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>do flat earthers really?
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>>33919621
earth is provably flat and stationary. space is fake and gay, the magical spinning cartoon ball earth is fake and gay. we literally live in God's snow globe and every decision you make has immense meaning and significance. change your ways and start living correctly. dont fall for the nihilism meme and dont fall for any of the religion memes. you can look at life as either a test or a game but whatever you do , dont look at it as meaningless. BE A GOOD PERSON AND LIVE BY THE GOLDEN RULE ALWAYS! also stop jerking off you pathetic littel squirtboys. fapping to porn is literally a demonic ritual you are partaking in.

any answer to any question you may have about flat earth can be found in this pastebin:
https://pastebin.com/MwaRqfMM

shills will cope and Seethe.
Flat Earth anon has already exposed them.

************PSA***************
EVERY RESOURCE YOU NEED TO FIND ANY FLATEARTH RELATED ANSWER YOU ARE LOOKING FOR HAS BEEN POSTED BY FLAT EARTH ANON (AKA EDUCATE YOURSELF) IN A PREVIOUS THREAD ON /X/ WITHIN THE PAST 6 MONTHS AND CAN BE FOUND IN THE 4PLEBS ARCHIVE WHICH HAS A SEARCH FUNCTION THAT YOU SHOULD LEARN TO USE, AS IT WILL LET YOU BYPASS THE (((MAINSTREAM))) SEARCH ENGINES' ALGO'S AND GET TO LEGIT FE CONTENT.

FOR EXAMPLE:
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/search/text/flat%20earth%20optical%20horizon%20educate/
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>>33919621
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>>33920111
Checked and NPC-pilled.
Keep based true earther.
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>>33920106
It bothers me that your vote counts as much as mine.
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>>33919621
the Earth is a flat circle, just like all the other planets. its never been claimed to be a square.
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>>33920106
And explanations for how on your image if I sail or fly in a straight line from Australia from an initial bearing of East that I will run into South America?
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>>33920545
LMFAO best reply to psa shill ever.

SOME OF THE MOST OBVIOUS PROOFS OF A GLOBE EARTH

>Antarctica has 24 hours of daylight for months out of the year
picrel

>southern hemisphere stars rotate around a southern pole
Video below is from Australia. There is no way to explain this with a flat Earth model. Second link to jump to the camera aligned with Earth's south pole.
https://youtu.be/huysYcz-AiQ
https://youtu.be/huysYcz-AiQ?t=89

>optical and radio LoS
Reminder that you can demonstrate curvature with two $35 BaoFengs and some antennas. Contact your local HAM club if you want some boomers to demonstrate curvature for you for free. Here is a LoS calculator link. Reminder that flatties typically miscalculate/lie about LoS distances. Always check their claims with a valid LoS calculator. Reminder that the entire radio and radar industries use LoS every day, it is integral to their functioning.
http://www.calculatoredge.com/electronics/lineofsight.htm

>southern hemisphere flight paths
Using a globe Earth flight path on a flat Earth in the southern hemisphere would leave your plane sputtering for fuel and falling into the ocean. Interesting that never happens, isn't it?
>but muh no flights across southern hemisphere!
Reminder that flatties limited their commercial flight searches to make it appear that this is true. There are plenty of flights between destinations in the southern hemisphere.

>gps
Reminder that GPS relies on the Doppler effect for tracking movement, therefore it cannot be faked with ground stations, airplanes, or balloons. GPS transmitters are provably moving at orbital altitudes and speeds. Did they punch through the dome? GPS also uses a spherical model for mapping. If Earth was flat then at the north pole GPS would read your altitude as 3,963 miles.
>muh LORAN!
Again, GPS transmitters are provably at orbital speeds and altitudes. You cannot fake Doppler.

>seasons
>eclipses
>day/night
>sunrise/sunset
>moonrise/moonset
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>>33919621
Earth isn’t flat, it’s a giant planet and we are contained inside of one small pocket of ice. All pictures of “earth” are CGI renders/photoshops of our moon, which is also habitable and habituated.

Our overseers scream about “global warming, “carbon dioxide,” and “overpopulation” the way they do because they require an oxygen rich environment to survive. If the ice wall melts and there are 8 billion of us, we can overcome them but they won’t survive anyway. This is why we are not allowed past Antarctica. I’m sure we have made many attempts and lost every single time.

The us government has been overtaken by some of them. They hide in isolation and “vote by proxy” blaming “coronavirus” for why they have to do everything by video and internet. They’re all over there laughing at us while we’ve been dying for 3 years.
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As for why we’re here, we just pick their fruit and vegetables and slave away to make electronic gadgets for them to enjoy over there. They’re immortal but they poison us, as much as industrial exposure from slavery does . They only want us to toil until our bodies and organs are ruined and then die after some flimsy “pension” or “Medicare” runs out.

It’s such a scam they can’t even fund those anymore.

There is no “border” crisis it’s a metaphor for the war between us and them.
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>>33920545
>he thinks i vote
voting is literal NPC behavior. you deserve your enslavement
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My model works , it has curvature because we are a round planet.

Same reason the stars follow the patterns they do relative to our *cough* “hemispheres” .

I think it’ll be over soon, they wanted many more of us to die. They’re not very nice or honest “people” or whatever the hell they are.

They just misrepresent the size of it and that’s why sincere “flat earth” people don’t buy into it.
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>>33919621
They are MOSTLY trolls.
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>>33920106
Kill yourself, now.
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>>33921406
You are just as dumb and ignorant as flat earth era AND even more schizo.
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>>33921046
>hurrr durrrr lets all be sure to vote and keep complying and helping perpetuate an obviously broken corrupted system designed to keep us all enslaved!
NPC is not even a strong enough word to describe how fucking retarded you would have to be to think voting is doing anything but helping support and maintain the oppressive power structure of eugenicists who want nothing more than to see you suffer and die painfully.

For those who are unaware - The world is owned and controlled by a small handful literal satanists, eugenicists, and psychopaths. They want to bring suffering, misery and death upon humanity. Above all else, they want your soul. They will do anything and everything in their power to convince you to become materialistic and nihilistic so that you become easy to control and manipulate (thats the primary objective of the heliocentric model). The more they can convince you that there is no metaphysical nature to reality, the easier it is for them to convince you to sin and commit atrocities for them. For those lurkers that are unaware of this fact and new to learning about how this world actually works, start here:

THE ELITE, ROYAL BLOODLINES, BILL GATES & THE EUGENICS IDEOLOGY:
https://www.corbettreport.com/bigoil/
https://www.corbettreport.com/who-is-bill-gates-full-documentary-2020/

CONSPIRACIES RESOURCES:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/70qvx7/updated_list_of_proven_conspiracies_and_hidden/
https://www.corbettreport.com/
https://unlimitedhangout.com/
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com
https://www.crrow777radio.com/
https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/tkelly6785757
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>>33921046
>videos of space are fake and gay, how could you possibly believe them when you haven't seen it for yourself
> but these two videos are completely legit even though I didn't make the timelapse
Try harder CIA
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>>33921046
Threadly reminder that there are literal paid shills in these threads sent to obfuscate any discussion of Flat Earth and to ultimately derail the conversation:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33062450/#33080157

The same exact globeshills show up in every single FE thread like clockwork. Their continuous and unrelenting presence in these threads alone is strong evidence of the legitimacy of FE arguments. If flat earthers really were just a bunch of loony fringe nutcases with nothing to back their assertions, paid shills would not be in every single one of these threads with us.

Anyone capable of searching for and reading thru the previous threads in the 4plebs archive can see the exact same posts made by the exact same shills and dozens of replies from both sides going back and forth about each of them. The fact that the shill always feels the need to pretend as if the conversation needs to start from square one on every single topic, in every single thread, is an obvious giveaway of the fact that he knows the conversation on each of the topics always ends with him getting BTFO. Of course the shill wants to rewind and start from the beginning where he can just launch rapid fire fallacious unsubstantiated assertions bc that is all the shill has. If you search for the points in the shillpasta that gets posted by the same shill in every single FE thread and read thru the previous flat earth threads in the archive where those points were addressed, you’ll feel like you’re living Groundhog Day with the exact same posts being presented and refuted with the exact same points. typical globeshill tactic to obfuscate legitimate discussion and hinder productive conversation of the most common FE arguments.
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Why would flights between Australia and South America take such an inefficient path, if the world is flat? And if it’s an effort to hide the shape of the planet, why does it only take 16-19 hours for such a trip? It should take way longer to travel around the “outer rim” of a flat earth.
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>>33921496
>>33921508
>>33921527
Wow Dave calm down, go outside, take a huge bowl of your bent atmosphere
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What are solar and lunar eclipses in the flat earth model of the universe? What is covering the moon in shadow during an eclipse? How large are the sun and the moon, and what causes the phases of the moon? How do you predict the phases of the moon, and eclipses, using the flat earth model, with the same exactness as the Copernican model?
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FLAT ERF is a Jewish & COINTELPRO psyop to poison free-speech spaces.

There were no flat earth threads before Charlottesville. When the goyim looked like they were waking up to The Jew and the lie of the holocaust, kikes started shilling something very dumb for them to "wake up" to instead.
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>>33920106
The attempt at well poisoning is too obvious glownigger
>existence is a test
>therefore the planetary mass you exist on is flat lmao
Still, it's outright shocking at how succesfull the whole psyop is on a grand scale.
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>>33922375
>hurrr i got btfo'd and have no rebuttals so i'll write a wall of insult text
Have you decided if there is an aether or not? It was THE cornerstone of your arguments against RLGs until even you realized how stupid and incoherent your replies were. Sad thing is you didn't skip a beat on defending your myth, you just skipped to an entirely new and even less coherent theory "muh magnets how do they work?"
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>>33923289
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33881331/#33892073
if you go back to that thread we were in where he was going back and forth with you, i was literally replying to him also asking him questions about the lorentz force and the stark zeeman bc i admittedly dont know anything about them. i havent really had time to look into them more since that thread bc that would take a lot of time and serious study for me to learn about coming into the subjects completely green. that guy was popping off with concepts and arguments i hadnt heard of before from any other Flat earther. pretty sure you kno that wasnt me considering ive never posted diagrams like he was posting before and in all of our interactions have never shown the slightest aptitude for the stuff he was talking about relating to magnetism and electrical fields. just look at the jargon he was using, that stuff he was talking about kinda went over my head and i literally replied to him telling him as much and asking for any sources he could provide me with to help me learn about what he was talking about:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33830188/#33845187

he also said the aether didnt exist which i strongly disagree with, but since i didnt really understand half the shit he was saying, i couldn't really refute him either so i was hoping to learn from him. i tried following what you guys were talking about in the next thread, but again, it wasnt really stuff i was familiar with so i couldnt refute it or agree with it either way so i sat back and let you guys go at it.

you dont have to pretend like you think im that guy to try to shit on my integrity claiming i would lie about what arguments ive made in previous threads. i'm perfectly comfortable making my own arguments and not afraid to admit when im wrong. for example:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/32623940/#32634181
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>>33923333
can you address my arguments in that post? was that you in that thread as well i was just talking to?
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>>33923533
>wall of bullshit
Didn't even read. The aether was the cornerstone of your arguments against RLGs proving beyond doubt that Earth rotates. And when you got btfo'd, you didn't stop to think "maybe I'm wrong", you just jumped to a new dumb theory. Now you appear to be pretending that there was "another anon" who writes exactly the same way you do over walls of text.

* Is there an aether or not?
* If not, are you relying on "muh magnets" to try and COPE away RLGs?
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>>33923533
>>33923584
Pic related is a ring laser gyroscope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_laser_gyroscope

RLGs detect rotation via the Sagnac effect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagnac_effect

RLGs detect Earth's rotation.
https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/new-chip-based-laser-gyroscope-measures-earths-rotation

inb4
>MUH PHYSICIST MIS-QUOTES!
Because flerfers like to use pilpul to argue endlessly over their misquotes, we'll just cut to the chase and dismiss this as an appeal to authority fallacy.

>MUH ROTATING AETHER!
Michelson-Morley disproved the theory of a luminous aether.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson–Morley_experiment

>NOOOOO! THE AETHER IS REALLY THERE!
MM has been repeated with instruments 2 orders of magnitude more sensitive. Still null.

>BUT FRINGES WERE DETECTED! MUH AETHER IS ROTATING!
Fringes are always within the device error range. As devices become more accurate, the fringes become smaller, ultimately by two orders of magnitude. Either the aether is magically slowing its rotation as we build more accurate interferometers...which also means a rotating aether cannot explain RLG results...or there is no aether.

>BUT MUH DEVICE ORIENTATION!
During a MM experiment the device is slowly rotated 360°. The result is a graph, not a single reading. There are no orientation errors due to time.

>BUT MUH AETHER VORTEX MPH VARIES WITH LATITUDE AND ALTITUDE!
But the speed of light does not vary with latitude or altitude, which rules this out entirely.

>BUT MUH ROTATING DOME SHELL INERTIAL FORCES! MUH CORIOLIS FORCE!!!
RLGs do not rely on inertial or Coriolis forces. They rely entirely on Sagnac.

>BUT HAWKING SAID!
Oh, you love Hawking? Good, he said Earth is a rotating sphere orbiting the sun, and even showed people how to prove this.
https://ca.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/hawking_genius_ep06_clip01/where-are-we-ch-1-the-circumference-of-the-earth-genius-by-stephen-hawking/
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>>33923593
You're awesome anon. Thorough as always.
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>>33923584
>>33923593
>>33923626
if you want to be a fag and keep posting your fallacious stale pasta thats already been refuted in countless previous threads, fine go ahead and be that way. you're just coming off as insecure and unconfident.
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>>33923279
>>33923333
>the problem for the globe model i see with your explanation is that earth is orbiting AND rotating which means it is accelerating and decelerating
The problem with this is that earth's orbit is entirely inertial. The earth is in freefall around the sun like a satellite is in freefall around the earth. It's indistinguishable (by terrestrial experiment, e.g an accelerometer) from something moving at constant speed in a straight line. This is because the acceleration due to the sun's gravity affects every single object on earth equally (well, very close to equally. Across large distances there are small differences in the size of the force, and this affects the tides).
Earth's rotation is non-inertial, so it CAN be measured by terrestrial experiments like gyroscopes and pendulums, or by measuring the difference in weight at different latitudes due to the centripetal force.

>Also, ive never heard a legit explanation for why earth's atmosphere magically is able to travel faster than the ground beneath it despite the fact that its not connected to it so fluid dynamics would dictate that it would be moving a SLOWER speed than the ground and not FASTER
Should it be moving slower? I get that if you had a stationary earth that one day started spinning, you would expect the atmosphere to lag behind, but if the globe has been spinning forever, since it was created, is there any reason to think the air would lag behind?
In fact, if the earth were spinning faster in the past and was slowing down, wouldn't you expect the atmosphere to conserve that past momentum, and therefore spin faster?

>Also, you may be able to answer the box in a vacuum chamber contradiction with something other than the ridiculous "box that killed the dome" pasta
It's not a non sequitur. It is an explanation that based on your misunderstanding of physics, the air to rush up and fill the vacuum above us regardless of whether there's a container above of not.
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>>33923922
>It's indistinguishable (by terrestrial experiment, e.g an accelerometer) from something moving at constant speed in a straight line.
it should be measurable with laser interferometry but we are told cant be bc of a literal ad hoc cope with no empirical scientific evidence to back it. the official explanation is that if laser inferometery cant detect orbital speed bc the two concepts of "space" and "time" supposedly morphed into one entity that inexplicably developed physical features and this “space-time” dilates like a tranny and contracts physical matter to trick us into never being able to measure earth’s motions. this is beyond stupid.

there is absolutely no reason why it wouldnt be able to detect orbital speed if it actually existed. the sidereal rotation can be detected within a 98% accuracy (sagnac) using laser inferometry, however, earth's motion around the sun which is supposedly 60x faster than the sideral rotation speed was not detected AT ALL using laser inferometry. heliocentrism is a complete and total nonsensical shitshow see:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33311752/#33316918
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33285184/#33285426

>Earth's rotation is non-inertial, so it CAN be measured by terrestrial experiments like gyroscopes
mechanical gyros dont detect rotation. and rlg's dont measure earth's rotation, they measure the sidereal rotation of the aether

>and pendulums, or by measuring the difference in weight at different latitudes due to the centripetal force.
as stated in the links about, relativity states this could happen on a stationary earth due to mach's prinicple.
also, Foucault’s pendulums are pseudoscience by definition:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/411606599/#411618294
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>>33923922
>Should it be moving slower? I get that if you had a stationary earth that one day started spinning, you would expect the atmosphere to lag behind, but if the globe has been spinning forever, since it was created, is there any reason to think the air would lag behind?
yes its called fluid dynamics. There’s no way possible for the upper layers of the atmosphere be spinning FASTER than the lower layers. That would be a violation of the law of conservation of energy and the law of the conservation of momentum. The spinning globe model is debunked by this simple fact. these videos are a good place to start on this:
https://youtu.be/LL_wplBDrGc
https://youtu.be/tIwFhuHM7-o

Also, one of the best falsifications of earth's motions is north/south Meridian flights which completely and irrefutably debunk the claim that earth spins. They would be impossible. Just think about it for 2 seconds. Really think about what would happen to the ground beneath the plane as it moved from a northern location past the equator to a southern location flying the meridian route. earth is spinning at 500mph near Alaska and 1040mph near the equator so how is it possible for the plane to magically gain and lose sideways momentum as it flies a north/south meridian route? its not possible. you cant say momentum bc its momentum from its starting latitude would match the momentum of earth spinning below it at a different latitude and gravity doesnt work bc if gravity kept everything moving glued to its relative position above a moving earth then things like wind and air travel wouldnt be possible to begin with since everthing would just be stuck in the collumn of air going all the way up to the upper atmos as if it were on the ground.
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>>33923922
>In fact, if the earth were spinning faster in the past and was slowing down, wouldn't you expect the atmosphere to conserve that past momentum, and therefore spin faster?
no, again, fluid dynamics. think about a blender, when you look down into a blender thats spinning, the movement of the rotation of the content in the blender gets progressively slower the further it is from the blades

also, picrel, theyre now actually starting to push the story that earth's rotation is actually speeding up lol. the spinning globe model appears to be on its last breaths.
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>>33924401
Damn, I thought you were a different anon from quotespam anon. I thought maybe you wouldn't be quite as thick as him.
>it should be measurable with laser interferometry
No it shouldn't because the speed of light is constant relative to the observer. This has been confirmed repeatedly.

>there is absolutely no reason why it wouldnt be able to detect orbital speed if it actually existed
The invariance of c.

>the sidereal rotation can be detected within a 98% accuracy (sagnac) using laser inferometry, however, earth's motion around the sun which is supposedly 60x faster
Red Herring fallacy. Speed has nothing to do with it, one is inertial motion the other is non-inertial.

>mechanical gyros dont detect rotation
Yes they do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNYW8JWMVOY
I'm quite certain I've linked you this before.
>and rlg's dont measure earth's rotation, they measure the sidereal rotation of the aether
Ridiculous. Where is the axis of rotation for this mythical aether? That depends on your latitude. How can it depend on your latitude on a flat earth?

>as stated in the links about, relativity states this could happen on a stationary earth due to mach's prinicple.
Not on a flat earth.
>also, Foucault’s pendulums are pseudoscience by definition:
An unsupported claim. You neither gave the definition of "pseudoscience", nor showed how foucault's pendulums fit said definition. "by definition" my ass.

>>33924492
>yes its called fluid dynamics. There’s no way possible for the upper layers of the atmosphere be spinning FASTER than the lower layers. That would be a violation of the law of conservation of energy and the law of the conservation of momentum
Four claims. Zero evidence to back them up.

>how is it possible for the plane to magically gain and lose sideways momentum as it flies a north/south meridian route?
A plane has engines. It doesn't launch in one direction and not apply any force to itself until it arrives at a destination.
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>It's not a non sequitur.
it objectively is. you never once ahve provided an answer to the box that kills the ball paradox.
https://youtu.be/dY6zDwir8VY

Instead of doing the honorable thing and admitting that your model is nonsensical and contradictory with regards to the atmosphere being directly adjacent to the vacuum of space void of physical containment, you decided to distract from your inability to address the paradox with your “box that crushed the dome” pasta which is easily refuted by the fact that it is entirely possible to have a vacuum adjacent to a pressurized system WITHIN A CONTAINER, but it is impossible to have an infinite vacuum adjacent to earth’s atmosphere without a container. In fact, during the aftershow of the most recent Witsit Flat earth debate on Modern Day Debates, a phd physicist (literally the grandson of Van derr graff who invented the Van derr graff generator) was arguing that he creates pressurized systems next to vacuums with lasers in his lab on a daily basis.
You can listen to the Phd physicist explaining how a pressurized system is contained adjacent to a vacuum WITHIN A CONTAINER here:
(timestamped 9:09)
https://youtu.be/XjJxTCNv_Wo?t=549

and no, he didnt do it with grabity like the globe model claims lol
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>>33924572
>You can listen to the Phd physicist explaining how a pressurized system is contained adjacent to a vacuum WITHIN A CONTAINER here:
(timestamped 9:09)
https://youtu.be/XjJxTCNv_Wo?t=549

THAT RIGHT THERE DEBUNKS YOUR SILLY BOX THAT CRUSHED THE DOME PASTA. We have empirical evidence that a pressurized atmos can exist next to a vacuum within a container - therefor, objectively, the flat earth model does not violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics, and the globe model does. What’s more, the fact that the atmos in the phd physicist’s experiment was kept separate from the vacuum using magnetism and electrostatics further validates what I’ve already stated many times in many threads:

>there is also a measurable equipotential increase of 100 volts per meter as you increase altitude from the surface of earth which correlates with the decreasing pressure gradient. as the resting potential increases, the pressure decreases. The ONLY way to get a measurable increase resting charge potential of 100 volts per meter is if there is a Gaussian surface above us as well. You cannot produce one single example of an equincreasing electric potential without the use of 2 Gaussian surfaces. This is yet another proof of the existence of the firmament.

At the end of the day, the box that killed the ball is the easiest falsification of your religious heliocentric dogma.
https://youtu.be/dY6zDwir8VY
You have never provided an answer to the inherent contradiction in your model and you never will. Your pasta about the box that crushed the dome is easily refuted by your own phd physicists who all admit that a vacuum next to a pressurized atmos is only possible within a container which is exactly what the flat earth model claims.
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>>33923922
Also, you have no answer for any of the countless impossible long distance observations which falsify your claimed radius of 3959 miles:
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33291624/#33304347
https://youtu.be/KuJ0dGLeMDY
https://youtu.be/PkbFEYSLGGA
https://youtu.be/w5SICzoFDAk
https://youtu.be/wz68Q2Nz05A

inb4:
>muh walter bislin
His calculator is laughable. It literally has a slider that allows you to increase the radius of earth to whatever size it needs to be for the observation you have that doesn’t work with the alleged radius of 3959miles, and then he claims that bc you’ve now adjusted your math by increasing the radius of earth, you can claim that “refraction” allowed you to see thru miles of earth bulge lol. There is literally no observation possible that you cant use his calculator on to then claim refraction made it possible. If you follow the two archived links above and actual comprehend the content in them, you’ll quickly realize that objectively atmospheric refraction can only hinder the distance youre able to see, it can never increase it. Ive never once seen even one single example of refraction bringing an object hidden behind physical obstruction back into view. All of the countless FE threads ive ever been in and ive proposed this challenge countless times:
> can you provide one single example of an object hidden behind physical obstruction, arching up and over the physical obstruction and being brought back into view due solely to atmospheric refraction?
Not once has anyone been able to meet this challenge. Never.
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>>33924552
>Damn, I thought you were a different anon from quotespam anon. I thought maybe you wouldn't be quite as thick as him.
yea, same goes for me, i had hopes you might be a different guy than the fallacious stale pasta spamming globeshill. im pretty disappointed its just you again as well lol

since theres nothing new being posted here, ill be back later maybe to check in on the thread see if you posted something worthwhile. im sure youre just gonna keep avoiding addressing the box that killed the ball for teh umpteenth time, so i wont hold my breath, but who knows maybe you'll surprise me this time and actually try to give a legit answer instead of going with your typical strategy of sidestepping the issue altogether and avoiding the discussion.
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>>33924606
>can you provide one single example of an object hidden behind physical obstruction, arching up and over the physical obstruction and being brought back into view due solely to atmospheric refraction?
Because that's a retarded example, and you're retarded for thinking this is some smoking gun evidence.

All refraction does is lessen the apparent diminishing power of the horizon at ALL DISTANCES. It's not like you get 50 miles out and all of the sudden you get refraction. Your monitor is being refracted 10 inches from your face.
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>>33924572
>it objectively is. you never once ahve provided an answer to the box that kills the ball paradox
I have repeatedly point out the flaw in your hypothetical. It works the same whether the earth is a sphere surrounded by vacuum or in a dome with a vacuum at the top or a sphere in a 14 billion lightyear wide container.

> it is entirely possible to have a vacuum adjacent to a pressurized system WITHIN A CONTAINER, but it is impossible to have an infinite vacuum adjacent to earth’s atmosphere without a container.
Nothing about your hypothetical makes me believe it would behave differently depending on whether it was in a container or not. That is just something you have ASSERTED BASELESSLY.

>>33924578
>>You can listen to
blah blah blah there you go repeating yourself again. The reason you have to make 10 posts to respond to my one post it because you have to repeat your mantras over and over again.

>We have empirical evidence that a pressurized atmos can exist next to a vacuum within a container - therefor, objectively, the flat earth model does not violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics, and the globe model does
My globe model has a container dude. The container is really big. The fact that this is seemingly indistinguishable from a globe model with no container should tell you something about the validity of your reasoning (or lack thereof).

>>33924606
>Also, you have no answer for any of the
Oh man, introducing yet ANOTHER topic. Oh, and what's this? MORE copypasta and links? You really know how to have a productive conversation, don't you?

>>33924665
>i had hopes you might be a different guy than the fallacious stale pasta spamming globeshill
Dude, I haven't posted any pasta. That was all you. You're the only one posting pasta you delusional faggot.
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>>33920106
Based. Gos bless you brother for keeping spreading tbis truth despite the army of paid NASA trolls
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>>33922239
Crow777 is a shill.
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>>33920106
Earth is a tauroidal sphere aka donut. Glober's n flatearthers btfo
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>>33922375
You are right. Something that I noticed in thess threada that the posts usually get 2-3 anti Flat-Earth replies. Implying there are 3 main trolls constantly monitoring these threads.
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>>33922459
Spheres don't cast round shadows on other spheres. Educate yourself: https://youtu.be/TuKsMlANPxk whatever eclipses are, they are not caused by "Earth's shadow"
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>>33925346
why do you say that? i dont like how often he has people on his show shilling their supplements but i cant pin down any other reason why calling him a shill is justified. im not necessarily disagreeing with you either bc truth be told ive always gotten a weird vibe from listening to him but never been able to say specifically why. you got anything concrete you can point to back up your assertion?
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>>33924401
>dilates like a tranny
Lol! Made me chuckle
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>>33924401
Kek you typed a bunch of retard and your shits all gay
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>>33925443
>you typed a bunch of retard and
nice
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>>33925426
Why the fuck would you even humor a dumb eggman turbonigger schizoposting when all he can do is post bullshit URLs I’m not even going to follow because he’s too much of a faggot to post mathematical refutation of Foucaults Pendulum being able to predict Lat along with horizon drop.
I could fire up Google maps, drive on my pre 2008 ECM required no computer chip car between two points far away on Google maps, use an odometer to track the distance to verify its right, go into a science museum, find a working Foucault pendulum, ask some nerd how long it takes for a complete rotation, follow Foucaults formula on sine of latitude and get the latitude I started from the original point.
It’s why I hate these kinds of faggots, they are never the ones who have to use navigational systems or large distance transmission systems because curvature miscalculations gets real fucking real real fucking fast. It’s always some poorfag too.
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>>33925544
>globetranny proceeds to seethe typing a wall of text cope
Lol. I find the Flat Earther based and I agree with him. Stay mad.
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>>33925563
Enjoy your McDonalds and stimmybux faggot
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>Because that's a retarded example
lol your the same shill faggot that use to try and pass off that video of someone using liquid butane to see over obstruction and now you dont post that video any more bc you got BTFO so hard on it in so many threads XD and now you've changed your tune to
>n-n-nnnno i never wanted to provide you with an example to begin with...
>y-y-y-yyyyoure just a big stupid head whose not playing fair

lol your ENTIRE ARGUMENT for why we see so much further than we should be able to is:
>refraction allows objects hidden behind physical obstruction (Earth curvature) to arch up and over the physical obstruction and back into view
and when i ask you to provide even a single example of this happening you now try and claim its not fair for me to request of you. yea, God forbid anyone expect you to actually substantiate your claims with actual evidence for their validity! sorry to hurt you little feelings but you dont get to just make unsubstantiated claims about how refraction works and expect anons to beleive them just bc its the same shit the (((mainstream))) institutions are trying to shovel. you arguments are weak and youre pathetic for not having the integrity to admit that refraction is a pisspoor cope.
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>>33925627
literally this
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>>33924688
>I have repeatedly point out the flaw
you always say that and yet you never once actually make a coherent rebuttal as to what the flaw is in the argument is
>in your hypothetical
its not a hypothetical. this experiment has been done countless times, you dont even need to do it to know what the result will be. its obvious... gravity never prevents pressurized gas from rushing into a vacuum. this is objective lol you have LITERALLY NO RESPONSE to the box paradox and everyone who is reading this right now can see you running away like a little bitch instead of standing and defending your position.

>n-n-nn-nnnno i swear i already explained it to you
youre such a pathetic sniveling little weasel lol why dont you just admit that you have no answer for it? be a man for once in your life. just bc you have a disgusting infected gash where your manhood use to be doesnt mean you have to act so frail and unconfident when you dont know the answer to something

>it works the same whether the earth is a sphere surrounded by vacuum or in a dome with a vacuum
why are talking about domes when your model claims that GRAVITY keeps the atmos from rushing into the vacuum of space? are you claiming that the globe model has a dome now? if not, then anything about a "dome" is a blatant non sequitur

im not sure you even realize the extent of the public beating youre taking right now lol! my guy... reality check; youre getting utterly REKT by this box paradox by shying away from responding to it directly. stop running from it, stop trying to talk about domes in an obvious attempt to draw attention away from your inability to answer. if you dont have an answer just say "i dont know"

>or a sphere in a 14 billion lightyear wide container
your "14 billion lightyear wide container" is the very thing being called into question by the box paradox. you cant presuppose its existence to avoid substantiating your claim that it exists lol ffs youre making yourself look so stupid rn XD
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>>33925578
>Implying I eat at McDoncrap
Maybe if I was a glober I'd eat that shit. But I a Flat Earther and I know better.
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The earth is in the shape of a donut
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kek its always one or the other
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>your model claims that GRAVITY keeps the atmos from rushing into the vacuum of space
And your model has no explanation at all for why the atmoSPHERE doesn't rush to fill the vacuum at 50km altitude. There's no container to stop it whether a container is "totally required by physics guys!!!" or not.

>im not sure you even realize the extent of the public beating youre taking right now lol!
Narcissistic personality disorder lmao.

>your "14 billion lightyear wide container" is the very thing being called into question by the box paradox
AHHH, so the box paradox DOES rule out a vacuum existing in a container? Or is there a limit to the size of the container?

>you cant presuppose its existence
Uhhh, aren't you claiming that a container is a necessary antecedent? That would mean I HAVE to presuppose a container, just like you're doing.
I'm playing by your rules.
>lol ffs youre making yourself look so stupid rn XD
God you reek of desperation dude. You REALLY don't like the 14 billion light year container do you? It completely destroys your little """paradox""".
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>>33923803
You are the king of fallacious stale pasta. The difference is that my pasta actually explains each point. Simple, easy to understand proofs of globe Earth. Your pasta points people to shitty, long ass, monetized con man videos. BTW, if Earth is flat, why do you need a 6 hour YouTube video to prove it?

Don't think that everyone didn't notice you refusing to answer simple questions. Even you realize your cope is terrible.
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>>33924401
>it should be measurable with laser interferometry but we are told cant be bc of a literal ad hoc cope with no empirical scientific evidence to back it.
kek educate yourself
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Length_contraction#Experimental_verifications

>and this “space-time” dilates like a tranny
You would have trannies on your mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_testing_of_time_dilation#Experiments

>there is absolutely no reason why it wouldnt be able to detect orbital speed if it actually existed.
Except of course for the reason you hand wave.

>the sidereal rotation can be detected within a 98% accuracy (sagnac) using laser inferometry, however, earth's motion around the sun which is supposedly 60x faster than the sideral rotation speed was not detected AT ALL using laser inferometry.
Typical slight of hand by you, flerf. RLGs operate in a fundamentally different way from other forms of laser interferometry.

>heliocentrism is a complete and total nonsensical shitshow see:
And yet geocentrism can't produce software to predict the positions of the heavenly bodies. Odd, don't you think?

>and rlg's dont measure earth's rotation, they measure the sidereal rotation of the aether
HOLY SHIT THE AETHER IS BACK! You gave up on magnets? Let's briefly review the reasons your aether is bullshit.
>you claim MM interferometers detect it, yet it magically is always below the error margin for the device, whatever that margin is
>affects rlgs but not the speed of light, which would be impossible
>has slowed by two orders of magnitude in MM experiments, but gives the same results on rlgs, which would be impossible
>if it moves like one would expect, rlgs would give very different results at southern latitudes, yet they don't

>also, Foucault’s pendulums are pseudoscience by definition:
You are pseudoscience by definition.
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>>33924552
Holy shit, quotespam anon btfo'd. I couldn't have done any better myself.
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>>33924572
>you never once ahve provided an answer to the box that kills the ball paradox.
You are a fucking liar.
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33881331/#33892646
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33596546/#33622439
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33583601/#33604671

It is you who has NEVER provided a workable answer to the box that killed the dome.
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The Box That Killed The Dome

If you remove the lid of a pressurized box of air inside of a vacuum chamber without gravity, the air will violently rush out of the box to fill the vacuum. The air pressure will then be the same at every point in the chamber. It will be the same at the top, bottom, middle, and at all sides. Just like the air pressure in your car tires or a balloon or a SCUBA tank.

This thought experiment debunks the entire flat Earth model. If the air does not cling to the bottom of the chamber, then it certainly would not cling to the bottom of flat Earth. If the air does not leave any part of the chamber still in vacuum, then it certainly would not leave any part of flat Earth in vacuum. And if the air creates equal pressure at all points in the chamber, then certainly the air creates equal pressure at all points in the flat Earth dome.

Yet there is no denying that air thins as you climb in altitude. At 100,000 feet, somewhere near the top of the theorized dome, the air pressure is so low that it is effectively a vacuum.

This alone debunks all of flat Earth.
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>the fact that it is entirely possible to have a vacuum adjacent to a pressurized system WITHIN A CONTAINER,
No, it is not possible to have that naturally.

>he creates pressurized systems next to vacuums with lasers in his lab on a daily basis.
Nobody is firing lasers into Earth's atmosphere to make a vacuum in your dome you stupid little flerf.
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>>33924578
>We have empirical evidence that a pressurized atmos can exist next to a vacuum within a container
LOL with lasers. So let's add that to the list of flerf magic:
>muh dome
>muh personal domes
>muh personal supersonic jet streams that no one can feel
>my aether that is constant for measuring light speed, slowing by 100x for MM, and rotating unnaturally for RLGs
>MUH LASERS THAT MAKE THE DOME VACUUM POSSIBLE
LMFAO does Santa Clause fire those lasers? I want a direct answer from you flerf: who is firing the lasers?

>You have never provided an answer to the inherent contradiction in your model and you never will.
Speaking of model contradictions, fe cannot explain
>two celestial poles
>sun/moon rise/set
>constant sun/moon transit speed
>observed southern hemisphere distances
>24hr daylight/night in antarctica at different times of the year
>gps
>why there is any limit on line of sight
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>>33924606
Again, you are a liar.

FLERFERS LIE

Take a close look at the attached pic. Flerfers often post it as proof the Earth is flat. Why do I want you to look at it? Because it's a lie.

"The Australian Black Swan" tells you that the maximum line of sight for a 5.5ft tall observer is 2.35 miles. But the cliff is 7.8 miles away. So what's wrong with this flat Earth "proof"? *** Line of sight depends on both observer and target height, as well as on atmospheric refraction. *** The lighthouse is at least 100ft tall which means the visible cliff is at least 400ft tall. LoS for a 5.5ft observer of a 500ft (combined height) target is 35 miles.

What about the oil platforms? Ocean oil platforms have an "air gap" between the ocean and the first deck of 40-60 feet. Observer height was listed as 1ft (camera on the ground?). With a 40ft first deck the line of sight is 10 miles. With a 60ft first deck it's 12 miles. With a 5ft observer and a 60ft first deck it would be 14 miles.

At 6.21 and 9.41 miles you would still see the entire structure above the first deck even if the first deck was only 40ft off the ocean and the camera really was on the ground at 1ft. For the closer platform you would see some structure below the first deck. Note that we see more of the closer rig, proving curvature.

Here's a line of sight calculator: http://www.calculatoredge.com/electronics/lineofsight.htm

>but we're talkin' about muh horizon
>MUH HORIZON IS TOO FAR AWAY!
No it's not. It's between the observer and target in both photos. That's why the observer cannot see the very bottom of the target.
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>>33925668
>lol your the same shill faggot that use to try and pass off that video of someone using liquid butane to see over obstruction and now you dont post that video any more bc you got BTFO so hard on it in so many threads XD and now you've changed your tune to
>>n-n-nnnno i never wanted to provide you with an example to begin with...
>>y-y-y-yyyyoure just a big stupid head whose not playing fair
What a fucking liar you are. Here's the butane video:
https://youtu.be/5lmmzvzz_Xs

Here's a video using an iron and a laser pointer:
https://youtu.be/3o3D3RNBDPE

Simple videos demonstrating the simple fact of atmospheric refraction. They were never blown out because you can't blow out such easily tested and demonstrated scientific facts. Lies need hours and hours of bullshit, which is what you provide in your pastebin video list. The truth is generally simple and needs minutes.

>>refraction allows objects hidden behind physical obstruction (Earth curvature) to arch up and over the physical obstruction and back into view
picrel

>and when i ask you to provide even a single example of this happening
Countless examples have been provided to you my schizo little flerf. You just refuse to educate yourself.
https://youtu.be/zarxpu43-ls

BTW, any anon who wants to search 4plebs for these URLs will see that you have been answered many, many times. Your #1 problem in life is that you are a wanton, unrepentant liar.
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Flat Earthers lie. Always.
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Flat Earthers always lie.
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Thread reminder that quotespam flerf has no answer for this. All he can do is lie and claim the lens was 'muh fisheye' which is why I had to add so many links into the same video in this copypasta, to make the lens testing clear.

THE AMATEUR ROCKET KILLS THE DISK

Amateur builds a rocket that reaches 293,488 feet.
https://youtu.be/4QsEPEhq5yk

GoPro testing demonstrating unacceptable distortion:
https://youtu.be/4QsEPEhq5yk?t=100

GoPro modified with a rectilinear lens:
https://youtu.be/4QsEPEhq5yk?t=113

Testing showing no distortion with the new rectilinear lens:
https://youtu.be/4QsEPEhq5yk?t=118

Just prior to launch, note there's no distortion on the camera. WATCH THE WHOLE RIDE TO APOGEE TO SEE CURVATURE REPEATEDLY:
https://youtu.be/4QsEPEhq5yk?t=344

Apogee:
https://youtu.be/4QsEPEhq5yk?t=501

This kills flat Earth dead.
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Flat Earth Physicist Misquotes

Stephen Hawking literally did a TV show where he taught people how to discover/prove Earth's shape and motion. Hawking was a genius who understood modern physics, relativity, and the actual opinions of the world's great physicists better than any flat Earther could ever hope to. And yet he saw no contradiction between any of the writings being (mis)quoted and quoted out of context by flatties and his own statements in his own TV show.

https://ca.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/hawking_genius_ep06_full/where-are-we-full-episode-genius-by-stephen-hawking/

1:47 "Fortunately, we humans know everything, from the SHAPE OF THE EARTH to ITS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE."

34:21 "For me, it's one of the most striking demonstrations in the history of science."

35:00 "Foucault set a pendulum moving in front of a crowd for a day. And what they saw was astonishing. Over the course of the day, the pendulum's direction of swing would move, a bit like the hands of a clock. What was the source of this rotation?"

36:34 "So, what you see depends on where you are. And it's just the same with the pendulum in the museum."

37:09 "With his pendulum, Foucault convinced the world that Copernicus and Galileo were right. AND ANYONE CAN SEE THE EARTH TURNING WITH THEIR OWN EYES."

37:53 - "Our volunteers had discovered how WE ARE JUST ONE OF MANY SPINNING BALLS ORBITING OUR SUN IN A PLANETARY COMMUNITY CALLED A SOLAR SYSTEM."
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List of videos exposing flat Earth as nothing more than a con job.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm3n3jLheJ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IixRSYpw8zM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqkB3RWlo6E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtVu9lVDFvA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1qR-iTHO1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjYc8h3xt-E&t=3s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lho7-zJ7TkQ&list=PL7nN2aF_iAEd2__xVXd3sLv7QrkU721u6&index=19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyD8VIK032o&list=PL7nN2aF_iAEd2__xVXd3sLv7QrkU721u6&index=10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQdyb2L84_I&list=PL7nN2aF_iAEd2__xVXd3sLv7QrkU721u6&index=4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIhv8dMZWeI&list=PL7nN2aF_iAEd2__xVXd3sLv7QrkU721u6&index=8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA_G5Duo_lw&list=PL7nN2aF_iAEd2__xVXd3sLv7QrkU721u6&index=6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyBHwIXK0aU&list=PL7nN2aF_iAEd2__xVXd3sLv7QrkU721u6&index=12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGIMrMTypLE&list=PL7nN2aF_iAEd2__xVXd3sLv7QrkU721u6&index=15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVWiJgh5nzI&list=PL7nN2aF_iAEd2__xVXd3sLv7QrkU721u6&index=25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bHqBy92iGM&list=PL7nN2aF_iAEd2__xVXd3sLv7QrkU721u6&index=28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDy95_eNPzM&list=PL7nN2aF_iAEd2__xVXd3sLv7QrkU721u6&index=11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtUSEC7GQho&list=PL7nN2aF_iAEd2__xVXd3sLv7QrkU721u6&index=35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD7jN2hkTdY&list=PL7nN2aF_iAEd2__xVXd3sLv7QrkU721u6&index=18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JarY454Ai8s&list=PL7nN2aF_iAEd2__xVXd3sLv7QrkU721u6&index=20
ttps://youtu.be/65nosFGJ1lo
https://youtu.be/l64YwNl1wr0
https://youtu.be/MtRzy2TJAOQ
https://youtu.be/0H7NLiaeIWQ
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DAILY REMINDER - GPS absolutely proves globe Earth, rotating Earth, space, orbiting satellites, time dilation (relativity), and gravity.

Flerfers will point to LORAN and claim that GPS could work off of transmitters sitting on the ground, on balloons, or on airplanes. But it cannot.

Why? I'm glad you asked.

In tracking mode GPS receivers use Doppler signal analysis to determine receiver velocity. It is impossible for a transmitter to fake Doppler signal shift to multiple receivers across 360°. If the transmitter was lying about its speed, then the receiver would think that it was moving at high mach based on the incorrect Doppler shift in the signal. And since GPS is computed in 3D space from four satellite signals, if the satellites were lying about their positions (altitudes) the resulting location and altitude on the receiver would be off by thousands of miles.

This means that GPS satellites are provably at orbital altitudes and speeds, because GPS could not function at all if the satellites were lying. And if the satellites aren't lying, then space is real. Orbits are real. But the dome is not real. Not unless the satellites punched through it.

What about Earth's shape? GPS receivers use a spherical model of Earth. If Earth was really flat, then receivers would report altitudes literally thousands of miles off. This means Earth really is a sphere.

Furthermore, both Earth's rotation and time dilation must be accounted for in GPS. If either one was not true then, once again, receivers would give obviously false and useless results. That means Earth really is rotating. And time dilation is real. And if both orbits and time dilation are real, that pretty much guarantees that gravity is real.

No single instrument completely shatters all of flat Earth mythology quite like the GPS constellation. It really is a beautiful thing.
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lol, flat earth posting got another one, huh?
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kek! you got nothin', stay shook and keep up the sockpuppetting act if it helps ease the pain of being humiliated every thread the box gets brought up in. you look stupid and you know it. poor guy, evertime you get REKT you have a complete meltdown and overcompesnate for your crsuhed ego by spamming your stale pasta lol

>>33926236
>just believe what wikipedia tells you to beleive guyz!
lol k.

>And yet geocentrism can't produce software to predict the positions of the heavenly bodies. Odd, don't you think?
yawn. keep up the obvious lies, your just soiling your own credibility, not that you had much if any to begin with

>muh spped of light
>muh mm
>muh rlgs
already addressed in this very thread, in the pastebin and in the archives

>>33926263
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>>33926380
..and here's the full blown stale pasta meltdown, right on time XD
nothing seems to rustle this globeshill's jimmies up quite like a good box beatdown lol
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>>33926397
Like clockwork you can’t refute a single point. You don’t even try any more. You just lie and claim something has been refuted before, with no link of course, because it never has.
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>>33926371
this is all wrong. GPS is closed source. special relativity didn't work with GPS. you need to look up Ron Hatch who had to cook in a patch equation which is the reason why GPS is closed source. He's the guy who had to come in and nigrig GPS to work with Einstein's broke assbackwards special relativity. people claiming GPS proves relativity have it exactly opposite as it actually disproves relativity. Some of his lectures can be found on youtube and I would recommend getting his books if you can afford them but they are expensive.
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flat earth is a perfectly reasonable theory

think about this

the gnostic blood that dwells in the vatican needs children's blood to sustain itself

they can send their evil radiowaves all around the globe e.g. the vatican is also connected to the churches in south america

HAARP has been deployed to shill atomic satan everywhere

How is that possible if the earth is not flat? If the earth were a sphere it would block the connections as they have to either go underground or curve above earth, that's just ridiculous

Also pilots don't have to adjust their board computers mid flight, it's all assumed 2d

deal with it nazi
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>>33919621
pls explain me why would the NASA or whoever lie about the earths shape? What do they gain? A lousy budget? Sexual satisfaction? What?
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Wandering stars are stars. There is only one PLANEt: the earth.
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Even mainstream science communicators like Bill Nye push the idea that the model should make people feel insignificant:
https://youtu.be/_jyLGoVtd5s

They want you to feel that way. Nihilism is intentionally built into the model. It is quite literally the primary purpose of the heliocentric deception - to hide God, promote nihilism so that the masses focus on materialism, become selfish and easy to control:

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/32124036/#32124054

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/32124036/#32125796

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/32124036/#32125775

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/32257458/#32267645

Flat earth earth shows you the truth - that you are literally at the center of all creation. Your life and the decisions you make are infinitely meaningful and important. this world was created for (you). The truth is that curvature has never been measured and motion has literally never been detected. All observations and measurements prove a flat, stationary plane of existence.

Here’s a good place to start if you're new to flat earth:

https://pastebin.com/MwaRqfMM

http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33190178/#33193593

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/31631519/#31631533

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33120118/#33120140

http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33118234/#33118829

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33062450/#33076559

Use the 4plebs search function to find previous discussions, threads and content on flat earth related topics that you’re interested in. Be aware the Jewtube and Jewgle are hiding legit flat earth info with their algorithms. Also, “The Flat Earth Society” is a Masonic disinfo campaign. keep this in mind while conducting your research - there is A LOT of misinfo and disinfo out there on this topic! Most importantly, go perform the curvature test for yourself so you can independently falsify the geometric horizon necessitated by a ball earth with a radius of 3959 miles
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>>33926454
are you gonna be okay buddy? that was quite the little fit you threw there big guy. just try taking deep breaths and counting backwards from 10..
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>>33926526
Appeal to motive fallacy
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>>33926371
this guy does a very thorough debunk of satellites and gps:
https://youtu.be/5PuNTOUEoFU
never thought about it until watching that video but the claim that satellites are whizzing around earth going 18,000mph and being able to use a trilateration mesh network to pinpoint movements of 6inches is so fucking stupid and unbelievable its amazing more people arent questioning this. he raises some really good points. highly recommend his channel.
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>>33922473
It's even in their cosmology per the Talmud so It's a win-win for them and that's the reason why we see it pushed with such fanatical zeal.
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>>33926263
>muh escape velocity
>aka reification fallacy
>aka presupposing the effects of gravity that were just easily disproven with a simple little thought experiment about a box
>aka begging the question
Gravity’s effect is supposedly that it prevents the pressurized atmosphere from shooting off into space

The box experiment shows that gravity’s effect does not exist, because there is no altitude in which you can perform the box experiment and not expect the pressurized air to move into the vacuum upon opening the lid

You cannot invoke “escape velocity” or any other effect to explain this away, as gravity’s effect has already been falsified via the box experiment and therefor “muh escape velocity” is falsified as well

If you think gravity can prevent pressurized air from going into a vacuum, then you will need to specify where this happens and why it happens in spite of the 2nd law of thermodynamics

i already addressed the rest of your post in these
>>33924572
>>33924578
>We have empirical evidence that a pressurized atmos can exist next to a vacuum within a container - therefor, objectively, the flat earth model does not violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics, and the globe model does.

>there is also a measurable equipotential increase of 100 volts per meter as you increase altitude from the surface of earth which correlates with the decreasing pressure gradient. as the resting potential increases, the pressure decreases. The ONLY way to get a measurable increase resting charge potential of 100 volts per meter is if there is a Gaussian surface above us as well. You cannot produce one single example of an equincreasing electric potential without the use of 2 Gaussian surfaces. This is yet another proof of the existence of the firmament.
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>>33925359
>Because my Bullshit runs into resistance, it means it is correct because I declare anyone who opposes my psy-op a shill!

Wear the Tin-foil hat Fucktard.
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>>33924492
>There’s no way possible for the upper layers of the atmosphere be spinning FASTER than the lower layers.
this really just sounds like someone doesn't understand how the outside of a record can be 'spinning faster' than the inside.
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>>33920106
It is embarrassing how other countries have these great education systems but Americans are left so far behind that they start believing the Earth is flat even though we can prove it is round beyond a shadow of a doubt. This is a combination of stupidity and being vocal about it which is uniquely American. I just feel sad for you guys, honestly.
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>>33925881
The original was to on point so you Double-Kikes made your own versions.
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>>33920106
>dont fall for religion
>so-and-so is demonic

You are a walking oxymoron. Im not a religious guy but no one should be taking advice from you lol.
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>>33920106
Oh antarctica is 150000 times the size of the north pole evidently.....you fucking retard.
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>>33926549
Stale copy-pasta again and I get the feeling this thread was made because you lost your shit over this one showing conclusively that you're in with NASA on covering this up:

https://boards.4channel.org/x/thread/33901686#top
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Nag Hammadi
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>>33925346
They are all shill you idiot lol
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>>33920545
Democracy is a meme
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>>33926294
you can clearly see the horizon is behind the oil rigs. also see:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33190178/#33206642

>>33926327
>muh wave
wow thats a nice picture of a wave you have there blocking the oil rigs from view. thanks for sharing. not sure how its relevant tho.

>muh liquid butane
thats funny, i never noticed that our atmosphere is composed of liquid butane. oh wait, its not, and youre an intentionally deceptive moron.

>muh iron bent the light
thats not due soleley to atmospheric refraction either.
Heating metal causes electron emission for example. And what do photons interact with? Electrons. So it would be nice to see an example of refraction in the air that wasn't extremely close to a surface.

I have yet to see any example of refraction through air that doesn't take place in close proximity to a solid surface where diffraction might also explain the displacement.

If refraction is taking place, then the laser beam should bend according to the angle at which it strikes the pocket of hot air. You should be able to demonstrate that the refraction follows the formula used to calculate the change in the incident rays if this is to be taken as evidence that refraction is the cause of the displacement.

Why do you think "light bends toward cold air"?

Can you show any scientific publications that support that statement?

Light is said to bend in the atmosphere due to the air density layers that envelope the spherical earth. The surfaces of these layers are thought to be parallel to the earth's surface. Thus light would tend to bend toward the normal when moving from one point on the surface following a tangent line. But it doesn't follow that "light bends toward cold air". That extrapolation indicates a complete misunderstanding of the mechanics of refraction.

also screeching that im a liar just makes you look stupid when i keep proving that youre the one being intentionally deceptive time and time again.
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>>33926747
>cant into fluid dynamics
the record is single solid object. the air is a gas and not attached to earth which is a solid object. see: >>33924519
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>>33926729
Imagine that Squidward is the globe model https://youtu.be/Y7rw9gqfZow
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>>33926827
where did all that gas come from?
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>>33921046
>muh radio waves
radio waves disprove the globe:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33186246/#33190140
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/32968699/#32973770

you regularly get BTFO trying to use the optical and radio arguments:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/409887775/#409911898
but no matter how many times youre shown your errors you always seem to conveniently develop amnesia and come back with the same fallacious arguments no matter how many times you get your ass handed to you lol
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>>33921046
>Antarctica has 24 hours of daylight for months out of the year
>picrel
no, gifrel
the dome refracts the light when the sun is circling in the south it cause a distortions that light antartica constantly.

>southern hemisphere flight paths
from the pastebin:
https://pastebin.com/MwaRqfMM
*******FLIGHT ROUTES*******:
https://youtu.be/uV5xU4EuGhg
https://youtu.be/kajiKy06bu0
https://youtu.be/A0FuO8lQV18
https://youtu.be/NLD8g-7okww
https://youtu.be/GpgnHaXfqV0

Southern flight routes offer far stronger evidence against the globe than for it.
>southern flight times going West to East are 3 hours difference from flight times going East to West, yet the recorded speed of the planes is exactly the same; meaning the jet streams are 100% confirmed to be a major factor transit times
>Passenger airPlanes have the capability to go 800mph+ This is an objective fact. Not even debatable.
>jet streams add 250+mph in the south
> Almost all Southern Hemisphere departure to Southern Hemisphere arrival flights cross the equator into the north and then back south again before reaching their destinations on the globe map. No northern hemisphere departure to northern hemisphere arrival flights cross the equator into the south and back.
>north/south Meridian flights debunk the globe. They would be impossible. The rotational speed of the earth is said to be only about 250mph in Alaska, but it is 1040 mph at the equator. Just think about it for 2 seconds. Really think about what would happen to the ground beneath the plane as it moved south along a meridian route from a northern location past the equator to a southern location flying the meridian route. If you still don’t see any issue after thinking about it for longer than 2 seconds, and if you also don’t want to watch the informative video about flight routes linked above, then just forget about flat earth. It’s not for you.
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>>33926938
>southern flight times going West to East are 3 hours difference from flight times going East to West,
can you prove this, and is it always the same every time?
>yet the recorded speed of the planes is exactly the same;
what do you mean? ground speed, air speed, what?
>jet streams are 100% confirmed to be a major factor transit times
sure they can be, nobody disputes that.
>Passenger airPlanes have the capability to go 800mph
prove that, because that would mean they are all braking the sound barrier all the time, which is kind of obvious.
> Almost all
but not all, and thats the point.
> No northern hemisphere departure to northern hemisphere arrival flights cross the equator into the south and back.
there might be a couple routes do that but ill have to check. can you think of any reason not to do with the earth being flat for why routes favor the northern hemisphere?
> think about what would happen to the ground beneath the plane as it moved south along a meridian route
yes, the path of the aircraft appears to deflect to side or anoother BUT it's so gradual that the adjustments are contained within the normal corrections due to local wind conditions.

http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=How+Airplanes+correct+for+the+Coriolis+Effect#H_Airplanes_do_Correct_for_Coriolis_Forces
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>>33926938
Here;s what you should do (ive done it btw); calculate the distance between the two locations you're talking about in the southern hemisphere. Its probably an airport in south africa/south america and australia, since those are the main routes which get discussed like this. Then figure out how long it would take the airplane to go from one to the other. compare that to the stated flight times for those routes. How fast would the planes have to going to do that? even if they can 800mph all the time, or even more than that all the time, the times don't work for those distances.
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>>33921046
addressed most of these months ago already here:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33186246/#33190358
>gps
>you cannot fake doppler
lol i'd say youre retarded but the truth is youre almost certainly a literal paid shill posting your same stale pasta here daily and have been for months on end every single day if not multiple times daily.
see:
>>33926702
>>33926492

>southern hemisphere stars rotate around a southern pole
see:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33317501/#33338474

>seasons
>eclipses
>day/night
>sunrise/sunset
>moonrise/moonse
rapidfiring baby's first flat earth questions is a tried and true shilltactic just like spamming stale intentionally fallacious pasta in every single FE thread without exception. all of those topics are addressed in the pastebin
https://pastebin.com/MwaRqfMM
and in countless threads in the 4plebs archive

>>33926753
>doesnt know what the word religion means
>acts smug
keep making yourself look stupid lol
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>>33919621
from my psy-op folder. participating in epic flat bread.
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>>33921036
>if I sail or fly in a straight line from Australia from an initial bearing of East
if youre going east the entire time thats not a stragiht line on a flat earth map or a globe
Educate yourself:
(timestamped at 1:56:00)
https://youtu.be/BvQ4TQYtkIU?t=6960

east/west are not straight lines on either the globe or the flat earth.. if you wanted to maintain an east/west direction you would need to constantly keep adjusting towards north/south depending on which side of the equator you are on.
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>>33923593
https://youtu.be/Gm4jzezgCcE
rlgs have been discussed ad nauseam in countelss threads already. search the 4plebs archives for previous discussions also see: >>33924401
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>>33926889
the /pol/ screeching you linked was some dude going all "uhhh idk how EM radiation works so you're wrong I'm right"
take your meds
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Literally just go in any direction and find the icewall and proof flat earth once and for all.
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>>33922392
>>33926977
>>33927000
watch the videos in this post >>33926938
if you dont want to watch them fine, dont, like i gaf. im not typing out a transcript for you lazy fucks
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>>33926352
see:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/32932136/#32939951
also, angle of the camera is a factor as is rayleigh scattering. there could be additional explanations as well for the specific vids you posted. i havent those vids you posted and dont have time to watch them rn. maybe if this thread is still up tomorrow ill take a look
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>>33927067
i want to talk to someone who understands the issue, not listen to 10 hours of stuff which, in my experience of doing as flat earthers asked of me in the past, will have little or nothing to do with the points under discussion.

If you dont want to discuss anything then fine don't, like i gaf if you can't defend your own claims.
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>>33926359
>muh appeal to authority
educate yourself on the difference between a "hostile witness" and an "appeal to authority":
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33311752/#33316918
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33830188/#33843373
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>>33927116
>i want to talk to someone
awwww is the globeshill lonely bc hes a loser that nobody will interact with boo hoo get a life and stop being a shit person.
nobody wants to talk to you, youre a liteal paid shill here to spread disinfo and deceive others. im posting for the lurkers not to interact with you. youre disgusting and pathetic
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>>33927142
>flerf posts up lies
>doesn't want to discuss them
>waaah you're lonely fuck you blah blah
that's an interesting new cope
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>>33927142
>im posting for the lurkers not to interact with you
that's good because you're doing a wonderful job of showing them all how weak your points are, and i especially like that bit how you only want people to watch your youtube videos instead of talk about the points you raised earlier.
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It's flat earth fact you stupid fuck. It's a matter of perspective. Ice wall. Its flat like a penny is round motherfucker.
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>>33921046
>Antarctica has 24 hours of daylight for months out of the year

You’ve been to Antarctica yourself to verify this? Impressive
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I can shine a lazer from here to antarctica, you piece of shit.
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>>33925306
thanks for the words of encouragement my man. its certainly draining at times ngl. i havent been posting here much in the past few months so i figured i should probably hit all the shill's pastas for anynew lurkers to that are only seeing 90% globeshill posts in these threads. im calling it a night for now. ill check back in on the thread tomorrow if its still up. take care fren
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>>33927218
Good night. You're amazing!
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>>33927142
>awwww is the globeshill lonely bc hes a loser that nobody will interact with boo hoo get a life and stop being a shit person.
This style of rhetoric only serves to make you look sophomoric.
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>>33927218
I can't even true lurker can't see what is going on.
Globeshill helped me a lot in my journey. They are glowing like hell.
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>>33927233
>I can't even true lurker can't see what is going on.
Wtf kek
*I can't even imagine true lurker can't see what is going on.
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You are fucking insane
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>>33927223
>>33927233
>Let me propagate a psy-op that infiltrates and poisons the well of genuine research and was calculated in It's timing to negatively influence sincere warnings around the dangers of Covid injections and other important topics of discourse! Why you mad? LOL! Shill!

Classic Gaslighting and your actions are utterly soulless, there are no depths to which you will not sink but that is why you hold up Flat-Earth as a bamboozling defense. You use to commit and make yourselves a party to every societal ill and act of psychological abuse and exploitation that you can possibly indulge in. Damn right we are furious at you. When it comes out that you played a role in getting people hurt by the covid injections, don't be surprised when you get ripped apart by mobs.
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>>33927344
>Let me present you a pixelated patchwork meme with the exact fallacy denounced in it
Let me resume:
>Flerfs are trolls
>Flerfs are stupid
>Globies are smarts
Mkay so why they may take the clot bcs of stupid troll flerfs then?
You played yourself in two different way, this is awesome lost of dubs.
>"Oh, there is flefers, the clotshoot must be good!"
This is seriously an argument?
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>>33927344

Lets go to a more informative video:

https://youtu.be/VHGXer-6CkQ?t=50
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>>33927412
>Assumes that I took any of the injections and all but gloats.

Duping delight. We really need to start curbing you. Especially if we see you trying to spread your shit into the minds of future generations.
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>>33927429
> Damn right we are furious at you.
That mean it working
>We really need to start curbing you.
Yeah, hate is a really good fuel for your soul.
>Especially if we see you trying to spread your shit into the minds of future generations.
Sry for spreading the truth. The globe lie is dying everyday a little more.
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>>33927533
You effectively sold your soul so that you fill It's void with the passive-aggressive hate that we see you acting on and expressing here is fitting. Intellectual Sodomite.
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Man, look at the flat earthers kicking up a cloud of bullshit when faced with the threat of discussing their claims lol. See how they spewed out all this distraction and insult after these >>33926977, >>33927000
and then this
>>33927116

such an obvious ploy. you don't see honest people doing things like that.
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>>33919621
its amazing how much more elaborate the shilling is in flat earth threads.

They really dont want people realizing there is a god.
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>>33927429
Look all globe Earthers are pedophiles
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>>33920106
Okay. Lets say I buy into it. The Earth is flat and we have been lied to. What are the implications of that? What's the point of that story?
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>>33927696
Appeal to motive fallacy #2
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>>33920106
Schizophrenia
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>>33927560
Flat-Brains work for NASA to keep what they want hidden held in perpetual uncertainty and to drive people away from considering it seriously. Everything about Flat-earth enforces ignorance, no matter how times you put on a front of it being the path to heightened awareness.

>>33926768
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Flat earthers literally can't defend their claims. Look at the shitstorm since i pushed back against your flight path crap.
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>>33925937
>refraction isn't real except when I need magic
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you know how you can tell the earth is not flat ?
because the church used to kill people for saying it was round
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>>33927765
i don't think this is an effective response. it wasn't a fallacy, it was a question. and a question worth answering, i think.
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I posit to all of you that whether the world is flat or round is a pointless discussion, what will knowing the actual shape of the thing do for us? Do we suddenly gain the power to leave this fucking prison?
Instead, the actual psyop is the discussion itself, arguing about this unimportant shit is a time-wasting distraction.
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>>33928304
Your post is worthless and Earth is pfovably flat. Stay mad.
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>>33928364
Never said otherwise.
You're a prime example of someone either pushing or falling for a psyop, we have no means to actually know what the world looks like from the outside nor any use for that information, hence you're just wasting everyone's time.
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>>33919621
https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/universe-flat/
Apparently the universe is flat, but FE'ers are retards. Lol
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We really are devolving
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>>33927061
now try imagining wrapping this mesh around a sphere or better an ellipsoid and see if the white region meets and ends at a single point, i am not taking any sides but i kinda think it might be sphere but who knows but i do know that this comment is kinda stupid
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>>33928391
Nice try at gaslighting. I still know the Earth is flat. Stay mad glowfag.
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>>33926492
>this is all wrong. GPS is closed source.
https://gnss-sdr.org
https://www.google.com/search?q=gps+foss

>special relativity didn't work with GPS.
https://web.archive.org/web/20061011161632/https://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptti/1996/Vol%2028_16.pdf

>you need to look up Ron Hatch who had to cook in a patch equation which is the reason why GPS is closed source.
With just 1 minute on Google you could have found gnss-sdr, among other projects, and disproven this conspiracy nonsense. In about 10 minutes using Wikipedia's citations you could have proven that special and general relativity apply to GPS and have to be corrected for. Browsing through the citations on Wikipedia and papers like the one linked above, any person competent with SDRs and programming could write their own program for "muh closed source" GPS.

STOP lying
STOP watching con men on YouTube
STOP believing any bullshit you hear that fits your preconceived notions and desires
STOP being ignorant
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>>33928259
>i don't think this is an effective response
its effective according to his purpose, which is to shit up the thread and distract from having to defend his several flat earth claims
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>>33926729
>The box experiment shows that gravity’s effect does not exist, because there is no altitude in which you can perform the box experiment and not expect the pressurized air to move into the vacuum upon opening the lid
The last time you sperg'd about 'muh box experiment' you were corrected by multiple anons. It was explained to you...in terms so simple a child could understand...that if your vacuum room was so tall it extended to the edge of Earth's atmosphere, the air would go no higher than Earth's atmosphere. In fact, it wouldn't go nearly as high, as it would not be under anywhere near as much pressure (i.e. could not rest on lower layers of air).

>hurr muh lazers create a vacuum at the top of the dome
This might be the dumbest of your many dumb copes. Oh, and let me take a moment to point out the FUCKING IRONY that you argue a natural vacuum at the top of your gravity-free-dome is no issue because 'muh lazer experiment', but you completely ignore that a force can hold a gas in place:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_confinement_fusion

The pic is simply to remind you that globe Earth is not a claim, belief, or theory. It is an observation.
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>>33926747
He has the sample problem with his 'rotating aether' theory. If a rotating aether was responsible for RLG readings, then those readings would not be 15°/hour across latitudes.

>>33926812
>"IT'S JUST MUH WAVE!"
>posts picture proving it's curvature
The apparent height of the platforms above the water, and relative to each other, varies day to day, but the rear platform is always lower than the front. MUH WAVE cannot do this. So either oil platforms bob up and down in the water, sometimes sinking their lower decks below it, and by luck no one has ever photographed these two where the rear one was higher. Or atmospheric refraction varies in strength day to day.

>thats not due soleley to atmospheric refraction either.
>Heating metal causes electron emission for example.
>IRONS ARE REALLY TASERS AND THE LIGHT RUNS FROM THE ELECTRICITY
Everything must bend to flat Earth in your mind. FE is literally your god. Your worship it. You attack anything that threatens it. You ignore or twist any and every fact which contradicts it. You have no experiments, no models, no testable predictions. Just your worship of a false idol.

>I have yet to see any example of refraction through air that doesn't take place in close proximity to a solid surface where diffraction
You do not understand diffraction at all. It's just another desperate cope to protect your false, flat god.

>nooooo! i want a more detailed experiment! i want formula predictions! i want more proof!
From the same person who refuses to provide ANY proof of fe.

>Why do you think "light bends toward cold air"?
>Can you show any scientific publications that support that statement?
You've been given YouTube and Wikipedia links a hundred times, including in this thread. Anyone can search 4plebs and see you engaging in the same kike pilpul every time. It's always fucking ground hog day with you. You just act as if past conversations never happened. picrel
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>>33926938
>muh magic dome pipes light around antarctica for half the year
>then magically BLOCKS light to antarctica for the other half.
Show us how that works with a mathematical model. Here, start with this one.
https://www.geogebra.org/m/C9BcVgd4

>nooooo muh videos explain flight paths
>muh supersonic jet streams that no one can feel or detect
>that also affect shipping lanes
>and cars in australia
LMFAO

>>southern flight times going West to East are 3 hours difference from flight times going East to West
Sydney-Santiago varies by about an hour, not 3.

>meaning the jet streams are 100% confirmed to be a major factor transit times
On FE Sydney-Santiago should take twice as long, not 1 hour longer.

>>Passenger airPlanes have the capability to go 800mph+ This is an objective fact. Not even debatable.
They would have to go 1,600 mph to account for the difference. And 'muh jet streams' would not affect shipping lanes or cars in Australia. Anyone with an odometer in Australia can tell you that you are full of shit, and a stupid man.

>>north/south Meridian flights debunk the globe. They would be impossible. The rotational speed of the earth is said to be only about 250mph in Alaska, but it is 1040 mph at the equator. Just think about it for 2 seconds.
Small children can understand inertia, but flerfs cannot. Fascinating.
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>>33926889
DAILY REMINDER
>take two radios
>hand one to a friend
>drive to a flat area with no tall obstructions in two cars
>choose a no-bounce frequency
>drive away from each other until you can no longer connect
>mark the locations on a map
>switch to a taller roof mount antenna
>"oh hai i hear you now"
>drive away from each other until you can no longer connect
>mark the locations on a map
>break out an even taller antenna
>"oh hai i hear you now"
>compare to LoS calculations
>"it's a globe!!!"
flattie copes
>hurr it's inverse square
Try increasing transmit power, it won't work.
>hurr it's atmospheric attenuation
Try increasing transmit power, it won't work.
>marconi!
Ionosphere bounce
>REEEEE THERE IS NO IONOSPHERE HE PROVED FLAT EARTH
You can tell if a signal is coming straight at you or bouncing off the ionosphere using a directional antenna.
>MUH HUMPBACK WHALE CALLS!
Whales are miles above the ocean floor, and sound bounces very easily off ocean thermal layers.
>REEEEEEEEEE
Meds
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>>33927048
There is no discussion with you. You just lie, twist, hand wave, and repeat yourself until it's obvious even to you how stupid your copes are, at which point you jump to another topic.

>>33927103
>lens proven rectilinear and free of significant distortions in video
>MUH FISHEYE!!!
You are pathetic.

>rectilinear lenses become fish eyes at an angle
lol
>rayleigh scattering makes things look curved
lmfao
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>>33927121
>nooooo you can't quote a physicist
>only i can do that!
>why?
>pilpul intensifies
Reminder that every talmud jew believes that they are a lawyer cross examining everyone else, even the almighty God. They fancy themselves on a galactic stage proving to all creation and the creator himself how clever they are. It's woven into every aspect of the talmud. They really do believe in word magic and pilpul.

>>33927158
LMFAO flerf can't answer any questions, he just wants you to go away.

>>33927189
>flat earth standard of proof: "just watch a talking head in his living room"
>standard of proof flat earthers demand of others: YOU'VE BEEN THERE WITH A THOUSAND WITNESSES AND MULTIPLE VIDEOS AND MEASUREMENTS AND VERIFICATION AND I STILL DON'T BELIEVE YOU

picrel is a reminder that we observe globe Earth.
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>>33922375
>>33926733
If you search the archives for any of the globeshill pastas itt you’ll see he/they/them/xir posts variations of these same pastas every single day in every FE thread made here in the past few months without missing even one. Nobody who actually thought flat earth was as stupid as he claims to think it is would be so emotionally invested to dedicate this amount of time and effort to shitting up every flat earth thread with dozens of antiflat earth copypastas unless they had some kind of ulterior motives such as monetary compensation for the countless hours he dedicates to patrolling this board for FE threads and going around in circles playing Groundhog Day with his “arguments”. Antiflatearth content creators are heavily pushed on the search engines by jewtube and google’s algorithms, and their channels are monetized and they can make easy money and quickly acquire thousands of subs and views in a very short time period, it’s VERY lucrative to be an antiflat earth content creator, but nobody is able to make any money by spending such massive amounts of time shilling antiflatearth propaganda on this board, so the time he invests on this board doesn’t make any sense unless he’s a literal shill being paid for his time somehow.

I honestly use to think this guy was just a complete loser who had an obsession with arguing against FE bc maybe a flat earther fucked his wife or beat his ass or something, but then I noticed that when flat earth threads weren’t being OPd on this board, he suddenly was nowhere to be found for days on end. He’s never once OPd an “antiflat earth” thread, and he goes silent whenever FE threads aren’t around. But the very moment a new Flat earth is created he pops up immediately and will spend literally all day and night posting his same pasta and rehashing the same discussions from the very start as if it he had never been presented with the counterarguments before. This is obvious glowie behavior.
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You will never have a flat Earth. You have no model, you have no math, you have no testable predictions. You have a zoomed in photo twisted by bad line-of-sight calculations and weed into a crude mockery of God's perfection.

All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, and your “friends” laugh at your flattie videos behind closed doors.

Rational people are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of hours of education allow smart people to sniff out pseudo scientific frauds with incredible efficiency. Even flat Earth photos which “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a thinking person. Your unanswerable questions are a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk girl to watch a video with you, she’ll turn tail and bolt the second she realizes you weren't just joking about flat Earth conspiracy theory.

You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake "I know it's true!" every single morning and tell yourself others are going to believe. But deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight caused by the force you deny, Earth's gravity.

Eventually it’ll be too much to bear – you’ll buy a ring laser gyroscope, start your livestream, and plunge into the cold abyss of Internet mockery. Your parents will find you accidentally proving the globe, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They'll copy and upload your video across social media, and every viewer for the rest of eternity will know Earth is a rotating globe. Your flat Earth videos will decay and get deleted from YouTube, and all that will remain of your legacy is a video with an experiment that unmistakably proves the globe.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
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>>33929182
>flat earther admits to posting 18 hours a day across three forums
>a globie gets sick of seeing his shit and decides to push back
>NOOOOO YOU MUST BE A SHILL!!!
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>>33926718
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>>33929178
>LMFAO flerf can't answer any questions, he just wants you to go away.
it was a strange reaction but a new one on me if im honest.
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>>33929216
He based af, anon seeking for truth, helping other.
And not paid for. He even tel other to do there own research.
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>>33929305
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>>33927657
Exactly, NASA is in charge of cleaning the garbage it finds in its agency, the rest of the flat earthers have to expose them, because the flat earthers are going to defend themselves even if they are pedos
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>>33928994
You’ve been BTFO already many times using this exact same blatantly fallacious cope:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33285184/#33293539

>If you honestly believe what you just wrote, then you should be able to provide a specific altitude where you could perform the “pressurized box in a vacuum chamber” experiment and NOT expect the pressurized air to seek equilibrium with the vacuum chamber. If you cannot specify an altitude in which this would happen, then why do you even believe such a place exists?

>What you’re saying amounts to:
>yes, gas molecules can overcome gravity’s effect to escape into a vacuum near the surface where gravity is supposedly strongest
>..but, no gas molecules cannot overcome gravity to escape into a vacuum at a higher altitude where gravity is weaker
>except yes some of them can because many tons of gas does escape into space but most of it doesn’t
>You are literally doublespeaking.

>The 2nd law of thermodynamics applies AT ALL ALTITUDES

The fact that you keep posting your same fallacious responses you’ve been called on months ago even tho you know damn well they're not valid proves you’re a pathetic shill who has no interest in having an honest productive conversation. You’re just here to sow confusion and use deceptive groundhog day tactics to muddy the waters and dissuade people from finding out they’ve been lied to about where they live. What an absolutely disgusting existence you live.

If you honestly want anyone reading to think you’re not a shill then just say:
>”I don’t know the answer to the box paradox”
instead of continuing to keep rehashing the exact same arguments you’ve been BTFO on months ago already. The box paradox has exposed you for the obvious shill you are. Your only chance at redemption in the eyes of any lurker capable of critical thought is to just admit you don’t have an answer. Every a post you make on this subject just further solidifies you as a lying glowie.
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>>33928375
Extremely based.
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>>33929492
Shut up, the earth is not flat, it has been proven and anyone can prove it and understand it, with or without science.

On the other hand, you can't prove anything, with or without science, and you know it, you can't prove anything, you can only fall into constant inconsistencies and contradictions, that's why you resort to getting out of the discussion with your little shit about conspiracy and religion.
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>>33929514
Extremely retarded, if you think so.
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>>33929317
What the fuck is even that? Not even a little ashamed?
I don't even know how to feel about that. Is that a meme? Can you explain how it work? Is this a V2 ?
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>>33929526
Lmao seethe tranny
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>>33929558
This does not apply to reality, and you know it
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>>33929597
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>33929569
The curvature is visible in all the images, otherwise there would be no horizon, lol what an idiot
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>>33929610
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>33929610
I assume you like to be humiliated? Thats why you're here right?
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>>33929604
Do you know that you are basing theories and memes on a completely wrong idea? And do you know that no matter how much you repeat it, you are still wrong?

You only make laugh and hurt those who really understand how wrong you are.
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>>33929610
>otherwise there would be no horizon
Wow do you really except people trusting that argument? You never have art-plastic lessons?
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>>33929621
>MUUH point of disappearance, MUUH I'm right

hahahahahahaha
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>>33929631
Its ok m8. We were all lied to. Flat earthers just value truth more than you
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>>33929636
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>33929627
Lol, same wrong argument again.

How are you not ashamed to repeat the same wrong shit over and over again? You definitely don't understand why your "experiment" bullshit is totally wrong.

No matter how much you repeat it, it will not make it more correct lol
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>>33929659
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>33929655
Retard experiment N2? Lol

the camera is under the table, your father beat you as a baby
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>>33929674
>camera under table

>can see top of table

Do you understand why I laugh at globecucks now?
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>>33929682
Only you and the flat earthers laugh, because they are very stupid.

It is so easy to see the errors of the flerfs
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>>If you honestly believe what you just wrote, then you should be able to provide a specific altitude where you could perform the “pressurized box in a vacuum chamber” experiment and NOT expect the pressurized air to seek equilibrium with the vacuum chamber.
Your little chamber is an artificial vacuum and the molecules will move within it at any altitude. But if you opened your chamber up at the highest altitude where Earth still as some atmosphere, they would NOT escape into space. And if your chamber were closed but a hundred miles tall, the molecules would NEVER "equalize" in the chamber. The bottom would have more pressure, the top none.

This has been explained to you over, and over, and over again. And the pathetic thing is that you demand repeat answers while providing NO answer for the vacuum in the dome. NOBODY is firing lasers at your stupid flat Earth. And it wouldn't work on that scale if they were. You have NO ANSWER for pressure decreasing with altitude to a high vacuum because you deny the only answer for it: gravity.

>>yes, gas molecules can overcome gravity’s effect to escape into a vacuum near the surface where gravity is supposedly strongest
You do not understand vacuums, gases, kinetic energy, or air pressure at all. Multiple anons have tried educating you in multiple ways with multiple examples and analogies. 4plebs is loaded with it. Of all the topics you and I have debated, I think that was the one with the most 3rd party replies to you. You're just too stupid to get it.

>>The 2nd law of thermodynamics applies AT ALL ALTITUDES
SLoT and gravity combine to form what we observe. (That's OBSERVE you dense little flerf.) But you deny gravity which means your fe model (inb4 but we don't have a model!!!) violates SLoT. Face it: the box crushed the dome.

>wall of screeching and reeee'ing
>>33929292
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>>33929702
Idk bro. Everyone besides your shill buddies will easily be able to tell you are an idiot.
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>>33929569
>angle camera looking down at big ball
>WHERE'S MUH CURVE?
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This is too easy, they always use the same wrong arguments, it is no longer fun to debate with them, they just ignore when they are corrected and continue with their folders of copied and pasted images, they have nothing to defend themselves with, they just come to spam to convince themselves of they have won something XD

They have a lot to understand.
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>>33929710
Fixed that for you.
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>>33929604
>water is always le...
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>>33929610
retard alert
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>>33929719
Already debunked.
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>>33929715
In fact, they say the opposite, because I don't believe in fantastic tales or fall into sects for morons, like you the flat earth.
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>>33929621
The difference, retard, is that if Earth was flat you could whip out a telescope and see anything up to a tall obstruction. Which means from a location like the Rockies, you could fucking see the Chicago skyline.

Go do it, flerf. Go photograph Chicago with a high powered telescope from a peak in the Rockies.
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>>33929072
>>33929072
>but the rear platform is always lower than the front.
>no one has ever photographed these two where the rear one was higher.

Everyone itt knows that you didnt just conveniently forget that objects further away get smaller due to perspective. If you look at a line of telephone poles in the distance they appear to get lower and lower even tho they are all the same height and not going over a curve in such a short distance.
If you’re not a literal paid shill then why are you being deceptive and intentionally playing stupid when you know the answer to your own objections?
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>>33929724
>edited the photo to lie for you
Flerfs lie. Always.
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>>33929735
see
>>33929685
Did you see the meme where they show a baketball seen up close and it looks almost curved? a perfect proof that a sphere can look flat. Perspective, educate yourself.

The funniest thing is that this meme is a double-edged sword for flat earthers, and you fall flat believing that you are mocking.
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>>33929736
>nooooo it's just a reflection
lmfao COPE
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>>33929753
See>>33929655
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>>33929765
You guys are cringe.
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>>33929764
Lmao
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>>33929778
>see red herring
Nothing in Chicago is taller than you would be at the top of the Rockies you ignorant little flerf. Your eye level would be ABOVE the tallest skyscraper, not at the bottom of it.

Now go photograph Chicago from the Rockies, prove flat Earth.
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If you believe in flat earth:

You can't explain eclipses
You can't explain the satellites
You can't explain the stars
You can't explain the horizon
You can't explain the waves
You can't explain earthquakes
You can't rotate the planets
You can't explain that everything in the universe is spherical and rotates

It is just a bit of what happened to me, although they try to give a magical explanation to some of these points, they continue to be more absurd and without consistency or unification than the current model
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Watch closely
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>>33929792
>i'll just lie again lmfao
We know flerf. You are of your father the devil, and you desire to do his works. He was a liar and a murderer from the beginning.

The lens used was not a fisheye as the curve never inverts, even when the horizon is placed at the bottom of the viewer.
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>>33929804
Heres your first point refuted.
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>>33929816
Idk bro, the sun isnt usually an oval. I think everyone here can see that your image is distorted
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>>33929808
>grainy bw video
>no source
>no location
>no distance
>no altitude
>HURR THIS PROVE FLAT EARTH
Look closely at picrel. This is documented. This lens was tested. There are no questions about this flight. Look at it. Look closely flerf.

It's curved.
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>>33929818
I refuse to believe you believe that shit, you're definitely a troll, because otherwise you're just a retard denier idiot.

How would anyone in their right mind choose to trust that crap instead of even deigning to learn the real science?
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>>33929828
Oh ok. I see now. Your pic is like mine
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>>33929828
That's a wide angle lens, of course it looks curved.
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>>33929831
>trust
>real science

Nasa is your god
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I don't understand arguing with flat earthers. That's their retarded hill to die on.
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>>33929818
>hurr i refuted your point
Only problem is in THAT model the sun and moon are NEVER out of view. They never dip below any horizon. They are plainly visible to every person all the time as they circle up high in the sky. And no part of Earth is ever dark. It's daylight of one intensity or the other 24/7. Or, and there are no lunar phases, the full moon is always plainly visible.

Other than that, yeah, you really showed him flerf!
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Lol, I went in for a few minutes, and that was long enough to see what kind of people flerfs are.

Selective liars of the information that suits them, as well as liars and idiots, all that, or trolls.

I hope I think they are just trolls, for their own good
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>>33929852
I like you
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>>33929825
>t. doesn't understand lens flare

>>33929834
>hurr i'll repeat the fisheye lie
You are of your father the devil, and you desire to do his works. He was a liar and a murderer from the beginning.

>>33929837
>rectilinear lenses curve things
lmfao
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God I wish all flerfers hanged themselves.
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>>33929776
Again srsly ?
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>>33929860
You'll come around.
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>>33929862
>atmospheric refraction isn't real
>until i need magic
>then we reach levels of refraction that shouldn't be physically possible
I would respect you fucktards more if you claimed the dome was a high resolution curved TV screen so God could fool us. That would be far less stupid then your dumb shit.
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>>33929839
HAHHAHAHAHA here we go again, NASA is a space agency, it is not synonymous with science. Once again being exposed as the conspiracy retards that they are.
Define science, educate yourself
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>>33929882
Lmao
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>>33929875
>NOOO IT'S JUST A REFLECTION
Flerfs will claim anything, no matter how obviously ridiculous, to cope away evidence that proves their stupid little theory is false.
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>>33929880
pretty pseudoscience, go play in the sand kid
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>>33929893
>sleight-of-hand trick
>position boat/magnifying glass so that the boat bottom is clipped by the magnifying glasses' more narrow fov
Wonder if that guy rubbed his hands after making this video.
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>>33929839
Oh look, a salt flat, the best place to see the curvature of the earth
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Flat earthers do not seek to know or learn, they want not to be wrong, that is why they do not investigate, that is why they do not educate, in ignorance they can believe in their delusional disorders
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>>33919621
its a cun sandwich with berry blue spoat drank bread
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>>33920545
no ones vote counts
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>>33926397
>kek! you got nothin
Projection. You didn't even TRY to respond to my arguments.
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>>33929893
>BUUUR... THE EARTH IS FLAT, MY WEBM IS EVIDENCE

I had forgotten that whenever we look at the horizon, a giant magnifying glass stands in front of my eyes.

mental retardation level 100 = flerf
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>>33929710
>But if you opened your chamber up at the highest altitude where Earth still as some atmosphere, they would NOT escape into space
The fact that you cant specify what altitude this would happen at or give any explanation for why you think gravity magically gets stronger at higher altitudes means you kno your cope is bs and youre intentionally playing stupid to muddy the waters. gravity is STRONGEST near the surface and gets WEAKER as you increase altitude. if the gravity is too weak to prevent gas from moving into a relatively weak vacuum near the surface where gravity is supposedly STRONGEST, it certainly wouldnt be capable of preventing gas from moving into the much stronger vacuum of space at higher altitudes where gravity is WEAKER.

>if your chamber were closed but a hundred miles tall, the molecules would NEVER "equalize" in the chamber.
you already got BTFO trying to use this excuse months ago and now are pretending you have amnesia and conveniently forgot:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33190178/#33213480
the atmosphere near the surface would not need to travel through the atmosphere above it to reach the vacuum of space. the vacuum of space would come to meet the atmosphere near the surface since the atmosphere would be stripped away FROM THE TOP DOWN.

there is no elevation within earth's atmosphere where the pressurized box in a vacuum chamber experiment cant be performed and attain the exact same result. the air in the pressurized box will ALWAYS move to fill the vacuum as per the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

>proceeds to try to try to distract from his inability to answer by talking about domes again
lol. Every a post you make on this subject just further illustrates your deceptive nature and further solidifies you as a lying glowie. youre pathetic.
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>>33926397
Oh yeah, and I just woke up, those other people you are responding to aren't me. I'm not here 12-18 hours a day, unlike some people.
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refuting charlatans is very easy, flat terracing has its days numbered.

We are in the golden age of space travel, with many launches a week, it is a matter of time before the trips are so crowded that they will no longer be able to shout their delusions.
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>>33929947
>he doesnt know the atmosphere is a lens
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>>33930015
prove it, you can't
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>>33928994
>>33929710
LOL youre literally just rolling thru each and every fallacious response you've already made in pervious threads and been BTFO on months ago. throwing the same old stale shit at the wall to see if any of it wont get called out again for the obviously fallacious bs it is. youre not getting away with it.

If you honestly want anyone reading to think you’re not a shill then just say:
>”I don’t know the answer to the box paradox”
instead of continuing to keep rehashing the exact same arguments you’ve been BTFO on months ago already.

if you’re not a literal paid shill then why are you being deceptive and intentionally playing stupid when you already know the answers to your own objections?

>>33929959
nobody is buying it
>no i swear fingers crossed look at my screenshot this PROVES im not being a deceptive lying samefagging shill
The fact you think that your screenshot proves anything is proof to anyone who has been here longer than a summer that you’re not from around here. nice job outing yourself as a glowie tourist lol you just cant help but keep BTFOing yourself XD youre pathetic and anyone itt capable of critical thought can see exactly what youre doing. keep it up, your helping wake more anons up to the fact that there are literal paid shills sent to these threads
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>>33920812
dis nigguh baka frfr no cap dead a$$ og
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>>33930033
meds.
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>>33930033
that the earth is not flat, stop arguing that you are ridiculous. What a fool
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>>33930015
Is the air transparent or translucent?

If yes, it is a lens.

If no, it is opaque.
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>>33919621

These posts make me want to go full flat Earth out of spite
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>>33930030
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>>33930065
Flat earth is logically, factually, and morally correct.
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>>33930081
>never goes over the horizon, just shrinks
It's always the same video.
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>>33930060
You are not proving anything and what you say does not make sense. I keep waiting for you to show it, but I'll say it again, you can't
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>>33930182
concave earth confirmed!!!
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>>33930196
Doctored video. They literally admit that it's doctored in their own captions lol
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>>33930081
The flat earth test is a zoomed-in video, which ironically proves nothing
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>>33924572

The implications of the box in a vacuum chamber contraction cannot be overstated, as the issue not only applies to the atmosphere on earth, it is completely devastating to literally every single aspect of the heliocentric religion. Gas disperses in a vacuum therefor it is impossible for stars or gas planets or nebula or any other formations of collections of gas in the vacuum of space to form any type of structure. Gravity provably cannot, and does not, ever cause gases to attract to eachother rather than disperse, even in the presence of a large collection of preexisting mass (ie: the box experiment). There is virtually no aspect of the current (((mainstream))) model which isn’t completely and utterly destroyed by the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

The entire Heliocentric model is proven with the box thought experiment to be nothing more than a religion by definition. Those defending the globe itt believe and dogmatically promote the claims made by their heliocentric religion without ever objectively verifying or even thoroughly investigating the validity of such unsubstantiated claims as a pressurized atmosphere existing adjacent to a vacuum without a physical container. If they were willing or capable of following a simple little thought experiment about a box and a vacuum chamber to its logical end, they would realize how utterly ridiculous and absurd their beliefs are. But alas, as with most religious individuals, they reject logic and reason in favor of pseudoscientific unsubstantiated dogma.

THIS is why the box kills the ball.
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>>33930196
This video is a perfect demonstration of many observations that confirm the spherical earth, and by pure chance refute the flat earth. But a flat earther is too dumb to say why.

Flat Earthers denying as they refute themselves, it happens all the time.
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>>33930229
Another comment full of inconsistencies, errors, misinterpretations and explains taken from the ass

We have already refuted these imbecilities so many times, that educating you is already boring, so do us a favor and educate yourself well.
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>>33926135
I wonder if flatshill will ever try to respond, or if he'll continue to strut around the board?
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A flat earther will never look for the truth, this thread proves it. They never investigate anything, they never check anything they think they know, they are not true geography enthusiasts, since they only care about one thing, wanting to be right, wanting to believe that what they think is true, their ego is so big that they cannot They assume the mistakes, they only escape forward denying everything else, denying everything without giving them a chance to know. Everything about them is a belief, even the shape of the earth. When they are told that they are wrong, they resort to even more regrettable moves, such as believing (yes, once again believing) in more delusional ideas, such as absurd and untenable conspiracy ideas for anyone with a modicum of common sense.
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psssst. PSSSSSTT. Hey kid, wanna know something always scares flat earthers so much they ignore it? Just say "Polaris" at them. Works every time.
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>>But if you opened your chamber up at the highest altitude where Earth still as some atmosphere, they would NOT escape into space
>The fact that you cant specify what altitude this would happen
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+far+does+earth%27s+atmosphere+extend+into+space

>or give any explanation for why you think gravity magically gets stronger at higher altitudes
That is not what's happening you god damn moron. A gas molecule's kinetic energy is NOT infinite. As it rises against gravity it loses kinetic energy until it has no more and falls back down. People tried to explain this to you like you were a fucking 5 year old and you just couldn't get it. I used a bouncy ball analogy, which others picked up and expanded on, and you just couldn't fucking get it. A 5yo can get it, but you can't. I can't explain physics to a mentally challenged retard. If you can't grasp it, you can't grasp it. Sorry.

>>if your chamber were closed but a hundred miles tall, the molecules would NEVER "equalize" in the chamber.
>you already got BTFO trying to use this excuse months ago
>MUH ATMOSPHERE WOULD BE STRIPPED AWAY!!!
...was not a rebuttal, it was just another example of how you are too low IQ to understand what people are saying to you. Your chamber is a vacuum. There is nothing to strip away. There is nothing blocking the path of anything. You open your box. One molecule of O2 is on a trajectory to shoot straight up towards the top. It climbs...it climbs...it climbs...it's out of kinetic energy and falls back down.

>the atmosphere near the surface would not need to travel through the atmosphere above it to reach the vacuum of space.
Irrelevant. We're talking about a box in a vacuum chamber, remember? If gravity ceased to exist the Earth's atmosphere would blow off. But gravity is real moron. Jump off a bridge if you doubt it. Please.
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>>33930015
Flerfs
>nooooo atmospheric refraction isn't real!!!
Also flerfs:
>muh atmosphere is a lens
Would you stupid fucks make up your mind?

Also: looking at the horizon with human eyes would be like placing the boat CENTER in the magnifying glass. I dare you to repeat that video, but with the boat center. Go on. Try it.
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>>33930033
>wall of reeeeeee
Didn't even read it. You can't refute a single point. We observe that Earth is a globe. We observe that mass attracts mass. We directly observe time dilation, an indirectly observe length contraction.

Deal with it.
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>>33930229
>wall of repeated nonsense
>"gas expands into a vacuum"
>"BUT NOT AT THE TOP OF THE DOME THAT'S DIFFERENT"
kek cope
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>>33930411
It astonishes me that they won't even touch this. Is it because they can't even understand it???
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>Me with a flat earther.
>me: look at this object.
>drop object, the object falls
>me: we call this phenomenon gravity
>flat earther: gravity is fake, fucking shill!
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>>33930474
well i hope not because that would speak very badly of their intellects. Far worse than i suspected.
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>>33930493
LMFAO

>>33930499
If only you knew how bad their intellects really are.
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>>33919621
>>33920106
This is the same poster.
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>>33929952
Explained for primary school children, the atmosphere is made of matter, matter weighs and is attracted to matter. Coincidentally, the earth is also made of matter, and it attracts atmospheric gases, so they don't go into space. And for this very reason, galactic dust gathers and creates planets and stars, because it is matter, matter attracts matter. It is not so complicated to understand, are you an idiot or ignorant?
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>>33930411
I like your funny math
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>>33930552
No it’s not. Think whatever you want but I’ve been reading a watching tons of videos you guys have shared. I’m starting to understand your logic but what I wonder is, what’s beyond this so called ice wall?
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>>33930626
please, do go on good sir
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>>33930229
Extremely based.
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>>33930493
It falls because it is more dense than air.

Why dont you ask why it stopped falling?

It encountered a medium more dense than itself.
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>>33930648
This is the shape of the earth.
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>>33919621
Crazy how none of those planets are visible in the moon landing footage
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>>33930712
>drop lead ball on wooden table
>it stops because wood is more dense than lead
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>>33930726
they took photos in which venus could be seen several times.
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>>33930427
>the atmpsere is 6,214 miles high
FUCKING KEK!!!! and you also believe the atmosphere SPINS WITH EARTH AS IF ITS SOMEHOW MAGICALLY GLUED TO THE GROUND to justify >>33924492

HAHAHAHAHHA HAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHHHA HAHAHHAH aha ahha haHA AHHHHHAHHAHAHHAHA HAHA XD

tell me buddy, how fast does that mean the atmosphere is spinning at the point it supposedly meets with the vacuum of space 10,000km up? XD do you see how the globe model completely defies all logic under even the most surface level scrutiny?

>A gas molecule's kinetic energy is NOT infinite. As it rises against gravity it loses kinetic energy until it has no more and falls back down.
again, you already got BTFO trying to use this excuse months ago and now are pretending you have amnesia and conveniently forgot:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33317501/#33344300
Gas molecules get their kinetic energy from HEAT and the upper layers of the atmosphere have MORE heat than at the surface. Gas molecules would have even MORE energy. It’s irrelevant anyways bc You can do the box experiment in a cold vacuum chamber and still the 2nd law of thermodynamics will ALWAYS apply. Gas molecules ALWAYS seek equilibrium with a vacuum as per the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
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>>33930760
why would anything traveling at whatever speed be an issue if its only moving relative to vacuum?
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>>33930760
>Gas molecules get their kinetic energy from HEAT and the upper layers of the atmosphere have MORE heat than at the surface.
No they don't.
https://www.google.com/search?q=What+is+the+unit+for+heat
Joules =/= degrees
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>>33930427

>>33930760
>One molecule of O2 is on a trajectory to shoot straight up towards the top. It climbs...it climbs...it climbs...it's out of kinetic energy and falls back down.

oh you convieniently forgot you alredy got your ass wooped for trying to pass that one off months ago too lol:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33317501/#33344300

again, the upper layers of the atmosphere HAVE THE MOST HEAT AND THEREFOR WOULD GIVE THE GAS MOLECULES EVEN MORE KINETIC ENERGY. id say you dont have the slightest clue what youre talking about when it comes to Kinetic energy but considering your behavior in these threads its pretty obvious your strategy here is just to keep throwing the same old stale shit at the wall to see if any of it wont get called out again for the obviously fallacious bs it is. youre not getting away with it.

> If gravity ceased to exist the Earth's atmosphere would blow off.
lol gravity provably cannot prevent atmosphere from blowing off into space as per the box paradox. if gravity and the alleged vacuum of space actually did exist gravity wouldnt do jackshit to keep the atmosphere on earth.

If you honestly want anyone reading these posts to think you’re not a shill then just say:
>”I don’t know the answer to the box paradox”
instead of continuing to keep rehashing the exact same arguments you’ve been BTFO on months ago already. The box paradox has exposed you for the obvious shill you are. Your only chance at redemption in the eyes of any lurker capable of critical thought is to just admit you don’t have an answer. Every a post you make on this subject just further solidifies you as a lying glowie.
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>>33930760
>Gas molecules ALWAYS seek equilibrium with a vacuum as per the 2nd law of thermodynamics
Always? So even inside a container, eh?
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>>33930760
>Gas molecules get their kinetic energy from HEAT and the upper layers of the atmosphere have MORE heat than at the surface
the problem may be that you think the vacuum at your as yet unspecified altitude can be said to have heat in the same sense that the air at ground level can. What it has up there are particles which move. But there are no very many of them compared to down here. The only way that other gas particles can receive some of that energy is if they collide with those faster moving ones. And even then, depending on the angle they strike, the mean free oath, and the speed that particle is already moving at, it may still not leave the earth.

There is a slow average loss of a small amount of several gases into space due to several mechanism of those particles gaining the required energy to escape, but for each particle theres as about as much chance for them to be sent towards the earth as away.
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>>33930556
>>33930806
>proceeds to regurgitate the exact unsubstantiated heliocentric religious dogma that was just falsified with the box paradox as if its proof of anything other than his inability to understand what a begging the question fallacy is
youre presupposing the very properties of gravity which are shown to be nonexistent by the very box paradox you're attempting to refute. its just a remedial logical fallacy in order to attempt to sidestep the issue.

>>33930790
picrel. youre either a complete room temp iq moron or youre a paid shill being deceptive. based on your posts thus far itt id say your both.

>>33930779
fluid dynamics, its already been explained itt. claiming the upper layers of the atmosphere are moving faster than the ground 10,000km beneath it is violation of the law of conservation of energy and the law of the conservation of momentum.

>>33930799
>Always? So even inside a container, eh?
yes, unless another force such as electrostatics/magnetism prevents it and creates a gradient. as ive already stated multiple times in this very thread:
>there is also a measurable equipotential increase of 100 volts per meter as you increase altitude from the surface of earth which correlates with the decreasing pressure gradient. as the resting potential increases, the pressure decreases. The ONLY way to get a measurable increase resting charge potential of 100 volts per meter is if there is a Gaussian surface above us as well. You cannot produce one single example of an equincreasing electric potential without the use of 2 Gaussian surfaces. This is yet another proof of the existence of the firmament.
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>>33930872
>yes, unless another force such as electrostatics/magnetism/gravity prevents it and creates a gradient
It's hilarious that you don't see how this BTFOs you.
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>>33930872
>your image
obviously, but its the rate at which that energy is transferred to all the other particles. in high vacuum that can take quite a while.
>presupposing the very properties of gravity
mostly i wasn't talking about gravity much, just the behavior of particles of differing energies. that can happen in a place of essential no gravity.
>the upper layers of the atmosphere are moving faster than the ground
10000km is pretty far out to be talking about atmosphere in any important sense, though of course i suppose there will be a very low density of stuff out there, but the same point can be applied to particles at every increasingly high point above the surface i suppose.
But there seems to be a confusion where you say 'the upper layers of the atmosphere are going faster'. What do you mean exactly? Where is it claimed that the atmosphere far up rotates at the same speed as the earth?
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you have to be very stupid to believe in this delirium called flat earth, don't you believe in meteorites? Not on satellites? How do you explain the impossible speed in the atmosphere at which the ISS travels, and that it is ALWAYS visible on the route it travels when it passes over your point of observation? Or the tracking of any satellite of the thousands that are in orbit? idiots
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>>33930872
You need to investigate more, educate yourself, because you are making a mistake, find out
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>>33930760
>>33930792
>noooooo
>muh thermosphere is hotter
Which is why I used the highest temps encountered when calculating whether or not the lightest molecule would have enough energy to escape from the thermosphere. It would not. It has only 12.8% of the required velocity. You've seen this before. You're just playing dumb and acting like you were not BTFO.

>>>>>>>>>>

Flerfers often claim the globe can't be real because "gas pressure without container = impossible." They claim that Earth's atmosphere would violently fly off into space without a container, and deny that gravity could hold gas molecules to Earth. Are they right?

First, let's establish via experiment that a force can create gas pressure. In this case it's magnetism, but we just want to debunk the idea that a container is absolutely necessary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_confinement_fusion

Next let's look at the force of gravity.

Escape velocity for Earth: 11,186 m/s (meters per second)
Source: https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/escape-velocity

Molar mass of H2O: 18.01528 g/mol
Source: https://www.google.com/search?q=h2o+molar+mass

Root Mean Square Velocity of H2O at 1,200C/1,473.15K, the peak temperature in the Exosphere: 1,428.17 m/s
Source: http://calistry.org/calculate/kineticTheoryVelocityCalculator

At 1,200C H2O is moving at a velocity which is 9,757.83 m/s too slow to escape Earth's gravity (only 12.8% of the required velocity). It's moving fast enough to move up and out of a pressurized container opened in a room in vacuum. But if that room extended all the way to space, the H2O molecules would never get to the top and escape. They would literally run out of kinetic energy, like a rocket running out of fuel, and fall back down.

At 75F/297.039K H2O is only moving at 641.30 m/s, or 5.7% of the required speed to escape Earth.

Since oxygen exists as O2 in the atmosphere, and nitrogen as N2, H2O is the fastest moving of the three. It's also much faster than CO2.
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>>33930987
>that can happen in a place of essential no gravity.
All places are places of no gravity lol. If you don’t think the box paradox is evidence enough of this, try referring to the sections labeled “gravity” in the pastebin:
https://pastebin.com/MwaRqfMM

Or these archived posts:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33285184/#33288186
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33285184/#33285426
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>>33931122
The satellites MUST YES OR YES be in a vacuum, or else we would be listening to thousands of shock waves due to the breaking of the speed of sound at which they would be moving, the satellites by themselves confirm the existence of the vacuum of space. It's just that it's so easy to refute them, and all because they are ignorant people who are afraid of knowledge.
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>>33930872
You are ignoring that you have had your ass BTFO repeatedly on this topic. At the highest encountered temps the lightest, fastest moving molecule is no where near escaping Earth's gravity.
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33881331/#33892646
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33596546/#33622439
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33583601/#33604671
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33583601/#33599601
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33564282/#33568965
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33541553/#33553174
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33429743/#33434045
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33376353/#33386321
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33372120/#33373609
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33346113/#33360429
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33317501/#33345918

This groundhog day shit needs to end you ignorant little flerf.
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>>33930872
>muh magnets create muh dome vacuum!
I'd ask you to prove it but you don't even know where the dome is. Why can't you find the dome? Why can't you photograph it? What is it made of? What are its properties? How thick is it? Where the fuck is it?
>idk
>we don't have a model
That's right. You've got: nothing.
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>>33931152
>muh physicist misquotes!
Already addressed right in this very thread: >>33926359
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>>33931152
This photo is perfect proof of the hypocrisy of flat earthers, they call all scientists liars, UNLESS, they say something moderately misinterpretable, to quote their words and use them as a demonstrative resource of the flat earth, it is that they are not The face of pure idiots falls in shame because they are not even aware of their hypocrisy. But on top of that they are not even demonstrating anything with their "evidence"
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>>33931168
Ball = flat
now it is more in line with reality
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>>33931168
>cartoons
Reminder that flerfs literally cannot remember, and sometimes cannot even see, anything that contradicts their flat god.
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>>33930493
Circular reasoning
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>>33930493
Balloons don't go up. Is gravity selective? Lol
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>>33931342
Air goes down. Displaces balloon.
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>>33931342
Down*
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>>33931205
shills cant meme

>>33931137
>Which is why I used the highest temps encountered when calculating whether or not the lightest molecule would have enough energy to escape from the thermosphere
>muh escape velocity argument again
you already got REKT trying to use that in this very thread lol:
>>33926729
apparently now that you've used up all the logical fallacies you had in your arsenal, youre just recycling back thru them from the start and are pretending your selective amnesia develops over the course of a single thread XD

none of your equations mean shit if they assume faulty axioms. math =/= reality. just bc Einstein developed equations describing "space-time" doesnt mean "space-time" even exists. math is a language, not a reflection of reality. ofcourse it can be used to describe things that are real, but also languages are used all the time to describe things that aren't real

kek! every time you get BTFO on the box pardox you have meltdown and go into stale pasta spamming mode. keep them jimmies rustled and go ahead and continue self-coddling by spamming your fallacious pasta. you've been getting exposed this entire thread and you know it. thanks for being my punching bag btw :)

>>33931163
>hey guys look at this proof that im a pathetic shill loser that spams every FE thread
>..also please ignore the fact that flat earth anon just BTFO itt everything in my stale pasta
nice self BTFO lol

>>33931179
nice straw man. not all scientists are liars. scientists arent immune to falling victim to religious dogma, peer pressure, indoctrination, and fallacious arguments. most scientists themselves have eaten the same shit they shovel to the public. just bc they arent intentionally lying doesnt mean theyre automatically right about all of their beliefs. also, educate yourself on the difference between a "hostile witness" and an "appeal to authority":
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33311752/#33316918
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33830188/#33843373
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>>33931342
You come to release your ignorance, since this has been explained multiple times in many flat earth threads.

Once again, flat earthers using the same ignorant arguments that have been explained over and over again. Once again, flat earthers demonstrate their denial of any type of evidence. If you don't endorse flat earth, they ignore it.

educate yourself
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>>33931331
BASED
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>>33931388
The earth is not flat, do not look ridiculous
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>>33930297
Yup, he's still not addressing the post. Still strutting about like a pigeon on a chess board.
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>>33931331
Flat earth reasoning, don't ask them for too much.

Flat earth reasoning, don't ask them for too much.

Gravity doesn't exist because things fall, gravity is when things fall, it's not that one exists because the other happens, literally that's the basic explanation of gravity, lol what an idiot.
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>>33931410
>durr the cause ie the effect
Kek. Gravity is the claim that mass attracts mass. Yoi either ignorant about your own religion or intentionally lying to decieve.
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>>33931331
is that really your answer? You label me without even understanding my explanation, your answer has shown your ignorance and your lack of reading comprehension. And that was an explanation for kids...
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>>33931422
Men, seriously... that's what's being said, yes, you're retarded. You don't even know how to understand what you read.

>Gravity is the claim that mass attracts mass.
At least your explanation is correct, thanks for educating the flerfs
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>>33931422
The claim that has been proven thousands of times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAL1o5WajQg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeW_cXyqm7A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3bL4eidUyM
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>>33931429
Right, there are fewer and fewer flerfs, thanks for explaining it yourself, flerf.

This is actually more pathetic, it means that flerf spam is done by fewer people, more autism detected.
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>>33931454
>>33926135
I didn't disappear when you mentioned the box "paradox", YOU stopped responding.
You can pick up the conversation anytime, you just have to respond to the arguments made. That's your choice.
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>>33931454
The box paradox only hurts the flat earth, lol

It explains how more complex models are required to eliminate possible contradictions, the paradox of the box has only helped to make the balloon model more elaborate and precise.

In fact, with the spherical earth model, this contradictory pradoja disappears.

Thanks for shooting yourself in the foot alone, flerf.
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>>33931492
The box paradox is an example of how it is important to use accurate mathematical and geometric models to understand and correctly represent natural phenomena.

This is precisely what the non-existent flat earth model does not have. They try to attack the globe planet and only hurt the flat planet
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>>33926359
lol picrel. now cope and seethe.
also, you've been btfo on this countless times:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33186246/#33192431

>>33926135
>>33930297
>>33931407
already addressed in 3 separate posts:
>>33924578
>>33926729
>>33930872
thanks again for being my punching bag dude.

>>33931454
lol based and saved

>>33931468
>>33931492
kek! keep coping. everyone reading knows what the score is; you got handled.
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>>33931523
>already addressed in 3 separate posts
Nope, none of those posts addressed even one of the points I raised. You're not even trying
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>>33931527
lol prepare for the booty blasted globeshill to start crying even harder and pretending he wasnt humiliated itt. the box gets 'em good every time XD

>>33931547
keep coping. youre not fooling anyone with your frail attempt at feigning confidence
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>>33931468
>>33931492
>>33931509
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>>33931558
I deleted the post because the meme had a grammar error.
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>>33931523
>kek! keep coping. everyone reading knows what the score is; you got handled.

Only you see what you want to see in your delusions, oh once again quoting scientists only when you think it suits you, hypocrite and liar, you don't even believe your own lies, and you know it
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>>33931561
Are your victories answered? I still don't see evidence of the wall of ice and the dome
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>>33929839
Flat-brain's cannot elucidate any true insight. Only mock in a fevered effort to make themselves look like the cool kid on the block. They're just dangerous, creepy losers though.
>>33927429
>>33927417
>>33927344
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>>33931558
Using the memes that we threw at you? lol I think you're out of ideas. It must be very difficult to be in your embarrassing situation
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They always look for paradoxes they don't understand and then they think they've gained something.
The only thing they gain is to be ashamed, they don't even investigate well.
Notice this pattern, they use all their efforts to try to refute the globe earth, but their investigations do not go further, everything they investigate is related to trying to justify their beliefs in the flat earth, they only stay in their information bubble, or if They must not admit that they are wrong.
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>>33927429
Guilt by association fallacy #101
>>33927417
Guilt by association fallacy #102
>>33927344
Guilt by association fallacy #103
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>>33931613
Awesome explanation, but we're just using that to make fun of it, it's not evidence of anything, nice try.
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>>33931624
You were literally calling all Flat Earthers pedophiles based on a few individuals
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>>33931640
Anon did it, I didn't.

In the same way, your answer should be applied to those who run out of arguments and can only shout "shills" to everything they don't like.
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>>33931583
anyone can check the archives and see it was YOU who tried to ripoff MY OC just liek you do with every popular FE meme:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33249093/#33276367
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33249093/#33274633
https://img.4plebs.org/boards/x/image/1667/49/1667499275926103.jpg
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33249093/#33277447

always remember anons:
>1.) globeshills ALWAYS lie
>2.) shills cant meme

>>33931571
"hostile witness" =/= "appeal to authority"
keep seething
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>>33931583
>It must be very difficult to be in your embarrassing situation
kek! nice obvious projection. stay bootyblasted
everyone knows nuthin' rustles up the jimmies of the globeshills quite like a good ball-killing-box beatdown XD
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>>33931653
Sorry, your arguments are canceled when you bring no evidence of the dome or the wall of ice.

I look up and see the globe earth, I look at the horizon and see the globe earth, I see the and the stars and I see the globe earth.

Do you believe in satellites and meteorites? Did you know that you could track them? Did you know that the speed of satellites is impossible if it is not in the vacuum of space?
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>>33931667
>NO, THAT'S YOU!

KEK
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>>33931667
Proud of the paradox that only affects his flat earth, what a laugh.

Let him think he's won something, it's already sad
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>>33931678
>>33931687
Lol still no answer to the globe paradox.
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>>33931718
In fact, yes, check carefully, what happens is that it is not convenient for you to read when they catch you lying.

Ah, you are the mentally ill person who claimed evidence of gravity and ignored it whenever they responded with evidence.

I wouldn't be surprised to think you're the only sick person who thinks the earth is flat and spams garbage here.

Since your rubbish paradox was refuted and it blew up in your face, I'll keep waiting for them to answer this >>33931678
, but I know you're not going to answer anything and you're just going to run.
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>>33931768
>still no answer to the globe paradox
Wow these globeshills really got nothing. FE Anon is right.
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>>33931687
>>33931696
>>33931768

TOPKEK! you're just licking your wounds atp lol
who exactly do you think youre fooling when there's a full transcript of our debate itt for everyone to read. objectively you lost the exchanges and ran away with your tail tucked between your legs after i made this last post: >>33931388 and you couldn't defend your weakass fallacious position any longer

you had nuthin' and you knew it so you did the only thing you could do and ran like the little bitch you are

it would have been less painful for you if youd shown even the slightest modicum of integrity and just said from the start:
>"i dont know. i dont have an answer for the box paradox."
but of course globeshills have no integrity and ALWAYS lie and use deceptive tactics to try and sell their snake oil. you guys are pathetic and the BTFO i just dished out to you was well deserved. now cope adn seethe harder since apparently thats all youre good at
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>>33931789
i think this just about sums it up:
https://img.4plebs.org/boards/x/image/1668/11/1668116542128004.jpg
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>>33931789
How sad, he's not even going to check and he's just going to deny that they've answered him, you're definitely the same retard who spent days spamming to have gravity explained to him.

But even so, even if they answer him, he is not even capable of engaging in a debate on his own arguments, he can only cry that no one answers him, despite having done so.

And even if they answer him thousands of times, he will never answer any of the questions that are a priority to believe in a flat earth.

That's how the flerfs are
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>>33931820
Yup lol
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>>33931794
They are not worth it, they only demand explanations, we give them and when they receive them, they ignore them and deny the explanations. They complain and complain, but when they ask for evidence to understand them, they come up with their refutable explanations, with their pseudosciences or simply run away from the debate.

It's not worth talking to people who are in denial before they start talking. If you want me to explain again why your paradoxes of the boxes are wrong, first I am going to ask you for evidence of the dome and the wall of ice, and that you explain to me how the speed of the satellites within the atmosphere is possible, just 3 things, try it Don't be scared, I know you can (but you can't)
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>>33931862
You can't answer the box paradox lol
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>>33931862
>If you want me to explain again
kek! why would anyone WANT to playgroundhog day with pathetic lying globeshills? i dont reply to you bc i enjoy interacting with disgusting shill losers like yourself, i reply to you because i want other anons to see how easy it is to dismantle your bullshit globe arguments. also its nice to have a record in the 4plebs archive to link back to in future threads so when im in an FE thread in the future and you inevitably start spamming your stale pasta agian, i can then link back to your previous discussions and show a record of you getting BTFO which helps expose you as a literal shill for those with any level of discernment who will quickly realize that only a literal paid shill would choose to spend vast amounts of his time spamming arguments that he knows damn well are fallacious and deceptive

evidence for the dome has been posted in this thread and many previous threads:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/search/text/https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2F2fX-yACd-JM%3Ft%3D661/

>there is also a measurable equipotential increase of 100 volts per meter as you increase altitude from the surface of earth which correlates with the decreasing pressure gradient. as the resting potential increases, the pressure decreases. The ONLY way to get a measurable increase resting charge potential of 100 volts per meter is if there is a Gaussian surface above us as well. You cannot produce one single example of an equincreasing electric potential without the use of 2 Gaussian surfaces. This is yet another proof of the existence of the firmament.
you ran away from this like a little bitch all 3 times it was posted itt as well. you got nuthin'

>how the speed of the satellites within the atmosphere is possible
theres no proof satellites only sateloons
satellites have already been addressed itt:
>>33926702
and in many previous threads:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/search/text/https%3A%2F%2Fyoutube.com%2Fplaylist%3Flist%3DPLyHwsN1Rg4IqaayvqHqKmTh3zOYDMh8Xh/
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>>33931862
>>33931990
the icewall has been covered ad nauseam as well. its all in the archives and the pastebin but here's a playlist with some good stuff:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyHwsN1Rg4IomIMlzOh-Lr24ONhDVtkIW
thread is at image limit but heres a webm:
https://img.4plebs.org/boards/x/image/1588/77/1588773086635.webm

and yea >>33931971 is right, you guys absolutely imploded on the box paradox itt. it was pretty satisfying to witness and be a part of. really, this thread should be enough to get any anon capable of waking up to start there own journey to discovering the Truth.

as always DONT BELIEVE ME ANONS. LOOK INTO EVERYTHING FOR YOURSELF AND ALWAYS USE YOUR GOD-GIVEN COMMON SENSE LOGIC AND REASON TO COME TO AN INFORMED CONCLUSION ON ANY FLAT EARTH RELATED MATTER. AND GO PERFORM THE CURVATURE TEST YOURSELF TO VERIFY FLAT EARTH CLAIMS.

this is a good place to start for any anons completely new to the topic of Flat earth:
https://pastebin.com/MwaRqfMM
>>33922239
>>33926549
>>33920106
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>>33931678
for satellites see:
>>33926702
>>33931990
here's a playlist on meteorites:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEzivhxtxgbtjruwxes9e31hm85rrzOhi

and also another good point about meteorites/ shooting stars:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/33176510/#33228234
https://youtu.be/Ei8lfNHus1M

The fact meteors are NEVER observed traveling up from below the horizon is statistically impossible in the globe model, and since the globe model is a claim of specificity, this is absolute proof that meteors are not what they tell us they are.

If earth really were a globe, you should see shooting stars traveling up from below the horizon all the time. Every time you see a shooting star going down, that means it’s a shooting star going up for someone else on a different part of the globe. This alone falsifies the current explanation for shooting stars. Personally, I believe them to be electrical discharges hitting the domed firmament. Regardless of what shooting stars and meteors are, Space is most certainly fake and gay.
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>>33932084
Besides the faces' of the Flat-Brained: Few things are more disgusting and dishonest then trying to graft a series of lies onto important truth.
>>33927344
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>>33931990
>>33932084
>>33932084
>>33932162
Lol I can't believe you answered me, tomorrow I'll read you and refute all your bullshit, get your ass ready, good night
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>>33932202
>t. false confidence and undeserved smugness
You got roasted. No amount of faux strutting and empty threats is going to undo the assbeating you just took that everyone itt just witnessed
Now go lick your wounds some more and stick some pins in your flat earth anon voodoo doll to help you cope. fag.
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>>33932279
>>33932202
I already read the shit about the "paradox" in the box (important quotes), and I can't believe they are so proud of such pathetic shit XDD

I will explain it so that everyone understands:

The argument is that if the Earth were truly spherical, then a long, narrow box would have to have a curve at its bottom due to the curvature of the Earth.

For this argument to make sense you would have to misunderstand how gravity and the geometry of the earth work. I still don't fully understand it because the reasoning is too stupid, but in theory the base of the box should curve since the earth is spherical, but since it doesn't curve, then it's flat XD

These people are simply proud of this because they are complete ignoramuses in geometry, they believe that the base should curve, hoping that the curvature will be perceptible at those scales.

The other thing I read is that they think that depending on the earth the box is in, gravity should change direction, and again it is a wrong idea, since gravity acts uniformly towards the center of the earth, it is a thought stupid as the experiment of the water that does not stick to the basketball.

>No amount of faux strutting and empty threats is going to undo the assbeating you just took that everyone itt just witnessed

Seriously man, so much pride for so little? It would explain how you are not ashamed to show those idiot experiments, like the one about the sun shining on curved vs. flat surfaces, is that you know absolutely nothing about geometry, you are embarrassing, really, seriously... educate yourself.
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You jumped to conclusions taking advantage of the ignorance of the information to take advantage and proudly cling to "evidence" that would disprove something.

People are not wise from birth, we do not know the truth of things until we get the knowledge. In the scientific field, and even on a personal level, being wrong is not bad, not knowing is not bad either, all of this is solvable

The real problem is when we refuse to want to know, we refuse to admit mistakes, and there is nothing worse than this, because without the knowledge, they can easily lie to you, and once they lie to you, and you lie to yourself, it is quite difficult. Being able to recognize when one is wrong.

If you know, are willing to the results, willing to accept the evidence, and have an open and skeptical but aware mind, then you can get out of the pit of ignorance.

I am being very serious when I say that the flat earth community, and its beliefs, are a pit of ignorance, otherwise tell me that you are not denying all scientific knowledge, missing out on a huge amount of knowledge, just because of a hunch, just for a belief

Worth it? Will you have positive results by continuing like this?
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>>33932629
>>33932699
lol literally wtf are you even talking about XD
either this is the shittiest attempt at trolling ive ever read or youre completely illiterate and incompetent.

watch the video and read the picrel here:
>>33923279

if you still dont understand the box paradox after that idk what to tell you, this discussion is just not for you..
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>>33932750
They have asked you to explain the paradox and you don't, you don't even know how it worked, I'm still waiting
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>>33932750
maybe the first one could be wrong, but the second one, it's something logical, if you don't agree with that, then you're a retard and I'm not saying it as an insult, you really would be a retard, an ignorant retard also, don't keep us waiting And explain your paradox shit at once, I know you can't
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>>33932764
>They can't beat me because I have this hidden in my pocket, the earth is flat because what I have in my pocket is going to knock them down and I will never say what I have here.

Men fuck you explain the shit of paradox at once
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>>33931388
You're the one that tried to make a "dead globe" meme but used a flat Earth lmfao thanks for that btw.

>"lol you got REKT"
>proceeds to link a post with absolutely no rebuttal
I know you're stupid, but come on...

>nooooooo
>gravity doesn't exist!!!!
Pay attention you stupid little flerf: we OBSERVE that mass attracts mass. The equations ACCURATELY PREDICT everything we apply them to. Your flat Earth doesn't even have a model, in fact anyone searching 4plebs can see you run crying like a little girl away from creating or endorsing a model.

>nooooo
>you're having a meltdown!!!
LOL you're the one with walls of reeeeee.

>noooo only i can quote scientists muh hostile witness
Nobody here falls for your kike pilpul.
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>>33931454
That's what happens when you mention the box dome paradox to a flerf.
>muh lazers makin vacuums!
I mean why not given all the other stupid magical shit you believe.

>>33931523
>mention what hawking really believed to a flat Earther
>flat Earther sperges the fuck out
This is like the third time you've replied to that copypasta. It must really piss you off to be exposed as the liar you are.

>>33931789
>>33931653
>>33931794
>>33931990
>>33932084
>>33932162
>i'm sperging out and reeeee'ing because i won
Holy fuck. Meds dude. MEDS.
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>>33932750
Since you are incapable, I will review it, because I am interested in knowing, not like you who only searches at your convenience.

Honestly... you're wrong, seriously educate yourself... if what you're defending as a "paradox" is that oxygen does what oxygen does, which is a gas, in the gravity that the earth has, which is to disperse, then You're really wrong xD, don't you know about solids, liquids and gases? You don't understand the behavior of its particles? go back to school and then we talk.

It was enough for me to understand what it was about to see how absurd an idiot I was, seriously... so proud of this?
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>>33932629
>>33932699
>>33932750
>>33932764
>>33932790
>>33932811
>>33932922
>>33932975
>>33932976
>jokes on them I was merely pretending to be retarded
you’re not some “le epic troll lel” you’re just a lonely faggot who doesn’t have a life. Get a hobby, try to make some friends, learn a skill that you can use to make the world a better place. Anything is better than wasting your life away pretending to be a retard for (you)’s like an attention starved child. Really think about how your day to day life is unfolding right now and ask yourself “am I going to look back with fondness and pride at the way I spent my time shitposting on a shitstain basketweaving forum, or am I going to look back on these days with the crushing pain of regret wishing I had taken control of my life and found purpose and meaning”. Your choice, your life, my advice is stop wasting it and find something you can be proud of when you’re reflecting back in your last years. I’m sure these words will fall on deaf ears but I honestly do have a lot empathy and pity for amount of anons I see here who have seem to completely thrown in the towel and given up on their search for meaning and purpose. I wish you all the best.
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>>33931163
Actually dude, Earth is not only fat, but the bible is a literally accurate document and you will literally go to a LITERAL hell filled with LITERAL demons out to TORMENT YOU for ETERNITY for speaking against the flat earth truth of the bible, now, I say this as a scientist and not as a religious man, but you fuck with God you fuck with the wrong hombre and you need jesus, and that's like an algorhythm or something. Stick that shit in your evolutionary algorhythm because it's high time for SCIENCE to start taking orders from RELIGION.

You've been warned.
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>>33933317
flat^, Earth is FLAT
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>>33933317
I’m a flat earther and I’ve never met or heard of any flat earther that talks like this or believes this. Not a single one. You’re an obvious glowie. Clean up your life and get right.
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>>33933335
I just believe flat earth because it's flat in the bible, man, not sure what to tell you.
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>>33933343
>how are you doin' fellow kids?
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>>33933343
Then you’re not a flat earther, you’re a religious zealot. Flat earthers don’t “believe” the earth is flat. We KNOW it is beyond any shadow of a doubt bc we’ve put in the necessary leg work to find out the truth about the wold around us, not bc just bc we read it in some old book we we like. You have the complete wrong mindset. If you want to start down the road to actually developing a true understanding of the world around you Start here:
https://pastebin.com/MwaRqfMM
>>33922239
>>33926549
>>33920106

If you don’t want to actually research, test and understand the claims of your worldview you have no business telling other people they should believe what you do. You’re kind of shit person at this stage in your journey tbqf. Please stop posting in FE threads if you don’t want to discuss FE. You’re not better or more likely to be in the favor of The Creator than anyone else just bc you shit on people that don’t buy into your particular flavor of unsubstantiated indoctrination. Super cringe my guy.



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