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fug joe brandon
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I don't like america very much, not to be rude
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can't wait for some of these lads to show
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/eftgen/ spammer is back everyone!
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>>4574641
kek
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Good thread
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I'm not a socialist but that's a good thread.
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>>4579106
Video would've been better for convincing sake if it focused more on stats rather than just plain statements about the army. Also discord invites are fucking gay.
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>>4579111
Not my video
>>4579109
That's a glownigger btw
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>>4579106
DISCORD INVITE?! Kill yourself nigger.
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>>4574644
>viewed as interferring with the elections of other countries
>video shows example after example where US toppled un-elected leader
???
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>>4574649
amazing thank you
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>>4574651
This guy don't understand the strategy of China to take over Australia is to make Han Chinese the majority in Australia and to have them proud, patriotic Chinese.
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>>4582536
So, it was real communism or not? Make your mind already.
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>>4582675
Real socialism, yes. Communism its like a dream, an ideal society to aspire to. For us, born in the USSR, it was like the American Dream for US citizens, but not as a dream of individual success, but as a dream of common success.
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Wealth redistribution doesn't work though and welfare states are shit. I live in krautland and all the leftist shit is making everything worse.
>>4574638
Real right-wingers/libertarians would be against the war and bush too.
We just need a solution beyond left and right. Our whole system is rotten.

The only true solution is Ted
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>>4582738
The main reason why I hate leftism and socialism is because of the collectivism. I don't want to be forced to share or give my stuff away. If a buy land I want to do with it whatever I want. I want others to get the fuck away.

But I also hate this capitalistic plastic culture. Sometimes I feel like John Savage from Brave New World.
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>>4582536
>We are fifty or a hundred years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they will crush us.
>He had found Russia working with wooden ploughs and is leaving her equipped with atomic piles.
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>>4582728
And so, you just said that socialism was indeed tried and that it has killed 40 millions people.
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Test
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>>4580530
yeah well ur right. I guess more people know about sadam and gadafi then the hit that put pinoche in power, for example i cant even remember the guy's name but i remember he was democratically elected.
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>>4580681
i don't get this one. weakening the labour market improves the negotiating position of the labour force, not weaken it. it also hurts other aspects that elites are interested in, and i very much doubt that it helps profit in the short or in the long run (history says otherwise).
the only way i can see this being benefitial at all is if companies are restructured in such a way that efficiency is greater at the cost of the workforce, as was the case with the elimination of the middle class and the traditional career ladder. but this is not the type of policy that you'd see implemented as a result of anti-inflationary measures.
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>muh WMDs
oh please this is no different than any other intervention
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>>4582912
There is no point hiding this fact.
If you start from a retarded agrarian culture, and faced with opposing ideological superpowers trying to bring you down in every way save outright war, you're going to have to sacrifice human life on a treadmill to have any chance of surviving.
If you start from a developed nation, and faced with opposing ideological superpowers, well, there's probably still going to be a lot of deaths.
Even socialism only really "works" under the condition that there isn't an opposing ideological superpower still in play. Which means that essentially the conditions for a humane kind of socialism are similar to that of communism, an "enlightened" state of most every person on this planet.
The truth is that collectivist societies like this (and other variations, like fascism of Nazi Germany) can only function under very specific (and mostly, inhumane) circumstances. The best kind of collectivist society we can dream up is one resulting from creating strong artificial intelligence to govern, protect and see to our needs, but this would also represent a potential extinction class event.
My 2 cents, fuck it all. The neolib, capitalist hellscape is here to stay. I'm too cynical to be a true believer of any ideology at this point. I just want to survive, and for my friends and family to survive. I just want to get away from it all as much as I can.
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>>4582741
Meant to include John Savage guy in the reply.
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Salvador Allende
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>>4584256
kys tranny
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>>4585816
>could you live on 1.90
yes if I can own my on property and not being forced to share my corps. oy vey you're bad goy you need to input in economy and pay taxes so we can distribute welf to retards.
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>>4574638
That webm has absolutely nothing to do with leftism, retard
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>>4585837
Then you'll be killed for your bread you anti-social kulak.
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>>4574641
fucking kek
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>>4574664
wtf is this, anon? source?
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>>4586003
I was taught by my family history, if commi show up again, I will not leave my property and will protect it until I die or fuck you up.
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>>4584263
It's all so tiresome...
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>>4574638
Lefties are so fucking retarded. Why do leftists idealize creating some multicultural multi-ethnic "utopia" that seems to match perfectly with the goals of bankers, politicians, and industrialists?
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>>4574638
>Socialist .webm general
>Liberals get lined up against the wall
>there's a difference
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>>4586297
>be a socialist retard
>posts a webm of a socialist retard

You really showed him, tranny.
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>>4586556
Modern lefties will always suck up to liberal establishment. Their entire movement has been corrupted since the bolshevik revolution.
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>>4586516
Unironically based Israel.
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>>4586003
>Then you'll be killed for your bread you anti-social kulak.

With what you anti-gun tranny?
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>>4586003
>we need to seize every bit of land and nationalize it, so then we can create farmer communes and force them to meet production quotas at the sacrifice of their own sustenance!
>we will tell farmers what to grow with zero consideration for what works the best, as that will create imbalances and therefore oppression
>this serfdom to the state will surely free the workers and the ensuing famine will be because of those kulaks we gulag'd
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>>4586297
No he's right, kys tranny, I can't believe the future of the workers has been left in the hands of terminally online trannies.

Let me help you with your thread since the last few webms have sucked.
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>>4575874
Based, was able to watch The Wobblies this past Mayday.
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>>4586826
*May Day
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>>4586051
He reached into his kideny and hackney bus.
t. a9r9r
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>>4586587
Hey, why wouldn't you let socialists tell you how to farm? They went to schools you know.
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>>4587087
They know best, after all. The children of wealthy parents, who spent their entire lives in academia, should lead the working class involved in manual labor. If left to their own devices, some farmers would be more productive than others, and that is inherently oppressive.
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>>4587109
>Poor people critique capitalism
>"What are you jealous of rich people or something? Maybe if you work hard you'll become rich too"
>Rich people critique capitalism
>"What are you a hypocrite or something?"
Why are rightoid reactionaries like this?
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>>4587109
What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously, what the fuck does any of that have to do with anything? You made up people in your head, you created a narrative for them, and are upset about them and their hypocrisy, which you gave them.
>>4587087
Bunch of anarchist faggots. Classic brainworms though, implying socialists and farmers can't be the same thing. You should be put in a open mine somewhere.
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>>4587112
Did I say criticizing capitalism was bad? Not only do we not live in a capitalist society, as it's so heavily regulated by the government. Our current market economy is built on exploiting the cheapest labor possible in order to continuously maintain consumption by the masses. It's not sustainable in the slightest, as it has forced individuals out of business in favor of more highly centralized entities that work closely with governments. The leftist sees this thinks it's actually capitalism despite the obvious government involvement. A good example would be healthcare in America. The government constantly cuts blank checks to insurance companies who happily charge as much as they can because they don't have to compete with anyone. There is no incentive for them to be efficient with their spending, as the government will constantly keep the money flowing.

>>4587122
I mean just about every leader that lefties worship was born to a wealthy family, like Lenin for example. Lefties are almost always born of academia rather than hard labor.
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>>4587139
You should seriously be thrown into a mineshaft, Jesus Christ.
>HURR ITS NOT CAPITALISM BECAUSE UH THERE'S A GOVERNMENT OWNED BY CORPORATIONS
>ITS ONLY CAPITALISM WHEN I'M WINNING AND NOT THE GUYS WINNING ALREADY
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>>4587162
>implying I'm winning
>implying the government and corporations aren't the same
>implying this is capitalism when they work with each other on behalf of banks
>implying this is capitalism when there is no room for competition thanks to regulation meant to target small operations
Can you tell me how central banks buying up governments and manipulating currencies is capitalism? Capitalism implies there is a form of competition.
>implying
>implying I like the system we have
>implying that socialism and the inevitable genocide of millions of productive people will solve anything
You fucking lefties create a utopia in your head where everyone is brown skinned and loves to cooperate. Reality is very different. Until the day comes that lefties realize that they need a homogeneous population if they wish to create their ideal system, they will always end up needing to slaughter millions of people that never oppressed anyone. The best thing now would be to remove bankers entirely and move to a currency based on something that cannot be manipulated. Another thing would be to stop caring about identity politics. Leftists love obsessing over terminally online mentally ill people and their imaginary oppression at the hands of people just going about their daily lives. Leftists also love obsessing over people that haven't formed a functioning civilization in their entire history, let alone invent the wheel. It's rotted your movement from the inside, and it's entirely an invention of Wall Street bankers and their politician friends.
>you should seriously be thrown into a mine shaft
Lefties always resort to violence when someone disagrees with them. If you quit sperging out for a minute you might realize we have some common ground. We both hate the current system, but you think our problems come from something entirely different to reality. You end up working to destroy the system without eliminating the cancer itself.
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>>4587665
Not him but I agree. Capitalism has evolved into something worse.
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>>4587665
>>4587684
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>>4587684
>>4587686
I agree, one could even make the argument that this is the inevitable result of capitalism. I would add that this an inevitable result of a multicultural society with zero identity beyond what product is consumed or which multinational corporation you work for. There is also the unfortunate side effect of these elites at the very top along with central banks creating diversions through social engineering, resulting in the present identity politics. These have been solely designed to distract the public from their liberty being eaten away. They continue to utilize technology to ensure we never "go off the reservation" and keep up the infighting through identity politics. This is why I dislike leftists so much, as they wholeheartedly embraced identity politics. They assume white guys are the reason for their suffering, and wonder why white working class guys don't embrace their ideas.
I like those webms you posted. He seems to be a rare leftist in this present who actually criticizes central banks and acknowledges that we are no longer in a capitalist system. I find a lot of common ground with this guy in terms of economics.
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>>4587112
Leftoids are not poor people, they are city rats who can afford $75000 college fee to learn about top down academia horseshit like socialism.
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>>4588305
>afford
no they're retards getting student loans piling on debt then crying for the government to bail them out of ttheir retarded decision
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>>4588323
>retarded decision
I like how you assume this decision to pursue higher education was entirely something they did on their own with nothing else contributing to it.
>be 18
>you're graduating highschool
>for the last year, all your peers, your parents, your highschool guidance counselors, and colleges themselves have been urging you to pursue higher education
>all the advertisements for FAFSA, school scholarships, sponsorships, etc have all been egging you to apply to school.
>How are you supposed to know better?
>Do you have any actual reasonable perspective to reject all of this?
>none of these entities have spoken to you about paying for school or the ramifications of overzealous bans on alternatives to debt relief or any of it
>no promises or prospects of success only being indebted for life should you be unsuccessful in any capacity.
uhh nope this was all your doing, you chose to sign on the line.
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>>4574638
>Liberals get lined up against the wall edition
Most modern socialists are socially liberal. You would have been the ones facing the wall in communist dictatorships
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Feels good being a normal decent human being and not some psychopathic communist or fascist sympathizer
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>>4588337
That's just means you are a weak minded loser completely addicted to social approval, like a woman.
>be 18
>you're graduating high school
>go to work
Whoa that's so hard.
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>>4587122
>You should be put in a open mine somewhere.
I'd do normal shift and go home, with absolutely no socialist cocksucker in sight. Maybe in HR.
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OP you know this is a pointless thread right?
Let the waters rise, let people live in overpriced cubicles and eat bugs while their kike overlords live on top of them and send them to foreign lands to die for israel.
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>>4586622
Fact: polcucks are the dumbest people of 4chan.
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>>4582675
that's big debate in the left
i think stalin was just a red fascist and no better than the nazis he fought
authoritarianism is not a leftist value
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Thoughts on this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKhcEkAkreU
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>>4588581
Ntg but immiseration is a consequence of capitalism's success. That's what causes socialism, all the shit stacks up at the bottom of the economic pyramid and when the cake is all at a tiny point at the top change happens.

Fucken USpoltards who think there's a competition between ideologies are so dumb, the suvcess of one brings about the other.
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>>4588727
>said the /pol/whiner who shits up every thread on every board whenever someone triggers him with an opinion he doesn't like
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>>4588727
Why do lefties and twitter lib irony bros love right wing memes so much
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>>4584061
>weakening the labour market improves the negotiating position of the labour force
???

Of course not, when they're high unemployment people think twice about quitting their jobs, will be afraid of getting fired, will accept work conditions they wouldn't otherwise, and will avoid causing trouble or strike.
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aw sweet a cia thread
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>>4587112
Because that what their thought leaders have told them throughout their entire lives.

They do not want to study. They do not want to understand. They want to consume media that does not require them to think. That's why they are the way they are. They are slaves, and they like it that way.
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>>4588867
>go to lefty thread
>get upset because tranny, kike, niggers in your head
"stop being a faggot"
>NOOOO YOYU STARTED IT
Oh okay.
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>>4574638
>>4574644
what does this shit have to do with leftism, retardos
the left today is about all greatest corps on earth butchering your children, oh wait you dont have any you dysgenic parasites
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>>4574654
Jesus saves. It isn't too late.
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>>4584256
I am curious, how much to produce this one - in dollars please?
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You already have your own thread

>>4585223
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>>4590053
this is you >>4586297
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>>4589883
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>>4591318
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>>4589899
The "left" you speak of are liberals.
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>>4582738
god its getting worse and worse out there. homeless used to only be around the city center, very few ouside of that. now there's homeless everywhere all over the local commercial street in the suburbs
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>>4587684
>>4587686
He makes valid points, but once he goes slamming Facebook and Amazon he completely loses his point.
The mere existence of Facebook and Amazon stops no one from starting their own copy.
As long as /pol/iticians keep out, the Internet is as open as it could possibly be. It's when they started intervening on a broader scale, that things went south. Rapidly.
Because they have no fucking idea what they are dealing with. To use the image he draws up: Facebook would be ONE house in that city of Ljubljana he envisions there. Not the entire town. And frankly said, except for geezers absolutely no one goes there these days. Facebook is dead.
What's (unfortunately) not dead is Whatsapp, which tells a story about how massively public institutions like the antitrust authorities have fucked up on a global scale. It's /pol/iticians that keep fucking up. All the regulation we need is in place, use them according to their original intention and things will be fine.
It's unfortunate he ruins the credibility of his central bank analysis earlier on with that bullshit.
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>>4582738
>live in krautland and all the leftist shit is making everything worse.
Same here, but you have to remember all that bullshit comes from the other side of the big pond.
All our top-politicians are bought up and/or made exploitable by them.
Look at what being in that position has done to Lauterbach. He has completely lost it.
And we can be glad Baerbock got stripped to the bone beforehand regarding her CV by forces from outside the German MSM, otherwise it could have gotten even worse.
>Miss Baerbock, you don't want your people to know what happened in college, do you?
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>krautland
I miss the good old times bros.
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>>4591563
beautiful, anon
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>>4586624
what video is this a clip from? he hit the nail on the fucking head.
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>>4584256
>>4575877
Why can't the left make its own memes?
>>4584280
Something like this is x10 more funny and takes a hundredth of the effort of plagiarizing other peoples artwork.
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>>4591563
>>4592134
Do you guys fall for every advertisment?
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>>4591563
You do not. East Germany was as far from the woke pipe-dream as it could possibly be.
People deemed "lazy" were imprisoned and forced to work.
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>>4591362
you mean real life people with actual activity in politics and not your discord server where you think you're edgy for saying le kim il sung is le based
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>>4592283
>vote blue no matter who

Wow that sure worked out well.
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>>4592383
have to remember to properly get the audio for this one
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>>4592386
this one too lol
guess they were right about communists not putting any effort into anything
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>>4592378
pol pot was a very mediocre man with little to no education, formal or informal

anybody who has read the communist manifesto knows more about communism and socialism than pol pot did

Norodom Sihanouk, the former king of Cambodia before the Red Khemer took power, was a far more impressive figure and unlike Pol Pot, or Saloth Sâr which was his real name, Norodom had actually studied Marx, Lenin, and Mao.
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>>4592403
and yet, pol pot became one of the greatest men who ever lived. really makes you think if theory is truly needed for being a leader.
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>>4592411
the only thing Pol Pot managed to do was to kill a million Cambodians

good thing the vietnamese communist party decided to step in and end the madness
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>>4592274
>People deemed "lazy" were imprisoned and forced to work.
Anon that's a good thing. It's like Lenin said, "He who does not work shall not eat".
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>>4592414
>the only thing Pol Pot managed to do was to kill a million Cambodians
wrong
>vietnamese communist party
lol
how can one man be this deluded?
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>>4589899
leftists are the biggest neoliberal megacorp bootlickers in existence.
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>>4592468
>leftists
>neoliberal bootlickers
must be hard not floating away with a head that light
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>>4592470
it's just reality and how leftists are in practice I'm sorry it offends you.
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>>4592430
so you admit then that you know absolutely nothing about Cambodia under CPK rule?

you are obviously trolling
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>>4592283
Your tiny pocket of political reality in the US is not indicative of the world, there's literally billions of people out there in the global south anon.
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>>4588916
Yes, the famously pro Left CIA, which has been actively massacring, imprisoning and torturing to protect their bourgeois masters from the threat of socialist thought for umm, forever.
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>>4588342
>modern socialists are socially liberal
meaningless wordplay

real politics isn't a fucking song and dance with fun identities to tie yourself to, mutt
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>socialist thread

>full of liberal and conservative seethe

you are both vermin, fuck off out of here
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>>4592471
name 5 things liberals and marxists have in common
waiting
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I love these lefty threads. The marxist leninist cringe squad from discord shills their shit on every platform they can, pretending that the 99% of self described marxist socialists aren't socially liberal to a degree that makes the indistinguishable from liberals.
What's worse, anyone who observes the larger self described marxist movements can note that they revel in all the liberal bullshit about trannies, fags, nogs and all the rest. At the same time the marxist leninist cringe squad wants to pretend they themselves are not like that. They have to make the argument that their 150 'people' strong discord is the last bastion of true marxist socialism left on earth. So why should anyone bother with you? The worker would be much better served tying his wagon to a liberal workers rights movement than some tranny freaks on discord.

Regardless of all that liberals and self described marxists are product of the same culture industry. They have the same ingroup and outgroup distinctions. The only difference between them is that when pressed on economic issues, the 'true' marxist will waffle about his economic fan fiction utopia and religious prophecies about the world that is to come as foretold by the texts that he quotes relentlessly. Like a bible thumping retard who doesn't understand that appealing to his own belief isn't a good proselytizing argument. Let alone a relevant distinction between him and the liberal. All they prove is that, where they agree with the culture industry, they support and fight for it against anyone who opposes it, being completely unaware of it. And where they disagree they are completely powerless and get nothing. Yet never question this dynamic. The definition of useful idiots.
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>>4592521
>so you admit then that you know absolutely nothing about Cambodia under CPK rule?
i know more than you, to be certain
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>>4574638
Liberal (n): Any person who doesn't lean at least as far to the right as the person using the word.
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>>4592589
>marxists
Nice strawman. I'm talking about leftists in reality, in practice, in contemporary times. Not some Discord full of teenagers. Leftists in practice, in reality, in contemporary times are the biggest neoliberal and megacorp bootlickers in existence.
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>>4592631
exactly, and this is a socialism/marxist thread
nothing like your western leftist liberalism
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>>4592632
the socialism/marxism brand is owned by the western leftist liberalism you pretend to hate. Why are you carrying water for them by shilling their branding?
You're not going to coopt it any more than you could coopt the branding of CokaCola.
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>>4592611
you've not provided a single line motivating your retarded opinions
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>>4592685
why must i? you seem convinced in your own beliefs, and it does not seem to me as if i can change them.
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>>4592678
What do you think actual marxists should do then? Stop calling themselves marxists?
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>>4592678
no, its stolen
i know what true communism and marxism is, degenerates can misuse its meaning but itll never change marx's words
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>>4592705
for someone who claims to know much about the khmer rouge, you sure do seem unwilling to provide any information that could support that statement.
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>>4592713
see >>4592705
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>>4592631
>>4592678
terminal american brainrot. marxism isn't owned by liberals, they absolutely despise it.

you don't know what these words mean, and have heard third hand about these concepts through reddit or tv at best.
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>>4592631
>>4592678
watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpKsygbNLT4

you should at least know what you're criticizing, right?
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>>4592736
The point being made is that most self described marxists are liberal in practice. Don't reply when you are too thick to follow a simple line of argumentation.
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>>4592742
I want to ask the true marxists here, is this guy a true marxist or just a liberal?
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>>4592743
how do you know thou?

because tucker carson told you?
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>>4592753
is me telling you that second thought is a marxist enough? are you unable to tell for yourself by just watching his content?

if you're familiar with marxism it should be easy for you to differentiate between a liberal and a marxist
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>>4592754
because that's what self described true marxist anons in this thread have been saying? It's amazing you call me American but immediately jump to some American tv boogeyman for reference instead of just following the conversation in the thread.
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>>4592763
>most self described marxists are liberal in practice
how do you know this is true when you cant tell the difference between marxism and liberalism?
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>>4592758
He seems like the very typical redditor marxist to me, who will bend to whatever liberal orthodoxy demands. I thought the cool true marxists who make these threads were different than this guy. That's what was said.
I mean, why would you cool true marxists associate with a guy who sides with liberal lgbt shit and consumed mainstream media outrage propaganda? I thought you said you were different.
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>>4592774
>redditor marxist
so he's not a marxist then? what makes you say that? please be specific.
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>>4592768
If I say that most marxists are just liberals with a marxist aesthetic, the alleged true marxists claim this is false. When I mention whatever liberal fag hub on reddit or twitter, that have millions of users, where they all claim to be marxists, or local marxist clubs, that are filled to the brim with liberal blm lgbt shit, the true marxists here will say that they are not true marxists.
But now, when I ask for true marxists to demonstrate they are not liberal... they post the same redditor marxism they attacked prior.

It's not me with the problem of identification. As it stands the only true marxists here are the 15 discord tranny marxist leninists who made the thread. Outside of that they can't point to a single self described marxist that isn't neck deep in liberal propaganda.
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>>4592778
Again, if you can't keep up with the thread of the conversation you can't participate. Take, for example this comment: >>4592632
I am asking what this true marxism is. I am given a link to a western leftist liberal.
Are you too dumb to see the contention or?
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>>4592708
If they control the branding they can do what they want with it. Which they are doing. Which is why almost every single self described marxist is a liberal media propaganda regurgitator, wrapped in a rainbow colored BLM flag talking about how important abortion is. If an actual worker is against any of these liberal propaganda tools the 'marxists' will attack them.

>>4592707
I have no idea. But recognizing the problem would be a start. Judging by how this thread is going, I'd say marxism is as good as dead. Being nothing more than a sock puppet dancing around at the behest of its liberal masters.
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>>4592781
you need to be able to define what "redditor marxism" is because otherwise its whatever

you also need to be able to define what a "true marxist" is. Is it someone who adheres strictly to the writings of Marx and Engels, or are they allowed to be marxists in a more modern sense and incorporate marxist theory from the last 150 years?

otherwise we'll just be arguing over arbitrary pure/unpure. Personally I think its a divisive line of discourse to accuse self proclaimed marxists of being liberals just because they're not 100% ideologically coherent.
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>>4592799
>Being nothing more than a sock puppet dancing around at the behest of its liberal masters.
Using your purity requirements, I do not think there is a single ideology that's not just edgy liberalism.

It's not true of course - It's what the liberals wants you to think.
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Because socialism is terrible... But it's also the same as liberalism so its meaningless to try to do something about it anyway :^)
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I am working from the definitions of other people in this thread, which I took as just being correct on good faith alone. They claimed there was such a thing as a liberal and a marxist, that those two exist today and that they are distinct from one another in a meaningful way. I was playing with these definitions and teasing out their differences. Which aren't very many. As was outlined prior:>>4592608

I don't believe there is a meaningful distinction between liberal and marxist in the modern day IN PRACTICE. You can invoke theory, quote Marx and all that. It doesn't change the content of the people who are living today and the consequence of their actions. In practice, the liberal supports lgbt blm internationalism and in practice the marxist supports lgbt blm internationalism. They can argue about their personal beliefs in theory, but those are no more relevant than their atheism or belief in god. Its simply not a factor in any practical sense.
The consequence of their advocacy is the erosion of institutions that helped the working class organize and contextualize their personal lives. Marriage, close communities that could facilitate organization like a Church and a stable work environment where the knowledge of the older generation can be past on to the next instead of being outsourced to the third world or be completely gutted of any financial security through mass immigration of competing labour.

I could be a marxist if it wasn't filled with homo niggerloving foreigner-worship. I can see the working class being taken advantage of. But when I point to the specific means and mechanisms of how it's being done, the established marxists recoil, call me a fascist and fight against me tooth and nail. It shows very clearly what their advocacy is actually about. Their true belief is not marxism. Their ingroup and outgroup distinctions are not about workers. It's all derived from liberalism and it services the same master. Marx wasn't about it but they are.
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>>4592855
you do not want to ground your argument because you know that would kill it

im done with you

waste of time
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>>4592811
With this wide a birth to what constitutes purity, you would be correct. And if we narrow the scope to just what people purport to believe, you are even more correct.But as soon as we introduce an element of action you stop being correct. There is a difference between a person who acts in concordance with their beliefs and a person who does not.
As an example: a person who wants to advocate for the working class, but decides to adopt an aesthetic that makes them look repulsive to the portion of the working class that most desperately needs to be emancipated, clearly isn't serious about their advocacy for the working class. They are more serious about their aesthetic. You can tell by their actions.

Another example, more close to my heart, would be to ask what is the difference between a libertarian with an asian wife and a white nationalist with an asian wife? There is none. You can argue the theoretical differences of ideology, but in reality, in practice, through consequence, we can deduce that they are the same.
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>>4592868
also, cut the jack sparrow impersonation

if you were smart, we would know that from your arguments. But your arguments are bad and you try to cover that up with verboseness. You're just ranting and dodging the questions.
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>>4592859
>you need to make my argument for me or I quit!
I can't deduce a meaningful practical difference between marxists and liberals either, champ
lmao
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>>4592875
finally, you admit it

i accept your concession
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>>4592873
>this is like that guy on tv
tv brained
the argument is that there is a difference between theory and practice. And that differences in practice matter, but differences in theory do not. I gave examples to illustrate.
>you are dodging the arguments
>you are bad
you are just describing your own post.
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>>4592877
what concession? The thing I wrote 20 posts ago and linked in my reply to you? >>4592608
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And the thing written in the post you replied to directly: >>4592855
> I don't believe there is a meaningful distinction between liberal and marxist in the modern day IN PRACTICE.
lmao you are so desperate to spin this somehow. Maybe you should read what you are replying to instead of just coping though cognitive dissonance.
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>>4592800
>this argument
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>>4594063
cucked

you are cucked

and a fed
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>>4594063
song name?
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>>4592589
both support mass imigration and the dissolution of borders
both support cia involvement in other countries elections (see vaush and his fans)
both upport the mutilation of children in the name of queer theory
both support killing children (abortion)
being astroturfed up by international finance (see Blackrock, WEF)
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>>4576969
>no one trusts the global revolutionary committee but they trust each other
how is this a victory for you guys?
or did you forget that these people own you
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>>4580683
jews are awful at writing dialogue
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>>4588739
>authoritarianism is not a leftist value
sure does show up a lot in left wing movements for something that isn't one of their values
even the spanish anarchists kept slaves
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>>4586516
this video was made by a right winger
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>>4587112
poor people who critique caputalism are all right wing
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>>4595104
it's easy to usurp a legitimate movement for your own gain, which is what a lot of people who called themselves communist did
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>>4595140
prove it
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>>4595140
yeah?
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>>4595140
i mean no lol
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There is already a thread for you psychos

>>4585223
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>>4578270
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>Any economy is capitalist as long as private individuals control the factors of production. However, a capitalist system can still be regulated by government laws, and the profits of capitalist endeavors can still be taxed heavily.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/capitalism.asp

The best countries for workers are capitalist european countries, not socialist shitholes. If shitty wages and worker conditions were intrinsic to capitalism this would not be true. In fact capitalist countries have always been way more prosperous than socialist shitholes at any point in time. lefties like to cherry pick the US even though the US is no more capitalist than any Scandinavian or Western European country. The US has 'unique' demographics, geography, and history. Its not really comparable to any other country. They have a horrible and bloated regulatory framework that doesn't achieve anything. Despite passing just as many regulations as European countries and even having more regulatory bodies. They spend more on welfare and it doesn't fix anything so they keep doing more of the same like morons. The US is just badly run, no way around it.

You could raise taxes, mandate vacations, introduce unions, change the entire banking and monetary system, and you would still have capitalism. And unlike socialism, capitalism is flexible and has much better record. Your ideology is a hard sell and has never actualized it's own utopia. Stop being an ideologue and actually see socialism for what it is, purely a theory.
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>>4596409
Cool story bro.
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>>4596422
you cant defend your shitty ideology if your life depended on it.
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>>4596430
How about you start with actually forming an argument instead of vomiting words on the keyboard?
>>4596409
>The best countries for workers are capitalist european countries, not socialist shitholes.
Source?
>In fact capitalist countries have always been way more prosperous than socialist shitholes at any point in time
This is true, but it's worth taking things in context. People compare the USSR to the USA when the USSR was more comparable to a country like Brazil or Bolivia when it was first formed. And the USSR ended up becoming the second superpower of the world and would have eventually overtaken the USA if it hadn't been for Gorbachev's idiocy. And yes, it wasn't socialism that collapsed, it was Gorbachev's attempts to liberalize the economy that fucked the Soviet Union. And the Soviet Union guaranteed rights like the right to vacation, right to daycare for your kids, right to maternity leave. If the USSR had continued its course which was described by the bourgeois leadership of the cccp as "untolerable stagnation" it's economy would have been 140% bigger than Russia is now as a free market economy. Reminder that it achieved this despite economic embargoes, technological embargoes etc.
>And unlike socialism, capitalism is flexible and has much better record
Almost every socialist country has had a phase of free markets at one point. The USSR had NEP, for example.
Recommended reading for you;
Socialism Betrayed by Keeran, Kenny
How the world works by Paul Cockshott(I recommend his youtube channel as well)
Actually read Marx(even secondary literature is ok) because I doubt you even know what Marxism is.

Also, capitalism doesn't really have a much better record
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.2190/AD12-7RYT-XVAR-3R2U
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>>4596474
>Source?
Scandinavia, Belgium, NZ, Lithuania.
>Almost every socialist country has had a phase of free markets at one point.
And?
>USSR was more comparable to a country like Brazil or Bolivia when it was first formed
The land the USSR acquired after ww2 was some of the most commodity rich land on earth. They had plenty of resources which added substantially to their GDP, especially since they were an agricultural economy for most of their history. The growth burst they experienced early on was mostly due to this. However USSR was inferior to capitalist economies in virtually every sector. In fact despite producing tons of food, their supply chains were so horrible a sizable portion of the food spoiled before it reached the shelves. They were always behind the US, Germany, and Japan when it came to new tech and machinery. At the end of their life span they were literally begging for handouts and loans despite being a commodity rich empire.The average empire lasts 250 years, the USSR barely lasted 70. Their claim to power was mostly due to Nuclear arms and size. They were a superpower on paper. Economic sanctions aren't a big deal for commodity powerhouses, the economic failure came from within. The economic slowdown for the soviets began much earlier than the sanctions anyway. The hardest sanctions were enacted in the 1980s.
>Also, capitalism doesn't really have a much better record
This study does not isolate economic failure from governmental failure. It compares every corrupt third world shithole to countries to any country where socialists/marxists hold power, regardless of whether or not said countries actually have socialist economies. It compares China to chad, uganda, somalia, rawanda and similar corrupt shitholes that had multiple civil wars, conflicts, and horrible demographics because they both have low income. Such blanket comparisons are beneficial when you have a ready conclusion and want to fit the data to match it.
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>>4596474
>>4596550
The USSR was no where close to reaching the manufacturing ability of Japan and Germany let alone the US. Virtually all their consumer sector tech/machinery was outdated and the US was experiencing insane growth at the same time. Their tech lacked standardization which made maintenance very difficult and time consuming. The glaring flaws of central planning were obvious to the soviets all the way back in the 60s. They knew they could not handle the growing complexity of the modern economy. So then they tried to slowly decentralize which did not work. They didn't do it out of love for the west. They could not keep up. The biggest and most advanced hedgefunds in the world cannot predict markets consistently, you think a bunch of bureaucrats can? Modern economies are insanely complex, its why economists struggle to give accurate forecasts. You would not be defending central planning if you had any background in economics or finance. The economic calculation problem is a massive road block to central planning. Why do you think Deng gave up on the command economy as soon as mao died?
>I doubt you even know what Marxism is
>read all this pls
Thats all you know because you are an ideologue. USSR never realized the socialist utopia, neither did China. Central planning is not inherent to socialism, but historically its been one and the same. USSR was objectively an economic failure. You just want a capitalist economy with rigid regulations and wealth distribution.



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