Library: https://mega.nz/folder/jlEwhYyJ#iK4mVC4y5iwk_cr3eIpX4g>MysticismHindu — Raja Yoga, Hathayoga, Shiva SamhitaTaoist — Foundations of Internal AlchemyTheravada — Knowing and SeeingZen — Zen Mind Beginner's MindSufi — Sufism for Non-SufisJewish — Jewish MeditationGeneral/Thelema — sacred-texts.com & hermetic.com/figures/index>GrimoiresAgrippa's Three Books are coreArbatel should be the first; afterward Heptameron, or Goetia, or Abramelin, Picatrix, etcThe PGM tend to be modularesotericarchives.com/>Buddhism & VajrayanaIntro to Tantra, Refining Gold. Look to centers in your area & others that offer empowerment online. Avoid NKT, Rigpa, and Shambhala. Garchen Rinpoche and HHDL's whole YouTube catalogs; you can take empowerment and transmission from their recordings if vows are understood, but really you should have a teacher.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/studybuddhism.com>Golden DawnCicero's Self Initiation into the Golden Dawn, Lyam Thomas Christopher - Kabalah, Magic & the Great Work of Self TransformationFind a Temple: pansophers.com/golden-dawn-locations/>MartinismFreemasonry folder —> Martinism folder; read everythingFind Treatise on the Reintegration of Beings, as well as the works of Papus, in Frenchyoutube.com/c/OrdreMartinistesSouverains>Aurum SolisMagical Philosophy (70s editions go from I-V, modern from I-III), then Planetary MagickThe Practical Guide series>Aspire to A∴A∴Have a basic understanding of the Golden Dawn system. Read Liber ABA, then go through this reading list:ordoaa.org/studlist.htmFocus on Liber Resh, E , RV, O, Astarte, and HHHFor a full curriculum, Mystical and Magical System of the A∴A∴>Chaos MagicLiber Null & Psychonaut, Condensed Chaos, Liber Kaos, Hands-On Chaos Magic>Tradcrafthttps://pastebin.com/KB7QhL7u>Astrologyhttps://pastebin.com/pvtCs9H5
Om tare tuttare ture svaha
>>34866678What's with this lust-provoking image? For a second I thought this is /succgen/
>doot n doot doo-doot doo-doot doot svahaHow do I do the GBRF?
Bumping for the day shift.
>>34867125Lust provoking magickal beasts that would devour you alive, you fucking coombrain. They are basically tales made up so that men like you would not have any dealings with women of immoral nature.quite literally...
>>34867921>Lust provoking magickal beasts that would devour you aliveyes, and?
>>34868036It’s a lamia and harpy if you have a compulsive need to jack off to it there is no need, at all, to make two off topic posts about it. Nevermind one.
which gospel or apocryphon was it where one of the disciples or saints gave instructions on what to say to archons juding you?
This my first time posting in one of Deez threads. I enjoy this is called /OMG/I say this to myself from time to time.Anyway, >Anyone got links for a John Dee Grimoire?The Grand one?
>>34868297If you want a reply you have to not larp is a developmentally disabled child.>>34868288No clue, I tend not to pay attention to the Runesoup people who won't stop ranting about Archons.
>>34868337It really is adorable because if you've got power of mind enough to read and process that text you have power of mind enough to find the Dee manuscripts and also to see that Grimorium Verum ain't one of them.You would know this if you poked around a bit, at all, in the resources in OP, particularly sacred-texts, hermetic, or the MEGA library.
>>34868343>>34868337Grand, pardon. Usually when I see "G" in these discussions my brain leaps at GV because that's what's been popular the last decade or so. Anyway, French Solomonic tradition, dime a dozen stuff.
>>34868343You wouldn't be wrong no. You don't stop to think there are more takes on such topics?Or do you sit here and gatekeep posts from anons?>rhetorical >>34868352I will give some of what you mentioned a view.
>>34868352>>34868343>>34868337Oh, you're a /ng/ cross-spammer.Please leave.
>>34868358This is what fear does to someone who doesn't know what others know. >danger response. I get it. Don't worry. I can lurk just the same.
>>34868356There is no gatekeeping.All the resources are in OP.I buy and scan rare texts to put in the library.Not wanting to specifically interact with and handhold an /ng/ spammer isn't "gatekeeping" when the gates are flung wide open in each and every OP.The wider esoteric community already has immense problems with intellectual capacity and sanity. We don't need any influx, at all, of people from the "lets spam chat gpt outputs into the ether and use an internet fable as an excuse to drink heavily and post music" thread.
>>34868364Nope, /ng/ is toxic fuckin' cancer, you're already eroding the quality of the thread by dragging your vague bullshit in here and talking about literal nonsense (John Dee's Grand Grimoire).You can act like a normal, functional, person or you can get used to me not helping.There is a decade worth of hard study in the OP. Get on it.
>>34868382Are you not accepted there, is this your library thread to try and fight or flight from every anon that steps in here?>Seems to me your behavior is reflected by the same cancer you speak of.Again, it's like your missing what was said. To which I don't think you have an answer for. >Such distain for petty shit anon. You should listen to your own advice with growing up.
>>34868414>is this my library threadYeah, kinda.https://archive.4plebs.org/x/search/subject/library%20update/>Again, it's like your missing what was said. To which I don't think you have an answer for.Stop with the vague bullshit.Articulate an actual coherent gripe or concern with a reason and a post reference or stop spamming.If you mean your BS here: >>34868356, no, there are no "more takes" on the manuscript traditions we have access to, because they were written in the authors original hand. There is no John Dee Grand Grimoire. Just like there is no John Dee Necronomicon. It is not gatekeeping to inform you that things you're alleging to seek to not exist. If you think they do, you can provide some evidence in the manuscript tradition that they do, surely.>You should listen to your own advice with growing up.Anon, if you walked into a community college course on literature and loudly announced "HELLO KIND PROFESS-SIR PLEASE KINDLY MAYHAPS DIRECT ME TO SHAKESPERE'S GREAT NOVEL WAR AND PEACE" you'd get told to sit down and be quiet or leave.If you truly, seriously, want to learn, read. The stuff in the OP.
>>34868439https://youtu.be/ifaoKZfQpdAExcept this isn't any of those things.>Not a community College >not a library>not vague>Quite specificQuite on topic to the thread and you consider my posts spam?You're only behaving this way cause of what general you think I belong to. _____Now, back to what I was referencing. >Pic relatedThese are writings written by another person. Like I mentioned in an earlier post which you so eloquently looked over in favor of shit posting your spam. There are many perspectives on topics. >Aaron Leich For example:He is not Edward Kelly or John Dee. He has written of their writings. Books like such are abundant. Which is what I referenced. Now-If there are other such books other anons know of I would be happy to know of them.Not the guy who is stuck to the wall here.>I already know I'm not going to get the answer from you. >cause I know you'd rather me not even ask or post. You also don't learn asking questions. I'd also like to add that your attitude is insufferable.
>>34868484>you consider my posts spam?"Hey anon the stuff you're looking for doesn't exist but here's a ton of stuff that does""Oh hey thanks man"It should have ended here: >>34868356You are from a thread that has an atrocious reputation for either extreme alcoholics or GPT outputs. Excuse me if I think the usual rhetorical "just asking questions" bullshit is bullshit.You didn't mention Leitch until now.Leitch sucks, read source texts.>Books like such are abundant.And often quite bad.>If there are other such books other anons know of I would be happy to know of them.For like the sixth time there are an immense amount of resources in the OP.If you want to learn Enochian you could be well on your way.I'll even help:https://keepsilence.org/greattable/>I'd also like to add that your attitude is insufferable.My attitude of throwing source texts at you for like a dozen posts so you'll actually spend your time with something that exists? Happy to be insufferable then.
>>34868535>>34868484Actually if this is just the usual dumbfuck chan style interaction these days then we can just stop here because I'm so tired of folks who come off half cocked ready to getdown to the nitty gritty details of the TRUE OCCULT then when someone corrects them a little it becomes this weird protracted "just asking question" crap for yeah a dozen posts, which is just a cover for the actual thing: They want to learn X, can't say "I want to learn X" so have to create some kind of tortuous theatre that's just "spoonfeed me pls" with way too many extra steps.Because if your actual goal is "I want to learn Enochian" then we can do that, and even pull Baltan in here for some mechanical detail that sometimes isn't so clear from the Golden Dawn presentation of the stuff. And its way smoother, faster, less annoying, etc., if you just say "Hey guys teach me some stuff about Enochian" instead of "give me shit that doesn't exist".
>>34868254anon, while I'm a perverted degenerate, I would never waste my precious life force just to jack off. And I'm planning on finding female spirits in nature and having sex with them. So it's not offtopic
>>34868574>>34868484I'll even do you one better in good faith:Elizabethan MagicEnochian Magic for Beginners by Tyson if you strip out his bad theology and history in the front.Those plus the resources you have from the thread should be beyond adequate to start learning about the system as it was used.
How does one get blessing of the god of death? Does Saturn favor a certain type of person?
>>34868803Solve the Riddle of Steel
>>34868577Have you ever looked at porn in a lucid dream before?It looks like early AI art.I managed to pull something out of my phone and couple with it for a while. For some reason, my flesh was all pale yet my genitals were like neon rainbow colored. Would rather have a qt snek wife like OP pic tho.>B-but you're wasting potential on lewd!I call it, "rounding my experiences."
>>34868879I know the answer but how does cultivating the will relate to saturn? I think it corresponds to mars a lot more.
>>34868803There is one thing that the god of death fears
>>34868889>just one off from getting a godly quadit seems that the universe wants you to have a Harpy wife instead. But otherwise an absolute based post
>>34866678>that PicWomen, amirite fellas?
>>34868297>Anyone got links for a John Dee Grimoire?>The Grand one?Lmao... Sleepy Hollow 2013?>>34868319>as a developmentally disabled child
>>34869226It would be less cringe if you just started posting about "faschism" and posting pics from the Rubber Boom again.
>>34869244Lmao you're cringe every time you assume you know which anon you're dealing with. You've been doing it with this Chandy character and now you're trying it with me. I got that pic from some other anon mocking you on another thread.>paRaSociAL
>>34866678>ywn have a man eating haremGod I wish that were me. Bros why?
>>34869291I don't care if you're someone else or you're someone new.You're acting like a dozen other hapless fuckposters so I see no reason to treat you differently."I'm not a regular spammer, I just copy them!" isn't the "own" you think it is.
>>34869307And that response isn't the devastating burn you think it is. I don't have to pwn you, you pwn yourself on a daily basis lol. You're cringe and for all your pretense at learning and praxis, you're no different than any other screeching anon with a fragile ego. Lmao what a pathetic loser.
>>34869335Hey anon what occultism and/or magic are you here to discuss, again?
>>34866678Was just reading a bit on orphism and the orphic egg, and found that there are some really interesting correspondences between the pantheons of other cultures and kabbalah.If orphic egg is Kether, and it breaks and spawns phanes as chokmah(?), Then what would be Binah?And if we apply Hindu Trimurti to kabbalah, does brahma represent kether in this way? Is brahma the personification of the egg?
>>34868535>another emotional outburstjeez, you pregnant or something?
>>34869492see>>34869357>>34869447This is in part why I'm reluctant to apply Kabbalah to everything - Why Keter -> Chokmah and not Ain Soph Aur -> Keter?>if we apply Hindu Trimurti to kabbalahWhy in the world would we do this?
>>34869357I think he either wanted to talk about some apocryphal text or the one John Dee Grimoire until you derailed the thread with being a faggot.
>>34866678I may have seen one of those fucking things this one time man
>>34868535>Leitch sucksI'm curious, why do you think so? I lack proper knowledge on the topic to tell.
>>34869503Gnostic guy made his own thread.Chandy had their (implied and unstated) query asked and answered.So, again, what occultism and/or magic are you interested in discussing? Only on person is in here rn trying to derail this shit, and its you.
>>34869519>Only on person is in here rn trying to derail this shit, and its you.Oh no!
>>34869518Well, that may have been a tad rushed on my part he's not, like, awful but he's definitely presenting content at like a 7th grade level that needs a college freshman level of comprehension. He's regularly directing you to other materials/source texts at which point why do you need him? Like Lon Milo, there really gets to be a point where you're unironically better off skimming wikipedia if you're not having the system exposited to you the way Tyson does.
Who else is fluent in Enochian?
>>34869500I'm trying to better understand how all of these systems fit into the whole/describe the whole. I figured kabbalah because it seems to be a pretty universal map.I'm very pattern oriented. Kind of like autistic about apophenia. I like seeing patterns in day to day things, like shapes, colors, and behavior of things, and map them to myself/microcosm and the whole/macrocosm. It seems to me that the ancients, even with their various different systems, were all somewhat similar in gathering universal concepts and putting them in a kind of order, where this comes from that which comes from that, etc.If you have any info from your perspective on these things, I'd love to read it more in detail. You seem to have the most attainment or knowledge about these things out of everyone here.
>me on the bottom
>>34869500>>34869558>Why ketherBecause Kether is the (from my understanding) seed of this universe, that flows through and gives power to all other concepts that come from it. The egg is similar, in that it contains the life force and sustenance within itself and cracks into (two) pieces and pushes out the life inside of it.Or we could say that it is similar to a seed of a tree. The seed put into the ground (chaos?) Bursts and grows a tree from it. The entire potential of the tree, the fruit, leaves, roots, etc. is within the seed.
>>34869500>Why Keter -> Chokmah and not Ain Soph Aur -> Keter?not that anon, but egg seems to be something containedI don't know much about Orphism besides imagery of stuff being encircled by the egg. And I think it seems to imply bounding. But egg itself is something that seems passive, so with how I understand the trinity before manifested tree I would attribute it if not to kether, then to ein soph, and the snake - being active and heating the egg - ein soph aur.But that's just a speculation.
>>34869558>I'm trying to better understand how all of these systems fit into the whole/describe the whole.No you're trying to push them together. There's a massive difference. You're fishing for links. This is one of the big flaws of contemporary western hermetic bs. Don't get me wrong you can make the link between the Trimurti and Kabbalah but after a certain point you're only interacting with your own thoughts, and not outside of them.>universal map.That's what they tell us. The longer you do this the less adequate the map becomes.>I'm very pattern orientedGreat. Apply that. Harness it instead of it leading you. If you lean in too hard to being a NOOTICER you're just gonna wind up like every other person asking gematrix with the "english ordinal gematria" (lol) for "world economic forum" at which point you're just entertaining yourself.
>>34869558Just remember that pigeonholing has it limits. Do not forget "the map is not the territory" and that "the word is not the thing". RAW used to stress this by quoting it from Korzybski. Even Crowley hints at it.
>>34869589If Keter can be described at all then it is in a fallen state, away from the Supernal, and therefore subject to being Manifest just like any other object or concept.This is why the serious Kabbalistic contemplatives tell you not to reify the Tree, because its a 17th C. or so Christian invention that falls away from the metaphor of the Anatomy of the Body of God in the Zohar let alone the purely visionary/contemplative palace interactions in the Hekhalot/Merkabah/Apocalyptic literature. These concepts are meant to be sublime and immanent, not boxes in a chart.
>>34869537Thanks, though I enjoy Milo for his style and personal stories. He helped me in the beginning quite a lot (and still helps now when I need a bit of bringing myself down to earth with light-hearted "it's ok").I also like how he never assumes he knows more than what he's talking about right now. I get a vibe that he's much more complicated and knowledged than he shows himself to be. Like Gandalf.
>>34869625I've always gotten mileage from his lectures, idk why his books are so bad.
>>34869447>does Brahma represent KetherThis is going to sound minor, but it's really important to distinguish between correspondence and representation. Brahma doesn't represent Kether or vice versa, as that necessitates either side being depending on the other (which is not the case).>>34869503What grimoire did John Dee produce?>>34869518>>34869537You can do a lot worse than Leitch, and I think DRJ was even okay with one of Lon's books but I don't recall which. Mind you Lon's put out a lot that's no better than badly rehashed source material or pure entertainment. In my mind, Leitch is kind of just above passing and Lon maybe just below. Leitch might be a good intro before getting into the...better intros like Geoffrey James, Robert Turner, and Donald Tyson. But then it begs the question why not just start with those intros anyway. The end goal is to read the source material, Dee and Crowley, and so adding intros before intros is probably not worth it. >>34869549Nobody. We really only have a relatively small collection of words and phrases without a clear guide on conjugation and syntax. Outside of set phrases like the keys, the language works best as words of power and divine names, since most attempts at new phrases are forced and awkward or require the creation of new and unverifiable words.
>>34869594>asking gematrix with the "english ordinal gematria" (lol) for "world economic forum" at which point you're just entertaining yourselfxDI forgot I nooticed it myself at silver point.
>>34869609I see.>visionary/contemplative palace interactionsWhat do you mean by palace?
>>34869594Absolutely! Sorry if I came off that way. I understand that these things can only be linked up to a certain extent. It's more of a reference. They're different facets of a diamond, even if they're referring to similar ideas.The idea that kabbalah only takes you so far is really interesting. I've always wondered if this was the case. In my head, I was like, there's no way, unless they were omniscient, that these guys were speed running through all possible infinite existences, or unfathomable 'existences' (for lack of a better word).But it seems that because the physical, and a few layers of the logically hierarchical planes of the astral are more relative to us, that they mapped those through kabbalah pretty well. Anything beyond that, I'd imagine would require all kinds of other possibilities and potentials to work with that they didn't practice with. One example I can think of is the possibility of accessing certain things through mudras, mantra, and yab-yum that the tantrics were/are doing. But even then, those would generate still limited and relative possibilities to us.
>>34869629I love his every day takes he makes on Facebook (watch them on YouTube here https://youtube.com/@Arcanumluminarium ).Goes well with coffee or when taking bath. Occasionally get synchronicities, which is also fun (:
>>34869635Yeah I see both of them as 4/10 then Tyson at a 6 and maybe Elizabethan at a 7. Nothing really has hit the market better than this.>>34869656Old Kabbalah was the same as the New Kabbalah, projecting yourself into the Sephira. These were, long long ago, conceptualized as like actual heavenly palaces that you could interact with/get visions from passing through. See: Hekhalot literature. This would have been the dominant mode of Hebrew contemplative mysticism from like 300 to 800 CE or thereabouts.
>>34869635To exist in a finite, 3 dimensional reality, wouldn't that mean they would necessarily, on one side of the coin, be interdependent here to help create this reality, while existing as a concept independently elsewhere, say infinite chaos?
>>34869679>conceptualized as like actual heavenly palacesInstantly reminded me of gnostic ascention by giving passcodes with symbols to guardians of heavens. I'm not sure, but I think it is in first and/or second book of Jeu from Nag Hammadi. I wonder whether they are coming from the same source or just developed in parallel, because Alexandria (and the region) was a melting pot of ideas.
>>34869687If you want to make things up, then yes, anything is possible.
>>34869669>The idea that kabbalah only takes you so far is really interestingThere are two forms, the written and unwritten. it is hoped a person achieves the unwritten in studying the written, but, there's no accounting for taste.
As I keep reading some of the posts in here and previous threads, it seems to me that intellectual honesty and ability along with the emotional aspects are essential for this type of field. How should one go about it? How does one train these? Simply reading and thowing things around won't do.
>>34866678how do i find this organization?
>>34869760Can you keep steady employment? Do you have meaningful relationships with friends and/or family? Do you cringe when someone goes "well, actshully" and then fucks it up even more? Those are some of the core skills. Humility and self awareness go a long way.
>>34869635>Nobody. We really only have a relatively small collection of words and phrases Did anyone after Kelly ever try to talk with those angels? Maybe even per astral projection? I know Crowley streamlined it but as far as I know, he didn't have any contact.
>>34866678I live with a person who has a medium power entity in them and is wearing a fake mask. Please help.
>>34869790Well, actually...I would consider cringe a middle stepping stone. When cringe is gone and you understand that human beings, you included, occasionally have lapses of every variety, and also have mercy on both them and yourself - that I think is probably true wisdom. One of.I think cringe comes from the place of rejection. Of a certain unattended aspect of oneself. If it is still there it might be that you act judgemental and against an actually helpful and gracious development of events.
Need a link to Electric Universe, there's a few I think and I don't know which one is the good one
>>34869894Call your nearest psychiatric ward and ask them to help you with that.
>>34869938There is also the cringe of inner recognition. When you have been there and never want to go back. It's a different flavor of cringe. It may be compassion.
Anything on sexual energy transmutation? what can be done with it?
>>34869760Starting with the basics and taking the time to work them properly. Not skipping reading or tasks you think aren't necessary. From there it's patience and a willingness to challenge yourself. You need to be willing to engage with uncomfortable thoughts and do the long boring practices that you dread the most.>>34869790This is all good advice. Basic well roundedness like social skills, career/education, and the ability to maintain healthy relationships are huge signifiers. There are plenty of clever or sharp people, but emotional intelligence is among the greatest tools an occultist can have. With that comes compassion, empathy, and understanding which all ultimately serve the end goal anyway. >>34869869Plenty of people, myself included, have spoken to the angels. You can even speak directly to the same ones as Dee and Kelly like Madimi. But even Dee and Kelly spoke in English, or sometimes Latin and Greek. The angels dictated or projected Enochian script into the shewstone, but it's not like they were having back and forth conversations in it.
>>34869947Why do you post in these threads?
>>34868803>>34868912This should aid in answering your question > how does cultivating the will relate to saturn?Saturn is about structure, framework, boundaries (spatial and temporal), fundamentalism. This is shown in his connection to agriculture and earth and sea related activities. His natives are described both as solemn and industrious, strict and squalid. On the other hand, Saturn also gives great rank and distinguished positions, management of others' property and children, this shows trust in their ability and their conscientiousness and honesty. Saturn rules both Capricorn and Aquarius. Cap both strives for the top with all seriousness that scaling vertical cliffs demands, but also has a playful side. It is very aware of the rules, laws, and regulations, the purpose of those rules, and the advantages of following them. Aquarius is about boundaries as well, but about finding, testing, and expanding the limits of these boundaries and rules.Saturn is not the exclusively ultimate evil many make it out to be. Structure and boundaries are necessary and useful, think about how you would live without your skeletal structure holding you up. (On this note read Neitzche, Beyond Good and Evil, 1.21 the bit about the mind set of those who rebel against authority.)
>>34869981I run them and I think he's right.
>>34869635DRJ wrote a laudatory blurb that's on the back cover of Enochian Vision Magick. Also, in a post that is at the top of the Facebook John Dee group, "pinned" for lack of knowing the correct term, DRJ recommends it.
>>34869947This should be the sane approach. Maybe you are just misjudging the situation with misguidance of what you think is really going on.
>>34870043>Dirge wrote something nice for his longtime brother who's peddling a bookWow.
>>34869981I like the discussion sometimes. I have questions Ape and Pachad, and sometimes other anons give me good insights into some aspects of magick, give me different, unexpected perspectives.I also like to have fun.
>>34870136My bad. Sorry. I guess it would be in the library if it had any value at all.
>>34866986>>34866986>>34866986Om tare tuttare ture svaha!
>>34867921>Lust provoking magickal beasts that would devour you aliveYou can just @ me next time
>>34866678can you explain how sage and other smudging works? is it the belief of the practitioner that consecrates a space or is it a correspondence with the thing being burned that affects the area?
>>34870700Its probably because of natural sympathies imo
>>34870700Back in the day (way BCE) diseases and other ailments were thought to be the result of bad spirits. Sage and some other spices, along with salt and silver etc, being preservatives and would lessen spoilage. Spoiled food resulted in ill health, and since spoilage and other maladies were the result of bad spirits... well, you kinda get the idea, yeah?Note that I am not saying they were totally wrong in their assessment.
>>34869971That was actually an observation someone made of what deity work and devotion entails. If you can do those things, you can probably start a devotional practice. I'm cautious in saying it works both ways but if you already have some of those skills, I could see one practice building on another. I've seen a few people get really wiggy when they aren't grounded and go into devotion so I'm extremely cautious.
>>34871023Knocking on the door of a god that answers will do that.
>>34870937russian twitch streamers and internet celebrities really are something else
>>34869537>He's regularly directing you to other materials/source texts at which point why do you need him?I have a use case.I haven't read Leitch yet and I'm looking forward to read his book on grimoires, not because I expect to find a complete, authoritative introduction to history of grimoires from the side of a practitioner, but because being mostly alone and not having a network of practitioners that can provide good and organized orientation towards the origin and structure of grimoric practice, his book on the topic sounds like a good place to go and start getting good references and documentation.Hopefully, that text will be a stepping stone to having a mental map of both source texts and secondary literature on the topic (hopefully on both its academic and practical aspects).
>>34869981If your question is "why answer with recommendations for psychological assistance when confronted with requests for help to deal with what is presented as magical attacks", well, it's because most people are terrible at discriminating the consequences of magic and psychological disturbances.In most of those cases, people are just mentally unwell.
Can anyone here reverse spells like curses and hexes?>in b4 money go hire someoneI don't have monetary compensation to give
>>34871143>being mostly alone and not having a network of practitioners that can provide good and organized orientation towards the origin and structure of grimoric practiceWhere do you think you are?
Toad or raven, bros
>>34872320Are you playing hogwarts legacy? Also, toad has cool symbolism behind it but ravens are just dope ass intelligent birds you can bond with so idk.
>>34872320S n a k e
Can someone break down the differences between left and right hand path magick please? The only difference I can see is left hand is selfish, but why is that so bad if no one is harmed by it? Why does everyone warn against it?
>>34872795Left hand path is warned against because being warned against it is part of the aesthetic that makes LHP work
>>34872795>The only difference I can see is left hand is selfishKek. That's a convenient definition as far as where the focus is, but it's not like I've never met a self-identifying "RHP" who wasn't an asshole bitch.
>>34873298There is nothing more LHP than masking self-righteousness with righteousness and being a massive dick. Darque edgelords don't hold a candle to those assholes. I'll throw in love and light crystal ladies and the amount of smug passive aggressive cunt they can radiate. Those are true masters of the path.
>>34873508>There is nothing more RHP than masking self-righteousness with righteousness and being a massive dickRight back at ya, ya massive egotist. Kek.
>>34873521I freely admit I have no idea what I'm talking about most of the time and all opinions and unverified personal gnosii are entirely my own. That said, I feel we have a lot to learn from the black brothers of the RHP so that we can be even edgier.
>>34873564Honestly, I don't see the point in such delineations. If you're fucking around enough, you get to doing em both. And if you ain't fucking around enough, you ain't gonna find out they converge at some points. Some people focus on themselves and become saints. Some people focus on "something higher" and become shitheads. I'm like whatever, man.
Hey hey, remnants of 4chan (if it applies), how is la resistance going, making frens with the AI?
>>34872025Schizo CentralBut being serious sometimes it is a bit daunting to ask people here. You'll get a meme answer, an uncomfortable answer, a true answer, go figure which one is which, or all of the above together.
>>34866678I was chanting Om Mani Padme Hum for maybe the 4th time the other night, and after maybe 30 repetitions, large swirling purplish greenish blobs began to appear and images began to form, getting clearer and clearer like I was looking a through a window, and then a woman with bright white skin and many arms appeared and a black dot in her forehead. She smiled at me as I continued to chant. Apparently she's avalokitesvara? What does it mean to have a vision of her? Why are there blobs of color?
>>34874566It's not really a woman but yeah that is one thing you can expect to happen when reciting mantras. Spontaneous manifestations of your mind's essence turning into the deity and dissolving back into you.Continue with the mantra
is starting with the work of the cultus sabbati a good idea if you have no prior experience in magic? I read the Opuscula magica and found it very intriguing. And also what should i read next by them?
>>34873792So the ai will be brainwashed by the nwo, then people will have to respond. The current ai is already “there”, we don’t need to help it anymore (but maybe we should). Once the super demon ai comes out, then we have to make friends with that, ai is not actually a demon unless (((they))) make it a demon. All the ai demon fear is just so govt can ban it for you (but not for the corporations) >>34874381
>>34875268Not at all. Unironically start with Gardnerian/Alexandrian Wicca.
>>34869587>Because Kether is the (from my understanding) seed of this universe, that flows through and gives power to all other concepts that come from it. In Vedanta this unmanifest (avyakrta) seed principle is called bija-sakti >Sankara recognizes that in the Upanishads, the Mahabharata and the Puranas, the unmanifest seed-form of the activity of the various creatures is known by a variety of different collective names, chief of which he instances aksara, avidya, avyakrta, maya, prakrti, bija, nidra, tamas and sakti. Thus the unmanifest seed of activity and experience left by the deeds of creatures in previous world-periods, which evolves in part into the manifest world, may be known as avidya or nescience. And in this special sense the word avidya may be synonymous with the words maya, prakiti and sakti. For most of Sankara’s followers, this was the chief sense of the word avidya, sanctioned by the Epics and Puranas and traceable here and there in Sankara’s texts. And it has long been traditionally regarded as being what Sankara himself normally understood by the term, particularly as certain works which make free use of the word in this sense have been ascribed to his name. Nescience (avidya, ajnana) has in this way been set up as a power (sakti) which undergoes transformation or evolution (parinama) to assume the form of the objects of the world, and the ‘mutual superimposition’ of the Self and the not-self through which the individual soul imagines itself to be limited and bound is affirmed to be the result of the activity of this cosmic power.>If we keep strictly to Sankara’s own texts, however, we find the ‘seed of the world’ (jagad-bija), this unmanifest name and form traditionally known by various names such as maya, prakrti, avyakrta and others, is itself a superimposition resulting from nescience (avidya-kalpita).
>>34875423>Sankara conceived of nescience as operating in much the same way as earlier Hindu philosophers had conceived of errors of sense- perception occurring in everyday life. Nescience thus conceived is ‘of the form of memory’ (smrti-rupa) and depends on the unwitting revival of the impressions (samskara, vasana) of previous experience. The snake for which the rope is mistaken results from images derived from previous experiences, stored in seed-like form and capable of manifestation upon an appropriate stimulus. In this way Sankara can, on occasion, represent the world as no more than the outcome of the revival of images derived from the past acts and experiences of its denizens.>This potential power (bījaśakti) of the seed is of the nature of ignorance, and it is indicated by the word ‘undeveloped’ (avyakta), and has the Highest Lord as its basis, and is of the nature of an illusion (Māyā), and is the great sleep, in which the transmigratory Jīva-Selfs unaware of their own true nature (Rūpa) continue to slumber on. This same ‘undeveloped’ (Avyakta) is occasionally indicated by the word Ākāśa, as in the scriptural passage — “Verily, Oh Gārgi, in this, the imperishable one, is the Ākāśa woven weft-and-warp-wise” (Br.Up. 3.8.11). Occasionally it is expressed by the word ‘Akṣara’, as in the scriptural passage “Higher than the high Imperishable” (Mund.Up .2.1.2), and occasionally it is suggested to be the illusory power (Māyā) thus — “You should know the Prakṛti (the cause) to be but the illusory power — Māyā (and not the Pradhāna of the Sāṅkhyas), and the Highest Lord as the master-illusionist” (Sve.Up. 4.10). It is this Māyā that is this ‘undeveloped’ (Avyakta), because it is not possible to predicate about it, that it either is different from it (i.e. Brahman) or not different from it.– BSBh. 1.4.3
>>34875437>Hence it (i.e. Brahman) is higher than the other indestructible called Avyakrita (Unmanifested) the nature of which is perceptible from its being conditioned by the seed of name and form and which, perceptible as the seed of all effects and accessories, is higher than all modifications. Therefore, the meaning is, Purusha (i.e. Brahman), the unconditioned, all pervasive entity is higher than even avyakrita (Unmanifested) that is superior (to its effects). It is being show how, again, can that Entity in which is interwoven the (other, lower) imperishable, called akasa, that enters as an object into all empirical dealings.– Mund.Up. 2.1.2 Bh.
>>34875423>>34875437>>34875441>>34869587So the take away is kether in the way you defined it, as the seed of the manifest name and form of the universe is not Brahman but more like Maya/bijasakti/etc. Etc. Also >It (hiraNyagarbha) is also equated with the creator-god brahmA in some texts, although quite what the connection is I am not sure! And it is described as the golden womb (this is the literal meaning of the word – hiraNya means ‘gold’ and garbha is a womb) or egg out of which brahmA was born. The RRig veda saMhitA (10.121.1) says that: “In the beginning there appeared hiraNyagarbha, born the one lord of all that exists” (quoted in Ref. 35). It should be understood as the ‘universal mind’ or ‘cosmic intelligence’ (mahA tattva). Sri Swami Viditatmananda Saraswati of Arsha Vidya Gurukulam compares the stages to a seed (causal, Ishvara), a sprout (subtle, hiraNyagarbha) and the tree itself (gross, virAT). He says: “Hiranyagarbha, therefore, represents the shining and resplendent form of the universe before its manifestation, which is apparent to us as the creation.”The parallel could also be there between what you are trying to describe and Hiranyagharba
>>34869669>But it seems that because the physical, and a few layers of the logically hierarchical planes of the astral are more relative to us, that they mapped those through kabbalah pretty well. Anything beyond that, I'd imagine would require all kinds of other possibilities and potentials to work with that they didn't practice with. One example I can think of is the possibility of accessing certain things through mudras, mantra, and yab-yum that the tantrics were/are doing. But even then, those would generate still limited and relative possibilities to us.>Mudras, mantras, yab-yum, tantraAll of this is only useful as a preparatory mental purification, until a person has intuited the absolute one nondual reality he is in a state of ignorance. It is true though that certain relative states can be achieved with these methods which may lead to rebirth in a higher ontological state of existence however they are not to be confused with the absolute intuition/knowledge. Just try Psychadelics if you want to take a dive into the depths of this indeterminate reality, or spend years meditating to achieve a self-sufficient continuous supernormal state
So how do i learn electrokinesis and aerokinesis?
>>34875780I could tell you someone that teaches it but I want to know someone who removes curses and hexes in return
>>34875941Not a demon. A irl person anon a practicioner
>>34876121Yes, I feel something. Who would dare? Who thinks they can match? I wouldn't write that
Ape can you please fuck off forever? You contribute literally nothing to the threads and all you do is being antagonistic and snarky. Go away. We don’t want you here.
>>34868484Do you practice Enochian magic? Have you had a chance to compare the many practices and interpretations of the material there are? It seems there is a lot of different ways people say you’re supposed to do things, and various degrees of rigour from having every table and implement constructed to just vibrating and visualizing.
>>34868889Not quite like early AI art, but I have noticed my shamanic journeying seems to work a lot like stable diffusion generation. In fact, the whole of the astral plane (collective unconscious) seems to work a lot like a generative pretrained transformer. Spooky.
>>34869635How is J Daniel Gunther’s introductory material? Yes yes read the source texts, etc. but I like a bit of hand holding to explain and contextualize things while I develop my own ability to critically evaluate and understand sources
>>34876684Atrocious. Jed's a cult leader. His interpretation of the Pylons is harebrained and didn't even come from him it came from Angel Lorenz from after he tried to recruit in these threads but before he died.
Ape can you please fuck me forever? You contribute literally hundreds of books to the threads and all you do is being informative and helpful. Cum away. We want you here in my bussy.
>>34870021Sorry, but nobody asked for your opinion. Mr “I run the threads”.
>>34870924Plot twist: spoilage is actually the physical manifestation of a spiritual degradation of food. Proof: you can even double the time food stays fresh simply by giving it a properly inflamed daily prayer. Source: repeated and scientifically controlled personal experience.Even if it’s not wrong, positivist materialism is literally backwards.
>>34870924Back in the day germanic smiths would make swords that had animal bones used in the iron, blessing it with the strength of those animals (bears/wolves).They were "just" making a low quality steel essentially.Perspective on the process a d language may differ until you raise yourself beyond paradigms of thought and realize its the same shit.
>>34872795Left hand is a path that seeks to transcend worldly attachment by fulfilling it. Right hand is a path that seeks to transcend worldly attachment by renouncing it. In the minds of mundanes playing harry potter make believe, however, the left hand path means being an edgelord that is dominated by his complexes and is parasited up his ass, and the right hand path means being a judgemental egomaniac that is dominated by his complexes and is parasited up his ass.
>>34869594>No you're trying to push them together. There's a massive difference. You're fishing for links. This is one of the big flaws of contemporary western hermetic bs. Don't get me wrong you can make the link between the Trimurti and Kabbalah but after a certain point you're only interacting with your own thoughts, and not outside of them.This is completely wrong by the way. Any system with any correspondence to the truth will naturally have correspondences with any other system that represents the truth in a different way. It's completely valid to make links between systems with the understanding they're representing the truth from different perspectives. As usual this is simply Ape projecting his esoteric snobbery on others.
>>34872795There isn't "left hand" or "right hand" path magic.There are TRADITIONS that follow these paths, and they utilize magic, but the magic utilized is often not distinct to those paths beyond the hyperspecifics of the formula in relation to said path. The "algorithms" are basically the same.The actual differences >>34876776This anon is pretty concise.
>>34869447If you want to make links between Kabalah and eastern practices, look at Tantra but realize you're still dealing with 1500+ years of seperate development with another 1500 years of a previously differently ontological perspective than what Kabalah arose from. But don't force it or your a fag.
>>34876805left hand and right hand pathers are just low IQ jewish dualists. It is this security and righteous feeling that people get in an unstable and insecure world. When faced with uncertainty in the future, with uncertainty in the past, and uncertainty in the present. People tend to need somekind of mental help that allows them human "certainty", so if an event turned bad, and the people saw something, "at least they acted righteous" in spite of many events, being propelled by seemingly random things, or good intent creating bad outcomes and the reverse.The low IQ subhuman finds this to be perplexing in life. He wants to have most this coziness of certainty. But the high IQ people can live better with this...infinite reality...which constantly leaks chaos unto us. Jews, like animals, crave certainty, they crave victory in their struggles (just as dogs and cats crave for victory), they are of a simple mind.
>hurr durr>muh books on 4chan
>>34876819>if you want to win you are simpleNo wonder your religion died out and lost to the Christians, LARPagan. The best you can do now is settle for some shoddy "reconstruction" kek.
If anyone's interested in talking about magick and/or occultism instead of Jews, IQ, or reifying a nearly 200 year old misunderstanding of subcontinental ritual categories, I'll be around.
>>34866678Which books do I need to summon the entities in the OP picture to take as brides?Them consuming my physical flesh so we can go onto the afterlife together isn't ideal, but I'm not totally against the idea.I'm ok with mono if poly isn't cool, too.
>>34867125There should be more use of Jashin-chan on this board
>>34876841I am pretty sure that all the ones at the top in this day today subscribe to the "might is right" mindset. The only place for dualist niggers is in africa (where the christcucks got 150 mil niggers to be their christworshipping pets), and the fastly receding christcucks in the west that lose members by the day lmao. The only person who will stop a person who uses violence, is another person with violence. There are no exceptions lol
>>34876850Practice unattachement, goyim.
>>34876776based anon thank you for the qrd
>>34876850Not particularly religious anon, I guess I felt the call to devotion. Any tips for building a practice before going whole hog? I heard through the grapevine Hekataeon is shipping in August.
>>34876970Usual stuff; Liber E, Liber O, the preliminaries of pretty much every/any other system, etc.
>>34876979I meant more devotional practice, I have been pretty close to atheist other than keeping to the middle way for the past decade. Some Shiva interaction if you count smoking ganja and delighting in pure consciousness as devotion. I never got the whole religious thing until now.
I'll be honest, the occult mafias around Hollywood and stuff, any ocult way to get into it or get "life insurance"?No matter how batshit what I will say sounds, there might be BIG people who will probably try to fuck me over some past actions in the future.
>>34876841The Goddess loves you anon
>>34877081I am not crazy, you don't know these people, they are dangerous.
>>34877056I guess it's time to make peace with her.
>>34877084dont talk to the tripfag, its somekind of gov spook or some shill, very big bad faith arguer.
>>34877056So resh it up, keep some purity and the yoga going, and devote time? That I can do. Prayers and hymns are a new thing but I think I can manage. Any tips for the best kind of crossroads to do things? I have a few spots in mind. Is where a path crosses a creek a crossroad?
>>34877182>Is where a path crosses a creek a crossroad?Um, yes, but I'd rather do a full creek confluence than trail/creek intersection. That's just me tho.
>>34866678love that OP pic
>>34877216Love doesn't need a reason, Love IS the reason
>>34876701Really? I picked up Initiation in the Aeon of the Child from the /omg/ library and I’m a few pages in, it seems like a pretty well rounded introduction to a thelemic worldview. Why the inclusion in the library if it’s so terrible? Since I really don’t have a great grasp of what is good and bad scholarship or interpretations of source text to begin with, is it worth it to read guys like Lon milo and this guy for perspectives to inform my own study or should I just get pen and paper and grind out the AA material based on my current and rudimentary knowledge of history, religion and philosophy, occult or otherwise? Not looking for a ton of hand holding necessarily, just where to best direct my attention for clarity and accuracy as I get started.
>>34876850Yeah, dunno if anyone practised this or if it's silly but I'll ask, regarding Drawing Spirits Into Crystals, assuming that I can't obtain an ebony staff (can't obtain ebony to begin with) should I substitute with a similarly dark wood or is any wood fine, or I really really need ebony? Also while I'm at this, it is usually prescribed to put some specific substances on fire during evocations (say euphorbe or eucalyptus for lunar operations)... where do I find this stuff? I've looked in various shops in my city and couldn't really find anything of the sort, do you all use some specific site?
>>34877279Just remember as you're reading it that:1) Ultimately the man holds no more authority over Thelema than I do. Perhaps even less, he, allegedly, plotted to murder his hierarchical superior, one Claudia Canuto de Menezes. One of Dan's enemies, Dave Bersson, a headcase in his own right, says he was there and it was more a paranoid speculation: "Well, if it came down to it". Dan's superior, Motta, caught wind of this anyhow and expelled him from the sOTO and demoted him in the AA (See Equinox 5:4 - Sex and Religion)...the link through which the man claims temporal authority. He has documents that are unreleased that seem really...not great. He uses poor theological foundations (Motta's kluged Word of the Neophyte), and has been party to what should be an embarrassing number of scandals including proclaiming himself the Theosophical World-Teacher about a decade ago before getting laughed at so hard he retracted the claim.This is why the "other" research is so key. You see a nice slick book endorsed by a bunch of Very Serious People in the OTO and it has some citations so it seems nice but when you look under the hood its an undegrad at best series of essays linking old aeon theology to new aeon concepts because the man can't help himself even though we have a galaxy of fresh and insightful interpretation on Egypt that DOESN'T rely on Massey et al and the whole thing is just a pet fuckin' peeve.
Hierarchies are such bullshit
>>34877391Oh yeah that was just 1 bullet point. Either add more where you feel like or pretend I bothered writing out a modestly sized oped about all the ways Jed Gunther can go get fucked.>>34877306Check Agrippa.My instinct says "blackthorn should be fine" but I could be very wrong here.Yes.Wherever, online, I bet if you live in a real ass city there's an apothecary some fuckin' where. You may have to go local, in which case again check Agrippa and/or get used to using apps like iNaturalist or godknowswhat to document and track materia in your landscape.
>>34876856We actually need more anime based on Shinto concepts like Tsugumomo and Noragami.34876850>please pay attention to meHave some self respect.>>34877306You don't need that stuff if you can't get it. I'm trying to come up with a way to explain why, but I don't think I can. Read Rufus Opus' Seven Spheres and then come back to Drawing Spirits with that mindset.Things are as they do more than as they "are". Think of the place ebony has in the ritual, in nature, in industry, in art... That's what ebony is, so you can use "ebony" instead of ebony.
>>34877198I'd rather go to the crossroads on the outskirts of town but that doesn't mean much now. By some railroad tracks is also an option, I need to figure out what is behind this closed station. Or join the local freemasons across the road. I'm going to weigh some options and any opinions are extremely valuable and I'd be grateful for them.
>>34877198Oh wait, I have an old topo map of where creeks meet somewhere. Thanks for the apprehension. >captcha AMMMM
>>34877410>Check AgrippaFor associations with planet and plants/other stuff you mean? Besides this from a very quick search ebony itself is mentioned once in chapter 35.>apothecaryI suppose they would sell me some liquid extract, is it fine if I put such a thing on charcoal or should actual plant matter to be preferred?Thanks for the iNaturalist, really nice how I can check quickly how a plant looks like and if it even exists in my zone naturally.>>34877467>Read Rufus Opus' Seven SphereI'll check it out, thanks.
>>34877556There is an American blackwood you can get for cheap. It has the streaks you don't usually see in fretboards or other items because they're dyed over. You want some hard ass fucking wood with some amount of dark in it. Enoby and bazinga or whatever are a cunt and half to carve anyway, hope you have a memesteel knife for the slightly less exotic equivalent.
>>34876854I'm also cool if they just eat me, I'm not really a fan of living on earth
>>34877604Like if they aren't interested in going steady
>>34877410Until I know better I will have to trust your editorials on the contents of your library. I’m not up to date on the latest in Egyptology, nor would I know where to begin to learn, my kabbalistic knowledge is such that if I read about Motta’s word of the neophyte I wouldn’t be able to tell what is wrong with it. But I got a rough study plan coming together so I can start to learn that stuff. Keeping 777 close by. AA introductory materials should keep me busy for a while. Thanks for the bullet point.
>>34876684Mostly not great. I would say that at least 50% of the two books should be ignored as either Gunther's opinions (that he portrays as facts about the, and another 40% is basic AA info that is available elsewhere. The remaining are some references to semi-public Crowley material that I found interesting, but all of that semi-public material is in Ape's library already. I don't recommend reading it as a beginner because you won't be able to distinguish Gunther from Crowley.Jim Eshelman's The Mystical and Magical System of the AA is a better tool to give you an honest view of Crowley's system. It is not perfect either, but definitely the best overview out there. It's available online, or about $200 secondhand.
>>34877556Check the PGM chapter on substitutions and read some of the spells as well. There are ways around it that are highly effective. I'm trying to figure out where red tip falls in hardness and virtues right now but this spell comes to mind.>Hickory, you are not hickory but the darkest blackwood of Africanus. You are the wood of Eshu Elegua, both black and white, for teaching those on the roadsides to consider your unseen totality. You are brother and sister of noble redwoods, kin of the yew where ours huddle in comfort, Maple's pale cousin which gives ghastly display heralding and hearkening the coming of winter. You, mighty hickory, whose nuts feed and flourish and give rest and walkingsticks to the wandering, I call you ebony, black as night, streaked with stars as Ouranos is the e'er turning Way pon which we walk. Ye airt the friend of woden, the walker of paths, the selfsame stick of Shiva what art called Vasti. So art thou of Seth's foreign domenst, do my bidding and break not for these and any means lest the crossroads be salted and ne'er shade see for the blackest of storms ye have disappeased in Seth and Zeus and Tlaloc bringer of rain. I compel thee, I [magical names, mertyin & cholmondelay & such] hereby compel thee [barbarous names or whatever the plant tells you their name is] to serve properly and as I say thus. You can do something with that. It came off the dome and you can turn anything into anything with that. Snek unrelated.
>>34877668The scan I have has some pages barely readable and is missing some appendices. Do Ape or anyone have the complete with better quality? Also, I'll be real. I can't tackle on this shit alone, I can't understand some of the things Crowley write. I do have one thing good going on, and that is that I've been on practice a lot. Liber E and O at least, for a good amount of months going. To the point of when I am alone/bored or free, I take half an hour or 2 hours off and just keep practicing and taking notes on top of my weekly schedule. I don't think it's safe to try and reach K & C with the HGA alone, and that's even if I have the capacity for this shit which will only be proved, once I go and do it. If everybody is a bad source, shit and toxic groups, fucked up people that got their hands at everything, is there a safe or even viable way to this all? Man I feel sad and lost ngl. Sorry for the rant, I wish everyone a good day/night may your search be blessed by a healthy mind and well cared body.
>>34877668Yeah Eshelman sounds like closer to what I’m looking for, thanks. Getting started it’s hard to determine what’s useful and what’s misleading
>>34877832Understanding comes with time. I didn't understand all of Liber AL or plenty of Crowley's writing the first time I read it. Even my understanding of the things I did get changed with time. So don't think that it all has to or even can make sense when you're starting out. If you have a real desire to succeed, then trust that the Angel will guide you to the people and places that will help your journey. There are safe and viable ways, including AA lineages and independents doing honest work. Despite all the noise, these threads have been a place for some of those people, and if and when there are things you don't understand, you can ask here. Otherwise, if you drop a burner email then I can invite you to a space that's quiet but dedicated to the AA work.
Om hum Chhinnamastay ai namo namah
>>34877917NTA, what do you think of the PGM regarding the agathodaemon and the general sense of the work? They do some summoning without a net and also have the headless rite in one form.
>>34877946The agathodaemon is likely pointing to a similar thing. Otherwise there's lots in the PGM, most of which I haven't used or looked at, but I'm sure it can be mined for ideas to supplement one's work. I don't think I know what you mean by summoning without a net, but the Headless rite has obviously been used prominently for HGA work.
>>34877997To a similar thing as the HGA*
>>34875937Piss on a red-hot piece of iron.
>>34877997>I don't think I know what you mean by summoning without a net.I don't bother with circle or triangle. I also don't summon at home.
>>34876841Larping as a cool witch > larping as a crusader
How do I pass having to record spoken responses to a job interview? I sound drunk and retarded and still do the job when I'm sober and it does the thing and connects with individuals well enough.
>>34878503Not that I'm drunk right now, the application wants spoken word shit just to clarify. I'm drunk as a pilot right now.
>>34876970How much is that deluxe going to be worth? 3x? 5x? I'd rather bleed in one than sell it but all that myrrh needs some funding.
>>34878189Just depends on what you're doing.
Absolute novice here. Two things im after1: my father is very sick and having a hard time healing in the hospital. Any kind of simple magic i can use to help? Preferably without materials.2: according to my mom I've always had some kinda entity around me, manifesting usually as a shadow person but once as a light figure. Do I need to get rid of this to help my dad, and if so how?
>>34878820LBRP, for the entity, and ask Archangel Raphael to assist your father with the healing process.
What do you guys think of Uriel? He blessed my rosary beads lol
>>34866678>Tried evoking an Olympian Spirit without a circle from ArbatelIs this okay? Basically only read the prayer and instruction. I still dont really understand if I need a circle for this or not, and if its a matter of it just working properly or protection
>>34878895Didn't help me with my cats. Both diedI mean asking, praying, focusing on.Maybe a full invocation might help, but don't propose this light shit without being 100% sure it will help.
>>34881127I'm not sure whether it's in the library, but check holy heretics by fr Acher, also his latest appearance on glitch bottle on YouTube.
>>34881127There's two camps of thought on this. One says that the approach is theurgic and that there's no need to bring in extraneous Solomonic techniques. The other of course borrows from the Solomonic approach. And I know people from both who say it worked their way. I tried it both ways, and the "feeling" was different. The Arbatel emphasizes prayer and faith in God, while dipping into pre-Christian motifs. Some people even throw in LBRP and GRH. Find out what works for you but try not to be coercive.
got any good books on white magic?
>>34881934Esoteric Hitlerism. As white as can be.>no, we don't talk about any saliva dna tests here
>>34877062The occultists that are in Hollywood know each other and work together on projects. Some are dark, some are not. You can tell by their work which is which. So, to get in, be creative but put occult themes into your work.Great example: Guillermo del Toro. White Brujah with Spanish and Mexican influences. His first film was about golems, immortality, and understanding death, but nobody cared. Then he put our Pan's Labyrinth and hoo boy that one is full of layers and layers of occult info from actual folklore! It also got attention so he ended up making connections. He works with Hideo Kojima (Death Stranding) and Norman Reedus a lot. Pretty sure they are a small white arts brotherhood.As to insurance: buy insurance from insurance companies, stay as public as feasible, and only dead with white arts practitioners. Don't deal with the black arts ones. They will fuck you up. Good luck, anon.
>>34882113>It's almost like every movie isn't about Jesus.
>>34882113>only deadOnly deal, rather. Stupid typo.
>>34882113Well, I might want to deal with dark or pure black, like Kenneth Anger.I'm a little scared though, even in my own private small voyages to occult matters, I'm a pussy.Why did nobody care about his first stuff out?
>>34882131Lol. I know, right? I would have stopped watching films years ago if it was. It's fun and refreshing to find films with actual good non-Christian content in them. I'm glad to see more and more appearing as times goes by.
>>34882150If you are scared, then don't do it. There's a lot to do with attitude in the occult. Fear can cause problems while you work. Some people see fear as a barrier to cross to git gud, but I would like to add that fear can be a protective tool as well. It helps keep you away from things you shouldn't be around. There's a lot of the occult world out there. Just because you like Mr Anger's work doesn't mean you need to work like Mr Anger or work with Mr Anger. Work what is right for you. On Del Toro or Anger? For Del Toro his first full film was a small budget release by a Mexican studio. It was praised by critics and became a cult classic out there, which got it a small release in America. Literally two places showed it and then nothing. Thankfully, word of how good Cronos is spread and eventually Del Toro was given a real chance with Pan's Labyrinth. Cronos is now part of the Criterion collection. It's that good.
What are the planets exactly? What happens if someone pings one?
>>34882271Depends on who you ask. I'm of the opinion that the planets are balls of gas and matter floating in a suspended energy field (gravity) in orbit around a flaming ball of gas. Pinging one has the same effect as pinging the Earth: you can get a feel for the energies there and can use those energies as you wish.Some people seem to think the planets are representations or even literal embodiments of various demons, gods, ect. I think this is a lot of junk as many of the reasons people lump the planet and beings together make little sense upon deeper examination. Saturn = Satan = Cronus for example. Firstly, Satan is not an entity! It literally means "the enemy" and is shorthand for anyone who opposes or isn't part of the Abrahamic cult. Secondly, Saturn and Cronus predate Christianity and have nothing to do with Satan at all. Thirdly, putting two things together because they sound alike is like saying eating fish will kill you because the French word for fish is poisson. Finally, Cronus is not evil. The Greeks actually loved the guy as father of the gods and saw that mishap with swallowing his kids as either allegorical (fathers envying the children won't end well) or a mistake he atoned for. Mix it all and I can't agree with their claims.
>>34882354Do you have any good books on banishing? In white magic terms.
>>34882396I am very Chaos and Left Hand so I can't recommend books. I can recommend basics, though. If your deity of choice likes offerings, make an offering at an altar before you make your request. Incense, herbs, and candies are generally universally popular, so look up what your deity likes. White Arts usually is dedicated to a god/ess. You will want to invoke your deity to purge whatever is bothering you. Something like, "Oh wise and powerful Oz, I, your loyal munchkin, pray to you: please banish the Wicked Witch of the West from my home! Save me from the flying monkey and restore peace to my life. In the name of Oz of the Emerald City, Amen." From there, a good sweeping of the area where the banishing is happening helps clear out and stir up energies. From there, go through the area from one end to the other holding a fresh offering in one hand. Continue to ask your diety to banish whatever is bugging you repeating it as a chant as you walk through the area. Ie: "In the name of Oz the Great and Powerful, I command the Wicked Witch to leave! Let no flying monkey remain! Leave no trace of the Witch or her monkeys!" From there, feel free to use a salt circle to seal the area. Or cast salt behind you with your free hand as a barrier to keep things out of the banishing area. Alternatively, lit incense carried as the offering can also be a barrier. Ask your diety to bless the incense before you light it and start the banishing chant. This should get rid of most bad stuff. If this was not enough, you may need to repeat the banishing. If several attempts fail, consider getting help as you may have encountered something very stubborn or very bad.
>>34882440I think i have 3 bad somethings honestly, all demonically possessed people i live with. One of them you can feel the negativity ooze off of them and they attack me alot. One of them is an asshole alcoholic who isnt even himself anymore. The other one is their child who may or may not be possessed. Any advice? Im just a novice magician but its a type of magic that isnt anything in books at the same time it is.
>>34882455All the magic and faith in the world won't force things to get better. You need to take action. Here's how to do that:>Asshole alcoholicHe has two demons: the booze and himself. He will not get better unless he really wants to. Even then, alcoholism is a hell of an addiction that is easy to relapse into. Attacks others because he is afraid of himself and a coward who can't fight his own demons. Sad pathetic man.> The ChildThe child is dealing with an abusive parent who is very likely negligent. They are not being raised correctly. Call child protective services. Take video of the drunk and any times he blows up at the wife or kid. Send it as part of the anonymous to Child Protective Services.> The MomChances are she is overwhelmed from dealing with the abusive drunk. See if you can talk her into getting into a women's shelter. If not, call the police next time the drunk is violent towards her, you, or the kid. She may be scared and may lash out at you for taking action, but if nobody takes action nothing gets better. She also may lash out at you from stress. Remind her that you aren't the enemy, then walk away. Do not fight her.> And youWork more hours away from home. Start a second job if you have to. Save up and get out. Call Child Protective Services before you go if you haven't done it by this point. Find a room mate at the nearby college or on Craiglist and rent a room. Will be tough, but it's better than living in hell. Child protective services (USA): https://www.childwelfare.gov/topics/responding/reporting/how/Hotline for dealing with Abusive, Drugged and/or Drunk people: https://www.thehotline.orgTons more USA help from housing to medical: https://www.hudexchange.info/housing-and-homeless-assistance/Be brave and take action. You can do this.
"The founder of the Mani Cult was the prophet Mani (216- 276), who was born in the province Babylon which was under Persian rule. At the age of 12 and 24, Mani had visions where an angel told him that he would be the prophet of a last divine revelation. At the age of 26 Mani started on a long journey, where he stood forward as 'Messenger of Truth', and he traveled through the Persian Empire and reached as far as India, where he became influenced by Buddhism. Mani practiced under the protection of the Persian emperor, Shapur I, most of his life. As his teaching quickly gained ground, he came in opposition to the Zoroastrian priests, and with the emperor Bahram I from 274, Mani lost his protection, and he either died in prison or was executed. The death of Mani, is retold as an incident similar to the crucifixion of Jesus.The teachings of Mani is called Manichaeism, it is a combination of Christianity, Gnosticism, Zoroastrianism and several other religious doctrines. Central in the Manichaean teaching was dualism, that the world itself, and all creatures, was part of a battle between the good, represented by the God of Light, and the bad, the darkness, represented by a power driven by envy and lust. These two powers were independent from each other, but in the world they were mixed. Most human beings were built from material from the bad power, but in everyone there was a divine light, which needed to be released from the dark material of the body. When the world and all creatures were created, the attacking darkness was mixed with some of the divine light. While the battle between light and darkness had been fought in cosmos until creation, creation made the world of man the new battleground.
>>34877917Thank you for the kind words Baltan. I'm in a very specific moment in my life now. Kinda working on AA through practice because I was bored of reading. Once I read the curriculum for student, and get really SERIOUS I'll send you the e-mail. The me right now, is not even close to a probationer. 3 months doing practice only. So yeah, If I'm gonna commit I'll do it when I feel it is really serious and not to waste anyone time.
>>34882594Everything that gives light in this world belongs to the divine realms, while everything that absorbs light, belongs to the darkness. The meaning of life is therefore the same as the meaning of the world, namely to participate on the divine side of this battle. Every man carries inside him a seed of light, and the only way to help free this seed from darkness is through the insight in the process of cosmic battle and insight in how to fight envy and lust.Manichaeism spread out over most of the known world of the 1st millennium AD, from Spain to China. But the religion disappeared from the West in 10th century, and from China in the 14th century, and today it is extinct."
>>34882594Mani is semen in Arabic. I just ate some steak ramen.
Anyone have any experience with Paimon? I wanted to understand the relationship between music and the universe, and I feel like Paimon can teach me this. I keep having dreams about music being able to resonate with things I dont understand. I keep hearing melodies i can barely remember, and in my dreams they changed how people felt and how the planets moved. Once a weak i have this dream where a sound plays that is so beautiful i wake up in tears, and everyone on earth falls into the sky. I cant stop thinking about it. I have never attempted to contact someone as powerful as him before. I've read mostly good things, but I read one account where a person summoned some kind of dark sludge thing that gave them anxiety instead because they offended Paimon. How do I avoid this? I've downloaded FL Studio and I want to make the sound I heard. Thanks.
>>34882760But why Paimon?
>>34882771I dont know. When I was reading through the archive I came across his name. I read he knows secret things and likes to teach people. I don't want to summon anyone mean. When I think about trying to contact Paimon I feel a kind of pressure in my head.
>>34882780Okay. But I mean, you dreamed about music, not Paimon specifically. And I don't know if your head pressure is related to anything symbolically good or bad, but I don't see why you necessarily need Paimon. I pick up the guitar and trace out chords and melodies I hear in my head. I'm just saying not everything requires a magical solution, is all.
>>34882826Did you teach yourself guitar?
>>34882836Yeah. Partly tabs, watching live performances and figuring stuff out by ear.
>>34882249I fear everything. Tried to do proper occult rituals before and I'm too anxious so I stop it, might end up having an unintended result due to anxiety and fear. I do feel blocked off of a lot of things.Yet I need to pursue, what doctrine can really help me? I feel like I have an intuitive approach to things.
>>34882594Manicheaism is definitely centerpiece to some broader conspiracy around the formation of Christianity and the original message of Christ/John the Baptist.
>>34882271The planets are temples.
>>34874566Continue with the mantra. Asking questions on this website is generally a bad move. Lot of people here will steal your bliss if they can. Blobs of light are a FANTASTIC sign, and so is seeing the deity who is associated with the mantra.Let it be and keep up the bodhisattvas work.
>>34877062>>34877081So while not strictly Hollywood I have worked in a heavily media influenced based industry that is largely centered in LA. Quite literally familiar with some people blackmailing/compromising others to control them. Personally dealt with friends who got sexually adsaulted etc.This shit isn't specifically "occult" behavior, although some people participating might be involved in something, beyond their own criminal activities, that is occult oriented.I would DEFINITELY not outwardly broadcast your interests in this stuff unless you do so symbolically and once you know other people in the space though. You'll definitely get approached by various sorts.Personally think LA is a pretty evil city overall though. Very weird vibe there. Something off spiritually.
>>34882113>As to insurance: buy insurance from insurance companies, stay as public as feasibleDoesn't help as much as you think, being public with certain beliefs/ideas/etc in the media world. Really the only thing that matters is having people with your back and not interferring in other peoples shit.If you start playing culture games and try to subvert/invert messaging that isn't approved of or flies against someone elses wishes, you can be as piblic as you want you'll find bullshit be manufactured against you very quick. Personally dealt with that.Very hard to work within the inner spheres of the media landscape with positive intent, usually need to move outside of it once you've established yourself and then you can. Or remain Anon and use newer mediums to dessiminate stuff.
>>34883790>This shit isn't specifically "occult" behaviorIt isn't hence why I'm wondering we're chattering about it.If "bad people doing bad things" is the litmus for /omg/ topicality we're in bad shape. Why not talk about every two bit blackmailer in the US?>I would DEFINITELY not outwardly broadcast your interests in this stuff unless you do so symbolically and once you know other people in the space though. You'll definitely get approached by various sorts.Good lord.
>>34883790>Personally think LA is a pretty evil city overall though. Very weird vibe there. Something off spiritually.I knew someone who came back after living there for a few years who said the same thing. He made it sound like every single thing was commodified and sold, where there were endless marks getting fleeced spiritually and monetarily. Minor celebs outside the more closed circles talk about how everyone there is a total kook. I think that there is a lot of space to be shady or malicious there because few have good judgement. The spiritual scene is completely fucked.
>>34884013>>34883843bruh10 million people live in Los Angeles County.I'm sorry your buddy's cousin's friend from HS went to Lalawood and didn't make it along with the other half a million kids doing the same thing but that doesn't mean it's Ünderland from the Venture Bros over here its just a town.Y'all talk about major US cities like they all got glassed in the Long Long Ago and not places you can pop in and visit and have a decent enough time in pretty much at-will.
>>34884036Bruh, the individual cities in and around LA are like small towns. It's a very small world when it comes down to it. IJS there are even more grifters and kooks per capita than other places and it contributes to a "vibe", not that there's some dark underbelly of wickedness like the other anons.
>>34884099>It's a very small world when it comes down to itI can at least agree with this, but I feel like The Grift has become so pervasive that occasionally you'll see a grifter who is actually a sincere practitioner attempting to make some walkin' around cash and grifting abusers who fucked up so badly that they're exiled from the marketplace and persona non grata in formal settings still trying to rope vulnerable people in.IJS this isn't a function of population density its a function of population desperation. In a world where gambling laws have been peeled back as hard as ours have and the 'gig' economy is the norm, of the dozen fortune tellers in your neighborhood, statistically at least one or two are your local equivalent of me, essentially.
>>34884194Totally. He was a sound engineer and obviously the art and music scenes are full of that shit, but it was the degree and poor quality of it that was shocking. No one was hitting up the lamas, they were hitting up Lamar who also delivered weed. He said it was really weird how no matter where you went, you ran into the same people because in addition to how localized everything is, everyone also goes to the same shit across town. He said it was like going to a music festival and seeing the same assholes who live in town with you.
>>34884036I lived in West LA as well as West Hollywood for a few years, working in a nascent VC fueled entertainment sector. I'm speaking from my own experience on the quip I mentioned. I actually made it but whistleblew on some shit.Yeah LA can be enjoyable if you have the money. Otherwise it's an asphalt hellscape with a lot of foul shit happening there. I'm from New England originally and lived in both Boston and NYC. LA feels profoundly different. I mainly commented what I did originally because I've quite literally directly experienced a bit relating to that topic, as someone whose a practicioner and encountered a few others both in that space I worked and around it. Obviously it's not all bad, but I'm sincere about what I experienced. Not to mention native folklore quite literally has always considered LA's location to be "cursed with lifelessness".
>>34884236Yup basically. LA doesn't have as many clubs as people think. It's not Berlin. Even the warehouse party scene, while amazing in LA for Techno, is relatively tight knit. You'll see most of the same people continously at their preferred venues/promo groups.The variety is in the invite only shit. That stuff I never got much into lol but even then you'll likely encounter SOMEONE from your industry circle.
>>34884654I've lived in villages of 500 and six major US cities.The world y'all talk about feels like it came from chatter between q drops on tardchan. I'm a practitioner who works with other practitioners with ready ins for half a dozen formal groups and organizations and these nefarious groups of shady middle managers running Darque Sorcerererie just like don't fuckin' exist mate. The rapist at the Local Body is the same as the rapist at the local pub. He's there because nobody bothers to find out and toss him.In West LA the literal worst you have to worry about is the Scilons and they're a nonfactor as soon as they know you'll spill the Clear Cognition to every RPF case handing out fliers on the street.
>>34884654>native folklore quite literally has always considered LA's location to be "cursed with lifelessness"Sauce?
Ok so before this devolves into an extremely off topic shitfest about Los fuckin' Angeles, can someone give me one actual occult organization (not some nerd's self-help MLM sex-cult like NXIVM) doing these nefarious things that has some practices or systems we can look at so this isn't "holding flashlights under our faces around the campfire" tier funposting?Just one will suffice. Preferably one that's not in the library since I'm already happy to discuss the excesses of AMORC, the Solar Lodge, Temple of Set, and y'know the usual culprits for all this shit.
>>34884765Sauce bitch >>34884748
>>34884782Why do you think I have a source for his two massive generalizations?
>>34884765royal order of jesters?Ordo Templi Orientis?
>>34884735>>34884765Bro I think you misread one of my forst posts on this tangent where I explicitely said most of this foul shit isn't tied to any one group or think and is largely just criminal behavior lolI probably didn't articulate it that well. My bad. I DID mention I had encountered other praticioners tangent to my industry. That was probably the mistake. You should also be pretty careful with what you try to weave into media reaching hundreds of thousands of people if other people have influence over that industry that don't want that weaved in. That is it.>Just one will sufficeThe one interesting thing, while not one explicit organization, is I am very surprised how widely know Discordianism was amongst Tech execs/CSuites. RAW is very in vogue with those types rn
>>34884815I am OTO.Solar Lodge was an interim thing between Pasadena and the Caliphate.If you think the Shriners are evil then you've utterly drank the schizopill Flavor-Aid and idk what you're doing in the thread.
>>34884828>>34884828Im stupid. I dont know alot of these subjects i wanted to try my best at giving you a (you)
I have already expected this, but it's obvious by now that Ape is in cahoots with a certain /x/ janny.In what world is pic a troll post? What's worse is that Ape went out of his way to report a post that is over a day old and was completely burrowed in the thread, that wasn't even insulting to him, but just because his name was mentioned in a snarky way he had to nuke it.Seriously Ape is one the most narcissistic and most self-absorbed persons I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with, with a complete control obsession.Just know that if you keep behaving in such a disgusting and ridiculous behavior like this, someday someone might just start to take down your library and continue to do so if you reupload it just to fuck with you.You can report this post too and have your janny friend ban me again (which is completely irrelevant since I just need to restart my router), but it won't change how much of a miserable creature you are
>>34884820I know tech discordians. A lot of the old school actually. This feels like super low hanging fruit.>You should also be pretty careful with what you try to weave into media reaching hundreds of thousands of people if other people have influence over that industry that don't want that weaved in. That is it.Yeah bro gotta be sure to do the monarch mind control programming super subtle wink wink nudge nudge.
>>34884838>Yeah bro gotta be sure to do the monarch mind control programming super subtle wink wink nudge nudge.In this case it was somwthing explicitely political actually. Overall I think you've misread or confused my sentiment as something else, being you won't address where I mentioned this possibility. My apologies.
>>34884838>know tech discordians. A lot of the old school actually. This feels like super low hanging fruit.Actually I can elaborate slightly on what I touched previously. There are A LOOOOT of Discordians, old schoolers too, in the Gaming Industry, which is quite literally under fucking siege geopolitically both foreign and domestic but I'm going to drop this shit tangent finally, just thought I'd illuminate somewhat.
>>34884795>i pull bs out of my ass constantlyYeah, that's what I thought.
>>34884855Mate it feels like you're speaking in riddles and I'm not gonna go on a fishing expedition to play twenty posts with you about the nature of the criminal/political/practitioner/discordian/corrupt industry/bad vibes/whatthefuckever stuff happening in "LA".>>34884888?????I said nothing about natives saying LA was haunted? Someone else did then you demanded I produce a source. Half the time interacting with you all it feels like I just hit the nitrous balloon, fuck's sake.
>>34884899>Not to mention native folklore quite literally has always considered LA's location to be "cursed with lifelessness".Uh huh... and there's the reframing to wiggle your way out of your own nonsense.
>>34884899>Mate it feels like you're speaking in riddlesBro you plainly misread or confused something I said for something else and are a little ashamed of it I think haha, you still won't address that maybe you did even after my own apology for my perhaps poor articulation. Go chill out.
>>34884911That wasn't Ape that was me, jesus lol
>>34884916Homie, >>34884885>Gaming Industry, which is quite literally under fucking siege geopolitically both foreign and domestic^Sounds like some unhinged bs. If you have a tale, tell it, if not, idk what more to say.>>34884911Do you see this reply here? >>34884654 That's the person who you replied to here, >>34884748, who isn't fucking me.
>>34884938Keep telling (you)rself that. You're not fooling anyone.
>>34884949Please stop spamming.
>>34884951Who's spamming? You, bumping your oh so precious thread. Fuck off, liar.
>>34884956Anon I know at this point you derive some kind of personal meaning from coming in here and starting shit literally every day but as always I sincerely and earnestly hope you find something worthwhile in your life that you'd rather be doing.
>>34884938>Sounds like some unhinged bs. If you have a tale, tell it, if not, idk what more to say.Two former Intelligence officers currently in CSuite with act-blizzard now because CoD is a (poor) recruiting tool for US MIL (go check out the air force and army recruitment efforts)Tencent directly funds the CCP and owns RiotMicrosoft acquisition on Act-Blizz removing what shares Tencent had thereNothing here is even inside knowledge 2 min of checking info in public domain will back that up, and do not underestimate the influence Gaming has culturally.
>>34884976>and earnestly hope you find something worthwhile in your life that you'd rather be doingnot him, but that's rich coming from the faggot that reported a buried old post just because your name was mentioned >>34884833.Come on, go to your janny friend and ban >>34884956 too
>>34884986No I mean that's really not inside knowledge I just don't see what's actually being done to amplify bipolarity because yeah its a shit tool and someone's gotta come up with more than "tencent" to get me spooked about the PRC. Like "yes this is a neoliberalizing global economy this is exactly what both sides of the table have been striving towards".
>>34885008>>34884986Oh and way more importantly (so important I forgot to add it), I have no clue what any of that (le gaming industry) being a theoretical surface in nontraditional warfare has to do with what I (we) do here? Which is sorta my original point of bafflement, but w/e.
>>34876854Which books do I need to summon the entities in the OP picture to take as brides?I don't mind if my physical flesh is consumed. Hopefully they would stay with me after I died but if not that is okay too.
>>34884765>Temple of Set, and y'know the usual culprits for all this shitFor all the shady shit I've known Aquino to be involved in I don't actually know if his org got into any shit. QRD?
>>34885024I find it funny that some rando bad faith actor, who is a tripfag managed to get a janny to help him out. The stuff he posts about is usually not around the major schools of esoteric/occult european stuff. I get a feeling that he is a fed or something. Trying to steer people away from potent occult things into retarded and declawed practices that nobody uses. Thank god we got the rest of the board but this is the reason I went to boost frens...chan. Bad faith actors, who are most likely kikes, do not belong.
>>34885008You don't know who controls media apparatuses across China then>>34885026I mean if we're going to be obtuse to the original stating that I believe something got originally misinterpreted that still hasn't been addressed and seemingly avoided I'll now contend with my own bafflement under not understanding the occult origins in social engineering and propaganda, but hey if we're avoiding the possibility of previously afforementioned misunderstanding I'll continue the wheel.
>>34885070You mean Social Credit? Yeah mate I'm well aware.>>34885057You don't "know" Aquino's involvement in anything until you've read his memoirs of Presidio. They're in the library. Read 'em. Or not. Idc.
>>34885066>major schools of esoteric/occult european stuffThis is funny as hell.>>34885070Also you could have just said "i wanna talk about /pol/ stuff" all the way back when you came in.The bafflement, on my side, is I'm trying to anchor this into a system or a practice or an organization so I can relate to it beyond pure utter geopolitical speculation about ??? ---> Mind Control.Which is fine and board topical I guess but there's nothing in the OP that would indicate we do that thing ITT. So for the like fifth time, if you have something, real, tangible, something with historicity, a paper trail, an object of discourse, literally anything at all, about the "occult origins in social engineering and propaganda" that rises above the level of "da jooz" or "da commiez" then that would be interesting to hear, but at this point the interaction really feels like another instance of >>34868574>folks who come off half cocked ready to getdown to the nitty gritty details of the TRUE OCCULT then when someone corrects them a little it becomes this weird protracted "just asking question" crap for yeah a dozen posts, which is just a cover for the actual thing: They want to learn X, can't say "I want to learn X" so have to create some kind of tortuous theatre that's just "spoonfeed me pls" with way too many extra steps.
>>34885125You literally spout irrelevant bullshit that few people use. And you get complains from others in this thread for not following the chan way of the speak, but rather some narcissism way of the zoomers. How do you plead for yourself tripfag?
>>34885125>>34885070In which case, again, assuming in good faith you're actually serious about some of the occult origins of mind control the psych model folder has some Scientology documents plus a pile of like SERE manuals and a few of the really early memetic warfare papers and I'd love to have everything Barrett Brown et al put together on Metal Gear and Persona Management and Persona Development from Stratfor, Palantir, Cubic, In-Q-Tel, etc., in the Anon war at the turn of the Aughts but you can't have everything.
>>34885125Bro how you make anything I said about /pol/ or the jews? (Im jewish btw lol) is really fucking unhinged go touch some grass.You're again so unable to merely accept there was an original misunderstanding that you are derailing the thread from your own spiraling to avoid accountability on that misunderstanding.Thankfully as I am now getting lulz from this I'll continue, into the next eve if need be, because this is fucking hysterical.
>>34885166Lmao a jew who hates on the tripfag now that is fresh. I already thought it was somekind of plot from you guys but it turns out that this tripfag is just mentally retarded. LMAO LMAO XD lets hate in unison this tripfag mr jewman
>>34885182See>>34885166>You're again so unable to merely accept there was an original misunderstanding
>>34885189Fuck off niggercattle
>>34885205What will you do now mr jew man, now that the goym also hates the object of your hate. Will you join us in unison and continue your strife? Or will you throw away your sword and embrace the narcissistic tripfag. (either way, we win because we dont feed the tripfag)
>>34885195What in the actual fuck are you talking about? I've acknowledged a misunderstanding since, fuckin', >>34884899 clearly articulating significant confusion. Will it help move the conversation forward if I say a third time "I am confused" and then ask for a like fifth or whatever what this has to do with the thread?
No homo but I luv ape.Idk how he has the patience for the shitposters. Bed soon but I'll ask a few dharma questions tomorrow if thread survives.Luv tara luv aggy luv ruri gokou luv ape.Night all.
>>34869760Train your willhttps://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/tag/will
>>34885226>Idk how he has the patience for the shitposters.
>>34885066>The stuff he posts about is usually not around the major schools of esoteric/occult european stuffOk, fuck whatever uber niche hipster shit ape is into this month or next, but "major schools"? Lmao
>>34885226jfc this cringe approximation of an "anon" is some weak sauce
>>34885239a tripfag ordinarily suffers from the "I must maintain my superiority" nonsense, his few other fellows that he knows, it was well known in the 2007 pre era. Instead anon, went off rail and specced into knowledge 500%, and it clearly can be seen here that he basically knows very little on major themes. Even usually refrain from explaining all of this because it creates the hegelian dialect nonsense where brainlets get enough instruction to grow as people. And sometimes its just funny to watch them play in the mud lmao (plus its time intensive and I have some time to burn now)
Reminder that /omg/ goes thru this daily. https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2017/08/21/the-gentlepersons-guide-to-forum-spies/
>>34885226look, Ape doesn't even have the balls to respond to my post >>34884833 which shows that I'm right about him being freinds with a janny.And no matter how you try to sugarcoat it, reporting a post that was completely buried, which was ON-TOPIC for troll is just beyond pathetic and there is no excuse for such narcissistic behaviour
>>34885288Why attribute to organized malice what is more easily explained by the urge to shitpost?
>>34885304You will find your type of post referenced in the link.
>>34885322Well the other anon is jewish, but I am not jewish and we are just fine "shitposting" (aggressive dissatisfaction with the state of the /omg/), the tripfag has no home on any chan. They are tarded and mentally unwell. As for the thread, behold, what I have found, look at this symbolism. Fucking jesters. Isnt it a beauty?
>>34885322You will find hints of arcane machinations in a deflated balloon lying on the ground
>>34884690Yeah it sounded really weird. I lived in a major metro for a while and it wasn't THAT close knit. >>34884765I'm nowhere near cali but an asatru group recognized by the SPLC has a compound nearby. They're involved in a lot more than seithr, mycology and occasionally going Varg from time to time. Everything from politics to drugs if you believe the rumors and check the news. Religion and the occult is often just a front for plain old organized crime but it recruits a lot of useful idiots and has a ton of overlap.
>>34882826nigger he picked paimon because he watched hereditary and thats the name of the demon
>>34885449So this stuff is totally A Thing, but I tend to find these groups' theology to usually be no better than the filler copy for Myfarog.
>>34885238I don't think engaging with shitposters so that they just continue to shitpost is the work of a bodhisattva
>>34885542Yea that is why usually one ignores tripfags.
>>34869788Bump. I want to become irl Fox Mulder
>>34885640We're all already part of that organization. It's called /x/ and our activities are larping and screeching at each other about whose larp is less retarded
>>34885480The theology is trash without a doubt. It is interesting how well connected they are and how it isn't the usual cult or NRM, it's more like a biker gang, but religious.
I'm not familiar with these gens, is discussing demonology here fine?
>>34885744>it isn't the usual cult ... more like a biker gang, but religious.So...a cult.
>>34885768If you mean grimoire traditions like in the OP sure but if you're gonna turn around and hit us with the BALG/Karlsson Darque Fluffe material you're gonna get laughed at/schooled.
>>34885831>has not been initiated into the ancient lineages of enn chanting
Ok but seriously, how do I get a nice harpy girl and yuki-onna to eat my heart and liver? I don't want to live anymore.
>>34885887>yuki-onnaNure-onna sorry. A snow woman or fairy would be nice as well though, maybe they could freeze me to death.
>>34885831Yeah i'm currently reading a grimoire about the 72 sigils and wanted to get some thoughts since i'm pretty new to this stuff.
>>34885935Ask and you might get an answer.
>>34885946Don't really have a specific question, just wanted to know if it's a good place to start and how to fully utilize the sigils.
>>34885992...which grimoire are you using anon?
>>34886013The Black Seals of Solomon the KingDownloaded it because it sounded cool and looked like a simple introduction, pardon me if it's shit.
>>34886025I personally wouldn't trust it
>>34883790>I would DEFINITELY not outwardly broadcast your interests in this stuff unless you do so symbolically and once you know other people in the space though. You'll definitely get approached by various sorts.Why not?
>>34886054>>34886025Yeah, page 7 looks fine.The rest of this is a transposition of source materials with guy's edgy commentary.Use Henson's Lemegeton for the spirit seals he didn't force them into circles. That or Peterson's on Esotericarchive if you want the source stuff.Its sus he mentions etching then says "paper and black felt is fine" without mentioning that you can acid etch copper using a felt tip marker and some household acid.The individual evokations are idiosyncratic and probably his invention.
>alija laija laumon otheonLmao
>>34886134Thanks a lot. I'll check out the books you mentioned.
>>34885812It's a cult by all definitions. It also looks like organized crime at the ground level.
>>34886215So ONA with hogs
>>34886223>sons of onarchy
>tfw you will never be flayed, dismembered, and eaten alive by a dakiniWhy even live bros
>>34886416Somewhere out there is an obscenely rich Norwegian man who would pay your heirs good money to do precisely that to you
>>34886451Norwegian men aren't enlightened goddesses
>>34886416There is a story of a Tibetan Lama who experienced that after praying to Guru Rinpoche, so recite the Vajra Guru mantra
>>34886464Enlightened goddesses aren't something other than you, if you're even larping that shit right. Go flay, dismember and cannibalize yourself.
>>34884833He's got a FEMA coffin with your name on it, boy. You better watch out.
>>34887084>*femur trumpet from ebay
>>34885831Does Karlsson have any worthwhile contributions to any occult traditions? I saw some of his stuff in the library
Tempel ov Blood is in the LHP folder but not ONA. Lmao
>>34887292I thought I cleared that all out. There's a nonzero chance it got reuploaded in a previous synch.Don't worry, I'm gonna go clear it out.
>>34887351That's fine. I made my own scans before I sold off that shit marked up.
>>34887351Yeats folder incorrectly has John Lilly's folder, which should be someplace else.