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>supposed to be the "realistic" mod
>American army erases Germany from existence the second they set one foot on continental Europe with 1 to 5 casualty ratios
haha epic Chuds BTFO xdddd
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>>722349
now with less memes and schizophrenia explain to me what your problem with this mod is
isn't this the mod where the axis win and turn russia into warlords? how was Germany destroyed in it if they won?
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>>722349
>German civil war
>USA immedeiatly intervenes.
>Nukes Germania despite it being filled with republican revolters
>Divides Germany with Britain.
>"We did it Attlee we saved Europe"!
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>>722371
>isn't this the mod where the axis win and turn russia into warlords?
No, you're thinking of an even worse trannymod.
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>>722379
all the alt-history mods are the same they all just meld together, what if germany won this or that war, then they overbloat it with uninteresting needless new mechanics and hundreds of civil wars in countries you don't care about and proceed to suck each others dicks about how much better they are than vanilla
honestly the only mods I really play with are road to 56 if I want some extra focus trees to mess about with and old world blues because I'm a huge falloutfag
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>>722371
>Nazi Germany collapses in under a decade in ebin civil war because Wehrmacht is just like the ancient Diadochi rite guys?
>le Nazis can't into economics meme despite them leading Germany out of the greatest depression in world history at the time
>German army somehow goes from the most competent fighting force in the world with the best R&D to incapable disorganised retards still using decade old guns
>Himmler couping the government for literally no reason
>Mannstein occupying the South for literally no reason
>-80% construction speed because fuck you
>Germany not allowed to build nukes because fuck you
at least the TNO Reich lasts a couple decades this is utterly retarded
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>>722481
Manstein was definitely in contact with July 20th plotters OTL even though he chose not to go along with them. For sure he could be a plausible choice given the idea of "Hey you should lead Germany after the old man dies cause its gonna be fucking chaos and we need your skills"
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>>722371
Romania is somehow a superpower
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>>722349
kinda mad that they fucked the Banat decision up ngl
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>Woah you've orchestrated an economic miracle and saved our nation from the brink of destruction! What economic policies did you employ in order to accomplish this monolithic feat?
>Uhhhh... We let people vote and stopped killing gay people.
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>>722481
Don't tell this anon when the Mauser 98 was designed
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What's even the point in Nazi victory mods for a game focused on WW2 itself? It would have been neat as the scenario for a mod if EvW didn't get fucked over the eternal Swede
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>>722564
>What's even the point in Nazi victory mods for a game focused on WW2 itself?
There's two kinds of people who do Axis victory WW2 althis - people who like Nazis and do naziwank, and people who fanatically hate nazis and do anti-naziwank. TWR is just less Wolfenstein-styled ridiculous shit than TNO.
At least they give you the chance to avert the German Civil Waagh and show a more realistic decline than "the stock market crashed in a command economy and there's cartoon supervillains everywhere".
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>>722395
>and old world blues because I'm a huge falloutfag
I STRONGLY suggest learning how HoI2/Darkest Hour work and get yourself into FODD. You're for some serious fun
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>>722349
Most realistc nazi victory mod i saw so far was Iron Grip, but its another toozer compilation with no actual chances of being released.
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>>722481
>le Nazis can't into economics meme despite them leading Germany out of the greatest depression in world history at the time
Jesus christ anon
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>>722686
Watch out anon, we're about to see anons arguing over whether Schacht was a real nazi or not.
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>>722481
Oh no, he's retarded.
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>>722349
Turns out America having comparatively unlimited resources, twice the population and like 6 times the industrial capacity as Germany would probably work in their favour.
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>the Soviet Union, after one of the most devastating conflicts in history and a decade of civil war and being genocided by the Germans has the #1 GDP in the world (???) and enough divisions to build a highway from Moscow to Berlin made solely of Russian spinal cords
This amount of Zhukovfagging should be illegal
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>>722757
Never seen this happen desu, the most that happens in Russia in the average game of TWR in Russia is wars in Siberia that never end because the AI doesn't understand how supplies work and occasionally getting dabbed on by Germany
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>>722757
Honestly this, the amount of Sovietwank in these Germany won WW2 mods is egregious
Can someone just make a fucking mod where it is Capitalism vs Fascism instead with Communism being mostly discredited in an inverse of what happened in real life with Fascism?
Have the soviet union completely collapse; Have the US bankroll a Siberian Russia with their giant Economic powerhouse.
Have Germany funding anti-colonial fascist rebels due to Geopolitical Interests in Africa. Have the Meds like Italy seethe over this and cause tension in their alliance for potential drama there.
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>>722835
They're all commies anon. watch someone make a capitalism vs facism mod and immediately get shut down by an-whatever the fuck horde. Shame too because it'd be one hell of a scenario. kicking adolf ass in the 50s would be kinda cool.
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>>722844
>Germany destroys BEF on the beaches of Dunkirk
>England makes a conditional surrender, first condition being to not tell anyone that they surrendered
>Germany and Britain conduct minimal combat operations against each other while Germany prepares for Barbarossa
>With more time to prepare and more troops available, the Soviet Union collapses like a rotten structure
>By the time of Pearl Harbor, the USSR is a shadow of itself, fighting in the Urals with dwindling supplies and food, incapable of victory but with Stalin refusing to surrender
>USA, England, and the Commonwealth are able to dedicate all of their efforts on Japan, invading Iwo Jima in 1944
>Invasion of mainland Japan ensues, Japan is puppeted by America at massive cost.
>Mao rises in China, which begins moving to absorb the remainder of the Soviet Union
>By 1955, America is still licking her wounds from the invasion. England is attempting to arm herself as best she can under treaty restrictions. Germany and the USSR are notionally at war, though Germany makes no effort to advance, while the Soviets are little more than Chinese puppets totally reliant on imports. The Vichy regime has been granted full rulership of France, which has formally joined the Axis.
>However, Germany has a problem: National Socialism isn't working out any better than the regular variety. Clearly this is because they haven't killed enough Jews yet, and so Germany sets out to destroy the forces of International Judeo-Capitalism, embodied by the US and UK.
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>>722813
>wars in Siberia that never end
This happened simultaneously with Germany having their main haplogroup reallocated to N in my game making it all the funnier
The AI had a much harder time dealing with Russian minors than the main bad guy of the mod
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>>722371
No this is the far worse copy
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>>722835
You just want to see niggers in ss uniforms, don't you?
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The issue with the mod is that it takes too many factories to produce enough equipment, Germany is forced to either avoid the civil war and be stuck with crippling spirits, and it is too reliant on RNG. The mod could be fun but there are just too many small issues that hold it back.
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>>722844
>kicking adolf ass in the 50s would be kinda cool.
To be fair that’s basically what TWR ends up being a lot of the time. Once Germany turns into battle royale it almost always ends with the Allies kicking the fucking door down and liberating Europe.
Unless Taft is elected then it’s fucked.
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>>722835
>Can someone just make a fucking mod where it is Capitalism vs Fascism
That kind of IS what TNO and TWR are though, the US is the strongest long-term power in the game. The American mainland is barely touched in the wars, aside from economic downturn and the rise of "MUH EXTREEMIM" shit remains the same. Hell, in TNO you can't even have a US civil war.
Of course, communism still manages to come back from the brink, because "muh historical determism". Hell in the "canon path" for TNO we're expected to believe that the WRRF comes back from their isolated frozen bombed-out shithole to reunify Russia and turn it into a superpower.
>>722757 is right, I know Zhukov was a super chad but come on.
If I ever write an althis mod I'm making it a point to have Zhukov flattened by an artillery shell or purged by Beria or something just to get him out of the way. Also, an invasion of North America.
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>>722844
lol no
The head dev of TWR is a MASSIVE NeoLib that simps for the UN like there's no tommorow
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>>722374
honestly i could see it happen
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>>722950
>muh racial purity
Take some cyanide and shoot yourself in the head natsoc trash
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>>722349
Most nazi victory scenarios are the good guys having to overcome insurmountable odds to put down the unstoppable German war machine that is oppressing the world.
This mod is more like a methhead has broken into Walmart because the guards were sleeping on the job and now they are debating whenever to go in and knock him out or wait for him to tire himself out and take him away gently.
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>>722488
mad ?
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>>722395
based
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>>723262
Struck a nerve there, shitskin?
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>>723262
It was genuine question, since Germany would surely Creative few black SS divisions to send to africa.
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>>723262
>Hates Nazis
>Hates Muslims too
Let me guess - Israeli.
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>>722497
I don't even understand which side this is supposed to mock.
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>>723764
No, I just find it funny they Natsoc retards like to pretend they're racially pure when they're little better than the Somalia of Europe in all respects.
>>724281
>wants to be racially pure master race
>also wants to be taken over by Muslims
You watch a lot of BBC cuck porn don't you?
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>>725020
>the Somalia of Europe
This. FUCKING THIS. Unified Germany was the biggest mistake Europe ever made. All they have done since unification is ruin Europe like clockwork, with only a 40-year reprieve when the US and USSR tore them in half and fucked the wet ends.
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>>722349
Wow! It's almost as if attacking a nation during a Civil war with reinforcements from 3 other nations will lead to the downfall of a nation! Who knew!
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>>725020
>also wants to be taken over by Muslims
Never said that, but I wish them luck in taking over Israel.
>You watch a lot of BBC cuck porn don't you?
Projection.
>>725022
Go back to the WW1 thread and screech about Belgian handchopping there, mister "Europe's southern border is at Dover". All YOU have done since getting here is ruin /vst/ like clockwork.
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Fuck me, I actually had hopes for this mod until I got to play it.
Hope al least Iron Grip wont turn me down.
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>>725490
>Franco-Prussian War
>First World War
>Second World War
>European Union
Every time Europe has gone to shit in the last 150 years, there has been a German front and center. It's like they have the national equivalent of tiny dick syndrome: a desperate, all-consuming need to be taken seriously that drives them to ever more insane actions, all while insisting that it's everyone else's fault that they're like this. The phrase "cries out in pain as he strikes you" comes to mind.
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>>725630
>Germany caused the Franco-Prussian War
Sure thing buddy, and Germans killed Alexander the Great too.
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>>725498
Any specific hopes?
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>>725630
>Franco-Prussian war
started by France
>b-but they were tricked
The Emperor of the French could have just taken the L and moved on
>First World War
started by Serbian assassins and Russian aggression
>Second World War
100% Germany I won't bother defending the regime at the time
>European Union
started by France and it was a relatively good thing until the late 90's you are probably too young to remember the good old days
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>>722481
Not depicted
>every other study that doesn't have a jewish researcher
>article linked by /pol/tards as proof for their beliefs also created by jews because they don't actually read the articles they link
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>Goering path has 20/30 shitty economic focuses
>ends up with industrialized society which adds 15% to consumer goods required
>Himmler path has a focus called 'Ignore the problems'
>ends up with the superior 'agricultural society' which doesn't affect consumer goods
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>>725056
The US army at the start of the game can roll all of Germany just by drawing a line and setting on aggro.
Try it with allowdiplo, the Germans are just that bad.
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>>725650
>The Emperor of the French could have just taken the L and moved on

Not really. Hard to imagine now, but Europeans had some actual pride back then, and taking the L was considered a really bad look internationally.

>started by Serbian assassins and Russian aggression
Nah, if you actually spread out and look at when the powder keg started getting set up, Wilhelm II firing Bismark and changing from courting Russia to allying the Austrians and Italians, prompting Russia to ally with France, is the point where the flexible alliances became rigid.

Then, in the direct aftermath of the assassination, Wilhelm went "We'll support you in anything you do" to the Austrians and fucking bailed to a vacation at the critical moments, emboldening them to a ridiculous degree.
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I've got to say though, the Sino-German Eurasian alliance at the end of the Goring focus tree that happens if detente is refused by the West is pretty based.
Too bad the mod pretty much ends there and it's only one superevent.
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>>725650
>started by France
Technically yes, contextually no. Bismarck had been trying to goad the French into a war for years and Napoleon III managed to avoid it in Spain and Luxembourg before the Ems Dispatch whipped up mob outrage and the republicans in parlement agitating for war finally won out. And that's on top of Bismarck unambiguously instigating wars with Denmark and Austria over German unification as well.
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>>725724
The people seething over Germany's continued existence ITT will sneeringly say that "nothing east of the Rhine is Europe"... and they're RIGHT.
We Germans are the noble HUNS, and we will take our revenge and continue to destroy your pathetic "Europe" for your Opium Wars against our Chinese Asian brothers.
The age of Yurup is over, the age of Pan-Asianism is here!
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>>725490
>don't want to be taken over by Muslims
>literally seeking legal action against EU countries that try and turn away "refugees"
Imagine screeching literal Natsoc bullshit everywhere you go and thinking in the one ruining the board. Fucking Somalians I swear.
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>>726220
That action is being taken by the puppet West German government that is controlled by NATO. You are responsible for this, not us.
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>>727563
Like I said, always fucking things up and blaming everyone else for it.
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>>728174
Mutt projection.
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>another yuro cope thread
Just fucking die already, nobody would notice.
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>>722481

Literally nothing he said was wrong
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>>728184
Get in the cage, Private Wagie
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>>722374
That sounds just like what would have happened Germany would have been nuked they wanted to even nuke Korea.
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>>730726
>expecting reddit mods to not act like faggots
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>>722374
you ever read the big one?
so germany pulls a rabbit out of their hat and beats britain and russia
so america just bides their time, beats japan, developes the b-36 early and alpha strikes germany with at least 100 nukes, cause fuck'em
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>>725645
Actual content for Italy
Hoped not to see half of europe collapse because of the gcw
Hoped to play a few years instead of quitting after two years because the usa steamrolls instantly germany
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>>722349
What I cannot fucking stand about this mod is the eternally cancer scripted peacedeals in every war and the retarded 8 way civil wars. Not to mention the endless event spam.

There is nothing cool or funny about an 8 way civil war in the middle of a literal who country, it just slows the game down and is annoying as fuck. Also after an update, I found it impossible to take on neighbors in wars because of broken peace deals making every war shit. It has saved my ass a couple times when I was on the brink of losing, but it ruins every other war. You're mid war and then boom, suddenly you're at peace right when their army was crumbling. And all you get is one shitty core state rather than the full extent of your claims.

In conclusion, annoying mod 4/10
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>>731055
>content for Italy
No guarantee you will like it but you will have content
>gcw
The closest we have is a reference to the Soviet 91 coup
>europe collapsing
Unless your bad it shouldn't collapse
I am flattered, and so are the rest of the lads that people still talk about us
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>>728358
it's fake retard
https://www.aap.com.au/kabul-mcdonalds-tweet-is-a-supersized-fake/
https://dunyanews.tv/en/FakeNews/615353-Tweet-claiming-US-Marine-is-working-at-only-McDonald-in-Afghanistan
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>>723262
What? The nazis supported movements that fucked over their geopolitical rivals????? Like every other country in history?? But they can't possible have different standards for people with in their land??????

Kys
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>>722718
You mean, like in Afghanistan?
Kek
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Why is this thread full of pol-tards. Go back.
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>>736570
Seethe tranny
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>>736570
>Israeli comes into the thread and starts screeching about BBC cuck porn and how Germany is the destroyer of Europe
>gets told to fuck off
>/POL/ /POL/ /POL/ GO BACK
I don't think I will.
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>>735823
Speaking of Afghanistan I wish twr would add a werewolf partisan part to Germany should they get occupied by the US post civil war
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>>723043
>Hell, in TNO you can't even have a US civil war.
I bet they planned on adding it in and then scrapped it due to infighting, like with India. Making the US balkanize is one of the few ways to make it interesting.

>Hell in the "canon path" for TNO we're expected to believe that the WRRF comes back from their isolated frozen bombed-out shithole to reunify Russia and turn it into a superpower.
My favorite part is still the unrealistic backwaters like Kolyma and Omolon. IRL, those places literally have nothing there, there are a few villages but for the most part it's just permafrost and certainly not nearly enough people for independence movements. Meanwhile, Tomsk is one big blob even though they could have split the northern part away and made Norilsk out of it based on the gulag-turned-city there, and maybe the eastern part as well which was an autonomous republic IRL at the time.
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>>722481
>le Nazis can't into economics meme despite them leading Germany out of the greatest depression in world history at the time
>German army somehow goes from the most competent fighting force in the world with the best R&D to incapable disorganised retards still using decade old guns
Hate it when my strategy games have realism.
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>>737969
LMAO
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>>725650
The Franco-Prussian war was begun by Bismarck personally. The First World War was started because the Germans gave Austria a blank cheque of support encouraging them to send unreasonable demands to Serbia so as to ensure France and Russia were beaten before their military reforms were complete.
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>>730726
>THIS IS LITERALLY A HATE SUBREDDIT
I fucking hate Plebbitors so much.
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>spend my time to play this wreck
>important event show up (Speer Reforms)
>40% fail, 60% success
>always fail
I hate this so much, fucking faggots
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>>730726
can I get some source on the picture/the comic, or what have you.
that comic pic is golden!
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>>738108
>The Franco-Prussian war was begun by Bismarck personally.
It's true, Bismarck rode by himself to Paris and besieged the city by himself, what a chad
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>>730726
>OMG NAZI EXTREMIST HATE LITERALLY NAZI LITERALLY ACTUAL

The guy should have told the complaining faggot to go hang himself. I see even on reddit the dumb cunt was voted down heavily. Credit to people who do their best to inject sanity into that septic tank.
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you know hoi4 modding is dead when one of the best mods, if not the best mod, is a pony mod
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>>731190
post discord link pls
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>>738415
stonetoss burgers
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>>739235
https://discord.gg/HYXMMVUVpU
There you go
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>>739107
Just because a mod features a specific particular media that you do not like does not mean that it is bad. EaW is a very well crafted serious mod regardless of what you think.
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>>722349
> "realistic" mod
>axis wins scenario
No
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>>722395
your thoughts on the umc mods?
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>>722374
nazis or not, G*rmans are still fascists
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>>737867
the russian statelets arent independent nations, they are isolated power bastions that no longer speak to each other, similarly to chinese warlord era generals. If you follow the history of the mod they explain that russia was cut off into the four "regional stage" statelets, but they all collapsed for one reason or another (word of god is mostly chicken farmer interference for most of it but its perfectly reasonable to believe that happened by itself during the WRW). Komi for example just got tired of military rule and formed its own soviet. Then there are the "statelets" that are just lawless villages occupied by bandits or wandering Red Army remnants like DW
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>>741704
Krauts aren't fascists. But they do deserve the rope.
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>>741704
And that's a good thing, fuck l*berals
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>>722349
why are trannies so obsessed with "realistic" "what if the nazis won WW2?" mods for hearts of iron 4?
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>>741841
Already explained, see >>722676
They want to write stories about brave heroic underdogs like B. J. "Terror Billy" Blazkowicz who slaughters a bajillion nazis in the name of liberalism, gay abortions, and America (but not the bad old slave owning kind, the kind that was The Original Antifa).
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>>722488
I shall now play your mod.
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>>741862
>The Original Antifa
Germany?
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>>741704
You can just say based you know
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>>722686
>>722715
>>723262
>>724601
>>725685
>>736570
>>737969
trannies get >>/out/
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>>735823
Or like in Vietnam? Anyways, they're not comparable because America wasn't willing to just nuke and murder everyone in Afghanistan and Vietnam. (Which is the one singular possible way to beat nationalist guerillas in the modern era) They were against TWR Germany.
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>>739085
The "Complaining faggot" is the guy who wrote the entire Alt-his scenario.
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>>742047
You will never be a man.
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>>743011
Guess he's just a faggot like Panzer then
I assume he thinks shit like /r/antifastonetoss and the AMOGUS meme from there are the peak of comedy or something
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>>740937
Speaking of the pony mod, just finished a changeling playthrough and damn, it had more soul than the entirety of TNO. What are some other nations with as much content? The post-war tree was kino.
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>>731055
>content for Italy
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>>722481
>Nazi Germany collapses in under a decade in ebin civil war because Wehrmacht is just like the ancient Diadochi rite guys?
maybe
>le Nazis can't into economics meme
yes
>them leading Germany out of the greatest depression in world history at the time
lol
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>>737969
>le miraculous nazi recovery meme
you do know that they relied on an economy oriented around debt and repaying it with money plundered from occupied countries through war right? what happens when it stagnates and you don't have any other ass to shove their aryan skulls into
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>>722349
>Every mod which doesn't suck SS's syphilitic cocks is bad.
Why you Americans like Hitler again? Because of funny mustache or slick uniforms of officers?
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>>745787
Nazis do deficit spending
>Look at their shit economics it would totally collapse lmao
Socdems do deficit spending
>Wowowo epic

Also if you think the war economy would have been kept up after the end of it you're retarded.
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>>744553
i can hardly see Germany falling into a civil war after Hitler Death Irl , as he had a clear chosen succesor in Goering (it only changed cause he tried to negociate with allies in our timeline) , so had hitler won i dont see any reason for Goering to not be the succesor and any nazi daring to question it since it had been decided since 1939
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>>745787
>deficit spending is bad
PRINT IT BABY, 4 TRILLION FOR "INFRASTRUCTURE"
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>>745944
>>745815
>/pol/tards' eyes so stained with Hitler's cum that it renders them incapable of reading
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>>746399
You're a dumbass who doesn't understand economics or politics. No the nazi economy wasn't built on plundering for others this is a myth it wasn't any different as anothe countries deficit spending during wartime(US/UK/France etc). I know you're coming with the argument from wages of destruction but it was written by a retard of extrapolates economic policies from 12 years of rule most of which was spent gearing up for war
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>>722481
>German army somehow goes from the most competent fighting force in the world with the best R&D to incapable disorganised retards still using decade old gun
It was quite disorganised
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>>722481
>all the non argument replies
You're based and right.
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>>746515
>I know you're coming with the argument from wages of destruction
Wasn't there the other one written by a Marxist who lived there at the time? Vampire economy? He could be going off that
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>>731055
>Actual content for Italy
I'm sorry anon
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>>746515
>Base your entire economy around building weapons.
>W-we don't *need* to go to war we totally have a legit economy...
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>>748948
I mean, you *could* do that if you focused on the export market, too bad Hitler was an economic isolationist.
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>>741978
Yes. See pic: the guy on the right is, in fact, one of The Original Antifa.
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>>746399
>No argument so resorts to screeching about /pol/ and other adhoms
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the ultimate alt history mod troll would be one where stalin joined the axis in late 1940 and he worked out his differences with hitler to establish a stable order in eurasia
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>>738108
>a blank cheque of support
You mean an alliance?
How is Germany's support for Austria supposed to be the starting cause of the war? You may as well say it was Britain's alliance with Poland that started WW2, not the fact Germany invaded Poland such is the retardation of this argument.
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>>749654
Because the Central Powers (being Germany, Austria-Hungary and Italy at that time) had an agreement among themselves that nobody was going to start a war without the go-ahead from the other two. This is particularly important in the case of Serbia, as Serbia's independence was guaranteed by the Russian Empire, and Austria didn't have the military power to invade Serbia and keep Russia from stomping on their dicks at the same time. Therefore, Germany's promise to hold off the Russians on Austria's behalf was asked and given before an invasion of Serbia could be considered as anything other than national suicide.

(It's also worth noting that Germany and Austria's utter fucking failure to discuss any of this with Italy was the initial spark that would lead them to declare neutrality and eventually join the Entente.)
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>>749697
Italy was going to join the Entente either way it long vested interest in south tyrol, slovene littoral and dalmatia which austria would never have given to them. Germany and austria discussing their plans with them wouldnt have changed a thing
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>>722349
>Supposed to be the "realistic" mode
>Ivan Konev in general
>Serbian Gutrum Vagner
>Himmler's Aryan Empire
Yeah
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>just
Not solely
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>>722857
>Naziism isn't working out too well economically
With vast amounts of slave labor and raw resources in Western Russia to draw on, National Socialism would work pretty well, especially considering that the State could very easily block imports and information that contradicts its claims.
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>>725490
>Europe's southern border is Dover
Based and Nigel-pilled
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>>745923
>I can hardly see a power grab going on in a system that emphasizes struggle, action, right-of-might, and a disregard for the rule of law
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>>746515
The Nazi recovery was entirely dependent on rearmament, which was financed first through MEFO bills and later through plunder, including the seizure of Austrias gold reserves and forcing a negative exchange rate on the Franc vs the Mark
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>>722481
>German army somehow goes from the most competent fighting force in the world
lol
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>>746534
And yet
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>>743013
lol
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>>745796
Being unable to accept other people's viewpoints is a hallmark of autism. Seriously.
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>>750814
>le nazism is social darwinist meme
But that's wrong
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>>750809
You know who else had and did all those things? Russia. It didn't go well. Unless you're proposing that Germany could somehow feed the Kulaks even less than the Soviets were.
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>>750864
the soviets had a booming economy from 1945-1960 even with 20 million dead. a victorious germany would have surely done at least as well.
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>>750923
>booming
Sure, if you abide Stalin math and count harvesting 2 million pounds of grain to turn into 2 million pounds of flour to bake into 2 million pounds of bread as 6 million pounds of food production.
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>>750930
even after they opened the archives and everyone got to destalinize the stats they legitimately did very well postwar, with a higher growth rate than the US had in the 50s. everyone did well economically after the war other than the UK and china so that's not hardly some high praise of communism.
a victorious germany would have likely created some sort of trade zone that would have included all of the original EEC countries plus all of eastern europe too, except on more favorable terms to itself. it's very hard for me to see how an economic dynamo like that would run out of steam as early as the 60s.
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>>750932
Even when you sort out the double counting, the numbers are still bullshit. Fixing prices doesn't remove the transfer of value (profit and loss), it's just plugging your ears and ignoring the issue. Raw production is useless if you're just bleeding the wealth out of your economy. Furthermore, the Soviet Union was slow to shift out of war economy footing, meaning that a large portion of its industrial output was going into military equipment that would then be shoved in a warehouse instead of producing goods that would improve the quality of life of the average citizen. The US did demilitarize its economy in 1946, and it crashed out harder than the Great Depression once all the government contracts dried up Germany and Japan were glorified ash at this point, so the only place for them to go was up, in no small part with the aid of American reconstruction and relief efforts.

>it's very hard for me to see how an economic dynamo like that would run out of steam as early as the 60s.
I'd put my money on a second Holodomor. Hitler's plan, as outlined in Mien Kampf, was to deindustrialize the Soviet Union and turn it into an agricultural zone, which would then be used to feed Germany instead of utilizing foreign imports. Take the general entropic effect of Socialism and tack on a deliberately non-reciprocal exchange system, and you're going to get a particularly accelerated bleeding of wealth in the region, leading to lower production, and with Germany's usage of fixed prices (even before rearmament, much less the war) leading to shortages. In typical Socialist "it's not our fault, it's sabotage!" fashion (as they did with the pre-war coal shortage), this would then result in a crackdown on the area, resulting in the seizure of "surplus" and "hoarded" grain, thus causing the farmers to starve, leading to even less food being produced.
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>>750816
i mean in that timeline they would be since they would have won
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>>750814
not everybody in the party even agreed ideologically
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>>750852
But its not. Kys poltard
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>>750864
The Soviet Union was doing great for 30 years. Even when it stopped doing well, it failed because of a lack of political will from the central government
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>>750978
And that decreases the odds of civil war how?
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>>743013
My insider sources tell otherwise.
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Also lmao at tards obsessed with poltards
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Why do people expect realism in a HoI4 alt-history? None of the people making or playing them has an understanding of economics of politics. It's just push button make monarchists out of nowhere.
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>>722676
I'll go a step further than that. A German victory alt-his without Germany being in some sort of trouble isn't worth making. "And then they gassed the Jews and lived happily ever after" is the point where people end their vanilla playthrough, a mod that just continues that state of affairs is redundant. If a German victory scenario in a strategy game is going to have any actual strategy going on, then Germany needs to be in a non-perfect situation, and since HoI doesn't into partizans, that means another nation or group of nations needs to be challenging Germany on equal or greater footing, which in turn requires that either Germany to be in a shitty enough situation that it has waned into "we can take 'em" territory, or that Germany is in a shitty enough situation that they decide to start a war in the hopes of fixing it.
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>>740937
>>739107
The funny part is that the authors understand Communism better than most other modders.
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>>752265
>A German victory alt-his without Germany being in some sort of trouble isn't worth making.
this is also why any attempts at making cold war mods/games have sucked. still, some scenarios are more plausible than others. an anglo-american alliance along the lines of the 1941 atlantic charter would be able to outman, outgun, and outproduce any greater german reich. it could also have some interesting internal politics as both nations think they're in charge and americans try bossing the brits around about how to handle their colonies.
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>>752314
>>752265
It's not as fun as it seems. Balancing between "plausibility" and fun you need an inciting event or some reason to search for conflict. From personal experience having Britain play the role of a "questionable ally" is the best way to keep things dynamic and give Germany a chance.
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>>752265
Yeah but you dont have to go into antifa wank territory to do that. Germany post-ww2 has its problems in the form of the US-Britain still being a threat as well as this resulting in them being kept from expanding their influence outside of europe.

The engagment comes from the proxy wars to expand the influence and tethering on the line of escalation deescalation like it was otl. But hoi4 is a shit game to simulate that so any discussion of the topic is moot
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>>750807
>political compass
kys
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>>722481
100% based and correct. Redditrannies seething
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>>750814
power grab? yes that absolutely seems plausible but civil war? I find it doubtfull that the Wehrmacht would have multible parts that are each loyal to a different party member vying for the position of Führer
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>>743013
then who's fat cock is in your mouth right now?
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>>722950
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>>725650
ww2 was started by poland
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>>756497
Meanwhile, in reality
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>>756501
>muh solvency
go study economics
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>>756507
>study theory instead of looking at hard data, politics and history
Hmm. No. German economy is dependent on imports, it had no hard currency, and the only thing in abundance there is coal.
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>>756512
>germany had only 50 trillion reichsmarks compared to the 60 trillion from 20 years ago
>therefore they were going to implode at any second so they had to invade everywhere and loot gold teeth from jews
>this is irrefutable hard data™
Like i said, go study economics
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>>756534
Those are gold reserves, dipshit. You can run a domestic economy on "fuck you, I'm the government, this is money", but international markets require something more substantial. Take Germany's inability to sustain imports, throw in a batch of Jew paranoia, and you have Hitler's entire reason for going to war: the need for economic self-sufficiency.
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>>756549
tell that to the us of a
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>>756572
>What is the Petro Dollar?
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>>749697
Russia had no treaty with Serbia. There was no "guarantee", Russia had simply stated it's interest in the region and saw itself as the "protector" of Slavic and Orthodox peoples. Hilariously they provided Serbia almost no support to this effect and Greece was far more aligned with Britain than it ever was with Russia, heck they had closer ties to Germany.
Stop spewing shit. Russia made the power grab, there was nothing that forced them to counter invade you tranny. Infact, Austria's demands weren't even that bad, Serbia was a statelet that didn't even have full autonomy under the Ottomans a few decades ago, them chimping out was retarded.
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Also, on economics, the Germans were not in a full war-footing until 1942-1943, when they started to lose the Eastern front and American bombing came into full with the collapse of Italy. They had maintained their peacetime operations and life was relatively normal in Germany. If the British had signed a peace as they were surely beaten, that wouldn't have changed.
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>>750149
>Italy was going to join the Entente either way
That's not true, anon. Italy also had claims elsewhere, such as Nice and Savoy.
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>>756549
but the graph shows the gold reserves were gone when hitler got into power
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>>756627
Yes, Hitler went into politics with the explicit intent of starting a war, he even wrote a book about how he wanted to start a war.
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>>756640
what book would that be?
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>>756645
>The National Movement must not be the advocate for other nations, but the protagonist for its own nation. Otherwise it would be something superfluous and, above all, it would have no right to clamour against the action of the past; for then it would be repeating the action of the past. The old German policy suffered from the mistake of having been determined by dynastic considerations. The new German policy must not follow the sentimentality of cosmopolitan patriotism. Above all, we must not form a police guard for the famous 'poor small nations'; but we must be the soldiers of the German nation.
>We National Socialists have to go still further. The right to territory may become a duty when a great nation seems destined to go under unless its territory be extended. And that is particularly true when the nation in question is not some little group of negro people but the Germanic mother of all the life which has given cultural shape to the modern world. Germany will either become a World Power or will not continue to exist at all. But in order to become a World Power it needs that territorial magnitude which gives it the necessary importance to-day and assures the existence of its citizens.
>Therefore we National Socialists have purposely drawn a line through the line of conduct followed by pre-War Germany in foreign policy. We put an end to the perpetual Germanic march towards the South and West of Europe and turn our eyes towards the lands of the East. We finally put a stop to the colonial and trade policy of pre-War times and pass over to the territorial policy of the future.
-Mien Kampf, Ch 14
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>>756686
weird, I am looking through the original german version right now and it seems no comparable passages exist in the german version
in fact, in chapter 14, the one you seem to cite, he has a full subchapter on why the restoration of the 11914 borders of germany is something he doesn't support

must be a mistake :)
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*1914
damn my mistake
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>>722395
The thread should've ended after this reply, because it BTFO'd all the alt history mods.
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>>756698
This part?
>For the future of the German nation the 1914 frontiers are of no significance. They did not serve to protect us in the past, nor do they offer any guarantee for our defence in the future. With these frontiers the German people cannot maintain themselves as a compact unit, nor can they be assured of their maintenance. From the military viewpoint these frontiers are not advantageous or even such as not to cause anxiety. And while we are bound to such frontiers it will not be possible for us to improve our present position in relation to the other World Powers, or rather in relation to the real World Powers. We shall not lessen the discrepancy between our territory and that of Great Britain, nor shall we reach the magnitude of the United States of America. Not only that, but we cannot substantially lessen the importance of France in international politics.

Keep reading, it’s about 2 pages further
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>>756706
Actually, probably closer to 4 if you’re reading the German version, given how liberal German gets with its syllables.
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>>756706
don't get why you quote that part when he talked for several pages before that on how it would already be morally wrong to reshape the borders to pre-WW1 ones
and yes the "We National Socialists have to go still further" and "Therefore we National Socialists have purposely drawn a line through the line of conduct" ones are there but the only similarity is their beginning
the worst offender of this is the "We National Socialists have to go still further" one
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>>751551
>Why do people expect realism in a HoI4 alt-history
Transexuals hate the very concept of fun and laughter.
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I should elaborate on that
original:
>Unsere Aufgabe, die Mission der nationalsozialistischen Bewegung, aber ist, unser eigenes Volk zu jener politischen Einsicht zu bringen, daß es sein Zukunftsziel nicht im berauschenden Eindruck eines neuen Alexanderfeldzuges erfüllt sieht, sondern vielmehr in der emsigen Arbeit des deutschen Pfluges, dem das Schwert nur den Boden zu geben hat.

translation:
>Our task, the mission of the nationalsocialist movement, is, to bring our people to the political realisation, that its future lies not in a new alexandercampaign, but instead in the busy work of the german plow, to whom the sword only gives the ground.
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>>756723
>>756732
When he’s talking about the pre-WW1 borders, he’s also talking about the African and Pacific colonies, as he spend also spends time talking about how the Kaiser’s government mishandled those, and in total, that landmass probably outweighed the Rhine-to-Volga plan he had in mind. His argument is that trying to reclaim the colonies is stupid, so instead they should go after Eastern Europe, because it better suited his ultimate goal: an economically isolationist Germany.
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>>725759
So based I just turned into a volksdeutsche.
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>>744041
I personally enjoyed one of Yale's supremacist paths and the rebellion that you get if you don't create one of the changeling protectorates
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>>750814
>disregard for the rule of law
Republics from Ancient Rome to the US repeatedly ignored domestic and international law (in the case of the US, laws they often created) whenever the government felt like it lmao, it's a facade.
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>>756888
>people abuse power, therefore attempting to restrain the abuse of power is a joke
Begone, bootlicker
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>>722481
glad to see half of /vst/ is based
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>>725650
allies started ww2, can be quickly checked by using Augustine's just war theory and comparing initial state to end result
basically they just couldn't let go of WWI having somehow cucked Germany; if Germany were to regain its prewar borders they would have felt very silly
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>>743013
do they really?
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>>744553
>>Nazi Germany collapses in under a decade in ebin civil war because Wehrmacht is just like the ancient Diadochi rite guys?
>maybe
read Decline of the West, Napoleon was Alexander and the world wars were the punic wars
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>>745787
how does one even "loot" in a world after the industrial revolution? Does this model really make sense to Marxcels, or is it a cynical dunk on not sees that even they don't really believe?
More probably Hitler's successful hegemonic state would restore its proper borders peacefully and economically subjugate the small countries of Europe, using them as consumer good export zones and exporting inflation there just like the US did with its economic satellites during the Breton-Woods era. They would probably reserve large areas for exclusively agricultural development just like the EU effectively does by subsidizing the French agriculture sector; in reality Nazi-controlled Europe would just be a based version of the EU 20 years early.
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of course the war ruined all of this, but it would make a great setting for a WW2 to early cold war mod with the capitalists and fascists on one side and the communists on another. In this timeline Germany could not have attacked Russia in June 41 so the war would begin quite some time later; at this point Russia would have managed to industrialize completely and would be a formidable foe even without lend-lease
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>>756501
>""DANGEROUSLY LOW AAAAH CRITICAL OH SHIT OH FUCK""
>near bottom of the barrel foreign reserves in ***1934***
>nothing bad happens until 1939, although you can't see it because of the war
>but you have to trust us that something bad would happen and they had to go to war then OR ELSE
>even though everything had been fine for 5 years
huh
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>>756760
holy fuck, conclusively btfo
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>>722349
>Americhads BTFO Eurobabbies
Sounds pretty realistic
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>>756987
Yeah, that’s about the point where the NSDAP started trying to unfuck the economy, which largely took form in 3 parts:
>issuing a new currency at a much less inflated rate, similar to how corporations sometimes consolidate their stock to boost prices
>changing the funding policy from printing money to selling government bonds, most famously the MEFO bills
>enforcing price restrictions and rationing
This had the effect of resolving the immediate inflation, while shunting new inflation into private savings and government debt, rather than floating around the economy. This then kicked the van far enough down the road that countries regained enough faith in the mark to stop asking for their payments in gold.
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>>742047
all the TWR tranny devs piled into their shill thread lmfao
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You know if you could actually cancel focuses, reduced the time for some of them, and fixed production so that you could actually produce equipment this mod wouldn't be half bad.
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>>752265
Setting it in the 80's or 90's could work more. Expectedly Germany's victory in WW2 leads to a 40-50 year period of prosperity and peace before cracks and problems in how they run things start to appear. This could lead to some cool paths like Pan European National Socialists uniting Germany and her RKs, or a Soviet Style collapse with die hard SS hold outs in Eastern Europe. America could be facing a fork in the road too where they can either warm up to Germany finally or go even more libtarded to spite them which leads to Germany funding extremists that could set the whole nation on fire if the country makes the wrong choices.
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>>760641
What would fixing production mean for you?
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>>760732
Actually being able to produce more than 4 tanks a month as Germany would be nice, then you could actually build divisions.
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>>722349
>German "victory" mod
>dude here's our totally original and ebin civil war idea XD
Everytime
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The Iron Grip™ team is proud to present a game of "Guess the War Criminal" to /vst/!
There's no general HoI4 thread up, and we don't want to shit the board more than it is already.
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>>761337
So, will you guys produce something playable anytime soon or are you just gonna tooze™ forever?
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>>761345
even if they do it'll be boring amateurish garbage like the rest of these mods
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>>761349
Yes, and thank God we are amateurs. If we were profesionals we would be grooming. Also if you find HoI4 mods boring maybe you should play other games? Im sure something like tetris could keep you engaged.
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>>761359
Where's the fucking mod, toozer?
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I like Hitler :)
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>>761384
Don't we all?
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>>756760
Can you quote the part where he says "colonies", because if he's talking about "ww1 borders" he probably means ww1 borders not colonies
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>>722835
Marxists are literally incapable of such a thing, because since the very start of the Fascist revolutionary movement in Italy they've viewed fascism as contradictory insanity spurred by the final crisis in capitalism with no real doctrin. The Soviet's and PRC started to reevaluate fascism as a coherent ideology worth understanding in the 70s and 80s, but then the USSR collapsed and Anglo-American Marxists historians (heavily influenced by the French New Left) once again pushed the nonsensical "Fascism as Capitalism in Decline" narrative. The PRC is honestly one of the most rational places to see real historical discussion on fascism in modern academia, but that's mostly because the Carl Schmitt has gotten really popular in the PRC (and the modern PRC has more in common with Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy that with Maoist China).
>>723043
>Hell, in TNO you can't even have a US civil war.
Honestly, I am fine with this. I'm less fine with a lot of other things that happen in the United States. The never-ending shitting on Nixon and the constant sucking off of JFK is so fucking tiresome. A US Civil War after the end of the Great Depression doesn't really make sense under almost any circumstances.
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>>761437
Sure, let's book club this shit.

>The foreign policy of a People's State must first of all bear in mind the duty of securing the existence of the race which is incorporated in this State. And this must be done by establishing a healthy and natural proportion between the number and growth of the population on the one hand and the extent and resources of the territory they inhabit, on the other. That balance must be such that it accords with the vital necessities of the people.
>What I call a HEALTHY proportion is that in which the support of a people is guaranteed by the resources of its own soil and sub-soil. Any situation which falls short of this condition is none the less unhealthy even though it may endure for centuries or even a thousand years. Sooner or later, this lack of proportion must of necessity lead to the decline or even annihilation of the people concerned.
>Only a sufficiently large space on this earth can assure the independent existence of a people.

Here we see Hitler's desire for economic self-sufficiency at play: a nation must be large enough to provide for itself, or it will break because of it. Also note the use of "soil and sub-soil" as a reference to secondary holding beyond the nation's homeland. In HoI terms, this would be "core" and "non-core" territory. He then goes on to state how Germany is failing in that regard.
(cont)
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>>761781
>Looked at purely from the territorial point of view, the area comprised in the German REICH is insignificant in comparison with the other States that are called World Powers. England must not be cited here as an example to contradict this statement; for the English motherland is in reality the great metropolis of the British World Empire, which owns almost a fourth of the earth's surface. Next to this we must consider the American Union as one of the foremost among the colossal States, also Russia and China. These are enormous spaces, some of which are more than ten times greater in territorial extent than the present German REICH. France must also be ranked among
these colossal States.

Note how he specifically calls out England's colonial holdings in regards to a nation achieving this goal, as well as including France, which at the time is in a similar albeit lesser position.
(cont)
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>>761784
>We, National Socialists, must never allow ourselves to re-echo the hurrah patriotism of our contemporary bourgeois circles. It would be a fatal danger for us to look on the immediate developments before the War as constituting a precedent which we should be obliged to take into account, even though only to the very smallest degree, in choosing our own way. We can recognize no obligation devolving on us which may have its historical roots in any part of the nineteenth century. In contradistinction to the policy of those who represented that period, we must take our stand on the principles
already mentioned in regard to foreign policy: namely, the necessity of bringing our territorial area into just proportion with the number of our population. From the past we can learn only one lesson. And this is that the aim which is to be pursued in our political conduct must be twofold: namely (1) the acquisition of territory as the objective of our foreign policy and (2) the establishment of a new and uniform foundation as the objective of our political activities at home, in accordance with our doctrine of nationhood.

Now Hitler makes the clear statement that the German nation must expand, and begins arguing his reasoning for why Russia.
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>>761785
>I shall briefly deal with the question of how far our territorial aims are justified according to ethical and moral principles. This is all the more necessary here because, in our so-called nationalist circles, there are all kinds of plausible phrase-mongers who try to persuade the German people that the great aim of their foreign policy ought to be to right the wrongs of 1918, while at the same time they consider it incumbent on them to assure the whole world of the brotherly spirit and sympathy of the German people towards all other nations.
>In regard to this point I should like to make the following statement: To demand that the 1914 frontiers should be restored is a glaring political absurdity that is fraught with such consequences as to make the claim itself appear criminal. The confines of the REICH as they existed in 1914 were thoroughly illogical; because they were not really complete, in the sense of including all the members of the German nation. Nor were they reasonable, in view of the geographical exigencies of military defence. They were not the consequence of a political plan which had been well considered and carried out... One would have just as good a right, and in many cases a better right, to choose some other outstanding year than 1914 in the course of our history and demand that the objective of our foreign policy should be the re-establishment of the conditions then existing.

Firstly, note the use of "frontier". This may be a quirk of the translation (Murphy), but in English, the word carries a specific connotation of far-flung territories only loosely tied to the central government, such as colonies. He is essentially calling out people who want to restore Germany as it was with no reasoning beyond "that's how it was before". Trying to turn back the clock is a waste of time and blood, because it would not solve his core problem.
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>>761786
>Against all this we, National Socialists, must stick firmly to the aim that we have set for our foreign policy; namely, that the German people must be assured the territorial area which is necessary for it to exist on this earth.

>To-day we are all convinced of the necessity of regulating our situation in regard to France; but our success here will be ineffective in its broad results if the general aims of our foreign policy will have to stop at that. It can have significance for us only if it serves to cover our flank in the struggle for that extension of territory which is necessary for the existence of our people in Europe. For colonial acquisitions will not solve that question. It can be solved only by the winning of such territory for the settlement of our people as will extend the area of the motherland and thereby will not only keep the new settlers in the closest communion with the land of their origin, but will guarantee to this territorial ensemble the advantages which arise from the fact that in their expansion over greater territory the people remain united as a political unit.

And finally, we get to Hitler's demand for a contiguous German territory, rather than one broken up into colonial interests. He continues on into the section I quoted in >>756686 and concludes the paragraph with
>We finally put a stop to the colonial and trade policy of pre-War times and pass over to the territorial policy of the future.
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>722481
>le Nazis can't into economics meme despite them leading Germany out of the greatest depression in world history at the time"
lel, yeah, genius mefo bills...why are stormfags like that? also did you ever heard of how the führerprinzip was used in the economy and how it was bloated burocratic piece of shit system. nazi vampire economy at its best.
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>>762011
>le vampire economy meme
Let me guess, you're one of the retards that has been claiming the PRC has been headed for an economic collapse for almost a decade now.
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>>722481
If you disagree with this post your a tranny
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>>761781
>>761784
>>761785
>>761786
>>761787
I don't really care what you quote, I read the chapter for myself (no not the same guy that said he had the german version). Hitler is outlining how every world power got that power through aggressive imperialism and complaining that ww1 Germany never did that. Germany wasn't suited to overseas territory because Germany can't into navy so it should go east. He didn't care about ww1 borders in the slightest because they were matters of circumstance, he wanted a defensible border that was large enough to hold the German people for years to come. People often interpret this as he is going to genocide everyone east of berlin but what he really means is to establish an EU like organization where the other nationalities live in puppet states that feed the economy. Like how Romania, hungry denmark and france etc were all becoming heavily intertwined with the german economy. German colonization of the east was pretty much restricted to some of poland. He says specifically that he only really hates that jews in charge of Russia and it is therefore morally right to invade and destroy such a state. He's not going to win this war and liquidate every single slav, he's setting up markets that feed his own like what the British did in india and elsewhere only this time in Europe.
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>>762337
>I don't really care what you quote
I can tell, because you just summarized everything I posted.
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>>762458
tldr i wasn't reading that shit again when I already know the chapter. It doesn't matter because he's not talking about colonies, he's talking about how he doesn't care about Germany's current or present borders, only the future.
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>>762536
*current or former, i mean
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>>762011
This is what it looks like when someone learns history through hoi4 and hoi4 mod developers. I bet you also think that Nazi Germany "plundered" other countries.
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>>762872
Unfortunately, it's not just HOI4. The vampire economy meme has been the narrative for why Nazi Germany was an "evil socialist" regime from libertarian and Neo-Liberal economists for decades. Leftists have been quick to add the attack to their wheelhouse, not fully understanding that the vampire economy attack has been leveled against the Soviet Union and other Marxist command economies. It's also been used by NeoLibs for the past decade to forecast the economic collapse of the PRC.
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>>762910
>nazi germany depended on thralls in order to sustain its economy
>"but the soviets did the same thing!"
Good job, you really pwned the libs with that one.
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>>762929
dilate troon.
The PRC's economy is virtually indistinguishable from that of the Third Reich and they are going to be standing on the throat of the collapsing Atlantacists Empire within the next 2 decades.
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>>761359
professionals like the tno team? oh wait...
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>>762934
>economy is virtually indistinguishable from that of the Third Reich
I sure hope so, the sooner they implode the better.
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>>762934
The Chinese are not like the Germans or Italians, the liberal reforms they went through after mao are the proof of that fact.
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>>762948
>liberal reforms
The Corporatist reforms since Deng aren't "liberal" they were realist and fascist to their core. A. James Gregor writes about it extensively in "A Place in the Sun: Marxism and Fascism in China's Long Revolution". Carl Schmitt is literally required reading in the PRC now if you still doubt that the PRC is a Fascist country in praxis.
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>>762956
So sad and pathetic. Neither communism nor fascism will ever work. Sorry that your fantasies can only be played out in video games.
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>>761345
yeah, we have something that will be ready soon™ before the next update or a few days after. We have been working hard on trying to get this up to a standard that we feel comfortable with. We do listen to the feedback from others and we know what people want from hoi4.

>>761349
It will be amateurish because most of us are amateurs. We hope once you get the chance to play we can learn what you thought about it. even a message like "It's shit" is good enough.

>>761359
please don't be confrontational on our behalf it's a little cringe

>>761362
soon, give us a few months and you will have something to play
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>>762959
The Neo-Liberal order is literally collapsing while the PRC's Belt and Road program continues unabated. The only future for Liberalism is the illiberal Neo-Feudalism of billionaire oligarchs turning entire continents into global favelas while climate change destroys vast swaths of the globe in the name of the cult of economic growth.

It is an anti-human and unsustainable system that will be torn down by the PRC within the next few decades, but please continue to simp for billionaires and your fake democracy.
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>>762956
I see no corporate system in china and if thats what its supposed to look like, count me out of this whole fascism thing. I'd rather go back to being a neo lib
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>>762970
>I see no corporate system in china
how? Only 15% of Chinese corporations are privately owned. The rest are either have the PRC as a majority shareholder or are have one or more of those companies as majority shareholders. Beyond the economic corporatism parallels between the PRC and the German Reich, there are the obvious parallels in how the PRC views race (though the PRC views the Han Chinese as the master race rather than the Indo-Aryan peoples). The rise in Chinese nationalism since the 1980s goes beyond patriotism and incorporates biological racial essentialism.
>This search for a biological foundation for the nation, what Western commentators call a "myth of descent," seems to typify reactive developmental nationalism in the twentieth century-and it has come to characterize the reactive nationalism of post-Maoist China. The "leftwing" posturing of Mao Zedong, together with all the pretenses of "Marxism-Leninism," have all been swept away in the frank reactive nationalism and the biological anthropologists of Deng Xiaoping and Jiang Zemin."
> James, A. Gregor, A Place in the Sun,
The PRC has the same economic structure as the Third Reich, it has very similar racial nationalism as the Third Reich, and increasingly it bases its legitimacy on a racial and national mythos draws directly from the works of Carl Schmitt an unrepentant Nazi who was so committed to his beliefs that he refused to take part in the absolute joke that was the American de-Nazification process even though it prevented him from going back to his job in academia.
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>>762970
Ready for the nuclear take? Observe pic related, you've probably seen it being used by commies to "prove" that Fascism/National Socialism isn't real socialism. Thing is, that statement is more true than people tend to realize. The merger of state and corporate power, or government and economic interests, is the common thread between all the shitbox ideologies, from Communism's violent takeover of both to National Socialism's government sublimation of the economy to Corporate America's buyout of the government. Regardless of method, the same power ends up being concentrated in the same places, and from the ground level the result is functionally indistinguishable: the company store on a national scale, changing only the aesthetic and justification for why you should be a good little cog in the machine. You see people dancing around this all the time, calling commies the real Fascists, calling NatSocs capitalists, calling Corporatism Fascism, but they never quite lay their finger on the underlying truth that these are all different expressions of the same problem.
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>>762994
you know that quote is fake right?
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>>762996
I've heard that claim made, though I haven't researched it myself. The point is that made up or not, it's not *wrong* in and of itself. Every time we see these two sectors of power merge, the result is invariably disastrous, unless it was *my* shitheap of an ideology we're talking about, in which case it's totally not *our* fault, it was those damn filthy counter-revolutionaries/Jews/commies ruining everything.
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>>722676
I wish there was a mod where German victory in ww2 would have basically no major ideological or economic impact in the history of Europe. I maintain that by 1939 all of the more ideological nazis had been kicked out. Wasn't even Göbbels sidelined?
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>>722757
If we're being realistic, I'd assume USSR would still have existed as a rump state. Maybe they'd call themselves Union of Soviet Republics and replace communism with ordoliberalism or some shit. Kinda like how West-Germany was a successor state to Nazi Germany.
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>>725724
Speaking of China what would have happened to Mao had Germany won the war? Mao was an incredible guerilla leader and incredibly determined so perhaps China would have turned into the only communist country in the world.
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>>722349
bro the us couldnt even beat the vietcong
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>>762990
>it has very similar racial nationalism as the Third Reich
didn't they start importing nigs like 5 years ago?

and if they really are kmitating natsoc germany then they would also implement labour protection laws and actually fund public works that help the population and not just empty mega-cities
just owning the corpos in your own nation =/= fully natsoc
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>>763052
mao winning in china when the japanese are willing to rather kill all chinese than loosing the mainland is highly unlikely
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>>763036
noone was actually sidelined
people like göring just went more into piblic focus because they were the ones in charge of the war economy and army
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>>763052
Mao only won because the Soviet invasion of Manchuria gave him the most industrially developed region of China as a springboard to conquer the rest of the country, that and the US essentially stabbed the KMT in the back by forcing them to back down from their planned invasion of Manchuria. Mao could have been a continued annoyance for the KMT for decades to come, but without the very specific circumstances that gave him so much time and resources he'd have lost the war.
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>>763071
Considering how the leader of red orchestra was a former national socialist, and how Göbbels effectively calls the rest of the party traitors in his diary, I find that hard to believe.
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>>763072
I was under the impression that KMT still had way more equipment from all the international aid they received and from the surrendered Japanese. I could be wrong though, since I am not an expert on Chinese history.

How would KMT ruled China work though? I'd imagine that they'd be way less unitary and fairly similar to India IRL.
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>>763069
nvm I was thinking of TNO
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>>763078
doubting both of those statements
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I wanted to do a three-way Cold War mod using Vicky II with the Cold War mod as a base, I got burnt out trying to make it work so I ended up abandoning it. I contemplated starting over in HOI4 and started working on a vague idea for what Germany's tree might look like, but never went very far with that either.
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>>763100
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hear me out
>three way cold-war scenario where there was no WW2 and Germany just took danzig and possibly posen because the polish didn't put troops there
>nazi aligned hungary, italy, romania, sweden, denmark, bulgaria
>Poland sandwhiched between USSR and germany
>tomfoolery in yugoslavia between axis and allies with different civil war scenarios
>germany trying to steal the dutch out of the british sphere of influence
>influence struggle in turkey between germany and the USSR with custom spy missions
>civil war in greece ofc
>axis sponsoring anti-colonial revolts and allies trying to influence weaker axis nations into defecting
>soviets try to steal india away from the british
>USA trying to stop commie and nazi uprisings in the americas
>nukes not fully developed yet by any nation
would honestly work for both vic2 and hoi4
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>>763100
>>763104
>>763114
Nobody is stopping you modding is really easy to do.
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>>763114
that's kind of like the idea for the mod here >>763100 The basic idea was that (you) would start playing in the 1950s shortly before the death of Fuhrer Goering (Hitler having been assassinated in 39 before the start of the war). There would only be one civil war path and it would be basically a meme path where you'd have to rush democratization and then fuck up everything in the process. The Heydrich path would lead to a Continent-wide panopticon state, the Hanke path was basically Dengist Germany ending with Anglo-German alliance to defeat the Soviets. The Ludwig Erhard path would normally lead to kleptocratic "democracy"/oligarchy on par with Russia in the 90s, but if you purposefully fucked up the Reich bad enough you could get a 3-way civil war between the Republicans, party hardliners, and communists.

I had a fair amount of ideas for content in East Asia since the Pacific War still ended up happening, but it ended with an invasion of the home islands rather than an Atomic bomb. I always ran into issues in Asia though when working on the mod, because the British almost always declared war on the Soviets and started WWII almost immediately.
>>763143
Vicky II is actually pretty tough, but talking about the mod again has actually made me want to revive my attempt in HOI4.
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>>763145
i wouldn't do it in hoi4 desu
making focus trees is easy and all but making ones that last 10 years or longer is fucked up
vic2 would work if you took crimeamod and used the CWE tech tree
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>>763145
Vic2 is only fucked if you are touching the map. But shit doesn't go anywhere unless you do it.
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>>722835
>Can someone just make a fucking mod where it is Capitalism vs Fascism instead with Communism being mostly discredited
nah, lets have a mod where Germany and the USSR became allies (there were talks for them to join the Axis), and you have a 3way Fascism in Europe, Communism in Asia, and Capitalism in Americas power struggle.
>get visual novel event
>hitler justifying and coping to himself that USSR has reformed and is now moving towards Nazism cause they persecute joos
>jews deported to oblast in USSR (you can choose to create Israel in Siberia)
>USSR becoming North Korea tier state out of mass paranoia for an invasion and to evoke sympathy for Germany
>commie pakistan, northern india, SEA, korea, xinjiang, manchuria, middle east. rump china for even playing field.
>fascist everything yurop, including England (Soviet Air Force and Luftwaffe collaborated)
>capitalist North America. South America falling to nazbol subversion
>IDK what the fuck happens to Japan. would they have gotten chummy with the Soviets, try to go back to the UK for protection, or just be suicidal like IRL? either way, they probably become commie or non aligned and pushed out of Asia.
>focus path to integrate the nordic countries to form GROSSDEUTSCHESREICH VGHHHH
>black people sterilised in north africa cause germany told rump france to do so
>mussolini goes back to his socialist roots and sucks stalin's cock
>USA has KGB Spy national spirit
>secret protector of white man colony path for USA to protect the former UK colonies before they break away. can either go horribly racist or USA can be ruled by MLK AND THE BLACK KANGZ.
>secret meme time travel path where himmler invents a time travel machine, USSR is led by Yezhov (no portrait), Young Hitler comes to power and quarrels with Old Hitler for not killing the USSR
kek holy shit, this has the potential to be the most politically incorrect alternate timeline.
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>>763156
a red flood tier cold war mod would be kino af
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>>753832
Not her, but that cock belongs to my futanari tulpa wife.
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>>762910
>Liberals on Nazi Germany in the 1930s: "Hey look, they're recycling vulcanized rubber! Vampire economy! Failed system!"
>Liberals on the """"free"""" west in the 2020s: "You're gonna have to eat the bugs and that's a good thing"
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>>761337
>the tankman
I assume this is too early in the timeline to be a certain police chief's son from Graz.
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>>763269
>state mandated gains
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>>763251
Artist?
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>>722835
>capitalism vs fascism
Oxymoron
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>>763385
lol dude the USSR also had currency. and state owned enterprises. and a totalitarian nationalist rhetoric. don't even get me start on yugoslavia or china's market systems.
fascism is just fascism, the "third positionists", they literally stem from edgy national syndicalists. just because they didn't nationalise all industries or mixed corporate interests with the state does not mean they're the same as free market capitalists or liberals, it is dangeorus and intellectually dishonest to say so.
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>>763391
and before you go "LOL ISNT THAT AMERICA WITH LOBBYING AND THE 1%" no, shut the fuck up, the corporations kneeled to the state in fascism (sounds similar to a certain country today), not the opposite. ok, leaving. basedface, nigger, agh just fucking end me. nigger.
nigger.
basedjak.
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>>763397
Based strokeposter
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>>763397
are you ok?
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>>763385
it's incredible how Leftists have reversed their reevaluation of fascism as a coherent ideology distinct from capitalism since the fall of the USSR. Though I guess that isn't that crazy since modern day Leftists aren't really Leftists they're just edgy Liberals
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>>722498
1898 of course, as the name implies.
But it was replaced as standard rifle by the updated Karabiner 98 in 1935 you fucking retard.
I know this post is a month old but what the fuck point were you trying to make?
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Real fascism has never been tried. Best you got was a charismatic dictator and a band of his cronies + good old German Nationalism in Germany's case.
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>>763872
>The barrel is shorter, therefore it's a completely different gun
Do you work for the ATF, by any chance?
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>>763332
XavierGalaxy
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>>762990
>Only 15% of Chinese corporations are privately owned. The rest are either have the PRC as a majority shareholder or are have one or more of those companies as majority shareholders.
How does that make it a corporate system, exactly? At what % does government ownership suddenly institute a corporate system? Because thats not what its about, like at all.
>The PRC has the same economic structure as the Third Reich, it has very similar racial nationalism as the Third Reich, and increasingly it bases its legitimacy on a racial and national mythos draws directly from the works of Carl Schmitt an unrepentant Nazi who was so committed to his beliefs that he refused to take part in the absolute joke that was the American de-Nazification process even though it prevented him from going back to his job in academia.
I'm not to sure about that first or second claim, but I do know that Carl is controversial as fuck and that the writers that brought his work to china have to go to great lengths to dissociate themselves from nazi's. The Chinese also stunted birthrates, and are supported heavily by jews. Nice supposed nazi's you got there
>>762994
Fascism is wrongly called a merger, its an assimilation of both where workers Unions themselves become government entities in some fashion. Power, wealth, whatever becomes more and more centralized as time goes, that is the way of things. Fascism seeks to become the ultimate centralization, remove corruption and put power in the hands of the people.
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>>763397
actually fucking based commies sit the fuck down and shutup
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>>764189
>At what % does government ownership suddenly institute a corporate system?
at the percentage required to subordinate the capitalist class to the needs and necessities of the state and the people which is what the PRC does. You can look at Xi's recent attacks on feminized celebrities, corporate leaders trying to turn themselves into Western-style oligarchs and the revitalization of the Cult of the Yellow Emperor and you see the Fascist structure in the modern PRC.
>The Chinese also stunted birthrates, and are supported heavily by jews. Nice supposed nazi's you got there
Both the policy of birthrate reduction and the support originate from the Maoist period prior to Deng's counterrevolution. I made it clear earlier that I was talking about Post-Maoist China, not the charnel house nightmare show that was Marxist-Maoist China. The PRC has literally labeled Soros an economic terrorist and is clamping down on all sorts of Western degeneracy.
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>>764241
whatever, your just some china simp. The corporate system doesn't translate to "state owned", china isnt fucking syndicalist you moron. The people don't vote for ministries positions based on their job, they still allow market speculation and interest loans. Putting down western capitalist oiligarchs is exactly what communists would do. Just because they liberalized and a Chinese writer used another guys writings about collectivism and authoritarianism while vehemently disagreeing with his real life politics doesn't make them fascist. Likewise, neither do state run corporations when it has no resemblance to any of the traits that make a corporate system different from standard state run corps that have been around since the days of monarchy.
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>>764247
>whatever, your just some china simp.
No, I'm directly quoting from the foremost historian on fascism A. James Gregor you mental midget.
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>>764189
>Fascism is wrongly called a merger, its an assimilation of both where workers Unions themselves become government entities in some fashion.
My point exactly. The State and the economy become one and the same, and this *always* turns out poorly.
>Power, wealth, whatever becomes more and more centralized as time goes, that is the way of things.
Correct, though you're leaving out the last part of the cycle, where the civilization breaks itself and starts over.
>Fascism seeks to become the ultimate centralization, remove corruption and put power in the hands of the people.
Yeah, that's what the commies said, too. The problem is that people keep looking at this core problem of the government-economic complex, and deciding that the best way to fight it is to do the exact same thing, but don't worry, it'll totally work out for us because we're the good guys. Power is too fucking dangerous to be allowed to concentrate, and any power available to a government will inevitably be abused by said government.
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>>764252
Well there's your problem, listening to secondary sources instead of primary
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>>764260
>this *always* turns out poorly
Why? They will merge anyway, capitalists completely buy out democracy and communists purposefully plan shit poorly to root out the capitalist class. Fascism responds to both of these
>Correct, though you're leaving out the last part of the cycle, where the civilization breaks itself and starts over.
Here you seem to be implying that at this point things become less centralized? I could name probably a hundred revolutions where this was not the case. When government falls (barring the literal apocalypse) it is replaced, not done away with. There is generally no part where things become decentralized, especially not as communication improves and governments need to take on more and more roles to operate an ever complicating state. Liberalism only breaks government into a hundred tiny ineffective pieces that are just as easy as the last little shard to buyout and corrupt.
>Power is too fucking dangerous to be allowed to concentrate, and any power available to a government will inevitably be abused by said government
A small government just means that corporations take the place doing the things that need done, and because they are completely unaccountable, save for their profit margins, the results are often disastrous.
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>>764271
>communists purposefully plan shit poorly to root out the capitalist class
Any chance you've got a sauce handy for that? Closest thing I can find in the Communist Manifesto is from Marx's 12-part plan for the destruction of private property
>(i) Limitation of private property through progressive taxation, heavy inheritance taxes, abolition of inheritance through collateral lines (brothers, nephews, etc.) forced loans, etc.
>(ii) Gradual expropriation of landowners, industrialists, railroad magnates and shipowners, partly through competition by state industry, partly directly through compensation in the form of bonds.
>(iv) Organization of labor or employment of proletarians on publicly owned land, in factories and workshops, with competition among the workers being abolished and with the factory owners, in so far as they still exist, being obliged to pay the same high wages as those paid by the state.
However, these are all about destroying the private sector so that its assets can be folded into the state economy, rather than deliberately sabotaging the state.

Everything else, well, that deserves a big fucking post, so I'll get back to you on that.
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>>763064
China literally just banned 9/9/6
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>>722481
>Germany not allowed to build nukes because fuck you
Germany viewed nuclear physics as 'Jewish science.' It makes sense that they wouldn't develop a nuclear program.

And the rest of that isn't exactly unrealistic.
It's a perfectly rational view of what would have happened.
However it is a tad optimistic to presume that Nazi Germany would collapse in a civil war..
I mean, the Soviets and the Chinese never had a problem like that. What makes the Nazis different?
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>>763385
>m-muh late stage capitalism
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>>764337
The communist manifesto talks about expanding industry in ways that don't necessarily make economic sense (yes I'm paraphrasing) and to make inroads into society through despotic means (yes it literally says despotic).
>>764929
>Germany viewed nuclear physics as 'Jewish science.' It makes sense that they wouldn't develop a nuclear program.
Thats why they had heavy water and a nuclear program, right?
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>>765176
also they had an Uranium Cube , mind you this one was for Nuclear civilian energy research purposes
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>>765176
>Thats why they had heavy water and a nuclear program, right?
They stole all that from the Da'at Yichud and their top JEWISH atomic researcher, Werner Jacob Ezra Isaac Shlomo Abraham Binyamin Heisenbergowitz.

Of course I could understand Germany not being able to build nukes while Hitler is alive because he IRL was appalled by the idea of them. But that would be doing credit to Hitler, and that's not allowed.
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>>765176
Ah, here it is:
>The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State...
>Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.
But, once again, he's talking about the annihilation of the private sector through means of taxation, purchase or naked force, which, no, does not look sustainable at all. He's not deliberately making Socialism not work to own the capitalists, he's speaking of making private enterprise non-viable to force collectivization.
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what the fuck is going on in this thread
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>>765610
I'm not sure, but I think we've derailed so hard that we've broken through into honest, good-faith discussion of the viability of Fascism as an approach to governance.
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>>764271
>A small government just means that corporations take the place doing the things that need done, and because they are completely unaccountable, save for their profit margins, the results are often disastrous.
i think one of the few acceptable things to privatise is education exactly because of the profit motive.
in Yurop and Asia going to college is some authoritarian shit based on """merit""" from HS, that you often cannot change without wasting an entire year+ going to HS again as a adult. this also keeps the college pool artificially low, even though its "free", rich people are often the ones to benefit from it because of that (they have higher grades on average)

meanwhile in burgerland you just take a paid exam, go to CC, get into debt, and bam you're college-fit. anyone can go as long as they're actually able, no matter what age. its not free in money, but it sure is free in fucking time.
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>>762910
The easiest way to btfo this argument is to outline the similarities between Keynes and Schacht. Keynesian Economics worked out great till roughly the 80s Schachtian ones (which Germany would have returned to post-war maybe with a little autarkic stint) would have done the same
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>>763072
Suprisingly the Soviets didn't support Mao that much except with Manchuria. The KMT was just an unstable alliance of "warlords" rather than a unified fighting force once the existential threat of Japan was removed
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>>763072
a japanese general literally offered chiang kai shek to put the jap armies fielded in china under KMT's command. he refused, understandably, but japan+KMT coming together to face the greater threat would be kino
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>>765713
>a japanese general literally offered chiang kai shek to put the jap armies fielded in china under KMT's command
Source?
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>>765541
>this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves
Yes this is what I was talking about
>But, once again, he's talking about the annihilation of the private sector through means of taxation, purchase or naked force
not just annihilation, expansion of factories and a resettlement of everything evenly across the land. The methods are self sabotage, tax, bans regulations. "by degree's" he says, meaning even when communists don't have total control they do everything they can to break not just the economy, but the whole social order.
>He's not deliberately making Socialism not work to own the capitalists
But thats exactly what he is doing. Marxist socialism is a transitionary period the "despotic means" hes talking about are this transition of destroying the current society. Marxist Socialism is nothing more than the destruction of a nation and its people, because once these "class antagonisms" are dealt with through socialism, the ruling communist class will dissolve itself because class warfare, the *only* reason behind *every* conflict will be destroyed by destroying the class antagonisms.
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>>760649
Yo this is actually good
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Why does every mod have to deny Hitler's genius? The guy was on par with Julius Caesar
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>>766310
I think most of the major leaders of ww2 were titans but come on now, Julius Caesar? nah
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>>766315
>I think most of the major leaders of ww2 were titans
? None of them come close to Hitler. FDR and Churchill were fucking puppets, Mussolini accomplished less despite ruling twice as long, and Stalin's throne was ready-made
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>>766310
Julius Caesar was backstabbing snake that destroyed the cultural and democratic traditions of his city just for political power. That arrogant blowhard has nothing on the genius of the Fuhrer and National Socialism. Name one initiative brought about by Caesar to help the common man? His mass imports of slaves killed the domestic worker and enriched the elites. The Fuhrer made sure the common man had a job and took the concentrated wealth away from the Junker elite and gave it back into society. The Fuhrer has no equal when it comes to men from a backwater society that values the foreign over its own people.
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>>766327
>His mass imports of slaves killed the domestic worker and enriched the elites.
This had been going on for centuries and Caesars populist faction were the ones trying to take power away from the elites and fix that problem among many others, are you literally retarded?
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>>766328
>5 min
I'm getting sloppy
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>>766318
Mussolini literally invented fascism, no him no hitler
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>>766334
Read Spengler
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>>765657
stalin's primary interest in china going back to the 20s was making sure japan didn't conquer the place and he thought the KMT was in better shape to hold them off than mao was. kinda like how he thought the anarchists and commies were a bunch of losers in spain except in spain he was actually right.
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>>765655
except schacht got forced out in large measure because he was starting to get wary of inflation, much like how kodoha killed takahashi because he wasn't willing to finance additional spending on the army. if a victorious germany had forced most of europe onto the reichsmark then they could have countered the massive spending with a high foreign demand for the currency but it would have looked VERY different from postwar america
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>>766327
>Caesar
>Tyrant
Pick one.

The oligarchic scum that were the Optimates had literally run the republics economy into the ground and filled the cities (especially Rome itself) with an entirely new class of poor (the urban poor - Comprised of formally land owning farmers that had been dispossessed of their land by the massive slave plantations that many of the Optimates owned).

Caesar would have returned the land to the citizenry and let them go back to being productive farmers rather then an urban blight. This policy of not allowing aristocrats to gorge themselves at the expense of the greater society is why the Optimates violently opposed and eventually murdered Caesar.

Any other reasons given by the likes of Cato was nothing more then a weak attempt to disguise their naked greed and even contempt for Rome. The fact that those despicable treasonous dogs ran away from the city rather than face the consequences of their actions is quite telling as to who was the Roman People's real representative.

Caesar was a hero in every sense of the word.
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>>765610
People discussing stuff unrelated to grand strategy, because, like always, there isn't much to talk about a genre that's 90% idling after your first blob.
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>>722481
Cant WHAT into economics you degenerate?
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>>768931
Begone tourist.
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>>764929
They literally had a nuclear program that was halted due to germany lack of resources you brainless abomination.
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>>762970
fascism looks different from country to country depending on the racial character of the nation which adopts it. Read The Next Leap from the boiz (federal agents) at IronMarch forum
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>>763092
>mentally hijacked by trannymod in a genuine historical discussion
Many such cases!
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>>763100
>polish danzig corridor in a Nazi timeline
disgusting
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>>766341
based
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>>769372
Fascism looks different in every country because it is national, not because its loosely defined. No corporate system (syndicalism) no fascism
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Awww, sweet. A schizo thread.
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if you wanted to see a sóyjak quoting your post why don't you just go to >>>/qa/?
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There aren't enough jacks to post at "fascism is totes real and valid, you got to believe!" mentally deranged.
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Not an argument.
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>>769507
>>769518
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>>769538
to whom are you speaking, anon?
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Based
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>>722395
Road to 56 is the best.
I want to like TNO, because it looks like a good post-war mod. Paradox really needs a Cold War game, and I think this did a good job filling in some of the gaps HOI would have if it extended past the second Great War, but it’s unfun to play countries that don’t have fully developed focus trees, and I found the warlords to be kind of a letdown, despite appearing to be the one of most interesting parts of TNO. Still had a good time, but there was only one faction I liked to play (the guys who opposed Beria). The rest kind of sucked, and the ending was kind of anti-climactic. I like how they did the nuke program, but I didn’t like that I didn’t have much control over my policies when I was at war. I needed more manpower, but couldn’t increase conscription despite some divisions almost having no units. Very good mod otherwise. One thing to note though, is Japan is very boring to play, despite the fact it shouldn’t. I think each faction should be given its own ‘win’ arc, I feel like Germany and Japan exist there to lose. There should be a climactic war with the US, or even something with Nazi Germany. It shouldn’t just end after about a year when the focuses all run out. Since you can’t declare war there’s really nothing to do. They need to develop the mod more, and do better.
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>>769507
It wasn’t a schizo thread until you entered it.
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>>769723
He's come here from reddit to evangelize in the name of globohomo, anon. He's like one of those crazy street preachers who is shouting at noone in particular, except instead of God he believes in Kamala Harris.
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shit, I tried to find that Kamala Harris erotic fanfiction on salo forum but apparently it's down. WTF
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>>722349
Gypsy hands coded this mod
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>>769929
is that the gdps at start date ?
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>>770043
>start date
after 8 years.
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>>765610
Based Nazbol is taking on the entire Anglo-Zionist Entity that most posters are a part of
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>>769762
I like RT56, I just wish the devs had time to clean things up so they look cleaner. Also in my dream world they'd absorb CBTS or another similar mod so you could play from 1930 to 1956.
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>>722835
In TNO the coomieblock usually dies over the course of the game without player intervention.
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>>769929
wtf?? I love TWR now
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>>765610

Everything that there is to say about TNO has been said, so now anons want to move on to other HOI4 mods to gossip about. Only thing is there really isn't that much to say, which means it's just a bunch of shitflingling
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>>761720
>>761720
>>Marxists are literally incapable of such a thing, because since the very start of the Fascist revolutionary movement in Italy they've viewed fascism as contradictory insanity spurred by the final crisis in capitalism with no real doctrin
I never saw this shit until recently when lefties online keep reeeeing about Fascism being the culmination of runaway capitalism without any actual critique of its ideology. It's like none of these people know actual history of figures like Mussolini or the original NDSAP.
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>>774228
its because they haven't and don't care to. They hate how fascism basically solves all class warfare without killing literally every single capitalist and most of all they hate how it promotes the idea of the nation state rather than their globohomo stateless workers union who gives a fuck
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>>722481
I'm happy to return after a month of break in this thread just to see the response to this post. A good filter for redditfaggots and trannieslover.

May God bless this Anon.
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>>763385
Moron





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