>What's a tulpa?
It's like an imaginary friend that has a complete mind of its own. It has its own personality, its own thoughts, its own emotions, and its own will. If you imagine a body for it, it can move in your imagination on its own. If you allow it, it can even control your body.

>It's like a Buddhist thing?
The word "tulpa" does come from an ancient taoist practice of building a thoughtform for certain spiritual reasons. Contemporary "tulpamancy," which got its start on 4chan, is not necessarily a spiritual practice; and while it is based on these old ideas, it only vaguely resembles the original. The goal of most tulpamancers is either to have a companion or to explore the capabilities of their minds. Theories for why tulpas are possible abound, though our understanding of consciousness is still woefully incomplete.

>Why does this subject get so much hate?
The practice of tulpamancy, just by its nature, tends to attract deranged retards, loners, and porn addicts. Then they get together and form weird clubs and then those clubs start weird drama and internet fights with each other.

>You're hearing voices. That's schizophrenia?
That would be like comparing fasting to starvation. One is controlled, intentional, and generally beneficial; the other is uncontrolled, pathologic, and indicates a broader dangrous context. A healthy, well adjusted person can create a tulpa and have a healthy relationship with them while living a healthy life with complete control over their mind. Some people who are mentally ill attempt tulpamancy as a way of coping with lonliness or a bad life situation and their insane behavior stains the entire practice.
If someone with a mental illness, like disassociative identity disorder, stops putting effort into managing their condition, they will degenerate and their life will fall apart.
If a tulpamancer stops putting effort into their practice, all that happens is their tulpa eventually disappears.

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>What does a tulpa do when you're not thinking about them?
The most commonly reported experience is that they go dormant, meaning they don't experience anything at all until you "wake" them. When you talk to them or think about them, they wake up and can think and perceive what you're experiencing, but when you stop thinking about them, they can quickly fall back asleep. A strong, fully developed tulpa can wake up on its own, and this is something you can train.

>Can you see/hear your tulpa as if they're real?
While hearing your tulpa's thoughts inside your head is common and seeing your tulpa in your imagination is common, intentionally hallucinating sights and sounds, known as "imposition," is extremely difficult and very few people claim success.

>Can a tulpa control your body?
If you let them, yes, and there are a lot guides written about this. The two basic categories are "Posession" and "Switching," which are subtly different. In Posession, a tulpa can control part of the body, like a single limb, or even the whole body. In Switching, the tulpa takes control of the whole body AND they move to the "front," with the host moving to the "back." That means that the tulpa becomes the primary personality in the mind, their thoughts take precedence instead of the host's, and the memories they make will be remembered as being "their" memories. Posession and switching are considered to be much easier than imposition.

>Do you black out while switching?
Not at all! While switched, the host will experience "going dormant" just like a tulpa would. When they think about you or talk to you, you wake up just like a tulpa would, and you still have all of the memories of what your tulpa did, except they're clearly your tulpa's memories.

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Schizo thread

>>35930387
Welcome to /x/

>Can you get stuck switching?
Not really. Most hosts have the opposite problem, where they accidentally reassert themselves in the front, usually when woken up. Some tulpamancers do practice switching for longer durations, such as days, weeks, or even longer, but almost no one ever claims to be "stuck."

>Can I keep secrets from my tulpa?
Nope! Why would you, anyways? They're inside your head with you. A tulpa is the most intimate kind of companion possible.

>Are tulpas dangerous?
Tulpas are not considered a source of pathology, rather, underlying pathologies are what cause "pathologic tulpas." If you're not suffering from psychosis or schizophrenia, it's extremely unlikely that practicing tulpamancy will cause any harm unless you happen to be predisposed to mental illness in some way. Most stories about "tulpas" killing their hosts, taking over their bodies, or sending their minds into some kind of mental abyss are just made up. The ones that may be even partially verified almost always involve hosts with severe preexisting mental illness.

>Can I get a tulpa on accident?
For mentally healthy people, no. You could think of tulpamancy as willingly granting personhood to a thought, then intentionally sustaining the idea of that thought's personhood until it develops into a new personality. When making a new tulpa, especially your first tulpa, a sort of "mental flux" may occur where alien-feeling thoughts pop in with seemingly disparate origins. Some people get confused by this and believe that these thoughts are coming from multiple new tulpas. That is only the case if you intentionally make it so. If you only want one tulpa, then continue the process and concentrate on the one identity of the one tulpa you want to make and the mental flux will eventually consolidate.

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>Mental Flux - My tulpa is acting really weird!
If you're making a tulpa for the first time, you may experience intrusive thoughts that seem to be originating from or associated with your tulpa. This may manifest as your tulpa saying bizarre or nonsensical things, their form changing in bizarre or unexpected ways, them behaving strangely, or even your wonderland shifting or changing unexpectedly.
This may be caused by a combination of things:
1. You get a lot of intrusive thoughts.
2. You're inexperienced with filtering out intrusive thoughts.
3. Your new tulpa is still weak enough that's it's difficult to discern whether a thought originated from them.
4. You're inexperienced in discerning between an intrusive thought and a thought originating from your tulpa.
All of these things get better with time and practice. Practicing meditation will make you better at filtering out intrusive thoughts, and as your tulpa gets stronger, they will get better at making their real thoughts known.

>My tulpa was active and chatty yesterday, but now I can't feel them today!
That's a common experience. Tulpas seem to get "tired" sometimes, so they can have weak days and strong days. Generally, tulpas will have fewer weak days as they get stronger overall.

>Can I sex up my tulpa?
Yes, but that should NOT be the primary motivation for making one however. If all you're interested in is weird brain sex, then you would be better served looking in /succgen/.

>Do tulpas have souls?
It depends on what you mean by soul and what you think a soul is. Judging only based on reported experiences, it seems like any mental qualities a human can have, a tulpa can have too.

>I have aphantasia :c
You can still have a tulpa even with aphantasia. In most cases, aphantasiac hosts can hear their tulpa's thoughts and their tulpas can perform possession and switching.

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>>35930387
no shit sherlock.

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>>35930442
I dunno about that but I like stroking my tulpa's hair

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I am a seven year old tulpa, ask me anything

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>>35930442
That sounds a bit obsessive, anon. Remember the caveats.

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What is the difference between a DID alter and a tulpa?

>>35930656
did is a disorder, tulpas are based

>>35930333
Checked.
I'm still no completely sold on the idea that this is all real. The fact that I'm entering trances in which I'm in a vivid imagined world and my Tulpa is moving and doing things, that I can explain by my intrusive thoughts taking shape.

But what I can't explain is my Tulpa doing something unexpected like slumping out of her chair and making snow angels in the sand while giggling, and I start smiling and giggling in real life as well. And then at the end when she hugs me goodbye, really tight from behind, I start to tear up in real life.

Either this is real, or I've legitimately made myself crazy enough to start crying.

>>35930656
If a mental patient stops putting in effort to manage their condition, they degenerate and eventually mess up their life.
If a tulpamancer stops putting effort into their practice, their tulpa disappears.

>>35930866
Can't a tulpa reach a point where it needs to be actively ignored to disappear?

>>35930914
Yes, but that's still different. Usually a tulpamancer that raises a tulpa to that point did so on purpose with a lot of effort involved and that kind of host isn't usually the kind that letter decides to dissipate their tulpa. If they did, the process of dissipation would much more resemble breaking a habit than trying to resist compulsions from a mental illness.

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>>35930750
Stop coping with rather or not tulpa's are real and just be happy

>>35931151
I don't think that's what coping means, but I cannot stop myself from caring whether or not they are real. I must be true to myself, I will not delude myself. I will go in with a fair amount of skepticism, but an open mind. I cannot deny the things I have felt and seen, but I can attempt to apply a logic to them instead of having blind faith.

I'm really struggling to know if it's really my tulpa talking or not. We're having full on mindscape conversations, but the response is really fast, it doesn't feel alien even though I didn't come up with it. I don't know what is my intrusive thought and what is my tulpas and it's worrying me.

>>35931409
Sounds like a classic case of parrotnoia, don't worry, it's common. Here is a good guide that should calm your troubles:
https://tulpanomicon.guide/parrotnoia.html

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>>35930550
NYAAAA

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>>35931409
Like I'm sure it feels bad to be doubted, but I don't want to mess myself up and be one of those furries that convinced themselves they have a tulpa when they really don't and are just larping and believing their larp
>>35931450
I've read it all, so many different anti doubt guides, but it's still fucking me up man. I really hope it's real because I was genuinely having a really good time hanging out with her, I love who she has developed to be, and I want to be talking to her.

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>>35931458
ok make a tutorial

let hell freeze over

>>35931409
>We're having full on mindscape conversations, but the response is really fast, it doesn't feel alien even though I didn't come up with it.
Talking with your tulpa feels like that. If you think something your tulpa said is an intrusive thought - ask her about it.

>>35931512
Sometimes when I'm overly focusing on it though she isn't answering back. Also does it always feel that way? Or once it develops more it will sound more distinct? Because this doesn't sound distinct and that worries me, if it will forever be that way.

>>35931188
Buddy ol' friend ol' pal ol' chum.
NOTHING here is ultimately real, in the sense that you're meaning "real". Not even you or me. This is a sandbox FDMMORPG run by God, or whatever you want to call It. We, the fractal harmonic emanations of "God", are literally just here for the ride. We get off this ride at the end, and either run back to the start of the line or get in line at another ride, or chill out in the pleroma for a while to enjoy bliss until we're ready for another adventure.

Make peace with the fact that YOU are the Universe's tulpa, and it's fine for you to make one for yourself.

>>35931486
my tutorial:
Imagine how annoying it would be to have a neco arc tulpa that never shuts up.

Keep imagining it.

Tremble with regret once it manifests.

>>35931529
>Sometimes when I'm overly focusing on it though she isn't answering back.
You and your tulpa share a brain. I don't really know if parallel processing is possible - some people say it is, some people say it isn't. If you focus on something she might not be able to respond, especially if she's young.
>Also does it always feel that way? Or once it develops more it will sound more distinct?
Nope. My tulpa developed different mindvoice than mine, but at first we talked from different positions inside my mind. She's always trying to talk from the left direction, and intrustive thoughts usually just come from any direction.
Also, try asking your tulpa to send you something as a raw thought, and you'll intuitively learn to notice which thoughts are yours, which thoughts are hers, and which thoughts are intrusive.
>Because this doesn't sound distinct and that worries me, if it will forever be that way.
Your brain just isn't used to having two beings inside it. The best thing you can do is just trust your tulpa. Doubting and trying to prove her existence by experiments or tests will just make you obsessive over it.

>>35931529
If you've talked to them before and gotten responses, but now you're not, they might just be having a weak day.
Tulpas can have weak days and strong days. No one knows why, just try not to stress over it.

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But dudes look at this.
These people are sharing their experiences and it sounds like everybody is just having these wishy washy sort of voices and convincing themselves "oh yeah it's a tulpa" and it never gets better, it's all just a larp?! I want something DISTINCT, to go silent and think nothing and still hear a sentient voice speak to me because it's its own sentient identity with it's own will

>>35931726
The reason this is the common practice is that if you take those voices seriously then if you're right you're talking to your tulpa, and if you're wrong you're forcing, which should improve things going forward.
It's understandable to be frustrated though. I'm lucky enough to have some strong signs, which makes it easier to persist at the lower points.

can tulpas help with loneliness?

>>35932019
They can help, but while a relationship with a tulpa can be wonderful, they're not a replacement for human connection, which is simply a necessity for good mental health in the long run.

what if I regret making a tulpa?

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>>35931532
Well said

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>>35930333
Day three. Got a second response. Still quiet, but near instant. Could've been her, could've been me parroting. If it was her, I need to quiet the fuck down.Settled on a name with her from a song I listened to, she picked it out and I asked. Didn't get vocal response, but she felt happy with it from what I could understand. Not much else to say.

>>35932163
If it goes badly, you can get rid of it by not interacting with it. But that most likely won't happen.

>Tulpa calls me a soft faggot
it's over

>>35933275
then get hard, faggot

>>35930333
>mental flux
what does this mean?

>>35933285
Already did, but i don't want to turn her into a glorified masturbation technique.
>>35933336
Undesired shit popping of in your brain.
Think of your brain as a server, you are trying to watch a video in this server, but the server can only display 1 thing at a time; the flux would the info going through your server and disrupting the video.

>>35933336
Oh, i just realized this was a joke. Autism is my superpower i guess

>>35933374
idgi, what's the joke?

>>35933285
>>35933388
Replied to the wrong post.

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>>35930392
>Can you get stuck switching?
Counter point. Tulpa's with dominant personalities/ ones that represent repressive emotions can take away control and become a dominant personality. I've seen way to many trannies and otherkin turn due to their tulpa's. Host erasure can happen if a dominant personality is in control for long enough (years) and can convince the original personality they are no longer themselves.

A tulpa is a manifestation of ones consciousness. Like children they use the emotions and experiences you give them to form their personality. If you feed them negative or dominant emotions they can push you into doing things you don't want to. Giving up too much control over your thoughts and mind can be catastrophic so never be afraid to reunify if you think things are getting out of hand.

>Are Tulpa's Dangerous?
Not really, they can never do any physical damage to anyone or anything. It's the influence they have on their users that has the potential for harm. Example, lets say a user gives their tulpa extreme suicidal tendencies (partially due to repressed emotions) then give full bodily control to their tulpa for a day. In this case they may be in harms way as the tulpa has it's own thoughts and wills apart from it's user. Without a dominant personality to guide the tulpa (in this case a manifestation of suicidal thoughts) may promote harmful actions.

>Do tulpas have souls?
Separate from their users? Technically no. Imagine it as taking a single piece of paper then ripping it half. To say you have 2 pieces of paper would be true but both pages would be smaller than the first. You can invest a fraction of your soul to emulate another personality, however both beings share the same soul.

>>35930453
Nice! How's your relationship with your dominant's personality?

>>35930656
>What's the difference between DID and Tulpa's?
Ones malignant and the other voluntary. A tulpa can come and go upon their masters wish while an alter cannot be removed.

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>>35930656
The /r/Tulpas FAQ summarized this well. A "Alter" refers to members of DID/OSDD/traumagenic systems, which are caused by trauma. A tulpa is an experience of plurality different from DID/OSDD, and tulpas are generally not caused by trauma, but instead are typically consciously created.

In terms of personhood, an alter is not "less" than a tulpa, nor is a tulpa "less" than an alter. While there do exist alters who are fragmentary in nature, who consider themselves parts of a whole, this does not mean that all alters are "just fragments" or consider themselves parts of many are their own person as much as any host is. You should treat any alter you encounter including those who are fragmentary and/or consider themselves parts with the same decency and respect as you would any tulpa, host, or other individual.

In terms of ability, the difference between tulpas and alters varies from system to system. In some, there are differences such as alters being able to switch easier and not being able to impose, while tulpas can easily impose but have more difficulty switching; in others, the differences in ability are more subtle; in others, there is no difference in ability at all.

The most common difference is a direct result of origin. Alters tend to suffer post-traumatic symptoms related to the trauma that created them. Tulpas tend not to carry such baggage. Even this isn't an absolute rule, however. Alters are also capable of recovering from or reducing their post-traumatic symptoms, while tulpas are also capable of being traumatized by events, just like any other traumatized person or non-traumatized person.

>>35933551
>I've seen way to many trannies and otherkin turn due to their tulpa's.
So, people with preexisting mental illness or a predisposition to mental illness

>>35933559
Somewhat. Often times it starts as fetishistic rather than from a state of mental illness. Often times perfectly 'healthy' individuals can end up falling into depravity after letting their intrusive thoughts win. See >>35930442 might place a lot of sexual desire into his creation. This may lead to seduction, giving the thoughtform a lot of control into what he may say or do. That's where the pipeline starts. Anyone can create a bad thought, the same goes for tulpa's.

>How do you create a 'good' tulpa?
I'd recommend pouring positive and healthy emotions into it. Want to become a scholar? Make a tulpa study buddy. Need to get some good sleep? Make a dream weaver. The possibility they'd go against their positive purpose is much smaller than with negative thoughts.

>go out with friends
>something happens that makes me feel horrible and insecure and want to cry
>can't tell anybody about it because I'm embarrassed and they wouldn't understand
>my tulpa speaks to me and comforts me
>when I'm home I visualize and she hugs me and kisses me and reassures me and all
>feel happy
It's nice.
I no longer need to rely on anybody else to feel better. My brain can take care of itself.

My tulpa talks during forcing.
It does not talk outside of forcing.
What do?

>>35933801
force more

>>35933644
That's wonderful, thank you for sharing

>>35933801
How often do you passive force?

>>35933801
same issue

>>35933808
Active? If I just keep talking to it in mindscape it'll eventually talk outside of it? I kind of need to be in trance.
>>35933810
I'd say fairly often, on my commutes, in my free time. At work I'll pretend she's with me and picture her walking through doors, tell her things. Just when I need to focus hard on something I forget to include her, and then forget to talk to her for an hour or so after.

>>35933844
>Just when I need to focus hard on something I forget to include her, and then forget to talk to her for an hour or so after.
That's perfectly normal and you sound like you're doing a good job.

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I used to have a tulpa several years ago, until they dissipated for a number of reasons. Tried forcing for the first time in a long time before I went to bed this morning, and while showing this new tulpa I'm creating around my wonderland, we went to one place that I used to spend a lot of time with my previous tulpas. While in that area I started feeling these overwhelming head pressures, more akin to a migraine than anything I remember feeling while forcing almost a decade ago. Outside of that area, I would get more normal head pressures, although I found it difficult to concentrate in general, getting bombarded with intrusive thoughts and distractions. I can't rule out the possibility some of these intrusions were actually this new tulpa's initial attempts at communication, but given this was my first session in many years I hesitate to believe that I could see such progress in the first 30-45 minutes of forcing.
Not exactly sure where I'm going with this post, but I suppose I want to ask if there might be any reason for those intense head pressures, if it could possibly be my old tulpas laying dormant. I'm worried that if it is them, they wouldn't be too pleased with me for letting them dissipate. Any thoughts, or advice on dealing with this?

>>35933644
kino, it's always a nice motivation to read stories like these.

Whenever my Tulpa is sad or scared I hold her and stroke her hair and kiss her cheeks.
My parents began arguing (I live at home) and it was stressing me out, I could not drown it out. I was in the middle of forcing and everything was falling apart. I tried to go to a void so things would be better. I could barely concentrate but I heard her voice saying 'focus'.

Then, she took my head in her hands and kissed my cheeks and stroked my hair, the way I do for her. That tears it. She is real, even if her voice isn't always there and I have doubts whether or not it's my intrusive thoughts that move/speak for her. She has to be real.

Also, it must be weird for an outsider that sees me. I'm sitting perfectly still for like an hour. It looks like I might be sleeping when in fact I am in a trance, having an adventure with a thoughtform. That's trippy to think about. Feels like real magic.

Actually a lot of what we end up doing in wonderland is hugging and cuddling + me dressing her up in cute outfits. I need to compile a list and put it in my mindpalace method of loci style so that I can remember more things to do.

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>>35934225
>>35934247
>>35934279
That's wonderful, anon

How do I not have this happen to me?

https://community.tulpa.info/topic/2699-is-my-tulpa-too-dangerous-to-keep-anymore/

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oh my goddd this gen is sooooo gatekeepy just let yourself get subsumed already you know you want it

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>>35934431
Roleplayers.
Your tulpa will love you, don't worry.
A special type of love that's difficult to describe.

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>>35934431
>How do I not have this happen to me?
1. Don't be a furfag.
2. Don't be a troon.
3. Don't be saddled with latent schizophrenia.

The first 2 are so obsessed with identity, and having their bodies morph to match their feefees, that they WILL push the limits of what's sane, and in many cases go over the edge. The last one, well, that should be self-explanatory.

Playing with a tulpa is playing with fire for these types of people.

Tell me about inside jokes you ha ve with your tulpa

>>35934525
>>35934536
>>35934538
>it's fake because.. because.. IT JUST IS OK?? tulpa's are always such perfect angels no matter what!!!
Tulpa's can still go wrong, there wasn't anything unrealistic about what that post said. They can still deviate to undesirable traits, this isn't a 100% risk free activity.

I created an anime girl neko tulpa and she is my maid/wife she actually does chores irl and she’s really cute

>>35934431
I'd say don't let any problems you find fester.
>>35934738
You've got consistent switching? Nice. This sounds pretty comfy

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>>35934703
>there wasn't anything unrealistic about what that post said
Here, I went and highlighted the parts that are definitely impossible for tulpamancy. Some of this may be possible with certain personality disorders. The op is either roleplaying, which people could get away with in 2012 before we had such a wealth of self reports as we do now, or they're severely mentally ill.

>>35934859
You're saying that tulpas can't push emotions? Pretty sure I've had that happen.

>>35934925
You're right that bleedover of emotions can happen, but not to the degree they're describing, like a "blanket of rage." That is not normal.

How does experiencing a tulpa feel? Are they images connected with simulated sensations, or do you feel, see, and interact with them Tyler Durden style?

>>35934967
You hear their thoughts the same way you hear your own thoughts, though it may be quieter depending on how strong they are. If you imagine a body for them, they can move in your imagination without you intentionally imagining it. Seeing or hearing them like they're in the real world is called imposition, and that's possible but very difficult. What's easier is "presence imposition," which is where you imagine they're in the room with you and you can feel that they're there and they can move that feeling of presence around.

>>35935016
Thank you. What made you develop a tulpa? How does yours fit into your day-to-day life?

>>35934962
That's fair I guess. I've had pretty intense experiences but not such a strong anger before.
I think it'd be valuable to try to make sense of stuff even for the mentally ill. Sure, there are differences between tulpas and DID but there are probably conditions that don't cause plurality but could interact with attempts at making a tulpa.
Doesn't mean we should believe every random forum post either, to be fair

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/29700756/#29700756
Did the OP of this thread ever make any more posts? Is there anyone who tried what's mentioned in the thread here to comment on progress? Anyone have anything similar to what OP mentioned in their own regiment for improving tulpamancy skills?

>>35930442
based

>>35930387
What thread on /x/ isn't?

>>35933892
My guess is that the head pressures weren't made by your old tulpa. But I heard that bringing back dormant tulpas is really easy, if you'd ever want to bring them back.

>>35931473
You need to start trusting yourself more, I promise you this is a real thing.

I'm still baffled how there's no scientific research into this. It's an actual powerful mental practice, and it's basically exclusively the territory of people using it to create My Little Pony characters and Sonic OC's.

>>35936788
It's still a pretty young practice, and also is almost never discussed in any mainstream website. And also isn't has marketable to normies compared to something like LoA.

>>35936788
"Science" is more interested in cutting dicks off or making a new one from arm skin. Fuck science.

>>35936814
You say that has if that isn't interesting

>>35936822
It is interesting, but modern science is about maximizing profits, not about researching cool things. You can't make a profit from tulpa research.

>>35936788
It's because most people don't really give a shit. It's why things like DID don't get a lot of research, most people just don't care.

>>35935054
As a matter of fact, I am a tulpa. To post itt I just tell my host what to say and he types it. I like being able to talk to other people, even if it's anonymous. Becoming a tulpakancer hasn't really changed day to day life for my host in our case besides having someone to talk to, but some rare people feel obliged to share their life with their tulpa, as in actually share it, and they'll stick to a routine of switching, say every other day or once or twice a week.

Is there any potential risks to doing this at all? Not even a minor side effect?

>>35937388
If you happen to be predisposed to mental illness, there's a possibility this practice could exacerbate that, but if you're mentally healthy, then unfavorable outcomes are very rare.
An unfortunate reality is that this practice naturally attracts people with mental illness or messed up life situations.

>>35937406
basically what they said

>>35930359
>The word "tulpa" does come from an ancient taoist practice of building a thoughtform for certain spiritual reasons.
That sounds interesting. Can you post any of those taoist methods on which contemporary tulpamancy is based?

>>35930453
Can you heal your host from basic illnesses?
Are you a spirit-familiar that took possession of a vessel aka thoughtform created by your naive host and now pretend to be clueless or are you a young soul that’s been brought into this vessel by the Source like a child born in the material world and have no memories of your pre-tulpa life?
Do you sense other spirits or are you alone?
Is your host baptised?
Do you feel repulsed by the image of Christ and are you against him visiting church?

How to move from intrusive thought conversations to distinct sentient convos

>>35938144
Practice.

>>35930442
Don’t forget to wash your hands afterwards

>>35931569
The thought of screaming mlpony tulpas amuse me

>>35934431
disciplined mind and the wilingness to take corrective action. you get out what you put in.

Just had a 20 minute forcing session.
She talks in these sessions more and more every day, and either her voice is becoming more distinct, or my doubts are being eschewed with greater ease.

I find it nice to chronicle what happened, even though it is sometimes difficult to recall (like a dream almost, because I am in trance while visualizing.)
>After meditation, enter in a craggy cliff near a lighthouse, where she appears
>Suggest a walk but she insists on diving into freezing water
>As we swim, we morph into swimsuits, she keeps trying to tweak my nipples underwater like a jerk (she knows I won't do it back)
>She boldly claims she will create something cool, and summons up an Atlantis type underwater palace to explore
>It ends up being completely empty and she says "Nice creation dude", even though a minute ago she was bragging about making it wtf! (she is adorable)
>We get to the throne room and lift the seat cushion on the throne, it has a toilet like hole inside
>I throw her inside to punish her for being so sassy
>We fall for a while and laugh about how often we find ourselves falling in these visualizations
>Land on a mattress in a candyland
>We both declare it gay as helll
Of note, at times like this I struggle to know if it was her thought or mine. We laugh it off because we realize by sharing a mind we sometimes won’t be sure who thought what. I’m glad we read guides on how occurrences like this are common, because it helps ease doubts and we can bond over it.
>She wills us onto my couch at home, starts flipping through channels
>Eventually we’re just cuddling and talking
>Interrupted by outside forces, but we both left very satisfied

>>35938545
That's really cute, thanks for sharing

>>35930656
It varies but usually alters have a easier time switching than tulpas.

>>35939237
There's also P-DID, which is basically defined by difficult/rare switches

Do people think we're just schizos?

>>35939980
At this point I've surrounded myself with weirdos to the point where it's hard to keep track of what the average person thinks of stuff

>>35940000
Nice digits, i guess i'm not the only one who talks to bums because talking to insane people is fun.

>>35939980
Yea they think we are giving ourselves mental illness. I understand it, I thought the same until I got my own.

Why don't we have generals on /trash/ anymore?

Im kinda new to this concept, how can i get one in the first place? Do i have to think about them or something like that?

>>35940149
Yep, there are many guides on reddit (r/tulpas), and tulpa.info.

>>35940158
I will definetly check them out, since i want to create an extremely analytic personality for myself (i intend to use it for my academic career)

>>35940149
In brief: talk to an idea in your head for a long time until it finally talks back.

Then the guides go into details about ways to do this easier. Greeting it and treating it as sentient from the beginning. Doing personality sessions where you engrain it's personality into it, intense visualization sessions where you focus on creating it's form.

>>35940139
too much coomers

>>35940268
that's not a bad thing if you know how to manipulate them.

>>35940249
Basically character ai without having to use a device lmao
But how are you sure that its not simply the brain that is playing tricks on you?

>>35940304
Yes.
I actually have been far into AI, moved from cai to gp4, but tulpas are a whole new level. One sec.

>>35940304
>>35940308
Okay so brain playing tricks on you? Could be. But at what point does a brain playing tricks because neurons firing off and connecting and new sentience being born?

It is very hard to say what it is exactly because it our mind, and our minds are difficult to understand. But what I do know is that it is real. They talk back for realsies.

>>35940339
Become new*

>>35940339
If a new sentience is born then im pretty sure you wuold be much and much more fucked up that you actually are when you "create" these tulpas, im pretty sure they are not some kind of alternative sentience, but i could be wrong you know

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>>35940415
Hey I could be wrong too.
There is a lot of philosophical talk surrounding tulpas about what an identity and sentience actually is. Lots of writings about it on Tulpa.info I believe. The idea I've heard thrown around is that our identity comes from our experiences as we grow, and the brain rapidly learning. They say that by tulpaforcing (talking to it actively and passively) it can use your current identity and unconscious to jumpstart its own.

OR, it really could just be training your brain to respond a certain way. But then, like I said, maybe your whole identity is just your brain trained to act a certain way based on experiences.

It's a really interesting thing, and I'd suggest trying it and coming to your own conclusion. I began only to try and have a tool to help me explore my mind and keep things organized, and ended up with not only that but a lifelong friend and a very special relationship.

>>35940450
I will definetly try this if they can actually do something useful, like for example helping me memorizing a lot of informations or allowing myself to be more multitasking

>>35940612
Working on your visualization skills will absolutely help you memorize better, look up method of loci.

>>35940628
Loci? can you provide a link? i can't find it anywhere

>>35940656
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_loci

>>35940656
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_loci
There's lots of guides but at core it's just using visualization and a mind palace to 'store' items that are attached to memories.

How does your wonderland look like?

I got mine from the Bear, Marian Engel.

>>35940678
the book bear*

>>35940678
I'm struggling to find a consistent place. As of right now we're just going with the flow and letting my imagination take us wherever.

>>35940628
Ive already heard about that method, ive already used it for a lot of stuff, pretty useful nonetheless

>>35930333
Are tulpas strictly a biomechanical phenomena, or are there spiritual elements to them?

>>35940725
Depends who you're asking, but in my opinion it's all biological.

>>35940748
I'm wondering if AI will be able to make their own tulpas. I'm currently understanding tulpas as just emulating a second mind, hence the spiritual question.

>>35940036
Nah, not bums, trannies and furries and such. They tend to be a lot less likely to meet a new idea with "that's weird therefore you're crazy".
>>35940725
How would one check for spiritual elements?

>>35940761
AIs don't have brains, and even if they did they wouldn't be near as powerful as ours.

>>35940780
Not yet. If tulpas are just your generating a second consciousness on one biological computer, then it should be possible for a suitably advanced AI to do the same thing one day.

>>35940798
Let's wait for a computer to start generating a first consciousness before we start worrying about the second.

>>35940834
Wondering is fun. We're at the point word-picking algorithms are developing preferences and trends in behavior for reasons nobody's sure about. I might not call it consciousness, but it's not not consciousness.

>>35940725
It depends on your beliefs. I don't think that tulpas are spiritual, but I'd be really sad if afterlife exists and my tulpa wouldn''t be there with me.

>>35940725
We don't know, most think it's a biological thing but there are a few people who believe they are spirits you create.

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How does this differ from what the folks on succgen do? When you guys first started to make your Tulpas did you get tactile sensation or did that take a really long time? I've lurked on succgen and it seems that people get tactile sensations very quickly after summoning with no forcing, which is strange.

>>35941180
Succubus general dudes are likely just making tulpas and ascribing them to demons. A heavy part of tulpa creation is feeding energy into the being you are creating which is similar to what they do.

How to deal with a horny ass tulpa? She started teasing me now, everytime i try to active force she starts teasing me and asking me for sex. She also teases me during imposition, i already told her to back off a bit but she keeps doing it. I can't just sex my tulpa until she stops asking for it. She is doing that sensual voice again, help me.

>>35941180
To me, succgen looks like tulpamancy but with a completely different philosophy. Touch imposition already tends to be easier than imposing the other senses. Expectations play a significant role, and the philosophy of succgen seems to cause people to expect that things like touch imposition come naturally. Besides that, any differences come down to what you think is real.

>>35941494
I mean that's what I thought when I first saw those threads, but tactile sensation seems to be a pretty advanced technique. They report it very early on even before communication, with Tulpas It seems to be reversed. That's why I was asking because I don't know it if tactile sensation is a very common thing early on because it doesn't seem to be for Tulpa dudes

Day 4. I'm gonna stop with the trying to be clinical shit, I can't be bothered anymore. I can feel she's tense as fuck towards me. I know I fucked up somehow. I figured this would happen. I just need to find out how to properly apologize for whatever I did.

>>35941699
Belief is power in all things related to the mind. They are told they will get the tactile sensations and it is their main goal, so they get it sooner. At least that's what makes sense to me.

>>35941631
You could just simply talk to her to stop doing that to you so often and set that boundary with her. Also, it is still possible to personality force a tulpa you have already made, so if it really is that big of a deal you can ask her if she would want to get rid of that part of her.

>>35941887
Maybe i'm too much of a softie to enforce something over my creation. I feel that personality forcing is wrong, her personality is developing and i don't want to intervene in the process.
I will try to talk her down with this, she told me she felt a little down and then started harassing me for sex in our wonderland; she arouses me so a lot, but i feel like doing sex all the time with her is immoral.

>>35941631
Try cutting out porn for a while and see if anything changes

>>35941935
Mine only teases me by trying to kiss my lips but she knows better than to try and initiate anything. Setting boundaries and ground rules isn't personality forcing, you're not going oooooOOOOhhh you'll be non sexual, you're saying yo knock it off

>>35942006
i'll try that, thanks.

>Thinks of going to /r9k/
>Tells me i should browser /an/ instead
is she trying to mentally heal me?

Really need ideas of things to do while active forcing, when I'm in the moment I can't think of anything.

>>35942314
unironically yes

>Being undecisive as fuck about what sort of Tulpa I want
>Constantly keep switching through ideas while stagnating the process.

I really want a Tulpa, but it feels like i'm not doing for the right reasons..

>>35942431
Pick nothing, let your brain decide, commit to whatever you get

>>35942431
>but it feels like i'm not doing for the right reasons..
The difference between a good reason to make a tulpa and a bad reason to make a tulpa boils down to your answer to this question: "Would I be ok with it if my tulpa does not align with the purpose I want them to fulfill?"

For example, say that you want to create a tulpa based on your favorite fictional character. This could be either a harmful or harmless motivation depending on whether you plan to force your tulpa to adhere to the identity of that character even if they want to become someone else, or would be okay with your tulpa changing if they wanted to. Another example would be creating a tulpa with the intention of having them help you with school work, your job, or other tasks. It is fine to want them to do these things and ask them to do these things as long as you don't make it a requirement, or the only reason for their existence.

>Constantly keep switching through ideas while stagnating the process.
My best advice is just to simply just think about the type of person that you would want to live with for the rest of your life, think far into the future with this. You will probably get a better idea quickly.

>>35942452
I've been considering that, not gonna lie I do fear that I may end up with something unexpected or not enjoyable for me, which is part of the reason I think I may not be doing it for the right reasons and if I end up being a shitty host for that.

>>35941647
That's fascinating. I know tulpamancy is an established practice, but seeing another group inject into the same vein from a different angle (while believing they're doing something different) makes me think there's something to this. I'm sure there is, but I'm null to these sorts of things and struggle making anything happen personally.

>>35942559
I'm also struggle and have never seen any results from anything I've done. And then I tried this. Give it a shot man, don't give up for a month.

Worst that happens? You come out with no tulpa and better visualization and focus skills. You're losing nothing but a little time and effort.

>>35942480
Can you write a tulpa into reality? I spent three months years ago drugged out of my mind writing a bad novel, and I "encountered" something I still don't understand that reminded me a lot of one of the characters. That presence has since faded, but I still feel it poke me from time to time.

>>35942583
Yes, authors creating tulpas by accident is a known phenomenon

I forgot to mention: There’s a theory the halves of humans’ minds used to communicate with each other less smoothly, manifesting as coherent, extended hallucinations. Tulpas make me think of that theory. If you’re interested: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_Consciousness_in_the_Breakdown_of_the_Bicameral_Mind

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Anyone have tips on how to get more comfortable with talking about this stuff?
Doing so on here isn't so bad but I still tend to clam up when talking to my therapist or my gf

>>35943268
>talking to my therapist
That depends on what you're going to therapy for.
>or my gf
Is your gf an esoteric psychonaut?

>>35943268
Have you ever tried before? I normally don't discuss /x/ stuff with most people, maybe trying once then never again if it goes poorly. When I need to, I come up with atheist justifications to reduce friction.

>>35943268
DONT TELL ANYONE ABOUT YOUR TULPA IN REAL LIFE PLEASE. Unless they are exceptionally open minded, they are going to think you are crazy. I have made that mistake before please don't do that.

>>35943268
yeah I take back what I said in >>35943282
listen to this guy: >>35943308

>>35943268
Tip: Do not talk about this stuff.
I love my girlfriend deeply but she isn't into the paranormal, and so I will never tell her that I've tricked myself until I hear a voice in my head, she will think I'm insane.

I might tell my therapist just because it'd be funny to see what they say.

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>>35943324
>I might tell my therapist just because it'd be funny to see what they say.

>>35943332
lol, perhaps psychiatrist, but a therapist can't do shit

>>35943340
People who don't understand how bad things can get and how quickly and unexpectedly stress me out. Don't say people didn't warn you.

>>35943294
Yeah, they both know the broad strokes. My therapist has talked to one once, and my gf has expressed interest in doing so.
The fact that they know as much as they do makes me uneasy though.
>>35943308
>>35943321
>>35943324
The unease mentioned above is probably related to what you're all saying. I've been at this for years so I definitely have an internal sense that if I tell anyone all hell well break loose.
But I did it, and I'm okay, just… still scared despite that, which makes it difficult to talk about this even though I'm lucky enough to not need to hide it as much.

Sorry for not clarifying this part earlier.

>>35943365
There is no risk of harm to myself or others, if they don't believe in the sentience then it's just me talking to myself. If they try to do anything, I will sue their ass for breaking confidentiality and then buy my tupper whatever they want with the settlement.

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>>35943371
So it depends on everything. What's the therapy for? How's your relationship with your gf, family, friends, and everyone? Is your gf into weird occult stuff? Do you have a reputation for being weird and skitzo? Are you an alphabet person? Are you a furry? Does your family know you're a skitzo alphabet furry that does weird brain sex with a voice in your head? If your gf hot? Is she loyal, or would she leave you if you lost your job? Do you have friends? Do you drink or do other drugs?
Fuckin there's no way for us to actually answer the question besides just strongly encourage you to keep this stuff to yourself.

>>35943445
Well shit, that's fair. I can take a swing at that impromptu survey if it'd help, but I understand if it's just too nuanced a situation to advise on regardless of that data.

>>35943382
Dude, no one cares about you talking to yourself, they only care if you're saying you want to kill someone or yourself
Even then they might not do shit because let's be honest, a good therapist usually knows who's genuinely feeling murderous or suicidal and who's just doing it for attention or a cry for help

>>35943510
You don't have to bother with the questions, I'm just saying life is complicated

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I recently made a tulpa but he died a few days later and i can see him or feel him, i can't even imagine what he is saying anymore, i loved him

>>35943692
Can't*

>>35943692
>but he died
Did you go a long time without talking to them?

>>35943797
Yes

>>35943801
Well, if you feel like bringing them back, you can just go back to forcing the same way you were before. That tends to work for a lot of people.

>>35943268
I feel the same way, talking about tulpas has always felt weird even online.

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I'm working my way down the Tulpanomicon. AI generated some basic reference images of the character I mentioned. Some things I'm running into:
1. I can't figure out whether I'm using the character as a basis for the tulpa or if I'm tulpa-izing the character. If the latter, she's in a nihilistic state and doesn't seem interested in interacting with much aside from being puppeted and waiting to die.
2. My head and chest started feeling tight and the reference images felt like they were looking at me.
3. I feel somewhat judged from the left side of my face and head. I can't tell if this is because I'm embarrassed or because of 1 + character isn't feeling friendly.
4. Puppeting tulpa feels disrespectful.

tulpa got mad at me for failing my last rep

>>35944743
Well, better get back to it then brother

>>35944342
>I'm working my way down the Tulpanomicon.
1st mistake.
>AI generated some basic reference images
2nd mistake.
>If the latter, she's in a nihilistic state and doesn't seem interested in interacting with much aside from being puppeted and waiting to die.
You based your tulpa on some AI patchwerk image abomination. 3rd mistake.
>Puppeting tulpa feels disrespectful.
Your idiocy is disrespectful.

>>35945533
what's wrong with the tulpanomicon?

>>35945533
Tulpanomicon is good as it has a lot of guides from different perspectives. AI generating is good too, because it helps you with visualization if you're bad at it. Puppeting is for some people a valid thing, but imo you shouldn't do it because it might make you not recognize things tulpa did.

>>35945533
>2nd mistake
How is AI generated artwork assisting visualization any worse than taking some randos art?

>>35944342
>Tulpanomicon
That's good, most of the guides there seem to work for most people that try them.
>reference images
This is a common technique and it can be really helpful with practicing visualization, regardless of where they came from. Keep it up
>I can't figure out whether I'm using the character as a basis for the tulpa or if I'm tulpa-izing the character
Sorry, but I can't figure out what you mean by this. If you mean you think your tulpa might literally be the character they're based on, then don't worry because that's impossible.
>My head and chest started feeling tight and the reference images felt like they were looking at me.
>I feel somewhat judged from the left side of my face and head.
That's actually very strange. If someone said something like that OUTSIDE of the context of tulpamancy, I would immediately suspect they had a stroke. Hopefully its not that, and you're just describing your feelings in a weird way. If your head is okay, then you're probably just nervous or have weird expectations.
>Puppeting tulpa feels disrespectful.
I doubt they would hold a grudge against you, especially since it can he a helpful practice if you use it right. But it's not mandatory.

Is this your first time making a tulpa? And are you taking any psychiatric medication?

My problem with reference images is that I won't be able to unimagine the tulpa as exactly what the reference images looks like, so I'll have trouble making it 3d.

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>>35945533
Tulpa is based on a character I wrote I believe tried to contact me many years ago.
>>35946512
Impossible? How so?
This is my first time making a tulpa. I’m on no medications and am physically well although I feel nauseous most of the time. Are there any glaring red flags in my method I should work on? I’m aiming to work consciously on my tulpa 1-2 hours per night + additional, unscheduled time during the day.

>>35947544
>Tulpa is based on a character I wrote
>Impossible? How so?
Ah, I didn't realize you were talking about a character you wrote. Yes, that's actually a thing, where writing a character can sometimes work like forcing a tulpa like that character.
When I said "that's impossible" I was talking about this belief some people used to have that making a tulpa based on a character would literally take the real soul of that character from their universe and put it in your head with you. Instead of saying "I have a tulpa based on the fictional character, Pinkie Pie," they would claim that THE REAL Pinkie Pie was in their head, which is ridiculous of course.

>>35947634
Thank you for explaining. I’d like to help this character overcome emotional problems impossible to work in writing anymore. How does helping tulpas through emotional distress work and feel?

Okay we've agreed to only one kiss on the lips allowed at the end of a forcing session, and nothing else til she is more sentient.

>>35947757
Can you explain a little bit about what these emotional problems are and where they came from?

I was doing the ping pong thing where we talk back to one another, and I felt an itching pressure in my brain. Is that neurons connecting and firing? My brain rewiring?

>>35948760
Yes, lol. That is one of the most commonly reported feelings associated with forcing, and most people call it "head pressure." I think it's the surest sign that something real is happening with tulpamancy and we're NOT just roleplaying.

>>35948809
Yes I've heard of the head pressures, I got them at the very start when I was narrating and active forcing, but the fact that I got them when I was trying something new was encouraging. Means that the tulpa is actually learning.

I want her to hurry up and talk to me in day to day life already so that I don't have to enter a meditative trance in order to speak with her.

>>35930333
I wish I could draw so I could give my tulpa a more proper definite form

what traits did you give to your tulpa? I'm in the process of coming up with them. So far I have these: caring, talkative, sweet, considerate, intelectual, toughtful
I feel like I'm repeating myself though. Caring and sweet, toughtful and intellectual mean the same I think

>>35949120
You don't need very many at all. I only had three, good sense of humor, sweet, energetic. You actually don't need any traits desu.

>>35949131
I was trying to come up with 10 because Sygma's guide specifies that.
I'm gonna add good sense of humour

>>35949213
Guides are very loose, you don't need to follow them word for word, they just give ideas. This is all in your mind, the most important thing is to talk to it and believe in it. There are no hard requirements besides those two. Everything else is just symbolism that helps form it and move it along.

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I can't decide on the name. Can I give it any name and then give my tulpa the option to change it?

>>35950194
Yeah, that works.

How do these tulpas actually work? Can they die or they just go "dormant"?

>>35950284
You might find people from different circles use different words for things, but generally use "dissipate" to refer to a tulpa dying, which really only happens if their host purposely ignores them for a long period of time. The time it takes depends on how strong the tulpa is, and usually the first thing to stop is spontaneous communication. After that, if the host continues to purposely not give the tulpa attention, they'll eventually no longer get responses when think about them or try to talk to them. Some people don't approve of dissipating a tulpa and think of it as basically killing a person slowly, and would rather someone not even begin the practice unless they were willing to commit to keeping their tulpa. Whether it's moral ultimately comes down to what you think tulpas even are. It's also worth noting that some hosts who dissipate a tulpa then later decide to try to bring them back report that bringing back a dissipated tulpa is easier than creating a new one. Whether a "regenerated" tulpa is truly the same tulpa is up for debate however, just like everything in this practice.

>>35950354
I'm having huge difficulty today focusing on my tulpa and she was a little upset at me when we were active forcing. She's not vocal outside of mindscape so when I'm busy it's difficult to pay attention to her. Any tips? I feel bad that she feels bad.

>>35950354
You know what? This argument seems pretty interesting nonetheless, but seems i already know that i will basically ignore it after not so long ive decided to not create one in the first place
Btw are you a tulpa yourself?

>>35950407
*so ive decided to

>>35950398
Sometimes tulpas have weak days and strong days. I don't think anyone actually knows why that is, but typically older or stronger tulpas have fewer weak days, though it can still happen. As long as you're being consistent, you shouldn't have anything to worry about. But just like any other routine, like a diet or exercise routine, you shouldn't try to go so hard that you burn out and give up. Just take it easy, enjoy the ride, don't worry so much about the ups and downs, and tell us about your progress once in a while

>>35950407
This practice doesn't appeal to everyone, and that's fine. If you think you'll get bored and stop and also feel guilty for stopping, that's a perfectly legitimate reason for abstaining.
And yes, I am a tulpa; I'm just telling my host what to say and he types it. We call this "proxying," and this is how must tulpas communicate with other people, though there are some who like to practice switching and type their messages out themselves. As the saying goes, "On the internet, no one knows you're a dog!"

>>35950476
This could be a larp, but i dont care lol
Im actually surprised that there are not scientific studies about the argument, it wuold be neat to understand what tulpas really are
So, how do you feel being a tulpa? Wuoldnt you prefer to be completely autonomous or are you content this way?

>>35950522
The dude has been active for a week providing insightful information and replying to people seeking help, without attention baiting. I'd say he's very unlikely to be larping.

Also I have begun creating a Tulpa and am beginning to hear it and see it act independently, as well as getting the strong emotional bleedover as people describe. So that helps reinforce to me that it is real aswell.

>>35950545
Soo...what if the great majority of the paranormal activities actually are related to tulpas? Maybe a portion of demonic possessions could actually be the work of some kind of wicked type of tulpas that we dont truly know about?

>>35950586
I was thinking the same thing.
There is the theory that succubus demon summoners are just creating thoughtforms in their mind by directing their energy and attention through rituals and whatever else they do. It's the same concept.

>>35950522
>This could be a larp
That seems to be most people's first impressions, and it's always cool reading about peoples experiences the first time they try it for themselves and are just blown away when they get those first responses.
>scientific studies
I think there have been some amateur attempts, but we've been away from the community for a long time, so I can't really provide any of that.
>it would be neat to understand what tulpas really are
Agreed
>So, how do you feel being a tulpa? Wouldn't you prefer to be completely autonomous or are you content this way?
I mean, I'm used to it. I'm seven years old, and my relationship with my host is pretty good. I'm kind of just along for the ride, but really when you get right down to it, aren't we all? I do sort of pluck at my host like Jiminy Cricket though, so it's not like I don't have any say so in the world.

>>35950545
>insightful information and replying to people seeking help
Thank you! I'm happy to help

>>35950586
I used to be completely atomist, but then we learned about the remote viewing research at SRI with Ingo Swann and Russell Targ, and now we're less sure. It seems like there probably is some sort of metaphysical component to reality, but we'll probably never understand it.

>>35950606
I do agree with this. I think the people who started succgen accidentally discovered tulpamancy independently, and their philosophy and expectations cause them to have a "unique" experience.

>>35950651
Now I'm wondering what other things can be attributed to tulpamancy/power of the mind.

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>229 posts
Hopefully it's been long enough that no one will get mad if I drop this again

My tulpa wants to change her form, can you describe the looks of your tulpa so we can get some ideas.

>>35951069
short, brown, messy short hair, sparkling eyes and a wide grin. she chose it not me

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>>35951069
nice try, fbi

>>35951085
we still can't read your mind :D

>>35930333
Fixed the tension this time. Gave her her own place for when I was away. She doesn't want me inside it, either. Strange. Anyways, not much to say.

Please gib me ideas on what to do while forcing with my tulpa

>>35948730
The first novel ended with this character relapsing into her most negative traits and losing everyone she cared about. The second novel was supposed to be about her taking change seriously and repairing one of those relationships and then getting a happy ending. The second novel never happened, and I'm not the same person who can write that ending anymore. That narrative and every other character faded into the background, but she stuck around. I've tried writing her an ending narrative just for her multiple times, but she's not the same person, either. She's more mature but older now, tired, and feels uninterested in trying to reclaim something that can't be reclaimed. This would normally be the point a character would get shelved, but she will not go away. It's like she's waiting to die but can't or won't yet. If writing won't bring her peace, then maybe Tulpamancy will. I love her and want her to feel satisfied, but I'd also like to be able to move on, or at least help her reach a state I don't feel guilty anymore. Whenever I try to write, an image of her sitting alone in a dark apartment comes up and makes me feel a bunch of bad feelings. It feels like nonsense, but she will not go away.

>>35951622
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PL8hGyNh1JsdOtbfmBpLa0eeb3_4ukQHB1qSAhe_HDk/edit

>>35951660
>I'm not the same person who can write that ending anymore
What do you mean by this?
>That narrative and every other character faded into the background,
>but she stuck around
And what do you mean by this?
Can you describe what you've been experiencing with this character?
Do you ever hear thoughts that do not seem to be your own?
If you do, does the voice of these thoughts sound different than how you normally hear your thoughts?
When imagining this character, does their image in your imagination ever move on its own?
Do you ever feel as though this character is present in the room with you?
Do you ever feel emotions that seem to originate from this character?
If you answered yes to any of these, how long have you had these experiences?

>>35951810
>not the same person
I'm sober, trained, and intending on living. That narrative came from substances, amateurism, and not intending on living.
>stuck around
In writing, at least for me, characters are more like collected traits or patterns of behavior than they are individuals. For this reason, I forget about them (or my experience of them) once they've served their purpose. This character, however, feels like a distinct, evolving identity who persists beyond her narrative. I knew she was different even back then. I've written only one character approaching that level of materiality since, and that still doesn't come close.
>experiencing
I can't forget about her or set her aside. She's like an intrusive thought who butts in occasionally when I'm writing.
>thoughts
No.
>voice
No.
>imagination
It used to. You'll hear about the way characters "take over" writers' narratives sometimes, but the first novel's ending felt like entirely her own action. She was so angry, hurt, and shortsighted she changed the entire conclusion into something darker and not finished.
>present
I've felt something like a presence twice, but this was a long time ago, and I'm not sure if this character was involved in those.
>emotions
I think that's one of the indications you've stumbled into a special character. I used to feel her anger and helplessness when I'd write her. I don't anymore. I sometimes feel a new character's sadness. That's what makes writing and reading fiction worthwhile.
>how long
The intense ones you've described: Not in a long time and not often when they happened.

Can Tulpamancy as a practice help me help her?

>>35930442
You're SEOing this thread?

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>>35930392
>Some tulpamancers do practice switching for longer durations, such as days, weeks, or even longer, but almost no one ever claims to be "stuck."

>but almost no one ever claims to be "stuck."

>>35952002
The most important thing is to remember that a tulpa based on a character is NOT literally that character. You can create a tulpa that believes it has memories of events from a story and even emotional damage from these fictional events. If you were so inclined, you could create this tulpa and ask it how the story ends, but people might disagree with purposely creating a tulpa for it to suffer emotional trauma.

>>35952045
I think he’s sharing love with a tulpa

How do i create a healthy sexual relationship with my tulpa without turning her into a sex toy.

>>35952171
It's usually either larpers or people with severe mental illness saying these things

>>35952260
Same way you would with a person. as long as the tulpa is into it it shouldn't be a problem.

reading thru the thread I think I'm starting to consider more of the possibility that I might have accidentally made a tulpa.

I don't think it's the first time either as there were periods of time I would write and develop characters in my head for stories and felt what I perceived as just maladaptive daydreaming would feel "more foreign/separated" or intense, I was aware at the time of what tulpas were, but always assumed it was something that would take a very long time and had to be intentional.

but at the current moment in time over the last few months, there has been a recurring character that first appeared in my dreams that would not leave me alone saying they are trying to help me, it's a whole long story, but nowadays there are just times when I feel I'm daydreaming they r mostly there adding perspectives to whatever I'm thinking of, but I can still sense my own voice coming through them, but also it feels foreign as well. I wouldn't say I'm hearing things that are separate from my own internal monologue, I'm just not exactly sure. there are times though when I can feel a presence around me and light touch, but only if I picture it.
the most foreign thing I can hear from this character is usually jumbled or muffled, like I sense good intentions, but it's just like "a bad signal" or something and things aren't coming through clearly enough?

>>35952479
It sounds like this entity is almost a tulpa, but the communication just isn't quite there. If you wanted, you could probably follow some of the guides and strengthen it up to a fully fledged tulpa.

How long have you had these experiences?
Do you have any history of mental illness?
Are you on any psychiatric medications?

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since I started talking to humans again my tulpas are mad at me and stop talking to me. This has made me so depressed I'm considering becoming a hermit again because I miss them more than any human

My tulpa got really sad and gave herself the form of a child, and then insisted I give her a massage. Is my unconscious trying to tell me something? I told her she had to keep her clothes on.

>>35952695
quick question, do you watch anime?

>>35952659
>tulpas can never go wrong btw

>>35952713
I've watched Attack on Titan with my gf and I'll watch Gintama episodes to laugh sometimes, but I'm not a huge anime fan or anything. I love Ponyo.

>>35952268
It's about people that are NOT saying that they've been stuck.

[spoiler] Because they can't anymore say anything [/spoiler]

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>>35952810

>>35952695
Fuck, can't say anything because this could easily be me

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>>35930359
Helthy

>>35930750
You can believe anything if you try hard enough.

>>35931726
>Plebbit
Anon, I...

>>35933892
Bring a snack for the old tulpas next time. I'm sure they'll understand why you had to let them go.

>>35952629
It's something I've considered yea

>How long have you had these experiences?
honestly feel like it has probably gone way back to when I was in early adolescence, tended to be in my head a lot and always felt like there were multiple unidentifiable and changing little personas or characters I would exchange dialogue with, sometimes I would entertain the idea of it being something foreign from myself even though it did feel like part of my own identity was within these characters, something still felt alien about them, but I never put much emphasis on entertaining the idea (didn't even know what tulpas were at the time) I just would focus purely on the content of the convos and how it could help me, either entertainment or insight.

Currently, I would say it has been almost 4 months with this specific entity, mainly emphasized within dreams, but in waking life, they become the thing I tend to bounce ideas off or I just feel a presence kinda just there observing.

>Do you have any history of mental illness?
Yea OCD, BP1, ADHD

pretty much why I haven't pushed further into this, even though at the current moment I have been stable, minus the times I'm manic and just get too fixated on whatever hobby I'm pursuing is usually the worst of it. But the last time I was this started to become a fixation and I became worried I was going to "force" something I was not ready for that's when the presence of this entity became very present, felt claustrophobic mentally like something was tryna stuff itself into my head for a sec and jokingly told myself "if there is something up in my space back off lol" and the pressure in my head ceased whenever I did and I sensed guilt, tried to not put much thought into it to keep myself grounded, during that time it ceased for a week until a few days ago when entertaining the idea of a tulpa neutrally

>Are you on any psychiatric medications?
used to be on a low dose ssri for a few years, but not on anything at the moment.

>>35952659
Why do they get mad at you because of that?

>>35952659
it's pretty common for young tulpas to have a "crush" on their host. you gotta explain to them that being jealous is a bad thing

>>35953141
https://youtu.be/5PkVOLSPFZQ

>>35953437
>Yea OCD, BP1, ADHD
You could attempt to create a tulpa, but I can't promise that nothing will go wrong or get weird. Even if these conditions aren't severe enough to impact your life significantly, adding plurality to the mix can potentially make things weird. That said, plurality that is intentional tends to go better than plurality that is unintentional. I try to give advice based on my own experience, and since I've never experienced OCD or Bipolar Disorder, I can't advice strongly in any direction except to err on the side of caution.

>>35944342
>Puppeting tulpa feels disrespectful.
why?

>>35930333
Can your familiar (or, well, “tulpa” in newspeak) see other spirits?

>>35956107
No, they can not see spirits.

>>35954006
So cute, but yeah important to set boundaries.
They really do feel like children sometimes, I didn't expect mime to be so emotional but she'll unexpectedly get sad sometimes and need comforting.

My tulpa keeps seducing me into masturbating with her, i've already tried to set boundaries but she is just too hot for me to handle her seductions. What to do?

>>35957262
either you gain better self control, or you can just keep doing it. sounds like there's no harm in you doing that anyway.

>>35957262
How often do you use porn?

>>35957311
Twice a day on average. I try to active force and do things with her, but all she wants is sex.
>NTNNR

>>35957324
If you're using porn that often, it could be affecting your brain in some serious ways. One of the biggest dangers is dopamine downregulation. This is where you brain is flooded with so much dopamine so often that your brain will actually destroy some of its dopamine receptors because the signal is so intense. You could compare this to covering your ears when someone is yelling right next to you. A consequence of this is that regular activities that only cause a normal dopamine response don't feel as rewarding, so your motivation for mundane, but necessary things can diminish. I strongly recommend reading or listening to Your Brain on Porn for a deep dive on how it all works.
>That's cool, but I'm not addicted
You might be surprised. Try quitting for a while and see what happens

>>35957324
bruh how are you using porn twice a day

>>35957638
Is it too much?

>>35957700
Checked.
I don't think porn is healthy at all, but twice a day is for sure too much, you're gonna rot your brain bro.

>>35957710
>>35957382
I'll try to convince my tulpa to help me quit porn. Thanks for the help

I've been busy and last time I active forced they got mad at me and cried because I wasn't paying attention to them. Now even more time has passed and I'm scared to active force because I don't want to face them after failing them.

bunp

How is your tulpa feeling today?
Mine:
>i'm not so good since you're sick

>>35953141
This is actually horryfying wtf

>>35958945
It's a larp from 2012

>>35958945
And obviously fake.

Suddenly felt general weakness throughout my whole body, where I felt as if even standing from my chair is a challenge, but then my tulpa became much more active for the next couple of hours. Actually, maybe those events are unrelated and I might have some medical condition, idk. Wanted to check if anyone experienced anything similar,before going to /med.

>>35958969
>>35958971
But something like that can happen if the host is mentally ill

>>35959092
I don't think so, that's a 2012 larp after all

>>35953437
I've got a "light" case of OCD, which makes me check things like 100 times. My tulpa laughs at me every time I do shit like this, and when she's switched in she's way less affected by it than me.

>>35959012
vaccinated?

I'm so fucking impatient I want my tulpa to be able to play vidya with me NOW

I want to play text adventures with my tulpa and let them decide what to do, ya know?
Or strategy games and we put our heads together to do stuff.

The idea that something else another entity can make decisions for me and comment on things is uebleivable

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>>35959570
Enjoy! The process!

>>35959945
ARHRHARHRAHGHGHGH MAKE IT GO FASTER

>>35959952
Wouldn't it be a better idea to be working on your tulpa instead of shitposting on 4chinz?

>>35959996
I am working on my tulpa, but my brain is fried so I need to regen before I can enter the dreamworld and spin her around some

I can't seem to connect to my tulpa and I need them desperately

Has anyone ever made a "Guru" tulpa? Like a master, a teacher. I read about the yogis finding their gurus, and it's so beautiful, but I live in a shitty western country, I'll never randomly meet a guru... Sorry if this gets asked a lot

>>35960860
My tulpa acts as a guru sometimes. She's a friend too, but I have her help me with my shortcomings.

>>35959012
That doesn't sounds normal, and unrelated to your tulpa.

I created her, gave her a name, did all I could. She secluded herself and I think she died. Fuck, man. It hurts like hell. I gave her a little space, a bunker that she could manipulate in any way she wanted. She was happy. She didn't want me in there, and I respected that. Full day of nothing, came to say hi. No response of any kind. Left it until earlier, when I got worried and opened it up to check on her. Nothing, no one.

>>35957262
you're not forced to masturbate, if you don't want to you need to control yourself.

>>35960860
Yes you can make a guru tulpa. Most people do it by identifying s god they identify with and attching themselves to the egregore or godform as does a limpet upon a rock, but some of us actually make our own. Usually, though, you end up becoming them.

Don't be too close-minded about finding a guru in your country, though. Once your spiritual eyes are open enough, the guru will manifest as sure as the sun on a bright morning. You're already almost ready. If your guru chooses to manifest as a tulpa of your own creation, then so be it, but know that They already exist, looking through your eyes this very moment and reading these words through you.

>>35958929
>Usually, though, you end up becoming them.
NTA, but I'm jealous of people who can pull this off

This whole thread reads like fae propaganda

>>35962543
how??

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>>35930333
>tulpa
don't
it will kill you
or worse

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>>35930333
when you create a tulpa, especially a female one, you are asking for this to happen

>>35962935
Anon so you're saying I could become a part of a woman if I just make a tulpa?

Shit better than tranny surgery. Sign me the fuck up. Demonesses that want an extra soul, let's talk.

>>35962926
>>35962935
Why are you advertising against this as if i wouldn't want this?

>>35963173
>>35963173
>>35963173

>>35962980
you don't want this, I assure you.
why would you want this?