The idea is that all players are statesmen (not rulers or generals) of a nation, and they vote on what action to perform every turn (which will take 10 seconds) and compete against other player-led nations.I intend this game to be complex with a low low-learning curve so it is easy to get into but hard to master, with this complexity I mean it has:>closed economy (each province has private and public wealth)>pops with ethnicity and religion, who migrate and revolt>knights who duel and commands>governments that function differently>rulers whose stats impact everything>forts that protect nations>barbarians that destroy everything>it has pie charts. So, the goal is to make it much more than just a map painter.Because one setting/map will get tiresome after a while, I intend to make several maps on which players will able to vote every round.Possible actions include:>invade a province>colonize a province>plunder a province>fortify a province>recruit a knight>assassinate a knight>collect taxes>raise taxes>purge dissidents>hunt outlawsBecause this game will be for /vst/ (even if nobody ends up playing it), I might as well ask for any suggestions.
>>611051Fuckload of pie-chartsIts all i want
>>611051Isn't this just a gamified age of dubs?
>>611051I'd play it
>>611081Initially, I wanted to make just a video game of it, but I completed that project within a day grew bored of it, so I developed something else out of it.Dubs was the definition of a map painter, as the only thing you could do was to conquer provinces with dice roll. With FFTP you can't map-paint randomly, everything cost resources. I.e. in order to conquer a province, you need silver and a knight to lead them, based on the knight's stats, their odds of success varies and they might actually die and fail. And in order to take a fort, your knight needs to slay the enemy knight guarding the fort in addition to winning the assault. This will essentially mean a knight with great stats will be unstoppable, hence it might be beneficial to try assasinating him (which too will cost silver).Silver itself isn't automatically given, but something you need to spend turn on collecting from the citizen, if you collect too often people will turn into outlaws and start pillaging your provinces, which means you will either have to watch your empire collapse or try hunting them down.
>a browser game for /vst/>The idea is that all players are statesmen (not rulers or generals) of a nationSo the players, also known as anonymous 4chan posters, will be the parliament? I suggest you do proof of concept first by getting /b/ to count to 10.>Because one setting/map will get tiresome after a while, I intend to make several maps on which players will able to vote every round.Consider making a map editor that techlets can use.
>>611173There is always the fear that some people seek to ruin other people's game by derailing the game plan, but that's democracy meanwhile Baden is undoing all Trump's actions.
>>611051As the OG DM for Age of Dubs you have my approval, hope this project goes well
>>611130What tutorial should I follow to create my own mini-strategy game like that?
>>611173Wait, so this won't be like a room based game where you invite fags to join your room and start the game with like 4 people? You vote with another 10 fags what your nation will do? I think that's actually more fun. This game could be the next town of salem, OP. Host it on a site and jew in some ads, then maybe make a premium thing for skins and such. I could help you with avatars and art if you like
>>611051I'll expand how pops and economy works for all 0 people who are curious:>each province has public and private fundsPublic represents silver stored by the local magistrates, while private funds are silver owned by residents. Each year turn, every pop province pays one silver from private funds to the provincial public funds (separate from nation funds) , and once public funds reach certain threshold, public funds will be used to increase the pop limit of the province, which will return all the public funds to the private funds. If the province population is less than 10 pop, it will generate a new pop every 20-years, if the pop cap of the province is maxed out, the newly generated pop will migrate to a province within the same kingdom that has room if there is no room they become vagabonds, who will have 20% of chance of dying each year and will kill other pops until.That all happens on the background without players' doing anything, but that ties to the taxation. Nation has action called "collect taxes", which means every public fund from provinces will pay flat tax (NOT RELATIVE) to the state, another action "increase taxes" increase taxes of specific province. When the enemy invades province they will seize 20% of province's private funds.This all means that province can run out of private funds, and not only be incapable of producing any taxes and decreasing in population every year until the province becomes abandoned. Reversing the impoverishment of the province must be done by building a fort there, which will move the cost of the fort to the private funds of the province.
>>611247>You vote with another 10 fags what your nation will do? I think that's actually more fun.Yes, that is what I thought. You have to make compromises to win when playing with people with different ideas.>Host it on a site and jew in some ads, then maybe make a premium thing for skins and such. I could help you with avatars and art if you likeAt this point I don't intend nor expect to make any profit, I'll be very happy if at least some people find it fun.
keep me posted
>>611276>for all 0 people who are curious>9 unique IPs>if the pop cap of the province is maxed out, the newly generated pop will migrate to a province within the same kingdom that has room if there is no room they become vagabonds, who will have 20% of chance of dying each year and will kill other pops until.Until what?Vassal states might be an option. Or, I dunno, prison colonies.>and not only be incapable of producing any taxes and decreasing in population every year until the province becomes abandoned.But also...?
>>611461>9 ipsnigga if OP delivers this won't be /vst/'s game, this will be 4chan's game.
>>611051This seems like the best idea to ever occur to mankind. I'll follow and play when you finish.
>>611461>Until what?Until all the province's pop have become vagabonds, which means provinces become uncolonized. Vagabonds are bad, they represent outlaws, bandits, beggar, they will actually kill settled pops every year.>>611525I'm trying to give all five government forms a fun bonus to make them seperate, the five governments are:>monarchy>theocracy>republic>princedom (mix of monarchy and republic)>military order (mix of theocracy and republic)Currently, I have only come up with a bonus for military order and republics:>military orders get two knights from "Recruit a Knight"-command instead of the regular one>republics are immune to unrest, so you can tax people to spacenot sure what modifier/abilities monarchy, princedom and theocracy should have
>>611051Here is how capital's work:in Age of Dubs the game would end capital fell, in FFTP I wanted capital remain important but not vital, so I ended up with a compromise.>every capital must 2 or 3 fort level>once capital falls, if the nation has another 2 or 3 level fort, the capital will auto-relocate to there>otherwise, the invader will annex all the territories of the nationCapturing capital is much harder than regular 3-level fort, because, during the capital assault, the enemy knight needs to slay all the defending knights (of which there can be max 6), while non-capital forts only require defeating one randomly selected knight
>>611051This looks inspired by those paint map editing game threads from a while back.
>>611231did tranny janny delete those age of dubs threads?
>>612231Map is a remake of 2nd edition Age of Dubs.I need some ideas for knights. So knights are randomly generated commanders whose stats determine success of operation, while prudence determines the odds of surviving failed operation.
>>612235Nah. The jannies were fine with it.
>>611991>>otherwise, the invader will annex all the territories of the nationGay. Make the ones the invader hasn't conquered go neutral.
>>612285Why? There isn't neutral provinces per say, the grey provinces are uncolonized provinces that have barbarians. Each settled province has pops and I'm reluctant to relocate all the pops.Why shouldn't capturing a capital be rewarding?
>>611051Here is how exclaves work btw:>all provinces need to connect to the capital either land or sea>if nation A is able cut-off B's line of communication area, it will defect to A, even if it has forts
>>612293>Why?Because in history people kept fighting all the damn time even after their capitals and/or rulers were taken.>There isn't neutral provinces per say, the grey provinces are uncolonized provinces that have barbarians.That's what I expect, essentially. Local warlords seizing an opportunity when the ruler goes down.>Why shouldn't capturing a capital be rewarding?You get the silver and whatever else it has.
>>612235jannies seemed to be fine with it, they just died off once the game reached the end. I have them all saved too, maybe I'll do something with them who knows
>>612327>Because in history people kept fighting all the damn time even after their capitals and/or rulers were taken.I don't think that'll be a problem because capturing capitals will be very difficult, and will probably require many turns of build-up.When coastal capital assaulted it has succeed all phases:>1. naval battleIn order to assault a coastal fort, nation needs at least one ship. In the first phase, attacker's ships will fight with defender's ships. EACH INVIDUAL ship will roll a dice against other ships, one who gets better roll will sink the other ships, thus 3 lucky ships can potentially defeat 6 ships. when other side runs out of ships the sea battle will end, if attacker won the assault continues to next phase, if defender won the assault is aborted.Nation can spend a turn building 5 ships that will expire in 20 years, thus max ship number is 100.>2. knight battleThe randomly picked knight that commands attacker's army will duel against ALL defender's knights. Unlike ship battle it has less RNG, instead knight with better skill will automatically slay lower skilled knights, if they have the same skill they will flip a coin.One knight can be recruited per turn.>3. land assaultWhen the defender has ran out of knights and ships, the commanding knight will order an assault to the castle, based on his military skill, odds of success range from 8% to 50%.Note that even assaults are expensive, and attacker will eventually run out silver if they repeatedly fail, forcing them to collect taxes, allowing the defender time rebuild fleet and knights.
Added colonizable islands, these should offer interesting bases for collapsing nations because they are only adjacent to the capital provinces they are easy to defend.
how many players? and how long would you imagine each game would take?
>>612786>how many players? Any number of players, there will be a team of statesmen for each nation, and those teams can have any number of players and they can join any time during a game, I'm also developing rudimentary AI that can at ling to life, in case some nation runs out of players.>and how long would you imagine each game would take?That is an interesting question because one turn will always take 10 seconds, I believe one of the nations will be eliminated within 2 minutes, third nation will probably die within 10 minutes, and 3rd nation will probably be conquered within 30 minutes or 180 turns ending the game. Let me know if that sounds too long for a round, if it is too long I could allow multiple actions per turn. I'm trying to make a game in which event one province minor can with make a comeback with of luck and strategy.
>>612805The what, how would you get 10 randoms to agree on something with 10 second turns.
>>612933That'll be fun of it, you have to make a compromise and pick the least bad option even if it isn't ideal.Like if your team of 10, 9 people cast different actions, you can decide which action will be played by voting one of them, because the relative majority will win. If you too cast a different suggestion one of the suggestions will be randomly picked.
>>612955it'd be fun to test out different voting systems to see how well they play out>everyone has 1 vote on what action to do, plurality wins, random tiebreaker>everyone has 1 vote, runoff vote(s) in event of a tie breaker, then random tie breaker if final runoff still has a tie>ranked choice voting with X many options>approval voting with X many options
>>611173>I suggest you do proof of concept first by getting /b/ to count to 10.imagine, competitive 1-to-10 countingalso with shit like transformice, amogus or cursor.io where retarded group dynamics are fun I don't see why OP's wouldn't beissue is for how long though, aiming for potential complexity might just frustrate players that want to dig into the "hard to master" part but can't because of retards
>>612982Would it help if there was additional ban-voting?Like team-members can "shun" one of their team-members and if a team-member receives 5 shuns, they are "exiled" from the nation.
>>612995>issue is for how long though, aiming for potential complexity might just frustrate players that want to dig into the "hard to master" part but can't because of retardsHere is an example of the complexity>Green team is dominated by newbies who didn't read the info page>Gold team is led by veterans>Green team thinks they can annex Gold within just three turns>they spend their turn invading, 25 and 24, and the assault Gold's capital>what they didn't understand was that Gold spend the previous two turns buildings ships, so they have 15 ships and Green 5>this means that when Green assaults the Gold's capital their 5 ships will sink and assault will become impossible as long as Gold has more ships>if Green had been smart they would have at least tried burning the ships before assaulting>now, because Green has spent all their initial silver on this failed blitzkrieg, Gold is actually in better position>within the next five turns Gold has good odds of retaking their provinces and capturing Green's capital because they have the ships to support assaults on coastal forts
in order to finance conquest silver is needed, which can be accumulated by collecting taxes or pillaging other provinces
>>611051>Possible actions include:>>invade a province>>colonize a province>>plunder a province>>fortify a province>>recruit a knight>>assassinate a knight>>collect taxes>>raise taxes>>purge dissidents>>hunt outlawsneeds to be simpler desu. think of games like diplomacy which have very few actual moves but they interact well to make an entertaining game
>>614899I feel like I have to start cutting out of ideas because at this point I'm not getting any closer to release, then again lackluster launch might result in dead on arrival.I'll be cutting:>monarch mechanic>pirate mechanic>diplomacy mechanicHere is my todo list:>make GUI acceptable>impliment ships>impliment knights>impliment assassination and ship burning>impliment vagabonds>get server working (I'm thinking node.js on heroku)>beta test with help from /g/
>>615462Shill me your site or something.
>>617594The site will have a responsive layout and made of two pages the game page and info pages that explain all the game's mechanics.I'm kinda torn if I should put google ads there or if I should go with donation button.
>>618100Dunno, but you should let us know where to find it now, in case thread dies.
>>618832There is no online version as of yet or a while, if there was I would have already posted it. I shall make a new thread when I'm ready.
this sounds like a mix of slay and vicky. im down
I can't draw for shit, but I feel like these settlement progression images better than nothing. Maybe I'll end up making pre-rendered CGI images in the fututre.
>>611051this game used to be good
>>611051the fuck is that gay ass name? hahahahaha
>>620916It is a reference to The Prince in which in which Machiavelli keeps going on about the fortune of the princes, I intended to draw several core designs from his bookI also like the acronym FFTP
>>620924>princeps fortune<the lucky princess You like dick in the ass
>>621160lmaooo faggottt srsly though I'm developing a browser rts too wanna discord / talk game dev or something?
>>611051I will gladly serve /vst/ as a statesman
There'll be quite a few anti-blobbing mechanics so that ideally even city-state has a chance of making a comeback.I.e. Red invades Blue's province,>if this province has only 1 pop it will surrender to Red no matter what>otherwise, the next move is determined by the culture of pops>if one of the pop has Blue-culture, it means they will fight for their nation and have a chance of repelling Red's attack>however if they all non-Red-culture people it means that province will surrender without a fightThis means that retaking core-territory is easy, while conquering foreign province is hard.
>>623333Well, I appreciate people bumping my thread.
>>611051Bump, sounds interesting and I hope things go well for you.
i like the look of this a lot, i have always wanted to play browser games with random anons but have never found one i actually enjoy
>>611051Reminds me of the BT map.Why not make it Battletech themed? It fits all your requirements thematically and mechanically, Plus who doesn't like space at&t, lords, knightly mechs and space fiefdoms.What's the target est. time of play? I used to play a lot of old browser strategy like Tribal wars etc but they all cucked free players with freemium and terrible business models.
>>623620>Why not make it Battletech themed?Because there are 10000 space-themed strategy games, and I'm not interested in the space theme.>What's the target est. time of play?As said here >>612805 probably 30 minutes per round, but that's a rough guess.
>>623633>I'm not interested in the space theme.Yes but medieval dark ages spaec, anon.I appreciate your commitment to being free. Don't listen to these faggots telling you to charge for skins, they are crack addicts and don't even know it.
>>623640>Yes but medieval dark ages spaec, anon.still space>I appreciate your commitment to being free. Don't listen to these faggots telling you to charge for skins, they are crack addicts and don't even know it.Yes, I'm certainly not going to do a freemium
>>623682It was worth a try
>>611959>monarchy; build forts at 50% silver cost>theocracy; can annex a neutral tile as a free action every turn>republic; can build forts as a free action but still 100% silver cost. Forts increase odds to eliminate brigands in adjacted provinces by 20% per year (so total of 40%)
>>623798I like the idea of decreasing cost. But I'm a bit reluctant about "free" actions, seem like they would derail the balance.
I have reached an interesting development. Basically, the inclusion of unrest and economy made it so the game has gone to a stalemate and lasted 1701 turns.Basically:>in order to get tax from a province it needs to have a fort or unrest below 50%>taxing gives +3 unrest, and every turn decreases it by -1>which means repeatedly taxing will diminish your taxes>but the forts are expensive and require constant taxationSo, the AI has found a loophole, in which they make a majority of their territory for fortified, which majority will still pay tax, but they have to spend 75% of their taxes on maintenance, which means to it takes AI 10 years to save up enough money for an invasion of a province, and because their enemy has 3 level fort it only has 25% of succeeding, so AI ends up spending 50 years in conquering a provinceI feel this fairly realistic, because many empires ended up spending most of their money on forts.I guess I should tell AI to demolish conquered forts, but this doesn't really prevent players from abusing it...
I think I'll use socket.io
>>611051Add buildings like farms and manufacturing retard
>>626056Well, it is supposed to medieval themed, so not sure about manufacturing, and farms are themselves represented locals.But some buildings like mines that provide independent revenue from the pops might be good.
bag alert major bag alert
I got migration mechanic working
>>626120by manufacturing i mean anything that happens in a city and that produces somethingif that isnt good enough make more trade stuff like trade routes
>>627128I mean, having more strategic resources like:>grain>wood>iron>stone>woolMight be interesting.I'm thinking every province should naturally store certain resources, and when needed them for action you auto-buy them from a province and the distance of the the province from capital adds to the cost so if your only stone producing province is 10 provinces away, it is going to be super expensive to build a fort.But that might be too autistic...
Putting a focus on tall than wide is turning out great.From pic related we see that Blue and Red have the same population, and nearly the same number of provinces, but yet Red is earning over twice as much as Blue, because tax isn't based on pop but settlement level, which is based on private wealth of the citizen, thus Red has more developed settlements while Blue is undeveloped shithole nation where people are unable to pay proper tax.
can you execute all players of a certain category?like kill all roasties or niggers and such?
>>629278Of your own team? um... Maybe in the future, but not on launch.
is there going to be any sort of simulation of terrain? how are seas and mountains and such going to work?
>>629502On launch, there will be inland and coastal provinces, coastal provinces are special in that coastal forts can be defended with ships and are not lost if exclaved, unlike inland province.What would want from terrain and sea?
>>629538will you divide the pops into roles such as soldiers,farmers and labourers?i still dont understand how the combat works
>>629567>will you divide the pops into roles such as soldiers, farmers and labourers?On launch, pops will only have the attributes of culture and religion. In later post-launch, I might create a caste system of serfs, freemen, nobles, but not occupation-based.>i still dont understand how the combat worksIt is a fairly abstract and simple system.Basically, there is no manpower or anything like that.Attack operations are carried out by abstract mercenaries, and there different types of attack with different odds of success and cost. The three are:>liberationIf a fortress province has a pop of your culture, you can liberate it by spending 50 silver, it has 100% chance of success, but you can't liberate it if the province has another pop that is loyal to the current owner.>invasionIf the province has no fort, it can be invaded by spending 100 silver. If the province has enemy loyalist pops (and at least 2 pops), they will attempt to fight back your mercenaries, so the result will be dice roll with 50% to 80% (based on your knight's skill level) chance of success. If you win the the pop will be killed.>assaultIf the province has a fort it must be assaulted, assaults will cost 200 silver. Assaults have two stages (three if coastal), during the first phase your knight will fight the defender's knight, both have stats from 1 to 6, one with higher skill will win, if same dice roll. Secon phase is similar to the invasion battle aforementioned.The idea of knight battles is that even losing nation can have a great knight that prevents the enemy from winning. Knight themselves can be summoned every turn, and enemy knights can be assassinated. Thus if the enemy gets a 6-knights and is heading towards your fort, it might advisable to try assassinating the knight.Does that sound complex?
Here is how basic GUI works:>1. press one of the action buttons>it will circle all provinces in which said action can be performed>2. select one of these circles to target the province>3. press PROPOSE MOTION to send your proposal for the turnI initially wanted do the text based command thing, but people on /g/ told me I should avoid that. I guess this better.
>>611191>Baden is undoing all Trump's actions.good. Trump's policies were retarded
>>629989Looking good mate. I look forward to when you start play testing. Are you still thinking about the gov bonuses? Here are some more ideas;>theocracy - better at Converting pops to their culture>sultanate - less unrest from tax collection>monarchy - cheaper fortifications>republic - reduced maintenance cost >oligarchy - automatically win knight fights in a stalemate
>>630269>theocracy - better at Converting pops to their cultureJust now I was thinking what I was gonna do with religion itself. So I came up with this:>each religion has a church>each pop pays 4 taxes the local public treasury and 1 tax to their religion's church>all pops pay religious tax no matter what nation they are part of so. So broader religions mean more tax.The churches will then use their vast wealth to convert fo foreign pops to their religion, meanwhile states can collect a church tax which seizes 20% of church's wealth. Thus if church is over taxed religion won't spread and there will dimishing returns. Furthermore churches will continue operating even after nation related to them has fallen.>Theocracies's will be to be able tax 50% church tax>Monarchies get -25% for construction buff and -40% fort maintenance>Republic get no unrest>Military orders get 2 knights summoning a knight, max 10 knights instead of 5>princedoms get -50% from intrique action such as knight assassination and burning fleets>>oligarchy - automatically win knight fights in a stalemateThat might be really overpowered because the only way the get past them then would be to assassinate or wait for the knight to expire.
This seems very cool. When do you think it will be up for testing?
>>630364Probably not before the end of this month, I still have a lot of cram exams.
>>630269what about dictatorships
>>630519I dont want to glorify fascism or allow people to live out some right wing fantasy, so they won't be added.
>>630873facism =!= dictatorshipYou might as well have a fascist monarchy or facist democracy, regardless princedom is essentially dictatorship.
>>630873will we be able to mod the game once its out?also >glorify fascism>allow people to live out some right wing fantasybro you are making a game for /vst/ autists to LARP online
>>629538i was thinking stuff like impassable mountains, or each province having some terrain that modifies things like defensiveness or how much pops want to move there
>>630969The current map as you see has 49 provinces, it doesn't have a need for impassable wasteland because it already has lakes the lakes.The thing with terrain is that I don't want to have paradox-like one terrain shit, I want to have deforestation mechanic alongside, which would to the resources mechanics.
>>631228>will you ever develop the ability to make implicit mapsMost likely.>or will you add more maps to the game?I'm most certainly intending to add more maps after launch. I'm thinking more historic maps like Heptarchy, Tetrarchy, Frankocratia
Took two days to do Church mechanics...Basically, each state has its own church, and the church gets special tax from all adherents, they will then use the money to either send missionaries to convert infidels or build a temple in a parish province.Temples are shields, as in if a foreign missionary comes to a province with a temple he will burn the temple and die in progress. If two missionaries meet they will kill each other.Missionaries perform a 10-year mission during which they have a chance of converting 1 pop per turn.Missionaries will donate part of their budget to the locals and disband once they run out of money.
k, keep me posted
I think I'll release a single-player version for testing before the multiplayer, because it is faster and might provide some insightful feedback
>>611051why not a board game like settler of catan
Single-player release!https://fortune-for-the-princes.herokuapp.com/Note that vagabonds and ships are still unimplemented despite the buttons being there, so it is very WAI.So, here is how you play:>go to the court tab and select a court to join>then select action button, it will show you the cost and name of the action>then some actions require selection of target, basically, most targets are provinces, only knight assassination requires you to go to the (knight tab and select a target from there)>then just press the PROPOSE MOTION button to carry out your turn>turn order is randomized every turn, and if somebody's move might invalidate your action>all actions are validated every turn so some button will be locked>you will eventually run out of money, which is why you can choose to raise money by selecting one of the red buttonsThere are quite many mechanics that I have rambled about previously and I will make a more detailed guide in the future, but explore for now.
the graphics are bad
>>635537There were some bug-related GUI and player turns, but they should be now fixed.>>635548Not helpful criticism.
>>635537Thanks, will test it out when I have some time.
>>635537i have to decrease my zoom to 80% to click the propose motion button
>>636354That must be Chrome? I playtested this on Firefox, and in Firefox no matter what resolution the button is visible.I think the issue is that I never gave inputs a default height. So, apparently, Chrome and Firefox have different default heights, Chrome's being bigger than Firefox, leading to the hiding of button.
>>636366I am playing on Firefox latest version
>>636399and this is non-mobile? and it still shows with 0.0.4?
why do my assault on castles always fail?>>636404it's fine now
>>636409>why do my assault on castles always fail?Depends on what the message says.If your knight lost to an enemy knight it means that the enemy knight has a higher defense than your guy's attack, which means you either need to murder him or recruit a better knight.If it says garrison repelled the assault it means you lost a roll.You roll a dice from 0 to 5, and your roll needs to be higher than the fort level, so if the fort is level 3 you have 40% chance of winning, for 2 fort 60% and for level 1 80%
are pops supposed to be static?
i cant attack blue for some reason?
>>636564oh wait i am retarded sorry you have to press the liberate button
>>636554No, they are not static. Every 10-years there is a POP.size/10 chance for pop growth, this means that 1 pop has 10% of growing and more than 10 pop has a 100% chance of growing.Every time you pillage or invade a province with a pop of the owner's culture, you kill that pop, hence the border region usually has only 1 pop. You can't kill the last pop of the province and it won't resist an invasion.Each settlement also pop cap which is:>lvl. 1: 5>lvl. 2: 10>lvl. 3: 25>lvl. 4: 50If the pop cap is reached, the new pop will move to another province within the state, but if there is no room they disappear (this will become a vagabond in future versions).Settlements themselves auto-upgrade incrementally.Each year every pop moves ×4 private silver to the public treasury of the province. And if they reach an incremental upgrade cap, they will buy a part of the upgrade. When they have bought all the upgrades the province will update to the the next level.For example, LVL 1 settlement's upgrade cap is 25 silver and they need 40 upgrades. The upgrade cap itself is hidden for now.TL;dr pops will upgrade their settlement as long as they have silver, if their private silver is pillaged or taxed, their progress is halted. They get more silver from most of your actions. For this reason, fortified settlements usually more settlement growth than the rest of your provinces.
I have cut the yellow army off, why isnt the territory given to me?
is there a cap for what i can pillage?otherwise why cant i pillage 11 or 25 or any other?
>>636606Exclave rule only applies to landlocked parts, Gold's 25 and 39 are port provinces, so the rule doesn't apply>>636611You can only pillage provinces that have at least 100 private silver. Your pillage loot is 50% from province's private silver, and your pillage cost is 25 silver, so if you were pillage province with say 70 private silver you would only net (70*0.5)-25 = 10 silver.With the 100 silver cap it means, every pillage will net you at least 25 silver.
I feel like a brainlet, since every time I make any sort of progress with my conquest I just get cucked out of my victory because the blues or the yellows just start attacking my core territories. I tried building forts but they just dissapear after a while. Not to mention that every single time I've assaulted a fort I've ended up loosing a knight.
>>636712>I feel like a brainlet, since every time I make any sort of progress with my conquest I just get cucked out of my victory because the blues or the yellows just start attacking my core territoriesFor a failed offensive to result in a defensive position is only natural. The good thing about defending your core territory is that it is easier and cheaper, because liberation is only 50 silver, as an opposed to the invasion of 100 silver.>I tried building forts but they just disappear after a whileThere are multi ways for forts to disappear, if unrest reaches 100% the people will destroy a fort, but at the moment the unrest is pretty nerfed and shouldn't reach 100% unless you tax your people every turn.More common ways for forts to the destroyed is if you run out of money by the beginning of turn.From the ledger, you can see your expenses (exp.) every turn you you should have at least that much silver, otherwise a fort-level is destroyed for every fort you cannot pay for.>Not to mention that every single time I've assaulted a fort I've ended up losing a knight.Knight battles aren't random but determined by skill level. Your knight's attack skill should be higher or equal (in which case there a coin toss) to the enemy knight's defense.You can see the knights from KNIGHTS-tab.If your knight has a lower attack, you can try recruiting a better knight or assassinating the enemy knight, note that the max skill is 12-so the enemy knight has above 10 defence you might consider murdering them.Note that when you do assault, your assaulting knight is picked randomly, so if you have two shit knights and one good knight, your enemy might still win the knight battle.
what is barbarian power?
>>636773Every turn, if there are uncolonized provinces barbarian power is increased by 5%, and every colonization decreases it by 20%. When barbarian power reaches 100%, the barbarians are going to invade and uncolonized one province next 5 years.The number below the percentage is the barbarian loot. The nation that colonizes the last province gets 20% of the loot while 80% of that is distributed to the state's provinces (helping them to develop).So, if you ignore the uncolonized provinces long enough you barbarians will punish you, but if you are the colonizer of the last province you will be rewarded with silver.
>>636749Thanks, is there a guide somwhere that can help me get a grasp of the game a bit easier ?
>>636749>if unrest reaches 100% the people will destroy a fort>but at the moment the unrest is pretty nerfed and shouldn't reach 100% unless you tax your people every turn.i dont know if im just retarded at the game but i think you should add more ways to make money to not resort to taxation once you cant pillage enough provinces to make an invasion
>>636749I really think you ought to consider fading out the proposals that are currently invalid (can't be afforded), as well as to disable or cross out those that are completely non-functioning. Showing your currently available silver clearly at all times would also be nice.
>>636918the ledger shows how much silver you have and how much silver others have
>>636918To continue a bit, showing the result over the territory would be a nice UX feature as well; for instance, just showing the silver to be gained by pillaging a territory when you click the pillage option, showing the silver cost to invade/liberate a territory when you select those options.
>>636813here is a very rough guide I just wrote:https://fortune-for-the-princes.herokuapp.com/info>>636883I mean in addition of collecting tax and pillaging you can also tax your church, which takes 25% of their earning (50% if you are a theocracy).As a part of the resource system, I'm thinking a 4th way to earn money, which would be to sell your resources to off-map nations.
>>636924Is it currently impossible to capture an enemy capital?
>>636918>I really think you ought to consider fading out the proposals that are currently invalid (can't be afforded)That technically already works, but there is an oversight because fort maintenance is taxed before the proposal is carried out. So if your fort maintenance is 5 and you have 100 silver, and your action costs 100, it means that 5 silver is deducted first and then the motion is invalidated because you only have 95 silver left. I'll make it so that actions will be greyout only if you can afford them after fort deduction.>as well as to disable or cross out those that are completely non-functioningThey aren't? Navy buttons are disabled.> just showing the silver to be gained by pillaging a territory when you click the pillage option, showing the silver cost to invade/liberate a territory when you select those options.That is already in, when you select pillage and click to different targets you can see the silver changing.>>636967no, it is not, did you make sure your knight has better attack skill? if he did, even with level 3 forts there is a 60% chance to lose the garrison fight phase
>>637024>That is already in, when you select pillage and click to different targets you can see the silver changing.I mean literally on the map, like pic related. It would also be good to show the silver cost/gain from any currently selected action on the provinces if applicable. I know it's an alpha/beta, but your UI design is really mediocre to bad. You can see your current silver, but it's among a list of other numbers that aren't half as important. It should always be visible somewhere prominent on the screen. If the buttons currently have an unselectable state, it's not nearly clear enough for me to notice. An effect more like the Attack proposal icon in my picture would be more clear. Before reading the guide, I got stuck for a bit upon losing my Knight, and while I figured it out, and later noticed that the log mentions how you need a Knight, I don't think that's clear enough to a new player, who probably won't read the manual.
>>637094Thank you, that's a very good critique, 0.0.5 should now address all those, except I still didn't get around blocking actions that will go over budget.>I know it's an alpha/beta, but your UI design is really mediocre to bad. That's perfectly valid, I'm struggling kinda struggling to get everything to fit.>Before reading the guide, I got stuck for a bit upon losing my Knight, and while I figured it out, and later noticed that the log mentions how you need a Knight, I don't think that's clear enough to a new player, who probably won't read the manual.I mean, I don't want to baby the player by blocking them from making bad decisions, and it might be strategic way to get your bad knight, until and if I add action to exile your knights.
>>637207It's a lot nicer to play with those changes. Is it worth building forts? I tried one game of building forts on all border territories, but it becomes a major problem when an enemy with a superior knight captures one. It also seems really odd to have six forts suddenly vanish in one turn when the treasury accidentally hits zero. Not sure of the solution to that. Is there a roadmap or some other game design doc you have?
>>637414he should really try to fix the forts, it is not viable to have them when they get destroyed at every turn
Is it possible to increase settlement level somehow ?
>>637917stop taxing your people and wait a decade
>>611051OP I don't know half of what I'm doing but I love this game
>>637862They only vanish when you end the turn with zero silver in the treasury. Perhaps instead he could make it so that they just lose their effectiveness for that turn, so any calculations treat the territory as not having a fort, until the next turn that you can afford to pay the maintenance on it, which could also accumulate. (First turn not paying: 5 silver, second 10, 15, 20, etc(?))
>>637961just like real life
>>637414>Is it worth building forts?I like to think so, note that the cost of building a fort is only 50% of the cost of assaulting a castle. So, if nothing else you are making the conquest of your enemy expensive.>but it becomes a major problem when an enemy with a superior knight captures onMaybe you want to try assassinating them.>It also seems really odd to have six forts suddenly vanish in one turn when the treasury accidentally hits zero. Not sure of the solution to that. This game has a circular economy meaning in beginning all provinces, nations, churches, barbarians, missionaries, etc have total of 14000 silver, no matter what happens in the game that number remains the same, the currency just changes hands. This means hoarding a lot silver becomes more difficult the more you hoard. Everything goes to something, when you pay for invasion the 100 silver you paid is distributed evenly to your provinces's local economies (and something you can collect back in taxes), so do the fort, fort maintenance cost is 5 silver, thus every fort level gives the local province 5 silver. There is no room for room for debt, everything needs to come from something, that is why your forts gets auto destroyed when you can't pay for them.For yes, I could make a warning about you being unable to pay the bill next turn.>Is there a roadmap or some other game design doc you have?No, I guess should make one, but I'm something of a "gardener". Ships and vagabonds are next things that I should add, and eventually the multi-player.>>637917I guess I could give you the option pay the upgrade cost of an individual settlement, but it would be very expensive, upgrading from 1 to 2 costs 1000 silver and from 2 to 3, 2 000.>>638010read the guide if you want to know:https://fortune-for-the-princes.herokuapp.com/info
>>638013At the moment forts are not very complex, I don't know if they should be. Regardless this is a bigger issue than I thought, because fort maintenance is calculated before your motion is passed it means that even if you collected taxes fort would have been demolished before. So this actually forces the player to make sure they have enough funds for two turns before.I guess I should make it so that motion is carried out first.
>>638063I hadn't noticed the circular economy, but that's interesting. You said "in the beginning"; does that change over time? Is there some way to inject wealth into the world? (Do you plan to add one if there isn't?)
>>638068>You said "in the beginning"; does that change over time?no, it is in the beginning and in the end.>Is there some way to inject wealth into the world? (Do you plan to add one if there isn't?)No, I plan to keep it it circular. But I might add similar things like the barbarian wealth, like the afro mentioned external nations who can buy resources from you. But this external nation would too only have a limited budget.
>>638083That seems like a bit of an odd choice, since there has been lots of economic growth over the course of history, but okay. With regards to knights, what are the rules for which one gets picked to be in a fight? Is it completely random, or is it the one with the best stat for a particular circumstance? (Best defensive knight in defense, best offensive on the offense)
>>638093>That seems like a bit of an odd choice, since there has been lots of economic growth over the course of history, but okay.When you print more money, the value of existing money inflates, but all the money combined given any time is still worth the same. In all other strategy games I know, you can just print more money with no inflation. So there are only two choices to avoid it, either make an inflation mechanic or circular economy. An inflation mechanic would be autistic and messy as fuck, so I choose to go with a circular economy.>With regards to knights, what are the rules for which one gets picked to be in a fight? Is it completely randomYes, it is random for both, I have been thinking if assaults should be led by the best attack-guy, trying to balance randomness with automatization is tough.Something I didn't yet implement but I'm meant to be that, capital would be defended by ALL your knights from oldest to youngest.
>>638118I'm not talking about printing money out of nothing. Mining, manufacturing, improvements in farming techniques, population growth, infrastructure; all of these are real economic growth. You can't seriously tell me you believe that the amount of wealth in the world is the same as it was two thousand years ago. It's fine if you want to keep the simulation limited to a certain level, but the real world isn't circulatory in such a restricted way.
>>637961But anon, how am I supposed to fund my conquests and colonial ventures ? The war machine isn't gonna start itself y'know.>>638063Well now knowing that I don't think it's neccessary anymore, aside from doing it maybe for the different government types ?Also how hard would it be to add some flavour to the government types ? Like, for a example, changing knight for a marshall in republics or a grandmaster in case of military orders ?
>>638127I'm not an economic historian by any means, but I do believe every time when you add water to salt it dilutes, currency is only as valuable as people value it at, even if you find more resources. You can't have economic growth without some other area suffering economic decline for example at the moment Asian laborers benefitting from economic growth while the European/American middle class is suffering economic decline.>Mining, manufacturing, improvements in farming techniques, population growth, infrastructure; all of these are real economic growthDuring the medieval period, knights hoarded most of the wealth, during the late medieval period things you said helped to reclaim wealth to more people, but I believe the relative value was the same.>You can't seriously tell me you believe that the amount of wealth in the world is the same as it was two thousand years ago.It really complex thing, you can't really asset things from that way back, but do I believe that if you account for all chattel and immovable property it would have been the same. Again not an economic.>>638201>But anon, how am I supposed to fund my conquests and colonial ventures ?Pillage and tax the church.>Well now knowing that I don't think it's neccessary anymore, aside from doing it maybe for the different government types ?What isn't worth it? The forts? Should buff them?>Also how hard would it be to add some flavour to the government types ? Like, for a example, changing knight for a marshall in republics or a grandmaster in case of military orders ?I mean, even republics and bishoprics still used knights. I was gonna give every nation a ruler with different title, but I couldn't come up with a way to make them matter, maybe they should have different stats that impact costs and stuff?
>>638255>What isn't worth it? The forts? Should buff them?I was thinking about upgrading the land, but that could tie into>maybe they should have different stats that impact costs and stuff?Infrastructure upgrades cost more for something like a republic but a republic can tax out more money out of it's citizens ?Monarchy can just upgrade whenever they want but they get less taxes due to feudalism ?Military orders have cheaper invasion, assault and gain more money out of pillaging ?Religious orders get more money out of church taxes and also have their religion influence spread out faster ?
looks really cool OP, let us know if you open source it, maybe i can drop you some small PRs in the futurealso i know you probably don't plan to anyway, but please don't put ads, they do more harm than good unless you have tens of thousands of users
>>638265>I was thinking about upgrading the land, but that could tie intoI mean, could be hybrid, because they independently upgrade it. So, eventually they are gonna reach point where they only need 200 silver to upgrade and you could give it to them, or let them take 20 turns to pay for it themselves.>Infrastructure upgrades cost more for something like a republic but a republic can tax out more money out of it's citizens ?I meant for leaders, 0.0.6 has different bonuses for different governments which are:>monarchies: 20% cheaper for construction>military orders: can recruit max 8 knights instead 6>republic: people will pay taxes until 100% unrest as opposed to 50%>theoracies: get 50% of church taxes instead of 25%>princedoms: get 50% off from murdering knights
0.0.6 should now prevent the player from making moves that would result in the destruction of their own castles due to inability to pay, so there should be less fort destruction, because knight rule seemed to problem for many, I added a warning for it
>>638651maybe give the player a warning before passing the turn>this action will result in you losing a fort, are you sure?or>this will decrease stability, are you sure?i think it would be useful
>>638201>But anon, how am I supposed to fund my conquests and colonial ventures ? print more money
>>640162There is already a message it is:>YOU are running out of silver, and some of your forts will be destroyed unless more silver is acquiredAlso, 0.0.7 is now released, it introduces the ability to cut wood and sell it to the Trade League, which the first step to the trade and resource system.I was meant to include ships in this patch but I ran out of time.
AI finally managed to take down a faction
I finally managed to take down the reds, you should have added >During assault, the best and oldest knight is chosen for the mission, instead of randomly pickedsooner because it is really useful
now i will just wait and see how much the population can grow before i end the game
The AI keeps recruiting knights after i destroy them
1 million popsalso my capital changed at its this multiethnic and multireligious salad somehow
>>611051thank you for developing a game for us
>>640287spoiler: max pop for max settlement is 50 pops so with 46 provinces it should be technically possible to have 2.3 million pops, but in practice that is an impossibility because everybody >>640303doesn't have enough wealth to keep upgrading their settlements.Anyhow, what did you think of the trade system? Did it make the game too easy?For 0.0.8 there will be ships, you need ships to take coastal forts. You will be able to build your own ships with wood, or buy them from Trade League (which is 50% more expensive but 50% faster).>>640303well that's interesting bug, the page is supposed reload after you kill the last nation
>>640315>Anyhow, what did you think of the trade system? Did it make the game too easy?no, i never found myself using it that much because it takes lots of turns to turn a profit and i can just pillage a province (some provinces gave me 300 Gold in one turn) or i could just spam taxes on the church/people to get my land backit would be more interesting if you could tax the resources that the pops make in percentages (like 25%,50%,75%,100%) or maybe adding trade nodes that you can tax if you control (and that would give some provinces strategic priority over other provinces)
the game is stuck????
>>640181I can't sell wood anymore because the trade league is out of silver. Will they ever get more?
>>640617yeah me too
>>640614i dont understand why the game invalidates yellow's turns????
Why is the option to assassinate a knight not available? The guide says it costs 200 silver and I have 265.
>>640660Show an image of the available knights to assassinate.
Just tried out a game, it was surprisingly fun. I think this is a bug though, blue didn't capitulate at all when I took their capital like with red or green, and they still are considered alive with them still recruiting knights even after I've taken every province.
>>640660>>640677I beat the game regardless, was pretty fun. An idea I have is to make the Unrest mechanic more impactful. For example if a province reaches max unrest it revolts and becomes an independent faction.
>>640568>no, i never found myself using it that much because it takes lots of turns to turn a profit and i can just pillage a province (some provinces gave me 300 Gold in one turn) or i could just spam taxes on the church/people to get my land backI see, well pillage is good to be better, I mostly created this way of making money because the bigger you grow the less opportunities you have to pillage, but I do think felling is unrewarding, so I'll double its price foe 0.0.8, thus 10 wood will sell for 100 silver, isntead of 50 silver.>it would be more interesting if you could tax the resources that the pops make in percentages (like 25%,50%,75%,100%)I'm not big in poll tax, in my first concept there was meant to be differe tax obligation level, which you could increase, but aborted it because I don't it worth a turn to increase taxes on certain province, and it would be overpowered to increase it in all.>maybe adding trade nodes that you can tax if you control (and that would give some provinces strategic priority over other provinces)making some provinces more strategic would indeed be something I'd like to do, but at the moment I'm not sure which provinces should those be
>>640614>>640659>>640625I think AI is trying to sell the wood to the Trade League and the trade league is out silver. It shouldn't break the turn...>>640660I really need to make infobox on why buttons are greyout...>>640617No, I released 0.0.7 before I could finish their source of income, which is using wood they bought to build ships and sell them back. It'll be in 0.0.8>>640678>Just tried out a game, it was surprisingly fun.That means a lot thanks.>I think this is a bug though, blue didn't capitulate at all when I took their capital like with red or greenI'll look into it.>>640698Maybe foreign culture pops should try reestablishing a fallen nation?
Since you're back OP I have a few questions and observations about the game. For starters, what exactly is going on with religion? All I know about it is that I can tax the church, but otherwise everything happening with it might as well be random to me, with temples being made and destroyed by missionaries. Is it safe to assume that you'll add more ways to interact with religion?For pillaging, I just want to say that I really enjoy this mechanic, I especially like grabbing border provinces just to get closer to a rich province to pillage it, which can then fuel more expansion. For forts I'm a bit unsure about them. They feel like a double-edged sword since if you lose them you're now in a much worse position than if you had lost that province without a fort on it. As it is now, you would only want to have forts if you have superior Knights, otherwise you would want to demolish them as soon as you encounter an opponent with even a single Knight with high defense and high prudence.I also don't see any point in having forts in any locations that aren't bordering other nations, so I just end up removing the starting capital fort so that I have less maintenance cost.
>>640899>For starters, what exactly is going on with religion?All pops will (no matter what nation) pay 1 silver (from local economy) to their church.When the church gets 500 silver, they will either hire a missionary or build a temple.For 10 years, missionaries go from province to province converting 1 pop every year, while the temples act as boobytraps that will kill the missionary and the temple is destroyed. Because missionaries and temples are build at random anything could happen, but generally, if one nation prospers and has their pops increase that means money to the church which means more missionaries and temples.>Is it safe to assume that you'll add more ways to interact with religion?Yes, I just don't know what yet, except maybe having moral authority which will result in the church being split in half unless, the ecumenical council is called by the state. And stuff like donating money to your church, so that they can spread faster.>I also don't see any point in having forts in any locations that aren't bordering other nationsThere are advantages to them, like every 5 silver you for them goes to the local economy, which helps them to upgrade their settlement and they will pay taxes even if unrest is over 50% (but they will storm the fort if it reaches 100%)
I'm redesigning the AI, it is becoming surprisingly complex.
>>641070Is the AI ever going to get the chance to build ships rather than buying them with this routing? It looks like it would just end up selling any wood it gets as soon as it gets it since it has to be low on gold to have a chance of getting wood in the first place.
>>641103Well, I have no added some impasses that result in felling.
0.0.8 is released, now you need them shipsI fixed the murderbug and the invalidation one, but I didn't come across the dead nations-bug, need some info about it, like did the nations have a non-fortified province as their capital, because that isn't supposed to happen.
>>641357the AI refuses to recruit knights
>>641357and the button for making the navies sally out dosent show
>>641679turns out this >>641070 AI plan was a mistake, I tried modifying it to make it be reasonable, but I AI is too prudent doesn't take enough risk. I think I'll do a third take, this time with phases like "attacking", "collecting", "defensive".>>641682You still assault coastal forts with the same assault button, the button isn't visible because you can't afford it, assault cost 200+FORT cost (which is at least 5), and you have 202 silver
>>641930Alright, i can assault forts now, but the AI is still gay and very defensive, you need to change that ASAPalso>they vote on what action to perform every turn (which will take 10 seconds) make it 20 seconds or 30 seconds because if you are gonna make a game like this you need more time to think and to coordinate not counting the possible newfags and retards that dont know how to play can really mess up a strategy
>>642038Huh huh, with now released 0.0.9 I has been rebuilding, it still fairly defensive, but it will store a ton of money and then launch an offensive.0.0.9 also adds pirates who buy old ships from trade league, and then pillage everybodyThe problem is that time goes on the number wood of wood begins to drop, as higher level settlments do not have forest, which means there is no way to assault coastal forts if that happens because they require ships....This just eh, I don't know maybe I should give the merchants free annual wood
how is it?
>>643655is what? The wood situation and AI? Yes, I resolved them with 0.1.0
To say me, I'm pretty happy with the 0.1.0, it took me an hour of the same to win. Late game seems to have scarsity of wood, which will be addressed.I cannot fathom how it is even possible to have knight 12-12-12
>>611051My kingdom is larping as Russia, it's literally a giant backwater without a fleet. Also, I've gone bankrupt like 3 or 4 times and my forts keep collapsing of neglect and rebuilt, so I assume this is basically the barbaric Russia equivalent against the several civilized theocracies and single monarchy.
>>644324Checked, I do have a fleet, btw, how do you use a fleet.
>>644326You need ships to assault coastal forts, you need to beat the other state's navyalso, if pirates have 10 ships they can attack your coastal forts and possible wreck your navy, and pirates will target the wealthiest coastal province so their visit will happen eventuallywith the 0.1.0 wood will become scarse towards late game because settlement will have less wood, so I suggest you store some amount of woodalso, ships will expire within 20 years, so, don't be surprised if when your ships disappear, they have either rotten away or been destroyed by pirates
>>644340I see. Does unrest do anything other than people don't give you money anymore, also how does religion work exactly, for example, what is the difference between a temple and a parish.
>>644402Also, the game is pretty fun for being si simple.
Guys, I really fucked up. I'm playing as red, and up until last turn I controlled the entire center region, including the provinces on 12, 20, 45. Then, out of nowhere, blue sneakily captured 17, but right as I liberated it, blue had already taken 15 which cut off over half my nation!I can't believe this happened, I knew it was theoretically possible for this to happen, but I never thought the AI would actually do it. I should've built a fort on 17, what a massive blunder. Now I know what the Hungarians felt like at the Treaty of Trianon...
>>644492To add on to my previous post, I think the AI is in a good spot now. In this same game Green went from being a shitty backwater to suddenly expanding like crazy after getting a 12 attack knight. Also, this may be a coincidence, but when I went to capture 5, 1, and 9 to reclaim my center territory, blue suddenly invaded 43 from green and built a fort there so that I couldn't cut them off anymore. This game has been pretty exciting so far.
>>644402>Does unrest do anything other than people don't give you money anymore, also how does religion work exactly, for exampleIf it is above 50% (and you are not a republic), it won't give you any unless let it cooldown. When it reaches 100%, 1 pop will die (if it has > 1 pop) and destroy a fort, reaching 100% will also lower unrest back to 50%. So, in longterm it is gonna be negative>also how does religion work exactly, for example, what is the difference between a temple and a parish.see >>641004>>644492AI doesn't actually search for those provinces, it just picks one at random, and occasionally it makes a semi-smart move.>>644523I think it could better, but I guess it is good if it offers some challenge. I think it is building too many forts, making the game drawn.>Also, this may be a coincidence, but when I went to capture 5, 1, and 9 to reclaim my center territory, blue suddenly invaded 43 from green and built a fort there so that I couldn't cut them off anymore.AI has a chance of securing its foothold by building a fort there next turn. In hindsight this is pretty dull, and I'll downgrading with 0.1.1 there will be three types of attack AI:>"Frankish" AIwho will attack on invadable provinces if possible and then build a fort there>"Mongol" AIwho will only assault fort, if has no possibilities to invade>"Arabic" AIwho will assault forts it it can which should make add some variety
>>644542I haven't played recently, but having your move invalidated is really annoying. Is it possible that you could change something to prevent that from being possible? With regards to turn order or processing? Or did you want that to be part of the game?
>>644591Because everybody cast their motion during the same time, some motions might always get invalidated, no matter in what order they are executed. And the everybody casting their votes the same time is something I want, because it gives this delayed reaction which indicates a lack of omnipresence which is often the case with strategy games.But I could make a backup action in case of invalidation, like collection taxes as a backup. Would it be preferable?
>>644642I think that would be a nicer result. Are you willing to share anything about how you programmed the game? Like how you made the map, or how the map is read into the program (if it is) and how it's processed? Playing your game got me back into programming a bit, so I started work on my own node mesh generator as a way to learn.
>>644649>Are you willing to share anything about how you programmed the game? Sure.>Like how you made the map, or how the map is read into the program (if it is) and how it's processed?I made the a vector map with Inkscape and saved it as html canvas, and then modified it to match provinces. In fact the map is made of several html canvas layers on top of each other, and clickability is achieved HTML object place on the top layer, with each object having their own id the click summmons a static function to select the province wit its id. The animated circles are themselves another object layer that utilizes CSS animations.>Playing your game got me back into programming a bit, so I started work on my own node mesh generator as a way to learn.Well that's nice.
>>611051you should post in >>>/vm/330953This is an interesting project.
>>644714and maybe /agdg/
>>644700Another question does religion affect anything other than taxes and liberations?
>>644700Hey dude, i have a suggestion for MP player coordination by adding battleplans to the game, maybe making every player have different colors and make it so that other nations cant see it and it is also transparent with the map
>>644700Also, will you add an ingame way to create new nations,ethnicities and religion along with the map maker? that would be really cool for scenario making and would also extend the game's lifespan quite a bit.
>>645434no, it doesn't even affect liberations (culture does), at the moment it only effects church tax, if you tax too much early your church can't afford to spread, and will instead by converted by other churches which means dimishing returns.I'm kinda lost on what I want to do with religion, maybe "holy invasion" for foreign tempe provinces of which the churches would pay half of the expense, and if succesful the infidel temple would be destroyed.>>645492Sounds a bit convoluted, I don't know.>>645496I don't really like the memeshit Paracuck games offer, but if I make a map editor, naturally it will have some type of editor related to the states.>would also extend the game's lifespan quite a bitI don't know what you would do with custom maps, I will only host one multiplayer server, which will have multiple maps.
>>645977when's the game coming out? >inb4 never
>>646267Well, as said here >>635537 the single-player is already outI don't know about multi, I try to make it content-rich enough first.
>>645977>Sounds a bit convoluted, I don't know.just let the players draw lines on a map
>>646570well that sounds easier
>>646298I do find it that eventually, the game turns very slow because of the wood shortage preventing you from winning sea sieges, I recommend a feature to "protect" areas from upgrading, like making them wood reserves or something. just a few.
0.1.1 release, it the biggest release thus far, and probably most radical, the four new minor nations should shake things up.>>646914true are right, which is why with 0.1.1, each settlement contributes much more wood, furthermore settlements actually get downgraded as result of raiding, so there will always be wood
>>646959Is there any diplomacy yet?
>>646959I still have to try this version, but the new nations idea seems very bad honestly
>>647733yeah the game feels kind of unbalanced, since you HAVE to take those costal forts, otherwise its a pain in the ass to deal with the other bigger nations, and they also constantly raid your provinces so you are forced to kill them.over all good update but this should be removed
>>647738But it's fun to start as one of the minor nations and claw your way up to the top.
>>647554I mean what would want from diplomacy? Does the ability to make 5-year non-aggression packs?>>647738I mean because the minor nations are so poor, they are unlikely to afford ships, which is the key reason why taking coastal fort is hard. Raiding is probably overpowered many settlements end up with 0 private silver towards end of the game, while fortified settlements end up hoarding shit on of wealth. I'm kinda afraid of meddling with it because it is a fun mechanic, but I could make it so raidable loot is only possible for the wealth which is 50×pop number, which youl would only be able raid wealthy provinces.
How does it feel red and yellow to be taken over by your own mutt abomination?
You really ought to add some way to finish games that have an already obvious winner. It starts getting annoying when I control all but a handful of provinces for hundreds of years but can't actually finish the game since the opponent can just focus on knights which give infinite protection since it's not exactly hard to get a knight with high defense and high prudence. Maybe you could either add a way to buy out an enemy province if you have a ton of gold, or make Knights less spammable somehow.
>>648601Playing as a minor nation is much easier than I thought.>>648938I mean I really want to give minor nation a chance to rebound, it annoys me how in UNKNOWN_STUDIO_OF_SWEDISH_ORIGIN games, bigger blobs always blob and never fall. For example in UNKNOWN_MEDIEVAL_SIMULATOR, all big empires will always have the most skilled courtiers.That being said I'm not quite happy with the knight system, I'm thinking the stats should be 50% nature and 50% gained. So, nature roll would only give knight skills from 1 to 6, and they could have a chance of gradually increasing it to 12, maybe after succesful operation, like if your knight leads 6 successful invasions his attack skill increases to 12, or alternatively it could increase as a result of their experiration rate, like if you have knight who is about to retire within 5-years, his skill only then increased to 12 (if his natural skill is 6). Which approach sounds better?>Maybe you could either add a way to buy out an enemy province if you have a ton of golBribing knights is a good, I could add "honor"-attributes which would impact how much their defection would cost.
>>612756I shall colonize these islands in the name of YELLOW!
>>648963>Which approach sounds better?I would probably prefer the expiration increase since a single knight probably isn't going to get many chances to experience multiple successful invasions. I do like the idea to bribe knights, that would really help with wrapping up the late game.
0.1.2 release, it is relatively minor, adding 8 more provinces was painful because I messed up layer order and had reset them>>649723Well, with 0.1.2, I'm running with the increasing them when knight battles are won, and bribing knight is now possible
How about randomized maps?
>>651137You mean completely randomly generated maps or where the starting provinces are different? Because one much easier.
>>651157maybe you could add a feature: if a province of a culture (for example Green culture) is occupied by an enemy culture (for example Yellow culture) if the province is occupied long enough (like 15 turns) the pops start emigrating to Green Provinces/Coloniesi think you should play with the concept of immigration, taxation and religious persecution because it would make interesting situation if for example some pops fled an enemy nation to fund a colony of their own, or if maybe their home nation taxes them to much they will emigrate to other nations.
>>655196I'm thinking about tying migration to wealth. Basically, if province's private silver is below population × 50, random pop will migrate a province with population above × 100.
>>655226maybe you could also make immigration to the center regions since they are almost always underpopulated
>>651157well, both, if possible, maybe
>>655226also remove the smaller nations they are a tumor and make the game unfun
>>655289You just need to use forts if you want the place to be less underpopulated.>>655326I like them, git gud.
>>655289Because the center region needs to be colonized it takes time for it to grow, and if it repeatedly changes owner it doesn't really have the opportunity to develop. If it is protected it should develop some population.>>655320No generated maps, there is where I draw the line. As I have said elsewhere, I would rather make a rich game with limited maps than a poor game with limitless maps.>>655326I rather not, I think they shake up things, like you have to make more strategic decisions, like if you prioritize getting rid of them, or just go past them.For the next patch I'm thinking about making the army movement bit less abstract, like you can't just invade or assault provinces, you need to rally an army first, after you have rallied army in a border province you can then move that army to invade or assault nearby province. And your assault fails or you don't use your army for a turn, your army dispurses.
>>655421>For the next patch I'm thinking about making the army movement bit less abstract, like you can't just invade or assault provinces, you need to rally an army first, after you have rallied army in a border province you can then move that army to invade or assault nearby province. And your assault fails or you don't use your army for a turn, your army dispurses.bad idea
>>655437because then invading becomes grindy, especially when you consider you will have to port this to multiplayerits fine as it is desu, a little bit arcady, but not too complex, like a browser game should be
>>655473I feel like it would make long-term attacks more tolerable like if you move you army to invade province A, and then next turn order it to attack province B, if your enemy orders the liberation of A and is able to make their move before, you without in-map armies, your move would get invalidated, but if your army is still in province A, and has a chance to repel the enemy liberation and then continue to B
>>655513The A.I dosent liberate that much since you nerfed it so i dont see why you should nerf it more
>>655609They don't do it because liberation has a cooldown, they can still pretty much repel invasion if they get to make their move first.Also, I'm considering making an alternative map, this time an asymmetric fantasy map with over 100 provinces.
>>655668Map looks good, but needs lakes and more islands. The biggest charm of the current map is the strategic center region which has the 4 provinces which connect it with the rest of the map, with the center region often changing hands due to the separation mechanic.Also the bigger islands + the sea invasion mechanic have made it so naval play is an actual thing, which is nice.So basically, strategic points = good.Also you could do mountains instead of lakes to represent non-province land if you want to add some variety visually.
>>644714I propose that we of /vst/ should ally ourselves with our brothers in /vm/
Okay, I don't like releasing small patches, but I feel like this time it might better to release it immediately rather wait until the end of the week.0.1.3 just adds a selection screen, in with three options:>standard>minorless without minor nations>randomizedThat should appease those who are annoyed by minor nations and those who want something bit different
>>656225maybe more minor nations?
I'm kind of torn about where I to take this development. I most certainly want to avoid making like Risk. On the other hand moving units might be fun. Some kinda non-roll based battle system would also be nice, I'm pretty happy with the ship-combat it pretty unpredictable but favours bigger numbers.
>>657485when do you think multiplayer gametesting will begin?
>>657485Can't help you here, but good luck, want to see where you take it.
>>657755Maybe next month. I think I have been able to create a fun little game, but it isn't nearly as complex as I want it to be. I believe complexity is important for replayability. I'm also not sure if I should keep the single-player around or nuke when multi is released.>>659787It would help, if I could get some opinions on systems I'm thinking about implementing before I take the time implement them, like:>subdvide year to four-season, each turn is a season, with each season different actions are available like during winter you can't invade>have each nation a head-state, and you will be able to select a consort for them, who will generate children, and when the guy dies, depending on the number of children and age+personality, there might be civil war>have a grain system, where all low-level settlements will sell grain to the higher settlements (and obtain silver by doing so), and if the there is buyer, the settlements would sell them to Trade League, which would sell them (with higher price) to the settlements who can't get enough grain, if settlement fails to get enoght grain, their pops will die, states can buy and store grain themselves>have a tech system, where players recruit philosophers and form universities to increase it, higher-tech level means access to better forts and quicker pop grow>have offmap powers who might in exchange of long-lasting loyalty and gifts, donate ships and silver back
>>660211>I'm also not sure if I should keep the single-player around or nuke when multi is released. Keep it, unless it does harm in some way/slows down development.
>>611051This reminds me of a 'game' I played when I was younger. Real Nations or something like that, basically a country and UN simulator online with a big RP community.
>>655668WAI many chokepoints turned out great
>>662324Okay, these borders should do it for alt map, drawing them borders is took a stupid amount of time, because I just couldn't decide.Ultimately I ended up with a setup where all 9 nations start with 11 provinces and there are 14 colonizable provinces.I'm also thinking about limiting naval invasion sto only certain ports.
>>665756Hah, I like how this thread is alone is keeping me going.Work on 0.4.0 is slower than usual because I'm implementing the stone system, in which random inland provinces will have a quarry, and in order to build a province the state needs to own at least one quarry, and the cost of building fort is based on the distance to the closest quarry. So building a fort in a quarry province will cost 80 silver, while building a fort in a province that is 5 provinces away from the quarry will cost 180 silver. This ought to give more strategic value, especially considering some of 4 major nations might to even start with a quarry province. The reason why is such pain is that I'm doing it with A*.I'm also doing prep work for 0.5.0 which will include the alternative map.
>>611051do a theocracy, monarchy, republic, and commune instead of doubling up.Some more interesting map layouts than ebin circles might be good.Maybe put in a bit more tactical depth? Can't have a /vst/ without unit types.
>>664111>>662324tried making the colours be a bit more distinctive, how's this?
>>668006>do a theocracy, monarchy, republic, and commune instead of doubling up.i'm not sure what you saying>>668006>Maybe put in a bit more tactical depth? Can't have a /vst/ without unit types.I mean the first step would be to give armies a presence in map, which I'm experimenting with the rally system.Additionally, I'm thinking "local nobility", which contribute a certain amount of cavalry to support your army, and those cavalries would fight similar to the ships.>>668027Thanks, yes that is better
how many maps does it have?
>>665803>>664111how big of a map can this handle? I've got an old pretty fantasy map with 9 nations I could repurpose to fit this, but it's pretty big.
>>668984I'm not OP, but I've been working on my own map "importer" that makes a game map from an image, so please post it regardless.
>>668861one symmetric thus far, the first irregular will be coming soon enought>>668984Province wise? Don't know, the advantage turn-based is each province will make each turn marginally longer, with 60 provinces turns to take no time, so I with 600 provinces they probably wouldn't take long eitherscale wise? I have been going with 800×600, it should also be noted that the map is using HTML canvas converted from SVG, so you should have SVG, not raster images. I also think every province should have at least 50×50 space to display things like labels.>>669149Well, that sounds interesting. I did my own raster convert in December, I never got it to work like I wanted to, drawing diagonal borders was a pain.
>>660211>subdvide year to four-season, each turn is a season, with each season different actions are available like during winter you can't invadeIdk, seems like an unnecessary increase in complexity without adding much.>have each nation a head-state, and you will be able to select a consort for them, who will generate children, and when the guy dies, depending on the number of children and age+personality, there might be civil warCould be interesting, you could have the leaders have different stats like with Knights. However it would reduce immersion if the system isn't different based on the government type you choose. >have a grain system, where all low-level settlements will sell grain to the higher settlements (and obtain silver by doing so), and if the there is buyer, the settlements would sell them to Trade League, which would sell them (with higher price) to the settlements who can't get enough grain, if settlement fails to get enoght grain, their pops will die, states can buy and store grain themselvesSeems interesting to me, so long as it doesn't use up too many of you actions managing it.>have a tech system, where players recruit philosophers and form universities to increase it, higher-tech level means access to better forts and quicker pop growI'm not sure about it, personally I'd rather not have to worry about technological development in a game just set in the Medieval age.>have offmap powers who might in exchange of long-lasting loyalty and gifts, donate ships and silver backCould be interesting.
Also one small thing worth adding for the sake of future maps would be naval colonizing, since theoretically an empty island with no connection to land would never be accessible otherwise.
>>670635>Idk, seems like an unnecessary increase in complexity without adding much.Think about it like this: if you invade during summer, it means your enemy can undo your conquest with liberation in autumn, but if you invade in autumn, it means your enemy can't liberate until spring, which means you have time to build a fort there during winter, which would make it difficult for the enemy to regain it.>>670635>Could be interesting, you could have the leaders have different stats like with Knights. However, it would reduce immersion if the system isn't different based on the government type you choose.Of course, I was thinking non-monarchies get old leaders who won't rule for long, and stuff like that.>>670652good point, should be limited to the same extent as sea invasions will, which is to the same sea tile connection
finally got 0.1.4 released, it isn't much... so much of the work is just setup for the alternative map for 0.1.5
>>673660I can't seem to do sea invasions in the new version, is the requirement different or is it a bug?
>>674099Right, there was a bug, which has now been hotifxed. While I was at it I also implemented the sea zone limit for naval invasions.Basically, in order to do a sea invasion you need to control a port within the same coast zone, all coast zones are 6 provinces and there are 8 of them, the province can be part of the same coast zone.In the picture, we see that Cyan Nation's has many targets for their sea invasions because their only province is part of two coast zones. Meanwhile, Green has access to two coast zones, but however, they cannot do sea invasions initially because their sea access only reaches to Lime and Cyan nation who both have a fort, if Green nation however can expand their sea range by conquering province that belongs to another coast zone region, for example, if they invaded Cyan, the control of #51 would grant them the ability to sea invade Blue's island (which are part of the same coast zone).
your map looks a lot like the Inner Sphere. are you sure this isn't secretly a Battletech game?
>>674581I'm not familiar with Battletech, the map itself is modified Age of Dubs map by GMhttps://archive.nyafuu.org/vst/thread/544852/#544852
>>674635>https://archive.nyafuu.org/vst/thread/544852/#544852cool thread, you should update how empires collapse, for example all minors and colonized land gets released like in the thread
keep up the good work
>>674754The idea of bringing back dead states when capital falls is interesting. But I'm not sure how I would determine which states get resurrected. Maybe kinda core-system?While working on new map I have painted myself on the corner. Under the new fort system, fort require access to quarries, but quarries , but quarries themselves only spawn in inland provinces, and the new map has islands with no access to the inland province, which that fonts won't be able to constructed.Which leaves two solutions:a) allow quarries to spawn in coastal provinces, I wouldn't want to do this because I'd like give inland provinces something that ports don't haveb) make it so that level 1 fort can be constructed with wood instead of stone
>>677109I strongly favor option b), since I am saddened by being unable to build forts on islands.
>>677109>But I'm not sure how I would determine which states get resurrected. Maybe kinda core-system?you look at the pops and if they are a majority you give them that province
Continuing work alternative map. I ended up making a tool that finds center coordinates for each province, which will save a lot of time. Province setup is done at the moment I'm setting up adjacents, which is a kinda slouch, I almost could automatize it, but I'm just afraid it is gonna end up with too many mistakes.Regardless it is looking pretty good, unless something comes up I believe I'll be able to release the new map by the end of the week.
Was finally able to load it, but it needs more adjustments.
>>681295Beginning to shape upThe name situation will be strange for a while, I wanted to make a name generator for coherent names, so that new names would generated every game, but it needs more work, so I will just using placeholder names.
Okay released 0.1.5, I guess it is good enough. This was a stupid amount of work, and I'm not gonna do another map for a while.Interestingly the northern nation, "Narasfea" seems to win every observation game. Not sure why, I guess the geography just favours them.I should probably start working towards the multiplayer hopefully I'll get something together by 0.2.0. I'm also thinking of making a scoreboard.
>>683647New version isn't working for me, regardless of which map or nation or action I choose, clicking the Propose Motion button does nothing.
>>686796Honestly, it would be more insightful if you could tell what could be improved?
>>611130>I completed that project within a day grew bored of itYou should open source it and let the community develop it.
Next, I'm gonna try to improve QoL, I feel like it might be a turn-off if people are confused about why certain buttons are disabled.>>690972Why? Any half-decent programmer can do the same.
>>691172tool tips are useful
won one gamehad funthanks op
>>692372Which stage? I haven't even tested if the player can win Bulzela, seems pretty hard, AI seems to be able to pull it off in some 1500 years.
>>692376Andubsia, without minors. Exploited AI going a few provinces deep into center territory and cutting it off several times up until another AI cut the first one off.Tried Bulzela, couldn't acquire money fast enough to meaningfully advance. I suppose, selling as much wood as you can at the start is important, because i couldn't sell any for a while. Also my first knight had 1 and 2 in atk-def and 12 in prudence, this rng hates me.
>>692376Not him, but I won it as Lechez, but actually conquering Lechez as a different nation is very difficult. I ran into a problem where if I invaded Lechez, all they had to do was liberate one province and suddenly they would take every province that I had that wasn't connected to the mainland. Also not being able to build forts on Lechez and other islands is a pain.I'd have to do more testing, but as far as I can tell it is practically unwinnable unless you start as Lechez.
The Terraists did nothing wrong. TERRA IS OUR MOTHER
>>692428Did you mean to post in the Logh thread on /a/?
>>692432yes, that is correct
>>692391Forest will recover within 25-years. Honestly, it isn't ideal, I want to model deforestation, but the current model essentially implies forest is allowed to regrow. Ideally there should be two actions, one where you only get 50% of the woods, but it will recover within 25-years, and other where you get 100% but the forest is permanently cut-off.Naturally, this would tie to the idea of other resources, but I'm not sure what I want to do it them. I want to include first and wool, the idea being that you would gain first from forest provinces and wool from deforested.Furs would be used to get better knights, like if you have no first, you will get knight with 0-6 pips, but for every fur you donate, you will get one additional pip.Even less idea about what to do with wool, I'm toying with the idea of that every 10-pops in the province would require 1 wool-unit from the state, otherwise every they would migrate to a foreign nation.>>>692398>they had to do was liberate one province and suddenly they would take every province that I had that wasn't connected to the mainland.That's strange, ports should not be affected by exclave prune. Didn't happen to me when I did it as Kureeth.>Also not being able to build forts on Lechez and other islands is a pain.I have meant to make fort lvl 1 constructible only with wood, should probably get to it. This does give me an additional idea of combining sea invasion and fort construction, into a new more expensive action which will immediately build a fort after sea invasion, by sacrificing 10-ships to be used as a building material.
Cool thread OP, looking forward to the multiplayer release, have you decided how turns will play out beyond the initial post? 10 seconds seem short to make proper decisions, especially as this game becomes more complex.
>>693325Yes, it has been come apparent that 30 seconds would be more ideal.A voting-based system with such a timer, does turn possible diplomatic interaction into an issue, like if a state proposes an alliance, what should happen? Should lose a turn to decide on this? Should they be forced to make two decisions? At the moment I'm towards a third option, which is to make most senior team player be the "steward" of the state, who alone is responsible for accepting or denying alliances.
>>693357A setting for time would be also nice, with different options.
0.1.6 release: https://fortune-for-the-princes.herokuapp.com/Mostly focus on making the player more information. Also, the fort rework and fur resource should add more strategy.
>>692649>That's strange, ports should not be affected by exclave prune. Didn't happen to me when I did it as Kureeth.I think I figured out the problem, it seems that it only effects Asznya because it is the only nation that has its capital inland. Try out a game with Asznya and you should experience it as well. I think I've noticed this before on the randomized map, where the enclave prune worked differently for nations with their capital being inland.
>>697112Okay, that has now been hotfixed (alongside two other minor things), it was interesting oversight.I'm curious, do you experiance pic related clipping?
>>697223I haven't experienced clipping at all, or any other graphical issues.
Thinking about the more advanced system.Instead of settlement autoupgrading, they can only be upgraded if city-charter is granted to them. And before that can be done the province must have been felled and converted to arable land.Arable land generates 3 grain (but consumes 1 of them) and those being equally distributed acorss the state, naturally higher settlement levels will consume more grain. When there is a deficit of grain, provinces will spend their own wealth to buy grain from the Trade League.States themselves can collect grain via the pre-established "collect tribute button", and during famine if there if trade league has no grain, state's grain will be used by their state has as the last resort.If province can't met their grain need percent relative to how much the province needs grain. For instance settlement lvl 3 requires 3 grain every year, but if they get 0, it means that 3/4 of the pops will starve.
>>698647would be cool if you implemented a method to starve your enemy out or maybe have famines
>>698647I'm looking forward to manual upgrading. I'd love to have more control over my provinces, especially considering how important it is becoming to have provinces of different types for furs, wood, and silver. Speaking of upgrading provinces, I have no idea how my capital hasn't upgraded at all, along with all my other inland provinces. Practically all my coastal provinces have upgraded at least once though, despite pirate raids stealing their silver. I thought wealth was how provinces upgraded, so how have my rich inland provinces not upgraded?
>>699722> I have no idea how my capital hasn't upgraded at all, along with all my other inland provinces. Practically all my coastal provinces have upgraded at least once though, despite pirate raids stealing their silverSo, this is something of an oversight, not a bug per se. Because fur becomes so important scarce in the end game, I wanted to make sure there is always fur.So I introduced to limits on upgrading:1. inland provinces require twice much wealth to upgrade as coastal ones2. only a pre-defined percentage of settlements can co-exist within a certain timeFor 113-provinces those limits are:30 1-level settlements15 2-level settlements7 3-level settlementThis means there will always be at least 52 levels 0 settlements who are stuck waiting that one level-1 tier province is either promoted or downgraded. Pirates raids themselves don't kill pops, so they don't have a chance demoting a settlement, but non-pirate pillaging and looting do.So, in your case, your capital is probably one of those late bloomers that are stuck to level-0 tier because there are already 30 1-level settlements.It isn't ideal that a single province is able to hoard that much silver, but I haven't really come up with a way to prevent that, maybe introducing a cap, but if there is a cap, what should happen silver that reinvested to the provinces if the cap is full? Well, maybe it will help when the provinces automatically trade with the trade league.
>>699839Ok, that explains a lot. Also all of that wealth being horded into one province was deliberate through me fully castling it from early on, and then never looting it, along with me concentrating wealth to my empire through getting my silver mainly through selling wood, pillaging, and looting my coastal provinces before pirates can steal their silver. I personally don't have an issue with being able to hoard wealth into a single province since looting it can easily undo the wealth disparity, but I suppose it could be interesting to have a mechanic that increases unrest in your poor provinces when you have high province wealth inequality. Or as you mentioned, the food system might make it less likely to happen.Also, this is a bit unrelated, but I've had a few games where I was playing a mainly coastal nation and I decided to try competing with the pirates so that they couldn't steal my silver. In order to do so I would have to hoard lots of wood and silver, and loot my non-fortified coastal provinces so that the pirates would just try to steal from the fortified provinces. Then I would start building ships once the pirates had a low amount, and assuming that I had high wealth fortified coastal provinces, the pirates would keep attacking them and I would hopefully have enough to defend. However, they would replenish ships very quickly, so keeping up with them ends up being very expensive. I remember occasionally needing to have over 50 ships just to defend from the pirates. Basically what I'm getting at here is that trying to defend your coastal provinces from the pirates is not really viable, since it is way more effective to just loot your own coastal provinces frequently to prevent the pirates from taking silver out of your empire's economy. So I guess my question would be, is it intended that defending coastal provinces from the pirates should be impractical, and that players should be discouraged from accumulating wealth in coastal provinces?
>>699887>So I guess my question would be, is it intended that defending coastal provinces from the pirates should be impractical, and that players should be discouraged from accumulating wealth in coastal provinces?No, it should be feasible. You need to understand how pirates get their ships, they get them the only way. They buy over 10-year-old ships from the Trade League (which builds them from the wood sold to them). The idea is that Trade League will always make its money back, the pirates will then use those ships to raid and use the obtained loot to buy more old ships (if available) from the Trade League, so it is a symbiotic relationship.To defeat pirates, you should either cut off their supply of ships (be that either controlling majority of woodlands and not selling wood to the Trade League), or buying the Trade League's ships before they sell them to the pirates. Or consistently beat them, because they don't have insurance on their ships, every ship you sink is a loss to them, and they will eventually run out of money if you gatekeep all the wealthiest coastal provinces, in which case they won't be able to hoard piles of silver to buy new ships.So, if they reach 50 ships, it is because they have been allowed to roam free. You aren't going to defeat them by waiting they have low ships, you should be more concerned with the silver they hold.
Glad do see it coming along well.