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The Campaign Trail is a browser game where you can simulate campaigns of 12 US presidential elections. I am starting a new run. Join me, /vst/.
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Choosing a spicy race.
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Let's see if Florida fucks me over
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This time, things will be different.
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Hmmm
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Well, focusing on Florida worked
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Haha, oh wow.
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>>485040
You did it, you pulled a reverse Bush
Praise the Electoral College
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>>485153
I also did a Nader run and fucked Gore up even more. I tried easy mode and proportional to see if it's even possible to force a deadlock or win as Nader but I'm guessing it isn't.
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don’t talk to me unless you won an electoral majority as Douglas in 1860
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>>485711
Some situations aren't even programmed in, I don't think it's actually possible for you to win outright as Wallace in 1968 for example
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>>485023
Would love to see this game have a sequel, or at least a revamp, it’s a good learning tool about the issues and candidates of the time.
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>>486267
Odd choices for elections, why 1988?
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How did they determine the effects of the answers to each question? Did they just take polling data from those years and picking the more popular answers gets you more votes?
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>>486301
Likely a combination of polling data and recent surveys pulled from Facebook.
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Fordbros...
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>>486369
Lol, got the same result. I have no idea about American politics
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>>485023
Oh shit I was just playing this a while ago off of some /vst/ fag's recommendation, I wonder if it was you
>>485701
I tried so many runs as George Wallace too to see if I could make anything happen as a third party but to no avail
>>486301
>Did they just take polling data from those years and picking the more popular answers gets you more votes?
It seems like they weigh how your candidate's 'base' electorate reacts to your choices, and also flip-flopping between questions is punished
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>>486369
>>486370
It's not that hard. Close, but definitely doable. This was an election where everyone was clamoring for stability in the wake of Vietnam, Watergate and the Oil Crisis, so you just have to plant your flag on moderate hill and stick to it.
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>>486514
Starting a Wallace run
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>>486571
Meh
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>>486575
It's a hard one
My best guess is going hard segregationist to take seg states but I couldn't pull it off
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>>486576
You can't deadlock it without a few upper South states, and you have to moderate for that
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How did I lose after that tank pic
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Bend over, MAGApedes, Clinton/Sanders coming through!
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>>486594
>Clinton/Sanders
What were the chances of Bernie accepting this
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>>486632
Given how easily he folded both times the DNC fucked him? Surprisingly high.
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>>486632
He would take it. Despite being reasonably successful in primaries it's always been more about pushing the Dems and the country towards his policies than becoming president.
Being offered the VP position is basically a win for him.
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why can't I call Obama a nigger
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>>486647
I'm gonna fucking destroy this cornball ass coon
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Have fun, anon. I'll just be over here seeing how hard Trump can throw the election.
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>>486632
High. The only reason she didn't do it IRL was pride.
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>>486660
>inb4 deliberately trying to piss off everyone and winning anyway
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I've gotten good luck with being tough with Clinton in past runs
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>>486650
I assume this is the correct choice regarding bringing paultards into the fold
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>>486669
That's the moderate option, number 2 is the full committal.
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>>486664
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>>486669
AAAAAAAAAAA I EVEN LOST NORTH CAROLINA, FUCK YOU NIGGER FUCK YOU AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>486678
GOP was a mess prior to the 2014 midterms
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>>486675
I still don't see this paying off for you Anon, Pence was foisted on Trump so he could get the evangelical vote
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>>486675
>>486681
>A literal bottom percentage result is still a 188
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>>486695
Not bad, slightly better than Trump did IRL.
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>>486679
Was able to peel off Florida, VA and a few others with a moderate campaign with Pawlenty as VP. Kind of funny because I went into it thinking Pawlenty would deliver me the upper Midwest, but didn't pick up anything there.
Anyway in conclusion, fuck Tea Party retards. Not sure what I did that actually differed from historical Romney besides not picking Paul Ryan, maybe I was more moderate on the economy and didn't hammer on muh job creators endlessly
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>>486704
Always felt like Romney IRL stumbled a lot. Whenever I did my runs as him in this game I always felt like it was the easiest possible race to win other than 1860. In hindsight I think picking Ryan was a massive mistake IRL.
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>>486202
According to the stats some people have won as Douglas, so I assume it's at least possible.
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Which election should I start with?
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>>486722
Whichever one interests you the most. It generally easier to win if you're familiar with the race though.
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>>486713
Yeah Paul Ryan sounds like a good choice from a basic on-paper description - young, but experienced and with political acumen in congress, views appealing to the demographics that the GOP thinks are its base, polled well. But no one really likes him. They paired 2 milquetoast RINOs and basically minimized the 'big tent' factor which is anathema to winning elections with a party that is shrinking like the GOP.
>>486722
Whichever one you know the most about or want to learn about. The biggest thing factor in the game is knowing about the issues of the time. I consider myself a pretty well-versed political historyfag and I was shocked going in by how little I actually knew about stuff like the XYZ affair and Lincoln-Douglas debate
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>>486725
>>486727
I manage to beat 1988 and 1948 as both candidates.
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Reminder that you can't win with Jessie Jackson in the 1988 election.
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>>485023
We did it boys. Nixons going to the White House early.
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>>486594
Ughh...what could've been.
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>>486664
Should I be siding with the fags or the Muslims?
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>>486727
I thought Ryan was their attempt at appealing to the Tea Party because he was sympathetic to that.
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Madam President with Madam Vice President
What should have been bros
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>>487001
I'm by no means an expert on the evolution of the "Tea Party" phenomenon, but I'm pretty sure by that point that the label was basically a giant meme that RINOs coopted
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>>487164
They couldn't have picked a Tea Party presidential candidate in 2012 anyway
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I think this is the lowest possible EC.
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>>487333
how many articles will I need to read to even understand what I'm supposed to be arguing for as William Jennings Bryan
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>>487354
Just get up on a stage and yell "Free silver!" over and over again.
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>>487354
Basically in the late 1800's the early progressive movement started in farming states in the US. Farmers had to take on heavy debt in order to purchase farms and the modern equipment to make them work. Farming is also an economy of scale, the bigger you are the more you make. The big farms were also able to negotiate with railroads, who had a natural monopoly over transport, in giving them lower rates while the small farmer got gouged.
This is wear Bryan and "free silver" comes in. Free Silver was an economic idea that by allowing silver currency on top of gold currency it would create such inflation that farmers could pay off their debts. Bryan made this fringe idea a core part of the Democratic platform with his "cross of gold" speech. Naturally this made any non-farmer hate him as massive inflation would kill their savings. Fighting against railroads is also a key part of your platform being the man of the people.
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>>487354
gold bad
silver good
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>>487418
kek
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>>487418
>>487354
Also, do NOT try and be progressive on the racial issue.
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I just got destroyed by Hillary, all probably because I picked Jeff Sessions as my running mate. I think this game overvalues VP picks. Historically they don't mean much, especially when Trump is at the top of the ballot.
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>>487595
>all probably because I picked Jeff Sessions as my running mate
not as full retard as Palin, but definitely a bad pick
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>>487610
>The worst VP pick is a woman
What did he mean by this?
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>>487703
She completely overshadowed a candidate who needed good moments to shine after following a massively unpopular president. She scared a country that hated Bush for being an airhead
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>>486632
Extremely likely considering his main goal was moving the far left / socialist further into the spot light of Burger politics.
Probably would have been good for Clinton and the rest of the corporate/center dems as it would have placated alot of the young socialist types, making the party look more united and "inclusive" as a whole compared to the GOP
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Haz anyone won, or even got remotely close as a third party/independent?
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Another attempt to get my EC as low as possible
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Vgh vvhat covld have been...
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>>486588
ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS NOT PUT ON THE DAMN HELMET.
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>>487964
I deadlocked the 1968 election with Wallace once. I am not too familiar with the politics of that era, I know that was what Wallace always set out to do but I really don't see how it would have helped him when the election was thrown to the House. Just hope that Nixon will fold and concede a bunch of policies to reverse segregation, I guess.
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>>488088
*desegregation
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>>488088
Yeah, things get... muddy if nobody takes home a clear majority. It's happened so few times in American history that only the people who actually read the Constitution have even the faintest idea how it works. Wallace's plan was essentially to cause a giant clusterfuck, then offer to resolve it in return for a couple favors, like, say, kicking the niggers back out of the schools.
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>>486727
I'm from wisconsin. Even here people don't really like him. He was often described to me as a bean counter by other people in the state, the guy you want when it comes down to budgets and cutting back on spending but not someone you really get excited about in the white house. I don't think anyone was even happy for him to be the speaker either, the attitude was just kinda whatever. It would have been huge for them to pull in the swing counties in Wisconsin, it could have pulled a Trump years before he did it, but Ryan just wasn't the guy to make that happen. He doesn't have enough charisma. Maybe if the election had been all about budgets or something.
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>>487001
That's probably the case, since he had a strong record on spending. But the white house isn't about spending, that's how you win local elections and house stuff. The white house needs a more mass appeal, which ryan never had.
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>>487425
Very good summary, to add a little context; in the past the US dollar (and most currencies) were backed up by gold reserves. This is what fort knox is, a place where the US government stores a fuckload of gold to back up the currency and ensure its worth what they say it is. Hypothetically, back in the day a person could exchange a US dollar for an equivalent value in gold. Bryan wanted to change that and back up the dollar with both silver and gold, which in the short term would mean massive inflation as the government bought up the needed metal. He was a legendary orator, this cannot be overstated, the kind that could actually give a speech and change a significant number of people's minds. He convinced people who actively opposed him to join his side with one speech level of good.

Ironically, today the US is on gold and silver anyway so in the end he won, just many many years later.
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>>488096
iirc it goes to the senate right? They just hold a normal vote and the winner is in.
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>>488124
>the guy you want when it comes down to budgets and cutting back on spending
This puts some things in perspective. I remember hearing a lot of talk about fiscal responsibility back then from the Republican side, but none if it terribly enthusiastic. Love him or hate him, neither side was really that concerned over the budgets Obama was passing compared to other issues. I guess they were trying to patch up the Tea Party rift in the party.
>>488135
The House of Representatives has a vote where each state's delegation casts a vote as a whole (so all the Reps from a state vote among themselves who the delegation will vote for), then the senate has a vote where each senator votes individually.
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>>488148
Furthermore, the House's vote is for the Presidency, while the Senate's is for the Vice Presidency, meaning that it is entirely possible for this scenario to produce a White House filled with opposing members, something that hasn't happened since Andrew Jackson started getting into fistfights with his VP. If Congress had been primed for that scenario, that's the kind of thing that people would be very willing to make concessions to avoid.
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>>488153
>it is entirely possible for this scenario to produce a White House filled with opposing members, something that hasn't happened since Andrew Jackson started getting into fistfights with his VP.
It's just not fucking fair that we didn't get this in this election. Everyone says "oh 2020 is so crazy coronavirus, what a terrible year, oh wow 2021 there's mass shootings this is even worse" but we haven't got the President/VP duo of Trump and Biden, or better yet, Trump and Bernie, beating the shit out of each other at every white house presser.
The country is going down the shitter so I just want to see these fucking geriatric shills we have running the place go at it before it all goes up in flames.
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>>488161
>ywn see Trump suplex Biden in the rose garden
why live?
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>>488148
Most midwestern republicans are just financial republicans. There's the usual round of psycho christians hiding in the backwoods and that one cult but nobody really likes them and they never get elected to anything other than state house at most.

Ryan was like the ultimate generic version of a financial republican with no real opinions though. The thing is when it gets right down to it, everyone knows nobody in government wants to cut spending. Maybe the local guys will, because its their own money, but the feds and the state governments aren't going to cut back because it means they have less power. So everyone here cared about cutting back spending, but realistically knew Ryan was at best gonna keep them from spending more, and that's about it. That's a hard thing to get excited about. Honestly I think trump won wisconsin more because of his business background than anything, people were genuinely excited about that.
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>>488153
>>488161
That would have been amazing. Does the sitting vp still break ties in the senate? And would it go off the incoming group or the existing one? If we had the incoming group with no tiebreak that would have been an absolute shitshow with the even split.
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what is the most meme campaign?
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>>489517
Michael Dukakis/Jesse Jackson
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>>488699
As a Midwesterner, every republican I know are just in it for the guns.
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VGH ...
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Post the cursest scenarios
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>>490158
How is it curse?
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>>490158
Does this count?
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>>488700
Incoming group, the vote is held after the new group's oaths are taken. With the crowd we got, it would have been Trump for president (because House vote is by state, and that leans red) and Biden for VP. If the Senate had somehow managed work itself into a tie, then Pence would have been the breaker, and voting himself into office would have been the most amazing salt generator in American history.
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>>490116
I don't get it.
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>>490268
I only managed to get 8 electoral votes because I had no clue what to answer
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>>490158
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Pander to the Reaganites and you almost can win in 1976.
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>>487354
You have to lose 3 separate times anon
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>>487333
I got 0 once with someone before a long time ago. A genuine candidate too not a meme candidate like Wallace. I just forget who
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Aw shit.
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>>486575
Look anon, I pulled it off with Thurmond as my VP. The keys to win are very simple:
1. Never waste an opportunity to bring up black crimes and looting.
2. Obviously, desegregation all the way.
3. Reject the Great Society.
4. Go full war-hawk, no half assed measures.
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>No 1972 scenario
He deserves another chance...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSNSVtFC-ZA
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>>490407
lmao what did you do
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>>491414
>He deserves another chance...
If he wanted another chance, he shouldn't have been a quitter.
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>>490870
>Brazile at first vehemently denied receiving or furnishing the Clinton campaign with any town hall questions and dismissed the Wikileaks organization as "these sad ass whipper leakers try to slow my groove".
why was she so based
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>>491219
Would there be an insurrection if not full blown civil war if that happen?
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>>491729
No, like every other crisis like this Nixon and Humphrey would just team up and shit on the South
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>>491219
>desegregation
What?
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>>490870
kek, this could be anything.
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>>491663
Said I wanted to get rid of social security.
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The 1912 scenario has the most potential.
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Yeah bitch, take that LBJ.
I named Rockefeller my running mate and struck a neutral tone on civil rights. Just left the democrats to stew in their own juice down there.
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>pick sanders
>don't act like a tryhard
>???
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>>492445
Post the map.
>>492540
Never understood why she lost.
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>>492104
>Debs
UGH
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>>492628
I don't have the map anymore but basically JFK won NYC, Indiana, and most of the South. Nixon had enough of the rest to win. Byrd won Mississippi.
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>>492628
>Never understood why she lost.
because she's an absolute harpy no one can stand, especially women her age bracket and above. I honestly think she mainly lost due mainly to social revulsion rather than policy reasons.
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>>492696
I basically clicked on all the options to avoid that impression of her to get this result >>492540 lel.
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>>492644
If you have Nelson Rockefeller as your mate you must double down on Civil Rights to get NY and Indiana. see pic related for proof.
>>492696
Is it wrong to say that we avoided the bullet?
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>>490158
Most likely the south get shit on.
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>>492739
Part 2.
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I played as Trump this time and basically apologised for everything and tried to be as normal as possible. I got obliterated but at least I won Ohio.
>>492734
That's an even better result, I beat JFK but he still had the popular vote.
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Do anyone know why the game link doesn't show the answers?
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>>492746
I'm pretty sure the developer hates Trump. How often are you bringing up Howard?
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>>492746
The only two things that I can think of don't debate him and and abandon the south and focus the north.
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>>491663
>Be Al Gore
>Answer like a Republican
>Only get DC
Lmao schizo Gore still gets over 50% of DC votes
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Old timey Americans didn't take too kindly to my platform of refusing to annex Texas, lowering tariffs, demanding all of Oregon from the British, and constantly flipflopping on slavery.
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>>492822
>demanding all of Oregon from the British
based & Vicky 2 pilled
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>>491675
>Being actively sabotaged by your own party
>Quitting
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>>485026
why do they describe Ralph Nader as a leftist? He is a consumer advocate.
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>>485031
Go with Option 2. Fuck the clintons.
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>>486571
why do they call him a villain for protecting his own people?
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>>492964
someone already did a schizo Gore playthrough
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>>492990
whats schizo?
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>>492994
Going against your own party/own policies
Usually ends with you getting btfo at election time
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>>493035
fuck the party, fuck the clintons, fuck the libtards
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>>490158
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>>493133
Who are you playing as?
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>>493135
Trump with Chris Christie as running mate. I tried to mostly do the same shit as trump irl.
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>>492445
I never understood why was paranoid let alone try to cheat.
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>>493147
LBJ openly bragged about cheating to win the 1948 senator election in Texas, he had iron balls.
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>>493147
>cheating
>implying he was doing anything everyone else in Washington wasn't
Nixon got dunked on the same as Trump. If the news today were three trusted channels like it was back then, we'd all hate Trump the way people did Nixon after his resignation, and if there were a growing new media and declining legacy media back then, Nixon wouldn't be so universally reviled.
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>>489985
Yeah that's about the only social issue people really care about here. You can have gays parade up and down the street and people will just shrug, but they also campaigned against hell and high water to make sure it would be legal for kids to get a license to hunt bear with adult supervision. Its kinda weird, but that's how it is.
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>>492445
Yeah I did the almost the same. Took Rockefeller and went full on civil rights as Nixon. Democrats won the south but that wasn't enough to beat the Dick.
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>>493262
Is it better or worst if Nixon won the 60 election?
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>>493276
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Jesse Jackson is just a curse.
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>>493371
What did you do?
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>>493378
Completely moderate and normal. Black voters didn't show.
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>>493371
>>493378
>>493387
Compare this to Gore as my VP and just acting as any standard late 80s liberal would.
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schizo Gore is canon
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>>493408
*gore starts drooling at the podium*
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>>493391
Is there RNG?
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>>493415
find another excuse Bush
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>>493391
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>>493414
Starting a schizo Gore run
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SCHIZO GORE
SCHIZO GORE
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Has anyone ever won as Nader? Ever?
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>>493436
DC just don't give a fuck
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>>493437
Apparently he wins 1% of the time if you take the player averages for anything.
>>493510
The lowest % any Democrat has won DC was Cater in 1980. He won it with 74.89%. DC would have gone for Trump had he won.
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>>493575
*Had he won the democratic nomination.
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>>490158
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>>493601
Has that ever happen?
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>>493624
Yeah, it famously happened in the 1824 election. Where Jackson won the most votes but the house gave it to Adams.
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Schizobama!
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uh oh
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And so ends the story of schizobama
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Can you do schizo republicans too or are they too insane to start with?
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>>493718
Schizo Romney
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>>491798
fight desegregation all the way*
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Its pretty fun watching the results come in and sneaking from behind when the EVs are so close. I won with Dukakis/Gore this time.
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>>494198
>>493421
>>493391
Can't stop the tank. Step aside Bush.
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>>485023
>so much popular vote as Douglas
>that electoral vote
burgers, explain your weird system
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>>494329
new jersey fucks love me
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>>494329
America is a big fucking country compared to European ones, and differences in the cultures and ways of life between states are often on similar levels to those between European countries. The Electoral College forces candidates to have a broad appeal across state lines; you could probably get similar numbers today by taking California and New York alone, but that doesn't make them indicative of the country as a whole.
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>>494406
>and differences in the cultures and ways of life between states are often on similar levels to those between European countries.
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>>493716
Is there ANYTHING that people can do to not make DC not vote Democrat?
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>>494329
Burgers have like 50% of their population living in ten cities while the rest is spread across the entire nation. The system is supposed to make sure that even the low population areas don't get ignored in politics.
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>>494432
people can do to make DC not vote Democrat*
Fuck my half-awake brain
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>>494406
This is originally why we had it
>>494433
This is functionally why we have it
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What do the difficulty levels affect? They don't say how they influence things but I can't win shit on Hard or Impossible
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>>494629
Having played a bunch of games since yesterday, I think the difficulty just affects luck.
There are some questions which have the same answer repeated three times, which I assume was the developer's rudimentary solution to creating "random chance" events. If so, then the questions you can answer must include a luck-based mechanism which itself could be affected by the selected difficulty.
Moreover it could also affect the election day itself.
Pure speculation though.
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>>494432
>>494434
A Republican president coming out in support of DC statehood. That's what it would take.
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>>490423
I’ve won this one before. You have to answer everything perfectly
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>>494410
You’re right, europoors are so homogenous that they’re really not comparable to the diversity found between American states.
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>>494432
Expel Jewry
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>>495014
Deseret stands proud
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>>492104
TAFT
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Teddy is also fine
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>>492104
DEBS DEBS DEBS
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>>494639
Difficulty affects how much a certain response can change your vote percentage.
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>>492104
what's happening in the grey counties?
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IT WAS HER TURN
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>>495940
No votes.
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>>496084
Did you still go with Kaine? It's really hard to win with him as VP. Compare it to picking Sanders, which is basically the easiest run you can do in the entire game.
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>>495011
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I finally won as Gore but the popular vote was narrow, plus Nader somehow got more votes.
However not only did I win Florida, I also won Arkansas, Missouri, and Gore's home state of Tennessee. It was fun seeing those pop blue.
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>>496789
Joe Lieberman as running mate even though I don't like him. Pretty much only hung out in Florida, giving moderate responses and praising the Clin-tons, with one visit to Wisconsin to roll out the "liberal" overtures. I let Gore say his piece on renewables but declined to publicly support the environmentalism agreement.
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>>494780
That probably wouldn't do it. It would put it into contention, at best, maybe. DC is overwhelmingly black, poor, and families are historically dem.
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Played as Hillary, mostly the same run as she did IRL but went to Wisconsin and FL. Still lost.
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>>496806
>declined to publicly support the environmentalism agreement.
Wait, you didn't support Kyoto and WON?
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TRUMAN DEFEATS DEWEY
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>>496984
I picked the option that indicated a "wait and see" attitude, rather than being explicitly for or against it. The adviser told me that it was a sensible choice because "even John Kerry voted against it."
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>>496995
VGH...
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>>496806
>Florida goes blue in 2000
ugh... imagine our lives now if he had won bros
>>496984
even serious Gore playthroughs need a little bit of that schizo magic
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>All the schizo Gore posting
I don't understand. Was Gore acting like a schizo during the 2000 election?

t. zoomer who wasn't born then
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>>497914
Mostly just a thread joke from someone who said they wanted to get rid of social security as Gore even though it was one of his central campaign promises historically to put it in a "lockbox" i.e. not touch it.
The most schizo thing Gore actually did was when he claimed to have invented the internet. This used to be a pretty widespread meme, and the claim does have a charming sort of schizoness to it. Gore would also audibly sigh into the mic in the debates when Bush was talking, and had a kind of weird stiff affect overall.
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>>497973
>The most schizo thing Gore actually did was when he claimed to have invented the internet
Kek, reminds me of when Gordon Brown claimed to have saved the world
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356 as Trump.
Has anyone gotten higher?
https://americanhistoryusa.com/campaign-trail/game/2256352
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>>497973
>Mostly just a thread joke
The way people were talking about it, I thought it was a running joke from before. I don't have anything against it, since I just felt like I was missing something.

>The most schizo thing Gore actually did was when he claimed to have invented the internet.
Based Gore
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Here's a 1988 Bush map
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>>498059
tankcucks seething
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>>498059
Based and Aitch Dubya-pilled
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>>498059
How'd you get that? Just promise to continue the Reagan legacy, or try to go more moderate?
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>>498119
Pretty moderate. I answered no amendment to ban abortions.
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>>498125
From what I've seen, the system seems to reward being moderate. Are there any non-meme elections where being moderate isn't the best choice?
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>>498259
>From what I've seen, the system seems to reward being moderate.
It might be due to plenty of these elections have special context and acting the moderate serves to present a level-headed approach, perhaps after a tumultuous or even traumatic period.
>1988
Acting the moderate could take the bitter edge off the Reagan years.
>2016
Literally just don't let the other person wind you up.
>1968
Arguably Nixon's "peace with honour" platform was moderate compared to expanding the Vietnam war/pulling all troops out. Nixon was sui generis on the matter of civil rights and all that jazz too.
>2000
Nothing traumatic about this one, but still acting the moderate could promise a continuation of Clinton's policies and not be tempted to appease liberals/conservatives.
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>Picked Bernie as running mate
>Toured all important swing states
>Crushed Trump on the economy and social issues
>Orange Man Really Bad towards women
>Orange Man Really Bad towards the enviroment
>Orange Man Really towards our allies
>Successfully deflected on the e-mail-thing and DNC rigging
>Crushed Trump in the TV-debate
>MIGApedes seethe
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How does visiting states worth? Are there diminishing returns, or can you just visit one state over and over to jack up your vote % there?
Also, I assume it matters how you answer questions given the state you're in?
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>>498319
how does visiting states work*
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>>498259
Generally speaking presidential candidates tend to benefit from being moderates. Its usually accepted that they get driven to the fringe during primaries to generate appeal in their own party and then go back to the middle in the general. That's why incumbents tend to have such an advantage, because they don't have to cater to the base as much and tend to avoid looking flip-floppy on issues as a result. The trick is to avoid going too far during the primary and alienating moderates during the general as a result.
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>>498305
what happens if you run on a complete Bernie bro platform?
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>>498059
It's time for Bush Jr. now
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>>498059
And here's the Dukakis map
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>>498357
Well, that is exactly what I did. That, and a constant attack on Trump's shenanigans instead of on his supporters.
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>>498305
VGH.... what could have been. Drumpfkiddies on suicide watch
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>>485023
>can't try to win as MacArthur in the 1948 election
that's a shame
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>>498894
go back to kaiserreich kiddo
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>>499487
kr a shit
I've loved MacArthur since Daiteikoku. and then read more about him. I played kr a single time solely to make him the American Caesar, then played hoi4 when they let me put him in power again. I'd love to try and win an election as him.
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>>499487
Has there been an HoI4 alt history mod where the point of divergence is Gore wins in 2000?
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anyone get a big fat 0 electoral votes yet?
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>>497973
>have invented the internet
I always wondered why pic related was the internet icon in CIV IV
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>>499848
Who got cheated more out of being president Gore or Nixon?
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>>499848
what's wild to me is that Dan Quayle is still referenced in score screen for Civ VI
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>>500027
The future will be better tomorrow!
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>>500027
Interesting how it's impossible to imagine them doing the same for Palin for Civ V, despite her being basically the same
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Okay OP, I'm running Polk Woodbury.
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I decided to just go with what I thought instead of trying to game it:
>reject central banking and independent treasury
>condemn slavery
>say we should annex Texas immediately but without starting a war with Mexico
>say Oregon is US clay
>say I may not like Joseph Smith but having a mob lynch him in Illinois is against American values (my advisors said I "shouldn't have given an opinion on this")
>result in pic
Apparently we were also braindead commies in 1844, honestly sort of expected it.
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>>500348
>decided to just go with what I thought instead of trying to game it:
This was your first mistake, even real politicians are basically gaming it most of the time
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>>500445
If it makes you feel better, I played Trump and got 325 electoral votes trying to smark it.
Curious how much harder the version they threw up to get clicks during the election is as Trump.
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>>492696
Well it's more that she's two faced as fuck, had negative charisma and to those who've seen her in the years before from her time as the wife of Senator Clinton she comes off as fake
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>>500463
That's what I mean
She comes off immediately as bitchy, add in a history of being shady and corrupt, and you have an eminently unlikable candidate
Especially put up against a candidate that has a reputation for speaking their mind in a very straightforward manner
I think she would have beat Romney, for instance, because he comes off in a similar way.
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>>500348
You would've won if you didn't mention Joseph Smith, the entire country loathed mormons back then.
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>>500473
I would have still lost, but yeah.
Too bad they don't treat rioters like this in present day.
The funny thing is, Joseph Smith for all his many faults actually was running on a platform that included liberation of all slaves and payment of reparations in the form of cash or land, back when that actually would have been actually correct and relevant.
Today I don't even think anyone knows that.
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>>487007
Is it possible to get anywhere with any of the third party candidates?
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>>499938
Nixon at least made a successful comeback and became president in '68. Gore not so much.
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Obongo btfo.
https://www.americanhistoryusa.com/campaign-trail/game/2264587
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>>494432
Absolutely nothing. George Wallace got 90% of black voters in Georgia when he ran for governor in 1982. Blacks will vote Democrat no matter what.
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>>499938
Gore objectively lost Florida and was not ahead of Bush at any point.
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>>501083
He ran for goverrnor for Alabama retard.
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>>499763
It's possible as JFK
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>>501159
And your point is?
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>>501227
My point is you're retarded.
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>>501232
Because I wrote the wrong state? Did George Wallace not get 90% of black votes in Alabama in 1982?
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>>501237
He did retard.
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He didn't invent the internet for you retards to have such a dumb argument
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>>501159
>>501232
>>501246
If you agree with him, why call him a retard? Fucking retard
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>>504237
You can do something right and still be retarded. Even the autistic know how to breathe.
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>>501096
He only lost because South Florida ballots were confusing and polling stations were manned by the geriatric who didn't know what to do
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Fucking hell RIP Hillary Clinton.
I guess just continuously insulting your while picking a black VP just works.
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>>504587
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>>504297
He also could have run a better campaign and won any of the other states that flipped to Bush in order to win the election.
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>>504587
>>504589
How did you manage a win with Carson? I've never managed to win as Trump with anyone but Pence, every other pick is completely overshadowing in a McCain-Palin sort of way.
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>>506219
Ive won the highest with Chrissie lol
https://www.americanhistoryusa.com/campaign-trail/game/2278077
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>>508802
>Chris Christie vores the United States
based
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>>508807
epic, still lost VA with less than 100K difference. No matter what I do I can't win there.
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https://www.americanhistoryusa.com/campaign-trail/game/2278094
god damn, so close.
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>>504297
>South Florida ballots were confusing
Al Gore lost because of chad
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Running a Wallace/Thurmond campaign
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>>509971
Did not end well, I think that Texas is a mistake to focus on
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its really hard to win campaigns you weren't alive for. I won as Trump easily by sticking to libertarian and anti-immigration talking points with some economic populism thrown in but got smashed as daddy Bush trying going aggressive against Dukakis any subtly tying himself to Reagan. I blame Bob Dole...
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>>509978
Dukakis was the second-worst candidate Democrats ran in the last 80+ years, Anon. It's really not that hard to win as HW, people weren't as "ready to move on from Reagan" as you'd think.
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>>509980
I just had no idea about the issues and culture of the time. How was I supposed to know saying bestiality on live TV in the 80s was bad?
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>>493210
I figured Carson might make a good Trump VP in the 'How can I be racist if my VP is black' sort of way. Black men are anything but liberal on the whole.
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Rubio seems like he'd be a good VP for McCain. Lets see....

Also, how tf isn't their a 1992 election?
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Do you have to craft each response based on the state you are visiting or do your answers have the same weight everywhere?
I'm just spamming Florida and Texas all the time.
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Goddamnit Rubio
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>>510002
Your responses will impact every state but the one you're in will be impacted more.
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>>509996
Unironically not a bad idea. I've always felt carson would have done more than pence to shore up Trump's main weaknesses, although maybe those weaknesses weren't obvious when he picked Pence during the primaries. It really would have insulated him from the racism stuff a little better and if you're gonna flip any blacks it'll be men. I guess hindsight is 2020 though.
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>>500977
ship him back to africa
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>>510050
Not only black men, but black evangelicals/christians in general. Carson would have been a quite neat tool to steal half a percentage in the popular vote from the Dems through the board, perhaps to the point even more swing states are flipped.
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>>510050
>>510688
Maybe they were afraid of Carson going sleepymode and saying embarrassing things?
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>>510688
Had he done better with the black vote he probably would have pulled Minnesota and New Hampshire.
>>510789
They didn't go with Carson for a few reasons. Trump wanted to shore up the Evangelical base as much as he could. He also wanted to show the Republican party that he wouldn't just destroy them. Pence fulfilled both of these objectives.
Carson was a bit of an outsider, well respected in the black community, but an outsider. And Trump had attacked him repeatedly and harshly on the campaign.
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>>486687
you can tell liberal tranny cockroaches coded this game
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>>510006
I tried winning with Rubio multiple times and wasn't able to, I'm sure there's a way but he definitely seems like a bad pick
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>picked Carson
>praised him as the outsider he is
>attacked Hillary constantly on E-mails and DNC riggings
>apologized for nothing
>what about Clinton's E-mails?
>DRAIN THE SWAMP! MAGA 2016 2020 2024 2028 MAGA FORVER!
>the FBI clearly sucked
>toured the swing states
>crushed Clinton in the TV-debate
>"they sat 11 years on the grab-them-by-the-pussy-thing and NOW they release it? Fuck you!"
>"Berniebros, you got shafted, but I got your back! NO cuts on social spending! MAGA 2016!"
>spent the last days in the rust belt
>redditors seethe
>s*ifags seethe
>antifa seethe
>libtards seethe
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>>510971
just know that if hillary wasn't retarded (tall order I know) and picked Bernie as VP none of what you did would matter
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>>511007
>Hillary
>not making retarded choices
Kek
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>>510895
I know its so strange; I would have assumed he'd be one of the better picks given his Hispanic heritage, relative youth, and good looks.
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>>510811
He had no realistic chance in minnesota. Pulling any black votes would have been much more meaningful in milwaukee, where he lost wisconsin.

I forgot about the primaries. They seemed to sweep that under the rug pretty quickly though and to be fair Trump was on offense against everyone in the primaries. I guess that did alienate him from picking any of them though. I can see shoring up the evangelicals, but candidly I think they were in the bag already given there was a supreme court seat up for grabs after the election. They were turning out for the first real shot at making roe v wade progress in forever no matter what. I might be mixing up my timelines though, I believe trump had already picked pence by the time the seat opened up? Either way, the same is true of the mainstream repubs. They weren't going to get cold feet with a court seat on the line, not when '16 was already a high stakes election.
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>>511786
He almost did win Minnesota though.
And yeah the primaries show Trump wasn't the main guy for evangelicals. They're the reason he lost Iowa.
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>>511626
I don't know if it's based on public opinion polling about Rubio from back then, or if it's because he is considered Tea Party and doing anything smacking of Tea Party seems to lose you the election as Romney
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>>510895
I've won the largest percentage with Rubio, perhaps it is your fault
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>>513176
did you run as a moderate?
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>>494432
Drive the blacks into the Chesapeake Bay.
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>>512264
I meant 2020 sorry. He might have done it in 2016, but the gap in 20 was much larger.
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How would you win as Trump in a 2020 scenario?
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>>514264
$2,000 check.
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>>514264
Trump's biggest problem was his personality, I think. If he spent less time trying to mindlessly attack and instead focused on building his administration up, especially in the debates, he would have performed a lot better. I think a lot of people were turned off by his performance in the first debate - I think his refusal to condemn white supremacy, even if it was a loaded question, hurt him a lot with more affluent voters. People in my university screeched on end because of that.
Encourage mail-in voting rather than complain about how troublesome it is. Most notably, Trump lost Pennsylvania/Georgia because of mail-in voting.
Otherwise, I think he had a decent shot at winning - a lot of the major states that carried Biden were won by a small margin of 20-30K.
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>>514056
That's true it wouldn't have helped in 2020. I am still amazed though how close he got to winning despite a recession.
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>>514374
Push harder on the checks and tone down the rhetoric. I honestly think he lost after that shit first debate.
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>>514264
In a world where the coof doesn't happen
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>>514264
You charge the DP with high treason and shoot them in South Lawn
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>>513279
kinda
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>>514264
Push everything into getting the vaccine out as much as possible, and focus on the suburbs I lost in 2018. I can't be blinded by my base and rallies, that's not what wins an election. Actually hire people who will tell me the truth and not just yesmen.
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>>514264
Who would the potential VP picks besides Pence be in 2020? I remember media speculation about how Trump was considering ditching Pence for one reason or another
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>>514264
>Encourage mask wearing, listen to Fauci for the most part
>Absolutely hammer Biden on his unfitness to be president, his hypocrisy, his sexism, racism, bad relationship with Harris etc while championing Republican women (maybe even pick Noem for VP)
>Largely ignore the confusing Hunter Biden story
>Use George Floyd to talk about how Democrats have failed black America
>Speak of ending lockdowns in a "get people back to work" way and not "LIBERATE MICHIGAN"
>Viciously reject white supremacy at every turn, even when not brought up by Democrats
>Stay on script in the first debate
>Push mail in voting hard
>After the election, have a go team of top tier election lawyers ready and fire Guiliani
It's a hard scenario but it could be done. I think if/when it comes out it will be a Dukakis 1988 or Ford 1976 tier scenario.
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>>514541
>Absolutely hammer Biden on his unfitness to be president, his hypocrisy, his sexism, racism, bad relationship with Harris etc while championing Republican women (maybe even pick Noem for VP)
This, Biden wouldn't have been able to effectively respond to anything that actually brings up his record (which looks really bad for him). Substantial things like that just didn't seem to get brought up. And regarding the women thing I think even something like Romney's "Binders full of women" comment wouldn't have hurt Trump because people are used to his weird phrasing.
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>>504913
I focused on blaming the dems for the failures in black america
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>>514551
Trump fell for the Hunter Biden story being 2020's version of Hillary's emails, but it didn't work. The Hunter Biden story is too complicated to be a punchy talking point, plus you always have the fact that his own kids benefitted from nepotism/deep down many people would have done the same.
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>>514562
>The Hunter Biden story is too complicated to be a punchy talking point
I remember being viscerally frustrated at his campaign for bringing up the Hunter laptop shit and making it a talking point, and then....nothing else really. As you say definitely had too much going on with it to be immediately effective.
If they had run with it to say "Biden is selling favors to the CCP and is therefore compromised" and hammered that home, it could have been something.
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How the fuck do you win in 1916? Why the fuck did a sitting SCOTUS justice decide to resign to run?
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>>514541
>I think if/when it comes out it will be a Dukakis 1988 or Ford 1976 tier scenario
I wonder if there will be full sicko mode options where you for instance openly praise the proud boys, or if what Trump actually did will be the most radical you can go
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>>514569
Be anti-war to get the the Midwest and focus on California. Dude lost California by like 4k votes in reality and that's what cost him the election
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Is it just me or is it easier to win with Papa Bush with Dan Quayle as your running mate than any other VPs?
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>>514374
He did kinda sorta condemn it, but he rambled his ass off and circled around it like he always does so it got lost in the shuffle. He never had a moment where he said, "I condemn white supremacy," and that's the soundbite he needed.

I agree his personality screwed him. He needed to be a bit more presidential if that makes sense. I don't think he ever had a chance at building up his administration because people kept leaving it. Unironically I think that hurt him more than almost anything else, because when you constantly have people leaving the white house of all places it just looks bad. He needed to either pick better people or just find ways to shuffle them around better and avoid the constant wheel of visible staffers noping out.

Idk about pushing mail ins, but I do think it was the wrong battle to pick. He should have made it about how he wanted to do stimulus stuff but couldnt because dems. It would fit his attack always style and give him something tangible to actually go after. He should have made the election about dems as a whole instead of about biden, because biden was literally picked due to how bland he is.

>>514480
Checks were something he should have pushed much more on. It was the only thing people were really mad at the dems for, particularly since pelosi was blatantly holding it hostage for the election.
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>>514264
Refuse to visit any of the states due to covid restrictions and then never advance after confirming my running mate.
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>>514541
Unironically this. As far as the Fauci stuff goes, just stay the fuck out of his way. He should never have commented on anything corona related and just constantly said Fauci is the expert, talk to him. Anything goes wrong immediately blame Fauci and fire him if its bad enough or just brush it off as, "Unprecedented times, can't get everything right even if you're the expert." Dems can't really attack him for that, because that's what everyone wanted him to do. Anytime he talked about opening things up it should have been phrased very much as a, "hope we can but its up to experts and the states."

Hitting biden would have been a good move, but I think people just like the fact that he has no real personality after 4 years of trump. You would have had to focus more on the substantive stuff.

>>514562
The email story is dumb. Its good to bring up his son being a druggie. Its not worth it to pretend that the druggie had some worse secret in the closet, because who cares at that point? Its like an actress doing a topless scene after her nudes leak, the cat is kinda out of the bag by that point.
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>>514264
Handle the pandemic somewhat competently.
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>>485023
>no 1912 election
Just let me be Debs. I can't even play Wallace in 1948.
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>>514826
>He did kinda sorta condemn it, but he rambled his ass off and circled around it like he always does so it got lost in the shuffle.
He didn't really do that in the debates, since his main soundbite in the first one was "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by." He tried to use the White Supremacy topic to get Biden to condemn Antifa, but that failed (though I do think the media let Biden off for refusing to condemn Antifa because "it's an idea, not an organization").

>I agree his personality screwed him. He needed to be a bit more presidential if that makes sense.
I think that's something everyone can agree on. Even in 2016, he wasn't particularly "presidential," but that was also his appeal. He just had to find away to keep the Trump charm while minimizing cases that would create a backlash.

>I do think it was the wrong battle to pick
At minimum, it contributed to the Georgia election outcomes and proved the basis for the "stolen election" claims, which didn't work at doing much outside of electrifying the Trump base post-election.

>He should have made the election about dems as a whole instead of about biden, because biden was literally picked due to how bland he is.
He tried here and there, especially with the whole "woke mob" and "antifa" arguments. The main problem was that Biden never explicitly said that he supported those arguments and tried to avoid painting himself as a partisan, even though he is/became one.

>>514831
>Hitting biden would have been a good move, but I think people just like the fact that he has no real personality after 4 years of trump
I think Biden has a personality, but he just downplayed it to make him look better compared to Trump as the established, dignified candidate to Trump's chaos and arrogance. I think Harris would have been more of a weak spot than Biden, since she comes across as very slimy and her main characteristic that's played up is the fact that she's a Black, Asian-American woman.
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>>516351
The problem with Trump was that he was very bad at just laying down the hammer, everything had to be done with tongue in cheek. It hurt him during the Korean Missile Crisis, when instead of just saying "fuck around and find out", he had to make dick measuring jokes. It hurt him in January 6, when instead of saying "no, knock that shit off, I am not going to preside over the start of a civil war", he had to go "we love you, you're very special, please go home."
Whenever the time came that he really had to just be the iron fist, he would always try to smooth it over with humor, and he really shouldn't have.
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>>516351
iirc he said something like, "I'll condemn whatever you want me to condemn, what do you want me to say?" He should have just said, "Yep, I condemn it," instead of waffling.

I don't know if he could ever pull off presidential all the way, but he really had to lay off being a foot in the mouth guy all the damn time. I think he could have pulled off a presidential sort of straight talking non-political type of thing if he'd played up his lack of experience and blamed that for his gaffes.

The stolen election thing is just so pointless. Trump will get the nom in 2024 if he wants it as a result, and yet nobody is going to vote for him in the general unless biden fucks up majorly or the recession from the pandemic continues too long. Plus even if it had been stolen you would need watergate tier evidence or more at minimum and that's just not there.

I think he could have tried more to tie biden to the dems as a whole. Pelosi is still unpopular and the dems did mostly lose ground in the house while gaining less in the senate than expected.

Biden just kept hammering the whole unity president thing which was kinda transparently not true, and I think that was trumps opportunity for attack. He should have harped on the fact that a unity president would be condemning political maneuvering during the crisis and attacked kamala much more, people are still worried biden will die and she'll be in office in the same way they were afraid of mccain and palin. But biden did a good job of just minimizing his personality yeah, he stayed mostly on message as the boring return to normal guy and just let trump hang himself.
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>>517148
>people are still worried biden will die and she'll be in office
This would be absolutely hilarious and there's a decent chance of it actually happening
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>>517458
I work at a university where literally everyone is as solidly dem as you can get and they all dislike kamala. Her prosecutor background and transparent, "I'm a black woman and nothing else!" message really put people off. Every single person supported biden and wished he'd picked someone else. They were legitimately worried long term because they think she will get the nom by default in 4-8 years depending on biden's health or the office if he dies.
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>>518488
Truly woke and extremely online liberals dislike Kamala, but honestly the kind of suburban winemoms who were the crux of Biden's strategy were legitimately excited by the notion of voting for the first black female VP. That being said I don't think it really mattered, and Kamala's instincts are absolutely horrible and would lead to a Hillary 2.0 if she were ever granted real authority over a presidential campaign.
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>>518488
I could see that. It doesn't help that Harris isn't particularly progressive and had no policy draws - if I wanted to support a center-left but still progressive candidate, I thought Booker or Yang had much better appeal. Of course, most full-on progressives would probably support Bernie over either of those two.

>>518685
>Kamala's instincts are absolutely horrible and would lead to a Hillary 2.0 if she were ever granted real authority over a presidential campaign
She already showed that kind of stuff in the VP debate against Pence, and was just lucky that the fly took up all the attention. Lecturing Pence on "Honest Abe doing the right thing" after telling him not to lecture her and trying to seem relatable without having anything relatable ("it was a Zoom(!) call") just made her look annoying.
I also just can't see her getting a devoted following like Bernie or Trump, since her main appeal is "first black female" - it's a horrible branding for a long campaign, though it makes for a good token VP pick.
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>>518685
People really don't like her. She did poor in the primaries because she couldn't even get blacks to vote for her and her record is very bad for a person with long term political ambition. She might have gotten people excited over black female vp, but that makes it less of a draw when you get to the presidency in 4 years and makes it harder for her to lean on her femaleness in future elections. I think she will be the next hillary, and will try to run on just being a black woman and get destroyed for it at some point in a presidential election.

>>518726
She got schooled in that debate, even my very dem colleagues said that. A lot of people said she came across as a massive bitch, and that was the more polite stuff people said. And like you said it doesn't help that she has basically no policy positions. She wants to be the black female candidate but that's hard when her background is as a prosecutor who made her career putting away non-violent blacks for long sentences.
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>>519002
>black female vp
Didn't you get the memo?
She's Asian now
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>>520180
Lol yeah sorry forgot. But that's part of why people hate her, she seems to just flip flop to whatever makes her most popular and its transparent af.
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>>524500
We genuinely would have been better off as a country had he won, it's really remarkable
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>>520180
it's almost like someone can be both black and asian.
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Has anyone beaten Bush as Gore on impossible mode? Feels like its not even possible.
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>>524857
its impossible actually
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>>524833
a mutt
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>>524833
Dios mio...
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>>524833
I don't think that's really the problem. The problem is more that she's transparently been using her blackness for political gain, and when it became convenient threw asian into the mix too. Most people really aren't upset about her being one thing or another, but its grating to see it so blatantly played for political gain and nothing else. Its kinda like when she claimed to have smoked a joint in college while listening to a song that hadn't come out yet in a place she wasn't at during the time she said it happened, it just seems like transparent ploys to get in with certain groups based on superficial characteristics.
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>>525737
>Its kinda like when she claimed to have smoked a joint in college
Not sure if this was the same joint smoking anecdote, but I remember her saying "of course I've smoked weed, I'm half Jamaican!", and her own father came out and condemned her for stereotyping Jamaicans
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>>526027
I think that was related yeah. Kamala seems to play the race card in the most obtuse and offensive way a lot of the time.
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>>524630
All of the losing candidates are better in this game, prove me fucking wrong
>President Clay: Tex*s and California never become part of the US
>President Douglas: A compromise is achieved on slavery, eventually leading to its gradual abolishment without bloodshed
>President Bryan: He was right about everything
>President Hughes: No income tax
>President Dewey: Takes off the mask after winning the election and purges the USSR sympathizers and spies
>President Nixon (1960): Won't fuck up literally everything like the gigolo drug-addict who won did
>President Humphrey: Achieves peace in Vietnam earlier than Nixon did
>President Ford: Doesn't bungle the hostage crisis
>President Dukakis: Letting even one Bush anywhere near the presidency was a fatal error
>President Gore: See above
>President Romney: Lets Republicans harmlessly vent some steam after 4 years of Obama, meaning Trump never wins a Republican primary
>President Clinton: "She's not Trump" was always the only legitimate reason to vote for her, but it's a good reason
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>>526761
>Clinton
You know, because starting WW3 over "hurr durr you can't fly planes over Syria" is best timeline.
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based op
i hope (You) can stop the steal and save america from the demonrats
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The fuck did I do wrong?
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Fucking Hell.
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I think I might have made a mistake or two.
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>>490423
how the fuck are you supposed to respond to the Betty Ford comments as Gerald Ford? And which states should you do campaign in? Ohio keeps cucking me
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>>527365
"She's my wife."
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>>487963
>haha he actually didn't want to win
Bernout cope
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>>486594
>Getting Joe Biden 2.0 in 2016
This country would be dead by now.
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>>527691
At least Hillary would have a functioning mind and not be a vegetable puppet surrounded by neocon warhawks and Jews with a military that seems to be acting entirely on its own
Man, the "Biden" administration really has the worst of the Democratic party and the Republican party merged together into one clusterfuck
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>>526761
It might have taken some time, but california and texas were always joining. California because of the gold, there's no universe where the us stays away from it once that's discovered. Texas because everyone in it was american and wanted to join aside from the effectively second class citizens.
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>>494329
I'll guess if's along the same lines as the original 1860 election in this case, and Lincoln solidly won every state in the region where he concentrated all of his votes.

1860 is one of the weirdest elections in US history, if not the weirdest, because it consisted of four regional parties and somehow a dude actually won national office with it. (The electoral college needs an actual majority, not a plurality, or the Congress will elect the President out of the top 3 candidates in the EC.)

More precisely, since you played the weirdest election ever, it reflects oddly on the regional vote where you ran. Douglas is the Northern Democrat candidate, so he won maybe one state (I'm guessing Missouri.) and the rest of his PV share reflects that you got a 40% share of the EC vote.

Even if you don't win outright like Lincoln did in your scenario, I'm pretty sure CT regards any tie (no EC majority) as a loss.
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>>486594
Is this 2016a or the main 2016 scenario?
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>>528250
It was the main, no clue if that made it easier or harder, the last 3 months of that campaign were such a clusterfuck.
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>>528327
2016a is easier for Hillary and 2016 is easier for Trump; they're based on different predictions of the outcome, with 2016 being hindsight.
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Nixonbros...is he losing it?
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>>528916
Nah, the dev of this game is just really lazy. This is a long-standing bug, alongside several others, like Joe Biden making gaffes when Hillary is the VP nominee in 2012, etc.
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>>499632
Most PODs are actually awhile before the big change for these althist mods, so no. MD lets you start in 2000 and make Gore/Nader win though.
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>>528916
>Win 1968 because I apparently infiltrated both the Nixon and Wallace campaigns
>Nobody will ever find out
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Finally got it.
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Won Montana by 6 fucking votes.
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>>529342
Sorry anon your term will now lead to endless bitching about how electoral votes are assigned and has destroyed America, try again
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>>529337
>>529342
>Bush won the popular vote
kek
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>>529337
more like duKAKU
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This is one of the least retarded American politics-related threads I've ever seen on 4chan, good job /vst/
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>>526761
>I want income tax, no income tax, and raised income taxes.
You literally make no sense.
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>>492957
Because Nader literally ran as a candidate for a far-left third party in 2000

Though the CT is way too bitchy about how you need to be ultra-far-left to succeed as Nader.
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I think this is the only election where winning is harder as the IRL winner.
>>530189
Slow boards are the best boards.
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>>530215
Came down to less than 5k votes.
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>>526761
Brainlet contrarianism at its finest.
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>>530214
Playing Nader as a far-right candidate gets him exactly 0 votes lel
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>>528984
>MD lets you start in 2000 and make Gore/Nader win though.
>Nader
how the fuck does Nader win outright in any possible scenario
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>>530346
If you go far-left as Wallace you win, so you'd assume that works.

As Nader, I have idea.
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Have some Dan Quayle quotes in case you were wondering why he was such a terrible pick.
>This President is going to lead us out of this recovery.
>Bank failures are caused by depositors who don’t deposit enough money to cover losses due to mismanagement.
>We’re going to have the best-educated American people in the world.
>We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe.
>I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix.
>It’s wonderful to be here in the great state of Chicago.
>Mars is essentially in the same orbit . . . Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe.
>The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation’s history. I mean in this century’s history. But we all lived in this century. I didn’t live in this century.
>Republicans have been accused of abandoning the poor. It’s the other way around. They never vote for us
>Votes are like trees, if you are trying to build a forest. If you have more trees than you have forests, then at that point the pollsters will probably say you will win.
>People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history.
>It’s time for the human race to enter the solar system.
>What a waste it is to lose one’s mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is.
>Illegitimacy is something we should talk about in terms of not having it.
>It’s rural America. It’s where I came from. We always refer to ourselves as real America. Rural America, real America, real, real, America.
>We will move forward, we will move upward, and yes, we will move onward.
>The future will be better tomorrow.
>I stand by all the misstatements that I’ve made.
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>>531203
>Bank failures are caused by depositors who don’t deposit enough money to cover losses due to mismanagement.
This is clownworld-tier.
>The future will be better tomorrow.
This is, too.
Holy fuck. Who thought it's a good idea to let this man run?
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>>531261
He was young, which helped to balance out Bush being pretty old looking.
Also after the Eagleton fiasco no one wanted to look like they would betray their running mate again.
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>>531203
"Did you know that the Secret Service is under orders that if Bush is shot, to shoot Quayle, too?"
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>>526761
Ever hear of the phrase
>Grass is always greener on the other side
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>>530189
American politics is fun to talk about from a strategic point of view, but politics boards tend to get too personally engaged in issues to look at topics strategically.

>>531203
>Republicans have been accused of abandoning the poor. It’s the other way around. They never vote for us
Was he trying to alienate voters? People make fun of Biden for his gaffes, but Dan Quayle blows Biden out of the water.
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>>530189
There's no /pol/ and they won't click on the OP because it looks like a game discussion.

>>531702
This. Plus, you know, inserting whatever boogeyman of the week needs to be the topic no matter what.
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>>531203
Yikes. That's on a whole nother level.
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>>531203
>The future will be better tomorrow.
Ah yes, the bottom of Civ's scoreboard ranking of historical leaders
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>>531203
>The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation’s history. I mean in this century’s history. But we all lived in this century. I didn’t live in this century.
if this was standup comedy it would be genius
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>>531261
>>531281
>>531702
>>531883
>>531888
>>531998
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdqbi66oNuI
You haven't even seen the worst yet.
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>>526761
>lol just don't expand across your own continent and cede ur entire west coast and access to the Pacific and oil cuz muh libruls and Mexicans
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>>531203
>People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history.
But where's the lie, tho?
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He won, but why does he look so dead inside?
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>>532527
Punished Ford, a man denied his speakership.
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I won as Charles Evans Hughes after a couple of attempts at the 1916 campaign. I played as a Progressive Republican with Elmer Burkett as my running mate. I concentrated most of my efforts in New York, because I knew it would be a key state for me to win. I spent my last week of the campaign touring New England.

After answering all of the questions, I just sat down and I expected everything to go well. The results were coming in, Wilson was grabbing more states than me, but I didn't lost hope. Nearing the end, only the West Coast remained and Wilson had 260 votes. I thought everything was lost. And then I saw all three states going red.

I had won.
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>>532600
PD: It became even funnier when I saw I had even lost the popular vote. I really liked this election year. With my anti-war stance, Germany is going to win WW1 for sure. I wonder what will happen next...
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>>532600
>>532602
This is the only race I haven't won. How did you handle Roosevelt? How did you win being so anti war?
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>>532604
I don't remember the exact answers now but I think I choosed not to comment on his opinions as it avoided the problem altogether and pleased the moderates, while in the anti-war stance I mentioned than mobilizing a few more soldiers was ok, but no more than that. If you criticize rearming too harshly it hurts you, and the advisor says so.
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>>532527
how did you do it, anon?
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>>532602
>Germany is going to win WW1 for sure
>With their people and army starving to death from the British blockade
At least you've prevented WW2 from happening by ensuring America won't meddle with the Paris Peace Conference.
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>>535211
I thought the 1918 Offensive and earlier attacks were prevented just in time by the arrival of American troops.

Also, how did America meddle at the Paris Peace Conference?
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>>536413
>I thought the 1918 Offensive and earlier attacks were prevented just in time by the arrival of American troops
American troops only started arriving en masse after the failure of the Spring Offensive. The operation itself was arguably doomed from the start: an overreliance on elite troops, unclear objectives and a lack of cavalry were all major issues that meant any gains would be both short-term and unexploitable.
>Also, how did America meddle at the Paris Peace Conference?
Fucked over the French, who wanted a far harsher treaty that would have actually kept Germany down, and pushed for self-determination in areas where the idea was inherently unfeasible.
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>>535211
I thought Charles would have the US enter earlier.
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>>535211
>>536413
The position of Lenin and the Bolsheviks was so weak by summer 1918 that they were effectively German puppets, and Brest-Litovsk surrendered the most fertile food producing regions to Poland and Ukraine, which were even more under Germany's thumb than Russia. Much of the famine was alleviated by the spoils of conquest in the east, and if the blockade had continued Germany could further pressure Lenin to give even more food. By that summer the Terror had begun in earnest and the central government was actively confiscating the food the peasants had been stockpiling in response to massive inflation. Lenin demonstrated repeatedly that he was willing to sacrifice almost anything in order to stay in power and if continued German support were a question of shipping so much food west in 1919 that his own people starved (more than they already were), he would have done it.

The German offensive of 1918 was launched in response to the looming threat of hundreds of thousands of fresh American troops in a gamble to win the war before the numbers against them became insurmountable. When it lost momentum there were only a few Americans in Europe, and though it was a fairly close-fought thing, I don't think their not being there yet would have been decisive. However, there is something to be said for the psychological factor of the imminent arrival of reinforcements. France by the end of 1917 was in almost as dire a position as Germany. Morale was very close to breaking across the whole front. If there is no American entry into the war, Germany can take its time to rebuild its strength with Russian food and prevent the collapse of Austria-Hungary. If those troops repositioned from the eastern front are there to bolster the German line, instead of making a desperate offensive, can the allies ever hope to make a successful offensive of their own? If Germany attacks anyway, will the French fight on without the surety that American manpower is coming?
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>>537042
Russian/Ukrainian food is a mirage. The country was too devastated to provide much for Germany, even if they let the locals starve even more. Germans were still starving in 1918. Now it's possible that they manage to knock out France and win the war (morale will be low without the promise of American divisions), but it's equally possible that Germany gets knocked out because of bad luck in offensives, its own fairly low morale or collapsing home front. The Ottomans weren't going to last much and Italy was getting its shit together to finish off Austria-Hungary after the disaster of Caporetto, without receiving much from the US (maybe the few British and French units aren't sent here, but they weren't that numerous). Italy can't attack Germany directly, but it could free men to send to France, not to mention all the Brits/Indians that would come from the Middle East. No US intervention helps the Central Powers, but it may not be enough.
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>>536522
I don't know that a harsher treaty would have done much beyond creating a faster wwii or forcing out the german goverment faster. Things were so bad in germany that they'd be enforcing a treaty that was essentially irrelevant. They reparations money was always going to get inflated so bad it was worthless from the start and any other punitive actions would just have gotten ignored later on the way the actual treaty was ignored later on. Nobody actually wanted to be the aggressors for wwii on the side of the allies or they would have just pacified germany soon as hitler started rearming in earnest.
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At last
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>>539657
How
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>>539763
Pick Baker as running mate
Make it about you being honest
Be extremely moderate about a lot of things:
Give the non answer about pardoning people that didn't go to war in Vietnam (think about it)
Say that you want to see how things turn out with the Panama Canal
Say that you will uphold the law regarding abortion
Be neutral about the death penalty
Let Carter shoot himself in the foot and pick the moderate approach when attacking him.
Ignore Texas, you don't have a chance to win that; make sure you got the West Coast on your side.
Try winning east coast states like New Jersey
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>>539395
Germany was perfectly capable of paying reparations, its government just didn't want to. The inflation was largely the result of the immediate post-war recession that affected every European nation and their economic ministry going full retard and printing money to pay striking German workers in the Ruhr when it was being occupied by the French (Who withdrew, it should be noted, only after largely American international pressure.)
>>537091
>morale will be low without the promise of American divisions
It wouldn't be. The 1917 mutinies were a response failed offensives that resulted in heavy casualties; whether the average French soldier was willing to defend their homeland was never a question. Keep in mind also that 1918 also was to be a "year of rest" until large numbers of tanks could be deployed for a major 1919 offensive. The French were never going to break before the Germans did.
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Fuck you, Symington.
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>>539930
That's fair, germans didn't want to. But at the same time, why would they want to with a harsher treaty? I think its one of those things where the words on paper ended up being less relevant than the feelings around them on both sides. A harsher treaty might have had very little real impact to be honest.
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>>540616
Nixon beating JFK seems pretty doable in this game. Sticking by Eisenhower's legacy is a surefire way to win.
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>>539799
I always made a push for Texas, had a e few thousand difference loss at my latest run. Damn.
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>>540616
Wouldn't Kenny unable to run due to health reason.
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Do you think we'll ever actually see a 2020 scenario?
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>>551165
We haven't even gotten a 1876 scenario so probably not.
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>>514264
Not fuck up covid so spectacularly and give people the checks.
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around the end of 2020 to the start of 2021 there were some really insightful threads on /his/ about various elections, I think this game was shilled a few times in those threads too
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>>528242
>Even if you don't win outright like Lincoln did in your scenario, I'm pretty sure CT regards any tie (no EC majority) as a loss.
no, the 1860 campaign is specifically regarded as a race to prevent Lincoln from achieving a majority in the EC, and doing so is counted as a victory for Douglas. 170 is a majority, there were less states at the time and therefore less EC votes.
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>>514264
cross the rubicon
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has anyone won as Ross Perot?
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>>553816
You can't even play as Perot, the hell are you talking about
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>>553816
have u ever played this game or not
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How the hell do you win as Hughes?
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God this game makes me feel like a real brainlet. No matter what year i pick i seem to win popular vote but always have a quarter of the electoral votes. What am i doing wrong?
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>>546132
You have a better shot at winning Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, I make sure to have Oklahoma stay with me as well as Oregon, it may be easy to lose those two. Here are the trips I made, notice how I didn't bother with any southern states, win the Midwest and you got this in the bag.
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>>555971
California.
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>>557081
I win California and still lose, I can't seem to hold all of New England while keeping the western states on board.
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>>556204
>What am i doing wrong?
It sounds like you're crafting policies that get broad support rather than aiming for more localized ones. You want to target the swing states, typically the Midwest, and make sure your policies win those areas over.
I won a 2016 Clinton game by targeting Pennsylvania and the Midwest, basically replicating the 2020 electoral map.
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>>487418
underrated post
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>>532527
>I know I will go to hell, because I pardoned Richard Nixon.
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>>556204
you have to think about what you say and make sure if the things you'll say go according to how you want to approach the campaign, for example, you can't pander to Reaganites as Ford and then pick progressive answers.
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So close.
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Forgot pic.
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Why is it 2016 easier to beat with Sanders?

1/?
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>>561821
For proof.
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So is the goal in 1860 to win as Douglas, or to cause a hung election and shatter the Union?
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>>514264
World War III with China once the coof hits epidemic levels in a NATO country.

Land in the South China Sea, bomb Beijing and Shanghai from Japan, make it clear the nukes are pointed at them and get the UN to say the coof was a biological weapon attack entirely by strongarming them.
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>>561823
Because the most important states for you win in the upper Midwest support protectionism and Sanders appeals to that. It basically takes away the only avenue Trump has to win those states, so you just need to focus Florida or Ohio to win.
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>be anti corruption and anti silver as McKinley
>still lose
How the fuck does that work?
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>>561860
The best you can probably do is take New York and deny Lincoln the victory
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Is there any way to actually win as Stephen Douglas? (Not just knocking the GOP out of the race with fusion tickets, but where Douglas actually wins the presidency)
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>>556448
Do you play on easy mode?
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Do you guys know of this cheat? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO97xg3j4QQ
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>>556204
If you don't know much about the time period/election you will probably lose. The only ones I can win are the more recent ones and 1860.
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I wish you guys give a step by step on how you won along with a pic(s).
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>>562987
Also say what difficulty you're on.
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>>562930
Normal
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Just snagged a successful 2016 Clinton victory after a couple of tries, Went with Sherrod as my VP, refused to work with Bernie but embraced a populist rhetoric, slammed ISIS, slammed the TPP, advocated for a withdrawal from the middle east, campaigned with Obama, accidentally clicked the wrong option and brought up the problems with my health, but still won.
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>>568486
Here is the electoral map and visit numbers
Florida: 7
Ohio: 4
Pennsylvania: 1
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>>485023
Are there cheats? I want a genuine experience.
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>>568503
Pres the spacebar when making an answer and then hit tab and enter. It will multiply the effects of your choice. This works in the positive and negative direction, so piss of the libertarians as Trump, do that and Johnson can win some states.
Here is an example:
https://www.americanhistoryusa.com/campaign-trail/game/2337197
If you ever wondered why the leader board shows meme campaigns like Nader, Douglas, and Wallace winning this is why.
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>>568486
Another one from today:
took Sergeant as my VP but claimed I'm not an abolitionist, supported Texas annexation, supported the Whig party line, accused Tyler of being a spoiler candidate, spoke in favor of Manifest Destiny and rapid expansion, as well as being ultra-aggressive with the UK
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>>569453
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>/pol/ thread
>discussion is about electoral strategy
I guess this board does live up to the name
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>>514264
Simply start wearing my glasses
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>>569534
You will never ever in the entirety of time will ever be considered a human female
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Would Ford Administration better or worst for America?
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Do you guys know about this game? https://archive.org/details/msdos_President_Elect_-_1988_Edition_1987
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Made up some victory screen texts:
GW Bush 2004
"Despite a tough challenge from the anti-war crowd, you have managed to pull out a re-election. You get a second term to direct the US through the war in Iraq, and can continue Republican dominance at the national level. Just keep an eye on that economy..."

Kerry 2004
"It turns out that Americans were sick of the war and Bush's fumblings. You have pulled it out after a close count in Ohio. It appears the Senate won't be Democratic this cycle, so good luck..."

Obama 2008
"You promised hope and change to a nation and managed to pull off a historic first. Congrats! Now the work repairing Bush's economy begins, hopefully you can unite people as promised."

McCain 2008
"Though you always were the underdog, your maverick nature manged to appeal to a nation that tired of Bush. Americans are excited for moderation and you will lead an experienced, bipartisan administration. Just keep an eye out on the right-wing of your party..."

Trump 2020
"Once again, you have shocked the world with your massive victory. A pandemic, riots, and Democrats trying to steal an election couldn't stop you. KAG! Now, the question is who will follow you in 2024. Pence? Cruz? DeSantis? Ocasio-Cortez? Your children? The field is open."

Biden 2020
"You have finally, on your third try, reached the highest office in the land. Hopefully your promises of building back better can be met. Will you lead as a moderate as you did your whole career, or appease progressives? Regardless, people are whispering about your retirement at just one term..."
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>>570788
Will you do some defeated screen text?
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>>556448
Pretty sure that scenario is broken.
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>>532527
Why are you on easy mode?
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>>570847
you just have to ride the moderation train and campaign in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, the Midwest and if necessary, Oklahoma and Oregon. I always kept losing Ohio if I campaigned there so i campaigned on other Midwestern states
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>>570893
Almost won but Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania flip by 2% somehow.
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>>570915
Baker is the best candidate for Ford
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>>570926
Why not Anderson?
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>>570819
Bush Defeated, 2004:
"In spite of the work you did in fighting international terrorism, it seems you will follow in your father's footsteps and be a one-term president. There are already whispers that Jeb is the frontrunner in 2008."

Kerry Defeated, 2004:
"Perhaps it was always a longshot. Americans just felt united by patriotism following 9/11, and associate Bush with that. Regardless, you will still enjoy your Massachusetts Senate seat."

Obama Defeated, 2008:
"Despite the chaos of the Bush era and your promise of hope and change, things never came together once the campaign began in earnest. Clinton's supporters are furious that you managed to lose after eight years of George W. Bush. Democrats are even considering a primary challenge for you in 2010..."

McCain Defeated, 2008:
"Running as a Republican in 2008 was always going to be difficult. Some in your party blame your fumbles, or your wisdom in your selection of Palin. Given your age and concerns on the trail, it is unlikely the Republican Party will consider you in 2012. At least you can take solace in knowing that you ran a fair campaign."
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Beat it after 36 tries.
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>>570819
>>570991
Trump Defeated, 2020:
"In spite of your four successful years in office, really the most successful any president has ever had, Democrats have somehow through under-handed tactics stolen the office from you. The protests at the Capitol during the counting of the Electoral College vote have likely tainted your legacy with the moderates that you relied on for your success, but even still, your position as the head of the Republican Party is unchallenged. Should you choose to seek office again, the Party will likely coalesce around you. It's all up to you..."

Biden Defeated, 2020:
"The worst nightmare of your party has come true: Donald Trump has been re-elected to four more years in office. Many are furious that you lost an election that was seemingly easy to win. Democrats still maintain the House, but are on track for another four years of gridlock. As for you, your political career has likely ended. The progressive wing of your party gets louder and louder..."
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>>570992
2/? I never understood why the answer section is blank.
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>>571000
3/3
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>>570988
Anderson is more of a really old school choice, you want sensible policies that don't go against your moderate agenda, Anderson and Dole get you to answer questions regarding them that will make you a bit less popular, this doesn't really happen with Baker, even the advisor says that he's the best choice.
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>>570893
>I always kept losing Ohio if I campaigned there
Did something happen historical?
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>don't be an asshole as hillary
>easily win
>don't be an asshole as trump
>win by a technicality
Go figure.
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>>571036
You win by picking Carson and apologizing for everything.
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You all need to post your answers?
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>>570847
Yeah it is.
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>>571126
Sadly it's just as broken with Jessie for 88.
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>>571117
here is what i usually go with for the Gerald Ford campaign, effects will change depending on where you campaign:

https://pastebin.com/rCvSGBeS
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I swear that this scenario is the most sensitive.
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>>572187
Never did this to Wallace.
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>>572192
For those who cared.

Penn .1%

Ohio 5%

Wisconsion 4%
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I always wonder what would have happen if Ford won.
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>>571060
I won by picking Carson while blaming the Democrats for the current state of "black America".
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Which is harder 2000 or 1860?
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I swear the Soviet Gaffe is a fucking death sentence.
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I guess I won?
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>>572842
The map.
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>>572842
No you technically lost.
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Be extremely liberal and won somehow.
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>>573052
Map.
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>>561821
>>561823
Because the 2016 campaign irl was just a slew of bad decisions on the part of the Dems
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>>562011
I don't think there is
His campaign is just completely doomed
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>>514264
One-up the Democrats on their COVID relief checks.
Seriously, Repubs deserved to lose for openly voting against giving people more free money. What did they expect?

>muh deficit

worry about that after you actually have power
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>>570991
>"Despite the chaos of the Bush era and your promise of hope and change, things never came together once the campaign began in earnest. Clinton's supporters are furious that you managed to lose after eight years of George W. Bush. Democrats are even considering a primary challenge for you in 2010..."
Remembering all of the seething hilldogs who thought this would actually happen when she lost the primary lmao
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>>572705
Why did you cheat? Also new thread when?
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>>573020
But my only goal was to stop Lincoln from winning.
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>>493601
Imagine the rioting if Trump massively loses the popular vote and loses the electoral college and still becomes president.
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>>576229
idk about 2016 but if that happened last year it would be nearing civil war levels of anger



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