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Started playing this again.
Have you guys tried it?
Has the mem leaks been fixed?
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>>267725
is this a civ clone only set in ancient era? looks interesring
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>>267770
>a civ clone
well not only that, but developed by one the main leads devs on civ4, so it is indeed a good reference
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>>267725

what's with the noggess
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>>267725
is it out of early access yet
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What game is that? Is that the one in exclusive EA on CinkEpic store?
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>>267926
do you want me to chew for you too?

>>267864
nope, doesn't mean you can't play it
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the map is very well, it seems you can have custom limits on pre-made maps (instead of needing a full playable rectangle
does anyone remember how you integrate barbs?
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do all the civs use the same units or are their unique models/types?
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>>268447
they do
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>>268454
they do*
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>>268447
>does anyone remember how you integrate barbs?
I last played months ago, but I think at that time you needed your faction leader to be a Diplomat or something like that. You would get an option on your Ambassador to offer an alliance to a tribe you're already at peace with. Then you can just waltz your settler right over to one of their tiles and settle there, for a legitimacy cost
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I'll play it when it comes to Steam.
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>>269270
yeah I remember something like too, it needs an alliance, but I'm not sure how
I'll try it again later
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alright started anew
pro-tip: if you're learning, either go with easy mode, or disable advanced AI start
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>pieface
so this girl, I've found as a baby in a Ruin, brought up as my daughter, legitimized, inherited the throne
the chosen one much?
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whopsie
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>baby found mysteriously in ruins
>marries a Gaul
>manages alliance
long live the queen of the barbs
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reminder to always change succession to male favored
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What civs are playable?
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>>271343
Assyria, Babylonia, Carthage, Egypt, Greece, Persia, Rome. Each civ has unique sets of portraits/clothing for their characters, which I assume is why the civ list is shorter
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>>271130
yeah, whats up with that, is it a setting in the config?
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>>271495
You can change it in the game settings before you start. I think you can even change it mid-game too, for some reason, like there is an actual mechanic for changing your gender succession law
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>>271507
I don't remember seeing it anymore, and there is a law succession change in the game, but only between primogeniture and that stuff
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>>271507
indeed, you just have to remember its in the advanced game setup
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that butt loaded barbarian island,
also butt loaded gaul city
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but overall, its going pretty damn well
you have limited space and resources, so you legit have to consider your options
judaism just sprouted in one of Capua, soon followed by Christianity in Rome, well done game
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>>270502
lads will be lads
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>>273608
Does the Vesuvius ever do its thing?
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>>273608
>Turn 57
>Carthage hasn’t been deleted yet
What are you doing senpai!
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>>274078
I'm still waiting for it, but I do think it does through a random event eventually

>>274097
why delete anything, also have you ever played this game?
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>>274167
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carthago_delenda_est
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>>274176
good, so you indeed haven't played the game
normally the game start with AI civs having a bit move development than the player, with more starting cities, more units, it basically makes it impossible to steamroll them earlier on
and even then if they not have that advantage, combat is far from trivial, turn 57 has no timeframe at all on fully conquering another civ
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>>267725
Yeah I like old world quite a bit. The systems are very compelling. I've tried and succeeded at a number of different strategies, but also failed at a number of them.

I'll give some brief tips for civ players getting into old world:

1. Cities produce growth, training and civics. It's best to try and specialise one of these per city. They decide essentially the production speed.
Whichever type you are building, means the other two types of production go into overflow.
These three production types are hard to increase. You need specific upgraded food staples for growth, barracks and other military improvements for training and forum or upgraded marble for civics.


Growth builds settlers, workers, disciples and emergency military (militia). Overflow goes into growing number of citizens of the city. Unlike civ games, citizen growth has low value. Every 10 pop gives an extra order. They also eat food and cost money for some reason.
Pops are great inside a sages house, because they all give 1 tech, even if not upgraded.

Training builds military units. Overflow gives training which can be used for forced march, upgrading existing military units or buying extra orders.

Civics builds specialists and improvements. You need both tiles upgraded by workers and citizens from growth to make specialists. The value of specialists can vary a lot. All specialists give tech as well as other stuff.

If you have any city near marble or even better multiple marble tiles, you really need to make it a civics city. Marble specialist gives a really good amount of civics, which is hard to get in the first place (in cities).

I find that you have to make a lot of decisions organicly based on type of barbarians and civs nearby, which is pretty good.

So far I find babylonia and egypt the most interesting to play. Assyria and Rome have clearcut military strategies, carthage is shit and Greece is fun, but easymode

It's a shame that the guy's wife who does the art is an SJW.
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>>275661
As for how to develop your royal line:

You can use orders to find a suitable partner for any 18+ character. This will happen automatically in a couple of years if you don't do it yourself, which is good for newbies, but better to just immediately get married.

I've had marriages where I just don't get kids. You can divorce, remarry. Sometimes I just get 3 kids back to back after that. I think there is a hidden fertility stat besides yhe visible ones.

The quality of a ruler has a huge effect.
The 4 stat qualities, wisdom, courage, discipline and charisma, all have their uses. Courage is probably the least valuable for a ruler, but the most valuable for a general. And you only get a couple of generals, so most of the time you make your ruler one anyways.

Most important to know is that progression isn't linear. A leader with 4 wisdom produces more free tech than twice what a leader with 2 wisdom would produce.

This means that it's good to try and specialise leaders and that you are likely to end up playing an era of building under one leader and an era of technology under another.

If you have tutors, that has a good chance of improving children being raised. Tutors are any courtiers that don't have another job (governer, general, chancellor etc.).

If you have money, you can pay them to ensure that they have a tutor event every 3 years per tutor. This will usually increase stats and can help prepare really good future rulers.
It's one of the best investments I've made in the game, but it's hard to setup and not cheap.

It's best to abdicate throne immediately when they turn 18 so that you can have your alexander the great golden age under your prodigy heir. And yes it's rusky because even great rulers can quickly die if unlucky. Pretty rare, though.
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>>275688
How to win.

There are a number of ways to win. The game is capped at 200 years. At first I disliked the idea of there being a limit to the game, but since every playthrough is a lot more different than civ, it works well. Even the same nation can be played so different.

For those that don't know, every nation has 4 houses. Every time you found a city you choose which house gets to rule that city. Every house has different bonuses. And you can only found 3 out of 4 houses ever playthrough.

An egypt without their military "riders" house will likely be a very defensive builder strategy, whereas an egypt without their builder "clerics" house will be a much more aggresive nation.

Persia, rome and assyria will still do aggression better. Rome's military production is nust nuts. Greek will also do a good military game because you start with alexander the great as an heir.

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Wonders

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Wonders are a noob trap. They're not very good right now. They do unlock special abilities, some of which are decent, like the oracle tech redraw. But they are expensive and can deplete your bank of resources and limit production.

The ways to win are:

Points
Ambitions
Conquering
Diplomatic
Time (points)

I have no idea how diplomatic works, because I'm not interested in winning that way.
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>>275724

If you complete 10 ambitions you win, but each ambition is progressively harder. Ambitions also give legitimancy, which gives orders, which makes them valuable.

You get points for controlling cities. The more advanced cities are, the more points. Wonders also gives 2 points each. The players with the most points wins after 200 years, or if a player reaches the full point goal, or if a player has at least half the full point goal and twice as much points as the runner up.

Ambitions can be gamed a bit, but not without risk. When a new character becomes ruler, the old ambition is retained as legacy, but the new character starts an own ambition. This way you can get multiple ambitions simultaneously and complete ambitions quicker. Therefor trying to win through ambition can utilise early abdication to get more ambitions.

The problem is that quick abdication means you always have low legitimancy, thus low orders, which means it's hard to control your military + workers + scouts.
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>>275730
Still really strong, though if you can manage the disadvantages.

That's my favorite ways of using wonders. If you time it right, you can make sure the wonder is finished in the year after a new ruler gets the throne. The wonder gives a huge legitimancy bonus, especially for a new ruler.

I had some 200 hours into this game before I even touched religion. It's kinda interesting and I haven't figured it all out yet.

Either religion compliments a normal game by giving some free unhappiness suppression, or it can be build as military or culture boost, or if specialising in religion (pick a nation with cleric house, and build that city as first city).

Specialising in religion is almost a different game. You'll want to optimise religious buildings built by disciples as well as the religious wonder. Religious game demands heavy expansion as the religious wonder gives bonuses per city and each of the religious worker upgrades can only be built once per city.

There might be value to having as many religions as possible, I might try that in a future run.

The tooltips of this game are really good. Hold shift so you can hover over any popup keyword.
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>>270218
>pieface actually chooses to tutor instead of teaching your kid to throw shit at peasants
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>>267770
Pretty much. Most important new feature is that units move 1-4 tiles per order and depending on circumstance can receive 3 orders per turn, or 6 orders if forced march.

This means you get to make choices which units move. On the one hand having just a couple of units can get them to any combat front in one or two turns. On the other hand it has a cost to get them there. If you have standing armies at each front, you don't have to pay huge orders to get them to a fight.

It's a very satisfying system.
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>>269274
It is funded for being an epic store exclusive so likely never.

You can pirate, tho.
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>>270214
I like that various barbs are quite dangerous. You actually do want to wipe them out or make truces with them, because they can fuck your shit up.
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>>274281
It's the obligatory Carthage must be destroyed meme. ;_;
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>>275661
beta tester verifying that this is a very good guide
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When it is on steam and gog I'll give it a whirl when it is like $12 for everything
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>>274281
He was just making a joke, anon
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>>275752
Let me rephrase: I'll play it when it comes to Linux, which means I'll play it when it comes to Steam.

Hopefully the Epic exclusivity only lasts for 1 year, so I'll be able to play it on Steam in 6 months.
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>>276229
Thanks fren

What you think of the game so far?
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>>276430
I get that. Epic store crashes for me, so I can only pirate the game, but as soon as I can buy it somehow I probably will. Most fun I had with a strategy game since SMAC.
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>>275724
>The game is capped at 200 years
>epic store exclusive
>epic store
stop bumping your shitty thread, faglord.
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>>276752
As a straight 4X game it's great, and they've really found a way to make 1UPT work. I do think the game undersells on its "civ meets crusader kings" promise with the roleplaying/character mechanics, but then again at the end of the day the devs had to choose whether to be primarily a 4X or a roleplaying game. And 4X is in Soren's blood so it makes sense which side he would lean more heavily on.

Wonders still being an underwhelming noob trap is one of the few big issues that has been there from the very beginning, idk why they can't make the wonders have more exciting effects.
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>>275661
>It's a shame that the guy's wife who does the art is an SJW.

que?
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>>276788
Long story short the lead dev's political activist wife insinuated herself into the game's development, and entirely predictably ended up gutting half of the dev team who refused to play along with her bullshit.

https://twitter.com/SorenJohnson/status/1277284919019016193

It's all there if you really want to waste some precious time reading Soren's attempt to justify all of it.
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>>274281
i love the autism in this post
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>>276430
works fine on linux tho
wine with dxvk
besides the usual unity loss of focus shit
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>>276788
The discord is open to anyone from their site.

I don't see much problems of it in the game so far, but I don't know if she's on a short enough leash or not to keep from ruining the game.
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>>276876
jesus, I now hate twitter text walls
and also, the power of pussy is strong, it can literally govern a man's life
in any way, the activism may be shit, but if the art is this good because of her then she deserves some credit,
the portraits are fucking amazing
but then finally, we know why it turned on Epic
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>>276876
>Long story short the lead dev's political activist wife insinuated herself into the game's development, and entirely predictably ended up gutting half of the dev team who refused to play along with her bullshit

Oh, I had no idea. It would explain why there is a boudica event giving you an excellent military commander, when she led her people to ruin despite outnumbering the enemy 20 to 1
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>>276944
>saying that Gal Gadot is of "Eastern European background" rather than Israeli
um sounds like soren bagged a based leb wife to me
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>>276876
>is swedish but has his name written in arabic in his twitter handle
>ends his tirade with "I love her as a husband, respect her as a leader, am in awe of her strength, and am ready to follow where she leads."
>shrill activist wife has harry potter reference in twitter bio
>multi lingual (Parseltongue but Gryffindor)
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>>277093
>is swedish
>Soren Johnson was born in Olympia, Washington
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What the hell, between that dumb prejudiced partisan cow being active in the game development and EGS exclusive it might as well not exist.
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>>276944
>her mother was Egyptian
Bullshit, Augustus and his propaganda would’ve called her out on that if that was the case.
>her descendants married Egyptians
Yeah, because they were no longer ruling Egypt so it didn’t matter. The reason why they intermarried earlier was because the Ptolemies were following pharaonic traditions. Once they’re lo longer pharaohs they don’t need to do that.
Cleopatra was an incest baby and not amount of wishful thinking will change that.
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>>276944
uhh did no one tell her that egptians were black? racist whore
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>>277093
It's written in persian, not arabic
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>>276944
yikes, hard pass on this game for me
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>>276876
>>276939
>>276944
>she's the CEO
I guess Offworld Trading Company will be the first and last game I play from them.
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>>277250
>Cleopatra was an incest baby and not amount of wishful thinking will change that.

Is that why people remarked on her nose?
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>>278112
>cleo was a cute retard gf
no wonder men died trying to win her
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>>276777
Yeah, I agree with all of that.

I wonder how much events are influenced by like/dislike and if there will be more opportunities to change that.

Last time I played Rome people ended up dying mysteriously. First the wife, then the kid, then Romulus himself, so that only Remus's bloodline was left.

I wonder if those were assassinations.
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>>276777
As for wonders, I think from a 4x perspective it's risky to have powerful wonders, since they might decide games early.
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>>278124
>in bed with Cleopatra
>she underestimates her retard strength
>crushes your bones
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>>278126
If Romulus‘ bloodline is extinct would Romans then become Remans?
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>>278141
I already suggested to the devs that Rome be renamed to Reme in this case
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>>276876
Sweet mother of mercy
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>>278780
Good on her for improving things at the company.
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>>278790
Racist and sexist hiring is bad, not an improvement.
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The weirdest thing about the tweet wall of text is that he simultaneously says she was incredibly anxious, that he didn't protect her enough, and then he ends it that he is in awe with her strength and she leads him?

I'll never get the cuck mindset.
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>>278800
Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.
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>>278790
With such "improvements" their next game will be their last.
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>>278906
One can only hope!
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>>278124

>>278134

Didn't they die not too long after winning her? The truth finally comes out. Brutus wasn't a man, it was her brute strength
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>>279226
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>>278780
hard pass on this turd
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>>278794
poor Soren
seems like he's taken the cuckhold pill
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>>279452
>>277921
The game itself is really good though. So far only one event out of the three hundred or so that I've seen is sjw-like
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Swedes are so fucking autistic i swear. all of them are like this.
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>>276939
>>276944
How can someone be so wrong about the most documented part of Ancient History.
Especially when all the good documentation was written 3 centuries ago and is in the public domain.
Romans were so xenophobic they threw their own culture out to be more Greek which at this point in time was a carcass.
>Anthony appeased the senate
Is that why they stabbed Caesar?
>Cleopatra was a NIGGER
Yes the woman described as fair skinned and the product of 3x Marrying your own sister level of Incest was secretly Alberto Barbosa cause she learned Egyptian.
Women should be shot.
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>>280033
Yeah but I ain't giving my money to a bunch of commies.
Especially when the Sword of Damocles hangs above a mediocre game that can be easily ruined.
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>>280064
I get it, I just think it is a shame. Some of the game systems should find their way into other games, they're so satisfying.

Also, saved. Love it.
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>>275747
>It's a very satisfying system.
Indeed it is. Ironically it was inspired by very unsatisfying facebook games.
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>>280064
Just pirate it.
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>>280064
i do not even mind old time commies
>stalin best leader fu
but modern one deserve one way trip to gulag on siberia
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>>280064
just pirate it, I agree that Epic store was a shitty move, they at least got their investment for the time being, if the exclusivity contract ever runs out we might give it a shot
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>>280058
>majority of ancient literature lost
>many time periods will forever remain muddy
>except the late Republic
>the one period where we have lots of historical records left
Screw that. Let’s make our own head canon instead.
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>>277693
by muhammad's shlong, calm down Lars, why getting so angry all the sudden
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>game made by racist historical revisionists and locked to the tencent store
Lole
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>>281039
>epic
a gift that keep on giving
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>>280033
yeah i bet faggot
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>>270218
>no option to join in the chase
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>>270218
>turn 16
>enormous stockpiles

Pick a harder difficulty.
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>>285108
>enormous stockpile
git gud
also, there seems to be a bug there, as if she is still being tutored for some reason
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>>285702
Yeah, bug has been fixed, just makes me laugh.
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>>286943
lmao, I've seen this one too, but it correct itselfs when you get visibility of the area
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>>286943
>that dude on the bottom left
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>>287256
Wait until you see his wife (leftmost pic on top right)

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I actually managed to make peace with my brother for the first time.

I am trying to also make peace with the Danes, but I don't have ambassadors with courage. Any ideas?
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>>287304
ugh... Roeme... What could have been
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i want to like this but the sjw shit makes it seem like it will end up some pozzed POS
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>>289611
Just pirate it you double nig
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>>289611
I've got a lot of hours into this and I struggle to think what SJW stuff there is.

The last event I got was that my daughter complained about me raiding barbarian villages all the time. I told her barbarians are there to be raided, got a boost vs. barbarians and an extra settler to colonize their spots.

In general events seem fairly balanced. It was a bit weird that I could celebrate my 25 year rule by taking a second wife as romans.

I have no idea if that would be historic for the other nations, but I'm pretty sure having a second wife bearing heirs is not common amongst Roman rulers.
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>>290325
>I struggle to think what SJW stuff there is.
Not that guy, and haven't played the game, but even the leader bios country selection screen was full stronk independent wimin and put emphasis into Philip having had a gay lover instead of any of his accomplishments. Didn't make for a good first impression.
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>>290340
>uh muh strong wymin
its not history revisionism when it was actually part of history
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>>290493
>part of history
LITERALLY tabloid-rumor tier
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And let's compare one of the stronk wimin
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>>290553
to the same on Civ 4. Almost the same info, far less obnoxiously written.
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>>290550
>I may have
I get what they were going for but it sounds silly in first person. Like Philip isn’t sure about Events from his own life.
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>>290568

look man he was young and there was a lot of wine
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>>290553
How is the writing SJW?
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>>290572
What happens in Thebes stays in Thebes.
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>>290572
Based
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>>290340
>>290325
Writing back and now for the first time reading the bio's they are all written with typical SJW inflections.

Romulus ambition is to "recast the narrative", Cyrus is great because jews called him great

Philip gay rumor and hatseput is amazing have already been mentioned.

Don't really spot anything odd in Ashurbanipal or Nebuchadnezar, but the hate boner seems to be reserved for westerners from lebanon perspective.

Honestly I have never read the bio's. Out of the thousand or so events I have seen at this point the only sjw event is when I find a great soldier named Boudica.

Still, to only have 2 out of 7 rulers be female is almost an accomplishment at this point.
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>>290553
It's somewhat reaching because there is only one strong womyn.


Also.

Bad stepdad!
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do the farms/improvements show up on the map or is it just generic city graphic? does the city graphic grow w/ pop?
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>>290955
>tfw no veiled semitic teen gf to impregnate
Ugh... Why did Rome have to win bros...
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>fucked up my reply
UGH
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>>291198
It clearly isn't finished yet. About 5% of units I've seen are in T pose. Others are animated. City graphic doesn't change, except whether it has walls or not. All improvements I've seen have their own graphic.

Camps
Lumber mills
Groves
Farms
Mines
Quarries
Odeons
Garrisons
Barracks
Archery range
Forts
Monestaries
Hamlets
Graneries

I'm forgetting a bunch. This game has a crazy amount of improvements. The only unfinished graphics for improvements I've seen are granaries and hamlets.

Like in civ 4, hamlets upgrade to villages after x turns of not being raided.

More importantly, there are advanced versions of certain improvements.

Like you could build a garrison. You'll give a defensive bonus to a tile. You'll have to pay a 2 stone upkeep for it and it produces 0.7 order (1 order is maybe worth 30 stone?).

When a city has a garrison tile, you can assign a governor if you have any available applicants, to boost the city based on their abilities.

If the city has produced sufficient culture, you can then build a second, upgraded garrison tile. This enhances the effect of the governor and gives you access to your nation's first special unit.

If your city has strong culture, you can then build a stronghold in one of the cities tiles.

Now defensive planning is valuable here. But instead you can go for economic adjecancy bonuses as these improve any adjecant barracks (tiles which give xp to melee units that idle in the tile and also produce training at iron upkeep. So barracks are great for speeding up military production)

My point is each of these variations on garrison tiles have their own improvement art. Same for odeons, amphitheatres and their upgrades.

Most surprising is how deep everything thing is. I've got about 300 hours into it at this point, and made expert officers for the first time because of an ambition. I though the point of specialist citizens was just some extra resources and tech. But this also gives XP to all units produced there.
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>>278780
link? is this fucking legit? i guess civ4 will be the last great game from johnson i will ever play
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>>291437
Whereas the master poet produces extra culture per citizen that isn't a specialist. Like I can see now a whole culture strat built on getting lots of culture through growth and a master poet.

Does anyone else feel like the local projects that city can do are the least interesting (and least valuable) thing one can build?

Forum takes a long time to pay for itself.

It seems I only build the occasional inquiry or treasury. And treasury is more to cover for mismanagement of funds than be a productive use of the city.
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>>291443
It's in the twitter wall in the post before. It's real.

You can always pirate.
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>>280121
Facebook games? Wait what? How was this delicious brain candy spawned by that stale stuff?
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>>267827
then why is it in hex tiles
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>>291437
>About 5% of units I've seen are in T pose.

Return to Tradition.
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>>291482
hexes are superior
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>>291446
Specialists were still in a bad place when I last played a few months ago, building anything besides more units in cities rarely was worth it most of the time. Good to see they've tried to make them more attractive to build
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>>292372
I read the patch notes and see they nerfed poets (static bonus, not dynamic one), because they were a bit OP.

Specialists have some really good bonuses, especially if you plan them well.

They expand all borders around the tile they're built (and if any of the new tiles are next to a resource, you get that tile as well, as usual).

Building tall in old world seems to be through specialists. It seems to be a lottle bit like buildings in alpha centauri. Don't make too many too early.

You know luxury resources? That stuff you can use to keep families happy to keep their armies morale up? You now just get them from tiles with a specialist.

All specialists give 2 tech now (so lumberjacks now give 3).

Since specialists can be rush built by hammers, I try to get one safe city focus on building just quarries and miners now. After 25 turns with just a worker, you'll have a godly amount of stone to build roads, garrisons, onagers or culture buildings. The city will also produce plenty of hammers to rush build specialists for their bonuses in cities you want producing growth or military.

It is much more efficient to have frontline cities have 30% extra training each from their elder officers and +100 exp for new units, than having your hinterland cities produce units and then use 15 orders to get them in range of the enemy.

The one thing I'm wondering now how viable tech rush strats can be. Do I really need to pick up lumbermills?
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>>292536
>You know luxury resources? That stuff you can use to keep families happy to keep their armies morale up? You now just get them from tiles with a specialist.
wut, like high level specialists create luxuries or something? Or do you mean you need specialists to work luxury resource tiles in order to activate them?
I really want to give the game a spin again, but every time I look at the patch notes there's some radical new feature or rebalance and I think maybe I should wait until the development settles down a bit
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>>291464

it's just "pay $$$ for extra moves" but instead of actual dollars you pay simoleons
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>>291443
>>276876
Here's a screenshot of the twitter conversation
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Should I make a total conversion mod?
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>>292736
>no "SHE IS THE TRAITOR AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH" option
fucking dropped
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>>292734
wait, why is the Haiga Sophia in this game? isn't it supposed to be the early classical world?
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>>293044
In the end game ( 150-175 years in) you can build it yeah. The late stage religion game allows you to build cathedrals too.

So yeah the game is taking things a bit broadly.
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>>292854
Too be honest, I fucked up when this governor was gaining power. I gave her a special status and power of archon. I guess I shouldn't have.
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>>287256
Yeah, it looks like absolutely dire photoshopping for a BG custom portrait.
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>>290550
Nice to know that being his potentially being bummed by a child molester is something which is for whatever reason something quite normal.





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