>>28405386what was the saying that went like this "hekate, hekta, abababoobobololoo" ?
>>28405423Hekas hekas este bebeloi
What youtubers does /omg/ recommend?
What should i read to learn astrology?And what for alchemy?
>>28406172After watching one minute of his videos, I can safely say the dude is bonkers.>>28406148Hardcore Zen.
>>28406267>After watching one minute of his videos, I can safely say the dude is bonkers.elaborate
>>28406326There is nothing to elaborate on. Plenty of crackpot occultists out there.
>>28406148None. The incentives are all wrong.
>>28406354i mean his videos starting from the beginning are solid. i don't see any problems with them.
>>28406148Paul Hughes Barlow
>>28406373Honestly, are you larping? Often your posts are just something like "no" without any substance didn't you claim to have crossed the Abyss?
>>28406493Where else would you LARP?
>>28406493Do you have a brain?
>>28406550No offence, but wouldn't it be better to spend that energy on actual practice, what do you gain from egotism?>>28406543Why does he do it at all in the first place?
>>28406584>Why does he do it at all in the first place?The same reason people lie about their jobs or relationships or anything. People want to feel important so you go to someplace to pretend you're important instead of actually doing anything.
>>28406636I do understand, but realizing that it's stupid and a waste of time and that that time could be spent on actual practice instead. I just dont see the point.
>>28406690Hasn't been a waste so far.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>28406234For astrology you're gonna wanna hit up the writings 'Mystic Meg', she writes for a lot of newspapers.For alchemy, read Newton's 'Principia'. It won't help at first, but with study it will set you on the right path.
>The serpents of mass and energy represent the old 0 = 2 equation of dualistic mysticism(from Liber Kaos)What's this "0 = 2 equation" Carroll refers to? I hadn't heard of it and I can't find any references to it by searching online.
>>28407170Crowley talks about it in Magick Without Tears. The universe is created from nothing through pairs of opposites. 0=1+(-1).
Guys i'm too retarded to learn the lbrp. It's been a month and I still forget the lines. The ironic thing is I want to learn magic to become smarter. wut do?
...and on a related note:http://hekatestation.net/e3h/e3h.html
>>28407921The point is to practice it. If you have to sit there and read it out of your notes every time then that’s just what you do.
>>28407921How are you practicing it? You can use a script until you remember, but it's really not a lot of text.
How can someone move through all the planes using a single body?Astral projection and the ethereal travel stuff relies on you stepping out of your physical body but I was wondering if there's a way to bring it with me instead of letting it lay still while I fuck around.
Is the LBRP really that necessary or can I make my own banishing ritual and stick with it?
>>28407921As you were told by anons, you keep practicing. Write it out on paper and perform it every single night. >>28408050Stupid question. >>28408063Can you write a better ritual?
So I've decided to study the occult/mysticism properly. I am extremely new to it and I am using picrel as a guide. Do you think this guide is a good starting point?
>>28408099Absolutely not. Three Books of Occult Philosophy is interesting but dated as fuck and only really good from a historical standpoint, and the Tibetan Book of the Dead is cool but also mostly historical. Everything else on that list is garbage and / or useless.
>>28408063If you want to follow GD style magic it is needed. If not, no.
>>28408144Should I just download the mega file and go from there then? What would you recommend
Completely mundane and possibly stupid question, but is there any association between any occult practice and crude petrol/oil? I've been having messed up nightmares where people bleed oil, bathe themselves with oil etc and it piqued my curiosity
>>28408156Chaos magic is more my flavor, so I guess I'll stick to self made stuff for now then. Ty anon
>>28408063You could use the Star Ruby. What's your problem with the LBRP?
>>28408194Read this, and start practicing from Liber O immediatelyhttps://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib6
is there a phone app that will remind you of the times to do resh adorations and give you 15 minute heads up? Is this marketable?
>>28408440Why not just set up an alarmclock that alerts every day at the correct time?
>>28408434I don't want to jump arse first into practising magic as a novice that seems like a terrible ideaMy thought process was to understand the lore/fundamentals first, some background info etc before even trying a harmless beginner ritual or spell
>>28408563the times of sunsets/sunrises are relative and change daily. This is basic knowledge.
what can you actually do with "occult and magic"?
>>28408648Study. I wont be practising anything until I can have a casual conversation about a heavy amount of knowledgeI've had problems in the past with jumping into magical shit before without proper understanding when I was a teenager. Dont want to do that again
>>28408626True, if you want to be that precise. But if you can see the sun rising for an hour or two for example, does the exact time really matter? Some people even say that you can adore your own "inner" sun if adoring the real sun at the real time is not suitable for your timetable.Anyway, sounds good that you want to be precise with your practice.
>>28408666satanic tripsam I missing something or can you actually do magical shit.
>>28408679Yeah I have a natural affinity towards it and have affected my reality before but I want study the materials first instead of the rookie mistake of ritualism before understanding.
>>28408690can you give me an example of what you can do?
>>28408623Then some of the books in that guide are appropriate - Agrippa, Sepher Yetzirah, Secret Teachings. I'd start with Regardie's Golden Dawn and Tree of Life, though.
>>28408671>Some people even say that you can adore your own "inner" sun if adoring the real sun at the real time is not suitable for your timetableAh, I didn't know. I'm doing this all alone and this place is my only support if I need help. thanks for the insight.
>>28408623The lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram is perfectly safe. I'm not saying you should jump straight in to summoning goetic demons with no experience. There's a greater risk in getting stuck in theoretical stuff and ending up an armchair occultist. Magic is fundamentally practical, so if you want to learn you should start practicing as soon as possible. How will you know when you've learned enough of the theoretical fundamentals to actually start practicing the simplest, safest ritual possible?
>>28408714Personally I'd still prefer adoring the real physical sun at the right time if possible.
>>28408699I wont go into detail but it was to do with the intentions of my thoughts affecting my reality. I had no idea I was performing a ritual at the time but turns out I was. It was crazy and I thought I was turning into a schizophrenic but the moment I made a concious effort to stop projecting it into my reality it died down. Initially I thought it was conformation bias but there were too many interlinked coincidences at the time to be that.
>>28408690You could also study tarot and astrology, which you will want to eventually, without doing any rituals.
>>28408700Okay>>28408715Yeah thats also a concern for me too. I think I will know when the time is right though.>>28408746I study astrology at a novice level just now because the stock market is linked to it. Very useful tool. (slightly off topic).
>>28408777what are the odds of me getting 666 and 777 in a thread about occultism
>>28408690Also learn to meditate.
i've read most of regardies stuff, currently reading dion fortune's mystical qabalah and also been performing the banishing/invoking rituals daily for over a month now and of course meditating, i guess i'm ready for the middle pillar.what am i in for?
>>28408790>>28408790liber 777 is one of the first books you will want to "memorize" But I second a book on the tree of life (mystical qabalah), a book on tarot symbolism ( practical guide to qabalalistic symbolism) and a correspondence book (777) You can also read regardie's 1 year manual.
>>28408842I've screenshotted your msg and will have a look once the mega link is downloaded thanks
at this point do you really have to "go through" your previous incarnations? anybody here remember what they were in their previous lives?
>>28408665>what can you actually do with "occult and magic"?A lot.>>28408805Meh. The visualizations helped with my Kabbalistic Crosses.>>28408882No, and bits here and there.
>>28408882I'm pretty sure I was Fernando Pessoa
>>28408805Do the whole Tree, not just the middle pillar. You'll memorize the divine names faster that way, anyway. >>28408882As Anon said, bits and pieces. Images, feelings.
>>28410592my north node is in scorpio and my moon is sagittarius. spirituality is definitely my calling and magick it is. i've done the middle pillar a few times and i felt extremely strong white energy going through me. also just doing the pentagram rituals, meditating and reading books for hours daily has changed my perspectice of the world a lot.i think i will practice the middle pillar for a few months now just like regardie said and then move on to the other two pillars b and a. after that i will start following this pic related book i think..t. neophyte
>>28410797>my north node is in scorpio and my moon is sagittarius. spirituality is definitely my calling and magick it is.Good for you. >i think i will practice the middle pillar for a few months now just like regardie said and then move on to the other two pillars b and a. after that i will start following this pic related book i think..Looks like you got all the answers, so by all means.
What are yours thoughts on how beliefs can impact us spiritually?Very often we hear about how beliefs impact us mentally or physically or socially....but what about spiritually? How does that affect us?
breathing and relaxation techniques are underrated in a lot of occult stuff, i think they are essential for ritual work and life in general. breathing and relaxing. breathing with your full lungs and relaxing deeply.>>28410997what do you mean by spirituality in this case? sure, beliefs affect your reality to some extent...
>>28405386Heka heka hekate yes boyo
>>28411029Well by spiritually, I mean our soul, spirit, magic itself, etc.Basically beliefs do impact mental, physical and social stuff, but how does belief impact our magic, spiritual goals whatever they may be, etc.How does belief impact karma itself for instance or Enlightenment and so on as a few examplesIf reality was the simulation and the esoteric being the hacking/analysis/etc. of the simulation...how does belief impact the hacking/analysis, etc.?
>>28411081Magic still doesn't make a lick of god damn sense to me and I don't want it to.
>>28411081i may sound simple, but rituals work any way even if you don't believe in them. but obviously belief in them will make them stronger.>>28411114how so? to me personally magick has been the most logical thing in this world full of illusions and delusions.
>>28408882Try akheshaic records. I haven't really noticed being very useful for me. Maybe I have to do it more often. I've met my dead and also a coal miner. Shit was mildly interesting. Not really profound, but more so interesting.
>>28411130Take the current materialist paradigm that most normies are in and then look at the occult. Makes ZERO sense.
>>28411130I do agree, thing is belief IS a factor but NOT the only factor which I think most people miss and thus place too much importance on it or too little.>>28411161>>28411130Also illogical doesn't necessarily mean false nor does logical mean truthand vice versa
Practicing any of this will bring you to the lake of fire for all eternity. Repent.
>>28411161That just comes from scientism. Science cannot do anything to disprove the immaterial and magic, and anyone with a truly scientific approach would experiment with magic themselves to determine that it's true.
>>28411426YesScience as the default paradigm quite limits us...in fact making anything the "default" paradigm does limit us quite a bit...after all even occultists aren't "right" 100% of the time
>>28411407>>28411377>>28410853scratch thathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_81XGIIG14he's lbrp is weird, what's your opinion on the matter? wish someone who is an adept or something would explain this to me.
>>28410997Belief is a product of the mind, so it tends to wash right off of the spirit. It will affect spirituality as far as your mind does - being limited by beliefs of what you think you are, what you think the world is, and what you think spirituality is.>>28411114>I don't want it toThen why are you here? >>28411256Belief is a tool at best and a crutch at worst. Magic should work regardless of belief. >>28411313Wrong.
>>28411755You make some great points on beliefBut doesn't everything intersect with each other? After all the spirit affects the body and the body can potentially affect the spirit isn't it so?
Update: MEGA just terminated my account for trying to download all those books in the OPFugg
>>28411779Products of the mind either serve the spirit or obstruct it.
So there's tons of stuff out there for contacting your Higher Self / HGA / whateverWhat are some methods to contact your Lower Self / Shadow / whatever? I feel like ignoring that big of an aspect of yourself is a bad move, even if that aspect is kind of an asshole.
>>28411984Carl Jung and others have wrote extensively on this called "integrating the shadow self"in fact it's one of the things you need to do precisely to get in touch with your "higher self" as we are all one
>>28412012I'm genuinely confused as to how I read up on Jung and missed that.
>>28412012and how would you contact them?
>>28406390He's pretty much taken the route of most magicians. Making money by selling courses and such. Nothing wrong with capitalism or entrepreneurship, but I think about two things:1. Those who can't, teach2. You could have magicked up an income stream from something far more lucrative, my dude
>>28411894You guys need a MEGA account to download stuff? I've just been downloading selectively
>>28410853I like his reviews but he butchers his explanations when he tries to make them scientific. I remember one vid when he went all out on quantum mechanics using it to explain something and he went the popsci route of "quantum mechanics tells us your conciousness makes thingssg real bro". No dude, the one physics postulate that can sorta cause that misconception is the measurement problem, which literally says the following " to measure the properties of a thing, you need to interact with it, which in turn, changes it's properties". It doesn't talk about conciousness directly in any way, the interactions mentioned are synonymous to poking.I am aware that there are hidden laws that we haven't formalized yet but there is no present rigurous theory in table top physics that says something about our minds having powers to change the world, even if it may be so. I just don't like when people talk out of their ass to make a point, even if the point is right. He's good in other videos though.>>28406148The Nemeton
>>28412184I've been doing it individually now. Lol I had no idea you could just go into preview and download it separately
>>28412414>I like his reviews but he butchers his explanations when he tries to make them scientific.I found him very recently and found his videos very interesting stuff, good book reviews. I agree with you, when talking about quantum mechanics a lot of people talk out of their asses.But with pretty much all the occult and magick stuff, I take this (videos, books etc) with a grain of salt and as starting points for my own investigations on the topics discussed
>>28412565>>28412184What i did was just leave the download in the background, there was a 10gb per day limit so it took 5 days to download. not that hard.
>>28412583>>28412414You guys didn't answer what you think about his weird lbrp version.
>>28412594I personally don't perform the LBRP, when doing banishing I use a technique from a Stephen Mace book,He explains his take thought? he also shows in a different video the golden dawn one and his own "heretical" version
>>28412613Why don't you perform it?
>>28412168Number of ways whether it be through meditation or rituals, etc.Find a way to connect to your most inner base desires and then focus on that. Then build on from there whether it be through meditating or rituals or whatever else method could even involve scrying mirrors
>>28412594There are at least 3-4 valid ways to organize the elements, so finding another isn't any kind of got'cha. If it works for him so be it, but there are uses to conventional methods.
>>28410592>Do the whole TreeRecommended resources/readings?
>>28412717Crowley, Aleister, 1909, Liber 777 col. V.
>>28412585>there was a 10gb per day limitI browsed through the whole catalogue and saw that not everything was useful for me. I've downloaded maybe 25 pdfs.
>>28412583Based anon, a wise man of good taste>>28412594>>28412613I don't do it either, banishing is like marking your territory, if a banishing ritual doesn't fit with me I don't do it. My banishing ritual is touching the walls of the room while I state "While I am, the bad is banished, where I am, evil and discomfort is met with violent power than knows no match" .You can do whatever you want with a banishing ritual to make it serve it's purpose, that of protecting you and cleaning your space from unwanted shit. Take for example Vitimus' expecto patronum or his rings of fire banishing, they are unconventional to say the least, but they're filled with imagery that makes you feel safe and protected.
>>28407913>>28407170This is basic hermetic knowledge, as above so below, there is polarity in everything. >>28408050The physical body is not the only body we are composed of. There is the physical, the ether, and the astral, other interpretations will add extra, such as the mental or causal.There is no way to bring your physical body to other planes of existence, as there is no need to. The physical is fleeting, the astral is eternal.
>>28412772>There is no way to bring your physical body to other planes of existence, as there is no need toI know there's no need to but I've heard of people who have ascended and disappear from the face of the earth without a trace. I figure that if i am able to do with my physical body as I please this way, then changing reality would be a walk in the park because there would no longer be a concious distinction between the every day world and the other dimensions.
>>28412816What I'm thinking of is something the likes of Mr. Nobody from the Doom Patrol comics.>pic rel
Please tell me about Yahweh.
>>28412816Upon coming to the true realization that you are immortal is what will set you free.Socrates knew this, which is why upon his death, he feared not that he would die, but that logos would die with him.There is a reason those who ascend disappear, they are truely learned, and understand there is no reason to bother "changing reality" on this infernal plane. For the beauty of nature is vast, it is ever fleeting. Alexander sought to rule over all, but this led to his destruction. While aristotle's ideas are immortal, alexander is only remembered fleetingly in history most have forgotten. So true it rings that most practicioners of "black magic" seek to rule over what little scrap of this earth they can scrape out, once the end of their lives draw near they resort to vampirism to keep from upholding their side of the pact.Essentially, once you come to true realization, you will understand that there is nothing to gain from controlling "reality", as the physical plane is nothing compared to the vast greatness of what lies beyond. I say this to discourage you from leading down a destructive path, but I will reiterate that, as far as I am concerned, there is no way to bring your physical body along with you. You already have the power to change reality, many ask spirits for riches or treasures, this is why magick was actually taught to a good deal of people in America, for strictly material gain. If you truly wish to influnce reality, the information has been laid out for a while. There is no easy way to accomplish anything, and nothing worth accomplishing is done easily.
Where should I start if I want to learn demonology?
>>28412911Look in the /omg/ library. Sounds like magick to me, just don't do anything stupid like sign over your immortal soul, and make sure to create a proper circle so you aren't held at the mercy of any spirit.
>>28412935Yeah, I'm looking in the /omg/ library, but it's a pretty extensive collection. Is there an author or specific text I should look at?
>>28412946The term demon is a misnomer, and usually stands for elementals. The Secret Teachings of the Ages and The Basics of Magick are a good start.Secret Teachings especially if you want to learn a lot about terms, and draw similarities from old occult and modern occultism.
>>28411755One time when I took LSD and MDMA I was talking, literally talking to another "person" in my head who answered normally to me questions and what I said, just like someone would do in a conversation, was that my HGA talking to me? The voice was male and kind of gently but brutally honest about my flaws for example. It lasted maybe half an hour.
wish i started practicing this earlier, i spent years in denial about starting ceremonial magick and just fucking did nothing
>>28413030better late than never anon
Is there any way that I can artificially induce a possession?
PLEASE someone post that quote from crowley where he critizices Christian magick and /loa/ etc saying it needs an vehicle etc. to work. I will bless you with good health and fortune if you help me. Thank you!
Is it true that if you follow someone else's magical system, part of the power gets absorbed by its creator?
Wasnt someome posting a different liber o link than the sacredtexts & hermetic.com ones in previous generals? I cant find it now & it looked waay better in my browser
Hey honestly, I'm starting to think that Neville Goddard was actually a person with evil intention for watering down Magick and kind of misleading people even though he studied the Qabalah etc. I thought if you start abusing your powers you will get fucked?
what's our conclusion about loa? imo it's wishful thinking for lazy people.
Will my soul be safe after my death? I fucked with the occult when I was 9-12 and I don't remember what the fuck I did but I think I fucked with black magic, I don't recall doing any ceremonies or rituals though. I just wanna know if my other worldy body is will be my own when I perish and if not, I'd like to know so that I can see what I can do to unfuck whatever it was that my retarded pubescent self did without thinking about the long run.
If you want to "keep things you had in this lifetime" you should start practicing some magick. There are simple and safe rituals to strengthen your aura. What I mean that when your aura is strong and unpenetrable, niin you just don't react to other things or get carrried away by them.Doing The Lesser Banishing Ritual (and invoking) daily will strengthen your aura. (crysitallise it)Same with Middle Pillar
>>28413496I'm already practicing magic, I'm >>28412767. I just wish I knew how this works better, the more I know, the less I'll piss my pants.
>>28413524What do you want to know? What kind of effects you get? (especially from the middle pillar excersise) ?
>>28413545Well I know that doing those exercises over and over again make your essence stronger but not much more than that. I'd be grateful if you could tell me what other effects there are
>>28413594Are you sure you do them properly? When you do the Middle Pillar can you feel the Sephiras wibing? Do you see intense white light? Do you feel overwhelming energy if you are circulating the energy properly?
>>28413616I'm ashamed to say I haven't tried the middle pillar, nor the LBRP. I've been a bit of a book worm and I get by using just what I can sorta understand. The tree of life feels too complex to use that way because it's hard to grasp properly, the seven hermetic axioms took me more than a week to fully boil down until I could get there, the tree of life might take me a month that way.Maybe it's time to change my approach, idk, I just wanna get better at this and understand. Sorry if I'm too much of a pain in the ass, but I know very little right now :/
>>28413676Bro, there is no reason to be ashmamed. You should be proud of yourself instead that you've been learning!. In fact i'm the kind of guy who would rather do ritual work or meditate than read books. You can also learn the rituals, they may seem hard at first, but they will become second hand to you very fast. Even if you don't execute the ritual "perfectly" it will have an effect.Also, when you have activated the Sephiras and cleaned most of the useless negative energy in yourself you will also start getting more and more messages from you higher self and feel intuition towards your goals. Remember that.
>>28413758Thanks man. I have been meditating a bit daily, about 15 minutes or so looking at the ceiling or crosses and circles I draw on white paper but I've yet to find something I can do with that focus at the level im at, other than sigils.>You can also learn the rituals, they may seem hard at first, but they will become second hand to you very fast.How did you learn them? What were your practice routines like?>When you have activated the Sephiras and cleaned most of the useless negative energy in yourself you will also start getting more and more messages from you higher self..I really hope I can get good at this desu. How much time do you think I should dedicate to practice each day?
When Crowley spoke of True Will, he was essentially talking about dharma, right?* Are there any differences between True Will and dharma?* http://www.thelema.org/publications/books/Ethics.pdf
>>28413821I just practiced. Eventually it became stronger and now it's really strong, I often see it in 3D after I've charged it, really feels like it's strong defence from outside forces.Just visualization during the day, oh yeah, read books or audiobooks, it will force your imagination to work.>I really hope I can get good at this desu. How much time do you think I should dedicate to practice each day?How much do you feel comfortable with? The quality of the ritual is better than the the amount you've done them in my opinion. But anyway, Israel Regardie recommend 2-3 times a day banishing. Honestly, I like to invoke in the morning and banish at night.I dedicate hours on this each day, and I still feel that I'm slacking and that it isn't enough. If you need anything I'd be happy to help. Anyway, just a disclaimer, I'm a total Neophyte myself, sake what I say sometimes with a grain of salt. But it doesn't still stop me from helping you.
Is the "Age of Aquarius" an attempt by the old aeon to misdirect the tidings of the Aeon of Horus and prolog its life? Or is it just a distortion of the same concept? Or something else?
>>28414089I don't know but I think being born in this timeline is a fucking lottery. All these ancient magick etc. texts FREELY available for everybody. But there are a lot of people who don't care.
>>28413985That's amazing anon! I haven't read any books other than uni stuff for almost two years now, I'll give that a go in the morning.>How much do you feel comfortable with?Well, that's hard to say. I've only done banishing, sigils and meditation for the moment. Although, when I was a teen, probably 13-14 I developed a weird "ability" I was able to make things happen or change by convincing people they would, I remember watching a volleyball game with a friend and I decided to tell him about this and he called bullshit so I proceded to make stuff happen, I told him x would trip over one of the storm drains and he did, I told him the ball would hit Y in her face and it did, I told him Z would send the ball flying over the fence and it did but he was in denial or something and he still called bullshit. These "powers" have somewhat faded over time because I stopped using them that frequently, I think I was on to something, the only thing I can relate that to now is some weird version of LoA. I'm comfortable with working with that but it sometimes feel like I'm bullshitting the universe into compliance or something lmao.>I dedicate hours on this each day, and I still feel that I'm slacking and that it isn't enough.Sounds good to me, I'll start banishing three times a day, one after I wake up, one half through the day and one before I go to rest. What do you think?
>>28414137Yeah that is true For learning magic and understanding mysticism this is the best era ever.
>>28414227Interesting. If ages had to correspond aeons in some form, the aeon of Isis can't be matched with any known past age except for maybe Cancer. Perhaps aeons are longer, or they correspond to a different dimension of human experience. Astrological ages do seem to be somewhat coherent with history, but reality being fractal and all...
>>28414247>sometimes feel like I'm bullshitting the universeI feel that way when I do sigils and I've come to believe that my angel is telling me through intuition to cut it out and seek my true will.
>>28414247Sounds good mate!.How about meditation? It's very important too. I meditate for 45mi-60min and then go outside and to walking meditation.But hey, if you are going to start the Middle Pillar (MP) I think three LBRP's are ok since MP is an invocation itself. But if you are not planning on starting the MP ritual anytime soon I would recommend that you invoke in the morning.
>>28414296>Lon Milo DuQuette commented on the connection that the Aeon of Horus had to the Age of Aquarius when he stated that "Yes, [the Aeon of Horus] is coincidental to what astrologers and songwriters call the Age of Aquarius and what millions of others refer to simply as the New Age. But it would be a mistake to view this new aeon simply as another tick on a great cosmic clock. The Age of Aquarius, profoundly significant as it is, is only one aspect of a far greater new spiritual age."It seems so.
>>28414322>How about meditation? It's very important too.I do that 15m a day, I'll start working it up to 30m and see how things go from there>I would recommend that you invoke in the morningWhich invocation should I do? What am I invoking?
>>28414355Just do the LBRP but start from the top and go down to the earth (left hand) and do it the pentagrams that way and you are invoking instead of banishing.
>>28414355Banishing should be balanced with an invocation of sort you know, if you just keep baninshing all the time your environment can become too sterile.
>>28414391Umm well, but what am I invoking? Dead relatives? The All?
>>28414421Earth. The same way you are banishing unwanted energies etc from your aura. Earth also contains all other elements. LBRP is a hygiene ritual. Spiritual hygiene. It strengtens your aura, banishes unwanted energies both inside and outside among other things.
>>28414492I see, LBRP is mouthwash and this invocation is sort of like the good gut bacteria. But I'd still like to know, what do you mean by invoking Earth? It sorta sounds like invoking a manifestation of the All.
>>28412176He has devolved into a salesman, but if you watch his first ever videos, I'd say he basically made them because “something” asked him to. The beginning of his “mystery school” series can very easily lead someone to initiation.
>>28414575LIRP (lesser invoking ritual of the pentagram) strengthens your aura and your elements in you (fire, water, earth, air) while LBRP kind of cleanses them.See the picture >>28414492 when you do the LBRP or LIRP you draw the Pentagram in a way that it either invokes the earth element or banishes it. I'm not 100% sure about this but I think we invoke/banish the earth element because it contains all the other elements in it too. Also because a Neophyte starts in the bottom of tree of life which is Malkuth which corresponds to earth.
>>28414623And what it means that it cleanses for example your "air" element, air element is attributed to thinking etc. It's not like that you literal fire in you.
>>28408882I don't really follow a structured practice with grades and stuff like that, but at some point in my development I started receiving impressions and I have certainty of feeling regarding things that have happened to “me”, but not to me.You know. You can't remember, because remembering is something your brain does, and the brains who experienced that are long gone. That is not to say you can't retrieve the information and store it in your current brain. I'm just talking about the nature of memory as it relates to the soul.
>>28414391This happened to me because I didn't know what I was doing. It was rough. My magic worked because the place I lived in was positively haunted, but at the same time I became a husk. In some ways I'm still recovering, but I have become accustomed to being that way, and sometimes it feels like true death.
>>28414647Really, did it have that strong effect on you? Tell us more please. Magick is no joke btw, you need to know what you are doing.
>>28414623Thanks for the explanation. I'll ge to it in the morning then, in the mean time I'mma go to sleep now. Godspeed anon, have a great week!
>>28414655I became obsessively empty and filled that emptiness with nothing. I began swinging wildly because anything that wanted to fill that emptiness could relatively easily (constant suicidal thoughts, self-mutilation and self-destructive tendencies and the usual parasitation shenanigans) but at the same time I was (and dare I say am) very skilled at cleansing. So I could go to very elevated places a moment later.It's a very confusing state to be in because on the one hand you realize you have become pretty good at working with spirits and energies in general. But on the other hand, you find yourself filled with random garbage after the slightest interaction with the world, like some clueless non-practitioner. I never realized after you clean a space of energy, you need to “put” something in its place. Because emptiness does not exist. Everything is mind, and that mind tends to imprint itself and take on different states.Cleansing spaces with incense, for example, is actually imprinting the space with a certain dominant energy rather than “clearing” it.That is what self-teaching magic got me, I guess. I regret nothing.
>>28414696That said, the LBRP does fill the space with something. The space I used for ritual work was in great shape. So I don't think this can happen to you because of only doing the LBRP.I reached that state mainly through “energy work” clearing. Explicitly trying to remain void and my energy neutral.
Come to think of it… This began right after I stopped doing the LBRP daily, and instead decided to “roll my own system”. What a monumental fuckup lolI think the LBRP is a tool for cleaning and strengthening the aura. I don't think invocation is really needed for that. But I'm no expert. At all.
>>28414703Do you think LIRP in the morning and two LBRP's during the day/night is ok?
>>28414720I have no idea. I just explained how I royally fucked up by assuming things like these.I just remembered that my ritual room might've also filled with garbage after I stopped doing the LBRP. Perhaps the light (clairvoyantly, it looked like very brilliant colors like pic related) it filled it with, attracted things for sustenance or something.Sensitive people who didn't know about my activities spontaneously stopped in front of that room more than once and commented on it's beauty and radiant calmness, and on its “gargoyle-like” beings long after I had stopped doing rituals there.Anyway, stay in school.
>>28414720I'd like to stress, though. Do the work. It's the only way of learning. Fuck things up as needed. As long as you learn, it's growth. Be cautious, but don't be afraid.
Are the /omg/ protected? I'v yet so see spam or the typical christcuck rageposts in here.
>>28414720>>28414771Honestly, I almost had a panic attack from this shit at one point. I've been meditating very deeply and performing the banishing/invoking rituals so that all the repressed shit has been surfacing and I had intense anxiety of going insane from the LBRP.
>>28414759I did like 4 LBRP's one day because the next day I had something to do so I couldn't perform the LBRP. My friend commented that I am so calm and apparently depressed, which was surprising because I felt just fine.
>>28411143>Try akheshaic recordsUtterly bogus.>>28411256>I do agree, thing is belief IS a factorNo.>>28411984>What are some methods to contact your Lower Self / Shadow / whatever?You already are.>>28412414>The NemetonTosser.>>28412766>I browsed through the whole catalogue and saw that not everything was useful for meThere is plenty of dross.>>28412772>there is polarity in everythingNo, that's New Thought>>28412890Wikipedia is decent.>>28412959>The term demon is a misnomer, and usually stands for elementalsNo.
>>28413299>Is it true that if you follow someone else's magical system, part of the power gets absorbed by its creator?No.>>28413340>what's our conclusion about loa?Great for wine box moms.>>28413935>When Crowley spoke of True Will, he was essentially talking about dharma, right?No >>28414284>For learning magic and understanding mysticism this is the best era ever.No, it was much easier just 30 years ago.>>28414391>Banishing should be balanced with an invocation of sort you knowThe LBRP is already balanced.>>28414623>LIRP (lesser invoking ritual of the pentagram) strengthens your aura and your elements in you (fire, water, earth, air) while LBRP kind of cleanses themBoth strengthen.
Thanks for reminding me of lbrp , had issues for a while now with annoying pests
>>28415506>>28415526I get it that you simply enjoy being contrarian, but I set up a trap for you. True Will is literally synonymous with Dharma.You only had to read subsequent posts in this thread, but you were too eager to set everyone straight in your arrogance.>>28414784In a way. The only garbage people you get are edgelords like the one I replied to above. At first they are mocking skeptics, then they become aggressive in their posts trying to “prove” how everyone is wrong in their beliefs, and they ultimately become the ultimate magus know-it-all and try to antagonize everyone like that instead.It's parasitation, but at least it serves a higher purpose in that those people are secretly trying to better themselves and get over those flaws.
>>28415526>>28415941One of these days I will tell the thread what the Holy Guardian Angel is in the form of a question, and that shithead will reveal his ignorance by replying >Nolol
>>28405386The strange link between other branches of occult and Qabala is insane. This is one of the examples that blew my mind when I started my study.
>>28415941>True Will is literallyIt's not. You failed.>>28415954Not accurately, no.>>28415999What?
>>28415999Well, that's a good sign, isn't it? If different maps are describing the same territory, shouldn't they look alike?
>>28416054What's the difference between true will and dharma?
>>28416206one is yours
Why does that one guy larp? Everybody knows that he's a Neophyte tier newbie in reality.
>>28416326More than one. Don't be naive.
>>28415526>No, it was much easier just 30 years agoMaybe in america with access to libraries but in shitholes like where i am where the most occult book you can get is Harry Potter this is the best time with access to the internet.
>>28416393Books and the internet will never be an adequate substitute for real-life teachers, contacts, peers, etc.
>>28416406Who you cna find on the net, again in shitholes like here you can find zero people who know this stuff and all we've got are those books.
>>28416393You are replying to a literal larper. He just wants to be contrarian. Seems like that he didn't get past the ego demons in his initiatio.>>28416406How the fuck was it easier 30 years ago since we have internet, amazon etc. etc. now?
>>28416429I appreciate what you are saying, and don't disagree.But not only are RW groups disappearing, but the amount of bullshit spread online is outstripping and burying the good information.
For a spiritually aware normie with no occult knowledge but a basic awareness of an “otherness” energy Im able to tune in to. How does one go about cleansing my inner darkness and frailty within my psyche and establishing contact with my higher self?
>>28407892>>28407896>>28407900>>28407910>>28407996>>28408077>>28408453>>28410445>>28410452>>28410457>>28410467>>28410477>>28410489Is it wrong to kneel behind these women instead of infront of them?I mean they show their face, but the three asses of hecate surely a sight to behold. And prayers to have them sit on your face. Or just have all of them sit on you. I mean you think they would be down for a foursome?maybe an orgy?maybe they need masks. you think they'd dig on incestious shit?after all they are just sisters.
>>28416538doing the lbrp every day would help
>>28416551What do you guys think of the works by Alice Bailey? I’m into philosophy.
>>28416563Isn't it just faith healing?
FUCK can someone help me find the Crowley quote where he mocks Christian science just like LoA and talks about a "vehicle" or something. please I will bless you for it.
>>28405386I dont see any instruction that will lead newfag by the hand, just shit ton of literature.. Im interested in the subject but where should I start? I am a wagecuck, so I dont have time to read each and every book out there..Im interested in evocation.
>>28416597What are you looking for? Spiritual enlightement or materialism?
>>28414784You haven't been here long enough. >>28416563Theosophy in general is limited. They are overly obsessed with the astral. >>28416597https://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib6Read this, don't worry if it doesn't all make sense at first. It's very short.
>>28416592help. it was something like "they lack the vehicle (aka magick) to do it" and there was an anon who commented on it saying something in lines of "that describes loa"
>>28411984Why do you think contacting you higher self wouldn't naturally include coming to terms with the most negative parts of yourself? K&C doesn't just tell you the good parts of yourself, it leads to a complete understanding of who you are, including all your worst aspects. Dealing with them is already included in K&C. It's the same with the sephiroth and qliphoth. Attaining to a sephirah naturally also includes coming to terms with the negative. I can't see focusing on the pure negative of the shadow or qliphoth individually as anything but a massive risk or at least a waste of time.
Also as a normie.. is Kabbalah a good place to start off with? I’ve always been curious about it and its pre Abrahamic roots. I just want to know if it’s a useful tool of understanding or perhaps beyond. I’ve always been hell bent on finding the wisdoms of lost ancient traditions, and its pretty plain to me that the Abrahamic traditions draw from it somewhat. I’m somewhat of a believer myself but it’s obvious to me there’s much more to the picture than just biblical ponderings.
>>28416607I want to have a long-term contact with spirit.>>28416634ok, Ill read that one.
>>28416700Where can one find more on this particular subject?
>>28416700>it leads to a complete understanding of who you areHeh.
/omg/ is the only good thing about /x/
>>28416597I would recommend you take some time before going into evocations to work on your senses since you're otherwise possibly running the risk of being able to do evocations very well, but since you can't feel their presence (never mind hear or see them), you would be basically calling them to have a monologue in front of them. Also, this will probably not apply to you, but I recommend you to act normally around them (i.e. you don't have to prepare a whole, weirdly worded, script of what you want to say to them); that can be a bit boring/annoying to some of them.
Any advice on how I can better worship Lilith and Naamah? Lately I’ve been praying but I feel the urge to make an altar for them
>>28416729The qabalah is great. I recommend beginning with Dion Fortune's Mystical Qabalah or Regardie's Garden of Pomegranates. It's a lens to interpret the world symbolically.
>>28416906>to work on your sensesWhat do you mean? What can I do to improve them?
>>28416746Make a tulpa
>>28417132your ability to see, hear, etc. spirits; you improve them by doing things that utilize them (i.e for improving your claivoyance doing stuff like scrying or even simple visualization excercises). You will find tons of ways as you do your research
>>28417145I said I want to make contact with a spirit not to create one
>decided to take a break from practicing any magic in order to explore my beliefs and reaffirm what I am>started reading poetry, got into philosophy, theology, alchemy>started praying again for the first time since I left christianity almost 10 years ago>dabbled in magic again to consecrate a pendant>tfw things seem so much clearer now>tfw magic makes so much more sense and things start "clicking together" way easier>tfw having all those "so thats why this is done this way" moments>tfw my passion for the Art is shining brighter than it ever hasIs that how people back then felt?Cuz its incredible to feel this connected to something greater than yourself
>>28417239If you create one you're still in contact with it
Is it possible to create a ritual of some kind that is designed to allow an emotionally numb person to finally feel things again?
>>28417270You can try invoking elements and planets
What's your preferred method of divination?
>>28417267true, I guess. But thats not smth Im interested in.
>>28417270Sure. I would focus on the element of water, and probably go to the archangel Gabriel for help with my emotions. Alternatively you might focus on Venus to help you feel and express love, but water should be more helpful for your needs overall.
>>28417289Yijing by far. Tarot for fun.
>>28417236is there a book specifically made with info about how to improve one's senses? I would like to read that one.
>>28417304you are an inspiration to me and i want to experience kfc and complete the great work
>>28417278>>28417304That sounds good.I had an idea, I drew it in paint.My idea was that I would combine the 4 basic elements in one bowl and then place a rose quartz crystal on the mix to represent a whole body full of love. I would also point out the 4 cardial directions with candles(I would use a Slavic system of colours for the directions because I am a Slav) to strengthen the effects of the elements (the north is bound to the earth, the south is bound to fire etc.). The bowls would be placed on a pentagram enclosed by 2 circles which should probably direct the energy outwards. It might also be a good idea to add a personal item in the middle of it all to represent me(the Hermit symbolises that on the image)
>>28417365I only just realised that the circles are not centered on the image. Fuck...
>>28417365I am a novice and when II read stuff like this I get extremely discouraged and sad, because how am I supposed to know all this? There is SO MUCH stuff to digest which I don't understand and honestly often when I read some of the posts you more advanced practitioners make it's like reading an alien language.
>>28417412I am also a beginner, that's why I came here. I want to know more and my apathy is not only hindering my daily life, but my spiritual progress too.
>>28417418Have you tried meditation? t. other anon
>>28417437Yes, it calms and empties my mind, but sometimes it's hard to achieve that state. I should keep practicing, I guess?
>>28417318Godspeed.>>28417365While that isn't how I'd go about it, by all means you should do it. Creativity is valuable so long as your reasoning is internally consistent. Although generally the circle will contain something rather direct outwards, but if you're using a representation of yourself in the middle then that's perfectly fine. You want that representation to be the foci. Ultimately this is sorcery at its best - sorcery used to make yourself a better person. >>28417412Read, listen, and ask questions. Most importantly, practice. You'll never understand without the experience.
>>28416301You just blew my mind. Thank you!
>>28416634>they are overly obsessed with the astralAnd their obsession spilled into new age, which they indirectly funded and promoted.I don't think that's an accident.
What's the difference between magic, sorcery, and witchcraft?
>>28417549>generally the circle will contain something rather direct outwardsMaybe I should add triangles pointing away from the center to let it out, just for good measure?>this is sorcery at bestI am not very knowledgeable, but I understand the basics of how magic functions. I would like to know more about sorcery, if you would like to share.
>>28416747There was a book someone posted in a previous thread. I forgot its title. Something about metamagick (the subject, not the title). Since OP was a faggot I can't find the previous threads.>>28417608Different terms make different magician's egos tickle and others make them cringe.
>>28416837/loa/ is not bad if you can stop for a moment being an elitist faggot and understand it's an entry point to greater works.
>>28416729>I’ve always been curious about it and its pre Abrahamic rootsWhat are those?>>28416764Why is this book spammed repeatedly? Will it not sell?>>28416907Become a cock-eating screech owl.>>28417289I Ching>>28417675>/loa/ is not bad if you can stop for a moment being an elitist faggotIt's easier, if you're already a pleb.
>>28417596Probably not, no. I was just remembering my meeting with theosophists this morning. The leader was an egomaniac, and reacted really poorly to contrasting opinion. Droned on and on about how only they had the keys to spirituality, and that Crowley and co. were insane. How he read all the "Dee stuff" but didn't find it useful, lol. >>28417608On some level, magic is magic, and people will have contrasting definitions. I define sorcery as manipulating what's already present in the world, whereas I view magic as bringing something new down here. But these are flawed and very holistic definitions. I usually just say I do magic, and sometimes call it sorcery if I'm messing with the world (for good or bad). Sometimes it's stupid sorcery like casting a sigil to improve myself, other times it's high magic to undergo a mystical experience. Witchcraft is a series of folk practices within fairly specific cultural contexts. >>28417613I would just focus on the center. I assume you want to focus the effects on yourself rather than leak out elsewhere.
>>28417726Ok, I will focus on the center. Thanks for the help!
How come some of you are so egoistic? One of the first lessons in my practice to learn was to realize the ugly side of the ego. Do you practice "spiritual egotism"?
>>28405386Any practice that will help me forget something?
>>28417836Like what? Your car keys?
>>28416907Hypnagogic prayer. It is a powerful method meant to trigger initiatory dreams. Warning: the entities you mention are considered to be demons by many.
what should i read regarding teleportation/portals?
There was this amateur guy on YouTube who would "work" with demons without proper protection and he also seemed pretty miserable always, does anybody remember the channel's name?
>>28417823Happy to help. >>28417897VK Jehannum?
>>28417824Who is sitting in judgement, if not your ego?
>>28417846Just general memories
>>28417824He's a mirror for the rest of us. And an example.
>>28417824Can't someone act egoistic without actually being egoistic?
>>28418149ask yourself if someone acts racists/homophobic/like an arsehole,etc does that mean they are a racist/arsehole/ect?
>>does that man they are not, sorry about that
>>28414492I was invoking and banishing air like a dumbass
>>28418348Well at least it purified that aspect of your self.
>>28418358What do all the elements do again?
LBRP-er here, when do i start the -really- cool shit?
>>28418369They represent a lot of things. You can google or read from a book. Air element has a lot to do with thinking for example.
>>28418383The middle pillar is cool shit, especially when you balance all the other energy centers. You will literally enter a place where your ego disappears and there is only BRIGHT LIGHT and you realize you are god momentarily, its ecstatic. But then your ego realizes it and starts to ling onto things to exist.
>>28417917>VK JehannumLooking at him and E. A. Koetting is enough to scare anyone away from goetia, lest they become ultra faggots. How long until they become born again Protestant evangelical fundamentalists? >>28418401What’s the most associated with yesod and lust?
>>28418304What if they're trying to teach you something?
>>28418413Yesod is associated with air, but I think fire is closer to lust
>>28418407>and there is only BRIGHT LIGHT and you realize you are god momentarilyBecome a living lighting bulb!
>>28418475Can I practice lbrp after drinking?
>>28418497I don't see why not, just record how it affects the ritual
What's your opinion on this book?
>>28412997I have a committee of six that I talk to
So what's the difference between "heh" and "no?"
What's your magickal motto? Mine is "I admit everything but confess nothing".
>>28418543It's good bro. It's a textbook on how to meditate
>>28418664I agree. It's very well written. Helped my meditation practice tremendously.
>>28418655>"I admit everything but confess nothing".Wasn't that Bart Simpson's motto?
>>28418687Frater Ay Caramba.
>>28418687Lol no. But it's my motto, in another language it is "myönnän kaiken, en paljasta mitään" which sounds better. I will need to learn the latin version too.It has a lot of correspondences with the Neophyte grade too and Harpocrates and silence etc. and with my personality and planets.
>>28418655"The unexamined life is not worth living" in ancient greek was my first motto. After choosing my current one I realized it basically says the same thing.
>>28418383Search for the headless rite. Gordon White has a neat version. Cool shit is guaranteed to happen.
>>28418497I did once and I shortly began having explosive diarrhea and vomiting. I was very drunk and I had eaten a lot though.
>>28418655Know yourself. I just realized, but that is what I consider number one rule to everything, on all levels. It is the impulse of creation itself ffs.
i was debating with a friend and told him that hes god just like i am god and he started saying "well if im god then how come i cant (for example) throw that mountain away or greate a new big bang?"
any possible way to sever connections to spirits made by offering blood?
>>28419119Time and distance, blood ain't forever. Just banish often, don't dwell on it, pray to God, and keep your home clean. Keep a healthy mind, body, and spirit and it won't have much to cling to - provided you stop contact. If you keep going back of your own volition then it's on you.Also remove any associated objects like sigils. Burn them or bury them at a crossroad.
>>28419193Lot of trolls this time.
Honest question, can you become friends with a spirit?
>>28419252Yeah. That's okay, I'm learning the art of burning karma. >>28419261Not in the way you think.
Thoughts on practicing hellenic polytheism as a religion?
The ONA dark gods, where do they fit in?
>>28419325Do you think you'll be able to complete the Work during this lifetime?
>>28419339See no real reason to unless you can trace your lineage back to ancient times and *really* like your ancestry.
>>28419380I know my will, and can happily continue in it until the end of time. In that regard, there is no completion. The work is under my feet, and is completed in each step upon the point here and now. But I don't plan on coming back, if that's what you mean. I can feel the abyss in the distance, what they say about momentum hurtling you towards it appears to be true. If I die today then I'll be done in the next life, or the one after. Until then, I do my work steadily.
>>28419602What your true will?
>>28419440What would you recommend?
>>28419634You're probably a westerner, North american or european right? Just be christian really.
>>28419659No, no I am not.You?
>>28419677Then where are you from? I am european so i remain catholic.
>>28419617The word of my will is DIN. Judgement, or Justice. As I have continued in Knowledge and Conversation the idea has developed to include several interlinking concepts that work in tandem. Consider it like a personal dao, or a way of life that is suitable to take me through the world. Against which every moment is weighed.There are also specific provisions and instructions which are not for me to say.
>>28419712A place you hate full of people you want to destroy.A Catholic/Buddhist/Occultist that banishes every day and doesn't afraid of anything?
>>28405386my wife and i are convinced she is cursed, every single thing that can go wrong has gone wrong but it only effects her. what kind of cleansing/decursing things are there that i should look into?
>>28419794That's a lot of places in the world mate, can you give a specific country or atleast a region?Christian and buddhist... Are you from south east asia or something?
>>28419947Fairy folklore, I guess.I would also add UFOs, but then I would be repeating myself.
>>28419842Wipe down everything you can in Florida water, on your hands and knees. A natural lemon wash is fine too, but regardless bless it however you wish beforehand. Have her take ritual salt baths with the specific intent of cleaning off any negative influence.Burn sage through the home, draw crosses with the smoke and say a brief prayer over every door, window, and other portal. Including mirrors and closets. If you object to the cross, then draw around the border instead.If you have anything iron, wave it all around your bodies. Something old and heavy is a good choice. Pray, nightly, to be shielded from negative influence and to purify you and your space. First to God, then to the archangel Michael for support. Michael is happy to defend those in need.Last, and probably best, is to perform the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram daily. I listed this last because I assume you are not magicians already and the first are more accessible.Through this process, you want to go about your life normally. Don't dwell on it, especially after doing all this. Enjoy life and live happily. If, IF there is foul play then it will pass with time. The rest of this is merely to support you in between. I've employed all these in tandem to successfully clean away the stench of a demon.
>>28419941Yes, I am Asia.What part of Europe are you from, mate?
>>28420022Balkans, just do whatever your culture is as you've got historical ties with it.My gamily has been catholic for 500 years, before that orthodox and before that roman pagan, i try to keep my stuff aligned to greco-roman paganism and general christianity because of that (which is easy as most magick is that way)
What benefit is there in teaching other people magic? What is the kickback?
>>28420790We're obligated to pay forward the good grace we've received. We can never pay it all back, but we do what we can.
>>28420953Why? Who made these rules? Why must they be obeyed?