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Are you guys going to get the Steam release of Dwarf Fortress?

BTW, Dwarf Fortress is the best strategy game of all time and you're not going to convince me otherwise

https://youtu.be/9RKl2p7f3SY
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>last update at the end of february
>every single blog post since has been about graphics shit for the paid version of the game
myths and magic update never ever
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Steam version is just the community noob pack repackaged
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Why modders are so retarded?
Why when they add races they start inventing some dumb shit. It always goes like this:

>orks
>halfings
Then suddenly
>wizards
>clerics
>vampires
>boyscouts

The fuck is this, how can a race be all clerics or especially wizards
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I've been out of the loop for a while, is the dwarfconomy back or is it still on indefinite hold?
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>>268052
Steam release>magic>some other shit toady comes up with>.....>economics

I already abandoned hope toady would stop for a second to fix his FUCKING BUGS GODDAMIT

No, instead this autist is wasting months by now on UI

DF will never be fixed, and economy aint coming ever too
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>>268054
That sucks. The dwarfconomy, even in its quirky broken state, was my favourite part of the older Dwarf Fortress versions.
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>>267979
>giving money to toady so he can donate it to tranny charities and BLM
>ever
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>>267979
I noticed the vegetation was reduced and its not just a tileset change. Generally not my thing and I'm sticking with classic.
>>268044
It has to be because of the way spheres work.
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>>268166
The big trees were kinda my cutoff point. What was the purpose of making trees drop like 90 pieces of wood?
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>>267979
>Are you going to get the Steam release of Dwarf Fortress?
Highly unlikely, unless it somehow greatly improves on the free version. Then I'll pirate it.
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>>267979
I'll get a copy but considering the stuff about the devs im not buying
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>>268660
Redpill me on this
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>>268563
>>268166
I for one like the big trees, they look cool
I just wish toady fixed his bugs, but the basedboys at bay12 are so submissive i think they facilitated toady developing superiority complex
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>>267979
no because toady went batshit insane and i have no interest in vanilla anymore as a result
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>>268563
big trees were a big improvement imo but they should give less wood
maybe 1/3rd or even 1/5th of what they give now
small trees were too often a problem if you wanted to do much with wood at all and big trees are cool and you can live in them
id still rather toady made his game work and added some sort of economy instead of stupid shit nobody cares about
i swear, the faggots who simp for toady have ruined the prospects of df ever being really good because, if hes allowed to choose, toady will waste all his time modelling the colour of leaves in legends and the precise age and vintage of wine instead of important things
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>>268914
What happened?
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>>268939
iirc he dated a tranny but it boils down to him living in an echo chamber where he is tantamount to a god and can do no wrong
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>>268939
Dunno what the batshit thing is about but long story short for DF is that he has stopped listening to people about ideas (or maybe he never listened) and is now dead-set on making legends mode a story generator and has completely dropped work on fort or adventure mode.
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>>268922
I don't have a problem with big trees on the surface, but the roots and holes they leave behind are pains to fix.
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Yeah, I'll probably pick up on steam. I've gotten so many hours out of it already. I've been playing 34.11 all this time, since at that time updating would bork sieges or something. I think i'll load the game up again and play around. It's been awhile.

>>268946
>completely dropped work on fort
well shit.
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>>268845
Really? People haven't stopped demanding multi-threading or anything like that so its really hard to tell. From the sounds of things Toady simply started listening to progressives that physically attend events he goes to that he was already friends with. Which is how the poison usually spreads to indies.
Its news to me that Toady wants to only work on legends mode now though, nothing in legends mode actually happens or plays out in fortress mode or adventurer mode. It is probably the most disconnected mode between the things that you can do.

I'd wager its probably because of Kruggsmash since he incorporates legends mode in his videos.
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>>268955
>>268986
The legends only thing might be wrong. It was from a discussion on here a couple of months ago so you aren't only trusting anon, but the faulty memory of an anon of what different anons said.
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>>268922
>big improvement imo but they should give less wood
>maybe 1/3rd or even 1/5th of what they give now
I agree, OR the other way would be to have them made into boards first
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>>268942
wait, where's that tranny rumor coming from?
On other hand, I understand if true, roasties are probably repulsed by toady. Poor man.
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>>268986
>>268996
Legends mode is crucial for DF fun, but it won't work without actual dwarf fortress mode being properly fixed//

I agree with those anons who want economy, as toady is adding fucking crutches instead
But imaigine toady doing economy. It will come down to fucking serial numbers on printed cash or some other autist stuff.
And all of it would be good if he fixed the game first at least fucking hell
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>>269168
literally who
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>>269168
why
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>>268097
only on 4chins would you find someone opposed against indirectly supporting a charity
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>>269168
That guy is still around? How? Why?
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>>269006
>Legends mode is crucial for DF fun
no it really isnt; not in the way toady wants it to be
toady is only working on df mode in order to sell df now. His main interest has always been building his own pet world simulator
toady would rather simulate what type of cheese the queen of spikey cupcakes likes in legends, even though that has literally zero impact on the game, than he would add functioning currency: this is toady autism
im almost certain hes openly admitted to only playing fort mode to test things because he is far more interested in legends but legends, for literally everyone else, is just randomly strung together words they watched df generate but for him it IS fort mode on steroids - he indirectly creates every instance of legends but this is something only he does which is why its shit and nobody who isnt autistic even uses it
>>269003
its just a rumour but it would explain why toady went out of his way to add gay dwarfs and animals which only ever serves to be annoying when your animals wont breed
i mean its just absurd that your plans to breed cows and investing significant embark resources into them can be fucked because your bull turned out to be asexual
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>>268660
>but considering the stuff about the devs im not buying
What?
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>>269226
>why toady went out of his way to add gay dwarfs and animals
What really?
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>>269262
something from google
https://www.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/2h5t7d/psa_animals_not_breeding_they_might_be_asexual_or/
ill be honest and say i havent updated to actually experience this but ive seen enough stories to believe its true
gay dwarfs was one (wholly unnecessary retarded) thing but animals is a whole other level of moronic
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>>267979
Yes I want to give them monies. Not sure ill play it though. My DF phase was years ago
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>>269268
he said he was going to add tranny dorfs, too, but seems to have since pussed out on it.
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>>268922
>and the precise age and vintage of wine instead of important things

>he doesn't want this in dwarf fortress
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>>267979
Yep. The UI and graphics kept me from trying this game but it seems awesome, can't wait to play it.
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>>268012>>267979


its looking fucking great, it is just beyond graphics
now its going to have a proper HUD and UI with clickable buttons and shit, with word search for inventories and building materials

fucking rad
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>>269205
fuck off fag, imagine thinking most charities aren't scams
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>>269205
Charities are primarily for money laundering, and whatever goes to those shitholes the charities fund will end up being pennies because corruption is normal and part of doing business.
>>269429
His fans who praise him a lot weren't too happy about the gay dwarves when that came out either, especially since the ratios were not realistically accurate. He might just incorporate the change just before the next big wait.
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>>269456
no i dont because its bullshit that does nothing
its just randomly generated text
the game is fundamentally broken but instead of real important features toady's list of priorities is just various ways of sniffing his own farts
if there was a meaningful economy and a way to vintage wine then, sure, it could be added but this wouldnt be what happened. It'd just be "this wine is from the bulbous melon year" appended onto the description of drinks that means precisely nothing
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>>269429
>>269761
There are tranny dwarves already, you see them via Dorf Therapist
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>>269226
Legends mode starts playing role after you had a fortress for a year or so. Suddenly all these stories now have context within your dwarven civilization.
Now, the problem is, as with all features Toady adds, they are bugged as hell and the only workaround is not to use them - see: Raiding.
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>>270109
while youre not entirely wrong i think youre giving it way more credit than its due
legends makes ai dungeon look like shakespeare
and its still totally uninteresting and shit. I would much rather have tangible changes to trading relations, refugees or maybe pretenders seeking support come to my fort and tell a story through interaction than have to quit out and trawl through legends the majority of which is just bullshit nonsense
toady is more interested in things like raiding as a concept than actually making them do anything
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>>269205

charity for charity's sake is worthless, just throwing money at people not only does not solve a single problem but worse it robs them of the chance to fix it, the only thing charity does is make people dependent on others, any money that you did not earn through your work has no value
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>>270559
lol
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>>270559
>he's never seen a charity do something good for someone
>if a house burns down charities down help
>if a tornado kills your husband charities don't help
>if you get cancer or have a chronic illness charities don't help

Point. Point at this man and laugh.
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>>270692

>Insurance
>Insurance and also there is no charity for that since nobody gives a shit and anybody telling you there is one is scamming you
>Insurance and proper health care from non shithole countries

you are just a naive moron who thinks people give a shit about others and throws away money that has no value to you since they are the scraps you don't need for the sole purpose of feeling good with yourself

if you want to help people give them jobs, oportunities, education, throwing money and shit their way is just a worthless thing you do when you have money to spare and want to feel good with yourself thinking you are a good person when in reality you don't give a shit

but since none of you idiots ever lived around "people in neeed" you will never know what those people are actually like, this comes from somebody who lives in a 3rd world shithole and actually interacts with all those people looking for charity
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>>270706
listen, mr. american, just fuck off
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>>270715

good try but i'm not from burgerland you naive fuck
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>>270715
you didn't even read his post you liberal cockmunch
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>>270731
yes i didnt lol
it was too long anon
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>>270715
rent free, faggot
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>>268939
/dfg/ threw a bitchfit when he turned out to be a liberal.
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>>270947
made me wonder: is it marxism though? Who even owns means of production in dwarven fortress? It is more like planned primitivism, given there's no economy of sorts
dwarves just do the job whenever they want to and even if they won't they'd still eat 25 =*fat bisquits*=
if not the goodwill of dwarves to occasionally go and do something there's no way to force them
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>>269594
>He doesn't use df hack
>He doesn't use lazy new pack

Shame on you
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>>270983
dwarf fortress is like an ideal commune although there still is a hierarchy what with the existence of managers and nobles
in a sense, it isnt far removed from how some ancient communities lived (until your fort grows to a significant population) but i really think this is because toady couldnt get money to work more than it is dwarf fortress being some ideallised proto-socialist vision of what couldve been
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>>270947
>creates game called LIBERAL CRIME SQUAD
>turns out o be a liberal
Woah...
He fooled us all...
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>>271227
Yeah, really activates the ol' almonds.
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>>270706
Oh so you live in a 3rd world country. That's why you're such a dumb nigger. When I was a teen, my entire neighborhood got blown away by a tornado. Several people had enough money to buy new houses with their insurance, but it took them ages to get insurance money because they were processing the thousands of people affected. Charities fed everyone in the neighborhood for weeks while insurance was processed and people spent time looking for their dead in the wreckage. I don't know what type of double nigger thinks charities don't do anything.
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Steam release will kill the game - it's already begun. Was a fun ride while it lasted though.
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>>270947
fucking kek'd hard
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>>271362
Why? don't be like that, pay off Toady medical bills bro.

I want to keep toady alive, so i will buy the premmy version, even if it's basically the same, hell, i even bought unreal world steam version so i could help Ulrik gastrointestinal cancer treatment
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>>271374
Fuck off, he's making more money than ever on average month-to-month without trying to appeal to braindead steam casuals. Prepare for the snail-paced content updates to become shitloads of QoL stuff because people who barely have two IQ points to rub together want "le epic dorf stories"! I hope I'm wrong, but I fucking KNOW that I'm right.
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>>271405
I actually hope that money will make him fix the game when all those negative "it's bugged as shit" reviews will start coming in
Otherwise, do you really think that bay12 redditor fags are any better than steam audience?
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>>271405
DF ain't that hard anyways my man, also, I'm sure pretty sure that double digit IQ mouth breathers will grow some brain cells while playing it.

please, don't just focus in the negative, think of the positive it could bring! = Toady healthy, more bug fixes, more work, modding community (Full workshop integration) breathing new life into the game
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>>271417
Bay12 faggots are insufferable. I've played Baystation ss13 server and holy shit, i barely believe those people function as human beings
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>>271359

>disaster fund
>charity

you are the dumb nigger that cannot understand those are completely different things, even dumber since you think that any money donated to charity actually reaches anybody in 99% of cases, you got fucking saved by a most likely government funded program and think that it was the oh so benevolent people from all around the world that sent you food when they don't even know you exist
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>>271435
Disaster fund comes from the government my dude. This was a real honest to God charity.
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>>271423
My concern has nothing to do with the illusory difficulty of the game and more with Toady wasting time trying to sift his spaghetti code to make it more and more accessible.
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>>271435
Well it was called eight days of hope. It's registered as a non-profit charitable organization. So suck it you triple nigger.
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>>271423
>modding community (Full workshop integration)
Are you retarded? All you're doing is editing raws by triggering keywords for token functions. Integrating steam workshop into that will kill DF modding completely.
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>>271417
>people who barely have two IQ points to rub together want "le epic dorf stories"!
this is exactly what its going to appeal to though
toady is never going to fix his game much less add anything depthful or interesting like an economy
>>271423
df has never been hard
the filter has always been the ui and the fact that most people arent willing to play an ascii game or even df with a texture pack
neither has the game ever been remotely difficult to mod. Workshop integration and steam will bring a relatively massive new audience but its not going to be an audience who want an autistic colony simulator (which for me has always been the appeal of df) or even an immersive adventure mode - its going to be an audience there for memes and to show off how smart they are for playing le super hard game
just like with ck2
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>>267979
I am definitely going to play it. I played and tried to learn the game a bit years ago - it has a lot of potential and I really like the procedural generated stuff, but I did not like the UI, which I hear is getting fixed a bit.
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>>271824
>is getting fixed a bit.
You mean "there's actually going to be a UI this time"
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>>271774

so you just wanted it to remain "le sekrit nerd club"??

Bah

Ive played it with pure ASCII and tilesets and I prefer tilesets.
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>>272184
You fellate Steam Workshop, dude. Steam Workshop deletes mod files when the modder takes their mods down. This is by design to gatekeep and memory hole mods so they do not leave Steam circles. For small changes to .txt files its actually really simple and easy to to just backup your Raws, but for the overhaul mods that is essentially deleting your game. Combined with the high bar of entry to do the very heavy modding because of all the trial and error you have to do most of what you're envisioning simply won't happen.
As far as modding is concerned anyways.

Most people hyped for Dwarf Fortress want to recreate what is famous which is essentially Boatmurdered, Elf King Cacame, and tantrum spirals with stupid Dorfs.
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>>272391
Is there a source for that info?
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>>271135
Assuming this new UI is good and user friendly and the search function works great, Lazy Newb Pack will be outdated.
I for one am excited for Adventure Mode with graphics.
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>>272407
>Is there a source for that info?
This is from /dfg/. There was some talks about the case that some brainless fans made the religion from DF, one troll put this text.
But it seems to be originally this epic text from the bay12forum.
So, haven't direct link(
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>>272184
i couldnt give a shit how many people like the game but i do care what kind of people like it
its not about elitism: its about wanting the game to be taken seriously and having an audience who pull in the right direction instead of wanting epic funny maymays and superficial depth
i also play with tilesets. Not sure why you brought this up. 2d games like this do filter a lot of people by their presentation alone and that was all i was saying
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>>272596
anon, in all seriousness, I think you're mistaken thinking that DF audience as it is now or in the last 2-3 years is by any means better, smarter, has better taste, or anything like this.
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>>267979
for me, it's Kruggsmash
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>>272596
zealots at bay12games are fucking sick
really can't say anything bad about the game aside from UH OH LOOKS LIKE MY URIST MCMORON DID SOMETHING DUM DUM
(452 replies)
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>>272706
same
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>>272706
>Kruggsmash
I can't say anything bad about his paintings.
But, anons, how do you even listen his voice?
Absolutely bogus timbre, which is just painful to hear.
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>>272691
no, i know how awful it is even if i havent really accepted it
>>272723
is completely true
that doesnt mean i want it to get worse though
the fact is, dwarf fortress still is unmatched in its own little genre (to the point where games like rimworld will typically be described as dwarf fortress but-) and there is an incredible foundation for a game
the problem is the actual game is pitifully barebones and toady has no intention of ever making it anything more. Even basic things like commanding your squads can never be more than kill orders and vague move orders
so much of this is impossible for modders to fix too even if they can add complex supply chains
tranny dwarfs are just the final insult
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>>273223
>the problem is the actual game is pitifully barebones and toady has no intention of ever making it anything more. Even basic things like commanding your squads can never be more than kill orders and vague move orders
spot on, anon
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>>273223
>Even basic things like commanding your squads can never be more than kill orders and vague move orders
I don't understand why patrols would be so hard to implement. I mean even Gnomoria had that and that game is barebones as hell.
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>>273276
what's the point of patrols though?
I mean you can organize patrols in DF (via burrows & schedule) it's just done through ass and I never understood why I need to patrol the fort map
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>>273290
Yeah I guess, I'd just like to have a crossbowdwarf or two do the rounds on the ramparts so that I could discover invaders early with a military dwarf.
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>>273309
you can do that, there's patrol schedule in DF
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>>273316
Oh, I'm just a retard then. Haven't played since DF2014 was the latest patch so I have probably forgot some stuff.
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>>269205
>giving money to trannies or niggers
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>>272797
I've heard much worse and he is so far the only one who did timeskips when he did steelclutches. If he is barely watchable to you then many others will be completely unwatchable.
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>>269205
>supporting a domestic terrorist organization that has instigated mass rioting, looting, assault, murder and arson is a charity
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>>272442
>adventure mode with graphics
Tilesets are already a thing and there's literally nothing to be excited about for adventure mode until it isn't a fucking broken mess anymore so never. Why the fuck aren't any animals aggressive anymore? Giant elephants run away from me like little bitches.
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>>269205
>give nogs in Africa money so they can have a well in the village
>nogs get well
>ONE YEAR PASSES
>nogs have been using the well as a garbage dump and a drinking source and are now worse off than they were
Charities are only good if something good comes out of them - most are outright moneymaking schemes or are hopelessly useless.
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>>272797
I worked with somalians and jamaicans. I can listen to anything now.
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>>269205
>people donate money to you
>give it away
>"oh noes i hab no monies i must now sell my game to pay for my healthcare"
i couldnt give a shit what toady does with his cash so long as he isnt going to then play some poor me im so poor card
if youre so fucking poor dont throw your money into a black hole
i dont believe him anyway - he makes plenty of money from patreon alone
hes just a greedy nigger
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>>274285
what do you mean, toady gave those monies away?
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>>268044
That one guy Kruggsmash features in his videos is pretty good though

I'll admit most modders are retarded however. Not even DF, just most in general
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>>274866
Thats what giving to charity is anon.
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>>267979
Absolutely not. I have zero interest in a paid tileset and the development of dorf fort has pretty much died as Toady is now focused more on raising money, giving interviews and adding gay donkeys.
The already slow development pace has turned absolutely glacial and most of what he's released in the recent years was just random text generators that don't translate into any worthwhile gameplay whatsoever. At this pace we'll see magic or the return of economy in 2040.
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>>267979
Anyone like me here who only plays Adventure Mode and don't give a shit about Fortress?
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>>275908
I seriously don't get how you can care about current adventure mode. It seems so shallow and broken. What do you do in it?
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>>275911
Actually, I haven't played Adventure Mode in years, but it was the only mode I cared about. And it is the only mode I want the dev to work on, I really don't give a shit about Fortress.
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>>275920
Well I don't particularly care about adventure mode but an improvement to one is an improvement to the other. If toady would work on either I'd be happy, but he is being autistic and is working on neither, because nothing in legends mode matters.
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>>267979
I'll probably buy it, there's support for vanilla graphics since I hate tilesets and I can fund Toady's autism at the same time, he deserves it.
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>>267979
I'm not paying money for a janky 15 FPS user interface on top of a tileset.
Anno 2020 and this guy is showing off the ability to use the mouse and drag to create a rectangle
I moved on to Rimworld years ago, it's fucking amazing how much that guy has done in the time since.
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>>276126
>Anno 2020
I'd say that it's about fucking time to add the ability to use a mouse and drag to create a rectangle.
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>>275576

>paid tileset

false
is an entire UI overhaul, read the newest dev posts
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>>276389
the free version of DF is still getting updated and will receive the UI overhaul no? last i checked the game would still be free to download via the bay 12 site, just without the new graphics, but other fixes and updates still apply
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>>276538

not sure bro, but surely it will include something, otherwise it would be forking the game into two different official versions
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I wouldn't mind to pay money for the game but not in the current state.
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>takes toady literally years to make a ui
does this confirm him for a hack? dwarf fortress is his full time job and hes either outrageously lazy or utterly useless
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>>277324
Calling him a hack would imply he claims to be a better programmer then he actually, which he doesn't.
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Reminder that Toady literally thinks defunding the police is a good idea
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>>277468
It is though, cities will depopulate themselves.
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>>277468
>known liberal holds liberal thoughts
No way....
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>>278055
But didn't he make a game mocking this mindset
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>>278120
>making fun of your own political leanings isn't possible
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>>277468
defunding the police doesnt mean what you are implying it means, its already been discusssed to hell and back in the internet. but I will concede that the name is misleading.
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>>278533
too bad most people who support the movement support exactly what the name states, which deflates your argument somewhat
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>>277468
I honestly don't give a shit about his retarded leftist politics; I care about whether his interesting fantasy simulator gets meaningful progress which seems less and less likely as time goes on.
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>>278585

no anon, no
youre attacking strawmen
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>>278120
It's more like mocking the mindset that you can enact positive social change by shooting innocent people.
Which is a real mindset, though obviously not a common one. Antifa got nothing on SLA.
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>>278595
Myth and magic arc coming right after the Steam release.
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>>276538
In theory, in reality the free version always ends up being put to the side for the paid version.
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>>278695
>time since the myth generator: four years
>progress made since then: zero
Just a little bit longer
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>>279238
The Apocalypse will already begin and end by the time Toady is finished.
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>>279238
Toady is a slow fucking programmer
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>>279330
I mean some people considered corona an apocalyptic event right when it was rearing up, so so long as he doesn't get myths out before it's declared over I think this will be achievable.





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