many of the known core concepts of rituals. which might be the deception to get one into in the first place. I think I experienced astral projection. but somewhat was hindering me. I just was able to go some inches and it felt terrible. and to be clear: I had no idea what astral projection is before it happened. it was just this feeling of getting inches out of my body and some massive forces stopped me getting into it. was it Christ? my understanding that there is ONE Creator of all there is? I had this understanding very quickly in my life. it's the only logical thing of all there is. that there is ONE Creator. but who he is. where to find him. I never knew. I agree though: it felt very intense. and that coma experience of mine felt the realest that was. although while happening it made no sense. it felt like being forced into various threatening scenarios. I was not able to run away. physics were turned upside down. and all felt real although my "knowing of here" did not apply. and while in these forced scenarios... at one point the string were detached. but I had to choose. depending on the scenario at hand. and it was only yes or no options. no grey zone. and the bulid up was intense. and after the choice the string were attached again and the new scenario was forced upon me. that was the realest ever felt. also: I felt that there is a massive battle going on. one very liquid. and one about everything.
>>36506796>and u are asking anonsall anons here. no matter "what side" they are on are speaking through the spirts that guide them. wether holy or unholy is irrelevant. "the" Bible has many editions. errors. it's a hardline mentality to only refer to the Bible. be wise as serpants, remember? seek for understanding, remember? love your enemy, right? but why is he your enemy? understand what influenced him to become your enemy. how else would you be able to truly love him by understanding what influenced him to become your enemy. so just reading blindly "only" Bible does not really apply to me. for some it might. but not to me. and besides: "just" reading whatever will not help at all is my opinion.l
>>36507819I miss my first and black cat. I miss him so much. he never visited me in dreams. All I remember is that look in his eyes knowing that he will die there at the doctor after the injection. I feel you anon.
>>36509249nothing matters but the pleasure of God and worshiping him. we cannot say why God does anything unless he tells us. in sin and repentance we do more good than if we never acted upon a single impulse to sin. God is forgiving and loves to forgive- he is one without individual entities.