For those of you who unfortunately have reached your 30s, you have finally discovered that the longer you fight and hold onto to (You) the harder it all gets... Many of you will discover this at a much sooner age these days, so your input is greatly welcomed as well.What has primarily helped you persevere until now? Spiritual enlightenment? Existential philosophies? Hermetics? Alchemy? Black/white magick? Synchronicities? Creative self-expression? Secret societies and/or ancient mysteries? Drugs? Jesus?Consider this a wide-open philosophical post where we can hopefully self-reflect and help other anons in need. Thank you.
>>35940709not looking at gay pornit's tricky as long as don't get a bent on
>>35940709Hermetics and seeking good values. Though I know there is no true Good here.
>>35940709For me it's a lack of trust. I have almost no faith in the vast majority of humans around me to do what is right, so I have to take it on myself.
>>35940723That's wonderful advice for the masses here, but surely you've got more bones to share?I'll give an example; my Grandmother was everything to me in life and despite that she is gone, I'd rather NOT do anything to disappoint or hurt her in any way.. If you valued someone that is now gone, consider their memory even more reason to be good to others.. and yourself.
>>35940751The Good is not just in (You)... it IS (You), anon...Trust me, I've lost everything in my life and my life is the worst nightmare I ever could have imagined back in my happy days... but if we aren't still here to be the example, what examples would there be?
Are we all that fucked up?
>>35941102Care to give us a little spritz there, share bear??Rosicrucian? Masonic? Islamic? Kabbalah?
>>35940813There is no Good here without Evil. Nature, the Yin/Yang. That is why I say there is no True Good here. That can only be found within the Mind.>Because what is God? The immutable or unalterable Good.>Nothing good upon Earth, nothing evil in Heaven.
>>35940763Trust is my biggest challenge. Each time I beat my own distrust and start believing in/supporting someone, they stab me in the back and try to ruin me. Why should I bother overcoming distrust if it repeatedly proves its validity?
>>35940709>What has primarily helped you persevere until nowSmoking drugs and the chance of getting laid in the futureIn terms of spirituality, I have explored many paths superficial and found all of them to be lacking. These days I’m just trying whatever mental exercises I consider most useful to awaken a very high state of awareness that I’m hoping will allow me to retain some consciousness after I die
>>35941224not giving up is the clava
>>35941224What frustrates me is I think some spiritual practices work for some people but not for me. The few I’ve found success with are more mechanical and don’t make me feel peace.
>>35941164What you are describing is dualism... which is quite literally the act of justifying evil. The same argument that many use to justify all types of hedonistic and vile behavior... "I have the right to do it because I have the choice not to"A horse wouldn't have a vagina if you couldn't fuck it either, right?
>>35941258What exactly do you mean by "success" if it does not bring you peace...?Perhaps you have already done much spiritual work, but have never acknowledged or realized it yet... Moral aptitude alone is a great deal of spiritual work, anon... Don't knock yourself too bad.
>>35941279By "success" I mean "better equipped to confront evil, nurture what little good there is, and manage nihilism." I feel I'm beginning to become a man, someone "decent," but I feel nauseous 24/7 and more calloused than I wish I needed to be. Still, thank you, sweaty. What brings you peace? Do you feel unwell or dissatisfied in general?
>>35940709I’m in my 30s now and can’t offer much advice. My life went downhill when I was 27. Quit my job, lost my girlfriend/ fiancé, lost my best friend, ended up a NEET until around Covid. All of these were self inflicted when I quit my job and thought I would simply get another one. When it didn’t work out it all snowballed. The only good thing that I got out of all of it was the solitude. I learned to be comfortable on my own. I am fine when completely by myself whether in the outdoors or in a city. However… The need for companionship is strong and I think I’ll try again but it’s going to be a lot tougher than at 25-26 years old. I just know now who I am and what I am. I know mostly what I want and what I’m truly interested in and what I’m not. I’m comfortable with the fact I am aging and will become decrepit and eventually die. At 25 I thought myself Superman and now I know better. Hermetica, artistry, wine tasting, avoidance of Cooming, and the occasional good company have helped center me. I can’t say that those things will center anyone else. We are all so different. All I can say is struggling can leave you broken or it can create a better you, don’t seek it out but if it happens embrace it and learn from it. Be well and accept that life has its stages frens.
>>35940709Having been exposed to so much bullshit that I simply don't care because I know what I'm dealing with. It's another case of "ah, this shit again".
>>35941327>By "success" I mean "better equipped to confront evil, nurture what little good there is, and manage nihilism." I feel I'm beginning to become a man, someone "decent," but I feel nauseous 24/7 and more calloused than I wish I needed to be.You are doing MUCH more than MOST, my friend.. this is exactly what spiritual work is.. "Internal alchemy" with an existentialist mindframe.>What brings you peace? Do you feel unwell or dissatisfied in general?I have literally lost everyone and everything I once loved; a life where I had everything I wanted and was happy..The one thing that still brings me peace is knowing that I never changed. Despite all the bullshit, hell, and humiliation, I never let it change me... So long as I still have and am ME, nobody will ever take away the many great feats I've done... all that kept me true to myself.
>>35941340Good perspective, grandpa. If you don’t mind my asking, what happened with your friend and fiancé? What did your NEET day to day look like?
>>35940709>What has primarily helped you persevere until now? Spiritual enlightenment? Existential philosophies? Hermetics? Alchemy? Black/white magick? Synchronicities? Creative self-expression? Secret societies and/or ancient mysteries? Drugs? Jesus?being demoralized is illogical and pointless
>>35941340how the fuck can you be 30 and lose your best friendone of the two isn't mentally 30 did he join a church or some shit
>>35941340OP here and in a nutshell, all of what happened to you is exactly what happened to me.. You have an awesome attitude none the less and I greatly appreciate you sharing. Godspeed, many blessings towards righteous endeavors, and thank you!
>>35941372>I never changedThat’s a good anchor. Realizing “you” exist and aren’t going anywhere makes taking risks and experimenting easier because you understand you’ll always have your self in the end.
>>35940709>Spiritual enlightenment? Existential philosophies? Hermetics? Alchemy? Black/white magick? Synchronicities? Creative self-expression? Secret societies and/or ancient mysteries? Drugs? Jesus?None of these things. All they do is obscure reality>you have finally discovered that the longer you fight and hold onto to (You) the harder it all getsI don't really know what you mean. Are you saying as you get older you become more brainwashed? I would argue it's the opposite really. Honestly you're not even human until you're in your 30s. I barely used to think in my 20s compared to now at 40.
>>35941410Amen to that... I really do believe the greatest human conflict today is to avoid losing oneself as a child and developing into an alternative persona/avatar.Take highly superficial celebs like Kim Kardashian, or "body transformists", facial tattoos, people who say "I am an XXXXX", etc etcThese people clearly do not see their true selves in the mirror, right? At some point or another, after all the trauma and/or self-hate, these people undergo a journey to completely disassociate from their true selves... and once you have gone far enough, there is no turning back. There is something clearly wrong with this, yet our society today does anything but address the conflict... No, they both enable and help reinforce it!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVgsgGlWpA4Look at this person.. They inadvertently admit the root of all their behavior, without even realizing it.. "I hated my father more than anyone.""I was named after my father, who I also was told I looked like.. a lot"If we have no chance at all of loving our (true) selves, what chance do we really have at legitimately loving another?? and that's another thing this person admits "I am single and haven't dated in 14 years"
>>35941264Dualism isn't quite what I meant. Dualism is the mind and body are separate things. Which from a certain perspective has merit.But being a duelist isn't quite right when taking a step back. As all things that are, are from and supported by God. And all things that are not, are with God. "For the things that are, he hath made manifest; and the things that are not, he hath hid in himself."Not sure where you're getting this "I have the right to do it because I have the choice not to" idea from... Or the horse vagina for that matter.I was more saying that anything on this plane that's "good" you can find Evil within it. That's the Yin/Yang of Nature. True Good is only found in Heaven. We only have a corrupted version of it here. But Evil most certainly exists here. Like fucking a horse or whatever your shadow fantasises.
>>35941464I think you are proving the point… at some point in your 30s, you become greatly jaded.
>>35941379I guess I have two sort of. One is a childhood best friend but he’s not someone I can see regularly as he lives in a different geographical area than me and works on Wall Street. I don’t. I didn’t go to Ivy League and all that. He did and lives in NYC. We basically didn’t talk much for 10 years until recently. That absence hurt but you deal with it. My other best friend was a guy in his 30s (I was in my 20s) who I felt was closets to me personality wise. A friendship and a mentorship. He taught me so much without asking for much in return. He taught me valuable lessons about psychology, human relationships, power. He had a much more tragic life than my own and had a tendency to drop people if they pissed him off over something petty. I quit the career track I was on and that pissed him off. He stopped all contact with me. That hurt a lot. There’s more to it than I’m willing to share in detail but it related to culture, race, ambition, and him developing a gambling habit. This year I learned he died. He was way too young but had unhealthy behaviors. I was at a place where I was pretty zen and this news shook me but I can accept that death, even the untimely variety is a natural part of this reality. A lot of people 30+ can spot previously lived experiences and “bullshit” and don’t want to deal with it, know they don’t have to. So they drop the person from their life to have a more peaceful life. I promised myself to try not to adopt this behavior as a coping mechanism for life. Hope that answers your question.
>>35941505I’m sorry about your friend. Getting dropped or dropping people is painful.
>>35941496>As all things that are, are from and supported by God. And all things that are not, are with God.Woah there... More like all things that were; how can you say all of the abominations of man are from and supported by God?Abortion? Genocides? Pornography? Genetic splicing/cloning?Humanity began when man found God... and humanity will end when man becomes God.You are also still just justifying the existence of evil. If you wanna talk basic scripture, were Adam and Eve not responsible for bringing evil into the world?Again, just because something is "there", doesn't mean that it NEEDS to be there. You keep saying good cannot exist without evil, which is bullshit. Adam and Eve were plenty good until that ultimate, final _decision_
>>35940709Two men walked on the same road. One rushed ahead to that end goal from joy. The other one behind him lost hope and walked away from that path. Never did the second one know of where it led.
>>35941564Who is to say the other man did not find a greater treasure, than what is quite literally another man's finish-line...?
>>35941374I quit my job and had a bad attitude about everything. External factors like working for a crappy boss and having shit people in your life can create this mentality in your 20s. I was drinking too much as well. Women are on a biological clock unlike guys. If they want to have a safe and normal conception and delivery they need to do it 20-29 at best but can get away with it in their early 30s. I wasn’t behaving like a future husbando or a responsible provider. I just sort of was in unknown territory and couldn’t communicate well with her so I came across as a scared jackass. She found another guy and had his kids after marrying him. It hurts a little to think about it but you have to just move on or die. I decided there’s mysteries and opportunities that I still don’t want to miss out on. Being a NEET was horrible. At first I lived with my parents and jacked off to JAV porn while my parents went to work. That period wasn’t good. I nearly gave up then. At some point I came to a realization that there was more to life and I had to buck the fuck up and become a man again. My friend’s story is in another reply. Hope all who see this do well and feel better going forward.
>>35941587Most people who rush into or have a great desire to have kids are trying to compensate for something.. it is always and eventual that they realize they are still lacking something, on top of having an entire slew of responsibilities with raising a child.I assume it's because they themselves had a mediocre (or worse) childhood... and/or have lost themselves as well, often trying to find ways to validate their existence...I have seen it far too many times now, I just feel bad for the kids however.. greatly so.
>>35941398Thank you OP. If you went through what I did and ended up on another side I say you won a close game of Russian roulette. I hope you got something out of it, but since you know about Hermeticism I would say you did. I hope you do well too and live a great life and complete a great work.
>>35941552>all of the abominations of man are from and supported by God?Supported was a wrong choice of word on my part. Man is Evil. Not God. Supported as in your bones support your flesh, and are not morally subject to what you do with the flesh.>You keep saying good cannot exist without evil, which is bullshit.Not what I said at all. Good is only in Heaven. The "good" here isn't Good. There is no Evil in Heaven.> were Adam and Eve not responsible for bringing evil into the world?No. It was already here. They fell to Sin. Good and Evil already existed.>Again, just because something is "there", doesn't mean that it NEEDS to be there. You keep saying good cannot exist without evil, which is bullshit.Again, I didn't
>>35941655Trust me, I haven't won anything.. at least not yet lol.. I'm still waiting for my Hail Mary to come forth for 7 years now and counting... but thank you kindly for your wishes and words. I do very much appreciate all of the replies and advice here. I guess you can say it's moments like these that help motivate myself to retain what I still value. There is no other than helping another..
>>35941685ok now you are making entirely clear sense and my apologies if I came off patronizing in any way; I clearly misunderstood your message and philosophy.
>>35941704No apology is needed. My language falters, and Ideas abstract. This is a discussion not a test :]
>>35941738And a wonderful discussion it’s been so far!I wish there more open talk threads like this here. I have effectively given up pursuing any compelling/engaging discussions on any other board here years ago.. and I am a pretty oldfag. Once it was known that Trump was running for office, I completely abandoned the still sinking ship known as /pol/..Don’t get me wrong though, there have still been some great threads (sparingly) there such as Epstein’s island explored and the actual Biden iCloud leak/dump, but now with all the ayy bullshit going on too I am totally out.Speaking of Epstein, that thread here (/x/) of the coke head handler who doxxed the shit out of all the island shenanigans. It was literally the day before Jizzlaine was arrested too.. July 1, 2020… great times
>>35941503Well, no. You're probably never going to be as emotional as you were when you were a teenager.
>>35941917It has nothing to do with emotions.. clearly, right?Its more so of having a blissful ignorance and insatiable vigor at a young age, only to lose it after realizing how rigged the entire “game” is.
>>35941938I don't know what you're talking about. I just said you think much clearer when you're older. You don't lose anything
>>35940709I'm turning 30 in 2 days, i got there using the "philosophy" of i always win even in very unfortunate shitty situations, no job? I joined the gym, i used all my time to learn what the world and people are made of, i developed my sense of smell to detect lies in anyone in front of me. No gf? i never cared too much because i'm a loner by nature so i don't mind people leaving or looking for me No money? that shit is hard but the little or much i've i use wisely in addition to developing a very low cost lifestyle. Plus i'm not vaccinated, in good shape and with a chance of getting my shit together soon, i dunno, i think it has a lot to do with each individual's psyche navigating shit.
>>35940709Vindictiveness, spite, wrath.
Great thread. Would appreciate some perspectives from anons who have or had to deal with chronic illness and/or pain.
>>35943893>Jung>The Ultimate WizardThank you, based anon.
>>35944849Is it really magic though? I would have imagined Jung be offended by such classification?Speaking of classification; that is more so precisely what his teachings consist of... The classification of (ALL)...
>>35941164All lies. This is a succumb strategy. Survive!
>>35941258Try independent scientology: non-church, non-deepstate. The book Self-Analysis (1951) doesn't require an e-meter or a professional.
>>35943893Explain this to me
>>35940709I seek the most beautiful things
>>35944882>dat timestampHail, based angel-chad.
>>35944863Yes. Doubtful, these are his concepts systematized, but who would care if he were? They work.
>>35944890Keep your bootleg Star Wars sci-fi LARP religion the FUCK out of here...
>>35944863He wrote black books and made prophesies. He definitely considered himself a magician.
>>35944907Well, there is enough of a presence in the world that practice something called magic and you do not want to associate Jung anywhere near it..
>>35944916His writings and "prophecies" were essentially predictions based off his own experiences with synchronicity.. NOT waving a wand around or reciting spells.
>>35944931Why? I'm thinking Crowley was right--don't share the good shit with plebeians.
>>35944939How the fuck can you associate Crowley with Jung?Two complete opposites, they literally do not get any more polar...
>>35940709The only thing that kept me going was not wanting to hurt the people around me. That's it. I can't really balloon this out like a 4 hour video game retrospective.
>>35944971I'm not calling them the same (although Crowley does use Jung's and Freud's ideas early in his career). I was calling you a retard. You didn't answer my question, either.
Spiritual enlightenment. The goal is before my eyes day and night.
>>35945057At what point in your life did you first discover it?How would you describe spiritual enlightenment as a whole? Is it something that you level up as time goes on or is it like a light-switch that just flicks on?
>>35945351Sometimes shit just activates. Ready or not it's shizo time!
>>35940709>What has primarily helped you persevere until now?My lack of attachment to this world. Said lack of attachment grows stronger as I get to discover how little in this world is worthy of preservation and salvation.I would rather focus on the afterlife
>>35945365>based MTG post
>>35945389but what if we are in the afterlife? or like purgatory?
>>35945007Not the dude. But Magic is influencing events using supernatural forces. Jung didn't try to influence anything as far as I understand.
>>35940709Universal love saved me from my materialistic suffering.
Bump 4 good vibes
>>35940709Working to exhaustion used to be my usual schtick but now I think I have found the true meaning behind the New Testament.
>>35941066No this is just attracting some people that are in a bad place. New stages of life are going to come with their own challenges and opportunities and revelations. They won't be worse, only different. You have the capacity to decide how to see it.
>>3594137930 can be a time where many really reflect and feel the impact of the direction their life is headed. You will experience it. If you are not satisfied with a lot of things in your life, and really want to change them, but your friends don't, it can be difficult to maintain the relationship.
>>35940709You take the good with the bad. You hope that the good times or even the rare awesome times help you get through the bad ones quickly. It does require a lot of putting off fun until a later time. That's pretty much it.
>>35943654Where is your chronic pain? Or what is it from?
>>35940709Drugs (cannabis, coffee, tea, kratom, rarely mushrooms, DMT, LSD) were by far the most important thing but interesting subject matter helped too
>>35940709There are moments where the lightness of the absence of a psychological "me" is clearly felt. I love it. I am a stupid man and have to meditate and read Nisargadatta Maharaj to get there. He was such a beast.
I took the ameoba pill.I had kids and everything became crystal clear. I exist for them. Twice as hard, but I'm 10 times as motivated.