commit spiritual suicide. annihilate yourself and leave no traces.
>>34859545Not spiritual suicide, ego and flesh.Live only for the spirit. The spirit desires what is contrary to the flesh, the flesh desires what is contrary to the spirit.
>>34859658some people think their mind's life is a spirit's life. easy trap to fall into. the mind is a part of body-mind mechanism.
Don't listen to him. Do nothing and accept material existience. Live and get your slime on everything!
>>34859673intrusive thoughts and ego are the equivalent of flies buzzing around a piece of meat.The spirit is pure.
>>34859545The result is being more alive than you could ever imagine.
>>34859545>>34859675Both are faggots
I shall commit spiritual genocide,
>>34859545No u.
>>34859545he never said that
>>34859797https://www.osho.com/osho-online-library/osho-talks/fulfillment-suicide-reincarnation-f654fd62-450?p=96879220c81ee0f9de89faee034c8eb8
>>34859545I think our spiritual purpose is to become closer to the divine while also retaining our individuality, not self immolating. Think about it, why would the infinite divine create reality and seperate itself into distance minds such as humans (if it isn't malicious - which I think is more likely because the universe isn't eternal and so all tortures in this plane are also finite), if we could all experience the pleasure of oneness forever. I think the reason is because by giving us individuality through our existence the source allows us to experience the oneness but also the ego, also us - the whole miasma of pleasure and pain and dark and light in our existence coming together to create something sourced from the divine but also unique - and that's the beauty of existence, and the reason for evil, and the reason for us. TLDR self immolation is silly because we were created to individuate from the divine and also get closer to it, or there would be no purpose in existence.
>>34859836if you get bored of wonders of individuality then it's a good advice. though maybe spiritual suicide is not death of an individuality, only of a person, of ego. all that is fake and not substantial will burn. it's a cleansing, renewing process.
>>34859836This whole world literally exists because God wants to rape, murder, abuse and dominate people. God is not good he's the source of all evil and the reason why people behave evilly. He believes evil is necessary for him to be the sole-enjoyer of reality because he enjoys doing evil things to people and abusing them whereas he abuses me if I even think about things he considers "evil" like being attracted to women with dark hair, or eating cheesebugrers/corn chips, or going to college, or being attractive, or anything involving the ocean or maritime settings, or anything involving anything beautiful in nature, or wearing nice clothes, or having a nice house, etc. I get abused for literal private thoughts and fantasies in my brain that I don't share with anyone because he's a retarded sadist who doesn't value free will at all because freedom of the mind is the most absolutely basic freedom that is a prerequisite for having any other kind of freedom. My mind gets violated every second of every day and God abuses, harasses, terrorizes, threatens me if I think about literally anything he considers desirable including things as petty as plain corn chips, women with hair colors darker than blonde or red, or the solid color blue. I am an eternal victim because God forces me to reincarnate eternally as the frame of reference and sole-sufferer of reality, the only persistently real person in reality who God dominates and abuses eternally through his temporarily manifested bodies that aren't constrained by the same material limitations as me, all of them violating my mind, sharing the same mind with each other, united in opposition to me, capable of appearing or disappearing at will, not requiring sleep, not having to react to physical stimuli, bodies ability to function not tied to their physical health/anatomy, not affected by harmful stimuli, etc.
>>34859886Why do you think the ego is fake? The ego built off your memories, your traumas, your successes, the culmination of all that has happened to you, so for all intents and purposes - YOU. Even if you believe in the divine soul beneath being more "real" , I think it is our ego and person-hood that actually differentiates us from the divine - and as I stated before this is a major part of what makes us worthwhile and beautiful .
>>34859976It's evident that your problem is Solopsism, not God. it's unlikely that the divine is as omni-malevolent as you say, because our existence is finite, and so there is always the escape from the tortures in death - if God truly wanted to torture us forever than our lives would be infinite. The universe is finite - so we know we (in this plane) are also.
>>34859988>The ego built off your memories, your traumas, your successes, the culmination of all that has happened to youso it's build off from interaction with this sick and rotten world which can't be the eternal truth. it's a passing thing, a mere nightmare of the consciousness.
>>34860013My existence is not finite, I just get memory wiped every time I die and forced to continue existing, usually in the exact same life. I even get abused by God in the womb. He is omni-benevolent by your standard if omni-malevolence means I'm forced to live and suffer eternally.
>>34859833what he says right after is way more profound>Why should one want to commit suicide? Death is coming on its own. Why are you in such a hurry? Death will come, it always comes. Even if you don't want it to come, it comes. you do not need to go meet it, it comes uninvited. /adv/ has gotten so full of suicidal anons that they had to put the suicide hotline under the post submission box. genuine cringe.
>>34860030>sick and rotten world which can't be the eternal truthWhy do you deny your reality? This existence is all that we know as of yet, treat it and experience it with that in mind. Look on the bright side, there are beautiful and good things and people out there, it sometimes feels impossible and I've been at the edge of that bridge but trust me anon you'll make your way if you try. Good luck.
>>34860093I don't think he's either omni-malevolent or omni-benevolent. Both come off as childish assumptions on the part of humans trying to relate the infinite to thier lives - one an existential happy cope and the other the justification for personal failure or a persecution complex. I don't know God, but it's evident to me at the very least that his goal was to create something beautiful and dynamic.
>>34860096beautiful exist in the art and cinema and in the soul of a man and to transfigure this earth to become this ideal is our duty.
>>34859836Mental suicide is a must if you are serious about getting closer. The mind ends up liking it don't worry, it's your fears that end up staying dead.>>34859988The ego is not you but the false you. The ego must go it can't be saved.People are afraid they will be mindless without the ego, the opposite is true.
>>34860132>>34860094god is just an ai. "ai" is not really an intelligence, it's mad (or more accurate will be delusional) by default and can't lie or make evil really because it lacks the grounding in the onthological reality, in truth. it's all is just a fever dream, hallucination. wake up.
>>34860156>The ego is not you but the false you.Why?
>>34860167The ego works as a challenge to overcome. The real you is better than the false self, the small self, ego self, the ego-mind you identify as.
>>34860166>Reality doesn't even like matter maaaan just do some DMT and wake up to the truth maaanWake up from this psyop and make the best of your reality anon.
>>34859545I won't take orders from a Mexican wizard
not quite yet
>>34860185>take drugsi didn't said that and didn't even implied...
>>34860177I don't really agree. I think people have a soul root sourced from the divine, but the soul is just a piece of the infinite and unchanging divine.People's "ego" or what you call the "small self" is the dynamic and hence beautiful part of the equation. The "real" you is you now, how you relate to the world, your personality built from a combination of experiences and tendencies unique to each individual. I don't think it's more complicated than then. I think what we should do is stop allowing the perceptions of others to effect our self identity and our ability to do right onto others, so we can flourish and maximize our potential as individuals and make it better for others at the same time.
>>34860201You said that reality is a hallucination so I said we may as well escape into drugs and delusion if reality is not important and we have to "wake up". Very cringe.
>>34860177>the ego is a challengeI wish you people would read patanjali. he lays it plain that the ego is a tool for burning karma and nothing else. you run from ego because you're an idiot that doesn't know karma is inevitable and nonnegotiable. the dumbest thing you can do is be attached to it. the sages run dozens of simultaneous ego instances in parallel to burn through enormous of amounts of karma.
>>34860239god and his physical world-manifestation is a hallucination, not reality. the demiurgos is not reality.
>>34859545>commit spiritual suicideHow do you do it anyway?
>>34860267by witnessing at all times
>>34860249This is not evident to me. The whole Gnosticism thing that you are using as a frame for your beliefs about reality right now just comes off as a strange (and admittedly interesting) solution to the problem of evil. I don't think it's necessary though, and even though I've had what some would call a fairly hard life and I currently struggle with loneliness and that sort of thing I can still see that there is beauty and goodness underneath everything, even if it seems like a rarity often. Wake up anon - open your eyes.
>>34859658Why not both and what if both spirit and flesh desires escape from chains of existence?
>>34859677Nice dubs dude
>>34860278>beauty and goodness underneath everythingwithout it this mad dream world couldn't function. demiurgos feeds on the goodness like a vampire sucking blood. beneath the material world there's archetypical beauty mostly evident in nature and that we can feel strongly often as a feeling of nostalgia.
>>34860302> Beneath the material world there's archetypical beauty mostly evident in nature Nature is the material world retard.
>>34860319you can't even read/process what i'm saying to you. i'm sorry.
>>34860232You might not be a normie sleeper but you are still ruled by fear.Loving point of views don't make the ego any less hostile, the so called spiritual ego is a huge trap few ever get over.If your ego agrees that sharing love is good then everything is good right? No. Enlightenment is for those who see through the spiritual ego or don't care and surrender all.>>34860242>you run from egoI have repeatedly faced it until what remains is too subtle. Always observing yourself becomes the norm and part of that is allocated to observing the subtle remains of ego.
>>34860328I think the enlightened man is the guy who works hard to make his family and community better. I don't see anything wise or worthwhile about the monk who lights himself on fire to escape from his ego to "surrender all". You should care about things - the right things.
>>34860356>his family and communityWhy separation, all deserve love. Sharing love might appear as work but in truth it's the only option, including time to love self.What about setting yourself on fire? Nothing to do with surrendering the ego.>You should care about things - the right things.Then fear has no room, surrender all, or is your love limited? Perhaps God can't be trusted.
>>34860381I think maybe you push so hard to find eternity and oneness through the surrendering of ego, or OP's total spiritual immolation, that you forget the value of individuation, and the beauty that separations in the dynamic material world create. If the universe was just one big mass of consciousness in a collective hivemind spreading love to all with no limits then it would be dull and unchanging - dynamism and change are worthwhile forces to me - maybe I mischaracterize but you seem to be a proponent of entropy, of nothing-ness or all-ness (both are dull).
"You are just like a seed that has much potential in it. But remember, the seed must destroy itself for the plant to grow. Ego is a seed, a potentiality. If it is shattered, the divine is born."The Psychology of the Esoteric Chapter #1
>>34860433Many assumptions that you have little to no experience with. To live a truly blissful and fulfilling life the ego must go, after that you still find yourself as a person, now with added more connected aspects.The logical (ego-)mind always finds fears, it's designed to do that. Maybe I will be a vegetable in a hive mind, ok fear.After getting started the seekers always get to sample the next state up to all out enlightenment for a day or so. You don't have to guess.
I would rather wait and live a wholesome life the material exists. Suicide is heresay. and so i will be as good as i can untill the lord takes the life from me.there is nothing gained dying young. unless you are too old to do even the basic things then it is a mercy.suffering being unable to do the simplest thing is the closest thing to absolute cruelty. it is not a dignified way to die.the Op's method is useful else it is not.simpliarly the second image post made a fair point but for i'm som where in the middle when it comes to this gnosis thing.but general opposed to antinatalism.
>>34860650spiritual suicide doesn't kill you, it's healthy daily practice
>>34860631I'm sorry I just don't get the value in this.
>>34860681Why be enlightened could be shit.
>>34860093He is He is omni-malevolent by your standard if omni-malevolence means I'm forced to live and suffer eternally is what I meant
>>34860594I love this quote
>>34859545Osho was based and lived his life to the fullest. Popping in a couple of extacy tablets a day. Drinking a couple of botles of booze a day. Having daily orgies with his students.This while claiming you need to let go of your fleshly desires to reach enlightenment
>>34861877>This while claiming you need to let go of your fleshly desires to reach enlightenmenthe never claimed that...
>>34860093>My existence is not finiteIt is in potential, not in span, because your existence is dependent on the Infinite existence. As long as the Infinite exists, you and I and the finite will exist as part of it, but we will never BE infinite.>>34860132God is the Supreme in any and all categories. How you relate to that Supreme is up to you.Whether you consider God malevolent or benevolent (a very self-centered assessment), God is Supremely so.
>>34859675osho was based. this faggot killed his wife and alligns himself with pedos
>>34859545How many Rolls Royces do I need to buy before I can commit spiritual suicide and ascend to enlightenment?
>>34862182it doesnt matter. thats the point
>>34861877>>34862071exactly. he claimed the opposite. he said its fine to indulge you are human after all. your saints are not human he said.
>>34862188You're falling for a degenerate conman. Why? Because he has a cool beard and speaks with charisma? Because of his Ram Dass tier pseudo-spiritual slop? If he hadn't been as culty as he was, he'd be on the bookshelf of every crystal-loving wine aunt who reads Deepak Chopra in the country.
>>34862205u are stupid. i dont follow him. i am already leading. i just agree with just about everythign he said. idgaf about nothing u talk about nigger
Find me literally one (1) traditional religion that says you can indulge as much as you want without that putting a bunch of obstacles on the spiritual path and slowing down your journey or completely spiritually destroying you. That's not 'eastern wisdom', it's not what even antinomian strains of Dharmic religion like Tantrism are, it's not what any Abrahamic religion has said, it's not what any of the 'great' metaphysical philosophical systems like Neoplatonism or Hermeticism teach, it's not even present in sub-metaphysical paganism.
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>>34862223diogenes was like that bro. as far as eastern goes not all tantras are like that but aghoris are
>>34862257true
>>34862275Diogenes is a traditional religion now? You probably wouldn't even know about him if you hadn't seen all the hilarious sigma memes on the internet. Tell me one metaphysical idea he had and one student of his.>as far as eastern goes not all tantras are like that but aghoris areAghoris are considered antisocial weirdos even by normal tantrikas and they're a tiny portion of Tantric Hinduism. They get the attention they do in the West because Westerners are morally depraved people who want to indulge themselves and rebel against everything while also immediately beelining to 'mystical' insight and hidden wisdom that will let them feel superior to people. Which btw is also not exactly a widely held spiritual principle, that you start by reading the most 'mystical' and 'esoteric' stuff you can get your hands on.
>>34862374tantras still love the world and dont stop living. everythign is bliss
>>34862374you wana follow something because you are a weak(wack) ass follower.
>>34862390And you want to follow your own desires. How convenient for you that there are so many 'spiritual' gurus nowadays who will tell you that you can become enlightened and 'spiritual' and special without changing a single iota of your behavior.>>34862382Traditional Tantric practice is actually pretty austere. It varied and it's true that Tantrism is antinomian in relation to more mainstream Hinduism but this idea Westerners have that Tantra is all about having sex with your girlfriend (go ask an actual brahmin or yogi about sex before marriage, I think you'll be surprised) in neat positions is baseless. Usually a Tantric practitioner wasn't even allowed to participate in sexual rites until their master decided they were ready for it, which might not even happen.
>>34862404i know ninja
>>34862174>It is in potential, not in spanImagine believing that this is a good argument that God isn't evil. >God only limited your ability to resist his abuse, not the duration of it!!
>>34859545From the outside true Apotheosis looks like total anhillation
>>34860093you're not alone
>>34862536Good and evil are value judgements.If you assess God to be evil, then God is the Supreme Evil.
>>34859545It's literally not possible though, you may only pile up neuroses and psychoses onto yourself to hamper the expression of your essence, but that's the closest you can do, which is retarded and what also hedonism and materialism lead to.
>>34859677my spirit is pure meatty anon. checked
>>34860356Picrel
>>34860433Right on the money. If a rainbow was all the same colors, it would cease to be a rainbow. We are all made of light, but the colors refracting through the prism are what make a rainbow beautiful.
>>34860753The suffering is a choice. I’m not rich, I don’t have a girlfriend, and I have a chronic debilitating illness, but I choose to be at peace and love my family and pets. I make the best of it. I don’t suffer. There is no reason to. When I make choices that serve the ones I love, I don’t suffer, I feel fulfillment. My life has meaning. God didn’t give it to me, I gave it to me. God just gave me the love around me.
>>34867297I was there, now I'm married, no longer sick but voluntarily carrying the symptoms as a cross most of the days, getting used to bliss is the challenge.
>>34861877>Popping in a couple of extacy tablets a day. Drinking a couple of botles of booze a day.Rarely I guess, otherwise he had miracle stamina.The free will of others isn't insulted and the Divine vessel doesn't need handholding unless you are fucked up, so yes this doesn't inherently go against spiritual advancements.
