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Fucking lol

Ck2 thread
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>>407514
damn nice borders, MP?
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>>407532
Playing CK2 with porn mods takes the fun out of the game. You just coom, and then that's it, your will to play the game is gone. Those event were the worst part for sure though
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>>407514
>Christian
Karl still got your fucking tree
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>>407795
based but do it right. what mod btw?
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>>407675
...what porn mods exist for ck2
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>>407624
Nope, Charlemagne SP. Only playing it because I'm attached to the Klados family after forming the Hellenic Roman Empire as them. The borders ended up the way they did naturally.
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>>407799
I actually started in 476 and had to rebuild Rome from just Dalmatia with Julius Nepos.
I tried not to blob aggressively and to balance things with console because I want first and foremost a plausible experience. I'm now working to convert it on EU4 but there are many aspects that need to be fixed due to it not being vanilla.
>what mod
When the World Stopped Making Sense (WtWSMS)
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>>407800
Dark world and luxuria something
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I only have 200hours in ck2, give me your best tips for newbie.
For instance I just figured out that:
1) You can invite to court and kill off/banish childless courtiers to get their gold (once I found guy with 1200 gold on him! wowser)
2) Sending your priest councelor to pope can be VERY helpful, because if pope likes you you can just... ask him and get strong claim for some duchy, lmao, wtf.
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>>408226
Asking pope for claims is not that powerful. For one, you need to be a good Christian while your target isn't. It's very costly too. And if your goal isn't to get the title for yourself, it's easier to press someone's claim
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>that neo-assyrian* feel when no one left to crush to death

*Kurdish Yazidi actually, but who's counting.
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>>408254
>it's easier to press someone's claim
not for me anon, at least for now
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>>408254
he basically always gives you a claim against women and children though.
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>>407800
Child, no, save yourself.
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>>408254
Pope claims are the most based way to expand. Be a good Christian boi and a morally upright man, have your chancellor always kissing the pope's ass, and if some hole has land you want you can just call up your homie and get permission to legally take it. Held by a man? Capitalize on any flaw he has to get his ass excommunicated. Catholic politics 101

I usually only take advantage of claimants for spouses but it's just because I'm wary from having been tricked into just establishing an independent state too many times early on. Is it correct that you just need to give the claimant a castle or something so they're your vassal, and that the title you're pressing is lower than your own?
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>no ck3 thread up
I cry
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>>408757
that's because it's a shit game
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>>408226
Use imprisonment to weaken powerful vassals. Don't auto stop plots unless your empire is too big to manage and you're lazy, so you can have reasons to jail people
>find out vassal called you a fag once or is trying to kill some retard for whatever reason
>be prepared for war
>attempt to imprison him, you actually want it to fail so he'll revolt
>kick his ass
>once imprisoned you get a free revocation or two for treason. if he has like six titles, take the duke title and the strongest county. give both to some simp in your court, invite a holy man/noble/commander if need be, no family ties is good
>keep traitor safely in prison until he dies, even if he still has land he's now delegated under your happy duke and no longer your problem
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>>408755
If they're already your vassal, they'll remain vassals once you press their claim
They'll also become your vassal if they're of your dinasty. As such, a good way to expand is to get claims for your dinasts. Marry your spare sons and daughters to younger children of the ruler whose lands you want. They don't need to have claims, they'll get them when the ruler dies.
So let's say, you married a guy matrilinearly to a daughter of yours. This guy dad's die, his older brother inherits, and he gets a claim on the titles. When he dies, his sons, your dinasts, will inherit the claims. Only then you push the claim of your grandsons.
If the guy's claim is non-inheritable, push it and immediatly white peace. The claim will become strong and inheritable.
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>>408768
I like to plot to revoke all I can during peacetime. Doesn't net in money, but you can keep auto-stopping plots, and makes your realm internally tidier too. Which is good as it makes internal wars much less frequent
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>>408757
It's still in its baby state, compared to CK2.
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Any good mod for starting as a courtier ? I use Ciphers Courtier expansion and its decent, but maybe someone knows a better alternative ? Currently playing as Arab martial courtier, not sure where Ill eventually settle, either stay in the Damascus region I am in right now or go to Khurasan and get persianized.
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>>408757
I got filtered by the "automatic map modes for level of zoom shit". All I want is to be able to look at geographic maps from zoomed out, but apparently that's too fucking much to ask.
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>>407675
I coom with the naked Indian ladies in Ck3
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>>407800
what >>408490 said. It might seem alluring at first, but it sucks everything out of the game. Makes it a hornyfest where all you do is coom, it's a fucking horrible experience.
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>form India
>suddenly get 100k extra troops from my vassals
What
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>>409542
go attack China and fulfill the dreams of all poo in loos.
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>>409542
none of the vassal kings have the "wants X empire" negative opinion modifier anymore, that might help
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>>409542
>white hun india
based
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>>407514
this reminds me of when sons of Abraham was free for some time on steam and i didn't know so i lost the occasion.
Can someone please hug me? i'm sad.
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Also, my vassal created the Sunni Caliphate... somehow.

>>409653
Here's your hug: https://cs.rin.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=64425&hilit=crusader+kings
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>>407514
Being a tribe is annoying when you gotta burn down all the cities/castles/ etc. to create usable land. Should I just reform already?
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>>409542
>converting to islam
unbased
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>>409876
This
Should've converted to Zunism or Bon instead to create a superpowered pagan India.
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>>408305
>Mongol Revolt
>In Italy
and
>Horvatorszag
What the fuck is going on down there anon?
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>>409542
If you only had one empire before all your Indian vassals became de jure.
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>>409932
does that increase levies? The fuck.
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>>407532
Why is the caliph a shota?
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>>410007
Why shouldn't the caliph be a shota?
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>>409876
Had to expand while keeping my Saka bull culture, homie. Though I do agree Zunist would have been a better choice RP-wise. If I could go back, I would have chosen that.
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What are the most cucked runs in the game? Looking for a challenge. Nothing completely RNG based, though, I don't care for characters like that one old lady who's difficult because you have to race to put a demon baby inside her.
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me paint map HUIEHUEHUHEUEUHEHUEHUEUHEU
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>>409936
it does because of >>409546
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>>410210
Playing as a vassal of the Tibetan Empire in 769.
You could probably try to reform Bon within it and create a Kingdom title from the "Sacred Bon Hierarchy" religious head title, then attempt to dismantle the empire from within so you can then replace it with your own custom one, but being a vassal of Tibet is pretty gay.
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>>408755
>asking pope for claims instead of vassalizing him
>be a good Christian
Cringe
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>>410339
Base, fuck the Pope.
Real chads dab on people with the power of Ahura Mazda
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>>407800
Plenty on the loverslab.
>>408757
Wake me up when they bring back option to do interfaith marriages. I remember when you had to edit files for 2 to get that, at one point... Too lazy to find out if it's possible for 3. Why couldn't just take such things from CK2 campaign setting menu and port them over to 3...
Fuck pdox.
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>>407514
Playing as berber tribals and have like the entire maghreb area under my control. When should I become feudal or a republic or whatever? I have the abbasids and umayyads right on my doorstep so I'm afraid losing the levies and retinue will fuck me otherwise. I can beat them as it stands with my mercs and my retinues.
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>>410866
Become a Republic so you can go full pirate and raid the Pope for fat stacks of cash, then you can build up enough funds to hire as many mercs as you want.
Plus if you play your cards right you can then start to expand to places like Venice and Ireland and do all kinds of weird meme shit.
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>>411125
Last time I did that I got bumfucked when my levies and retinue cap dropped to like zero. I also gotta move my capital since it's in marrakesh now. (I was thinking Tangier to be a good coastal place for muh merchant empire)
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>>410210
Zunists in 769. Italian Muslims in 867 and generally Muslims on Sicily.
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Why the fuck do cant I play with Lindbrooks Texture Map without HIP???
Is there a away of atleast getting the same colors in the map?
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>>410444
Ah my fellow ZoroastrianCHAD
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>>407514
How fun is playing a poo in loo? Hindu seems annoying with the caste system.
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>>407514
>K*rling
absolutely disgusting
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>>411214
About the same as playing any other nation. Less flavor events than cathcucks but you can interact more with China and their boons, explore the other religions, the muslim empires, restore the Hephthalites, etc. It's more or less the same as the base game with a different flavor. I had fun with it but it's not a must buy.
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>>411214
Poos are fun if you manage to get yourself converted into their culture as tribal. You'll be able to get hundreds of elephants.
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>>411214
It's pretty fun, I always go buddhist to get rid of the dumb caste system and have an easier time with female heirs (besides i like buddhism irl so i get to larp as that). Being buddhist gives you heir designation right out of the gate, so getting primo/ultimo after that makes succession a null challenge and guarantees you'll always have good rulers, if you're not extremely unlucky with RNG.
While still being ck2 and having the core ideas pretty much the same, it's a suprisingly large region that presents a lot of interesting challenges and more radical terrain if you're only used to playing in the western half of the map, and i think everyone should try doing a chakravartan run or whatever it's called at least once just to get a real good taste of how it works.

Personal start suggestions would be:
The independent count of the maldives for extra challenge
Ruling sri lanka and expanding from there
Going from bengal, the western border or the birthplace of buddha (lumbini) down to the rest of the subcontinent
A good old hephtalite run
Or even playing as a tribe in the arabian peninsula and moving to India on a chain of conquests with your tribal retinues
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Playing HIP. What's the deal with levies being so off? I have Alba, Norway, Egypt, and Nubia with less that 8k troops, while the HRE has 6k, and one vassal of mine who broke free had 5k.
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>>411542
*5K with only the Alexandria area
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>>411381
dont elephants/heavy cav have shit tactics in this game. It's a shame too.
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>>410210
Gilan (Zoroastrian) 867 -> Saoshyant
Zunist 769 -> Empire of the Sun

Doing both of these without converting took me multiple runs.
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>>412363
Their stats are really good, though. Elephants, anyway. But what kind of tactics could you have with an elephant other than charge?

t. Pyrrhus of Epirus
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>>412414
>Zunist 769 -> Empire of the Sun
If you wanted to make it easier you could've just played as the Pratiharas in 867 and adopt Zunism as a secret religion via conquering Multan
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>>412553
>without converting
Learn to read, negro
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>>412594
No
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>>407514
How do I LARP as a Han guy? Whenever I play as the count of Qinxi or whatever in the east I get raided 24/7 by nomads and it makes me want to kill myself. If I had a way to get money it wouldn't be so bad.
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>>412754
You play as someone else in the reach of China. When you get some subservient bitch boy you'll have him kowtow to the emperor and all that, land an imperial servant and educate your heir to show how devoted to the emperor you are.
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>>412799
I want to get the Aladdin achievement though.
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>>412824
Weather the storm somehow and flip Catholic so you can escape with your crusade beneficiary.
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>>410210
I have yet to make the count of Ostfriesland in 769 work, because all of your nearby territory is either Charlemagne's personal demesne or Saxony, and you have to get strong before 800 or you will get raped by viking adventurers
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>>412872
That one's easy. Swear fealty to Saxony, because Charlemagne always loses to them. Become Duke and bust out.
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>>412916
What's the best way to rebel? I know if you don't lead the faction you cant command the allied rebels which sucks.
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>>412949
The last time I did that run my king was a coward and content so he just let me do it. But I wouldn't count on that. Just save enough gold with Business Focus to supplement your forces with mercs.
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>being Charlmagne's bitchboy as Saxony
>not dabbing on him via upgraded holdings, lots of levies and purchasing as many mercs as your coffers can afford
If you play your cards right, you can totally deny Charle's assault on your kingdom and expand eastwards.
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>>413106
based.
FUCK CHARLIE MEME
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Any mods where I can play as a Native American? Ruler designer doesn't hit the spot for me because you're always going to be the odd man out instead of being in a civilization full of them.
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>>414284
After the End takes place in post apocalyptic america. Prolly as close as you're gonna get.
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>>414284
I could've sworn there was a mod that expanded the world map for CK2 to include stuff like the Americas and shit but I'm not sure.
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>>414662
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1911961714&searchtext=umbra+spherae
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>>407800
Major ones
Dark world reborn. It's kind of a mess tho, in many ways, with some content that feels out of place. From genetic fantasy to fucking superheroes. I think you can disable some things with game rules.
Tentacled Dreams and its submods. One the most fleshed out mods, I would say. Tentacle focused.
House of O if you want BDSM society stuff, tho it has bugs.
There are more, all on loverslab.Kind of sad, because it seems that a lot of modders are moving away, probably to game 3, instead of fleshing already great mods on game 2.
I also remember there used to be a hypnotics focused mod on hypnotics collective site.
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So... What do I actually do as a Merchant Republic? If not using the war and dynastic marriage elements of the game, what's my indicator for progress?
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>>415416
Welcome to the devs' least favorite dlc. Not touched once in 6 years
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>>415416
You can basically jew the entirety of Europe out of their money and bully people with your trade ports.
Other than that, it's mostly just a "for fun" government type like Chinese Imperialism.
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>>415416
Try to get at least 1,000 gold/year then you can just steamroll everyone with mercs and retinues.
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>>416056
I once fought a 35 year crusade solely with mercs against Abbablob. I don't know how the hell did my fellow Christians fuck it up so badly. I made three crusader states before giving up winning.
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It
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>>416163
just
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>>416166
keeps
(cousin husband somehow got replaced by some dutch bitch and I didn't even see it)
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>>416169
happening
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>>416163
also, wrong first pic
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>>416172
Crusaders did a number on Egypt.
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>>416181
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>>407813
Breivik?
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>>407813
Is this the warhammer mod? Is it any good?
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What's the most aesthetic race + ethnicity combo? I'm a fan of German + Estonian, Khazar + Ethiopian, Saka + Indian.

Most Europeans look dumb as nomads, though.
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>>416184
>CUM
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>>416262
cumania is just a spermatozoid
>>416242
Not him, but yeah, It is warhammer fantasy mod.
Can't say much, since I dind't play much of it.
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>>408755
I didn't realize how good pope claims really are until relatively recently in my game. I wanna do it again, but if I request a claim now it'll put me in the negatives with the pope, so idk if that's a good idea. I'm just considering it because the extra claim would give me enough land to usurp the kingdom of England, but I can always just do that on the next war after I've built up better papal relations. I don't actually want to usurp the title just yet anyways because England is on agnatic primogeniture and all my kingdoms have tanistry, and my current heir is not my son because he's too young. So if I die within the next decade or so after usurping the kingdom I'll lose all the English land I worked so hard to get.
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>>416242
It's okay. You need to have solid computer or use submods to disable some parts of the world, if you want to run it with reasonable speed. There isn't a lot of flavor for some religions but Tomb Kings, Greenskins, Chaos and Empire and Friends are fleshed out well enough.
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Can I not declare war on my liege's tributary? I have a de jure claim on them but when I try to declare war it doesn't show any casus belli.
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>>416999
You can't because it's your liege's turf. If it's your vassal's tributary it'd be a different story.
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I know I shouldn't bring CK3 up in a CK2 thread, but holy shit, after playing CK3, just looking at these screenshots makes me hate CK3's gayass wants-to-be-total-war map even more.
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Blood of Alexander bloodline perk is WAY too overpowered. One invasion casus belii on any kingdom title in your rulers lifetime? Sure sounds OK. Having it be inheritable? Holy fucking shit. Literally lets you steamroll everyone and annex the entire map in the span of 100 years if you are not a complete brainlet.
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This Abbablob will fall apart, yes?
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>>417923
I trashed these guys for the rest of the game, putting my family members on crusader thrones or just pushing Alexander invasions. Think they had a decadence revolt at some point.
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>>417917
>not reforming Hellenism for Polyamory, landing all your family members, then letting them use the invasion Casus Belii to conquer the world for you
Never gonna make it. Pretty sure there were 1.3k by the end
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>>418024
>reform hellebism with polyamory
>ai too retarded to make matrilineal marriage work
>most of your realm is now owned by one super faggot who inherits everything and is a constant thorn by your side
Never again
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>>418151
>ai too retarded to make matrilineal marriage work
I always turnt that off because it just means any moderately powerfuly family will almost never lose titles or die out.
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>>417926
>GroBPommeraniums
vgh...
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>>418881
I had to do it anon, the fucking Arabs were right outside Poland.
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>>408757
Good.
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>>418881
Gesundheit.
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Why the fuck does the Byzantine Empire have Imperial Elective instead of Meritocracy? Or at least Meritocracy when combined with Hellenism. The authority figures were only capable of choosing an heir when the emperor died without naming one.
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>>407514
mfw muslim merchant republic
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>>407514
What are some other fun pagans to play? Sick of being Norse all the time.
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>>420553
Balts, Hellenic, Tengri
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>>420553
>N*rse
yikes. never played, heard it gets a bunch of flavor but no idea what.
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>>420553
Bon is fun if you’re tibetan, since you get monastic feudal. If you reform it with temporal you can also hold the duchy of Lhasa which is extremely good:
>extra +5 MA
>starting point on the silk road so profits almost guaranteed
>decent duchy size
It’s also worth noting that bon gives bonuses to troop defense in friendly territory and garrison size which means it’s very difficult for people to invade you.
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>>420606
>adopting Bon as a Tibetan
>not adopting it as a Han instead so you can style on the rest of Asia and create your own cooler version of the Chinese empire
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>>420772
Can you even marry a bon as a taoist.
Fuck taoism
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>>421042
nvm I'm retarded
from the wiki:
>Can Intermarry with Buddhists, Böns, Manicheans, Zunists and Nestorians
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>>420553
1066+ or unlucky early start suomenusko.
>catholic swedes crusading from the west
>orthodox slavs pushing from the south
>steppeniggers raiding from the east
>winning 1:3 or worse odds wars as they die in 1k supply limit tundra
>sailing the arctic to pillage Britain because your land is a barren wasteland
>reforming and carving out GroBBjarmiums in spite of everything
Unforgettable.
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>>420426
This infuriates me to no end when playing rome. If I have a son, I have to wait till he's an adult to be even considered for succession
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>>421293
>>420426
Simply become Emperor on your own terms.
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>>421656
>not getting frisia and a few other minors as tributaries to have an actually decent name placement
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>>421660
I don't want to ruin their fun. Frisia being independent, or existing at all, happens so rarely.
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>>421656
>Emperor
>NOT a Carolingian
pick one

For reference, I started as a literal who Karling count in northern France and that mess where France should be is where my glorious Empire of Valois once stood, then as the guy who founded it, I fucked off to the middle east and established a crusader state in Tripoli from which I created a second Empire which overshadowed Valois so much it collapsed from the inside. Currently trying to create Outremer with some 60 years on the clock. Also, funnily enough, the two capitals of my Empires, Paris and Antioch, both prospered so much that I had significant Jewish settlement which gave me +25% tax from cities, which I stacked in said capitals.
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>>421683
but big names though

althouogh i am missing that pesky nitra over there, we don't border each other enough for me to be able to get tributary
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>>421787
actually zooming out makes the names better to see
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does anyone know how to change custom kingdom colors?
i've read in many places that it's random, but i've rerolled dozens of times and it's always the same horrible color, what gives?
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>>407514
>>407800
playing ck with porn mods completely destroyed my experience (and decency) now all of my objectives revolve around rape, genderbending my rivals and rape, turning my bros to girls and all of that
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who likes flipping to catholic as the byzantine (especially after you've force vassalised the pope and taken the duchy of latium)?

a crusading emperor with his pet pope and patriarchs is fun.
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>>421804
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>>421808

Theoú thélontos
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>>421798
managed to do it by following https://steamcommunity.com/app/203770/discussions/0/846947320628305266/
weirdly enough i remember trying the same before and it not working, and i have no idea why
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>>421800
Which mods?
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>>421800
>now all of my objectives revolve around rape, genderbending my rivals and rape, turning my bros to girls and all of that
Same for me, but not just in the game
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>norse shia caliphate
What did the AI mean by this.
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>>421920
The only thing deadlier than a Norseman is a Norseman fuelled by the power of a Jihad.
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>>421804
cringe
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>>421804
I like something like that
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>>421048
Just play with interfaith marriages open game rule. It makes more sense than people think, especially in border regions.
>>420553
I play romuva but I'm biased. Since pdox is in Sweden so naturally norse gets more wank, and I get that historical literature about other pagans is kind of hard to find, maybe not even translated... If I could mod well and was autistic enough I would make a better romuva mod.
At least make some legit minor fixes, like one lett pagan ruler in Courland starting with fucking
>von kurs
>von
dynasty. Triggers me too much.
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>>422052
Hindu Norseman.
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>bloated vassal dies and Im his heir
>now I have chance to clear some internal border gore
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im playing independent austria and managed to get hungary and some other a couple of ohter duchies in the lowlands due to holy wars and i want to break this orthodox hre blob thats conquered poland, iberia, southern france and northern italy
does the sow dissent action do anything? they havent had a rebellion at any point
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>>422941
Sow dissent is shit because it only works if you can cause a liberation revolt or you're playing OPM who could really benefit from -25% siege defense. If you do it in a county that shares their religion and culture all you get is fucking peasant revolt.
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My heir who become my character have Inbred wife, but they have Genius daughter
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>>422867
love doing that
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>>422941
not really, which is fair considering how overpowered it'd be if a single outsider could break an empire of that size by sending agents
i think all it does is reduce vassal opinion (which can be very useful to tip the scales in some cases, but again, on an empire that big it'd be hard to use it effectively)

>>422970
you're either thinking of eu4 or the sabotage interaction, which is for the spymaster and typically also not useful unless you're targeting a small realm (which is fair imo, for the same reason as above)
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>>423149
the game gets really boring when you become too powerful and ive never finished a game but the byzantine empire is constantly having civil wars and hre hasnt had any after i got independence 200 years ago
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>>423167
i mean...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Byzantine_revolts_and_civil_wars
couldn't find an easy list for the holy roman empire revolts, but i'm sure it'd be a lot smaller lol

in-game, i think it happens due to the different natures of their succession laws, which in the hre favours strong, virtuous and already stabilished rulers, while in the byzantine empire favours talented but powerless and often unliked courtiers quite frequently
not much to do except either wait for them to eventually get a revolt, find some allies (if none exist, you can do china by conquering a piece of egypt or trebizond and building grace), build up your own power until you can face them by yourself (might be impossible) or join the empire again and destroy it from the inside, using everything from more effective plots to secret religious cults that can weaken the empire
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>>407675
I'd say it adds an extra aspect to CK2. As long as you're not playing solely for the porn. Because now I have a reason to try to collect and protect cute girls instead of just finding a wife with good traits and divorcing/killing her after I have a few kids to prevent pretender madness.
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>>416245
>Most Europeans look dumb as nomads, though.
Speaking of which, is it possible to go from fedual to tribal or nomadism?
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>>423593
If you inherit a Nomad Empire, yes.
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Umayyad Bro?
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just wanted to share that i somehow was luccky enough to get the new holding event 3 times in the same county in the space of like ~20 years
my once backwaters tribe has now the potential to grow as big as constantinople
it has been properly renamed with the name of the queen who did it and when i reform i will have equality or even cognatic supremacy, it's just my duty at this point what a fucking woman
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>>424399
how the fuck
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>>424399
Go Enatic or you're a bitch
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>>422983
Can you make your daughter be your heir?
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>>425281
Depending on laws
Byzantium have it by default. I had one female Empress who had 2 good genetic traits, better than any other char I had
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>>424988
a combination of absolute insane luck + having most of the right modifiers for the event (which would still leave me at 25+ or even 30+ years of mtth, maybe more)
here's the queen for reference, looking like palpatine with her battle scars and baltic old age
at the time the events fired i think she had similar stats, which let her break the 16 threshold for stewardship and the 14 for learning but not the higher ones, so could be better actually
but she is smart (from genius), which i believe helps too with another x0.75 modifier
>>425014
meh, if i was any other pagan religion i'd do it in a heartbeat, but eldership is too comfy for me to move away from it so fast
haven't even decided when to reform yet, seeing how powerful the defensive bonuses are and how you completely lose them the moment you reform

oh and before i'm accused of redditry this isn't a dumb prussian into germany or whatever game, it's more about forming more a baltic+eastern slavs confederacy
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>>424399
and here's the promised land just to finish it, gerkus being her name and tāutā being land/country in old prussian, based on this very interesting online dictionary i found: https://wirdeins.twanksta.org/#land
still deciding if i go with gerkus + tāutā, gerkus + rīki (realm/kingdom) or gerkus + ja (which seems to be a suffix of many countries in old prussian)
(sorry for the garbage resolution, playing on a laptop sucks but it is what it is
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>>425287
Well yeah I know it's possible with the right laws, I was asking if he in that particular situation was able to get that daughter into the line of succession.
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>>426011
Making chick heir difficult, especially kid. Trying to make her that for moment caused vassals to vote for some older female relative instead
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>>425450
What mods do you use?
Teutonic flag for pagan prussia is cursed tho.
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>>425450
Wew. six slots for a backwater pagan land. you need use some other CoA though unless you plan on converting to christian.
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>>423351
is it worth going bloodthirsty gods for those alone. Those seem fun.
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>>425436
How do people get those colored buttons on the top. Is it a UI option? Or are you using a mod.
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>>427124
mod
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1645246023
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>>427066
The mods I imagine you're interested in are Patrum Scuta (Ironman), which changes/fixes the horrible vanilla CoAs, A Revolutionary Borders Mod for better borders and Theatrum Orbis Terrarum, which is the paper-like map mod. Aside from those, there's only the deutschkorrektur for a better german translation, a small music mod that i mostly keep turned off anyways and the colored buttons one.

The teutonic flag is indeed very cursed, but honestly to me it's worth having since the other CoAs around the world look a lot better than vanilla. I do wish they made it conditional based on religion/culture of the owner (I think england has something like that normally for the norman invasion? idk), but I'm not quite sure how hard it is to do that and specially if it'd still allow ironman then, since it probably requires some scripting.

>>427081
Sadly, as far as I'm aware, changing CoAs manually is too much of a chore for me to feel motivated enough to delve into the files and do it (especially when i already had to do that to fix my realm color after it was originally a very bright rose).

Although what I'm thinking of maybe doing is forming my custom empire with a different kingdom than my own, so that i can get another CoA, at least outwardly. The only problem is that it seems all the nearby kingdoms also have christianized CoAs except for lithuania, which i'm not sure is historically pagan or something like that at all really. Alternatively I could just form the wendish empire and sloooowly assimilate the kingdoms outside of it, but that's a bit annoying for an empire that never really existed in the first place ._.
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>>427156
>lithuania, which i'm not sure is historically pagan
Referring to the CoA of course, I am aware Lithuania wasn't the birthplace of christianity or something like that
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>>407514
Is there a list of succession types that are incompatible with heir designation from meritocracy?
I know the imperial one from Byzantine/Roman Empire is incompatible but what others are? I know it's not just that one.
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>>427188
Nvm it seems like any of the elected succession types seem to be useless for it.
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>>427156
>>427159
It was pagan at the time. That coat of arms on the left is historical, but only fitting for certain time periods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columns_of_Gediminas
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>>427284
I see, I'll probably go with that one then, provided it doesn't cause any issues with which title the kingdoms end up belonging to. Lithuania is currently titular after my custom kingdom eating all of its duchies, but I think once I make it an empire it all becomes de jure without issue. Hopefully.
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>>421920
This happens almost every 768/867 game. It is annoying.
>norse goes raiding or prepared invasion in Andalus
>captures muslim concubine
>son converts to islam
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>>427474
768 is always a fuckin clownshow lmao.
Surprisingly the AI managed to form the HRE this time around and muzzies are actually getting boned for once. Abbasids broke up too.
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>>422983
Checking on her later (years after I divorced my inbred wife) she is married to some nobody from my dynasty but cucked him and have bastard child with my vassal broth
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>>421920
>>427474
I have trouble with removing Norse faith from my Byzantine Empire after I conquered Norse. I keep seeing my vassals from Europe, Asia and Africa turning Germanic
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>>427491
Happens every time with religious cults on.
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>>427565
>>427491
Yeah that's why I turn em off unless I specifically plan to be a sneaky bitch with a small ass religion like zoroastrianism or something.
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>>427572
You know do people even do cults under Chinese imperialism? Since it doesn't allow to demand conversion and doesn't receive penalties from religious differences do they just get on the open?
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>>427565
isn't it funny how religious cults never seem to ruin the ai?
i've never seen umayyads get destroyed for conquering half of christian france or the abbasids when occasionaly eating orthodox territories, even when they keep the original vassals but force conversion they never seem to form cults...
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>>427589
I once saw Abbasids flip Nestorian from a cult. Most hilarious shit I had seen.
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Shit, Defense pact are instant. So I can't attack few groups at once and only can do one war before everybody else gang up on me
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>>427653
Never play with that shit on. Holy orders ganging up on you for becoming the king of Jerusalem is retarded.
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I have been playing pagans so much, that now expansion seems much slower with some other faiths.
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What's the best start for african pagans? Their unique reformation doctrine is bretty fuckin good.
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>>427673
Before 1066 because then Islam start shitting up the region.
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>>427690
They should have added couple of bookmarks before the rise of islam.
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>>427690
In my Old Gods Byzantine start Africans actually reformed their religion and even had some successful holy wars
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>>427809
Funniest shit is when they reform with prepared invasions.
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>>427653
There are some ways around pacts
One is to start several wars at the same time if you can handle them all, specially if your threat after it would be 100%
You can also use mercs and retinues to quickly occupy a small target entirely
New rulers also need a moment to join pacts, so if you spot a sucession you can attack before that
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>>427664
>Holy orders ganging up on you for becoming the king of Jerusalem is retarded.
I'll never forget that one time where I was going for outremer and started literally zero(0) wars against anyone in europe or anyone of any catholic branch but the pope joined a defensive pact against me started by muslims.
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>>427964
I know. I was doing it before. Just ot rapidly conquer former Roman Empire territory. Eventually I got 100% so abused system. Each time there was no pact defending my target I attacked, tried even cause dynasty change or rebellion in enemy countries to get free war too. New ruler always started many wars
Now I'm probably forever 100% since my vassals keeps conquering new land and I given up changing law to force them to stop But also at this point my army is big enough to match combined armies or even stronger than them, however it will take some time to reach all empire borders and it may not help if vassal already fighting losing war
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>>427964
>>427653
This. Also, when your ruler dies the defense pact is immediately disbanded so you can attack as many people as you want. Unless you're Muslim. Then it never disbands.
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>>408757
I hate how many modders decided to move development to ck3 as soon as it launched.

Spending effort and time on a game that doesn't even have all the features from the previous one. Do they plan on remaking these features themselves in their mods?
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>>428366
Are you implying there are modders still sticking with CK2? Seems to me every high profile modder letf.
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>>428373
Well the Warhammer mod team split their dev team to work on both games so they haven't left ck2 yet.

But seriously, is ck3 so much easier to mod with or they just went along with the hype?
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My primary title is an empire with gavelkind but all my holdings are in one kingdom with primogeniture. I don't seem to be losing any titles on succession, is there any downside to keeping gavelkind for the demesne size bonus?
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>>428642
The empire law only applies to directly under the empire title so no. The kingdom goes to first born like the empire and anything outside those would be split.
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>>409105
This, i hate when people call CK3 a bad game, it's not one.
It just doesn't have the 7 years of developpement like ck2
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>>428378
Dunno, lewd modders at least have not made many major content mods. I feel like it was hype.
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Any of you guys seen the bullshit Paradox are trying to pull with CK2?

>hey guise subscribe to unlock all the dlc for a temporary period
>lower DLC prices? of course not
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>>429221
Why is it bullshit again?
Subscriptions are unironically one of the few okay choices they've made recently, they allow new players to experiment and learn what is and isn't useful/fun before dropping hundreds of dollars in a game they barely know yet
I'd like lower dlc prices, but even if they were cheaper having the subscription service is still a good idea, and it's not targeted at seasoned players at all if that was your impression
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>>429283
>siding with paradox on this cancer
of course, why would I expect anything more of this shithole site now
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>>429286
Don't be such a baby, give me one or two reasons why I'm wrong on the subscription system being an okay way for new players to try things out, if it's so obviously bad you should have lots of them right?
The whole dlc model is a big problem but the subscription service isn't, and it helps alleviate some of the bullshit that comes with the shitty dlc policy like new players being overwhelmed by 10 years of content
If you don't have a real reason to dislike it besides paradox bad why even say it?

I pirated every single dlc so idgaf about "siding with paradox", but on this one issue they made an okay decision imo
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>>429344
agreed. it's just pic rel in effect
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>>429344
Five dollars per month is a ridiculous price to rent just one game's DLC.
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>>429371
Is it really that expensive? Especially when the base game is now free?
Seems like a pretty okay price to pay for one or two months while you learn which parts of the game belong to which dlc, and eventually pick your favorites between those
Again, it's obviously not supposed to be something you pay for permanently, it's essentially a paid trial of a product that grew way too large for its own good and needs a way for new players to know what it is without them having to buy literally dozens of paid content at once (besides watching youtube videos or playing the barebones no dlc game and just seeing a bunch of barriers everywhere)
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>>429344
>give me one or two reasons why I'm wrong on the subscription system being an okay way for new players to try things out,
1. creamapi.
2. creamapi
3. creamapi
4. don't support parakike's dlc practices
5. creamapi
6. just pirate the god damn dlc
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>>429370
https://www.throwcase.com/2014/12/21/that-five-monkeys-and-a-banana-story-is-rubbish/
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>>428941
If you release a sequel with much less content than the previous game, what are you supposed to say other than that its a degraded version ?
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>>429715
not even him but who the fuck cares it's just supposed to be an analogy
it's really dumb to think that the experiment being real or pointing to anything at all makes any difference, we as a society are completely different than monkeys and would probably have different patterns of herd thought either way so it changes nothing at all
how autistic must be the guy who wrote that article wow
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>>429344
Different anon here, thought I'd give my take:

I personally don't mind a subscription system, but I do think it's at least inferior to buying the DLCs. Generally speaking, I'm the kind of person who prefers to buy/own things over rent them. When you buy the DLC, you can boot up the game whenever you want to for however long you like. You could even invest thousands of hours over the course of several years and the value would be the same. Essentially, the more you play it the more value you get out of it. With subscription models, it's the opposite. Sure, the first 1 or 2 months of play could be really cheap and a great way to get into the game. However, if you've already had your fun and put down the game, then come back after a couple months for maybe 1 or 2 runs, you'd have to renew that subscription, and you're only going to get a limited amount of value out of it. If you fall in love with the game and put a huge amount of time into playing it, it's almost never a good idea to invest into the subscription model. And even if you use the subscription as a test trial for the game, that 5 or 10 bucks you spent is basically just money that you didn't even need to spend. Simply put, the more you play with a subscription model, the less value you get relative to the buy model. It's inherently anti-longevity. And I hope I don't even need to tell you why that's a bad thing in GSGs.
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>>429457
Has Paradox ever gotten anyone in trouble for using creamapi. I hope not lmao cause I'm fucked otherwise.
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>>407800
No good ones. They're all obsessed with wizard sex and tentacles. But whenever I want one I just want something that enhances the game (like the orgies and shit that it already has) and not adding a fucking circus on the side.
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>>429913
yeah, i would only suggest you to do it if you want to try all the content but are not sure if you're gona get bored of the game quickly. otherwise just pirate the DLCs (or buy them if you're rich/retard)
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>>429913
It would take more than four years of paying for the subscription every single month to cost as much as the biggest DLC bundle costs right now.
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>>429457
people have friends, anon
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>>430254
Friends are for the weak minded.
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>>431356
Wait, did an actual Chink pretender set up shop in Persia?
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>>430186
And yet the game has been out for 9 years, and still has a sizable playerbase now. It's also unlikely that CK3 will end up surpassing CK2 in terms of quality for the next couple years, so clearly all signs still point to buy instead of rent.
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>>407514
Go to vg idiot
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>>429221
You complain about game they made free with few DLCs also being free for some period of time
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Wacraft mod is fun
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>>431792
I had no idea who to play when I tried it. What's some fun starts.
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>>407514
Sneed
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>>431942
I do what I do all with Paradox games. I play factions/nations what I want to control regardless of gameplay (what I do not know initially anyway)
In case this mod its not historical reasons but ist still same thing. I picked WC1 start and choose to play Horde
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>>431953
>not berber jew
cringe
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>mfw I reach that point in my CK2 campaign where my empire is too big for me to justify having a martial based leader command armies and all my heirs have to be diplomacy trained
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>>429221
I have the base game on steam, but I just have pirated copies of different versions with different mods and all dlc anyway.
Subscription services are caner tho.
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>>431942
Trolls are pretty good, particularly Zandalari and Amani. Human light worshipers are also very good, because they have decent amount of flavour. Same goes for evil characters - sargerite demons and fel corrupted, scourge and void (shatagral) believers. Dwarves have no custom content and elves have very little so don't bother with any pointy ear other than Kaelthas and Lorthemar in last bookmark. I really suggest starting in 603, reign of chaos bookmark - things are bad for humans and they are about to get fucked by the scourge, which makes for interesting gamplay. Other than that, every suggested character in last bookmark is fun to play. Also murloc religion has some cool flavor. Try king-level humans or trolls.
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>>431942
>>432496
And play with decentralized Horde and Alliance, as they should be.
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>>432444
Charlemagne and Shapur did it, so you can do it too. Even Marcus Aurelius lead the armies. Unless you are playing huge monstrosity of a state, where diplomacy is really required.
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>>431516
China is hard flexing this game
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>>432444
>Not making a martial autist heir and, once in power, have him alienate the nobility, empty the coffers and destabilise the realm in his vain pursuits of military glory.
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>>432565
China will grow larger.
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>>407514
ibadi caliph
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>>407514
So i decided roid up some european kingdoms with a cheat menu and let the game to see what would happen (I also may have lended some divine intervention occasionally), and this is the current state Germania seems to have adopted the traditions of their nomadic ancestors because they are never in the same spots when I look
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>>433591
Nice.
Sucks being an Ibadi in Western Africa though. There's only a single holy site there.
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>>407514
Lmao even the cucks at Paradoxplaza hate the new subscription thing.
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>>434740
>I now have seen the price, an it is a rip-off. 5 €/ month?
>CK2 was in development for 8 years. 5 x 12 x 8 = 480 €. The DLCs are summing to 173 € (only actual content, not graphics/music). So, PDX is charging almost 3x the amount.
the arguments against it are just as bad as here, i don't think people understand that this isn't supposed to be something you do *instead* of buying dlc, it clearly seems to me like more of a way to test dlc and find out what is and isn't worth it in your opinion, and not something you fucking pay for 8 years lol

i do agree with picrel though, having it for new games is kind of a bad precedent if people start buying the subscription permanently instead of as a way to test things out
also agree with the other guy that talks about at least getting a bugfix patch too after one year of silence, i'm tired of seeing the sword of zeus_poseidon_hera_hades_hephaestus_artemis_apollo... and all its variations
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are people just retarded or do they genuinely not understand basic business models and how dumb doing something like picrel would be
i get not liking the service but making these dumb suggestions is even worse lol
it's the grand strategy arumba viewer brainrot i guess
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>>434974
This is an extremely common strategy, namely for cellphones. It isn't unprecedented at all.
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>>434974
>and how dumb doing something like picrel would be
How exactly is it dumb, aside from paradox making less money selling overpriced DLC?
Paying a small amount over time to slowly purchase the DLC's would be a very consumer friendly plan. Which is what they claimed this "service" to be. As is you could be subscribed for 4 years and own nothing.

Just as that guy said, if their intention was to provide a newcomer with a way to try the full game, they would have a very low one time purchase trial period. To say it's for new players to try if they like it is disingenuous.
It is blatantly anti-consumer. It is designed to invoke the sunk cost fallacy, where they've been paying too long to feel like they can stop paying because all that money would be wasted.
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Have you guys seen the PDX stock drop?
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>>435288
jesus what the fuck happened
is it really just the subscription service? it's lower than it has been since last april
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>>435294
it's never just one thing that causes such a drop, but it likely contributed, yes
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>>410210
As Georgia in vanilla 1066
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>>407514
>be the irish king
>seduce the queen of england
>assassinate the king of england
>ditch your own wife
>there we go
>queen of england gets assassinated by the unknown party
>new king of england gets angry and becomes my rival
>mfw
at least I filled her hole with my pearl jam
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>>436074
Should go fight that homosex in a duel.
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>>436075
YES!
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>>435288
its because of vampire the masquerade 2 getting fucked
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why dont my bethroals marry? i have to break the bethroal and do this shit manually i think its somehow related to matrilineal bethroals in my own dynasty
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>>436266
Incest bad.
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>>436311
no
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any recommendations for a comfy ruler playthrough? by comfy I mean somewhere peaceful, but without the NEED for wars (iceland is nice, but the penalties for not raiding sucks) Im ok with some wars just to expand territory in the beginning.
I want to go full science
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>>438017
Obvious answer, but Ireland
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>>438017
Sri Lanka is typically pretty comfy and different than usual, while also having the Buddhist learning bonus that aligns with your goals
Sardinia and Corsica seem like it could be comfy if you were strong enough (especially under the hre, but you run the risk of becoming emperor), although I'm not quite sure just how much the north africans would want to invade you
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>>438041
ye the only thing is that I've played ireland to death.
>>438060
I'll check your recommendations, thanks
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>>438075
I can second Sri Lank, anon.
One tip though is to convert to Tibetan culture like Tangut when you can. Monastic feudalism is strictly superior to feudalism, and Indian subjugation CBs require the same culture group.
So you get a better government, better retinues, and neither Dravidians nor Indo-Aryans can subjugate you.
Totally balanced game and all that. But good for a comfy science run.
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>>407514
How do you marry a sunni as a han taoist? I know I've done it before but to my knowledge you can only intermarry other eastern faiths, manicheans, and bons (and nestorians).
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>>438118
You join the assassins instead
That, or you save up enough to buy a favor and invite a Muslim to your court, where they can't refuse marriage
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>>438017
This anon was on the right track here: >>438060 with Sardinia and Corsica. Honestly one of my all-time favorite starts is the Duchy of Sardinia in 867 as the Callaris dynasty. You have to beat up Italy in the beginning in order to form the Kingdom, but once you do it's OP. There's just enough counties available to where you can hold every single territory in your Kingdom. After that, if you pass elective succession you basically just have heir designation since you're the only elector. Not to mention the added bonus of not having vassals to blob your realm or inherit shitty wasteland provinces.
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Hey, does anyone know what the "local movement speed" bonus from great works actually means? Is it really movement speed to and from the single province its built in, or is it inside the entire realm?
Because the first one seems completely useless, and the second one pretty op
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how does /vst/ feel about the ck2agot mod? as soon as I found it, I started playing it way more often than vanilla. just a lot of fun for whatever reason.
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>>438192
It only applies to the county according to the wiki
https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Great_works
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Jesus why is Taoism so FUCKING TRASH? Even Judaism trumps it.
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>>438118
Just join the hermetic society bro and wait for a catholic friend if you want to escape.
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>>438768
Chinese imperialism is OP though with being able to hold cities, no wrong religion penalty and ability to marry anyone as any religion.
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>>438118
Enable interfaith marriage in the game rules.
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>>438699
It's ok, but I feel like they made it too static.
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>>438764
Yeah I read that but still couldn't believe it, it's such a weak change if that's what it is
I suppose great works are more for rp than anything else, but still...
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>>439132
Trying to get Aladdin achievement tho.

>>438933
fuck that's brilliant didn't even think of that, thanks.
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>>438946
>ethnically european chink
How horrifying.
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>decision to restore the Imperial Borders and reinstate the Roman Empire as the Byzantines
>no decision to head East and reform the Argead empire instead
Cringe. The former should be Orthodox locked and the latter should be for Hellenics.
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>>441093
I wonder if there's any mods for that.
I mean you can also play Imperator
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>>441093
well the problem is that its hard as fuck to be Hellenic. It would be better if u could reform the Argead Empire or the Roman if u are the Byzantine Emperor with Greek culture and u could reform the Roman if u have all the counties needed in the base game and maybe some cultures that are natural to the borders (Spanish, Greek,the cultures in Italy,...)
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>>441093
>>441434
Those things shouldn’t really be mutually exclusive. The idea of redoing Alexander’s conquest was part of Roman ideology since Pompeius Magnus. Crassus, Caesar, Marc Anthony, Trajan, Septimius Severus, Caracalla, Constantine and Julian all had tried/planned on heading east like Alexander.
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>>440084
>achievement
why...
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>>441148
I would play imperator if it was more CK2, and had more bookmarks.
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>>441861
>more bookmarks
Nah, I'd rather everything be fleshed out in one period than them half assing numerous ones.
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>>441855
I have autism, please understand
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>>441148
That's where I got the idea from.
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>>439135
like too stable, with the Iron Throne always a bit too dominant?
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>>441935
If I can't play CK2-like campaign as Cleopatra then I don't care for Imperator.
>>443551
Not enough wars, you can barely have any lordship titles. I just edit that out and increase demesne size.
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