can anyone redpill me on baal, canaanites, moloch, etc? is it true baal and yhwh are the same thing?
No it isn't, you think these gods would have overthrown people who worshipped YHWH if they even existed but they didn't and Abrahamic religion rules the entire world
>>35940760Don't know but baal was a title. I think it means lord? Somewhere in the ot the peoples are reprehended for worshipping the baals, in plural. So it wasn't just one baalThere's another Bal who is the same as God, though
>>35943171>Somewhere in the ot the peoples are reprehended for worshipping the baalsYou notice that there are Israelites in the OT who are named Baal too. Very confusing stuff. But I think because people started worshiping those Baal gods back then they named their children after them too. And Moloch/Molech is referred to in the same kind of negative way as another false god that was worshipped that is implied not to be YHWH/the Lord God of Israel but I really don't know for sure. You could say that worship starts with Solomon and his many foreign wives persuading him into these beliefs. But really you can go back to Moses on the mountain and the people worshipping the golden calf while he was away
Baal is a demon who ancient people worshipped, falsely believing that he was a god. YHWH is the one true God.Anyone else who tells you otherwise is schizo
>>35944170ok where does the star of david come from in any religious text
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>>35940760Moloch is a ba'al, not Ba'al Peor etc.. Judah's King Josiah waged a (un)holy war to destroy the populist religion of Judah, and it wasn't YHWHist! There were 2 times it was destroyed by Judah's YHWHist Cult kings. The 2nd time Josiah became king was when he was a child and was raised and tutored by the High Preist of - YHWH. He would go on to use his army to cut down any Asherah (YHWH's wife) tree that had an "idol" under it which was almost all of them and broke any Ba'al statues he found; he destroyed any traces he found of Ba'al Peor and destroyed their Groves and High Places (temples), and did a lot of "cleansing" (killing) to bring Judah back to the now fully Monotheistic, Royalist, and YHWHist Monopoly. the Bible was re-edited to remove any reference to pre-existing beliefs in "the Elohim", and the council of the gods led by - the old YHWH. A "lost" book of the Law was miraculously and most conveniently found, and he used to "reform" the laws. "Reform" carries the connotation of "better", but it isn't it's just a fancy word for "change".What happened to Ba'al [Peor, Hammon, etc]? He had a widespread cult (sect) and when the Romans conquered Carthage and took over the ME, they blended him with Iupiter to create Iupiter-Ba'al. They built a temple for him in Palmyra Syria, sans human sacrifice. The ISIL terrorist vandals dynamited it, but a copy of the Arch of Iupiter-Ba'al was created, and the replica of the temple gate was an exhibit that made its way to London, New York, and Washington D.C. He is a warrior/hero-God, whose Mythology is the Ba'al Cycle'. In that Mythology, YHWH is his brother/ Enemy Mot, the god of disease and death - AKA YHWH! YHWH is a Ba'al who was divorced from Him by the YHWHist kings and priests, in Babylon YHWH was transformed into the one Jewish God.
>>35944170Only fools and fanatics are Certain.
>>35944246By all accounts, aren't Ba'al, Moloch, and YHWH just interpretations of the earlier Phoenician/Canaanite patron-diety that split up as the tribes did? Every tribe had the same concept, only that they were actually "God's" chosen and destined to rule Canaan. I honestly see no difference between them besides tribal or ethnic alignment. They all come from the same pantheon, like the different sects that existed in Egypt, Greece, and the Steppe.
>>35944246This is the best tldr I've seen so far, and I'm caught up on most of this.Now how does this tie in Orion and Saturn worship, Dagon and the Vatican, and the current times
>>35940760All roads point to Lucifer. He has a 1000 names.
>>35943432>Moloch/Molech is referred toHere's a one for you: find it referred to anywhere else in the ancient world (primary sources only). it's a fictional god
>>35944170>YHWH is the one true God.>Anyone else who tells you otherwise is schizoWow am I glad for freedom of religion & separation of church and state
>>35944569Notice the Abrahamist flip: these fuckers will do anything to totalize your headspace and erase the myths of your ancestors. Their power is falling. Don't fall for it again.
>>35944634You even took up the tent of Moloch and the star of your god Raiphan, models of them which you made for yourselves.—Amos 5:26And thou shalt not give any of thy seed to set them apart to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.—Leviticus 18:21Then did Solomon build a high place for Chemosh the detestation of Moab, in the mount that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech the detestation of the children of Ammon.—1 Kings 11:7For a hearth is ordered of old; yea, for the king [melek] it is prepared, deep and large; the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.—Isaiah 30:33>inb4 the bible is a single sourceIt's a collection of different sources, which corroborate the same thing.
>>35944653>anywhere elsetry again
>>35940760I have often wondered the same. The fact you are even asking shows you are on the right path, and looking at things beyond the surface level that most people can go a whole lifetime without even questioning.Obviously if you just go off the bible they are different. But when you examine the bible from an esoteric perspective and compare aspects of Yaweh to other ancient deities, some striking similarities arise.The name for instance, ya, yah, Jehovah , el, Elohim etc. The best I can figure it, he is an amalgamation of other gods from that time period. Look into Canaanite gods, and Phoenician ones. Look into the lunar aspects of ancient Judaism...
>>35944658They have been obsessing over their "burnt offerings" for a long time.
>>35940760>Until the late 19th century most of the information about pre-Hellenistic Syria and Palestine came from the Hebrew Bible and from various Greek and Latin sources.>While the Hebrew Bible was largely completed by 300 BCE, its attitude toward contemporary religions of the area was generally quite hostile, so that its references to these religions may not only devalue them but also exaggerate or distort various aspects of them. On the other hand, Israelite religion was itself an outgrowth of, as well as a reaction to, the religions of its neighbours, so that many features of Israelite religion found in the Hebrew Bible exemplify the religions of the larger area. The only sure guide to making such discriminations is the knowledge gained from indigenous documents.
>>35940760>Greek and Latin sources may be less hostile, but they are also much later, from the Roman period. While they may be more reliable in their description of the contemporary character of the religions of the area, that character may have been significantly different after several centuries of Hellenism from what it had been even in the middle of the preceding millennium. Notable among the Greek and Latin sources are De dea Syra (“About the Syrian Goddess”) from the 2nd century CE, attributed to Lucian of Samosata, and the section of Eusebius of Caesarea’s Praeparatio evangelica (“Preparation for the Gospel”; 4th century CE) that cites extracts from a history of Phoenicia by Philo of Byblos (c. 100 CE); Philo himself claimed to be translating the work of an early Phoenician priest, Sanchuniathon. While indigenous sources now confirm isolated elements of this allegedly early description of Phoenician religion, its distortions also have become more demonstrable. Philo’s history is in fact an attempt to recount early Phoenician history by constructing a systematic chronological sequence of events out of the various local traditions of his time and interpreting the latter euhemeristically—that is, by treating gods and myths as representative of historical individuals and events.>Beginning in the late 18th century, the finds of early explorers of the area and subsequently of archaeologists engaged in more systematic excavation have produced a rapidly increasing number of firsthand sources. Successive generations of epigraphers and philologists have deciphered the texts and attained an increasingly sophisticated understanding of the languages. Unfortunately, the texts that are best understood tend to be formulaic and yield only the most external kinds of information about the religion, while the more distinctive texts, which seem more interesting and promise to be more revealing, are usually more difficult to penetrate.
>>35940760>Cuneiform archives from various 2nd-millennium sites and from the 3rd millennium at Ebla in northwestern Syria provide some documentation of the religion. The most abundant documentation comes from the 14th- and 13th-century remains of the city of Ugarit (modern Ras Shamra), on the Mediterranean coast of Syria. This includes the only native examples of extended religious narrative. It also comprises the widest range of genres, including myths, legends, liturgical texts, god lists, omens, and correspondence.>From the 1st millennium come scores of Phoenician inscriptions, both from the Phoenician coast and from other areas of the eastern Mediterranean; neo-Hittite hieroglyphic inscriptions and Aramaic inscriptions from northern Syria, almost all from the 9th and 8th centuries; and Moabite, Ammonite, and Hebrew inscriptions. These are very limited in genre, and relatively few are more than a few lines long.
>>35940760Comsider this image. Think about it. The old deity of a desert people, the creator God. Do you think they share more than just the name? Do you believe that the thing that is the beginning of itself, lord of all, the initial creator is a war god and not the concept-spirit that had been known under many possible names for at least 7k years? Do you think that beggars and savages taught the men of highest civilisation of the time, full of mages and wise men about the true god and not the other way around?
>>35940760>Uninscribed materials from excavated sites throughout Syria and Palestine supplement the picture: they include the foundations of temples, temple furnishings, figurines, images of gods and their emblems, and scenes of gods, myths, and religious activities on reliefs and seals. However, criteria for identifying religious materials have not always been carefully considered, nor has discriminating attention been given to the question of the reflection of religious life in material remains in general. It is often difficult to correlate with confidence written and unwritten materials.>In spite of these new and ever-growing sources of knowledge, the resulting picture is still very irregular. While there is an unparalleled variety of sources, covering a century and a half, from the large cosmopolitan city of Ugarit, other written materials give a much more limited picture. For many periods, areas, and topics there are no written remains. Descriptions of the religion of any one period or area (with the exception of Ugarit) are extremely limited and superficial. Generalizations about the religions of Syria and Palestine may well prove to have significant exceptions as some of these gaps are filled by new discoveries.
>>35940760Yes Baal and Yahweh are the same being and Yahweh is also Marduk and Marduk is also Baal etc. Yahweh is one of the "50 names of Marduk". Marduk was an Anunnaki. He was a flesh and blood creature who lived 20,000+ years and is now dead from old age. He was not all powerful."El" and "Yahweh" in the Bible are two separate gods who Christians/etc ignorantly think are one god. El is the all powerful god who created the Earth/etc. Yahweh is a very evil flesh and blood non-human Anunnaki creature, 12+ foot tall.
>>35943171This. Baal is a title not a name. El, is ruler of the Elohim. Yahweh is someone completely different. Yahweh is an Elohim. An Elohim is an angle. Elohim is not "God". Elohim is a plural word (look it up). There are many Elohim.
>>35944225The Star of David is not real. What you are seeing today is the Star of Remphan, they lie to you calling it the Star of David. The Star of Remphan is the family crest of The Rothschild family.
>>35944246Moloch is not a god but a device. A non-sentient device used by the gods to harvest souls. A tool.
>>35943171Yes, Baal is a title. The Phoenicians, or Carthaginians, used it to signify a man who leads: Baal Hammon. We, the Roman descendants referred to it as Imperator, or Caesar/Kaiser.
>>35944634In the ancient texts Moloch, and the context of a Brass Bull being used as a device of worship with faith being demonstrated through the Pagan belief of sacrificing the body in fire in order to both purge & release the spirit, Moloch worship seems to have A LOT in common with the Cult of Mithras, and how they boil children alive in a giant brass bull with a pit of fire lit underneath. The worship itself isn’t evil, but their God(s) require(s) not only human sacrifice, but for those humans to also be children, so the ritual becomes a symbolic Sacrifice of Innocence to humiliate Life.
>>35940760>is it true baal and yhwh are the same thing?yes
the best thing i've ever read about moloch> https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/
>>35945165>Cult of MithrasExcept Mithras kills the bull with the assistance of his dog while the scorpion snaps at its balls; he doesn't sacrifice children to it! Mithraism is a religion for adults, usually military officers, and doesn't involve family worship or sacrifice
No. YHWH and Baal are not the same thing. In the Bible, Baal is used as plural "Baals" so it seems to mean a title rather than a singular entity. The hebrews were attracted to other religions mainly because of the partying which is generally frowned upon in their faith. They would sincretise YHWH with caananite Gods in order to mix with the people who already lived there. Plus they came from egypt so they already had a huge boner for polytheism
>>35947955nice link anon, very nice read.
>>3594076085% of it is biblical fanfiction. Just like Dante and Mormonsim.
>>35944244>>35944261>>35944639>>35944652>>35944658>>35945133>>35945138No YHVH or YHWH in the One True Gad that created all other gods. All these people are of the serpent seed or doing the bidding of them, aka useful idiots
>>35940760Sure. They were the Phoenecians, descended from quite large, stout, and intelligent breed of human. The last living remnant of which was on the Canary Islands and only killed off recently via the Spaniards (of course) in the 1800s (or 1700s, can't remember). There's pyramids on the canary islands btw, same as those found wherever the Canaanites sailed.Carthage was their last surviving remnant, a shadow of their past but oh well.Rome wiped them out (except for the Canary islands bros) during the Punic wars.The Canaanites and Druids were very similar to each other in beliefs and practices.Rome wiped both out.There's some stones in the Northeast U.S with inscriptions from Phoeneicans/Canaanites/Carthaginians.https://ancientamerica.com/bourne-stone-gives-evidence-of-early-atlantic-crossing/In regards to Baal, at the end of the day all the Gods and Goddesses (and angels) are the same things with different names all branching from the one ultimate God (Source, whatever you want to call the un-nameable)They were big ass mofos, just look at depictions of the ancient Canary Island guys.
