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so what went wrong?
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They made a mod for a wargame where they removed all the war and railroaded it so that only one side can ever possibly win. After removing gameplay, they thought they could tide you over with shitty minigames and huge walls of text that nag you for not playing as a multicultural socialist country.
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Toolbox theory is gonna be wild!
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>>623200
Not to mention the walls of text are made in event windows with one of the worst, most unreadable fonts ever made
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>>623332
Holy shit this looks so fucking retarded, it's even worse because of that atrocious UI/font
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God knows when they're gonna release it, they lost their third community manager this week
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Are all these screenshots real? Further proof the mod shouldn't have been for HoI4 lmao.
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>>623332
>>623361
>>623362
they still making an update?
I though people said they just stop
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>>623360
Because its meme
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>>623362
This one is best thing to come from new update
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>>623406
yeah their still continuing with their roadmap, next update is Toolbox theory with a major overhaul to to economy system
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>>623192
Too much Cringe
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>>623192
Broad NAZZIS R BAD coalition attracts absolute dregs of society, fucked up people if decent coders, drama causes dev team to implode
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>>623192
Reddit trannies tried to make a mod, they purged all "extremists" from their team. They made a bazillion Russian warlord states but banned all Russians from contributing because Russia bad so you get shit like Shafarevich being a Drumpf analogy because everything is written by American liberals (the same thing happened with their Japanese content too, that's why there's literal Star Wars references in Kishi's route).
Then when they got exposed for grooming a 17 year old, they cried about how the Sneedclave making fun of them was destroying their art and killing the modding scene.
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>>623566
Oh yeah and the lead dev faked herself getting doxed for sympathy while trying to dox others, then got doxed for real.
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>>623568
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>>623192
The mod has its good and interesting parts, but it also gets very boring very quickly once you're done with said interesting parts. All you're left with after that is the endless fucking drama and the needless complexity just to make things look "cool".

It also can't thrive in an environment where games like this primarily attract existing /pol/fags or breed new ones.
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>>623568
>yeah beatiful sassy colored womexn like myself play hoi4 bigot, get over it.
they are not even trying anymore
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>>623593
muh /pol/fags ;w;
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>>623568
Trans or cis, I don't care. Honest or not, I don't care either. None of that even matters compared to how catastrophically reddit she was. The mod as a whole attracts the absolute most pathetic people imaginable, whether it be self-important manchildren or actual edgy children, and she was a big part of that..
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>>623593
the whole point of the stupid mod is to attract "/pol/fags" and then to "deradicalise" them
the proverbial well is poisoned from the get-go. you have a poorly written visual novel, that utilised 15 year old slave labour to meet arbitrary deadlines, designed to turn people into wholesome 100 chungus socialists and you're telling me that its not thriving because of the racists?
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>>623728
No, the point is to attract people who are interested in a more story-driven approach to a "popular" alternate history setting. FASCISM IS BAD being one of the messages it gets across doesn't mean that was the reason why the mod was made.
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>>623728
But actual /pol/fags are going to look at the mod, see some screenshots, realize it's just hollywood nazism, and not even bother to install it.
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>>623763
>He didn't see Panzer's interview where he directly name-dropped Vaush and said the point of TNO was to own and deradicalize da fashies
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>>623768
Explains a bit about why they have such outlandish concepts. If you're a crazy n*zi of course you'll be attracted to WACKY things like draining the Mediterranean or Poland being in Russia.

They also believe 60's era nuclear arsenals could wipe out human civilization.
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>>623788
If you think hollywood is reflective of reality, you probably have brain damage.
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>>623788
Poland being in russia makes sense assuming Soviet Union Breaking apart in such violent manner.
Milions of poles were resettled there, and they would definietly try to break free from slavery.
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>>623788
well if you do end up wiping all mayor cities from the map you ARE going to destroy civilization as we know it, even if you used exact copies of the fat boy and nothing more advanced than that

its not like you are erasing mayor centers of trade and production and creating multiple vacuums of political power
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>>623811
It would destroy civilization as we know it, but not push us back to bronze age as TNO implies
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>>623769
If so TNO did the exactly reverse. You can't deradicalise a radical. If anything you can turn the /pol/tard into a /leftypol/tard and nothing else. Anyone using TNO to deradicalise anyone on /pol/ has been met with vicious mockery.

>>623813
>Bronze age
I doubt it. Unless people start worshiping a machine cult that forbids people reverse engineering stuff it won't be this bad. Even if. Worst could happen is getting set back to a renaissance tech level for a while before making a quick recovery.
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>>623332
It took me several seconds to realize there's arrows pointing at probably something important on that visual vomit. Those arrows better be moving in the actual game, or else they're completely worthless.
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>>623828
>I doubt it. Unless people start worshiping a machine cult that forbids people reverse engineering stuff it won't be this bad. Even if. Worst could happen is getting set back to a renaissance tech level for a while before making a quick recovery.
I know, i just wrote that it would not be as damaging as TNO is trying to make it to be
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>>623849
Anon, its meme mocking TNO style, its not really in game
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>>623192
They wanted to make a VN, and then shoved it into fucking HOI4 of all things
really they could and should have just made it a VN with a dozen or more different routes rather than what they did
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>>623593
by far the most interesting bit of TNO is russia, everything else could have been a VN
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>>623200
>>623339
I feel like it could have been a great itch.io game or something, but instead they chose to make one of the biggest examples of what's wrong with ambitious HOI4 mods in general: a game that's supposed to simulate a single war being repurposed to play like Victoria or something.
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>>623862
Dammit, the fucking kids got me again
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>>623192
unironically trannies. I made fun of their mental illness and got banned
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>>623360
Meme mod written by mentally unstable teens
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>>623860
Yeah my mistake.

>>623728
pic.related
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>>623933
the Moe order exists
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>>623192
Trannies
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>>623362
Oh boy can´t wait for the ultra competent hoi AI to deal with this
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>>623192
it has no gameplay
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>>623828
>lower the gene pool
NO YOU HAVE TO IMPORT AFRICANS AND BREED WITH THEM FOR GENETIC DIVERSITY DESPITE THE FACT ISLAND COUNTRIES LIKE FUCKING ICELAND EXIST AND THE POPULATION ISN'T AN INBRED MESS PROVING THAT SMALL POPULATIONS CAN IN FACT EXIST ON A LARGE TIMESCALE WITHOUT MUH INBREEDING MAKING AN IMPACT
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It's essentially HOI4: Game """Journalist""" Mode. Made by a pack of poseurs who saw the mainstream acclaim Kaiserreich was getting, and thought "I be wanting summa dat". Lacking any kind of skills which could make a tangible difference in the world, or produce an actually meaningful work of art, they instead focused on the only thing they're good for - working on mind-numbingly easy PDX xml files. But lest I be accused of being unfair, I will give credit for at least one achievement - they succeeded in making the worst WWII strategy game ever made even worse.
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>>623936
Michael is the best girl
https://youtu.be/9gHeKbq1MK0?t=1462
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>>623568
>herself
>>623604
>she
>>624205
Yeah this shit is incredibly obnoxious. You only need a population of 1000 to maintain perfectly safe genetic diversity. We have millions of people in any given country. In fact, the entire world is desperately overcrowded. These fags disguise their interracial fetish as national interest despite logic being completely against mass immigration in every way except being a cynical source of cheap labor
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>>624217
And a source of delicious food!
Mmm, tacos!
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>>624216
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>>623763
>No, the point is to attract people who are interested in a more story-driven approach to a "popular" alternate history setting.
By that you mean a terrible visual novel trying to be a "political thriller" with no real strategy gameplay outside cheesing the big hyped african war with two air cavalry divisions?
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>>623828
>If anything you can turn the /pol/tard into a /leftypol/tard and nothing else.
Yeah that happened to me, but it wasn't due to a terrible mod like TNO, it was simply due to observing capitalist society over the last two years.
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>>624335
muh gapidalism
Yeah let's rehash a long dead g*rman j*w's ideas yet again, that always ends well
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>>624341
Or we could combine the ideas of a long dead Jew with the ideas of a long dead German.
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>>623566
I should mention that whenever an extremist was purged, all the content that they had made was unpersoned from the game. So you had people who had written most of Japan, India, Italy, etc content get thrown out, and then suddenly those countries have no content besides liberal trannies' retarded ideas like the Japanese navy shooting the Emperor just because.
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>>624397
I wanna make a WW2 Axis victory mod with a nazbol path combined with anti-Islam "clash of civilizations" rhetoric, and it will be led by Mikhail Suslov.
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>>624665
Redpill me about Suslov, what is his deal?
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>>624772
Tankie who massacred chechens. Pacifica has a huge crush on him.
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>>624772
>>624982
SUSLOV MORE LIKE
SUS
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>>625100
If I get into power I'd raise the age of consent to 21, just to spite your kind.
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>>625108
Add 5 years of required marriage to the it.
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>>625108
Why though
That's retardation
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>>623568
>herself
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>>625108
she was 18 you sick fuck
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>>623192
If anyone wants a country management and political story experience you should just play Suzerian.
Although TNO devs probably would hate it since you can't make a LGBT-Ethnostate and it encourages you to actually work more towards realistic goals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrdLTySs128
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>>625180
But you also play as not-Turks so that's fucking disgusting
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>>625200
fair
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>>625200
Not-turks? Isn't it more of a Latino expy?
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>>625003
>>624982
>On 26 November, 1946, Suslov sent a letter to Andrei Zhdanov, accusing the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee of spying. Suslov's letter, which was well-received among Soviet leadership, would serve as the basis for prosecution of the Committee during the anti-cosmpolitan campaign.[44] After becoming head of the Agitprop, at the height of the anti-cosmpolitan campaign, Suslov also purged Jews from media and public institutions.[45]
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>>625650
the game literally starts up with a poem from a t*rkish c*mmunist
not to mention the fact bluds are basically kurd expies
tarquin soll is not-ataturk
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>no path to have a soviet union ruled by beria
>no italian burgundian path led by evola
>no rommel controlled germany
>no finnish resistance group led by simo hayha
>no syngman rhee with a korean ultranationalist front that acts as the asian version of yazov
>no burgundian india led by savitri devi
>no khmer rouge led by nazbol pol pot
>no path to make walt disney president and turn the usa into a 60s corporate dystopia
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>>625911
>>no burgundian india led by savitri devi
That was a scrapped but developed idea wasn't it?
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>>623192
major issues:
development hell
overly ambitious plans (India fiasco, europe content purge)
pinkpanzer (lead dev)

lesser issues:
game engine limitations
cringe fanbase
railroadedness (well its their design/game approach, cant help about it)
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>>625911
>no Beria-Dirlewanger-Thatcher global paedocracy triumvirate
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>>624663
Liberals, not even once.
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>>623936
TNO Devs and Mods are in bed with the developers of TMO.


There's no hope there
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>mfw I took a peak at the discord
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>>623192
Tons of underage trannies
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>>623788
Draining the Mediterranean sea sound pretty cool though
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>>625911
>Detroit is not a fascist city state that worships Henry Ford as the god emperor
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The best part about TNO's apocalypse events is that Germany is blamed for causing the apocalyse even if le shrimp boat incident occured
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>>626939
Just like in real life with the world wars
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>>623192
Hitler's assassination failed.
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Don't know why people take TNO serious. To me it's funnier if it's just an alternate timeline where every historical figures worst traits is turned to 100 and everyone is bat shit insane.

More like an experiment to create the worst timeline possible
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>>627029
>serious
blame it on panzer's Kult der Persönlichkeit, many of his original longtime fans still abide to his prime rule that TNO should be taken seriously and has a "secret message" to it
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>>626929
No it's retarded.
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>>627029
Why are certain figures except from this and rendered into wholesome 100 demsuccs
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>>627037
Esoteric Panzerism is a thing. He wasn't far away from getting people to cut his name into their thigh last time I looked.
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>>627145
Who? Sablin? He gets eaten pretty easily by the other warlords anyways
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>>627182
Are they still planning to woobify the crazy genocidal Ostland Jewish guy and Meinhof?
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>>627029
The problem is that the mod takes itself too seriously despite having some of the wackiest paths in any HOI4 mod.
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>>627693
TNO would benefit from going full on Wolfenstein and embracing the wackiness
Let Göring vaporise Washington with the Sun Gun
Let the Black Mountain crazy scientist guy I forgot the name of actually make an army of superhumans to conquer Russia with
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>>627693
Red Flood says hi.
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>>623361
>>623332
autism UI
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>>623192
they decided it was a good idea to turn an autistic ww2 game simulator into a fanfic
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>>628564
Hoi4 encourages fanfics, aka focus trees, and the fact that hoi4 lacks any sort of depth, already turns it into a visual novel.
It was just matter of time.
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autism
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>>627826
red flood most definitely does not take itself as serious as TNO, i mean france literally starts with an event of artaud jizzing on a piece of art
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>>624397
Simpson's already did it
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>>628647
They're reworking France now to be more 'realistic'.
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>>628697
fuck that shit then, i'm out.
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>>626932
would be an improvement over that shithole's current state desu
>t. white detroiter
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>>625108
>embracing feminist pushing of old roastie value
ngmi
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>>628697
It's less about 'realism' and more about fixing out of character moments and unnecessary shock factors.
The France they released at first was made by brainlet ex-devs who only skimmed through wikipedia pages and made a hodgepodge work of 'le cursed' shock value content.
The nu-devs actually read shit like Bataille's Accursed Share and Artaud's actual rant about burning the world in fire. And are now trying to make France actually based on the people it has instead of headcanons.
As for the content itself? Theyre still wild if you actually read what's being presented.
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>>623200
/thread
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>>624217
There is no overpopulation problem, but there is a just as catastrophic and systemic problem of mismanagement on a global scale, greatly exacerbed by the lack of interest by numerous financial institutions to insure the "hygiene" of their clientele money. We've been allowing corrupt retards (redundant imo but whatev) to run the show internationally, and been far too lenient on their miscreant behavior which consequences are cumulating at a now nigh exponential level.
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I was on the team for ~3 weeks as a minor coder + writer like a month or two before release
Will post greentexts in a bit
Otherwise AMA if you want
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>>629211
On Panzer:
> speak to panzer once in vc when there's only a few of us in vc
> he seems normal enough, nice guy
> after he joins the vc quickly fills up
> suddenly vc is filled with zoomers and trannies sperging out at panzer
> he's loving the attention
> leave because it's weird as fuck
> his interactions in text also are weird, generally everyone is incredibly sycophantic to him
> basically the team has a cultlike attitude towards him

On working with people
> bureaucracy is actually pretty competent, manage to get from application to doing work in like a day, don't get what i wanted but still happy with my stuff
> have to come up with a basic blueprint of my plans, submit it to my region dev, he agrees and i start working on it
> talk to team members, most are 16 year olds with 800 hours in tf2 whose concepts of history go no further than their knowledge of ww2
> one day tranny joins vc, this was before I knew basically anything about trannies and their behaviour
> i tell them a brief rundown about my work
> they sperg out and start talking very loudly and quickly about how they wouldn't get my work and it's very neurotypical of me
> keep making fun of them, they get scared and won't join vc when i'm there
> repeatedly refer to them as he, no one is confident enough to tell me to stop
> one of the 14 year olds tells me to use she/her, call him a retard and refuse
> make a joke about sex in front of the tranny, tranny spergs because they are asexual and triggered by sex
> get reported to team dev, can't interact with tranny any more
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>>625911
>burgsys = good
fuck you there needs to be more ultranationsalists
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>>629539
>missed the "syngman rhee" part
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tranny here, tno is stupid because it takes out everything I like about hoi4 and map games
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>>626932
>>628714
Well, you can do that in After the End mod for CK kek
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>>630260
but it's still ruled by niggers
>>630243
still, you will never be a real woman
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>>623332
lmfao why the fuck do I need to know someones stomach lining in a grand strategy game?
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>>629211
Oh shit,whats your discord tag? I think I heard this story before,or stuff similar to this in my experience of talking to former TNO devs.
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>>628746
So they're keeping anprim France, but with a pagan flavor?
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>>630500
I know
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>>627707
>Let Göring vaporise Washington with the Sun Gun
That's not how TNO works anon, it has to be rigged so that the bad ideologies always lose because muh historical determinism.
>>627182
Not that guy but you could say that about Kennedy and, according to the design docs, McGovern. Just goes to show that devs = libtards.
>>627191
>no commie German path to have the Baader-Meinhof group take control and publicly admit to the holocaust, and say that it was based and that the jews deserved it for being "the embodiment of capitalism"
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>>632048
>Kennedy
Lol
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>>630915
you the tranny or the ATE guy?
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so...
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>>623192
hoi4
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>>632276
TNO deepthroats the Camelot myth so hard and so deep that whoever pulls it it out would be crowned King of England.
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>>623192
everything, the font kills your eyes
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>>630549
its a meme not from the mod
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>>623332
you jest but i'd actually appreciate this level of autism
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>>623768
Yeah it's immediately obvious they don't understand or like National Socialism, so why the hell would anybody want to play a game by them about a natsoc empire? Makes no sense desu
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>>630795
More like making the outlandish radicals actually behave like their actual beliefs
Confirmed names so far for the Avant Garde coalition:
Escadron Droite - Guillaume Apollinaire
Escadron Droite - François Coli
Escadron Droite - Charles Nungesser
Escadron Gauche - Valentine de Saint-Point
Escadron Carnaliste - Pierre Drieu
Parti Surrealiste - André Breton
Syndicate Nacionale - Georges Valois
Cercle Artaud - Antonin Artaud
Mouvement Carnaliste - Marc Augier
Mouvement Carnaliste - Leon Degrelle
Mouvement Carnaliste Ajiste - Jacques Schweizer
Mouvement Carnaliste Puriste - Alphonse De Chateaubriant
Societe Acephale - Georges Bataille
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>>623768
>>635850
And pray tell what's actual National Socialism then. And if you just regurgitate a /pol/tard's fantasy anons God so help you.
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>>635998
What kind of a focus tree will they have?
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>>623788
I thought that was because technology advanced at a faster rate than OTL because of the nazi victory.
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>>636195
No idea
So far only the intro was revealed
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>>635998
After seeing Doriot, Bonaparte and Petain in every mod released ever, I have no idea who these fuckers are
Anyone has a rundown on these frogs?
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>>636219

Doriot started off as a commie, became national socialist und was disppointed that Vichy France wasn't more fascist.

Pétain was the leader of Vichy France, tried for treason and sentenced to life in prison after the war.

Louis Bonaparte was the pretender of the dynasty that Napoleon founded, was part of the resistance movement and actively fought against German troops during the war.
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>>636236
Anon was referring to the peoples in >>635998 list
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>>636219
Apollinaire was a poet that died in WWI
Drieu was a writer and collaborator.
Breton was a surrealism fucko
Valois was a fascist, socialist and resistant.
Augier was a SS, then wrote under a false name.
Degrelle was THE belgian fascist
Chateabriant was a writer and collaborator
Bataille was a philosopher fucko.
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>>636306
>collaborator
>poet
>collaborator
>artist
>collaborator
Im starting to see a pattern here
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>>636200
Is Artaud going to stay the leader with only his portait changing depending which party's in charge, or is "Le Patron" going to be only one of many path that can be taken?
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t*anny
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>>623360
kill yourself
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>>623360
>>623849
>>630549
these are your average /vst/ards
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>>623332
This is beautiful
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Just wanted to throw my two cents at this mod

When you make your first play through everything seems quite impressive, but once you spend a bit more time with it he flaws start to show.
The writing is complete and utter fucking SHIT, the "characters" act in the way a teenager thinks adults behave, the portrayals of ideologies and extremist acts are complete non-sense which only goes to show the shallow and surface level understanding they have of the subjects they wrote about.
After having spent about 30-50 hours with the mod i conclude that it's not worth giving the time of day and you are better off doing something else with your time
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When it first came out it made me feel uncomfortable because I was just expecting funni nuke memes
Did it get less edgelord since?
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Made me kek when I saw one of the loading screen quotes was fucking Rene Guenon.
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HoI4 mods are so fucking retarded
They basically make text novels inside a war game.
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>>623568
>herself
>>623604
>she

>while referring to a mentally ill gay man wearing a skirt
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>>623763
the kind of people doing thes ekinds of mods, and even games know exactly what they are doing, even gloating about it, you cant see because you are either naive, blind brainwashed or all of the beforementioned, you better be born after the 00 because any oldfag knows how gaming, and the world used to be before things got this bad.
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>>623192
Trying to force a victoria mod into hearts of iron. Also the devs being retarded on every level possible.
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>>623200
Yeah Russia is the place to go for traditional war or a Goering germany playthrough. But TNO is not a war game and was never meant to be though war does still play a big role.
Its all being reworked.

TT(Toolbox Theory) update changes everything. That enormous mechanical update sets the stage for the content updates. 4 are currently in development with different teams and an integrated former submod team is now working on south america.

The over the top cartoon villain tier lore is also being toned down because Panzer's influence is being scrubbed. His retarded "AUTHORITARIANISM DOESN'T WORK!11" approach is first to go and the teams have been honest about it showing that they do actually work in many areas of the world.
Atlantropa meme is likely to be massively toned down aswell.
>>623339
>worst
TNO demo was the worst. Literally had to turn it off after 5 minutes.
I can play the actual mod for hours with no issue.

>>623361
I spoke to one of the devs a while back and they said TT is extremely boring to work on. The 4 update teams are making fantastic nation stories and content with unique mechanics and the TT team are stuck on economics,proxy wars and political overhauls.
Its been internally delayed 3 times due to burnout.

None of the content updates can release until TT is out as every update from then will have to work with TT.
All the current content has to be playtested on every path aswell for TT.

Just fucking wait till 1.11 drops and NSB. The HoI dlc and patch will destroy every fucking mod due to the enormous changes and additions.
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>>642806
are you a tnodev, if so when's this update gonna be released?
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>>642806
2 questions
1) is there gonna be a drastic completely change from the biased tranny's agenda? are they gonna tone down some of the path like removing italy's unnecessary woman arm force focus tree, tone down himmler path to be more realistic ?
2)are there gonna be moe new focus tree for country like france, sweden, turkey, bulgaria, romania? like france preparing for war against burgundy and sweden or denmark trying to manage nazi influnce? and other germany's puppet getting their focus tree?
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>>642831
Kind of.

The original date was December 2020 then it was March 2021 and then May 2021. We don't have a date all we have that are concrete is TT update is first and EN,PW and ST is whichever comes first once TT is out for a few months and people have had time with the enormous system changes. I'm working on one of the content updates now and having great fun writing events for a calamitous trade deal that results in some very diverse physical events and helping to pre plan the extensive railroad and bridge networks due to the 1.11 update for HoI IV adding railways and bridges as physical items on the map.
The land warfare rework, weather rework, supply rework,trains added and tank designer is already giving the entire team headaches as all of that needs to be integrated into the mod.

>>643247
>1) is there gonna be a drastic completely change from the biased tranny's agenda? are they gonna tone down some of the path like removing italy's unnecessary woman arm force focus tree, tone down himmler path to be more realistic ?
There are most certainly changes. Italy is getting a FULL rework for 10-11 years worth of content. Himmler is a tricky one.
>2)are there gonna be moe new focus tree for country like france, sweden, turkey, bulgaria, romania? like france preparing for war against burgundy and sweden or denmark trying to manage nazi influnce? and other germany's puppet getting their focus tree?
Yes to all countries. There are teams for all of them but right now the focus is on TT,EN,PW and ST updates.
Most of the RK's will be getting trees, as part of EN(Europas Narben) RK Moskowien(including splinter states),General Gouvernment, RK Ostland(all 6 factions) and RK Ukraine will be getting content of around 4-8 years each(ultimately get swallowed into Germany through integration mechanics if they stay loyal).

RK Kaukasien is part of the future TVTJ update that includes Romania,The Balkans and Goerings germany rework.
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>>642831
>>643350
Like I said. Developing TT is very boring to work on(from several dev's own lips) due to the focus on economics compared to the content updates which is focused on nations,characters and mechanics for those nations. It's very good though as right now the economic system has no impact, you can hit negative red and nothing happens. In TT it actually is crippling. It feels like Vicky 3 for the modern age with sliders for basically everything alongside production units.
The team has significant burnout as the TT update expanded with time,its very far along though from last I heard about 2 weeks ago as in 80% complete. It went from a solely economics update to a economic/proxy war focused update with political sub ideology work and now there's a big bug fixing push alongside reworks to a few russian warlords and lore changes such as the collapse of the Free Territory in Russia and flavor and world event chains added to a lot more nations such as the West African crisis and Phillipines revolution(so the proxy wars can actually make sense). Oh and there's a lot of new 3D models aswell such as Atlantropa,Volkshalle, Eiffel Tower and the Russian "wonders".

pic related is a meme/hints about how extensive the update actually is.
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>>643350
>>643400
Small question from another modder but, how do you make it easier for you to gain coders/GUI guys that can help make complex technical stuff? My mod hasn't had much luck in recruiting,can you send some tips if possible?
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Wow, this Toolbox Theory thing is really impressive, but how does this fix the broken combat system with the helis?
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>>643400
Why are the different Reichskommissariats actual countries that can estabilish diplomatic relations with other nations? That makes no fucking sense. It should all belong to Germany proper, and if you really have to implement different events and mechanics for certain regions you can do it through an interface.
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>>643612
> that can estabilish diplomatic relations with other nations?
They can't
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>>643400
How the fuck is something like this even organized? Coding wise I mean,GUI didn't look that complex since its literally just sliders and pie charts.
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>>643615
they still don't make sense, they are represented as actual different political entities. if that looks right to you, then why not also create all the 50 American states as countries and have them led by a puppet master in Washington?
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>>643400
>argentina not even once
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>>623192
On another note, was this guy really insane irl? Did he make writings arguing why killing minorities would resurrect/return Alexei or Anastasia? IRL he was simply a Nazi Collaborator and a monarchist. He would have fit best in Samara or as an Authdem advisor in Vyatka according to this fact. None of the other characters in the game are smeared as much as this dude. Worst thing he did was likely indirectly causing Vladimir Nabakov to become a pedo since he killed Vlad's dad.
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>>623828
It's really a poor tool for deradicalization. Playing fascist Speer is extremely satisfying and makes you yearn for a better world. They're doing a rework to make it harder, but the more challenge the better.
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>>644089
The only bad thing about fascist speer is that he basically gets strongarmed into giving rights to jews otherwise he goes into the le nazi failstate mode where he's inexplicably a puppet
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>>643400
So it's boring as hell to make, and honestly looks boring as hell to actually work with as a player, why the hell is there so much effort going into it? With how No Step Back is gonna screw everything up, it seems like they're better off just waiting on Vicky 3, since that seems like it's gonna be a lot closer to what TT is trying to make.
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>>644118
Ah yeah the repeal of the Nuremburg Trials. My guess is that is because they applied those laws to Slavs after Jews were sent to the Levant or Madigascar in that universe. Shows how shit the writing is, considering that Hitler saw Slavs as simple farmers who he wanted to trade with and Germanize, so he would have applied a much different racial policy towards them than the Jews. "The Eagle Soars" speech was extremely satisfying so it's still worth throwing the Nuremburg Laws considering the low kike population within the Unity Pakt.
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>>644159
*Nuremburg Laws not Trials fuck lmao
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>>644082
No, he was just some fucking half-Jewish monarchist collab, he also killed Vladimir Nabokov's father. That's it.
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>>643350
>>643400
Do you think Borman will evolve from the german failstate rut he's been pushed in or will he actually get a good chance to win the cold war?
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>>644082
>None of the other characters in the game are smeared as much as this dude.
He's a character there for some le epic Warhammer references. Don't think of the TNO characters as real people.
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>>643350
Adding content for nations that ultimatetly will get swallowed without having a say in the matter is still the dumbest idea I´ve heard of
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>>630549
>not using someones stomach lining to determine when to attack
ngmi
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>>624397
Nazis were already socialist.
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>>644884
>mfw
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>>629191
Mismanagement on a global scale by a certain big nosed kind. All would have been solved in a real life TNO.
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>>644884
Duh, it's even in the name.
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>>636425
He's only a puppet leader now, he'll be replaced after another leader is chosen by the player.
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>>632048
>Kennedy
Isn't he portrayed as a massive crook because of the COINTELPRO stuff?
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>>625911
>>no syngman rhee with a korean ultranationalist front that acts as the asian version of yazov
There is but he's Chinese, sadly he'll be cut off.
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>>623192
what went wrong? Devteam dramas aside, it's just people's attempt to make an alt-history scenario with them having some actual political views.
It's inevitable.
Unless you're totally not giving a single fuck about politics you'll never make something objective.
Don't try to question that, your althistory dream would make commies and democrats eat shit with Germans being demigods.
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>>645851
The only mod made with a non-biased objective view of politics is Red Flood
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>>645851
>Unless you're totally not giving a single fuck about politics you'll never make something objective.
It doesn't have to be "objective," it's a video game.
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>>623361
it looks cool but the UI is atrocious
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what went wrong is that the TNO crew be glizzy guzzling
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>make a mod that is fully driven by focus trees, with almost no player freedom
>add in a bunch of mechanics
>they slow the mod down
>you have to babysit them every 5 minutes of your country will collapse
>they provide no interesting opportunities for the player
>in addition, throw in 30 different government modifiers, all countries have almost all of them be debuffs
>as a result, the player can only really reliably make infantry as most countries
>because of muh realism infantry nie requires like 4 types of equipment to be deployed, which only further worsens the lack of production in most countries
The TT update may make the mod completely unplayable to non-devs, as it seems to me that you will add even more useless, annoying mechanics that need to be babysitted.
While the story stuff can be enjoyable in TNO, the gameplay is frustrating and boring. I have played it like 10 times, and I was bored even while playing Göring.
Here is my hot take: TNO is much more enjoyable as a Youtube let's play than a playable mod.
This Is what went wrong with TNO in my humble opinion.





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