Will we ever get kino like this ever again?
>>904750If the EN managers allow them to
>>904813I fucking HATE Enma
>>904750She already learned her lesson ENmalet her collab again already
>>904750>Holo EN>Holo EN 0 Meth>Holo ID Gen 2I don't get why they don't just do this. It'd be easy and they all speak some level of English.
>>904750>t. only watches ENWe get kino collabs between JPs all the time, in fact we just had one yesterday on Mio's channel
HoloEn is so fucking afraid of drama, they don't allow any collab :(
>>904852What did she do?
>>904918It's that bitch Enma that fucking blocks everything
I will never understand why ENMA hates JP branch so much.
Yes, actually. Kiara has said she's trying to organize an ID/EN collab.
>>904918Maybe they should have thought before filling EN to the brim with drama thot ewhores
>>904931I think it was during one among us collab, Gura's chat was harassing Iofi for not translating things into English for them and both Iofi and Gura weren't happy about it
>>904961The ID's are boring as fuck though minus Ollie
>>904750No because a few autists couldn't tell that Gura was just playing up her fucking saltiness and actually interpreted it as her being legit pissed off at amelia and iofi. People are so autistic that they actually thought she was serious when she said she'd never play with Amelia again and to this day you still see faggots on this board post that Gura hates iofi. Because they never had friends or something and can't interpret human emotions.
>>904961Can.. Can moona join
>>904948Watamate would never support EN
>>904961Ok so really it'll be an Ollie and Moona collab with EN?
>>905037>literally requested and got calli to do backup vocals on her songTry harder with your bait troll.
>>904943she is former CN branch manager...
>>904931The EN/ID/JP Among Us collab was a disaster because they had no translator/mediator and Gura kept getting rekt every single round so cumsharts did what they always do when she's not getting the princess treatment and started harassing the fuck out of everyone. Iofi got the worst of it since she was "supposed" to translate so they attacked her for not doing her job.
>>904750I thought that gen 5 should have had more collabs with holoEn but after the 1, interest seems to kind of fadeit's too bad that all meaningful collabs between jp and en has to be funneled through the orange woman, and she's about to leave japan evenalso no enough holoEN with holoID collabs
>>904983You take that back. Moona and Reine are both great. The other three, sure, I'll give you, whatever
>>905080get 5 is already mistreated, last thing they need is being saddled with EN scum
>>904931Told her underage fans to harass Lofi
>>904750Not after the GurageddonMaybe some other game that allowed mass multiplayer, but they're probably convinced now that language barrier Among Us "doesn't work" or something, because of this shit.
>>905111t. chink who harassed Iofi
>>905123Squad collab.50v50. Everyone gets to shoot.
It won't happen because Gura won't collab anymore outside of HoloEn. She wasn't playing salty. She was salty. She had to address it the next stream and said that she was acting like an idiot. Noone is talking to her. She only responds but never communicate. Nobodg really acknowledge her because she's a snob. She fakes days to respond to any shit.
>>904983Tried actually watching them?
>>905043no it will be EN & ID minus either Gura or Risu because neither of them will agree to be in a game together again
>>904750Holo EN x Holo ID is being planned by Kiara apparently but she's moving countries so who knows if that will happen now.Kiara was the one who organized Holo EN x Gen 5 collab as well.Roboco organized the other collab where the chumbuds got salty.
>Gura still has yet to collab with anyone outside of EN since that day
>>904750Hopefully we will again when management comes to their senses
>>905211Anonchama...Your English reps
>>905245Can you blame her? You have people in this very thread (probably seaniggers judging by their English) starting vendettas over that fucking game. She clearly doesn't want her insane fans to attack her senpai over dumb shit again.
>>905284On a brighter note, I'm sure most other fans of hololive appreciate her taking one for the team and keeping her fans in one place. Its a shame she had to attract so much attention from the worst EoPs imaginable
>>905245I think Gura is smart enough to know how absolutely autistic a large portion of her fanbase is, specially after the Iofi incident
>>905225Seethe all you want, it's the truth. They really should just force move zombie to japan and dispose of the rest of losers
>>905267>didn't allowe Gura to say the number 1 million>blocks Coco from holoEN collabs>forces Haachama out of EN minecraft server and even tells her to drop the "honorary holoEN" thing>POSSIBLY blocked Mori from collabs with senpais (Mori being a lazy shy fuck is more likely though)>most likely block mass collabs like this oneENMA HATE
This collab was terrible
>>905316>>905245>>905284I'm not a guratard, can you guys redpill me on these "incidents"
>>905327Scroll up, nigger
>>905327Read the thread you ape.
>>905304There's nothing stopping her from calling them out and putting her foot down like Risu, Iofi, and Moona do. She is not incapable of controlling her fanbase, regardless of what some people here think. If she really wanted to collab, she most likely could, but she refuses to stand up to her own fans
>>905385She has 2 million fans and I'm willing to bet a sizeable chunk doesn't care for or watch other hololive members. Saying she can just tell them to stop being idiots is quite a stretch
>>904961What's holding that up is that she doesn't want anyone to be left out so she's trying to get permission to use an 11 player mod. There's also the issue that ID has an ungodly time difference with the NA based ENs too
>>905064>picto be fair, the few chumbuds on here are probably not enough to tardwrangle the rest of their group
>>905497>the few chumbuds on hereLike they're any better
>>905423But she does this constantly. When she was told that she was drunk or being stupid. She mocks her viewers... Most of the time in a good natured way but sometimes in a bitter way. She just doesn't know how to correct them at these preconceptions or bad impressions towards other vtubers.
>>905317Awful bait, if you want some (you)'s, you just have to ask.
>>905225Tried watching all of 'em. Most of them are extremely boring. I don't even know how Moona got so many subs considering how boring she is, not only on her own but she's also borderline autistic while collabing. The only ones worth watching are Risu, Ollie, and MAYBE Iofi
>>905536Moona was irrelevant until she started leeching off PekoraIt's not like she grew gradually, she just had insane boosts whenever that happened
>>905497It's not people here, or even people from reddit, it's just the YT-only retards who never engage witht thw rest of the community and don't know how to behave
>>905322They didn't block Mori from doing collabs with HoloJP. They blocked her from doing collabs with indies and non-vtubers. Her frustration was over wanting to collab with people like Ririsya and others that submitted entries to her song contest.
>>905536Reine, though? She's easily the best ID in my books, she's so consistent and entertaining and genuinely talented. Really a cut above the rest. This may be a matter of taste though because I don't personally find Ollie as good as you seem to.
>>905385She literally did on twitter and on her very next stream, she literally told people she was playing up being mad and that her saying she'd never play with amelia again was a joke and that people should stop tweeting at them. But seaniggers and autistis only watched the among us stream so it was all pointless. Hence no more Gura collabs because it's the only way for her to control her retarded fanbase.
>>905560You'd like to believe that but people here love to stir up shit or beg for attention. Need I remind you of all the cringey goslings in Amelia's chat/superchats?
I hope Gura never collabs with filthy indogs ever again. FUCK Iofi for the bullshit she tried to pull, including deleted tweets AND retweeting antis.
>>905516>But she does this constantlyNo anon, she does not. She can manage her own stream but when it comes to stopping people from being assholes to other vtubers she can't do shit.
>>904750This one in particular was fucking kino while the 2nd one brought just a foul mood between Gura and Ame because they accused each other at every meeting and even Mori chimed in (even thoughI loved that scream she did when she found out Ame was imposter again). They seriously need to do another collab with Gen5 or any other Gen and it will be fun.>>905356every fucking time
>>905605Give me an example of her not controlling them well in the last 3 months. I'll wait.
>>905619Just look at this and imagine it on every other site.>>905598
>>905064You’re describing a fan base getting autistic for not understanding that a character is just a character and nothing more.
Amon9us was great. Add in the ID branch and suddenly it goes to shit. What a surprise.
>>905632But both of those are me.>>905649This one too.
>>905649It never went to shit, it had kino moments like suisei going "solly no engrishu". The thing that went to shit was autistis like (you) starting shit on twitter.
>>905605That is exactly my point. She can handle her streams and fans fine but she can't handle how to address the bullying. The dude said it would be a stretch to say she can't ask her viewers to stop acting like idiots... But she does. Constantly.
>>905690The stream was funny if you watched it on Suisei's pov.
>>905598Iofi is miles above your meme shark retard
>Guretards can't handle Gura not being treated as the greatest vtuber of all time>Still tries to defend her from haters despite she herself acknowledging them being wrongGura needs to graduate, its the only way to fix EN. Her fanbase is almost as bad as the chinks spamming Coco
>>904750That argument between Nene/Polka/Ame is still the greatest thing I've witnessed
>>905698Nigger, it's been pointed out in this thread that what you're saying is a complete lie because she actually addressed it in the very next stream. Also look at the amount of vendetta faggots on both sides in this thread alone. Do you really think she can stop these retarded faggots?
>>905690Ame did good enough and she knows as much Japanese as Gura.Gura kept talking to the JP girls like they were fluent in English while Ame talked slow and with simple words.
>>905559>Moona was irrelevantMoona has always been relevant for the wrong reason before Pekora because she was supposed not to appeal foreigners. Her content has always been pure Indo humor and presentation. Her singing stream was underrated, but she has good following despite scuffed with a bad microphone.The reason she's not as popular back then because she was designated country targeted pure-Indo holo. ID1 was the prototype International branch. her weakness has always been the gaming content. Until she played minecraft for the first time and got into JP server, her building skills were honestly impressive. She was inclining rapidly during the first three minecraft stream before Pekora.t.Followed Moona 2 months after her debut
>>905698> it would be a stretch to say she can't ask her viewers to stop acting like idiots>she can't handle how to address the bullyingThese are the same thing and your brain has failed to link them.
>>905738That one art in particular with visual descriptions of Ame's rounds was one of the best things to come out of this collab.
>>905751Ame knows less than Gura. Gura can actually speak basic Japanese and read Hiragana and Katakana. She just has mega autism and was paralyzed by shyness. Meanwhile Ame has been pushing herself with multiple collabs with JP senpais even though her communication is terrible. She's at least getting better.
These collabs don't benefit the EN girls in any way.
>>904750Gura ruined it. Needs to do her reps pronto if she ever hopes to do a big collab again.
>>905749Narrative is always there. They're like spores that come out of nowhere. You can't do shit about that. But if she really want to minimize the hate then constant exposure and interaction between her and the other will help. But she hasn't. Which only led to this. More speculation. More talk. Everyone in HoloEn has moved on except for her.
>>905853She clearly has other stuff prioritized. I cant watch her anymore. Her choices in games is shit. Fucking Luigi's mansion.
>>905851En should quit hololive, Gura can make her own Vtuber group and do better than shitty Cover. Only Mori has a reason to stay with them and she's not even good at games
>>906006>other stuff prioritizedWhat is she doing besides playing games?As far as I know she's been working on a song for a few months with no info on when it's coming out and that's it.
>>906006Did she even like Luigi's mansion? It had that feeling that she was only playing to finish it
>>905851>the EN girlsThe JP girls
>post count>IPsSo this is just 1 schizo fag shitting on both sides for (you)s?
>>906248it's honestly so easyanything involving Gura is the easiest bait for retards on both sides
>>906290case in point
>>905738>Watson! You've gotta trust me as a fellow blonde- oh wait we're all blonde here.Will never not get a laugh out of me
No because the shark is a poor loser and her fanbase is cancer.
>>905327She was a salty bitch in among us and killed all potential of any future english x jp collabs
>>904750yeah sure just bring vsinger-chan instead of gura next time since her chumbaby fanbase is guaranteed to stir shit up
>>906311stay salty EOP
>>906466that's not an insultI will happily admit to never watching the JPs a single time after EN came out.
>>906542Anon, that's not something you should be proud of.
>>906542cringego back to plebbit or discord or from whatever you came
>>906571>>906605haha the same canned response as the last timeit's good to know I'm talking to the same retards who get baited by Gura threads every time :)
>>904750Just watch gen 5, they carried that collab hard
>>906697Nigga I don't know who the fuck you are.
>>905738That and "BOTAN CUTE, BOTAN SUS!". Polka is a treasure.
>When 90% of this is dunking on a different collab
>>904852>STOP KILLING MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEI can still hear it lmao
>>905850>Gura can actually speak basic Japanese and read Hiragana and Katakana.t. didn't watch her project diva stream where she couldn't even formulate a phrase for the JOP that donated
remove Am*lia and Ki*ra and you have the perfect collab, provided Gura fucking learns some japanese
>>907039That other collab is why we can't have nice things with holoEN anymore
>>913179Kiara was keeping the collab from falling apart and Amelia did an excellent job as impostor.Faggot
>>904850Kiara and Ina collab with JP/IN almost weekly, with Mori and Ame not far behind. This is all on Chumkeks.
>>913179Kiara was the only one stacy enough to keep that ship floating, it's important to have someone be able and willing to tell 9 different personalities, across a language barrier no less, to sit down and shut up. As a result, we got memes and memorable moments out of that collab. The collab without her is the one that was a fucking disaster, no one remembers shit from it except Gura crying.
>>904750If it's EN x ID you want, I really appreciated Kiara's Momotetsu stream.Hope some anon can enjoy it too.
>>905751>>905850Seriously, all Gura had to do to avoid sus was say a couple of cute things when asked like "Why?" or "Please" in Japanese and the non-JP girls would have eaten it up. Ame even got off the hook with Nene when it was down to her and Calli just by appealing with simple, cute English. Either way the Amon9us collab went fine compared to the EN/JP/ID one so they should just do something like that again.
>>904934"You either die a hero, or live long enough to become a villain, enma."I like to think Enma's verbal tic is adding -enma to sentences, enma.
>>904750Yes there will be games in the future that allow for fun collabs again. Don't be so pessimistic anon.
>>905234> minus either Gura or Risu because neither of them will agree to be in a game together againPlease elaborate
>>921336He probably meant Iofi
>>904750From everything thats been said its all on Enma and the EN Management. >Though I wouldn't be surprised if Guras chumcucks had a large portion to do with it
>>904750That's not even the kino of AU. The drunk new years AU was the absolute best one.
>>913500Yeah. Kiara was the one that was able to bridge the gap. Mori translated more and she was struggling. Iofi barely tried and I think it's because she is naturally a passive person that don't know how to insert herself. Kiara definitely can. >>921336There was a section where Gura was being too aggresive with her tone when confronting Risu. Funny thing is her point that Risu should be able to see her do the med task was wrong because the visual was off. Very stupid looking back. I would cringe.These big collabs will only naturally work if you have a perfect balance of characters. You need a leader, two or more chaotic characters, a straight man, a noob, and the rest can be whatever because they will be carried. Gen5xHoloEn works because they have KiaraxBotan to lead, NenexPolka to do random shit, Amelia or Ina as the straightman, and Mori as the noob. Lamy was carried but she's cute so I forgive her. The HoloENxIDxJP collab did not have a natural leader. Suisei tried but her English was not enough and most of the players were Noobs. Worse is that a lot were passive noobs. Many Among US collabs or any group collabs really understand this dynamic so that is why you see certain people would drive the conversation. The latest Sora Among Us collab had Sora acting as the leader. If it was with different people like Botan, Miko or Fubuki, we would see something different.
>>906438Your an idiot if you think she was actually mad.
>>904852doesn't matter if Gura learned her lesson, Gura's fanbase is the problem. Iofi didn't deserve so much harassment. There's literally no way for Gura to control her fans in any future collab.
>>921883It doesn't help that a lot of her fanbase remember her past life and migrated over to her streams now. It may not seem like it'd be a big deal but all it takes is one retard to start following the other and eventually you got a fucking cult
>>921883> Iofi didn't deserve so much harassment. She had like, three chumps twitter posts harassing her that were so irrelevant she had to dumpster dive to find them. The JPs had more harassment than her. To this day I don't know why she made such a big deal out of things.
>>904981friend providing moral support for loafy on twitter was really cute
>>904750>STOP KILLING MEEEEEEEEE
The Iofi debacle did have some teeth though. Fubuki took Iofi's side after Iofi deleted that tweet. Gura took this as Fubuki not liking her, so she didn't even ask for permissions for Say Fanfare during the Hololive karaoke. Only Enma had to do damage control and tell her to sing it during priconne.
>>904750We did.HoloID x Homostars was hilarious, particularly the YES round and when they increased the speed for the last ones and everyone was just panicking.
>>905322Source for all these?Why block Gura from saying 1 million?I get why on Coco, shit's still hot.Don't get the Haachama thing. Why force her out?
gura has a child brain and a brainlet fanbase, she's also a smashing success by numbers (way stronger than many JP holos which wil infuriate their hardcore fans often ez guess) and speaks fuckall JP its a horrible combination all around.leaves them with the option of the really obvious let everyone but gura collab with JPor let nobody in EN collab and gura fans can pretend its not about gura option which is clearly superior.its a shit situation but there is argument to be made that management is making the optimal decision big picture.
>>924764>Don't get the Haachama thing. Why force her out?Management said because EN servers and JP servers should be kept seperate for some fucking retarded reason>Why block Gura from saying 1 million?They didnt want Korone to feel shit or upstaged because Gura literally swiped the "first holo member to hit 1mil" from under her literally a couple of days before she would have hit it. (Which you can argue happened anyways)>>924954Shes a perfect example of too much too fast
>>905578proof? Give vid or it will be just rrats
>>924764>Why block Gura from saying 1 million?They were butthurt she swiped it from Korone, typical Japanese MUH HONOR RESPECT YOUR SENPAIS shit.Ultimately it's a rrat, but a very believable one. Gura literally REFUSED to say the number, did a very ambiguous "thx for your support" stream as celebration that didn't mention the sub count at all. You might say, maybe it's all Gura, maybe she just feels bad about it, but here's the thing. Gura said that a real celebration for it was in the works, something Cover was supposedly organizing. It never fucking happened.Now the 2m subs suddenly had none of that, she did a normal numberfagging celebration
>>925189Sounds to me more like Gura was just being dumb.
>>904750Didn't this stream overall turned into literally clusterfuck and ended in complete failure
>>925388It wasn't bad, but the twitter fans ruined it.
holy shit are you guys still fucking on about this?
>>925388Nope, that was the one with IDs and the Roboco gang. This one was kino, except for deadbeats. Mori couldn't do shit.
>>925434Please understand, 90% of /vt/ started watching hololive a month ago and no one tells them to lurk more and actually watch streams.Timeloop central.
>>925388This rrat is probably the most egregious example of making a mountain of a molehill. The collab went fine, there was some retards on twitter, but they werent any more notable than the usual stupid rabble
>>921669>Gen5xHoloEn works because they have KiaraxBotan to lead as much as im am a kfpfag botan being able to control the rest of gen 5 allowed kiara to do her thing i dont know why but my Rrat is Botan get Sempai status in gen 5 cuz of roommate >>925554that shit was painful watching Mori my god there a point were being so bad actually ruins the experience
>>926035Our autistic boy failed hard, huh? That's our Mori!>*cue canned laughter then applause*
>>925434this is the Gura anti thread, it'll go on forever
>>924954Why not do what every other rational vtuber does with a retarded fanbase, call those faggots out. it worked well for nijiID and nijiJP, but for their case those fans still tend to comeback every once in awhile, tokyo ghoul had it th worse before nijisanji announced the site to report those kinds of shitters. they mostly fucked off since..
>>925189>It never fucking happened.it happened though, on official hololive channel
>>906024yeah Gura should have stayed as HER instead of joining Hololive righttt? it seemed that she really needed Hololive for some reason huh. Gurafags are truly retarded
>>906052true game enjoyer should have play the first Luigi's mansion. It's a classic.
>>905474Would anyone really miss Anya if she wasn't there?
>>914229Just skip the first 30 minutes
>>922155I love Iofi but anon You have to understand they are women, it's not weird for them to feel so upset about these things
>>904983What a plebian opinion.
Does Botan even know any English besides happy birthday? She has mommy energy, so I still watch her