How do I fuarkinggg meditate?!?
>>34813865Step oneClose your eyesBreathe inBreathe outDo it for 30 minsWhat did you noticed?Now focus on your noseFocus on the air goin inFocus on the air going outDonit for 4 hoursCome back for step 2 if I read this
>>34813865I followed all the proper steps but couldn't really do it until I quit weed and fapping.Since then meditating finally works.feels good
>>34813865I say just focus on your consciousness. That's it. You can do it any time. Eyes open. Walking around. Whatever.It sounds so simple, but I've experienced some very interesting states like this. It literally feels like disconnecting from my body, and I sometimes even get to the point where I hear a faint buzz sound like the beginning of a DMT trip.
>>34813865By jumping into it instead of asking people who jerk off to cartoons on the internet anything
>>34813882This is not bad advice but you will have trouble doing it likely for 30 mins. If it helps you can talk to yourself just focusing on your breath still, literally saying breath in breathe out to help keep your mind focused. Its much easier to notice your attention wandering from what you're saying as apposed to just breathing. Eventually you'll be doing the same thing just listening to the air until you can finally claim quiet.
>>34813865There's three fundamental forms of meditation, with different practices within them:Mindfulness: this is simply trying to focus on the present moment as opposed to "being lost in your thoughts." The goal isn't to try to do anything, simply to observe the ever-flowing flux of the present moment.Perception-bending: this is trying to change one's perception via a feedback loop between anticipation and perception using concentration. This includes self-induced hallucinations. Here are some examples: https://pastebin.com/vHKeTau2Dedicated daydreaming: we spent 20-50% of our day engaging in daydreaming, sometimes to the detriment of the task of hand. Why? Because daydreaming is the task of self-awareness, of exploratory thought and self-reflection. Daydreaming as meditation is simply closing your eyes, concentrating entirely on the task of daydreaming, and letting your thoughts and imagination flow freely in an exploratory fashion. This is extremely useful for exploratory thought.
>>34813865Videos on Meditation and being present:https://youtu.be/yfaOs9JhAxkhttps://youtu.be/Q1RfqgmbHCQ
I meditated for an hour about a month ago and i got really deep into it and my entire body just started vibrating, it was almost violent. I woke up because I was vibrating so hard, it took like 3 minutes after waking out of the trance before it went away. It didn't feel bad, it just really powerful. Anybody experienced anything like this while meditating before? The intensity was on par with what I've experienced jumping into an ice lake at midnight.
>>34813865just keep asking your self that question. it helps if you minimize distraction. no it doesnt matter if you try to answer the questionit doesnt matter if you even think about the question. just ask yourself that questionand keep asking yourself that question. to the point of absurdityand beyond. maybe before that.
>>34813865LITERALLY YOU CHOOSE THATS THE WHOLE POINT YOU RETARDS SOUND LIKE VEGAN SINGLE MOMS NOBODY CAN TELL YOU HOW TO MEDITATE NO MATTER HOW SCHIZO /X/TARDED THEY ARE.Do what feels right
>>34814712>has attained the all caps siddhi
>>34814389>By jumping into it instead of asking people who jerk off to cartoons on the internet anythingThose who appear foolish tend to have wisdom.
>>34813865Read the Tao Te Ching
>>34813865I am pushing 25+ mins in meditation now. I was slowly increasing the time. After 25+ min my body starts hurting. Especially chest/lungs. What should I do with the pain? I can easily ignore it, detach from it and continue but I am not sure. Any advice?
>>34815313Medotation while typing? Yeah right nigga
>>34814640Yes! The vibrations really scare me. Feels like I'm losing control
>>34814131Wait you're telling me disassociation=meditation?
>>34815930More correlation then causation.
>>34816015>fasting>nofapSounds like no fun at all.
do a karate
I was meditating for years and never really got anywhere.Then I decided to read "The mind illuminated" and also take some advice from some forums, what worked for me was to stick to one technique for a long time without expecting any results, just sitting to meditate for the sake of meditating.The technique was to just watch the breath and "let it be" (don't try to control it), don't aspire for anything at all, just be and let things flow with the breath as the main object BUT not obsessing over being super-focused on it. Also thoughts WILL come and you should welcome them but don't feed them much of your awareness - just watch them a bit and then continue being aware while keeping the breath as a lightweight ancor which grounds you a bit to the her and now.However let me also add that I quit all drugs (even alcohol and caffeine), porn and I fixed my diet while reducing media usage a lot, these probably helped, you should fix your whole life if you want to take something out of meditation.What I also liked is a post I read which said that meditation and other occult/eastern practices have the effect of reshaping your breath into its original natural easy-flowing state which you had as a child but was then corrupted by various events during your lifetime. This is done by just focusing on the breath and letting it be - you are becoming conscious of it and that alone "refines" it's edges and returns it to its original form.This spoke so much truth to me because many times when meditating my breath would change, sometimes it would become really fast, sometimes really slow and deep, also my spine would become straight on its own because the breath was filling me up so much, this was uncomfortable at times but was really refreshing afterwards.However not everyone is the same, so yeah, follow your own intuition, pray maybe, if you really want something and you really search for it then you will find it.
>>34813865>0. sit in comfortable position for you and relax.>1. shut your senses.>2. let thoughts flow don't judge let em come and go.>3. focus on one thing. (focus i like intensive thinking on one subject)> 4. repeat until the eureka moment. (could take days)
>>34818542Meditating is like being in the Zone but consciously, the brain has to shut down every sensors and stay focus on one and only task. Meditation works like a snowball effect every day you gain something more than the previous day until the Eureka moment. Meditation is mostly about exploring yourself and following the intuition like you said. (Some technique will work for some but not for others.)
I love meditating
>>34820949You and every blonde white girl from California who gets mocha lattes at Starbucks
any tips for concentration? I have pain in my body and discomfort in some of my upperbody joints and it makes it difficult to calm and clear my mind for more than a few moments.
>>34819799What is the zone and what is the eureka momment?
don't, it's bad for you
>>34822466>Concentration is bad bruh, better zombie scroll more
>>34822479if it's just about concentration why should i meditate instead of doing something fun like reading a book also i just think it's weird no one in this thread mentioned meditation can have serious negative side effects so I thought i'd be the first one
>>34822524If you really immerse yourself into reading or into plating a game or into walking the street then it's the same meditative state as when sitting in the dark except that in the dark sits you can go even further.As for the negative sides: anything in life can have a negative side
>>34822402The Zone : > In positive psychology, a flow state, also known colloquially as being in the zone, is the mental state in which a person performing some activity is fully immersed in a feeling of energized focus, full involvement, and enjoyment in the process of the activity. In essence, flow is characterized by the complete absorption in what one does, and a resulting transformation in one's sense of time.Flow is the melting together of action and consciousness; the state of finding a balance between a skill and how challenging that task is. It requires a high level of concentration; however, it should be effortless.> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology)>The Eureka momentIt's mostly when you find the goods steps that allow you to enter in a deeper stage of meditation.
>>34823266I forgot but being in the Zone called too the Flow is one step before the first step to spiritual meditation. If you want to go deeper than the Zone or the flow once you are at that state of modified consciousness you have to let go the Ego. It's mostly the Ego that bring resistance to go further in Spiritual Meditation.
>>34813865I'd recommend checking out Jon Kabat-Zinn. He did the MBSR thing.
How much of an effect does meditation music have, positively or negatively? From what I understand it's better to meditate in silence, but that's not really possible where I live (unless I try late at night), so I've been using music to drown out external noise.
>>34823291I think music can be like... something to focus your attention on. Maybe you use your breath, or maybe you use the music. You could use the ambient noise around you too I suppose. I think there was a Zen thing that suggests entering the state of Zen is underlined by the state of listening. What your listening to matters less than the act of listening itself. Like waiting for a telephone to ring.
>>34823278Intense concentration and focus, activate the left brain (logic brain) and let in go the Ego activate the right brain (Intuitive / creative brain), when both activated you have the what is called the hemi-sync (both hemisphere are synchronous) then your unconsciousness take the relay. (At this point the conscientiousness is at rest but any conscious thought will disrupt the synchronized state and send you back to real world)
>>34823291The binaural music meditation interact with your blood by structuring the water in certain way (your body contains 72% of water water is around every cells), the flow of blood cells will affect the heart physically, the the heart will pump the prana / bio-electric-radiation at a different frequency it's what is called elevating the Vibration. (You can do it using emotions alone but you can use both at the same time)
>>34823291Well if you can't have silence well you are mostly fucked, because sound affect ear sense so it prevent to enter to the void state (where every sens, emotion and thought are shut down). Any sound during meditation will activate the reptilian brain and the survival mode from your brain will bring you back to real world. (If you want listen Binaural meditation music do it a couple minutes or hours before the meditation)The consciousness Vibration can be raised by sound and by emotion.
>>34823291Wear both earbuds and construction ear protection at the same time, blocks most of the sounds.
>>34813865stop thinking about it
Question /x/,when focusing on breathing I can feel my jaw click. Its kind of distracting, am I breathing wrong?
>>34825397Doesn't have to do with your breathing or meditating wrong. That's a quirk of your own body.
>>34825397Does it click EVERY time you inhale/exhale? Maybe it's dislocated a bit? I say this because the left side of my jaw is dislocated also, when I want to relax I just let it dislocate and then go on with my breathing.
>>34825556More common than some might think. The terrible Jew culture we live in has degenerated and damaged our bodies. Meditating, if done properly, will heal the body. Therefore, things will heal and try to move back into correct position during meditation, so your jaw clicking could be part of that process. I had similar 'adjustments' occur as I meditated.ᛟ Was The Buddha White? ᛟSome Whites dismiss Buddhism as a viable religion because they see it as non-White since Buddhism originated in India and is practiced mostly in Asia. Personally, I do not think the particular origin and geographical proliferation of Buddhism make it inherently non-White, seeing as Whites have assimilated many things discovered and widely used by non-Whites, such as mathematics, medicine, gunpowder, tea, tobacco, chocolate, etc. For Whites who do view Buddhism's current non-White association as an issue, the two articles in this post may help them overcome this obstacle to gain an invaluable understanding of reality as taught by The Buddha.ᚼ Did The Buddha Have Blue Eyes?By David Reynolds, a former monk associated with White Nationalism. It is recommended to read this article first because it is comprehensive.politicallyincorrectdharma.blogspot.com/2020/12/did-buddha-have-blue-eyes.htmlᚼ Some Textual Sources For An Aryan BuddhaBy Ryan Cavallius at National Vanguard, a White Nationalist website. This article is short, but provides sources for further reading.nationalvanguard.org/2022/10/some-textual-sources-for-an-aryan-buddha/Hopefully, this information enables more Whites to learn about Theravada Buddhism!卐 gab.com/OvermanZ 卍
>>34813865Meditation = awareness. Practice awareness of something in your environment or practice awareness of thought over a period of time.Meditation can also = intention. Practice focus and awareness of an intent of some kind over a period of time.
>>34813865Just follow the gateway tapes
>>34823351>tfw 24/7 tinnitus that overpowers any conceivable silence I could ever achieve in a conscious state
>>34825185based 2010 facebook meme poster
as a fatass, i've come up with an easy meditation for fatasses. sit, cross your legsfocus on your belly as it hangs into your lapfocus specifically on your belly buttonnow just feel gravity pulling it down. feel the pull of the earth on your stomach, focus on this feeling. that's it. practice until it pulls you into onepointed absorption and perfection. skelly and anorexic motherfuckers need not apply
>>34828616I'm pretty sure that "understanding" has nothing to do with the mind knowing things.
>>34813865Listening and/or reciting the Diamond Sutra can help bring someone into a meditative state.
>>34829302So can listening birds or rain sounds from youtube so that isn't saying much.
>>34813865to meditate you need to have no thoughts. thats it. just don't think anything
>>34813865Relax and follow the sensation of the breath. Every time a thought comes up, let go and come back to paying attention to the feeling of breathing in and out
>>34829026Elaborate more please
>>34829973Mind is a tool, it's not what you are and it can't unlock enlightenment. Silence is the language of God.
>>34814640Very important to let this feeling go. There's more to experience with meditation, but if you attach to this electric feeling you can't move beyond it
>>34830016Enlightenment is already there. Your awareness is literally fathomless. The trick is noticing the endlessness of your own mind
>>34830055Why would you care about the mind? It's not you or a key to enlightenment.
Why was the meditation general thread nuked?
>>34830109While meditation threads drum up interest, they aren't always as continually consistent as say divination or nobody generals. Plus, there wasn't a distinct copy/paste for quickly remaking it without the same 1 or 2 OPs who specifically put up meditation generals.
i hate how many pseudospiritual nonces pervade these threads. fart huffing wankers
>>34813882Focus on a middle point between your eyes, you know where the third eye is supposed to be. If it hurts keeps going and train it until it feels good.
close your eyesthink about drowning in an ocean of pissascend to piss master dimension
>>34831058you spent 9 months living in amniotic fluid which is piss. your meditation has potential to return you to a pure state before birth.
>>34813865I have a question for meditation anons. I heard meditation will help free me of negative thoughts and emotions but as soon as I try it my mind knows I’m doing it to free myself of these thoughts and pushes them even harder on me. I try to focus on my breathe but then the thoughts overwhelm me so I quit
>>34814640I don't understand how people can do long meditations. Maybe I'm just very low energy but I start falling asleep after fifteen minutes. How do I fix low energy state?
>>34832137jokes on youi was a premature birthmy mother did crackyour move, faggot
>>34832294And? You give up? Why? Maybe it's the mind giving you thoughts that you should give up and that you can't go on?
>>34832315Maybe it's your posture? How does your body sit?For me sleepiness was defeated after I began meditating sitting on a chair without back support and by having my spine erected and chin tucked in (a head falling back usually brings sleepiness) during the whole sit.
>>34832379gr8 ideaalsomeditate after you wake upbecause you've slept already, you will be less likely to fall asleep ^_^
>>34832442Not a bad idea. I am usually wide awake first thing in the morning so that might work well for me!>>34832379I go cross legged until my legs hurt, sometimes I lie down.
>>34827753I also have very loud tinnitus. Sometimes other things come in alongside it, like voices. It's made scrying sessions interesting, even if meditation is difficult sometimes.
>>34830468now that's your ego talking
>>34833095actually you are the one who is gay, i believe
>>34832294that's the idea, it's like water boiling in a kettle, watching the bubbles coming up. the task is to observe the bubbles and let them go, stop energizing them, feeding the patterns. the stuff that comes up may be things you weren't even aware like consciously, still influencing your thinking, otherwise inaccessible for the disposal.there are two sources of attachment (and by extension - suffering), that make the thoughts appear - hate and desire. negative thoughts are relatively easy to get rid off, you don't want them there in the first place. the things that make you feel good, that you're attached to, that inevitably are going to turn into suffering, now that's a real problem.just keep practicing, what you're describing is basically an integral part of meditation, not a side effect. i can't promise they will go away, even though the books say so, but it gives you a degree of control, doesn't leave you helpless.i have yet to read that Trauma Release book anons sometimes mention, to get a wider perspective, compare with my notes. maybe the buddhist philosophy of mind isn't the final word on the topic, but for a moment it's all i've read about.
>>34833282do u think christianity places an emphasis on meditation in a meaningful wayit feels like other practices, religious or otherwise, place a significant emphasis on it where christianity doesn't
>>34833312>unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heavenit's a great book when you look at it from the psychological perspective. the whole myth of creation, naming things, separating the concepts, it's how the brain functions. the sermon on the mount being one of the clearest "how to" set of instruction if treated as a literal description of the inner reality, and not a lecture on ethics.who knows, maybe being in the pure meditative state, and being in the state of God's grace means the same thing.the church expressed it's stance on mediation as a tool, it might be interesting to read: https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19891015_meditazione-cristiana_en.html
>>34833442>the sermon on the mount being one of the clearest "how to" set of instruction if treated as a literal description of the inner reality, and not a lecture on ethics.can u expound on that
>>34833651>blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heavenpurification of attachments>you shall not murder, but I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgmentroots of such actions lie within our inner world>do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black, all you need to say is simply yes or no, anything beyond this comes from the evil oneillusion that can arise when we go beyond facing the truth, illusion being related to evil>if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two milestransformative power of our actions, becoming unmovable instead of reacting>pray for those who persecute youhatred as the source of attachment, suffering>do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doingacting without attachment to outcomes, in present-moment awareness >the eye is the lamp of the body. if your eyes are healthy, your whole body will be full of lightthe way we perceive the world impacting our inner state>they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds thema reminder to let go of the attachments and desires perpetuated by the illusions of Mara>the same way you judge others, you will be judgedinterconnectedness of our beliefs and the consequences they can have on ourselvesthe Lord's Prayer with the whole "as above so below" thing
>>34834175that's great. i don't feel like the church would facilitate this kind of meaning though
>>34830438what a shame, meditation general would at least save some face for this schizo board. gonna need a steady pasta of instruction and resources. maybe also put up some anime girl pics?
>>34813865You just focus on one thing to the exclusion of everything else
>>34834281i don't know, the Catechism of the Roman Church is like 500 pages long, one day i'm going to work through it, so i confirm or deny, but it assumes there are like levels of teaching, from Jesus riding on a donkey to grab kids attention, to more serious stuff. my education ended in sunday school, who knows what could be there.i know there are things like Ignatian retreats, dating back to 1500s, with enforced rule of silence, prescribed passages to visualize, and contemplate.
Is it normal to get a kind of high after meditating. It usually lasts about 15 minutes after I meditate for 15-20 minutes(trying to do more then that but its hard cause im just starting out). I still dont get to a real deep state, but I am in a different frame of mind.
>>34835470Instead of erasure you can do the visualization about expanding the aura like a sphere to the infinity.
>>34835470most people consider their habitual tension to be the boundary of their body. the more threatened they feel, the more they tense. the more they tense, the more they bind themselves in discomfort, leading to further feelings of threat. this is how chronic anxiety develops
>>34832294When you have poor muscles and start running you feel bad.
>>34832294The mind resist the attempts for independence, you know it's the solution because you face resistance
>>34835470This version is better.
>>34836225I'm in the state you just described, I was raised in an abusive environment during childhood and I am in a survival mode of fear and hate 24/7, I used to smoke weed and drink alcohol to ease and forget but nowadays I am totally sober and unfortunately the feeling of survival it's always there.Trauma sucks and I don't know how to really fight it, I have no money for therapy, I've read various books about combating alone, I should muster the courage and do it already...
>>34836032Everything is normal during meditation, you may feel high, you may feel like spinning around or floating, feelings of anger or sadness may come, feelings of bliss may come.Don't cling on any of them, don't try to re-emulate because "it was trippy and I want to feel good again!", don't waste your time asking random dudes on the internet if it's "normal".Just go deeper
>>34833312Yes, Christian mystics and monks are supportive of meditative practices, considering prayer as a form of it.
>>34837102this will give you a type of stream-entry experience
>>34833312Christianity is about control, like all religions imposing rules. It’s brainwashing. The sooner you can escape the matrix of that. The better.
>>34838433You haven't read the gnostic gospels yet then.
Please convince my over analytical and doubtful mind: How is focusing on the feeling of my body breathing going to make me realize new things and make new discoveries as people claim?
>>34827753Your not that fucked. Schizo's are fucked, you just came pretuned is all.
>>34838699Mindful awareness of sensations and mental processes without reacting to them is a top down process that untangles bundled complexes of thought and feeling. This process becomes automatic with repeated practice. So say you're focused on the breath, other thoughts are ignored and eventually silenced through not paying attention to them. Or you're a little farther along and are looking at the pain in your leg from sitting and start to notice that thoughts and emotions arise because of it in a way you didn't notice before. By examination, you untangle and separate causes and effects. Someone who is anxious may come to realize that they follow chains of thought that make feelings of anxiousness arise and then focus on that anxiousness, which only makes it worse. All in the space of a breath. Before they thought that they just "were" anxious, as if it arose independently, now they see that there is a chain of events that they have some control over. Noticing something without grasping for it or turning away from it has some profound effects.Once you move through the worst of this, subtler states develop in the abiding calm.
>>34838699>analytical and doubtful mindFuck the mind, you are not the mind and it should not rule over you.
>>34838943Thank you, I will meditate now.
>>34838699dunno about the profound discoveries, but it can give you hands free orgasms
>>34838630christians reject gnosticism though
>>34839596Gnosticism is a form of esoteric Christianity.
>>34838943NTA but how is ignoring my thoughts and sensations by concentrating on ONE single thing going to make me realize things, patterns e.t.c.? Shouldn't I be aware of ANYTHING which arises and welcome it?To me it seems like meditation is supposed to train attentiveness and perceptiveness, as you said you untangle what you have inside of you - be it emotions or thoughts -.I'm saying this because every time I sit and I try to concentrate something inside of me tells me that I am ignoring all those important things and that I am just trying to escape reality by concentrating on my breath.Am I wrong?
>>34813865Allow your thoughts, emotions and memories to dissipate as if they were passing clouds.Focus on the breath going in and out of your nostrils and feel it vitalize your body.Labor to empty your mind in a way that is effortless and stress free.The longer you labor and the further into the divine darkness you travel the better the results of your meditation will be.
>>34840052if you're catholic or orthodox, gnosticism is heretical. nothing you learn in those churches will acknowledge gnosticism as legitimate forms of christianity
>>34840226>I'm saying this because every time I sit and I try to concentrate something inside of me tells me that I am ignoring all those important things and that I am just trying to escape reality by concentrating on my breath.that just sounds like a thought trying to get your attention. i think when you become the space between thoughts you're less reactive to those thoughts. and sometimes those thoughts are intrusive, unhelpful, whatever. so in that way you can see a very real benefit for your mental health, like when it comes to ruminating on negative things. the benefits of repeatedly returning to that space through meditation is that it doesn't just stop when you get up and go about your day, it's something you can improve, and carry with youthere's more to it but that's at least something immediately (more or less) tangible
>>34840315Thanks for your reply, I think that it's indeed an anxious thoughfrom which resides inside of me making me think like that, I've experienced silence (although not total) during meditation and thoughts seemed like small clouds and nothing more and I managed to carry a bit of that silence with me after I resumed with my daily life.
>>34816071WHAT THE FUCK does that have to do with anything you goddamn meme of a parrot.
>>34825556This might be it.
>>34838943fuck me that was a great explanation
>>34813865true meditation is a sprint, not a marathon run.Quality, not quantity.
>>34827753Place your index fingers on top of you middle fingers and snap them (the index fingers) onto the skull making a loud, drumming noise. Repeat 40-50 times. Some people experience immediate relief with this method. Repeat several times a day for as long as necessary to reduce tinnitus.”
>>34832317bathe in crack think abt drowing in it
Just watch, don't judge, just watch.No need to "accept" or "change" things, just watch without being absorbed totally in what you're watching.Imagine that you are taking a step back all the time while having your gaze fixed on what you're watching.What you're watching can be just a single point on a wall or your diaphragm going up and down, or it can be the whole world.
>>34840758Clearly you don't know that sustained value is cultivated over time, which is where quality is built. If someone attains an instantaneous, qualitative experience, that's wonderful. Suffice to day, most do not have that off the bat. It takes time to develop habits.
>>34840226>I am just trying to escape reality by concentrating on my breath.Getting to know silence reveals less illusionary realities, your mind is afraid of this.You have been thinking all of your life like almost every other person, clearly it's not working out.
>>34814640The Astral Projection fellas will tell you your body is ready to project and you just need to roll out of your body.
>>34814640>>34843938When the vibrations start simply relax and let it calm down, then you are ready to leave.
>>34840285Who cares what an religious institution decrees? Figure things out for yourself.
>>34843935and there's a part about being in the current moment, instead of living in your head, that also helps.
>>34845374the people that call themselves christians care
>>34840875way ahead of u
>>34843623NTA. I can feel you coping hard.Quality takes willpower, surrender to the moment harder than you can imagine, not believing the copes your mind comes up with.What are you 1000h+ meditation and still needing the excuse of more practice to find quality. You can drop the copes today.
>>34840678I've watched a lot of Shinzen Young videos alongside reading source texts and much-needed practice. Technical, philosophical language is great and necessary but the phenomenological experience can be described in simple terms. Observation without grasping or aversion is calm abiding. Seeing the clump (of aggregate thoughts and feelings) expand into a chain of experiences with many causes and effects is meditation on codependent origination. This is the insight in insight meditation, vipassana yoga.>>34840226It does give you laser focused concentration, so that you can attend to thoughts and sensations without being moved by them. There are different approaches, you can focus on whatever thought arises and watch it pass or focus on different details of it and see every component that made it and what it makes. Or attend to the breath and see Maya rise up in her terrible glory to distract you. Manifest reality and every stray thought will rise up from the void it came from (seriously, from our perspective, thoughts and even vision comes from seemingly nowhere and goes back to that nowhere every instant) to ride your dick to get your attention and scream at you when you aren't interested. It's wild. In one sense, yeah there are more important things to attend to, there always are. In another sense, it's just another thought that's indistinguishable from any other in form and function. I'm no expert, which is why I can safely say that common beginner notions of what meditation entails and what the experience itself is like don't line up very well. It's no small matter of faith to break through that initial doubt and experience the other side. That need to do something else is still there, you still do other things and care about them, they just don't control you. Watch a paramedic in action, total calm, taking things as they come; they're at work. Meditation is being at work.
>>34843623>>34846148 I don't consider myself a super turbo master of meditation or anything but I've been meditating for years and I could say thay you are both right.In my opinion beginners will probably need to spend enought time daily before they can get a basic garsp of what meditation is, a beginner may spend a whole 40 minute sit just hypnotized by daydreaming.After gaining experience and being able to get the meditative state to stick with you even after your sits and into other momments of your life you can then say that your "meditation muscle" is ready for accelerated sprints.
>>34846091As if the majority of Christians actually know the foundations that precede the religion or the beginning history of it, acknowledging the elements that are incorporated into their modern beliefs that are the same as those of what their instutions have labeled as "heretical", "Pagan" or "Satanic". If only they let their curiousities go and nourish; unbind the divine spark within them to provide fuel for actual Spiritually-enriching exploration of the Self.
>>34846775Great post thanks.
>>34813865sometimes when i meditate i feel a spinning sensation and also feel a little disconnected from my body like i'm floating. what does this mean bros?
>>34846832>you can then say that your "meditation muscle" is ready for accelerated sprints.Why wait? After reaching any meditative state you can surrender harder than what is possible, if this fails you still benefit, if you succeed then years or decades were saved.There is no reason why you can't do it.>>34851231Getting used to heightened energies and possibly much else like activations and healing. Always ground after floating, grounding practices are easy to find and fast to do.
>>34852078How does one surrender harder? Serious question.
>>34852746Many ways, do what you naturally resist and what you are excited about.The ultimate form of surrender is giving away all of your fears including the need to be alive, fully accepting what is and might come.One way is letting go and then repeatedly letting go, not mentally naming what is let go of. This can include yourself and all, see what comes up or don't see and let go.Pierce, penetrate, go deeper, keep falling. Nothing bad will happen but it can feel unsafe, perhaps it should feel unsafe.Anyone can succeed on the first try, doing these intensively for couple weeks will give huge results.Don't focus too much on these words, you know what to do if you are honest with yourself.
>>34852797Thanks a lot, you really inspired me, however I didn't quite understand the first sentence>Do what you naturally resist and what you are excited aboutThese 2 are polar opposites no? What do you mean by that?
Last night while meditating (not long, just a humble 15 minutes) I was breathing in and out and focusing on my breath, when suddenly an image of a closed door appeared in my mind. What does it mean? What is behind the door? Is it symbolic to going deeper into my mind through meditation?
>>34853397As the Nike logo say, "Just Do It."
>>34853704Do both, follow your excitement and go against the flow. No progress without resistance, many avoid the resistance for years not finding what they truly need.
>>34813865Step one: meditate.
Meditation does not make me feel good or peaceful and after I do it I’m in a terrible slump for a couple of days afterwards. Anyone knows a way to meditate without it causing depression or something
>>34813865everytime i try to meditate my eyes keep twitching like crazyanyone got a fix?
>>34813865>How do I fuarkinggg meditate?!?You fuarkinggg don't
>>34855488watch the twitching eye instead of breath heehehhe
>>34855488That's caused by a strong current of energies coming in, try keeping your eyelids partly open.When you get used to that amount of energy (your nadis open more) chances are you start receiving more and the lids keep shuttering.
I get a really strong heart beat when I try to meditate recently, and it prevents me to get in the zone, any one have tips?
>>34855967Eat less salt
>>34855466Meditate on your depression, slumpness etcWhen I say meditate I mean watch it, observe it, don't multiply it or make stories in your mind about it.
my dudeu ned 2 let go of ur controllin impulsesin faktstop tryin to meditatestop tryin dudewhat r u tryin to get to?just be curious my guy
>>34813865Can I meditate despite my Aphantasia? I have tried. I'm good at not having thoughts pop-up, but the supprssed pain that comes out of my body when i shut off my thoughts is a real drag. I don't think it's related to the aphantasia though. Obviously guided visualization is out.
>>34815848You gotta push threw them like webbing
>>34840052The problem is how the common gnostic views the material world as "evil" instead of "flawed" and this makes them seem anti-natalist and other shennigans.
>>34853397That's the spirit!
>>34813865gateway experience>>34853397your process is my process after i meditate
I worked my way up to two hours of meditation but then I started getting horny and wanting to jack off around the hour and a half mark every session so I stopped
>>34813865Jesus was clearly in meditation. Follow Christ.
>>34861471By "follow Christ" I think you meant that one should try become his own Christ, right?
>>34815082that's what i thought, i found the opposite.
>>348138651. Get drunk, preferably red wine2. do some pullups for extra dopamine, I mean pushups3.. Hyperventilate4. Edge to porn for 1 hour (VERY IMPORTANT: DONT CUM)5.Hyperventilate some more6. Drink moreCongrats you just reached a mystical state of being, your mind eye be going CRAAAZYYY if you do all i told you
You just have to sit still and observe a single point/object, then your mind will be like a hard drive being defragged, you just have to sit there and wait for the defrag to end, if you are good at focusing on the object then the defragment will take less time.Yes you can pick the thinking mind as an object but it's harder, I prefer the movements of the diaphragm myself.
Wish I could meditate in pure silence without this annoying ass tinnitus.Meditating outside kind of helps because of the birds and other animals masking the high pitch of the ear ringing but it's still bothersome.
Anons, let's meditate together.Now, live, non-dual meditation with Michael Taft:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_Z3IsePzgE
>>34862508Telling people to become one's own Christ is honestly egoic as fuck."Become Your Own Christ" is akin to E.A. Koetting's schtick of "Become a Living God." Both are selfish in nature, thus potentially and probabilistically leaning towards the L.H.P. side of the spectrum. People's egos are easily inflated like a blimp, or conversely diminished, going to either extreme. Ultimately, one needs balance and temperance. The core feeling and sentiment is correct in what Yeshua ben Yoseph set out to share and lead by example. "Follow Christ" works to give the directive to learn from that example, hence being able to attain insight and expanded awareness. On the journey itself, you come to know thyself, becoming your genuine authentic Self. "History doesn't repeat, it rhymes." I forget who exactly stated that quote initially, yet it may have been Mark Twain. In any case, my point in stating it is that, in following the examples and learning from the parables shared by Yeshua ben Yoseph, one can come to know their own divinity. Yet, best do so with the proper call-to-action.
>>34838699Why can't you just try it? Isn't it best option for sceptics? The answer is there are some things to be learned with over-working mind and there are some things that becomes visible after mind becomes slower and eventually stops. When mind stops you see things you didn't saw before.
Good weed helps me meditate
>>34814640You fell asleep and got startled by something and woke up with tachycardia
I really like this quote from the mind illuminated: "All you’re really “doing” in meditation is forming and holding specific conscious intentions—nothing more."However most people think that they are their thoughts, so it's generally adviced to first meditate on focusing on a single object like the breath so you can detach from the thinking mind.
>>34867573>Do yoga.NTA but which poses?
>>34818542What Stage are you working on now?
>>34869784I'd day #6, dullness and sleepiness are all gone and I can start feeling like I am my breath, also most thoughts about being a "super yogi" are gone, actually most thoughts in general are gone.Some extremely blissfull and strange sensations also come sometimes (they seem like they a big part of the next stage)
>>34870142Do you not know what Tinnitus is?
Can you meditate on a concept? If I wanted to become a better chef, could I hold my concentration on cooking and running a kitchen instead of my breath to 'become one' with that?
>>34871860Meditation is observation. If you observe the thought you have about becoming a better chef, focus in on and visualize it, you can reframe your mindset to more readily attain that goal.In short, yes.
>>34871860Yes. A number of western meditations are about deeply concentrating on concepts and breaking them down into components. Meditatio as a word derives from thought of this sort, philosophical inquiry is one such style.
>>34871710Do you also find yourself maintaining awareness of the breath even outside of sits? How bad were the purifications for you?
>>34874478I've found that outside of sits I prefer focusing on what I'm doing like driving or working, sometimes when I'm having a break I may do the body scanning technique but rarely focusing on the breath.As for the purifications I think you mean all the trauma etc which pops up during deep concentration right? Well it was a bit hard because my social conditioning of hating some people and being fearful of others came up to the surface and it became crystal clear why it was there, also tons of forgotten memories resurfaced and allong with them many emotions.Also my body was shaking a lot during those kind of sits, fear of what I may discover was always there and there were many times in which I thought about quitting meditation forever.But here I am continuing the journey.
Anyone got the pic of a mask being removed to reveal the empty reality of consciousness? The mask shows “life” outside of the void.
When I meditate I use ASMR videos of rain or the ocean and wear sound canceling headphones. I start by watching a video of a guided meditation or a breathing exercise, then listening to the ASMR. When my mediation is successful it's like taking a conscious nap to me. Instead of dreaming I go into a trance like state where I just think about moments of my life and things that I've learned. I don't really open my eyes and I kind of forget I'm awake. After about 30-60 minutes pass I snap oit of it and ususally feel more relaxed/energized. Granted I have issues sleeping well and feeling rested so this could just be me power napping and not realizing it.
>>34875490It does sound like a good hypno induction and those put me to sleep. Trance sessions are notably refreshing even without the suggestion for them to be. There is a zen school technique where you remain conscious as you pretty much fall asleep sitting up, but it's more observing the thoughts that arise without interacting with them. Many of these states overlap but what you do in them differs.
>>34838699Do pushups give your chest and arms a pump?Does your dick get hard when you see something you like?Just like that, blood flow through the prefrontal cortex is increased with meditation. Awareness and analytical thought are located in the prefrontal cortex so if you focus on expanding these two, by meditating aka being aware, you are becoming smarter because your prefrontal cortex gets bigger/has more circulation. Does drinking coffee not make you more aware? Of course it does. Same with meditation. It's like pushups for your brain. Also it relaxes your body, your eyes gotta be closed when meditating, doing something throughout the day and manually breathing will not engage your attention fully, you need full attention and relaxation, but like any other mental practice, it will bring out the memories and traumas to process them so you become a calmer individual, so beware of some bad tripping on memory lane, you might even start crying uncontrollably
>>34876034>beware of some bad tripping on memory lane, you might even start crying uncontrollablyfuck
>>34871710Damn, anon. How long did it take you to get past S4?
>>34876034Thank you, great post.>>34876373I've experienced crying and other trauma-release during meditation, it's indeed "fuck" but afterwards you feel refreshed as FUCK!
>>34876853I think that depends on many lifestyle changes I've made, I work out more, I don't drink nor smoke weed and I spend rarely time in front of the screen.Also I meditate without my back leaning on a chair or a wall so that makes me more aware.Also just keep going, yo4u'll evolve eventually.
>>34877650>trauma-releaseMade a girl cum so hard that she had that post-sex. Had to stop to be a shoulder to cry on. Happened a couple times.On a similar note, can sex be done meditatively? Would that be like tantra and shit?
>>34878601Tantra is much more than things related to sex, contrary to the West's rudimentary understanding of it.
>>34813865What is your idea of meditation? What do you think you're supposed to do while meditating?
>>34813865>Mind = Mountain>Thoughts = Clouds.
>>34880092get so bored that you die.
Gateway experience makes it much easier
>>34881253The Gateway Experience is mental programmng that was developed during MK Ultra.
>>34882369Are you a glowie or do you simply believe them?
>>34882764Are you unable to connect the dots? It was a federally-sanctioned program with Robert Monroe being involved on the record.
>>34883375Are you making or believing lies? They hate everything that is good for us, that's why their lapdogs swarm every thread about it. The Monroe institute was taken over some time after hemi-sync came out.
>>34883403monroe never sold out but nothing could protect the institute from the luciferian elites. doesn't matter the tapes got out
>>34883585What I'm saying is that the gateway tapes themselves are tainted in their method as they were developed by a participating MK Ultra scientist. You should be cautious and wary about doing shit like that.
What is your preferred method of focusing during meditation? I like to follow my breath but lately its not been very fruitful for some reason. I feel like I'm getting close to achieving good focus but lose it frequently (i.e. reaching blissful state and meditative state) and just stay in this quiet state.Do you prefer an image, symbol, music, etc. while meditating?
>>34882369>>34883375>>34883697Works for me glownigger
>>34884432Follow the breath until it disappears (meaning when it will be so calm that your breathing muscles will look like they aren't moving at all), then focus on the whole body sitting there. Later you won't need to focus on anything at all.>Its not been very fruitful for some reason.Are you chasing goals/states e.t.c.? That looks like it, stick to the breath.
>>34821937Calm down moshe
>>34885209>>34886932Readily accepting programming that makes you enter a more suggestible state. The sheep continue to remain in the herd.
>>34838630I've read a few of them and learn about gnosticism, which is how I know that modern christianity is a lie. i was brainwashed with that abrahamic nonsense. was hard but fought through cognitive dissonance and im free of that shit.gnosticism is based though. the different sects had interesting beliefs, the neatest one is that of relying on personal direct experience, like theosophists.
>>34887860a summary for the uninitiated?
>>34837102my preference is not to sit...to lay enter more or less a trance state..
>>34889842Yeah that may work well, but how often do you fall asleep?
>>34878601Sex is one of the most meditative things there are, because unlike mastutbation which is something forced as fuck, you literally force your body to orgasm, if there is a female involved there is zero strain, just smooth sailing, relaxation, trance state, flow. This is why forced sex like paid sex or masturbation sucks, because it's unnatural
>>34890431NTA, but I like to lay down for meditations where I enter and maintain a hypnagogic state.It can in theory be done sitting, but it's a lot easier laying down.The main purpose of this mind-state is that it grants the ability to see beyond the veil.tl;dr it's how you detect fey folk.
check out joyofsatan.orgminus the religious shit they have some nice meditations there. void meditation with the paced breathing helps me get into what I would call a low level trance.
>>34813865Also need help, I used to be able to but now my legs start hurting and shaking
>>34892517Try laying down like these anons>>34889842>>34890845
>>34813865bros i can feel my crown chakra pulsatingany tips?
>>34892988Feel it more, don't make up stories about it. The end.
>>34892988Visit your medic, brain tumors aren't a joke.
>>34813865Meditating past mindfulness is dangerous. You don't want to become a vegetable, you just want to achieve mindfulness so that you can recognize anxiety and other issues
>>34813865To help silence the mind, do the Bill Donahue method of humming "OM" woth your ears plugged.https://youtu.be/qpHBFIaqX2Ahttps://www.hiddenmeanings.com/
>>34890431easy solution is to not meditate when sleepingi wake up precisely at 4am..thats a good time to meditate imo.pretty easy to but the body back to sleep...specially if i didn't move and placed awareness "within" before actually "waking" up...if i DO fall asleep it is highly likely i'll be a lucid/astral dream at this point..so i do not see it as a bad thing (once aware you are in a dream...i like to meditate IN the dream. absolutely worth the efforts)
>>34892988Golden light meditation to make it even brighter and have that opening more easily allow energy to surge through your body.
Meditation is supposed to be relaxing but I find it exhausting. If I have a "peak" moment where I feel I made some progress, it is soon followed by an urge to stop about 20-30 minutes in. I never feel "refreshed" or anything necessarily positive that isn't just me consciously deciding that I had a good session
>>34899015let go of your expectations, anon.
>>34899015Your hard ego-shell is probably cracking, keep going, stay still and focus while being aware, don't give in to any thought or feeling of fear or anger e.t.c.I remember my first sits, it was mostly me falling asleep with a straight back or my body moving on its own and tensing a lot.But I didn't make up stories nor I stopped, I kept sitting day after day and the more relaxed sits came.Keep going anon! Meditation isn't supposed to be anything, meditation is just sitting still and paradoxically this stillness takes you farther than you've ever been, even if this "farther" are moments of agony, pain and sadness.