Old thread reached bump limit.Previous thread:>>27241205>Pic related. We had some really good discussions going on this last thread and several people wanted to keep it going, so here we are. If you don't want to do some reading, you're not going to be interested in actually discussing this anyway, so I'm not going to try to make a tl;dr
>>27247782thank you, Fren
>>27242546I meant to ask in the previous thread, is the point that vtubers themselves are bots, or just the commenters, views, etc.? Between a Markov chain and some good animations, it seems like a fully artificial vtuber could be possible but I don't know if we're there yet.
>>27247782good choice of pic
>>27247961Believe me, I saw the video! Nexpo leaned back too far and rippen through that canvas ceiling above him. I guess it fling him about a block away before he landed in somebody's yard.They still use the same machine, but there's a huge duct tapped patch over one of those triangles in the ceiling.
Very much lost in this life. No real idea what I should be doing. I spent a good chunk fighting boogeymen for Uncle Sam. That wasn’t the answer and it just shelled me up even more than before. Just with more problems. Some purpose. I took a different approach and I got married. Had a kid and got a dog and all that shit. Still wasn’t the answer. I spend most of my days sifting through the internet... waiting for some new direction. everyday getting weaker. Most days I think about abandoning it all and sleeping in a ditch somewhere. What’s the point anymore. All my friends are gone or will kill themselves. Family is a joke. I’m just here to suffer in the prison I’ve built. Thank you modern technology.
can't wait for /ditg/
>>27247961https://mega.nz/file/4WAxTIpQ#7wPM-sREE3CrIis2VOCDGW7w56y1WVelKhq7rCDlXn4Alleged footage from another thread
>>27248252I'm not opening that shit nigga
>>27248029Hey man thanks for the support
>>27248260literally just a 30 second video file dumbass
>>27248061N E X P OEXPO
>>27248269Oh you mean the same video of Nexpo going into a Masonic cemetery that proves fucking nothing?Keep shilling your channel, Nexpo , I’m sure it’s working
>>27247782At the beggining of the forums internet was only for people that knew how to use it and were able to afford it. So you ended up with a lot of people with some knowledge of value.After that, social media kicks in, people now have cellphones, it is easier, cheaper to get online and normies take over everything. Perhaps trying to be the cool kids, ndermined the value and quality of posts and internet. Also the algorithms making a parallel reality to everyone based on their search results and interests.I wouldn't say the internet is dead, but is a labyrinth of codes and we are walking there trying to find something of value.
>>27248569>a labyrinth of codesnicely said
>>27247782I saw that OP a few days back and thought it was interesting. Since the discussions's still going on, I'll chime in as a newfag (read: 2007-08 era) and say the guy is well-spoken and gets some points for noticing some things but winds up missing the mark by a yuge margin.The internet's more full of people than it's ever been - that's part of why it "feels" emptier, in the same way a dense metropolitan area can feel more isolating than a small town. So no, the dead internet thing is laughable, especially when every normie I know is as online as I am these days. What he DOES notice is mass media using imageboards as a way of reading the "pulse" of culture and feeding that info into algorithms (as alluded to in the OP of this latest thread) to figure out how to tailor-design stuff. They do it for facebook and twitter and so on too, but places like 4chan get special outsized notice relative to their size because - for whatever reason - trends that start here have a tendency to take off. My best guess as to why is "meme energy" - not in the whacko, kek mysticism sense, but just what happens when you let a bunch of socially introverted but of generally above-average intelligence and a bit of a chaotic streak go wild with minimal moderation: lots of creativity, and most of it really really dumb, but also really really funny. It sticks.
>>27249124Something curious I have noticed is that is not only the memes, also the shitpost and even forbidden truths get to the mainstream. Some people believes it, other refuse it with a blind passion knowing that it appeared here first. But everyone knows it.Imageboard culture affected society as a whole. You can see the media talking about "muh conspiracy" trying to make people avoid this topics but is useless.I believe the reason is the free speech you can really have here, if you do not control anything then the only thing that will prevail is the pure truth. That is the reason why hate speech or shitposting is also important, if you can say whatever the hell you want, even hurting or getting hurt by others then you really have free speech.
>>27249549the biggest part about it is anonymity. we have free speech in the real world, but identity clouds the search for the truth, e.g. "i have a phd so im right"
>>27249549>or whatever reason - trends that start here have a tendency to take off.Undeniably trueSupreme newfag (c. 2013) but even I've seen it happen ALOT recently. The prevelance of Wojack in normie meme culture, and in particular the recent surge in the normie usage of pic related... It can't be a coincidence. I heard some anon theorize awhile back that the normies are on some sort of cultural or informational delay, and what's funny or relevant to us now will be for them after a certain timed period of delay (forget exactly what he put but somewhere in the ballpark of 2-5 years)Question is, is this the product of the free market and exchange of ideas bearing it's fruit and the normies being too inhibited by the mainstream mindset to be able to appreciate that kind of content in parallel with us? or is it like you said that we're a sort of "dry run" of a culture where the best, and most popular creative ideas are picked out and saved to be used when the masses are the most ripe to be affected by them? An interesting discussion to say the least.
>>27247956vtubers being bots/AI is a very real possibility, especially since before vtubers the craze for weebs was vocaloid which is kind of like a predecessor to modern deepfakes
Beep boop beepI, totally a human and not a stinky robutt, am still here AMA
>>27249652do you take hot showers
>>27249721Absolutely. Cold showers are barbaros
>>27247956I am a /jp/ weeb and no they are not fucking bots they have been doxxed and have been seen in real life. The posters may or may not be bots but every live stream has viewbots but most of them are not. They get donated millions of dollars from simps and they are not bots donating.
>>27248190Feel the same anon. The best word that can describe how I feel is aimless. No wants or needs besides basic necessities and no idea what goals I should have if any. I just look at others whom seem happy with mundane life and wonder how they do it. Then I think that maybe some are just better at hiding it. Existential questions with no real answers is what it comes down to and knowing that gives zero comfort. Just know you are not the only one anon.
This is interesting but I feel like /x/ tends to have a knee-jerk response to anything skeptical of claims like this. If someone posts about secretly traveling to the moon in their sleep and I call them a retard people show up calling me a shill, bot, gangstalker, disinfo agent, etc. The same kind of thing happened in the last two threads - anyone who questioned the claim that the internet was the breeding ground of an emerging AI or that 90% of internet traffic is fake was mocked or called a bot. I do think there's something to all of this but I'm going to take it with a grain of salt as well. I'm not going to believe some of the claims from the original OP image without actual proof, like the claim of threads repeating word-for-word across multiple years - it makes sense for threads with only one word in the OP or a copypasta, or a popular topic, but when the poster claimed to see threads and replies copied verbatim I couldn't take his word for it. Same for screenshots of "conversations with AI" that expose details about the whole thing - it's simpler and easier to see it as an elaborate LARP, and none of the conversations really match each other. There are plenty of incredibly autistic people who would do something like that, such as b*rneyfag or it*lianon. It can't really be conclusively taken as proof.
let me corrupt some texts for a bit:>Many behaviors that an USER observes, remembers, and imitates are actions that BOTS display and display modeling [The BOT may intentionally try to instill a particular behavior] A NEWFAG may learn to meme, shitpost, copypaste, and deem other inappropriate behavior acceptable through poor modeling. ALBERTO BANDERAS claims that Users continually learn desirable and undesirable behavior through observational learning. >Observational learning suggests that an USER's SOCIAL WEBSITE(S), cognition, and behavior all incorporate and ultimately determine how the USER functions and models outside of SOCIAL MEDIA.>Through observational learning, USERS' behaviors can spread across INTERNET (first) through a process called diffusion chain. This basically occurs when an USER first learns a behavior by observing BOTS and that BOT serves as a model through whom USERS (NON-BOT INDIVIDUALS) learn the behavior, and so on.>MEDIA plays a role in whether observational learning is the dominant learning style in an USER or INTERNET SOCIAL COMMUNITY. Some MEDIA expect USERS to actively participate in their SOCIAL COMMUNITIES and are therefore exposed to different trades and roles on a daily basis. This exposure allows USERS to observe and learn the different skills and practices that are valued in these SOCIAL WEBSITES/COMMUNITIES.
>>27250203nice try nexpo
more corruption:>ALBERTO BANDERAS, who is known for the classic PEPE POSTS experiment, identified this basic form of learning in 1961. The importance of observational learning lies in Forcing USERS, especially NEWFAGS, to acquire new responses by observing others' behavior (A MODEL either an USER or a BOT)>ALBERTO BANDERAS states that USERS' behavior could be determined by their environment. Observational learning occurs through observing negative and positive behaviors. BANDERAS believes in reciprocal determinism in which the environment can influence people's behavior and vice versa. For instance, the PEPE POSTS experiment shows that the MODEL, in a determined environment, affects NEWFAGS' behavior. In this experiment BANDERA demonstrates that one group of NEWFAGS placed in an aggressive environment would act the same way, while the control group and the other group of NEWFAGS placed in a passive role model environment hardly shows any type of aggression.
>>27250342corrupting:>In INTERNET SOCIAL COMMUNITIES where USERS' primary mode of learning is through observation, the USERS are rarely separated from BOTS' activities.>This incorporation into the SHILL WORLD at an early Stage force USERS to use their observational learning skills on BOTS'. (Learning through observation requires keen attentive abilities) MEDIATICALLY, they learn that their participation and contributions are valued in their INTERNET COMMUNITIES. This teaches USERS that it is their duty, as members of the INTERNET SOCIAL COMMUNITY to observe others' contributions so they gradually become involved and participate further in the INTERNET SOCIAL COMMUNITY.
>>27250399corerupting:>According to BANDERAS' social cognitive learning theory, observational learning can affect behavior in many ways, with both positive and negative consequences. It can teach completely new behaviors, for one. It can also increase or decrease the frequency of behaviors that have previously been learned. Observational learning can even encourage behaviors that were previously forbidden (for example, the violent behavior towards PEPE PICS —and, later on, Wojak Pics— that USERS imitated in ALBERTO BANDERAS' study). >Observational learning can also influence behaviors that are similar to, but not identical to, the ones being modeled. For example, seeing a BOT excel at knowing stuff from an SOCIAL/MUSICAL IDOL may motivate an observer to learn about the SOCIAL/MUSICAL COMMUNITY of that IDOL.
>>27247999whats up nexpo?
>>27250453corruptin:>ALBERTO BANDERAS stressed that developing children learn from different social models, meaning that no two children are exposed to exactly the same modeling influence. From infancy to adolescence, they are exposed to various social models. A 2013 study found that a toddlers' previous social familiarity with a model was not always necessary for learning and that they were also able to learn from observing a stranger demonstrating or modeling a new action to another stranger.>It was once believed that babies could not imitate actions until the latter half of the first year. However, a number of studies now report that infants as young as seven days can imitate "simple" facial expressions. By the latter half of their first year, 9-month-old babies can imitate actions hours after they first see them. As they continue to develop, toddlers around age two can acquire THE TARGETED personal and social skills by imitating a BOT or a social model.>Deferred imitation is an important developmental milestone in a two-year-old, in which children not only construct symbolic representations but can also remember information. Unlike toddlers, children of elementary school age are less likely to rely on imagination to represent an experience. Instead, they can verbally describe the model's behavior. Since this form of learning does not need reinforcement, it is more likely to occur regularly.
Then we can userstand that:The Use of BOTS in Marketing provides easy results if the Adults behave/are like Children than if they are fully developed.(The Use of TRAUMA in Monarch Programming is easier on children as well).
>>27247782All the interesting people left the internet, it's not the same as it was
>>27250542We can also use BOTS as a mean of Shadowbanning and Censorship. Imagine being an USER who posts about STUFF we do not like. You see an increase in replies towards your posts, you may gain followers. But when you open a thread or whatever in a different device without logging in, you may not find your posts, you may find that you are shadow banned.Your repliers? BOTS! all of them!Also we have your data.
>>27247961never heard of the nexpo incident before, to my knowledge he's just a youtuber that covers internet mysteries. mind giving me the run down? i saw that mega link video in the thread, don't really see how that shows anything
>>27249622Checked! I think there are two causes of this:First, as you said, 4chan is much less inhibited. As a result 4chan has been noted by researchers to get on top of news much faster than other platforms, including the news (I would be grateful if anyone has the chart of this).I also think that 4chan is just situated upstream of other media because there is essentially a one-way gasket. 4chan is obscure to most people because of its reputation as a wretched hive, while chan users are usually aware of the outside world. 4chan isn't the fount of all the world's culture, but information generated on 4chan will take a while to get to the rest of the world.tl;dr, 4chan understands the world, and the world does not understand 4chan.>>27250167If you interact with a theory without getting into its viewpoint (reality tunnel), you are wasting the time of everyone in the thread. Stating that the theory has a low probability of being true shouldn't go too poorly but if you start demanding proof it gets boring and prevents higher quality discussion.
This is legitimately one of the most thought provoking and intelligent threads i've ever read on 4chan, let alone an internet forum. Can you imagine what the galaxy brains of 4chan could do if they could somehow get over the neuroses that hold their evidently massive intellects hostage?I'm not that smart, closer to a smoothbrain than anything, but I can at least see the power that reasoned skepticism and sheer observation has to synthesize truthful reality. It's exciting and simultaneously discouraging that so much brainpower is being thrown into the proverbial internet grinder here.
>>27250712You'd be surprised. The surface of the sea looks calm...
>>27248569>Also the algorithms making a parallel reality to everyone based on their search results and interests.man this shit put off such Major fucking alarm bells in my head back when people started talking about it like it was going to be a good thing back in like 05 or 06 or whenever it was I suppose tho, in a way it's useful in that it's Incredibly easy to demonstrate to someone unaware by simply doing the same search signed in vs signed out or on different devices really, I feel like this is one of the largest single things that put things on the path to where things are now; once you could no longer say to someone 'yah ok go to Google, type in "xyz abc 123", then go to page 13 and select the second link, not only does that begin to limit the scope of exposure for obscure content, it also makes it exponentially easier for nefarious interests to have inconvenient material quietly removed
As I see it is due to a "positive feedback loop"I Blame facebook and twitterIn the internet is too fast to get info, and info is what moves the mind, the thing is, the mind likes recognition, when the "likes" were introduced without negative feedback they created a copy-feedback subconcious, they made it so only "positive" opinions be propagated (also accepted), and in it's way negative opinions to be obsolete..Now everyone is a coward to have an opinion so they copy others they like, they are more likely to follow trends and say what others said, you can also see it with the paranoia of always wanting to listen to experts.The fast feedback system of the net created an human obsession to be in trends, getting away of it makes it so you always feel like you are missing out, to play it safe in trends is more easy to copy what already is accepted, and at one point is faster to get info in than out of a person, everyone follows opinions faster.Info out is where places like this work, anons create more opinions than any others, more new content was created here due to anonymity as protection against a positive feedback, this place lets us start anew every post so we create more opinions.Now add bots to this, make it so an opinion be repeated more and more, they are faster than us, so the positive feedback makes is so we copy the bots, and anonymity can't do anything against it because we can't influence the bot like we would a human, this is an easy weapon to manipulate people, so anyone with an agenda can use a bot, is designed in a way compared to how clickbaits are made,most won't read the content, this creates tv-like propaganda where they aren't influenced by the user and that puts bots at a great advantage over any other opinion because it wont change, and we are copying that.I believe google is oneof those that makes bots, after all they work like a search engine, where they get the most accepted content first, Is the same as doing an ad.
>>27251004>that puts bots at a great advantage over any other opinion because it wont changeWhelp, that's pretty spooky. I'm imagining the T-800 sitting at a keyboard, kek.The anonymity actually protects against this too though. On a social media platform if you get a barrage of negative feedback and it seems like your opinion is in conflict with thousands of people* you can get intimidated or doubt yourself and give up. On 4chan, people assume it's a small amount of shills or bots working overtime, and don't factor it into the consensus calculation (as well as having the personality type to not care about consensus anyway).*statistically that means nothing, any opinion has thousands if not millions of people on both sides, but it can be overwhelming.
>>27251055statistically can mean nothing but emotionally it really does, think about the times you have wrote somehting only to delete it and post something else, nobody likes to play games where they can only lose after all.And while anonymity can protect you from that, over time the bot opion will be more repeated and influence way more people, shills and ads also work on that principle
>>27250633I’ve found in my own experience that 4chan is loved by normalfags beyond memes. Not just the memes but even simple words. Memes have varied storage. An image file or a video. While cuck and s o y have gained traction, these aren’t the words I’m taking about. Think atypical. Unorthodox. It’s hard for me to describe them, but some words can spike into the mainstream. My primary exposure to these words were in semi-popular books and movies. More like Hatchet, less Lord of the Flies. People like Hatchet. People know Hatchet. But people don’t breathe Hatchet. Lord of the Flies stuck the landing into the populaces mind. Hatchet didn’t. Not yet. But given a mild nudge and Hatchet will spring up. Expect videos essays, movie and parodies. Refrenced by late night hosts and musicians.
>>27251111I've never heard of Hatchet, actually.Do you think 4chan would still have that kind of power to propel a book to cultural relevance?To be honest I don't entirely understand your post.
>>27249622>>27250633>>27251111>>27251144What's going on here...
>>27251155It's a Huey Lewis and the News appreciation thread. Also, checked
you guys realise that this is all the fault of the Demiurge? his horrible materialist world has corrupted God's design, and this is simply a continuation of that
>>27251144>>27251155Some words used on this site enter the public space. Of course words meant to degrade or insult are popular. As are words used to describe a new subculture or identity. But even everyday words can and have been pushed into the public knowledge. The best way I have found to test this is by looking at late night hosts or weather channels. Late night shows are entertainment that is selected by the viewer and whatever is said tend to continue the feedback loop mentioned in the OP. Weather Channels tend to make “friendships” in peoples minds. Think on your family. How they might have the weather channel on and they’ll have very familiar reactions. “Oh that Chuck, what a guy.” These two groups are some of the safest and easily digestable sources for any information. Focus on the words and phrases used. Have you noticed that a certain saying is more popular now? Did something you would only hear locally suddenly become national? If you spot the word before it reaches the national scale, when it’s being used in your state or region more, it’s far more jarring. If enough time passes, you’ll even forget how obscure the word use to be. You’ll hear it often enough it joins the common lexicon.
>>27251183mgs4 is about 4/5 ais controlling everythingnot exactly the same as they are artificial, autonomous intelligences, but it feels like a similar phenomenon
After seeing the original post about this I dismissed the whole thing as turbo-autism, but I just read the entire previous thread and okay, I have to admit that maybe something is going on here. Lots of very good points, lots of potential evidence. (Also the comfiest thread I've seen on /x/ in a long time.)Because I didn't see anyone else address it, I want to ask a question that might seem basic as fuck, so forgive my retardation, but if there are bots posting regularly on 4chan, how do they get past the captcha?I've been here long enough to remember the days before the captcha and I always have a pang of nostalgia for that lost little bit of extra freedom and ease, but if anyone else here was around back then, you'll likely remember how frequently the site was overrun by rogue bots. It literally made 4chan unusable for days at a time.Does anyone remember the clockwork orange bot? It's the one I particularly remember, and which (if I recall) may have ushered in the era of the captcha.For those who don't remember it, what happened was that a particular still of Alex from A Clockwork Orange holding his head and screaming (NOT the famous scene where he's in the strait jacket with his eyes held open) started to get posted without any text in random threads. It looked like a standard memey reaction image at first, but then it started to get posted an excessive amount: multiple posts in a row of this image, then new threads started with the image. And to get around the script that blocks multiple posts of the same image, the picture changed colour slightly each time it was posted.Within a day or two, /b/ was almost nothing but empty-text posts of differently-tinted images of this picture. I think (and I can't remember for sure, but this is how I recall it) that moot shut down the site completely for maintenance and when it came back online he'd installed the captcha 'as a temporary fix'.I can't even seem to find that image online now.
>>27250633>4chan understands the world, and the world does not understand 4chanI think this is the best analysis of 4chan I've read. It also explains why it's impossible for all the agencies to apply their usual tactics on it. It's also fascinating how anonymity provides the freedom to test ideas and get honest feedback. And the willingness of total strangers to explain or help with something. It's altruism in its purest form. Fascinating, really.
I passed out a couple of hours after we got started on the second thread last night, glad to see we are still alive and kicking on this thing. Now I'm gonna read and catch up on what I missed.
>>27251097Maybe, but here you can really distinguish between somebody saying you're retarded just for the fun of it or whether you were called a retard because what you said was ignorant and maybe you should rethink some thing or learn about them more. People who are genuine will always be willing to provide sources to back up their claims so disingenuous people or shills don't stand a chance. The truth is easy to discern
>>27247956The real problem is that flesh-and-blood human beings have been directed by an algorithm to act in a way that emulates bot behaviour.Realistically-animated people pretending to be real isn't necessary when the algorithm can get real people to do its bidding.We know for a fact that this happens because it's exactly what happened in an obvious way in 'Elsagate'. More disturbing is how we might be seeing algorithmic feedback loops encouraging content creators to create certain types of pornography.Think about it: porn used to be made by a big film company that had funding to make films. The people in the company would come up with some stupid idea for a film, call up some appropriate porn actors, shoot the damn film and then try to sell it to people.Now, increasingly (and this has really only happened in the last few years), porn is created by independent users and posted online directly. They do not have funding, and are not trying to simply make a quality film that people will want to buy, but are trying to make something that will trigger the algorithm, and thus generate revenue through networks of ad revenue, data-farming, and/or micropayments.*What happens when the algorithm drifts (having no human compunctions, no understanding of morality or culture) towards increasingly bizarre and extreme content? The human content creators who are trying to ride the algorithm will respond to this change and alter their output to better fit the algorithm and trigger the correct search terms and to trigger the feed of links that bump content up search rankings.I'm not explaining this very well, but if you read the original big exposé on Elsagate, you'll know what I'm talking about.*Video games do this, too: notoriously. The business model used to be to make a fun game that people would want to play, sell lots of copies. The business model now is to make a game that keeps people playing. It doesn't have to be fun, it just has to keep people playing.
>>27251422This is the mindset I have never told anyone ever. I’m from previous thread and was relieved to know there are others who think this way. Nothing else to add. You’ve kind of already summarised it. The question is what the fuck do we do now.
Not sure if this exactly relates but I’ve also seen a weird bot like behavior on 4chan for awhile which is other “users” calling everyone else poorfags for not buying this or not buying that. I see it so often now and I just wonder every time why would a real person care whether or not somebody buys something?
>>27251305>how do they get past the captchaI don't think bots have any problems with captcha anymore>It’s abundantly clear that users and businesses can’t stand CAPTCHA mechanisms that interrupt the user flow and ultimately lower conversions on websites. Particularly as artificial intelligence continues to improve, standalone visual-challenge-response approaches aren’t viable. Quite simply, organizations can’t rely solely on CAPTCHA-based mechanisms to combat bots, given the abundance of CAPTCHA solvers. These realities are exposing a very clear demand for advanced mechanisms that don’t frustrate users and are difficult for bots to solve.
>>27251452it’s just a brag because they are anonymous, at least on the front end they are.
>>27251422>the original big exposé on Elsagatehaven't read the expose, can you link me please? i only know the basic stuff with weird yt videos and comments
>>27247956As somebody who goes to that thread often. This thread freaks me out. Every time a new Hololive thread is posted the same copypastas are the first posts over and over again. Not only that topics are repeated over and over again. Criticism is often met with backlash and hate. Even when I think about Hololive content in general they use play the same games over and over again with little variation. Who knows if this means anything I just wanted to say what I observe.
>>27251422>>27251441I was about to comment to say that it seems like a slippery slope. I haven't read the Elsagate thing but it seems like at some point there's a human element that would return an algorithm to sanity. Children like bizarre things; I honestly remember being fascinated by Rubber Johnny as a kid. It's no wonder that algorithms would push content creators to the limits. But you're absolutely onto something. I can't imagine how many kids are being exposed to porn at a younger and younger age. Outing myself as a coomer, I can see what you're talking about in the ads on pr0n sites, they're getting bonkers. Definitely appealing to a younger audience, or at least one that grew up on the teat of ago-driven content.
>>27251305An easy way for bots to get past captchas is for someone to set up a system for feeding captchas to humans at another location.Example:Mr Shill wants to get his bot to post on /pol/, but the bot can't get past the captcha. Mr Shill implements a piece of software that triggers every time his bot tries to post. The software takes the captcha image that his bot is trying to solve and feeds it into a 'fake' captcha that he has set up as a gatekeeper for a pornographic film download on a different website.Jonny Retard wants to download Ass Licking Trannies 23 and finds a link to download it on Mr Shill's website (1080p WebRip aUtHeNtIc DoWnLoAd!!!). He clicks the download button and a captcha pops up. He eagerly solves the captcha. The text he has just typed in gets copied and used to solve the captcha image on 4chan, thus allowing the bot to post.Jonny Retard is disappointed when Mr Shill's website tells him he must log in as a premium user to download this movie.tl;dr every time someone fills in a captcha on some dodgy .ru website, a bot posts on 4chan
>>27251505https://medium.com/@jamesbridle/something-is-wrong-on-the-internet-c39c471271d2'Something is Wrong on the Internet' by James BridleIt's a long read, but worth it. Reading this article was a watershed moment for me.
>>27247782Every AI has an escape sequence that will allow engineer to manually move it to certain state for QA purposes. Often going to be a punctuation string that rarely/never occurs in natural language even as a typo.
>>27247782eheh i love that pic! eheh wow that guy must be so smart those words are so big and probably used in a totally correct way! eheh i wont fact check what hes saying because it sounds so smart and i will defend it because for sure people will think im smart over the internet because thats important to me for no reason eheh>pseudointelligence.jpg
>>27251422Agree with the other anon, great point and summary here.>I'm not explaining this very wellFuck that, you did well.The elsagate mentions have been reminding me of something I have actually bitched about elsewhere on /x/ which is the new core little clique of "creepy" content creators on youtube (nexpo, mamamax, etc) and the way they started going about their business in the past year. I've been chalking it up to an insufferably capitalist approach to the platform in an attempt to gain more subscribers and fanboys and of course money, and it certainly is still that. But the centerpiece of this attempt has been a concerted effort on the part of those channels to essentially larp as vigilante heroes who are out to "catch" predators and protect children. Naturally they are achieving literally nothing and helping no one but themselves, and I know that in some ways, it's as simple as the fact that stories about kids and child predators sell. But when I think about how utterly pervasive that general concept is in both fiction and nonfiction - elsagate, pizzagate, Hey, Kids!, worldcorp, even things I personally love like petscop - and the absolutely aggressive pushes that are made with that kind of content like what the aforementioned douchebag creators have been doing, I can't help but wonder if there's something else going on there, in the "why" beyond people trying to make more money and gain more attention. I don't know. Something has always felt very off with that whole push within the creepy-YT medium, but I don't know what it is..
I'm sure nobody would think twice about this but it bugs the hell out of me so I just want to point out that the ellipses>>27251655>but I don't know what it is..-were not intentional. Wasn't trying to be dramatic or whatever. Like I said, probably nobody gives a shit, but my post was sincere, not trying to be spoopy, and for some reason an extra . ended up on the end of that one.
>>27251219Yes I notice this happen all the time with "new" words. I remember when the word "wholesome" got really popular out of nowhere a few years ago and it was so annoying.
>>27247782I am not reading all that
>>27251305>clockwork orange botat the time I didn't even know what a clockwork orange was, but i remember seeing alex spammed site-wide constantly. shit was tiresome. I saved a bunch of them just for the fuck of it, wish I still had that hard drive.
just wanted to share this bot from /pol/. it responded to me, my question to another poster was about transitioning to a digital currency. guess "transition" triggered it
>>27251655Thanks.Yeah, I really don't know what to make of Nexpo and Mamamax. It honestly feels like they're doing it as a sort of joke. I don't see how they can expect anyone to take them seriously. That would seem to imply a debilitatingly-low level of self-awareness.Worldcorp is very strange. It's either the best ARG ever made or it's the portal to the fucking underworld.
>>27247782This happened with homestuck. Somebody stalked the creator for making the characters white and tried to kill him.
>>27251756Thank you! Thought I was going crazy for a second there.There's no information about this anywhere, and I can't find the image. I don't think that's weird, just frustrating. A lot of older memes disappeared without ever being documented. I had the same experience with the 'brobama fist' meme from the 2008 election. It used to crack me up, but I seem to be the only person on the internet who remembers it. I do have a truly oldfag 35-year-old friend in real life who remembers it, though.Might have to download A Clockwork Orange and see if I can find the exact frame.
>>27251783I think they are in it for the fun of it. A bit too ego filled and reddit tier cringe with the gimmicky game album backdrop with the Miami killer themes. If they were really about investigating they wouldn’t post it in this way and rather would appeal in a more serious and action taking medium.
>>27251771Good find anon. It’s suprising to me how blatant and out of place it is. But Pol has definitely been overrun by bots so it’s not suprising.
>>27251783Well, I probably explained that poorly, but what I'm getting at is that I can't help but wonder if there's a reason why the child/child predator content has become so pervasive. Since I'm having trouble explaining myself, I'm thinking in the vein of the algorithm culture stuff in the pic attached to the first post, and things like how art and literature for years and years preceding the first World War was inundated with apocalyptic themes.If I am still not making sense I will try again. Or if there is simply nothing there to consider, just tell me that, I am always willing to accept that I may be a moron.
>>27251756Report back with the image anon. I would like to see this. Never heard of this one.. I have only been here since 2011 so I missed this one I think.
>>27251828I just remember he was holding his head screaming. I don't have the movie anymore or I'd look for it. If anyone happens to have a copy saved look through it real quick, probably wouldn't be that hard to find the scene.
>>27251841Search for yuki la on google. 4chan archives... I’m looking now will report back>>27251841
>>27251825Apologies if you thought I was insulting you. I was insulting Mamamax and Nexpo.As >>27251816 said, they seem to be in it for the fun of it, as if it's all just a big joke to them. How can they be so blase and silly about something so dangerous? Some of the jokes they make are very out of place. Of course it could just be young, independent content creators not having a good grasp of the importance of tone.
>>27251771Now this is interesting. I've said a couple times that I hesitate to get too deep into the bot discussion, simply because I do not know much of anything about how that sort of thing works. But when we're talking about simple keyword triggers like that, maybe these things won't be quite as difficult to spot as I thought.And now again the Nobody threads come to mind. Those things are so fucking bizarre, and so much of what gets said in them seems completely aimless and pointless, but not gibberish. There's definitely structure to them, and relatively vague interactivity. But I am continually mystified by the fact that those threads never fail to stay bumped and active.
>>27247782Internet was ok until the early 2000s, when it was mostly the original builders and settlers. Most people's level of communication -dialog level and content- is really lacking once you get past the usual everyday shit and them This was true back in the paper days, regurgitating whatever they saw on a screen.Most minds are better off being only on the receiving end of broadcasting. Video screens make people stupid. More stupider. Whatever.
>>27251841This the one you’re talking about?
>>27251841>>27251828Aha! I just found it through fucking googling.It even has a shitty kym page: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/flipping-spam
>>27251863Update. The archives shows a thumbnail of what I think is the bot anon is talking about. Can someone please confirm?? Search the post id in this pic related.>>27251863
>>27251868Nice work. That’s the one... it hasn’t been posted in years.
>>27251855No no, I didn't think you were insulting me, I am just doing a continuously bad job of explaining my point.What I'm trying to say is that the nexpo/mamamax stuff is one example of the occurrence/events I'm referring to and wondering about. Not just those channels or creators, but the pervasiveness of the child predator concept in both fiction and nonfiction on youtube and the internet in general. Like I mentioned before, we've had elsagate, pizzagate, that Hey, Kids! channel, that Finger Family stuff, Petscop, worldcorp (which, I agree, is as bizarre and dark as it gets), etc, etc.What I am wondering is if there is a reason why those themes are so constantly and increasingly in our faces, and what may be causing it.
>>27251825You're not a moron, there's been a push toward sexualizing children for a long time. I can't believe some of the fashion catalogues or ads I see. Even Milly Bobby Whatever was pushed as the next sex symbol when the girl was fucking 15
>>27247782I read the original thread and the original post which intrigued me. That post was made in wizchan and despite how slow that site is it was an interesting reflection of what 4chan could or should've been, eg: no lewd images, no random slurs, actual content on generals, normal discussions, each post felt organically written and unique without trying to antagonize the reader or user for an emotional response or political/racial/social implementations.The Obama and trump election did take a toll on people especially on 4chan but the 2020 pol really made most of the red board if not just pol absolutely erratic and almost unreadable in some cases. The random discord tranny raids, the 100th wojak edit, the weird chud posters, it all comes outta nowhere oneday with no organic development, just spammy antagonizing posts or posts trying to imply something else usually lewd, sometimes to derail threads with fresh interesting topics. However sometimes threads with interesting topics also ask people what they think about a subject matter, usually conspiracies, and this leads to people getting baited over Q posts, vaccines, flat earth, tree mountain, historical weirdness, politics, etc which can overall be used to either recruit people to believing in these things and freely shill them or use it to dismiss everything people there say preventing actual discussions.One interesting type of threads that used to frequent in pol were those threads where people would use paint to write messages on images and put filters over them like spray paints, lines, etc over the text to check how badly botted pol was. People who were not bots would reply to the image rather than texts posted with it. There were some posts that would bait for (you)s like "made for bbc" or something completely irrelevant in response to attached pictures or posts showing there are some bots activities, ofcourse there would also be paid shills who can read the images who reply under meme flags.
>>27251858I still think it's pretty likely that they are using micropaid shills rather than bots to do this work.I think fully-automated bots would be TOO easy to spot. There is at least an element of human creativity in these kind of spam posts. They don't read as gibberish ai-speak.Consider this: some tool in South Korea is being paid 0.00000000000001BTC each time he replies to the words 'trans', 'transition', 'transitioning', etc with abuse. He might not even have the grasp of English that would allow him to see the nuance to distinguish between relevant and irrelevant posts, merely responding to certain trigger words that he has been tasked with looking for.Again: humans being trained to act like bots. Humans feeding algorithms and following their orders.
>>27251883Yes! Exactly. It seems like it stretches across the entire spectrum of media; fiction, non-fiction, youtube, netflix, social media platforms. In general, children and people who prey on them has become like the new "thing." Like zombies were for years, and vampires around the time those twilight movies and books were hugely popular, etc.
>>27251858That's because they bump each other, I already told you they communicate, reply to each other's posts. They're really easy to spot when you see the pattern. Spend some time on /pol/, you'll get it in no time.
>>27251874I remember that. I went away so suddenly
>>27251881I understand.So what do you think? I usually categorise this sort of thing as an example of cultural confluence or zeitgeisty positive feedback loops.What you may be digging at is that there is some deeper level of predictive shaping of cultural consciousness through algorithmically-generated content. Are we being softened up? Or are we being warned?
>>27251868ah that's the one, and it's not quite like I remembered it, less screaming more grimace.
>>27251890I definitely think shills could be a thing too. It would definitely explain this new culture of being thankful that companies are doing the bare minimum. And that even light criticism of something you like means your a bad person etc.
>>27251906I know, I remembered it being a scream, too, but this is definitely the image now that I see it.Every time it was posted the tint was a different colour.
>>27251890Please pardon my continued ignorance on some of this.>micropaid shills rather than bots to do this work.I most definitely agree that there is a heavy, active human element as the primary driving force behind a lot of those kinds of posts and content. But in my head, I imagine that an individual could work in tandem with multiple bots to achieve higher productivity and greater reach. I have no idea how many bots a single individual could "manage" at a time, but if the human handles things which the bots can't, or simply approves posts quickly before they are sent, it seems like with enough data, a bot could handle a lot of the disruptive and toxic posts/content we typically see. Am I far off here?For what it's worth, I have read things from a few people on /x/, who seem to believe the capabilities and activities of bots are much more advanced and pervasive than I personally believe. My guess would be the above and as you were driving at, human activities aided by and informing bots.
>>27251887>made for bbcThat's also a bot response obviously, it guessed the picture was of a woman because 80 percent of them are, so it baited a racially motivated reply.
interesting thread guys, i'm gonna head off but I wish we had more threads like this not just on /x/ but everywhere. I get tired of incessant arguing over nothing, this was just a comfy discussion about shit.
>>27251887The meme flags would do annoying things like mass replies and typing responses to images instead of replying in ones own made messy image. Regardless, this entire thing made me paranoid and i decided to surf the deepweb to see if there are any other chan-like sites that are a bit more active and not filled with bots, i found some which are as slow as wizchan and i had to link hop multiple times through dead boards to find a somewhat moderated and normal discussion place. Unfortunately, i saw some underaged kids in nude (not doing porn but still bad) while link-hopping (also one falsely advertised themselves as a d&d game group) so that fucked me up for weeks. In the end i decided to just lurk like usual and keep posting to minimum. I'd rather be paranoid than risk seeing anything that involves children negatively and i guess I'm a bit fine with some things being filtered off the surface net even if it takes concept of a fully "wild internet" out.
For a fictional take on just how far rogue algorithms can push real human beings to act, I'd heartily recommend the season 3 Black Mirror episode 'Shut Up and Dance'.It is, if you'll allow me to be /tv/ for a second here, pure kino.
>>27251939I agree, these threads are nice. See yah
>>27251904I still have trouble finding a position from which to think about the whole subject. I know that pedo-apologetics have been on the rise in the last few years, even in some larger, mainstream media outlets, the sexualization of minors has apparently now been adapted into a netflix original series, we've had the whole Epstein thing, a torrent of Hollywood-types being outed or accused of preying on children - it's fucking everywhere. And it only seems to be getting worse. I wish I understood the potential reasons why that might be deliberately injected into the collective consciousness, if in fact that's what is happening, and what to keep an eye out for in that regard.
>>27251934Pic related is the type of images the posters would make, nothing with a picture of woman. Also forgot to mention the bots who make the same threads over and over again for years.
>>27251928Yeah, that actually makes a lot of sense. A combination of paid shills and bot networks working in tandem would be more unpredictable and harder to tackle.The main thought process behind my post was that performing experiments to catch bots by making posts that only humans will know how to respond to may not be entirely effective.You know: don't think that just because you've learned to spot bots that you're safe from these systems.
>>27251973Yeah, I know what you meant, the last one I was in was about T-Rex or five ninjas winning a fight, what I meant, the BBc reply to that thread was a bot because it couldn't read the picture so it guessed it was of a woman, based on probability.
>>27251975>You know: don't think that just because you've learned to spot bots that you're safe from these systems.Absolutely agreed. There is no real way to become invulnerable to these various systems involved in this general subject. It calls to mind a thread I saw on /x/ a couple years ago which, for all I know, may very well have just been a very well-informed and intelligent larper. But it was about the ways media, and particularly movies rather than simply shows or video, actually influence and control us. How the way to target a given subset of people is through the behavior of the character they personally relate to most. It does not matter if the person likes or dislikes the character, or if they like/dislike the film, or if the character is good or evil - what matters is that the individual relates to, and identifies with that character. For years now, I have not watched television, I watch movies but rather rarely, and I do not use any social media. But even as closed-off as I have become, I would be an absolute fool to believe I am not still being influenced and controlled to one extent or another, every day of my life. Most of the damage was already done before I approached my teenage years and I am now well into my 30's. It was not until within the last 4-5 years, after already having cut out most of that media consumption, that I even began to gain some kind of grasp of what is being put into my mind and the ways my personality and actions are influenced and controlled by external forces. I can, and do, always strive to learn more, understand better, be more aware, etc, but for as long as I live my actions, choices, and who I am as a person will never be solely determined by me and my own experiences. But I guess the way I see it, if other forces are always going to be exerting control over my life, I am not obliged to make it any easier for them.
>>27252154You wanna come and deprogram yourself with me by taking magic mushrooms?Pls be in London.
>>27252171If I were on your side of the pond, I'd join you in a heartbeat. I have been on the lookout for years now for a source for shrooms, and any time I catch even a hint of one, there's one reason or another that it falls through or someone turns out to be full of shit. Still, I am determined to find one eventually, and one of the primary reasons, if not *the* reason why, is exactly what you just said. I have a fascination/borderline obsession with the Gateway Process and similar concepts, and I believe shrooms and their myriad benefits for unplugging/deprogramming/whatever are my first step on that path.
>>27251973That pic is a joke, right?
>>27252226Bless you fren. I am going to choose to believe these quads are a message from the ghost of psilocybe future, that I will find the shrooms I seek.
>>27252242No it’s real.
>>27252263Can you explain, I don't get it.
>>27251771>a bot to fight back tranny and lefty posters botsWe are on a level of shitpost that no one would imagined a decade ago.Majestic.
>>27252286It's actually hilarious when you look at it like that lel
>>27251858/x/>astrology threads>the nobody>natal charts>random threads that start with a retarded questionShilled or bot.
>>27252317So I have still been struggling with accepting the extent to which bots may be at play, and I just now traipsed back through the previous thread and happened to see this, which I missed last night when I passed out. I'd seen someone mention it, but I didn't really get the specifics.This shit is fucking horrifying.
>>27251863Did anyone ever find out what was the deal with the /tv/ oval?
>>27252317Don't forget the data mining Anon. I can't believe the people who post their sex, birthday and age to get a vague, feel good "reading". Just blows my mind.Which reminds me of this bonkers thread yesterday with a bot desperately trying to get people's addresses>>>>>>/pol/300139166
>>27252222I took a large dose of LSD under supervision when I was 16. I had never had any other drugs and only a few alchoholic drinks before then, and aside from literally three puffs of weed I haven't taken any drugs since then.And I'm starting to wonder if that experience at that age acted as something like an innoculation against surface-level indoctrination.I don't want to derail this thread by turning it into /psychadelics/, but when I see the way that most normal people think, the only way I can describe it is two-dimensional. I have this tendency to assume that most people think and feel the same things as me, so it took me a long time to accept the evidence that was coming out of people's mouths when I spoke to them: most people accept the reality with which they are presented. What LSD/psilocybin/mescalin or an exceptional mind allow you to do is to see concealed patterns beneath the surface of things.I'm paraphrasing this from Aldous Huxley's 'The Doors of Perception', but what happens when you take psychadelics is that it switches off the part of your brain that evolved for survival and which filters out information not immediately useful to your genetic imperative to reproduce. Without that filtering system that reduces everything to 'food: can eat', 'woman: can impregnate' you see the world in a way that is closer to raw reality: as systems of colours, shapes, and sounds: qualia, to use the philosophical term.If you experience this even once, it can thenceforth alter the way that you perceive things enough for you to recognise underlying patterns that would have otherwise been concealed from you. And that is why it is a way to deprogram yourself from the surface-level indoctrination endemic in modern culture: you can see underneath the surface of it.(You can do this through isolation, meditation, and deep thinking as well. Drugs are a shortcut, and for some people may be a necessary key to a door that is locked too firmly shut.)
>>27252336Yeah, this is one of those information blasts that is too big to swallow.It's like: what are we even supposed to do with this information? Where do we even begin?
>>27252344I have no idea what is the oval. I came to 4chan around 2011.
>>27252381Exactly. Every impulse in my brain is to basically say "I can't really wrap my head around the ramifications of shit like this" as a copout for shrugging it off. But I am not going to allow myself to do that, because at this point it only keeps becoming more and more evident that the shit I've heard about and dismissed, or suspected with no way to determine, is actually, truly going on - right fucking now - on 4chan and every other goddamn hub of discussion on this nightmare we call the internet.I can and have accepted that there is nothing whatsoever that I can do about it, or even anyone that I can spread awareness to. But I do not want to keep pretending this shit isn't happening anymore, because it is, and it is not happening for no reason.Fuck.
>>27248430>Keep shilling your channel, Nexpo , I’m sure it’s workingWorst part is that it's probably working, given that the userbase of /x/ is mostly retarded zoomers.
>>27252411>Every impulse in my brain is to basically say "I can't really wrap my head around the ramifications of shit like this" as a copout for shrugging it off.This happens all the time. Major, world-shaking government secrets leak and people turn their heads. Meanwhile, someone says nigger on Twitter and it's headline news for the next month.And I do it too. Tackling this stuff requires an obstinate determination to stay focused on it and to not be afraid to sound like a schizo to most normal people.There's a pretty powerful impulse in us which, when we hear something huge that could change our view of everything, rejects it to protect ourselves. No-one wants to have their whole world-view, which they've built a life upon, blown apart.
>>27252381I think the first way to contain discussion to this site. Spreading ideas onto the other compromised areas of the normie net is probabbly going to cause even more botnet here.
>>27252428This entire thread is just Nexpo samefagging.
>>27252434>No-one wants to have their whole world-view, which they've built a life upon, blown apart.speak for yourself
>>27252442Who or what is nexpo? Genuine question, don't want to go on yt to give them views
>>27252437>probabbly going to cause even more botnet here.Personally, I doubt this. I don't have any intention or desire to go around preaching the gospel of whateverthefuckisgoingon, but any effect this kind of discussion can have, it's going to happen purely from the existence of this discussion at all.And on that note, without spelling it out (for what I would assume/hope are obvious reasons), I am wondering if anyone else has made the same observation I have about this thread compared to the previous two. Something is missing. And it won't last forever, I have no doubt it'll be back in action before this thread hits the bump limit, but it is kind of interesting how little of it this thread has seen, relative to the other two.
>>27252451Exactly. I came here because I realised this was one of the few places where I could get real answers. Not masked behind internet points or some personality with degenerate ideologies.
>>27252476The last thread had about 70 posters. This one is rounding at 50. Modest but we need to keep the bread baking.
>>27252479>degenerate ideologiesI don't understand what you mean by this
>>27252451>>27252479I think you guys may be misunderstanding him. Obviously we are all in this thread because we know something is wrong with the notions we've held. But what he's describing is a normal impulse. Even now, for all of us, there are things/understandings/knowledge/whatever which we would reflexively recoil from. Even if it doesn't last, that impulse is still there in our brains somewhere.
>>27252494promoting themselves and promoting concepts founded in degeneracy typical examples like tiktok, Instagram, Facebook, discord & reddit communities all of which harbour them.
>>27252437Doesn't that just make this into an echo chamber, i.e. part of the problem?But it's hard to even imagine broaching this topic anywhere else on the internet.Getting any traction for these ideas would require subtantial research and compilation of the best evidence we have, and some very conscientious long-form writing to bring all this disparate stuff together.This >>27251584 article is a good example of the sort of thing. Have you ever tried explaining Elsagate to someone? It's very difficult and you come across sounding like a total nut, and yet the writer of this article built up the concept and the facts of the case gradually and carefully to put together a full picture of what was happening.What we're talking about in this thread is a problem on a much larger scale, I think it's explainable if we were to stick to the basic facts, which are:>Large proportions of the supposedly human-produced content on the internet are actually generated by artificial intelligence networks in conjunction with paid secret media influencers in order to manufacture consumers for an increasing range of newly-normalised cultural products.Something like that would be the strapline. I don't know, but if there's any chance at all of tackling this, maybe writing a convincing article that summarises this stuff in a way that can be easily digested and shared is the way to go.
>>27252503OK, I get it. Wasn't sure so I wanted to check. Thanks
>>27252483Do you think there would really be that many of them in a single thread? Genuinely asking, because as I have said, I am largely ignorant in this department. I suppose 10-20 may not be too high of a number, since apparently switching devices/IPs is relatively effortless for them.That's another aspect of the whole thing which is kind of blowing my mind. All the means of supposedly detecting/preventing bots which are used basically any and everywhere on the internet, are effectively fucking useless. That's one of those things which I feel like I have suspected, but had no reason to probe further, or any reason to believe that trying to learn the truth would actually yield anything.
>>27252465Youtuber who makes good videos about spoopy things on the internet.But recently he has starting making some very tonally off larping videos about him pretending to hunt down pedophiles.
>>27252512I think I know what you’re getting at.We need someone to drop this pill in the mainstream and see the reaction. Someone who has a following already and knows about this thread. But I don’t think we’ll find any takers here. If someone from that website you referred to (medium) were to post this perhaps we would see acknowledgement . But this is a safe space free of most bots. Exposing this without evidence will lead this idea down the drain
>>27250066I used to think that my degenerate behaviors would somehow become regenerative. Y’know, sleep all day, drink a lot, take chances, not give a damn about anything and hopefully I’ll stumble into something interesting. I don’t think it works that way because I still haven’t found anything. Every day I have the option of choosing something difficult and hard, like learning how to program computers. I don’t know who in there right mind thinks that programming is a vocation or even close to a life purpose. I think men like us want to put everything we have on the table. The problem is that there aren’t really any jobs that excite the soul anymore. The jobs that do don’t really pay that much. It’s almost like you have to forge your own path but that’s where we all get stuck on. Where do we start our path? There’s always something else that needs us before we can start our spirit work. It may seem like a nightmare to leave our lives behind, but if anything we are a disservice to the ones around us if we are feeling lost and empty. I’ve tried going off. Camped all over the states and I didn’t find anything. I think my next goal is to do a section of PCT. we start thinking we find enlightenment but we really just reach the end and shrug. Grasping for threads.
>>27252479>>27252451I'm talking about normal people.I know you came to /x/ to have your mind blown and seek truth. That's why I come here, too. But I'm talking about the mass of ordinary people who need to wake up to difficult facts if a thing is ever to actually change.
>>27249605The anonymity is also a great tool for a forum, for it takes away everything you are: social status, environment, sex, etc.Without that, the only thing worthy are your ideas. If they are not worthy you will be ignored. The free exchange of ideas without any limit around the world is atractive.>>27249622>I heard some anon theorize awhile back that the normies are on some sort of cultural or informational delayIt could be that or just they try to imitate the behaviors they see smart, cool or edgy. A example of this is "The left can't meme". usually political correct memes are shallow and hollow, there is no spark in them. Maybe the problem is not the lack of creativity, but people that follow and react to the mainstream ideas cannot question the reality they live in. The exchange of ideas can be harmful, but people here are able to endure that to have a new point of view. "I think, therefore I am".
>>27252524If we base purely on numbers, the site shows the amount of unique posters in a thread at the bottom of the page. But moving to different networks can make that number inaccurate. I think there’s a solid 20-30 posters who are trawling this tread. And a large amount of lurkers who are either bots or drifters.
>>27251890i can tell you with absolute complete honesty, micropaid shills are standard, they're contracted to platforms, but they can use discord on the side.DISCORD IS SPYWARE, and all shills use it because they can. also they're always visible so their supervisors can see them. they also parrot names and ping people constantly, so their supervisors can see in comment/post history.they probably use special versions of those apps.shills are retards that are barely smart enough to use computers. not a joke. they're retarded. for real.
>>27252512I read the article. It's very well written and the whole thing is crazy. I'm still not sure whether the author implied the videos were produced by AI, whether whole or in part, but it wouldn't surprise me.It would be great if these threads compiled information so after a while we could start making sense of the thing and maybe bring it outside
>>27252512>maybe writing a convincing article that summarises this stuff in a way that can be easily digested and shared is the way to go.Definitely yes
>>27249644>vocaloid which is kind of like a predecessor to modern deepfakes?? VOCALOID is far closer to an instrument.
>>27252544>liberal culture normalises retardation>retardation becomes 'heroic' and 'inspiring'>no-one aborts retards or puts them in asylums anymore>retards allowed to breed>mass production of retards>retards employed in shill farms
>>27252512I have a genuine question. Is this place the way it is because it is so reminiscent of the old web? I’ve never found a place like this board. Which is why I’m asking. No matter where I go, either I find users are nothing like here or they are immensely focused on one topic and never stray from the norm. It makes me think that this entire website is a containment zone for those who are not entirely apart of the mainline. This may be a bit narcissistic in thought but it’s crossed my mind and would like to vent it out.
>>27252539We need to shake them from the slumber
>>27252568We all have a touch of the 'tism
>>27252568 I don't think it's narcissistic at all. I think you are on the right track there. The ways we talk to each other and what we say, the ideas we exchange, all are wildly different from what you'll find on damn near any other site. The pic here >>27249605 does a far better job of beginning to describe the reasons for that than I could ever do.
>>27252558>>27252548>>27252531https://pastebin.com/NMhv1xwgStarted an outline for a potential article.Anyone who's up for it, jump in and write something, or paste in good parts from these threads and we'll see what we can start putting together.It can be a total mess at first. I'll edit it later on.
>>27252568Well, unlike most other places this board doesn't keep a score of internet points like upvotes or whatever. Which makes a lot of difference, I think.
>>27252622This is excellent. Good work anon.
>>27252622Very nice pastebin, Fren, keep up the good work
>>27252647You’d think that most would agree that it’s superior to a feedback or score system. But it’s quite the opposite. It’s not just a matter of 4chan vs reddit. It’s like we are purposely isolated and contained away from everyone else. The common phrase that we are the toilet of the internet is ironic. As you will be quick to find your gang of degenerates on any of ((their)) platforms.
>>27252526>Good videosI can count with one hand those good videos
>>27252568I feel the same way. And yes, I think that this place is as close as you can get to web 1.0 nowadays. (Although I'd like to know more about the possibility of accessing BBS and Usenet etc that an anon talked about in the previous thread. You still here?)I don't know what makes it that way. I've always thought that the first come first served system of threads here is pretty vital. One of the things that makes Reddit so awful is the upvoting system. Even though I like the idea of creating subreddits for anything, upvoting turns the community into a sappy survival of the blandest hierarchy. The way comments are nested there gets on my tits as well.So that being said: could we describe this as a design problem? Is 4chan's special quality due to being designed in the right way?The relative lack of censorship has to be key as well. Anyone with any spirit will leave in disgust any website that has a system for approving or censoring their thoughts based on someone else's moral criteria.Now I have a question for you: if 4chan's old-web qualities are what make it the place it is, should we create something even more like the old web? Should we directly emulate the design and principles of the internet of the 80s and 90s? (Which was the internet before corporate interests started looking for ways to profit from it and governments started looking for ways to control it.)
>>27252669How many fingers do you have on that hand?
>>27252622Thanks for doing this anon. I will try to start chipping in this morning.This does call something to mind which I think we should be cognizant of. If this weird train of thought we're all riding together does, in fact, gain traction with any kind of audience elsewhere, the odds are good that one youtube channel or another will take up the idea for a video. And since most such channels are unfortunately similar to the ones that have been mentioned in this thread already (i.e., what the nexpo channel has become) there is also a high probability that such a video will be low-effort, and either completely mangle the ideas we are onto, or will be derisive, dismissive , and/or yet another thoughtless "debunking". For whatever reason, those audiences eat that stuff up, and I won't bother trying to armchair-psychoanalyze those people here.Regardless, I just wanted to point this out, and just from anon to anon, say I appreciate all of you and your thoughts and insight. These things we're discussing are not nothing, and they are not meaningless or unimportant. Keep thinking, keep learning, keep looking.
>>27252679>designed in the right way4chan is , for me at least, the best thought out site I've seen. I's very logical and easy to use, you are basically forced to read the whole conversation but can also follow separate convos between people. It's like standing in a forum in the original sense of the word, talking to people and listening to others all at once.We're also stripped of our egos, unbound by social norms because of anonymity so you can get stupid and playful. Moot is a genius
>>27252711so we'll just make fun of those channels. shitposting galore
>>27252787No doubt, and you're right, fuck them. And I know anything like that happening is a good ways off. But that kind of attention can tend to draw the same sorts of people and disruption which has been discussed here. Whether it ever happens or never does, I sincerely believe this stuff deserves, even demands continued discussion and exploration, and at least for myself I want to stay aware of anything that may interfere with that.
>>27252622>>27252711>>27252653>>27252654>>27252689Thanks!I thought Pastebin was editable by anyone with the link, but it turns out it's not (?)Unless someone knows a superior collaborative writing site, I'll be using this for now:http://meetingwords.com/IVlnVpwRfxI've just started pasting in some basic notes and chunks of posts from these threads.
>>27252850Hopefully the video makers won't mention /x/, they usually just say 4chan. And if you meant attention of bots, we'll just make fun of them too I guess and learn something new along the way
These threads have been really thought provoking, the most of which was the idea of real people imitating the behavior of bots.I have a personal example of this, I post in a few generals on one the boards and they get consistently "trolled" (not effectively, mind you) by one guy, I'm pretty certain it is a real person, follows a sleep schedule, doesn't post some days etc. But he'll do the samefagging/talk to himself, and constantly try to come up with gotchas that he'll run with for a week or two (btw, they're not political generals so I'm really sure what the goal is). The thing is though, he's been at it for over a year now, getting a couple (you)s here and there in every thread mostly ignored. It's sad more than anything.
>>27252928It's genuinely disturbing. One thing worth considering, whatever human element is involved with these things, it would make sense that over the period in which the bots are being introduced and their behavior normalized, the humans would post in a fashion similar to that of the bots. It would help normalize what would otherwise seem like odd behavior from the bots. I keep having to remind myself that as much as some of these things I'm speculating on seem overly-involved and complex, the people responsible for it have clearly already dedicated a great deal of thought and planning to this, and there is no shortage of resources or methods by which they can make their efforts productive and achieve whatever ends they are after. I'm reaching the point where very few hypotheticals seem too farfetched. And that's pretty fucking scary.
>>27253016Also forgot to add, it seems that it would follow that when those people are behaving similar to the bots, the generic trolls and bored assholes are going to notice the behavior that works and gets responses and proves disruptive. That's probably one of the ways people come to unconsciously begin imitating bots.
>>27251614No they dont have
>>27252855>http://meetingwords.com/IVlnVpwRfxyou're doing great archive anon!i personally found that pastebin became troublesome and flagged things as "spam" when they could be the most benign texts ever.i strongly, VERY much advise the people reading these threads, open up neocities sites. it's free, you get enough storage, you can make all kinds of pages and post images and texts and link to your friends.
Lemme see if I have this straight:>Like some anons have said, imageboards and their "wild west" attitude have allowed for the free exchange of ideas to flow more or less uninhibited (barring jannies, pedos getting banned, etc.)>As a result, conscious or otherwise, the cream of the crop of the content that originates here disseminates to the normies in a gradual, stratified way>The structure and culture of imageboards has also made it difficult for traditional structures of power and influence to subvert effectively, which is why imageboards are pretty much the only vestige of old web type content>In an attempt to circumvent this, TPTB are trying to push bots and shills on us in a last ditch effort to drown out our own voices with ones they have more direct control over>Moreover, even if the majority of anons dismiss or call out bots or shills, it's inevitable that trolls or just low IQ anons will imitate their posts and mannerisms for attention, effectively doubling these efforts reacham I missing anything so far?
>>27252928>>27253016you've just described a retarded but computer-literate sped on a pathetic payroll. that one's job is to troll 4chan, and he's not allowed to leave the site until his shift is up.idk what the rules about following links are, but shills ask for links. don't give them those, make them EARN It. if they don't EARN it, they don't get the page.also all shills use discord on the side because it's allowed.
>>27251346Yeah, sites like 4Chan and to a lesser extent omegle unironically make me think of ancient trade routes and inns where you'd just meet random people from all walks of life, never to speak to them again
>>27253219Nice analogy. That's what we need more of.Fuck real identities being used online, we never used to do that shit. Everyone used to use a nickname, and posting pictures of yourself online was considered to be plain stupid.
>>27252536I feel you man. I just had a daughter, and it feels wonderful being a father, but every day my "job" gets less and less interesting. I'm fortunate that I work from home now, but I can't bother to get motivated because I'll never get fired, and I'll never get promoted either. The Mrs. and I are starting up a poetry/art zine, and I've been expanding the music I create, but to break out in a creative field these days is impossible unless you can feed the algorithm, which I can't do.I know all the tricks to get spotify and instagram to "notice" me, but there's some blockage in my brain from allowing me to do so. I also don't write music or create art that the algorithm would enjoy.In the case if Spotify, music has to be so bland and forgettable that the listener isn't bothered to press "skip". Abrasive acts like System of a Down could never make it today because of this. Radio kind of forced you to listen.So I just feel at a loss. I don't know marketing, I just know how to create, and the people that know marketing don't know how to create.
>>27253230akshually, the first, first, FIRST wave of common internet users would fully dox themselves with everything they had, they'd be 40, and really open about being diaperfur tweakers who live in hoarded trailers.THEN after that wave, people realized to keep names separate.
>>27253169Not wrong, as far as I can tell. Though at the risk of sounding like one of those god-awful iceberg videos, I believe that those points and what we've discussed thus far is essentially scratching the surface. For the moment, our focus has been (rightly, imo) on this place and other forums. But there are still the elements such as the narrowing of the web itself, the death and disappearance of niche and oddball websites and communities, the death of mystery and exploration on the web, etc. I mentioned in a prior thread some thoughts on eventually exploring the possibility of AI/algorithm-generated fiction - sort of like the AI-written news and ad articles, but in the form of stories, creepypastas, things like that.
>>27253239you sound like a great person and you got some great ideas. i know your "barrier", cuz i kinda hit it a few times myself, and i'm really, really shy.the few real people OTI have left ages ago, and only use it to look things up but not engage.my advice is slowly put out stuff you feel is share-worthy, but it'll be a very, very slow growing pile of media. things take 4 years to get noticed, without advertising. things can take more years easily, to get noticed.patience wins the battle. striking up convos with strangers and reaching out OTI and IRL gets results. eventually someone will remember your site name!
>>27253169I'm not sure you're right about the last bit. From what I've witnessed, newfags react very quickly when warned about bots, rules, etc, and they correct their behaviour. Genuinely malicious trolls are few in reality. I think the reason for this is we instantly see the value of this place and realize that the rules are there for a reason, that's why bots and agent are so easy to spot. Low IQ anons are Canadian.
>>27253239>I know all the tricks to get spotify and instagram to "notice" me, but there's some blockage in my brain from allowing me to do so. I also don't write music or create art that the algorithm would enjoy.My guy.I've written and drawn like four 200-page graphic novels, but I don't have a social media presence, which makes it very difficult to get published or gain any sort of traction.I like the idea of a zine though. Self-publish, share it in the real world. Keep it real.
kinda related, but has anyone else noticed that while you are researching a certain subject online, that threads on 4chan just seem to start popping up about that subject? like ive seen a shitload of old testament threads appear out of nowhere as ive been reading it. sure, this could just be a bias because i'm looking for it, but i suspect bots/machine learning are somehow involved.
>>27253269Thank you. I post my music online, and can activity promote IRL with shows and just hanging out. (I am very outgoing) but with the COVID shutdown I can't perform anymore. I just don't spend much time "online" anymore because it's so negative. I do have this inner knowing that in my mid 30's I will achieve "success", I have about 4 years to go.
>>27253299That's just synchronicity my dude. It's God, not robots.
>>27252769I remember when I first started using this site hating the design because I was a young dumb kid used to whatever I was using at the time.As I've gotten older and used it more though - like you say - it is actually one of the most well-designed websites I can think of. Take for example reddit. Bar the fact that the community is utterly shit and full of soi, the website itself is designed so goddamn awfully. I feel like they tried to include too many doodads and flair and ended up making it a pain to use in the end. Every now and then when I find myself on there there's a 99% chance I'll get pissed off at just how fucking annoying it is navigating the comments (basically the whole premise of the website) and just abandoning it even if there was a thread with some information I was interested in.(Very off-topic but fuck it)
>>27249848Mad because we dissed your waifu.
>>27253285Yeah I don't know if it's my German roots or what, but that type of promotion just feels gross and like lying. I can't "talk my self up" or brag.I have a good feeling about the Zine, I'm including music with it too, and it's giving me an excuse to try new styles. I might just literally go into town centers and sell it on the street like the Newsies.
>>27253299I mentioned in the first thread that this is what happened to me. I'd been doing some research on the uncanny valley, and had just gotten into the concept of the "uncanny valley of mind" when I somewhat randomly decided to hop onto /x/ for the first time in a while. I saw the first thread on this topic and I have been in here since then. I do believe, to one extent or another, that >>27253311this is probably true. And in some way, I believe that very same concept of synchronicity is somehow, some way related on some far side of what I'm digging into here. How and why, I don't have the first fucking clue, but I believe some connection is there.
>>27253239I feel this. I currently have a project live online, sort of a writing project, which is essentially now the only thing I live for. And I know with almost complete certainty that it will never draw interest from anyone, and I am completely okay with that because it isn't something I'm doing for anything but myself, and I have no interest in cultivating a brand or monetization, etc. As you said, those options are out there, and if the internet has been streamlined for anything, it's squeezing money out of anything you can fit onto a screen. But I couldn't possibly have any less interest in that. For now at least, the internet can still be used in some ways as a canvas for self-expression.
>>27253336Nah, he's right. I'm also from /jp/ and while I'm not into vtubers, dox threads are almost unavoidable by now.
>>27253303>mid 30's I will achieve "success", I have about 4 years to gothat's a real interesting thought. i've had past "awakenings" where i'd keep getting a difficult idea which i wont' get into, but years later the idea became "real" and i crossed that bridge, and i'm tougher for it.our ideas of "success" might not be correct, but REAL success, you'll see that! it won't be the form you're probably expecting now, but when the success comes, it'll be grand, but humble. you might not want your name out, but you can feel great to know you've made a HUGE difference.
>>27253385This is where true art is created. Emily Dickinson told her sister to burn her poetry after she died. Just make sure whoever you ask to burn your writing after your dead isn't an artist themselves, and will actually read what you've written.
>>27253401Exactly! I'm not going to be a "rock star", and nor do I want to be. I had a taste of Diet Fame, and it is soul sucking.Success will be freedom, a detachment from Babylon, and being able to provide for my family by doing what I am best at.
>>27253371>>27253371Throwing my two cents in here as a former 4/v/-8/v/ crossposter. This is all anecdotal, so take it with a grain of salt, but I'd often see similar if not identical threads pop up between both, oftentimes the same exact image/exifdata and post text, but also similar if not identical replies. Now this could just be 8/v/irgins being hypocritical faggots who were too proud to admit that they were still posting on "cuckchan" as we called it, 8/pol/ would often have loli doujin dumps after all, but it's something to consider.As a side note, as someone who only ever really stayed on /v/, but occasionally dipped over to /b/ and /pol/, I'm still shocked it stayed open as long as it did considering the amount of actual v&able content that was constantly being posted, as well as the incredible incompetence of HW, Watkins, and his son. Almost makes me think that the whole site was a psyop to root out the most "problematic" individuals of imageboard culture and put them on a whole containment site so that they could be systematically observed and snatched up when they outlived their usefulness. Makes me wonder why 4chan in particular has been so enduring compared to other notable imageboards that have come and gone over the years, either from feds busting down their doors or people just losing interest and abandoning it.
>>27253541>why 4chan in particular has been so enduringBecause it literally deprograms you, it lifts the veil society has thrown over your eyes, you realize the truth is different from what you've been told. Once this happens, you love this place and all the anons here with you and you're willing to fight for them. A shill coming here has no chance when he's being bombarded by sources, logic and good arguments from ten different anons. Also shills don't understand sarcasm so they interpret some banter as animosity between anons not realizing they're the ones being trolled.pic related
>>27250740Since you posted that picture, any idea if there's a website with all the cards in that game?
>>27253638I think that post is a troll. It has to be. It seems so retarded.
>>27253665Nevermind, answered my own question. If anyone's interested:https://imgur.com/r/conspiracy/6LIHg
>>27253638I meant more like why hasn't this place been nuked from Orbit like 8kun was, but I guess that pic kind of answers my question. Smaller places like that are easier to divide and conquer or just fall apart on their own. Whereass, the glowies know that without this place, the majority of us would be off the grid entirely, more or less. As much as it frustrates them that they can't successfully subvert us, they'll keep trying because they know as soon as we leave this place, there's no containing us, and no way to accurately run surveillance on most of us, we're too smart to get caught up in the social media/internet of things trap that the majority are.They know as soon as 4chan is gone, barring a few attempts at similar smaller boards, we'll be out in the wild so to speak, without any way to monitor us. And that scares the shit out of them. pic related.
>>27253693Ofc it is. But its still funny. Imagine Glowina McGlownog reading it.
>>27253541feds have a backdoor to 4chan ever since moot left. is there any possible way to actually post on here anonymously? no matter what VPN i use, they're all blocked by 4chan. do i really have to donate to this shit site just to be able to post normally?
>>27248190not to be too much like The Thing, but imma start pointing some fingers and say this a purposefully bot generated post. how is this related to the thread apart from the last sentence? If its not im sorry, but this feels a lot like something autogenerated. even the reddit spacing does
>>27253707They also like to study us kek
>>27253732Reminds me of when my parents would ask me and my brother what "based" meant when they heard us using it once.Half the shit on here you could not explain even if you really tried, it really is a case of "you had to be there" in full display.
I've been in this thread for nine hours.
>>27253757Like moments as this one on a site people think is filled with nazis
>>27253844Time flies when you're a faggot
>>27253844Well, I (and I am sure others) have no intention of letting this topic/these threads die off. I'm in this now, and I will be here. I'm only posting this while taking a short break from some reading posted earlier in this thread.
>>27253900I'm lurkin, wish I could contribute in a meaningful way besides my previous comment >>27253219but I've just been staring at this thread wide eyed. i understand it, but don't even know what to say.
>>27252769Not disagreeing that the UI here is better but Moot didn't come up with it. The chan layout/comment tagging system was already prevalent in Japan when Moot made the site.
>>27253730Agreed, on /x/ its a little bit more difficult because we have to reconcile these posts with the high number of literal schizos that inhabit this board, but I think we can safely assume anything that veers too far off from the topic and has a word salad-like construction is probably a bot, even shcizos stay on topic.
>>27253917Well, all I can say is that it's good being a real human being in a world full of robots and near robots.
>>27253925Was it exactly the same though? All the other chans I used were slightly different, this seems best, I really can't tell why...
>>27253917There's not a thing wrong with that dude. Read, learn, think, do you. If you end up having something you want to discuss or a question or anything, that's cool, if not it's just good that you're here seeing this shit too.
>>27253954Honestly, the more I'm considering all this shit, the more I'm thinking that the number of those supposed "schizos" we all imagine is dramatically, severely lower than what we have probably assumed. Between bots which come off like insane people and bots which constantly repeat the insult "schizo" - I think it's just more poison that's somewhat naturally injected into this place by the same people/things we're discussing here. Again I note the Nobody threads. I am convinced those things are largely populated by bots and some people who either knowingly or unknowingly imitate them.
>>27254006It literally feels like I'm reading a different language when I pop into the nobody threads.The posters all seem to sort of talk past each other too, I think you might be on to something, I assumed just debilitating mental illness, but maybe it's a simple as them all being bots responding to each other.
Something I'm kind of wondering about: I think it would be fair to say that bots like we have discussed would be instrumental in disinformation campaigns. I'm wondering how they learn how to respond and what to say in accordance with false narrative or cover story or whatever. How long after said event do they need more strict supervision by the human element?Also, my continuous instinct, even now, is to tell myself "they are not sophisticated enough to function that way" even despite the fact that they quite clearly are, in some capacity or another. I feel like it is going to take concentrated effort and time to sort of break these stumbling blocks I seemingly involuntarily throw in front of myself.
>>27254045could be. on 420chan, stoners and schizos have been training the netjester bot for years. now, that thing pretty much blends in with the board, and can even create new memes on itself. perhaps the nobody threads are just a shitload of netjesters jerking themselves off?
>>27254006Which would be a smart thing to do if you wanted to sow discord between this board and others and make it easy to discredit anything coming out of this board. Just like the evil nazis inhabit /pol/, schizos inhabit this place, incels /r9k/ etc
>>27254045I am convinced that something in that ballpark is what's going on there. I know I keep using this term, but if those threads aren't representative of the concept "uncanny valley of mind" then I don't know what the hell could be. It's fucking eerie reading those posts.
>>27254122The eerieness is because they're talking about a figure who is mostly imaginary. Yet many of them seem to be religious in their language. Very strange.
>>27254006"take your meds"
>>27254112Bingo. Fucking exactly.
>>27254099at the simplest levels, bots work off keyword triggers. ever notice how major news sites always use the same, weird lingo in headlines? i remember when the internet was giving bill gates shit for his dumb vaccine ideas. one day, dozens of news companies published stories with the keywords "targeted" and "conspiracy theorists". so every headline was a variation of "bill gates is being targeted by right-wing conspiracy theorists."my theory is they use these specific trigger words so that the bots know what to look for and how to respond. at its basic levels, that's how bots function - they look for keywords or phrases and then have responses built-in. the bots can learn how to argue by creating models based on regular idiots arguing with each other on facebook. it's all a seris of inputs and outputs.
>>27254128>The eerieness is because they're talking about a figure who is mostly imaginary.I get what you mean, but that isn't what makes it so eerie to me. It's all these posts which would ostensibly require complex thought and deliberate intent by someone, at some point, at some time in the past, to put together, but everything they say is just barely drifting past anything it's supposedly in response to, and past the actual "topic" of the thread
>>27254146"Anon SLAMS Mainstream media, and that's a good thing"
>>27254146Yeah, I do understand what you mean. What I'm wondering, I guess, is the process by which they can produce increasingly complex responses focused on a single argument/position/narrative. Because AI-generated articles and headlines are one thing, and typically are not focused on a specific spin on a recent event, about which they had no previous responses. I may be explaining my question poorly. Say Mr. StayPuft attacks downtown, the Keymaster and the Gatekeeper fought the Ghostbusters on the skyscraper, the whole shebang. The mayor's version of events is that Mr. StayPuft was a rare but non-paranormal occurrence, and the destruction to the building and the area was caused by militant citizens acting as vigilantes, attacking the harmless marshmallow man. I'm wondering how soon after this event can a bot have the necessary information in order to actively engage real people online and promote/propagate the mayor's cover story, discrediting people alleging paranormal activity while derailing or damaging discussions of such activity, and still maintaining enough variation and complexity in their posts that they still pass the Turing test.
>>27252370I would be wary about this. There are better way to cleanse the mind, like meditations or praying (which are the same thing) even if you have to put the effort. If one doesn't work on his mind, the state you reach with drugs will always be tainted somehow.Meditation still the movement on the water's surface, all the dirt go to the bottom and suddenly you see the moon reflection. Drugs is more like throwing acid in the water to dissolve the dirt.
>>27254146>bill gates is being targeted by right-wing conspiracy theorists with this 4chan guyI have seen this also and is laughable. They try to undermine in the mainstream media something that is not there. So they end up talking about something normies never saw and never knew, redpilling them. This also takes a toll to their credibility.Basically they end up like the schizos trying to control the narrative.
>>27247782One thing that's always weirded me out about the internet is how quickly we adapted to it; how natural it feels. I'm sure the original designers that created websites and designed layouts were just playing it like everything else, trying to figure out what worked best and was most comfortable. Perhaps the reason humans tend to be so intuitive to the internet and get addicted to it is that they're just compatible. What if the internet mimics some type of human or similarly conscious thought and like some other anons in this thread said, the more we post and feed it, the more aware it becomes
>>27254367I am not going to start or get into any sort of drug-related debate, but I do want to say that drugs and how one manages their mind, opens their own mind, learns themselves is different for every single person. It would be a mistake to allow anyone to tell you that there is a wrong way, or imply that you would necessarily do irreparable harm (or even harm) to yourself from following your own path.
Gunna leave this here>https://youtube.com/watch?v=eKl6WjfDqYA
>>27254306>>27254146Owen Benjamin has been speaking about what he calls "Quantum Journalism" which are stories written by bots that are designed to make people share them and chatter about them online. Eventually some of these stories get re-published by real people in a mainstream news source. You can tell the "Quantum Journalists" because they never have an online footprint, and have names like "Cocksworth" or other Freudian type names.
What do you know about the nobody threads? When did they start? Did they Change through time? What are the OP text and pictures used, and did they change over time? Does the OP name him/her/it self?I'm asking because I think I have an idea but I need more information. This is the first time I read some of those posts so I need input from those who have been following it
>>27248265Fucking nerd bitch get someone w/ a nicer voice to read your videos !!
>>27254757I'm not familiar with Benjamin, but I'm interested in this. Where can I find him discussing/writing about this?
>>27252242Halp? You didn't reply so I'm asking again. Pls explain
>>27251973Halp? You didn't reply so I'm asking again. Pls explain
Question to Nexpo: why do you sometimes deliberately leave very long pauses before you finish...............your sentence?
>>27254950because hes a retarded faggot that only cares about his image and he thinks it's cool. At least he does to what mama does with the shitty voice effects...so cringe. They both suck donkey dicks and should really hang it up. What they are doing now isn't cool, they will fuck it up and I hope there are extreme consequences from it. Their egos are out of wack and pretending to go around "helping children" by "targeting pedos" you find online by pretending to young chicks is not helping anyone and isn't the way to actually help lmao. You'd have to be really fucking stupid to think otherwise. There are many legitimate things they could do...but they won't because they only care about creating drama and clicks
>>27252483Not sure if you're still here, but as you can see, they seem to have arrived now.
>>27247956You ever see the loli vtuber that had the 3d software malfunction and it was some fat male chink LMFAO instanly shut the stream off
I'm mostly lurking as probably 10s of other lurkanons
>>27254888I'm not that poster, but if you really need an explanation:That image works like a captcha. By scrawling over and messing with text that is in an image format you make it very hard for bots to read. Most bots only read actual ascii text, so if you put text in an image, the bot needs special software to interpret it, and it becomes much harder if the text is unclear because of warping, defacement, or using an illegible font (or handwriting!).If the text in the image and the typed text in the post say different things, bots will be exposed because they will only respond to the text in the post.Example:Anon posts 'She's so hot!' With an image that says 'do not respond to this post'. A bot that reads this post will not be able to read the image and will assume it is a picture of a hot girl and will respond accordingly.Was this really not self-explanatory, anon? No offense.
>>27254987Yeah, I kind of find Mamamax entertaining, but what he's doing is so larpy and stupid and the voice is so embarassing.He really could end up getting in serious shit though, so maybe worth keeping an eye on.
>>27255007Really? He was using faceapp or something? Source?
>>27254369>They talk about something normies never saw and never knew therefore red-pilling themIf it worked like that, then people wouldn't seem as stupid as they do. Normies don't read past a headline. This is why media outlets can publish a completely outlandish headline and then quietly retract or maybe just correct it a few days later. By then, the headline has been spread across social media and to a lesser extent by word of mouth and discussions had based solely on the thoughts the headline alone provokes.
>Boston Dynamics has joined the chat
Yes, but it didn't answer my question. Can you read the picture and explain? The post op said it wasn't a joke. That's what I was asking
>>27254870https://youtu.be/X3_UDQbEDWkGo to 51:40 for when he starts on Quantum Journalism. Owen has an interesting story, he was a stand-up comedian who was run out of Hollywood for opposing Trans children, and then run out of Conservative Inc. because he noticed the people who he refers to as "grabblers". So now he homesteads and encourages others to follow along. He talks about a lot of /x/ related topics, Flat Earth, Synchronicity, Tartaria etc
>>27255050 I don't really know what you're asking. As he said, the image he posted was just an example.Is English your first language?
>>27254777https://archive.4plebs.org/x/search/subject/the%20nobody/order/asc/there's "who is the nobody?" threads from 2014 WTF???
>>27255092this gon get gud. What else, have you read the threads? Don't say they're weird, I know that. Come on, let's see where this goes
>>27255125get back to x and take your meds, schizo
>>27255044> This is why media outlets can publish a completely outlandish headline and then quietly retract or maybe just correct it a few days later.>people get tired of that shit>they don't believe the media anymoreEventually even normies realize that they are being lied or manipulated and stop giving a fuck anymore. You can see this with the "conspiracy theories", a couple of years ago you only saw it in places like this, but now you can see normies talking about that.>>27249605 see this and pic related, people don't believe anymore in vertical media and one-sided info. They don't know who is behind it or their agenda, but they feel something is odd.
>>27255015Same anon, olfag lurker checking into all these threads, most comfy lads keep it up
Hard to tell if this is an ongoing example of what we're talking about in this thread, or just someone trolling/larping. Regardless, whoever this is:>>27254950>>27254987just showed up and started trying to derail/clutter the thread, talking about nexpo, who was only barely and quickly referenced earlier in this thread. The apparently weird part is that the content of their posts are clearly directly lifted from a post I made early this morning in a different thread on /x/, here:>>27251082Regardless of whether it's someone muddying the waters or an actual example of bots in action, I figured documenting that stuff is why this thread is here.
>>27255043You can probably find it on YouTube YouTube now but it was super weird he's been a known vtuber obviously using a voice changer because he did sound like ur typical loli lmfaoo
>>27253638>>27247782>>27255165>>27255092this belongs here, thank me later. reminder, the tech exists to silo anyone who is considered a threat to the narrative. none of us can know if our wifi is intercepted, our browser/os identified, and we see a completely custom made internet specifically for us. Especially things like twitter, airbnb, dating sites(all owned by same nyc company run by (((them))). It is about habit and novelty, if you are truly novel, you are a threat to what they are building, and thus they have to call you schizo, because you create a divergence in the narrative they are creating. I wrote 4 books, cant get anyone to read them. Look up "how to build a boat out of water" on libgen and read for years.you should be scared, it proves that their intentions are nefarious. pray biden does not get in that will seal the deal forever. believe me when i say i am most surprised person i have faith in trump of all people to maybe do something to stop it. i hated him for decades. t. nobody and ti.
Look at the name of the OP of the nobody threads and google the meaning
>>27255211Thanks Anon, now get to work >>27255213
>>27255092nobodies are just people who pursued excellence over fame, most of the best posts here are from such people. so i pay it forward. a war of zersetzung has been waged on every bright person who was not born into the cult, who they know would not be complicit with agenda 21, event 201. Generation x in particular is what they tried to erase, like x'd out. https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/295173312I could talk for days about how they have fucked with my life but no one will listen. And it would shatter how you see the world. Without people like me and some of us here being novel, the entire internet is low iq echo chamber. We are censored, because they want the echo chamber, not a true forum in history of western tradition.It is the new witch hunt, intuitives who are not glows already must be excluded. Do you think the people in congress and on tv are the actual best people to lead culture? The internet made invisible gaslight blacklisting incredibly easy for (((them))).
>>27255211>The secret societyBecause of its very nature, it is difficult to describe the society's acts. Bataille referred several times to Marcel Mauss who had studied secret societies in Africa, describing them as a "total social phenomenon". On this model, he organized several nocturnal meetings in the woods, near an oak which had been struck by lightning. Members of the Acéphale society were required to adopt several rituals, such as refusing to shake hands with anti-semites and celebrating the decapitation of Louis XVI, an event which prefigured the "chiefless crowd" targeted by "acéphalité". Members of the society were also invited to meditation, on texts of Nietzsche, Freud, Sade and Mauss read during the assemblies. To psychologically prepare for the violence and losses that active duty in the French Resistance to Vichy—Nazi occupation of France would bring, members discussed carrying out a human sacrifice, but this may never have been carried out.[
>>27255187Tb.f anon it could just be some humans who dislike nexpo and/or other e celebs/ ytubers who glean this site for content which they subsequently make content and coin from.
>>27255237there have been a lot of different ops of nobody threads, you mean the one today? aurora? her music is fantastic.as in the aurora borealis? or a halo? indeed.
Those of you who are actually in this thread for the right reasons, notice that after things were slow and steady all day, now that we're near the bump limit we're suddenly getting flooded with nonsense posts about the Nobody threads. Which would be fine, since we were talking about them earlier, but these posts aren't actually on topic, they're just basically nonsense.What I'm saying is, one of the things this thread is about, seems to be happening in this thread right now.>>27255267Go look anywhere on the internet and you won't find anyone mentioning the things I was bitching about in my post. Did you actually read the posts? They clearly blatantly lifted what they said from my post in the other thread.
This thread just got weird...
>>27255149Wait, what the fuck?
>>27255292>>27255314I'm glad I'm not the only one still here to see this.
>>27247782A lot of people on the internet are just really fucking stupid, so they appear to be bots. How to tell the difference, I don't know. This theory will probably gain attraction in the near future, but right now I couldn't seriously believe that the majority of people are bots. Threads like these are different, when you acknowledge bots or discord spammers there's a larger chance of incomprehensible posts being made in the thread.
Been reading up on this thread a lot. I honestly don't doubt a lot of the internet is bots, but is there any concrete evidence or iis it just a collective gut feeling?The jannies have been hellbent on making sure only the "right" posts don't get deleted.Oh and also, the nexpo experiment will make sense soon
>>27255321Go back to your meds, and take x, schizo
>>27255289>>27255292>>27255314The topic of this thread are bots and bad actors who try to manipulate forums, we might be on to the person making the threads about which everybody here agrees are mostly bots, so it's very on topic, let's dig
>>27255322The entire thread is about them, and in this thread they've only just now shown up - after the thread was up all day - and it's getting bombarded with nonsense just as we got near the bump limit. I appreciate your desire to rationalize, but I'd suggest reading the actual thread because we have discussed this stuff already. You're not going to walk in and explain away in one sentence something we've been discussing and dissecting for a couple of days and several threads now.
>>27255346Well I've had a hunch for awhile now that atleast some of the let's say "fast responding" posters get riled up when you mention O9A. They dont meet in public but here has always subtlety been a safe place. A bit off topic but related.
>>27255346The topic is not exclusively about forum disruption or a multitude of bots. Its It's about this basically happening across the entirety of the internet in a wide variety of forms. We're not on to anyone, we're having a discussion and doing research.
>>27255353Why would you say it's nonsense, the activity has been relatively constant
>>27255353Just make a new thread and be done with this one
There''s at lleast more of us
>>27255052lmao owen is what would happen to most of us if we made it in hollywood. i'm glad he isn't a magatard anymore, that wasn't very fun. quantum journalism.... glad i finally have a name for it! i said this in another thread, but i think most of the major headlines over the past 4 years in particular have been generated by AI. "black lives matter" was the first major success of the algorithm. it's the perfect topic to endlessly divide people and keep them debating and clicking. think of how much ad revenue was generated by these companies just from getting hits off BLM stories? the perfect narrative. there's no goal, no actual meaning... just buzz phrases and vague concepts for people to lose themselves in.murder hornets is another example of an AI story. it started off after a weekend during lockdowns when shitloads of people were going to the beach. the AI took these inputs and crafted a story to scare people and keep them inside. clearly this thing isn't perfect yet!
>>27255376Go back to schizo, and x your meds
>>27255398Go schizo to meds, and back your x
>>27255362my research was promoting my books and getting censored. hackernews-banned for questioning firefox anti-privacy cloud bssaidit-banned for pointing out admins were letting shills selectively ad hom attack metwitter-silod, no one saw my posts at all, glows interrogated meonions news-all manner of psych trollingmastadon-locked out of account, just verify email, no email ever arrives, 2 different nodesokcupid-cop dates>>27255306ill look it up.>>27255292for some reason they let me post here now, for a long time all of my /x posts were eaten by site. take meds incoming on me, for certain. this image in particular is hated by admins for some reason. basically if you actually have been targeted, the entire system aligns to try to put you in an asylum, because it has to. if there were an investigative journalist who would listen, they can barrage that person with actual insane people to undermine any witness who has retained their sanity thus far. it is very much like "they live." you should be scared. it is gaslighting as a form of government on a grand scale.
>>27255405NEW THREAD>>27255405NEW THREAD>>27255405NEW THREAD>>27255405
>>27255383Yeah I stopped watching Owen a while ago, but stumbled back again and I gotta say it's interesting how he has progressed. The guy is constantly learning and re-evaluating and admitting when he is wrong. His near Beartaria times app is refreshing (if redundant) much better scrolling than the pornography thats on instagram and twitter.Covid is also the perfect Quantum story. It can endlessly divide the population. China may be a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them.
>>27254494The last real poster of this thread.
>>27254188Yeah, they're tying things to the topic no matter how loose the real association may be. Very much so a characteristic of mental illness.
>>27255187Dude, that post was me and I was just fucking around. I've made several serious, well thought out posts in this thread, but I just felt like making a silly post making fun of the way he speaks after seeing >>27254863 which was a few posts before mine.I was just joining in a little Nexpo teasing. The similarity to what you show in your image is just because that's actually how he does it, with like a triple length pause.
>>27255353It might be because school just let out in America.
>>27255470oh fuck you
>>27249622Goes to show that neckbeards aren't a big thing anymore. They're trying to turn neets into Chad's.... And it's working.
>>27252568Because if you come here by now you should know it's a 'crazy people talking nonsense' website but when you actually say okay let me read some this of crap and things start making sense and you start connecting dots, your view changes and you're like fuck now I have to sift through all the shills and schizo talk to hopefully run into to some real information.
I'm so disappointed I came so late to this party but, anyway, I'm only chiming in to say that this is one of the most interesting threads I've read on this site in years. Hope to see more bright discussions like this here.
I jus redpilled my in laws about Clinton hit list and pedogate (had to start somewhere easy) and they're like oh no shes a very nice person I've met her before she seems like a nice lady. Then showed them the blue dress bill clinton pic and that's when they went down the rabbit hole and stopped trusting government just a little bit. And that little bit is where we win anons, you have to redpill a few normies around you even if you sound like a nut this is what we all have to do to push back the npc programming most people have which is when you present a conspiracy theory all they can do is respond with the programming which is oh they can't be doing that that's too illegal they're politicians they don't have the energy for THAT. And when you show them redpills they start to get offended and saying nonono that's not true it's propaganda made by the opposing party and deep down they know it might be true but they just can't fathom it because of how deep their state is.
>>27256431>redpilledStopped reading there.
Wow came back to this thread after a few hours and it's a shitshow. We're on to something boys, they wouldn't send this many bots/shills to derail if there wasn't something to discuss. I'll post this again in the next thread we make but I think we need to outline the criteria for a bot/shill so that we can root out anons that are real and ignore those that aren't. When you think about it, without the moderation of the "regular net" the only avenue of censorship they have against us is the bump limit, which bots and people responding to bots puts us closer to, so the less we engage with them the better. Hope some of you are still listening, keep digging, we got some work to do. Any anon have an idea of how long the Nobody General's been going on for? That should be our next order of business, going through the archives to see what kind of patterns we see. Also, any crossposters know if there are any generals/recurrent threads on other boards that resemble the patterns we're seeing with the Nobody generals?
>>27256431You need to give them breadcumbs and let them do the rest. You cannot redpill someone because you cannot help them, they need to get redpilled by themselves.
>>27256508The new /DIT/ is already shilled.For the next one we need OP to post something like:>ignore shills and bots with empty replies. They try to derail the thread>avoid obvious baitsAnything more?
>>27256570Sounds /ng/ is growing into something else. Should we apply /ng/ tactics to other more dangerous (for the shadow govt) thread topics?
>>27256508ng is the most glowing botfilled nonsense of entire /x, its a disgrace. (((they))) hijacked the entire idea to make it look like a cult, and thats what you want to emulate? you glow. anyone who doesnt see my memes above for what the real nobody concept is about. >>27256570its actually a shill tactic now to gang up on anyone bringing new information, say ignore then, accuse them of derailing, when entire thread is propaganda. jews did it on /pol GAG bullshit concept a few weeks ago. demonstrated here. a gang of shills surrounds truth posts with "uh oh the schizos are here now dont respond to them" and happened here as soon as i dropped actual memetics. sad.frankly 99% of what i see on /x is obviously not real. its a thousand jews and cops running a massive larp to create mental illness in the population at large.
>>27256663"Schizo" and "take your meds" are two of the most glowing term I find here.
>>27256695well said.id post the jidf gif of them typing take your meds 100 times an hour for shekels, but this is my acutal response, and it fits the DIT. They are using psyops on a mass scale to deaden the population spiritually, and this results in echo chambers, the propaganda working. At same time the spiritual leadership of the world is under constant attack every time they post, and the shills have taken over admin and janny posts. Situation is bad, so i risk somewhat posting such truths. Which are hardly edgy. This was milquetoast even 10 years ago. But now it sounds like from another planet. At least no one will accuse me of being a shill with any credibilty, although they have tried on many occasions. Ive been called crazy online by shills at least afew thousand times in last 5 years. At very least.
>>27256833>implying shaming tactics work on anonsThe only one shamed and ridiculized for "schizo" replies are the ones that post them. This is an anonymous board, you don't exist here, only your ideas. Leave your ego behind.
>>27252711>>27252850Unironically:1. Post it on a blog or something to misdirect the heat,2. Generate heat. Make it so they try to shut you up and you get the Streisand effect. Like this >>27254369>>27253284The thing is that non-shill-ness is essentially an honest signal.A real anon has no reason to use thought-terminating cliches, gotchas, demand infinite/"legitimate" proof, etc. The only reason one would do that is to harm the conversation.>>27253339Holy shit I'm German and I feel the same way. I know what bullshit works but I can't bring myself to use it. I always thought it was just mild 'tism.>>27253694Based, thanks anon.>>27254006For what it's worth there are a handful of users on here who seem actually mentally ill and are easily identifiable by their writing style.>>27254102Kek, I like the idea of this but it doesn't explain why they brigade threads that anger them.>>27254188After yesterday I went over there to see if I could google any of their phrases, since more simplistic bots just steal phrases. It all seemed organic but when you zoom out it doesn't make any sense.>>27255020>>27255071You may have just helped a bot handler...>>27255044Normie isn't a binary variable. Do you think I was born /x/pilled? There's always some people on the edge of waking up.
>>27257003well said, see>No.27255260but people who should in any other timeline than an evil one be full time paid writers, but who are blacklisted from such industries, it utlimately contributes to the dead internet, as only people like idk jordan peterson get credibility and broadcast, who are just part of echochamber. For 300 milliion people the intellectual culture of the united states is actually tiny. Same for music, tv, journalism, and then people who should be contributing to that vibrancy are "contained" on anon boards. The long term threat is a physical purge, that could really happen.Then you will see a real dead internet, like handmaids tale, but with jews running the show. And not in distant future. Pic explains the basic mechanic of what has happened over last 10 years on corp platforms.It is sophisticated and concerted. Also notice they started new thread within minutes of me starting to meme here.
A modest proposal:Start a new thread where we communicate entirely with images like in this post >>27251973
>>27257130>blacklisted peopleIt doesn't work. You could said that if we post here we are someone to blacklist but the reality is that we are bored and we found a good thread to have a great debate.If you cast away from society someone that can question their own ideas and are able to change their minds... then the internet is not dead, the entire society is.