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HELLO /vst/i am an elite skirmisher, the most worthless unit in AOE2. why i am i worthless? because the absolute dogshit AI in this game makes me attack the closest unit, instead of the archers i am supposed to be fighting. also, the dogshit AI means that enemy archers wont be attacking me since i am in the back and not in the front.therefore the bonus damage against archers is worthless.therefore the bonus armor against archers is worthless.I, the elite skirmisher, am a fundamentally flawed unit.of course all units in AOE2 are fundamentally flawed to the point of worthlessness. so that is par for the course in this broken retarded game.
>>401631>I can't microThanks for sharing, OP.
This fucking retard again.
Funnily enough skirmishers IRL wouldn't fight archers.
>>401631dude just right click
Why would spear throwing skirmishers be an anti-archer unit? What were they thinking...
>play campaign instead of skirmish>never build them
>>401631>research chemistry>flaming javelins
>>401728>>401640>tfw no Cossacks-like ancient RTS focused more on large military formations and battlesI want my Peltasts, damn it.
>>401631gitguud
>>401631you know they get bonus damage against halbs too right?
this got me thinking, how hard would it be to script some order of preference for unit's targets? like, including an option for units to target closest or "more appropriate" targets, like skirms targeting archers, pikes cavalry etc. Would that break the game's mechanic somehow?
>>401937>Would that break the game's mechanic somehow?yes
>>401942howso?
>>401945>AUTO EVERYTHING
>>401948>micro everything
>>401955Yes.
>>401755>Medieval flaming projectiles at all>Ever
>>401780Oh, i have good news for you anon
>>401956Micros are for bugmen.
>>401631>too low IQ to micro
>>401981>t. 20 apm
>>402012t.gookclick
>>401937not hard.COH1 and COH2 have them. and they work.but relic does not make broken products like microsoft does.>>401633>>I can't microdumbfuck, microed archers beat microed skirms. because the game is broken. you fucking elo 800 faggot.
>>402024>but lelic does not make broken products
>>402024>but relic does not make broken productsanon, i...
>>401631t. seething archer/crossbow cuckelite skirms fucking demolish archer cucks
>>401972>Medieval flaming projectiles >always based
>>402050>A SINGLE UNUPGRADED KNIGHT ENTERS THE BATTLEhonestly the number one problem with AOE2 is the fact that you morons are too fucking stupid, too fucking bad, or too fucked by stockholm syndrome to realize its failure.i see your posts on different forums, and i can say with 100% certainty that aoe2s community is 95% dogshit morons.
>skirms>knights>mangonelsjust make more archers lmao, works on my machine
>>401631Lithuanians, Vietnamese, Aztecs and Mayans say hi
>>402151>Going pure skirm>Not adding in knights yourselfCrossbow cuck has to run away when he realizes he can't fight both at the same time
>>402151>everyone stupid>me smart
>>402217yes.when i see you faggots posting on other forums, note how fucking dumb your opinions are, and then look at your ELO and see that you have played ZERO ranked matches or are ELO 900 yes, i am objectively better than you.
>>402222t. under 1200
>>402222>objectively better than you.>plays skirms in 1v1snot even quads can save your dumb ass opinion
>>402236In most cases skirms are more viable in 1v1 than team games, in team games you can count on there being enough knights to slaughter skrims
>>402236>say skirms are bad>anon claims i am wrong and bad because skirms are bad and shouldnt be usedwell done anon.that is some multidimensional schizophrenic logic you got there.you really are reaffirming the IQ of the aoe2 community.
>>402246where did i say skirms are bad? My point is you cant rely on skirms to win. And you're too stupid to mix with other units like pikes or monks.
>>402151if you ever play against non-meso civs and don't add 1~3 spearmen (and more depending the situation) just in case the enemy makes any scouts/knights, you're an absolute fool
>>402257You can't rely on pure knights to win, unless you are Franks
Lmao love when 800 elos give their take on the game like they solved it
lol, who needs units. Just build castles and make peasants attack the remaining battering rams
>>402454>200 pop Flemish Militia
>>402024>microed archers beat microed skirmsLMFAO yo this nigga can't micro for SHIT
>>401980not that anon but YEAH BOII wonder why it is SO unknown
>>401631>select skirmisher>right click archergookclick indeed
>>402024>relic does not make broken products>archers counter skirmsits too obvious if you go full out with bait.
>>402504Archers have a faster rate of fire and less frame delay, so they in fact are easier to micro.
>>402838Retard
Damn English let me destroy you in the Hook and Cod Wars, if you build another fucking dock I'm gonna lose it.
>>402736>miss the archer>skirmishes runs into swordsmen
>>402950>missgit gut m8
>>401640my dad is a skirmisher and he says he fights archers all the time
>>402950>miss the archeraim better you seething shitter
>>402913Just land your troops on their face and grab that achievement.
>>402913Just land them, push their navy early, push with some rams, land a castle and build your farm eco there
I wonder if anybody here does 1vs1's, looks like people just bitch without playing the game.
>>4041071v1 is literally the most boring game mode.Aoe has always been best when playing 4v4 with friends at a lan party
>>404107Most just love to bitch because they are autistic. Welcome to /vst/ Autist bitching about non autists for not being autist.
>>404172Dumb autist
>>404172At this point I'm willing to believe most of people here that play singleplayer only are more autistic than people that play multiplayer.
>>404107>>404172>>404187>perfectly fine aoe thread>mp fags enter thread>LOLOLO WHY IS NO ONE PLAYING RANKED????????>people tell them to fuck off>OMG BUNCH OF RETARDED AUTISTS LMAOeverysinglethread
>>404107>muh 1v1kys
>>404252>>OMG BUNCH OF RETARDED AUTISTS LMAOUnironically yes.
>>404107I play 1v1sI have 1100 rankingI also build skirms.They're a trash unit, you should always mix in a trash unit with your gold unit. Skirms against archers, spears against cav, light cav against low apm shitters. Yeah you're not gonna win with trash unless you're goths, but that's not the point anyway. They're cost efficient.
>>402838>it is easier therefore they win every timefiltered by skirm micro
>>401631/vst/ tourney stream https://www.twitch.tv/samuraigustav
>>401631I am ze Teuton KnightI am ze best poster on zis boardI am better zan the poster above and ze poster below combined
>>407722Dubdubs confirm.
Hosting a game now6/8 if anyone wants to come inGame name: vmPassword: vee
>>401631>i can't micro>it must be because the ai is dogshitKek
>>407978Rehosting with 7/8 if anyone glances at this and wants in
>>408023Get in here, we need ONE more guy, and you're it. You know who you are.
>be me>browsing reddit>que for quick play>I get matched on a non-Arena map>close the game and restart until I get arena
>>407722the sword is hella-big
>>401631What is my purpose in life?
>>408460To make Teuton Knights move faster.But seriously what was the point in removing the Siege Tower attack
>>408460To harass boomfags in arenaNo, seriously, thats pretty much it
>>408477but you can only buy them in Castle Age?At that point the boomers already got what they wanted
>>408487>At that point the boomers already got what they wantedNot necessarily true, yes they got an economy up in feudal but ideally everyone doing a strong boom will have 3-5 TCs creating more villagers, just scatter a bunch of crossbows or land longsword, that will greatly disrupt their plansIt is out of the way, but it can work
>>407722he's so hotI wish he would stuff that cape into my uterus and yank it out like he's starting a lawnmower
>>408477This. I had a friend who went FC into Boom and got fucked by the opponent who used the siege tower to dump all his huscarls into his base.Thing is, no one ever uses it, so no one ever expects it when it's coming.
>boomfags>boomers>FC into Boom
>>408859Learn the game lingo
>>408859>browses /vst/>doesn't know what boom meansThe term doesn't even originate from strategy games. If you didn't waste your time watching corporate-sponsored women pretending to be anime girls, you might actually know something
>>408487If a boomer goes fast castle into 3 Town Centers, an opponent who goes fast castle into Siege Tower + military will win ezstill prefer petards though, 2 of them will destroy a gate instantly and permanently
>>408859Ignore the autists, it's just another word for macro.
>wahhh the game doesn't micro units for me
>>408487The boom only starts after they get multiple TCs down, so castle age is the start of the boom, not the end. If you have a comparable FC time to theirs you can easily hit them hard while they have zero military.
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>>408878>>408907literally never used outside of AoE
>>409209So?
>>408931Which reminds me, one day I should pull an arena team game in which I get multiple slavic siege towers to land a lot of gothic longswords in the enemy base
>>409209You are literally wrong
>>401631I've never played AoE2 because I'm poor and can't affort it, but what's stopping you from manually attacking the archers?Like, just double click the unit to select all of the units of that type, and right click on the archers.
>>408916No lol those are different things.
>>409583https://1337x.to/torrent/4754566/Age-of-Empires-II-Definitive-Edition-Build-44725-2-DLCs-MULTi16-FitGirl-Repack-Selective-Download-from-7-1-GB/
>>409595Is the game worth playing without multiplayer?
>>409598yeah the campaigns can be lots of fun and if you do like them there's a shitload of content after all the expansions
>>409599Alright, I'll try it out.Thanks, Anon.
>>409583>I'm poor and can't afford a $10 gameanon, your wagie reps
>>409583Pretty sure DE will be on sale soon, its will be like ten bucks for twenty years of content, you can't be that poor
>>409643If it's on sale, sure.Is there any specific date?
>>409583>what's stopping you from manually attacking the archers?OP’s apm
>>409856If they are dancing around not fighting I go to his villagers to force him to fight
>>401633>/thread
>>401948Patrol is already autofight.
>>408460>FC with bulgang in arena>transport freely upgraded longdongs over walls with towers>follow up with vils and drop kreposts
>>410132how is that better than two petards
>>410183He wont need to get a castle
>>403023yeah well my dad is a hussar and he says he could kick your dad's ass
>>402151>gets his whole army countered by a single pala>has the NERVES to call other people stupid
a tier list of unique units me and my friend madeno bulli
>>410255i hate you terribly
>>410255This is why I keep saying to hardcorefags here not to underestimate how bad casual players can be.
>>410255Please tell me this is a joke
>>410255>tfw playing Malay and dumping 15-30 karambits after a forward castle drop
>>410255Half of this is okay, the other half is laugh out loud bad
>>401631>fundamentally flawedHe is cheapHe costs no goldYou can build gorillions of themFuck off noob
>>410401Et tu, fatslob?
>>410255>Elephant Archer>AUh huh. Enjoy your (you).
>>410281>>410381>>410385>>410388>>410395>>410420
>>410255>genoese xbow>F tierand here I was thinking they were overrated on /vst/
>>410255Most unique units are at least decent just far more situational. There are a few who are almost always good and replace the main line generally of their equivalent and there are a few who are just bad like elephant archers
>>410255>Arambai, Conq, Kamayuk, Kipchak, Organ Gun, Slinger in D tier>Elephant archer in A tier
>>410518Conq, Arambai, and Kipchak are fucking dogshit after their nerf.Organ Guns and Slingers are fucking gay and I have never seen them used.Kamayuk are very situational, but thats just more of a case of Incas being shit.
>>410537>Arambai>nerfyou are blackest retard gorilla I have ever seen
>>410539The nerf from around last Decemberish still lingers.
>>410540>literally revertedlmao
>>410546Not entirely. While the fire rate was changed back to 2.0, the lowered damage still makes them weaker to snipe villagers with.
>>410537Kamyuks are very solid as both anti cav and champion replacement
>>410552>lowered damagethey actualy got a buff, since most of their dps is from missed shotsand don't even try to villsnipe with them, they cant hit shit even with ballistics
>>410560Useful when you are both blobbing but their building damage was reduced
>>410537>Conq, Arambai, and KipchakAll of these are top 5 units. Are you bad or something?
>>410574Bad players can't into micro so they think skill intensive units are bad for everyone, not just them
>>410255if any civ could replace their unique unit with any other, what would be the most retarded combos?
>>410694any bracer/thumb ring civ like the bulgars getting arambai would stomp everything
>>401631how do i get better at this game? i have fun in skirmishes but i tried playing online now and everybody i come up against is already in imperial age while i'm still feudal age/early castle age. how the fuck are they all so fast and is there a way to find players that just want to play relaxed?
>>410710>how do i get better at this game? play more, learn beter builds, find your weaknesses and work on thembuildorderreference.com>a way to find players that just want to play relaxedplay ranked games only, on ELO low enough you start encountering literally baindead people playing only with mouse
>>410718>literally baindead people playing only with mousehey, that's me. but what is the fun in just referring to a build order? is that why everybody is so fast, because they just look up the most effective way to play online?
>>410722You sweet summer child
>>410722build orders are literally the most basic shit that you should learn day on 1
>>410729nice “strategy“ game then, when it's just who can execute some meta strategy the fastest
>>410734>t. bad
>>410736didn't say otherwise, but i' just going to stick to singleplayer, looking up build orders and stuff like that is like looking up the solution to a puzzle game
>>410748is this your first RTS game? You can execute your build perfectly and still get raped by someone who reads the game better. As I said, learning the builds is just the start, a "I'm not playing fucking horrible" level.
>>410694Khmer War Elephants
>>4105741200
>>410694turkish kipchaks with bracer and substantially more survivability>>410701arambai aren’t affected by any archer upgrades besides armor
>>410722it’s like learning chess openings, you can’t win the game solely on those but there’s so much knowledge on the table it’s hard not to take advantage of it
>>410734That is literally every RTS online ever.Strategy has no place in online RTS gameplay. It's just "memorize the most op strat and execute it faster than your opponent"Of course the tourneyfags don't want to accept that and will tell you it's all "skill".>mfw tourneyfags claim online rts takes skill and isn't just ROTE learning and button mashing
>>411013What abou Single Player
>>411013>t. never won a single game
>>410734clearly you havent heard of Hoang485
>>411013Why casuals have to apply this mentally gymnastic every time in order to cope?It's pretty sad really
>>408495Thank you for the laugh
>>411013this
>>411013>>412576The online tournament heroes 3 scene is even more pathetic, since no only is it about executing the best meta, but the game is turn-based, so literally the only skill that you need is memorisation. Thing is, the game wasnt even made for competitive play, and so, the factions are very unbalanced, but tourneyfags, instead of accepting this, they just straight up ban most things from tournaments.Are competitive heroes 3 players the very definition of people that dont know how to have fun?
>>412599desu fampai homm is just a shit multiplayer game, it's only fun because you and your bros are all under influence and you're waiting for the pizza guy to show up
>>404159Based snekerino having a timestamp.
>>401631>be inna game>opponent is Viet>imma go Tiananmen Square on this gook>suddenly, get raided by archers>ohshitwhatdoido.jpeg>have an archery range up, could spam skirmishes to repel>suddenly remember faggotOP's advice>decide against it, counter with scouts, who get slaughtered>late game happens>this time totally gonna go Hiroshima on his ass>spams Rattan and arbalests, and rams>again remember faggotOP's advice>don't use elite skirts, use archer line instead>lose the game>at least I listened to that faggot's advice>mfw
>>410694Garland Wars huskarls would be a fucking nightmare
>tfw the scrnario editor still uses the old wall placement instead of the new one
>>413163>be animefag>make horrific postmany such cases!
>>401631Seething
>>410255I honest to god hope you're just fishing for (You)'sBecause fuck son, especially the Cataphract in C, and the Arambai, Conquistador and Kipchack in D
>>413885I love the cataphract but the full upgrades for them just dont justify the cost. They are a go to in Arena for me though.Looking back on it, Arambai earn a B.Conqs are shit now and fall to CA counters now in DEKipchack is the worst CA varient, and the HP is just too damn low. Diving under TCs and god forbid castles is almost near imposible now.
>>410255wtf is this
>>411092>watch hoang stream>go to bed>wake up in sweats when garbage truck arrives because the sound triggered a dream of rams rolling down the street towards your house
when people do m@a rush, why don't they keep spamming m@a after the first 3?
>>415011>when people do m@a rushBecause it works, a good early MAA rush can do a lot of damage>why don't they keep spamming m@a after the first 3?Because once archers are out MAAs become almost useless, with maybe the exception of celtic MAAs.
>>414044>Conqs are shit now and fall to CA counters now in DE>Kipchack is the worst CA varient, and the HP is just too damn low. Diving under TCs and god forbid castles is almost near imposible nowLmao pls be a troll. You cant actually be this bad.
>>415032why not follow up m@a with skirms then?
>>415087Because they will still get shoot down by archers, might as well go scouts and skirms.
DON'T PLAY BURGUNDIANS AND USE HAND CANNONEERWORST MISTAKE OF MY LIFE
>>415087You'd usually only commit to full Feudal skirms if you want to go Knights as your gold unit in Castle Age. As >>415101 says, scouts into skirms accomplishes this more smoothly.MaA -> Skirms -> Knights is fine though if you have your eco transitions sorted.
>>414044You're not meant to dive Castles and Town Centers with your glass cannon units mate
where is burgundia
>>415139East of France, West to Germany
>>415135what if i want to go longswords in castle
>>415139west of switzerland. It's closer to central france than it is to germany.
>>412576pretty sure this is more of an indictment of smash players than competitive ones, though as every adjacent gaming community hates them
>>415205you will probably lose unless you do it in response to your opponent going eagles
errr so i just closed aoe2 but I can still hear the menu sounds? is this normal?
>>415205You will get fucked by knights, crossbows and/or cavalry archers
>>415135A neat thing Burmese can do is afford horse collar after man at arms because they already got bit axe
>>415611Bulgarians and Ethiopians can do this as well. Franks technically as well.
>>415663Franks are still better off going scouts, because 56 HP gives them more damage potential
>>415676It's 54, and while I agree that Scouts are way better in most situations, there is still merit in going Man at Arms Archers with certain maps/matchups.
*ring ring*
>>415706*picks Aztecs*
>>415706com fy
>>415322it knows how stressed you are and wishes to calm you with the relaxing and familiar sounds of aoe2
>>415706
>>415706Arena is surprinsingly fine being how aggressive it can get
>>415706>oh no i forgot to ban arena *insta resigns*
>>415706haha fast imp go brrrrr
>>409583Nigger it's probably one of the most pirated games of all time next to CS 1.6 and GTA San Andreas, how in the fuck did you never play it?
>>416800>Fast impThat will get you killed, most of the times
>>409729china new year, it's already started
>>415706>spanish FC into conqs here we gooooooand remember kids, never make too many conqs or you'll regret it
>>416853but that one time in ten is absolutely worth it
>>415004>>411092Can somebody explain Hoang meme to me?Did the guy climb to 2k+ elo with sheer Celt's FC into siege rush or what?
Sicilian tech tree is kinda eh if you don't wanna go into Donjons and Serjeants. What would be a good strat to try with them, scouts? They could also do a mediocre archer rush I guess, they do get arbs later.
>>417259I guess.
>>417368>Land military units absorb 50% of all incoming bonus damagejesus christ
>decide to play more multiplayer games instead of the usual random map because I want to git gud>2 noob games, both lostWhy the fuck do I even bother anymore>dude just watch *video that covers the same fast feudal/raid bullshit over and over again*I already know that shit and I'm getting used to raiding and countering them, yet I still get my ass kicked in almost every unranked game I playWhat the fuck do I do wrong?
>>417939>What the fuck do I do wrong?Not practicing enough, you will lose 25 times until you get your first. Keep practicing, practicing, and practicing, you will never get good if you never try, never play.Also you must realize loses are meaingless, ELO doesnt mean shit at lower levels, the only thing that you lose on defeat is your pride, nothing else.Dont let loses affect you, it's just a game, afterall. Mentally steel yourself for it.
>>417939>unranked gamehere's your problem, there is no reason to play unranked
>>401640The AoE series is notoriously non 'historically accurate', at least for the first two games (didn't really play 3 much).my favourite is all the bonuses to civs in aoe1.. like what makes them think Assyrian villagers should be faster? and why should minoans get +1 to composite bowman range (in b4 crete archers). lastly why do they have 'the greeks' but also macedonia? .. why not have athens, sparta etc? anyway AoE 1 and 2 are great games online non the less.
>>410694Teuton huskarls. Full armour upgrades and +2 armour from civ, that would be 6/12 armour infantry unit.Arambai for tartars(assuming thumb ring works on them).There are probably some other options(portuguese conqs/jannies?) but I can't be bothered to think of them right now.It's better to think of memes like Goth karambits but anarchy still lets you make them in barracks.
>>418318>(assuming thumb ring works on them).It doesnt as far as I know
>>418318>>418476Also it is tatars not tartars.
>>418202>didn't really play 3 muchAOE3 is arguably worse since they simplify the armor system and classify everything into Heavy Infantry/Light Infantry/Heavy Cavalry/Light Cavalry/Artillery.Ranged elephants for example is classified as Light Cavalry thus Skirmishers' shot got bonus damage against them, but Musketeers shot only deals normal damage thanks to this system. It's simply doesn't make sense and every unit ended up feels like AOE2 Skirmishers.
Daut vs Viper playing the BO7 Arena final
>>418797>Viper and Daut both research masonryDid they finally think about their min-maxing bullshit and realised this is a good upgrade?
>>418674>AOE3 is arguably worse since they simplify the armor systemThe simplification makes sense because there are so many factors there that a simple damage bonus just works better than trying to make some kind of armor/weapon class system. Like, skirmishers/jaegers being good against line infantry had to do not only with the equipment, but also the way they fought. I could argue that AoE3 is better since the unit counters are closer to what they were historically.
>>418843>closer to what they were historicallyabsolutely doesn't matter when it comes to game design
>>418850Sure, but I don't think there's anything wrong with aoe3 units game design.
>>401972>What is Greek Fire
>>418823Always has been a good upgrade, most useful in a treb war, on Arabia, you want your army and upgrades first, maybe even wood 3 before masonry
>>417338More or less, although these days he diversified his civchoice, sometimes uses khmer, saracens or I believe spanish instead of celts.There's also a guy who got to 2k with incaboxing. Forgot his nick
>>412576Competitive scene of AoE 2 is actually very nice IMHO, most top players are total bros.
>>417368Scouts into knights every time or 4tc boom into first Crusade
>>417939if you play unranked you are playing with smurfs essentially
>>418202>like what makes them think Assyrian villagers should be faster?fear
>>418853There is one thing wrong though. The counter mechanics is applied with arbitrary bonus damage instead of unit characteristics. This is kinda unintuitive because they create 'all bullet is not the same' situation.If light infantry counters heavy infantry, they should've make them run faster, reload faster, and more accurate just like how it works IRL, not by giving them arbitrary bonus damage. This is precisely how it works with Arbalester vs generic Champion situation, which is imo is more intuitive.Anyway light infantry vs heavy infantry is not the main problem with this mechanics, it was heavy infantry vs heavy/melee cavalry. You'd think that Rodelero and Tomahawk wouldn't counter Hussars because they wield short swords and axes, until you ram them and realize that they melt horses.
>>419335You can't just say shit like that when AoE2 has stuff like pikemen doing over 5 times their normal damage against cavalry. Both games are build on artificial modifiers upon artificial modiifers.
>>419502Yeah but the bonuses and unit visual clarity are fairly simple. There are like 3 types of basic cannons with not a significant difference in aoe3
>>419502My point is not that bonus damage is inherently bad. Those modifiers are fine if they implement them intuitively. You don't need to check statspage or guides to know that pikemen stop and kill cavalry with their polearms. Meanwhile skirms bullet deals more damage to musketeers but not vice versa may confuse some players because they are both infantry with similar looking guns. Don't get me started with heavy cavalry resists infantry's guns but not light cavalry's guns.Also as I imply in that post the implementation of light infantry vs heavy infantry is not that bad since at least it has some basis IRL. But what's the logic behind an infantry with a short sword and a round shield could melt cavalry?
>>419549I wouldnt say that dude in a fursuit being immune to arrows is an intuitive design either
>>419552Well yeah nobody here defending AOE2 skirms.
>>419335AoE3 is not worse than SC2 when it comes to arbitrary bonuses.Anyway, if you want a game with 0 (zero) multiplier and a complex roster of units, you only have Zero K.
>>418318the +2 armor from civ wouldn't work on the Huskarls because it's for barracks and stables units only, it doesn't even affect the Teutonic Knight
>>419111>There's also a guy who got to 2k with incaboxing. Forgot his nickSalicum
>>410255>Elephant Archer>A tierc'mon son
>>410559Kamayuks fuck literally every unit in the game in the ass if you get them to 40~60 (equal numbers), except MAYBE for slingers and cataphracts
>>410255>Donjon higher tier than Krepost
>>420248Kamayuks strength is in stacking, if they aren't all in the same spot then they aren't amazing, and if they are stacking then time to research onager
>>415706AHHHHHH I'M BOOMING
Noob question here. You might wanna help me:If a shit ton of villagers just killed all sheep or picked all berries, what is the fastest way to get everyone plowing fields?
>>420318Put all into wood and then spam farms, or put everyone into gold and buy yourself the next age up
>>420318by building farms? what kind of question is this.
>>410694Gothic Teutonic KnightsEthiopian LongbowmenBerberian MameluksGoth Beserkerkers maybe
based unit compositions per civBritons - longbowsByzantines - skirms/pikes + camel/cataCelts - pikes + mangos/scorpsChinese - don't play chinks.Franks - knightsGoths - huskarlsJapanese - pikes + samurai/archersMongols - light cav + mangudaiPersians - war elephants/knights + archersSaracens - camels/mamelukes + archersTeutons - knights + mangosTurks - lightcav + janniesVikings - champs/berserks + archersAztecs - eagles + monksHuns - cav archers + knights/tarkans/hussarKoreans - war wagonsMayans - plumes + eaglesSpanish - conqsIncas - vills + towersIndians - camels + handcannonsItalians - archers/genoese crossbow + hussarsMagyars - cav archers + huszarSlavs - scorpians + pikemanBerber - camels + camel archersEthiopeans - archersMalians - champs Portuguese - knights + archersBurmese - arambaiKhmer - scorpsMalay - elephants Vietnamese - archersBulgarians - champsCumans - kipchak + steppe lancerLithuanians - knights + skirmishers/pikesTatars - cav archer + hussar
>>420393>Berberian MameluksThey would suck tho.
>>420393>teutonic knights with even less pierce armor
>>420391I meant completely on micron level. Do I just Klick on every single one and farm, or is there a trick how I can fasten things up?
>>420715pull them one by one from the last sheep as soon as you hit wood for farms, later rally your TC on straggler trees and do the same
>>420715early in the game you just do it one by one. Late game with a million things going on, select 5 or so villagers and shift build a mill and spam farms around it.
>>420715Hold down shift and place them with farm hotkey. Then right click one. After the first one is built they will fan out to 1 farm each.
>>420318cntrl build farms, and you need to transition more to wood going to feudal so you can keep making farms
>>420752Oh, that is good. Just what I wanted.Thank you.>>420771I play Teutons. I never have problems making farms.
>>410722find like-minded people to play ~3 hour games with peace treaty or something, if you want to get into matchmaking you'll have to learn the ropesI know that if you're starting then it'll seem intimidating how quickly enemies will do things, but knowing how to do that stuff is like learning to perform basic combos in a fighting game, you have to learn them and perform them consistently enough, but the actual game isn't that, it's everything around that>>420411>Bulgarians - champsBulgarians don't even have champions, my dude>Slavs - scorpians + pikemanI see you haven't seen the basedness of Boyar+Scorpions yet
>>420797i just used "champs" for militia line. I wanted to put boyar + scorps but i worry about the gold cost.
>>420822in Arabia there's enough gold to do both, and if you pull it off properly you'll probably win before gold runs out
Boar behind forest: Ignore or go the extra mile to lure it?
>>420842steal the enemy's boar
>>420842Take loom while getting the boar, then fail as loom clicks in after the fourth hit.Or build house on boar like your life depends on it to prevent a few hits
>>420550teutonic knights at a huge discount you mean?
>>420834>before gold runs outthatt's not the main concern
>>420422But they would regenerate, good for hnr
>>420859Just dies worse to castles and arbs
>>420861well, the other concern would be to get gold fast enough, and considering that if you start with the castle+boyar you have an extremely solid defense, I don't see any issues
>>420862Being non Saracen it would mean in imperial age, elite mames would have -30 HP compared to Saracen mamelukes, due the Saracen camel bonus and Zealotry.Yeah sorry dog but 30 HP is too good to pass up, just make 4-6 monks and have them following the mames, also make a fuckton of hussar meatshield.
>>410694Sicilian Cataphract
>>420411>Cumans - kipchak + steppe lancerWhy would anyone ever build steppe lancers?
>>422479they're cool
>can't keep up with constantly producing vils, late game
>>422480So are Petards but I wouldn't use them in an actual game.
>>422484>keep up with villager production>build a huge base and amass tons of resources>realize i forgot to build any military units
>>422484Step 1. Stop being an animefagStep 2. Profit
>>422484>h>qIt's really that easy.
>>422479They raid very well and can hold choke points great. They're also hard to mentally counter because no one ever sees them.
>>422484You should be fully boomed by then, defend raids and build up army
Have only ever played AoE 1 after my dad gave me his game disk some 10 years ago. I'd play a lot of single player, and the occasional campaign, I think I got a third of the way through. I really liked the game but there never any online matches, though I knew I'd get my ass handed to me if I had ever found one.How different is AoE 2 compared to? Keep in mind I was a dumb teenager with limited Internet knowledge when I was playing it so I know none of the meta and was also generally pretty bad at the game
>>422604You still should keep the production after, ever after you attack
>>422489Petards have its uses tho.+7 petards can destroy a castle, make them if you plan to do a castle age ram push to instantly destroy a castleAlso it takes 2 petards to destroy a ram, if you're getting rammed down, use defensive petards to save your castle.
>>422613>I was a dumb teenagerYou might not be a teenager anymore but you sure as hell are still dumb
>>422619>after you attackyou should attack like 5 minutes into the game, anon was telling to stop making villagers after reaching 100
>>420411>Ethiopians - archersNig nog listen here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFgRfQAE31s
>>422613In AOE2 there are bonus damages across the units, unique units, unique techs, civs bonuses, fully narrated historical campaigns, etcBut really, just pirate it, try the single player and see if you like it or not, then jump to multiplayer if you feel you're good enough.
>>422681I'm not disputing it, though it does seem a bit uncalled for. What prompted this response, anon? >>422918Yeah, I've saved the link to the torrent that another anon posted earlier in the thread, gonna download it when I have some time. From what I've seen in this thread, I don't know if I'd ever go into multiplayer tbqh
>>415205>what if i want to go longswords in castlelongswords are probably the worst unit in the game.they are countered by literally everything except trash.it is a unit that has no purpose.because AOE2 is a fundamentally flawed game.
>>423199Eagles.
>>415101What is the best counter against spearmen?AI 90% goes pikes/archers
>>423221Archers, militia, siege.
>>423199One unit is niche so the whole game sucks guys. Shut this thread down.
>>420237>Huskarls can be made in the Barracks
>>420248Yeah well slingers + kamyuks + something anti archer/ranged is Great. Personally I think incas are a very solid 1v1 and team game civ
>>421547Finally. Literally zero anti cavalry damage
>>423199>longswords are probably the worst unit in the game.I mostly agree, though the siege tower is probably even worse>they are countered by literally everything except trash.I'd say elite skirms are good against them too, so... yeah>it is a unit that has no purpose.it does have some purpose:>countering eagles (yes, even Persian Longswordsmen can counter Mayan Eagles in Imperial Age)>if you stacked a bunch of MaAs in feudal for whatever reasonThose are what I could think of>because AOE2 is a fundamentally flawed game.now you're being dramatic
Nothing is more satisfying than watching 30+ Shotels eat a TC in 5 seconds I tell you what.
>>423221Skirmishes counter both
/vst/ >longswords are bad and have no purpose2500+ players like hera/fair/viper ect playing against other pro players in ranked games>I think I'll go longswords here>winsbig think
>building trash counters at allLol just counter archers with archers>muh cost effectiveBut it's not time effective, once you counter the enemy unit (if they even manage to do anything at all) you just have a useless piece of shit that will do nothing but take your pop space.
>>423513>I'd say elite skirms are good against them too, so... yeahElite skirms only deal 2 damage per shot against longswords, so no. You need xbows for that job.
>>423694Just delete them.
>>423679>I think I'll go longswords here>winsHera in RBW3 was huns vs pikeman and decided to go LS rather than CA because "CA sucked". He got absolute rekt and lost the series.LS are an awful units because in Castle Age infantry cant force battles because their low speed, and cant raid because low pierce armor. In imperial age is different because most civs get plate mail armor which is crucial to absorb arrows
I wonder why longswords are bad in a game where the meta revolves around archers or knights.
>>424687Archers can endlessly kite longswords to death.Knights overpower longswords.
>>401631Counter units are supposed to be only good against a specific type of unit, they suck vs everything else.
>>424734which is why they are fundamentally flawed.in a game that features combined arms, a unit that only works vs 1 thing is dogshit, and they dont even work against that one thing anyway.the dumbfuck gold economy somehow justifies this retardation."but muh gold units"is how a dumbass thinks.the limited gold mechanic is the rotten seed that cascades throughout the entire fucking game, and shits up everything from civ balance, to units balance, to early game vs late game balance, to resource balance, to teams vs 1v1 balance.it truely is the dumbest shit ever made.
>>426143Just go play whatever garbage shit games you like and fuck off. There are plenty of people here who like the game as it is and the fact that the game has survived and grown for over 20 years is testament to it's design.
>>426143>the limited gold mechanic is the rotten seed that cascades throughout the entire fucking game, and shits up everything from civ balance, to units balance, to early game vs late game balance, to resource balance, to teams vs 1v1 balance.What the fuck am I reading>>424734>specific typeSkirms is also good against pikemen.
>>410694Tarkans would work pretty well for just about any cavalry civ.
Guys, I have a strategy I want to make work for 1v1s, but the enemy keeps reacting to it in a cheap way.>Playing Berbers>Late game>Get a Bombard cannon>Make a hole in the side of his base>Flood Hussars and Genitours>Leave a detachment of skirms, spears, camel archers, etc.>Leave a few towers>Make trade carts>Send them to enemy market>After a failed attempt at dislodging my units, he deletes his market and puts it on the other end of his baseHow do you counter this?
>>401740Naturally. They are elite skirmishers, not elite campaigners.
don't mind me, i'm just the best fucking uniti can defeat ANYONE with this fuckers
>>426305nothing personnel kid
>>426305>Abdominals-shaped armourCringe.
>>426305>>426515Lmao really, why is wearing Roman armor and helmet?
>>401728>Have a shield to block arrows >Have a javelin to counter with once I get close enoughEven as a kid this made sense even if in the real world it might not work out that way
>>426670>WE WUZ ROMANS
>>426670Because the Goths sacked Rome. They stole all their shit.
>>426852cool campaign mission ruined by dogshit pathfinding
>>426228If you're talking about the market, don't bother. You're should've already winning the game anyway by the time you could slip trade carts unchallenged. Just farm available gold and keep up the army production.
>>426228by the time you're ready and able to send trade carts to the enemy market, you should use that gold and wood to finish the game insteadneat but retarded idea
>>427211>Waste resources destroying the enemy TCvs>Beat him just until he stops attacking your trade carts, then profit.Choose one.
>>426228First you need to build some boats with guns: gunboats. Then you swim to his base and tell him that free trade is your god given right and you will bomb his country to smithereens if he doesn't open up the country.Always works against the Japanese players.
>>426305>Throws Teutonic Knight at you
>>426305Ah-hem
>>427469Is he wearing a cuman mask
>>427503Yes
>>427510That mask is very cool I must say
>>427515Yeah, I still dont know why the cumans have that mask honestly, like what it's supposed to represent or convey anyways?
>>427521I don't know, maybe its history was lost once the cumans had to seek shelter in Hungary from the mongols.
Post your greatest AoE2 memes.
>>427557*clap* *clap* NEXT MEME
>>427521superior mustaches, more civilised version of abs armor
>>427590I do agree mustaches does makes a civ automatically superior.
>>427586Ok here you go.
>>427599Lel
>>427503Strictly speaking the mask isn't unique to the Cuman peoples, but yes that is their civ "crest" in game.>>427521It represents the face of one of their gods I believe. Supposed to bring good luck in battle and such.
>>427621I must say the mask looks great
>>426670to be historically accurate
god dammit Hoang plays in 6 hrs more and im just going to sleepIm going to miss it
>>401631>most worthless unit >anything but fucking petardsWhat an idiot! Laugh at this guy!
>>423312not if the teutons had them you dingus
>>428384>Celts banHoang isn't going to win, he can't use his best civ
>absolute state of hoangfags
What's the purpose of randomly placed wild wolves and lions again? Just to occasionally kill a unit for content and memes?
>>429211To remind you to never wander away from base without loom
>>429211To give the Magyars and Berbers a bonus.
>>429211To keep you from sending vils all over carelessly.
>>429223>>429243>>429264jokes on you theres so few wolves/lions nowadays on random maps, might as well not haven them
>>401972at least flaming spears are close to what irl fire arrows actually were: burning sticks propelled at very slow speed and very short distance
I'm making a lobby if anybody cares. I'm bad, but it's a game.Lobby is /v/DF DeploysPass is veeI'm sure I'll see you all there.
>>430551We are at SEVEN dudes, you could make this a royal flush right now. Take this chance, it won't come again.
>>408027are you guys still waiting
you have completed the challenge right guys?
>>430802Dude, that was 15 days ago.
>>430835>The standard AI will react to your accomplishments in skirmish modewdtmbt?
>>422484There's no real point in making more than 125 villagers, especially as wood runs out on the map.
>>430891Cringe. Top players sometimes go to 160.
>>431181yikes, stop playing arena
>>430835I just gotta beat the extreme AI and it's done.Wish me luck guys
>>430835how does it react?
>>431181>t. CoomansMany casters said 160 is overboom. 140-150 is the limit, even then you need to delete some of them later on.
>>430891Hussar raids
>>431191I only play Arabia and make 140 vills minimum. 160 on civs with pop efficient units. Enjoy your weak economy and slow production and I'll enjoy 110 farmers pumping out non stop Paladins.
>>404107>>404159how is 1v1 boring when any team game is composed entirely of archer + knight combos?
>>431497*kills you in feudal*
>>401755>>401972>not playing as the Iberian in Atilla
>>431536*comes back from the dead and vill rushes you in post imp, gaining 2 ELO for an easy win*See i can type bullshit in asterisks too
>>431497Let's see how your well your 40 Paladins bode against 70-80 Halberds + Hussars/Skirms then.Here's a tip: I've seen how Viper lose against DauT this way, especially after DauT managed to force him into an early trash war.
>>431497You don't need 160 to max produce paladins. You are just restricting your military size at that point.
>>401945In high ish level play they use rams as meat shields in archer fights.
>>430835I only did up to Hard because I wanted the profile picture. How does the AI react? I thought I already had this because the AI said gg to me the other day instead of the usual "I shall abdicate"
>map is not arena or socotra>I altf+f4 and restart
>>430843damn that's a long time to wait in a lobby
>>433323i only played socotra once and i hated it. he lamed my boar :(
>>431344>>432653just that, its not a big deal
>>423729the LSs have terrible movespeed and HP
>>433460>go Socotra once>enemy is Inca>ohboyherewego>he lames my elephant, tries to palisade my berries>then tower rushes>still loses
>>433460It can get much, MUCH worse
>>402950Maybe it's not the game, maybe you're just retarded.
>>410518I feel too retarded to effectively use organ guns.
>>433653The LS could just tank the shots since skirms need 30 shots to kill a LS, while crossbows only need 15 shots. Unless you heavily outnumber your opponent, going for skirms to kill LS is generally a pretty bad idea.
>>433741you need:1. enough organ guns to 1shot everything2. a healthy sprinkle of halberdiers to catch stray paladins3. a handful of bombard cannons to snipe enemy siege
>>410255I love Geonese crossbows desu, they shred paladinfags in a fancier way than pikemen do
What monk stuff is worth to research?
>>434056redemption
>>434056fervor to pick up relics faster
>>434063>>434082What if I want to make a monk push?
>>434085redemption
>>434085sanctity
call the cops, I don't give a fuck
>>434188based and drushpilled
>>434188Persian player typed those words.
>>434188PLEASE STOP ATTACKING ME. I JUST WANTED TO PLAY SIM CITY IN A RANKED MATCH
>>434236doot doot
>>433741Got to micro it kinda like scorpions, down the middle where it is crowded, when you get enough of them everything dies
>>433919>Black forest>>434056>>434085Sanctity, redemption, atonement can pay off if he has a lot of monks. In imp block printing and theocracy.
>>433854considering LSs will just be walking and dying, it'll take micro and be annoying, but the LSs will won't be able to do shitthat is, as long as you micro, otherwise you're fucked
>>434350just nest it and be comfy
What's the worst map and why is it Black Forest?
>>434833>>434188
>>434833bog islands sucks dirty ass
>>434833Lemme guess, fought fatslob?
>>434921>t. clown
>>434833Amazon tunnel, arena, team islands, that water migration map
>>434985i’m mentally well i just don’t like getting lamed
>>434833Kilimanjaro and/or acropolis, playing ranked on those was cancer. There's open maps and then there's maps without any fucking woodlines at all
>>434833Water nomad.
>>434833Arabia
>>434921there is a huge overlap between arena and socotra afficionadosm horseshoe theory
>>436452>afficionadosm horseshoe theorywot
>>436501it makes sense
>>436543Care to explain?
>>436545im not him so no
>>435390Atacama is atrocious
>>435390Kilimanjaro and acropolis aren't that bad I would also say Atacama is bad. African clearing also feels terrible and antithetical to nomad concept
>>434833you just simply cant make a worse map than Water Nomad or Bog Islands manKilimanjaro was fucking terrible too
>>436749For once Chinese bonus of demo ships is super relevant
>>410722Remember to always be creating villagers. Your forum can never be idle. If you need inspiration on where to send villagers. To queue a villager at any point in the game, press H then Q.Please get a medal in art of war to learn more about the game.
>axeman F tier>gbeto F tier>elephant archer A tier>conquistador D tier>arambai D tiernice bait
>>433648Hi Sniper_Wolf
>>433648Ah, so it's like what they do in AoE3 but without the hammy accents, just hammy shakespearean.
>>401631>dogshit AI in this game makes me attack the closest unit, instead of the archers i am supposed to be fightingt. never been in a trash war
>>443606Elephant Archer needs to be replaced.I don't know with what, but it does.
>>447215elephant onager
Unironically make it happen. High HP, no min range seige onager that can clear trees>but that's OP and it never existed in real lifeJust make it more expensive lmao and it's not like they never bent the realism before. Injuns never had trebuchets and the chu ko nu wasn't used in war
>>447344Meant for >>447240
>>447215keep it but remove the guy on top and make the elephant fire arrows out of its trunk
The Snek did it again
>>447737that last game was pretty sick
>>447344that would be bad for the elephant's back :(
>>447795Indeed mate
>>401631Learn to micro. Also archers also attack closest unit. Thats why rams are a good counter
>>447240>>447681based.
