Why are people writing it off before it's even been released? A TW game set in ancient Egypt/the Bronze Age has potential for maximum kino.
>>1530041We Wuz Kangs
>toehul wah is billshit
>>1530041I'm not as down on it as some people as Ancient Egypt is one of my favourite civilisations and I really want to rebuild the New Kingdom Empire. But the fact its a full priced game and they don't have the Mesopotamian or the Minoan or Mycenaeans in makes it feel very incomplete for what they're charging. There were mods for Rome 1 that did the Bronze age better than what this looks like currently.
>>1530041It would be maximum kino if CA was able to make the gameplay good, but they haven't been able to in over a decade so people assume it's going to be the same shit.
>>1530041>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?Because Nu-CA has a reputation of not being able to do anything right
>would you build pyramids, temple or tombs?>uh, you can't have all, because building slots are limited!>uhm and this city near the sea can't have a port because something>what, in rome 1 they had separate point for ports so every reasonable city could have a port??? unbelievable..>no, no no, this city can't grow beyond this artificially set limit because it's not a provincial capital!all these voices in my head when i hear something about new total warsi can't silence them
A Bronze Age game without Babylon or Assryia is dead on arrival. Seriously Assyria should have been the third faction, not the fractured lands of Canaan
>>1530041I think they should have went back even further in time rather then focusing on the collapse.
>>1530041Because I don't find anything fun in their games anymore For me there's no redeemable factor to justify torrenting a million gigabytes of shit.
>>1530041i admit I dont know much about bronze age but it seems like such a boring setting with little to no variety
>>1530041>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?There hasn't been a good TW game since Medieval 2.
>>1530041>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?There hasn't been a good TW game since Shogun 2.
>>1530041Because CA is a shit company that for the past decade has only made mobile tier pseudo-RPGs masquerading as "strategy" games.>>1530055That autistic commie is a massive retard, btw.>>1530242No potential for DLC if they added all the relevant factions from the start.
is there Total War game where AI isnt dogshit?
>>1530558Shogun 2 and Attila.
>>1530561not interested in jap lore, hows Attila? i remember reading about horrible optimization
>>1530041fantasytrannies dont care about history
>>1530385trans>>1530391weeb
>>1530241>muh city growing in a 50 year time span gameretard
>>1530564It was bad on launch but quickly fixed, but there was such a negative attitude towards CA at the time due to the trainwreck that was Rome 2 that the oldfags just dismissed Attila forever. It runs perfectly well on my mid tier, several years old machine.It's a great game. Despite keeping some of the terrible decisions made with Rome 2 (eg.: you can only have a set number of armies) they fixed the battle system, the building system and the tech tree and made the most SOVL main campaign in the franchise's history.
>>1530373The Bronze Age has plenty of variety, CA is just holding back on the interesting factions so they can sell them as DL
>>1530558Three Kingdoms, especially the strategic AI
>>1530520>No potential for DLC if they added all the relevant factions from the start.I liked it when video games were finished on release
>>1530041>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?Weren't the last few games all shit?Why would you NOT write it off until proven otherwise?
>>1530053Fpbp
>>1530636>interesting factionsEgypt and Hittietes are by far the two most interesting ones.
>>1530041>Why are people writing it off before it's even been releasedBecause last time CA delivered, it was 2012.That was 11 years ago
>>1530636>Spearmani>Spearmani with shields>Axe-carriers>Axe-carriers with shields>Meme slingers>Bowmen>Mid-game chariots>Late game short-swordsmen>Faction variable of any listed aboveWow, such variety!
>>1530558Is there a strategy game where AI isnt dogshit?
>>1531166not enough toys, tranny?
>>1531166Except unit types in early TW games weren't any different
>>1531218>what is kensaiI fucking wish ca get back to its roots of first shogun, three kingdoms was the step in the right direction but they blundered post release support so fucking hard it is almost amazing.
>>1530574Those Attila Horse trailer's were so fucking good.
>>1530564>>1530574the game still runs like shit late game, it was supposed to get patched with the last DLC, but the last DLC became Britannia and it took all the optimization fixes with it
>>1531261at least you can literally take the optimized shader files from ToB and plop them into Attila. ToB is such a glorified DLC that some of the files for it still work in Attila.
>>1530041>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released? A TW game set in ancient Egypt/the Bronze Age has potential for maximum kino.It has potential to be a massive pile of shit
>>1530053Check you eyes
>>1530041I simply cannot understand why modern Total Wars are so popular. Warhammer 2 is barely playable after a decade of bandaids being applied onto the Warscape engine just so it can struggle with things which Medieval II and Rome do effortlessly. To top it off, their DLC policies are scandalous. Going back to Rome I after playing the newer games and watching how a unit winning a melee will actually push on its enemy makes me feel young again.
>>1531367Did you take your medication today grandpa?
No political compass no buy. Simple as mate. >>1530520>That autistic commie is a massive retard, btw.Even if he is a communist he is still willing to actually call out CAs bullshit rather than deepthroat the leftist jackboot. He provided me with many keks over his many years of work. For that he has my respect and the respect of all based anons.
>>1531397So brave, a trailblazing gaming purist, no one has ever sat on their ass and bitched and moaned about video games before. I'm sure he'll appreciate you sucking him off anon.
Because Total Warhammer is better and the only thing that would make this good is if has sea battle which it won't.
>>1530055Is he wrong? Who cares if he is a commie?
>>1530041They perfected cav in Medieval 2 and they perfected archers in Shogun 2. Instead of learning from this, putting them in one game and perfecting spearmanii as well they went and reworked battles into the most unsatisfying system their addled minds could muster. Why would anyone trust these animals?
>>1532097In what way were Cav "perfect" in medieval 2, the forgetting to charge and the slow clunky movement? What major differences could you find between archers in the total war games they all function essentially the same, just in newer ones they can no longer shoot arrows straight up.
>>1532118The impact.
>>1532125
>>1530520based and correct-pilled post
>>1530041Why is the pharaoh a nigger
>>1530041It's a reskin of Troy and the Pharaoh is a nigger for some reason.Oh, and it's made by current day CA. So you know it's going to be a disaster.
>>1532697>>1532681Why are you weirdo third world migrants so obsessed with niggers
>>1530041Rami Malek looking mofo
>>1532947I'm not even America.
>>1530041Bad practices in the last ten, maybe 15 years. TW: Warhammer made delusional a lot of people, but even there people is baiting the truth
>>1530041WE WUZ is a turn-off, Ill just play empire desu lads.
>>1530041CA spent the last 15 years on the campaign map, while stepping down on the real time battle map, witch is the real identity of the brand. There are ton of grand strategy games made by paradox that can offer the same campaign experience, but games that offer the same combat very few, I recall only gettysburg.Troy was really bad on this side and pharaoh will have the same limitations, if you make a game with limited campaign map at least the battles should be good, or the factions should be super diverse. Not the case
>>1530041> the Era is militarily boring> it would require naval combat > trade for bronze ingredients would be required as a mechanic> CA fucked up politics and trade systems> the map would be to easy, unless you implement Greeks and maybe parts of India> Late game Total War sucks since Shogun 2> CA spergs out and cuts support for new games quick> Warhammer introduced a shitty DLC policy> CA had no good launch since Fall of the Samurai> The Paraoh is a nigger, which means woke shit is in the game
>>1530564agent spam
>>1531367i don't get it tooWhat is funny i have some fun with Warham 1 back then and even some with Warham 2 but trying to get back and it simply not work for me when i can just jump to older games and get sucked in into conquest
>>1533966troy has the most diverse factions you stupid nigger
>>1530041Wait the mad lads actually made the game about egypt instead of just using it for normie marketing? This game's gonna be shit. Egyptophiles are all bookworm girls who don't like wargames.
>>1531218>t. never played any pre-R2 game from themAsk me how I know
>>1534458yeah of any total war, beside I was talking of troy, nigger
>>1530084...two decades...
Because history is boring and Warhammer is peak total war where they actually have freedom to mix up the general gameplay and actually do cool shit. I mean really what are they going to do? Unless they add proper sea combat which everyone has been begging for and eveyone knows they won't add there is literally nothing that they can really do or change up that TW hasn't already done. Plus it's made by the B team which has continued to show itself to be exactly that, B teir.
>>1530041Yeah, a total war game set in the bronze age would be cool. But this is Total Troyhammer with an ancient egpytian skin, not an actual Total War game. >>1530055Judging by recent events, he seems to have been right
>>1532048I care that he is sc*ttish, his accent alone makes his nagging diatribes unbearable to watch.
>>1531166>Muh varietyThe problem is not "dude with weapons is boring" but that they should add and improve options on the battlefield instead to remove them with the exception if some timed % modifier.
>>1530041>Troy 2.5 made by the C team while all of CA's money is being funneled into their groundbreaking tranny shooterGee, I wonder why...
>>1539554>Because history is boringBased 9 year old.
>>1533363Based smoothbore musket lad
>>1530570If you're looking for accuracy, you wouldn't be finished building a pyramid before the last bit of the game.
>>1531218It's not 2004 anymore, retard shill. Tell your supervisor to make a good game for once, cuck.
>>1531367>Warhammer 2 is barely playable? Werks on my machine. Weird how people blame games when it's really just themselves being poor.
>>1540383
>>1531367These people have literally never played a pre-Shogun 2 Total War game. They're literal zoomers.
>>1530373>>1530636>>1531101>>1531166>>1531218>>1531243>>1534780>>1540382>>1540192>muh unit varietyit's supposed to be a strategy game that emulates mass combatnot a fucking mobahow great do you think unit variety is in real lifehow many different types of units did caesar have? alexander? charlemagne?retards
>>1530041>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?Is there any game that /v/ and its offspring boards haven't written off before release? Outside of semi-obscure Japanese games?
>>1540453Problem with Total War is that every battle plays out the same when unit variance is low. With the dynamics of the game series, you can never have enough units to hold a sizeable reserve, so tactics are almost entirely about countering or flanking. Older games also had terrain to account for- I remember seizing the high ground against the Romans in a defensive battle as the Greeks and letting them die on our spears- but newer games don't. Basically, you end up with the ole' Shogun 2 special:>both sides field identical units>the battle starts with a brief archery duel before the lines clash>everything is so arcadey and anti-cavalry is so prevalent that there's no room for a decisive charge>no formations and no reserves means you just wallop the other guy until he breaksAdd in a literal decade of legacy code and an engine that was never meant for non-gunpowder warfare and you can see why Pharoah is going to be DoA. Warhammer was an unexpected hit that's been carried on "unit variety." 3 Kingdoms hit chink gold, but they've never capitalized on the positive changes introduced by that game.
>>1531367>Warhammer 2 is barely playableHey, I'm all for shitting on CA and do it whenever I get the chance-- but that's just plain wrong.
>>1540645You can get good charges in Shogun 2.
>>1540645completely wrong
>>1533974> the Era is militarily boringMeh, it has potential, especially if it had some kind of early game mechanic where victory is a matter of who can bring the most bronze to the battlefield with bronze chariots being like modern tanks, but runners to collect the arrows fired from chariots become gradually better and better until they start functioning as infantry and it completely upsets the old world order and the grand finale is every country going down in a massive upheaval as these infantry hordes take to the seas and go on a rampage, with bronze armed elites fighting a desperate action to prevent total destruction
>>1533974>The Paraoh is a nigger, which means woke shit is in the gameHe's not. He's turbo-tanned.
>>1540645Warhammer was carried by basedmen who didnt give a shit about strategy and just wanted to see bing bang wazoo explosions
>>1540645>no room for cavalry charges?????What game have you been playing? Rome 2? In every TW before it cavalry charges were decisive.
>>1540645lmaolol, evenCavalry is good in Shogun 2, it's just up against a lot of spearmanii and thus has to be used effectively. You were filtered.
>>1530041Nobody cares about historical games anymore, sadly.Personally, I'm very hyped. Liked a lot of what Troy tried to do. Especially chariots and infantry.
>>1531367>ModernBitch, please. Medieval 2, Rome Total War, and especially Empire are all basically unplayable without mods. >so it can struggle with things which Medieval II and Rome do effortlessly.Name one.>Going back to Rome I after playing the newer games and watching how a unit winning a melee will actually push on its enemy makes me feel young again.Yeah, and watching the ai send it's tenth army consisting entirely out of town guards will destroy it.
>>1533974> the Era is militarily boringStrongly disagree.Chariots are basically the one type of cavalry that requires some actual skill to use. That already makes the game more interesting than Medieval 2.
>>1541894Cavalry in Rome 1 is mostly shit until you get to the Eastern countries. Totally deliberately, mind you.
>>1544166Actually, never mind, looking at it more closely most factions do get good cavalry before long.
>>1530564Its not great, i mean i have a mid rig and all but fuuuuck, it runs like dogwater.Wanted to use it to play the Lotr mod but atilla struggled with medium sized battles that rome 2 had no issues with
>>1530564CA never updated Attila to their new engine like Rome II hence why it runs so poor. I can say even with a 13th gen i9 CPU, 7000 speed ram, m.2 drive, and a 3080 I can just make it to 100fps but dip to 40s.IMO they didn't want to update Attila due to the player counts at the time being lower sales wise but the inner cynic in me thinks its due to how open the Attila's engine build is. Checking their steam DB they are still updating some build, not sure if its the launcher tho so I'm not hopeful.
>>1541894>Cavalry is good in Shogun 2Hypothetically, yes. Realistically, no. Units are too fast and responsive, so you can't really threaten archers with light cavalry. All cavalry also suffer the samurai problem- their units are significantly smaller than Ashigaru, so they tend to lack staying power. Because of how stats work in Shogun 2, Ashigaru also scale ridiculously well. Cavalry exist for mop up and maybe a lucky charge if the enemy is about to break. Fall of the Samurai is a radically different story, of course- cavalry, especially Yari Ki, earn their keep by taking out artillery and threatening line infantry. Ironically, they're more dangerous to modern armies than traditional ones.>>1544164>chariots>in Total WarThey're all or nothing units. Either you have the Iceni Scythed chariots effortlessly mowing down heavy infantry or you end up with units that get bogged down in peasants. If they're implemented as they were historically used (lol) they'd be about flanking enemy units to pepper them with arrows or javelins.When the frontlines are clashing, you'd then use them as dragoons, disembarking from the chariot to get stuck in from behind.
>>1544214Troy actually did it really well. They will destroy most units if used properly, but get them stuck in the wrong terrain or get caught between two units and they will be dead within moments.
>>1530041Ancient Egyptians had olive skin not whatever this brown Arab pharaoh is
>>1544230They were Semites.
>>1544219Which is also ahistorical, but that's not really worth complaining about, is it? There's a reason chariots died out the instant horses were bred strong enough to carry a man.
>>1544239No such thing
>>1544230proofs?
>>1530041>Trusting CA after Hyenas (AKA Lawbreakers 2) I have really no idea OP…
Looks like a re-skinned Troy with 0 variety. If they wanted a bronze age bash 'em up I don't see why they didn't just go from Roman all the way down through Egypt. Could at least create some interesting effects and variety.
>>1531166The variety should be from different units performing different roles and having different counters in a battle, instead of them all behaving the same but with different numbers. Pic related is you, by the way.
>>1530055Between Legend, Lugotorix, Melkor, and this fag, I wonder why this franchise attracts so many gay anglos with unintelligible accents.
>>1544280>but that's not really worth complaining about, is it?Yes. Though I do hope Pharaoh is a bit more grounded.
>>1545156Were romans even a thing back then?Honestly though, Italy expansion isn't impossible.
>>1545282No, the Romans don't become relevant until nearly a thousand years after this game's timeframe. There is still a huge number of factions they could have potentially added though if they weren't trying to nickel and dime players with DLC. Myceneans, Assyrians, Nubia, Libyan tribes, various Mesopotamians, etc.
>>1544230Ancient egyptians look like modern egyptians retard, they were never replaced.
>>1530041Total War is a zombie franchise.
>>1544214>If they're implemented as they were historically used (lol) they'd be about flanking enemy units to pepper them with arrows or javelins.When the frontlines are clashing, you'd then use them as dragoons, disembarking from the chariot to get stuck in from behind.Chariots could charge and trample just fine, just not in the way TW does it.
>>1547036you were right Volound, I kneel
>>1531360look at that nose, those lips; you retard
>>1530041KREE APOPHISKREE JAFFA
>>1547267I'd buy a Stargate TW in a heartbeat.
>>1547496>1000^10 troopers and full fleets in orbit vs 1 (one) 4 man squad
>>1530041they don't want me anymore t. historical boomer
>>1547509they don't want your money? thats a shame
>>1544163>Rome Total War>unplayable without modsdisagree although your points about dumb ai stand
>>1544166anon plscavalry is super strong in rome1
>>1540453>how many different types of units did caesar have? alexander? charlemagne?A lot? TW covered each of these time periods (some repeatedly) and you can see for yourself how much unit variety each of them had, and how those units were different from other nations' units. There's no reason to be this much of a retarded faggot, so why are you trying to hard?
>>1548258>20 different spear and swordmenbut pharaoh has this aswell and even more? only thing missing is cavalry
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1924388985Actual battles look good, atleast better than any modern TW since Attila.Also the rosters are more diverse than most people seem to think.
>>1548712>Actual battles look good, atleast better than any modern TW since Attila.Looks like the same trash we saw in Troy
not enough toys?
>>1548719I'm trans btw.
>>1548712not buying your shitty reskin of troy, also fix your streaming it runs like trash
>>1530041Egypt is for women and women don't like war games.Also Rameses looks like a nigger.
>>1530041stop pussyfooting around and just make medieval 3 instead of another piece of shit no one's going to care about like ToB and Troyit's like you faggots don't like money and we both know that shit isn't true
>>1540645>muh cavalryFuck off. Romans proved you don't need cavalry to become a huge empire, and they did so during the peak of cavalry use in combat.
It's a full priced Saga game from what I can tell. If they want as much money as the Warhammer games they should at least put in the same effort.
>>1549183>romans created empire>during time when cavalry being peakanon if anything they started losing empire at the time when cavalry started to rise but they created empire in times when infantry was dominating and even then they created empire due to superior logistic and mobilization system and being able to integrate their allies into their system
>>1549106>he thinks Medieval 3 released in the 2020s can be good
>>1530041>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?Because it's CA we're talking about, the same game company that added women generals despite Rome 2 being a mess to this day, that banned bikini mods for three kingdoms just because some bimbo that doesn't work at the company anymore complained about it and that remastered Rome 1 just so that they could sell you the same game but more expensive and with nigger legions to boot. Why should I have any faith in them at this point?
Total War hasn't had good non-musket gameplay since Medieval fucking 2. Hell, only one of their musket games had good gameplay. They've been making total dogshit for over a decade now. They seem to think, for some delusional reason, that the Warhammer games sold well for any other reason except the Warhammer brand. Literally the only way the over-inflated CA can stay afloat short of firing 90% of their staff is finding another big brand filled wilth money-stuck secondaries dying to feel like they're a part of something and pumping out another big Pile of Shit: Total War for the consoomers to gorge themselves on.
>>1549183>Romans proved you don't need cavalry to become a huge empireRome used Cavalry all the fucking time. It was critical to their success in many instances, that's why they were willing to pay for it and why they had an entire social class that was named for their horse ownership.
>>1549418would still be better than random shit doomed to failure like ToB and troy
>>1530041It's literally a reskin of Troy.
>>1533974> the Era is militarily boringno lol> it would require naval combatnaval combat was not prevalent during this period, invaders would make landfall and set up camp> trade for bronze ingredients would be required as a mechanicbronze is its own resource, yes
>>1549628I'm trans btw.
The pharaoh looks like a tanned Mussolini
>>1551081He is not my Pharaoh yet boy, nor would I agree with that statement even if he were!
>>1547242Volound is the best thing to ever happen to CA. Any criticism, no wonder how cutting, can be brushed off by associating it with that autistic fuck.
>>1549183The Romans used cavalry extensively though. They just didn’t use native cavalry much until the high and late empire, but Rome always sought out good auxiliary cavalry and the numidians were often the deciding factor of battles
>>1547506>1 man Daniel (Resurrected) doom stack
>>1540184>Total TroyhammerMore like total troonhammer. The levels CA has stooped to after warhammer are just disgusting.
>>1552005kekthis anon is rightvolund was right on few issues but he also was plenty of wrong and he is a fag so it doesn't matter anyway
>>1552005What criticism? Players have been outright praising shit gameplay mechanics that were controversial when first introduced in Rome 2, and now get copy-pasted into re-labelled ones, because CA weren't being told they were shit. A situation they seemed too comfortable with.
>>1531166ahem. I'll try:> shirtless Egyptian peasants with small daggers> guys with those curved half arc swords> elephant riders> priests of rah who can spread disease and other spells> chariot riders> slave drivers with whips, maybe with a group of Jewish slaves> spearmen with shields > pharaohs bodyguards with traditional swords> Greek mercenaries
>>1550396Bronze needed to source copper and tin, two things not found near each other. Especially not during the times of the pharaos
>>1552435>Players have been outright praising shit gameplay mechanics that were controversial when first introduced in Rome 2, and now get copy-pasted into re-labelled ones, because CA weren't being told they were shit.Like what?
>>1549422Yeah if this was the 2000s I'd be excited but everything CA has released after warhammer has been complete dogshit, this is going to be another troyhammer, you just know.
>>1530041>We wuz Egyptian and sheeeeitDasssssss riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite
>>1546978No they don't you lying bitch.
Graphically the campaign map looks so good. That can't justify me buying it at full price though. I'll definitely get it eventually. They will most likely do a "we are abandoning the game" sale in a year or so.
I was somewhat open to preordering this, but now that it has cosmetics DLC as a preorder bonus I refuse.
>>1552683There isnt any. Total war players have been consistent in complaining about the series but shills need the fanbase to stay at war with itself so CA can continue pumping out garbage
>>1530041>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?>before it's even been releasedit's been released 2 or 3 times already under different names. i'm pretty sure they just reskinned troy. if troy sucked then reskinned troy will certainly suck.
>>1532947Because you cucks would spare yourself all this gayass self-flagellation if you treated your nogz like actual people from the get go, or at least dropped them off at Liberia when you could still round all them darkies up in one place.
>>1545485>He doesn't remember the ahistorical Viking dlc for Attila which takes place almost 500 years before the Viking ageThey're totally going to sell a proto-Rome dlc for this game
>>1549183Every legion had a detachment of 300 heavy Roman cavalry and they made extensive use of lighter Numidian, Gallic, Spanish and Thracian cavalry auxiliaries in greater numbers. Auxiliary cavalry was crucial for many famous Roman victories. They probably wouldn't have won the 2nd Punic War so decisively if the Numidians and their cavalry hadn't switched sides from the Carthaginians.
>>1552005Shut up, CA shill. You and your ilk keep begging your big corpo to crank some half baked shit mechanics that were lierally in other games. Volound is completely right in criticizing the direction total war took ever since Rome 2 was released.
>>1554156Sad truth
>>1556286>nooo how dare you badmouth my favourite e-celeb!Sad.
>>1549183>POMPEY SOME GUY ON THE INTERNET SAID CAVALRY IS OVERRATED AND NOW IM FUCKED PLEASE SAVE ME CAESAR AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>1534458>Troy has the most different skins for otherwise identical stuff, because the new target audience is too stupid to notice
>>1552683Wondered why so many 'mechanics' now are just progress bars and numbers going up? Often the labels and their effects have no relationship at all, like the designers don't really care.
>>1530041>Tiny map>Only 1 notable faction on release>MagicGee, sure is a mystery.
>>1530041they still use the same engine which feels just "dull" for me, it does not allow immersiveness, ambient and combat sound is also weak. The units have no "weight", no "inertia".If only there would be a war/action/rts game with physics of beamNG.
>>1556717>Only 1 notable faction on releaseLiterally all three players of the Bronze Age collapse are there.The Egyptian Empire, the Hittite Empire and The Sea Peoples.That's literally all there is to the end of the Bronze Age.Mycaneans sat in Greece and when the international trade froze up, they collectively returned to monke. That's why people theorized they were the Sea Peoples, because they literally did fuck all and then disappear for a while.Eufrates/Tigris region likewise does nothing, since there are no powerful states over there, it's the modern equivalent of the Baltics and other "Who?" places. Only thanks to the sheer and utter collapse of the Bronze Age does a vacuum form and the Neo-Assyrian empire fills the power vacuum. But that's centuries after this game.What the fuck did you do in school? Smoke crack all the time? This is literally first or second year of elementary school.
>>1530055>ets naut uh reel tiem strauhjee gaym, ets uh takteks gaymFollowed by a 40-to-120 minute rant where he bitches about the semantics of strategy games being called "strategy games" because he read some military theory that says that tactics and strategy are different and in his opinion, Total War games only have "tactics" because uhhh, because he says so.>>1531397That's ironic because Volound is literally a leftist jackboot. He's far from the only Total War youtuber who calls out CA; it's just that for anyone who actually plays the TW games, it's clear that Volound doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about a majority of the time, which is fitting because he's a Shogun 2 soifag that's literally put only a few hours of play into the modern TW games he's been bitching about in his videos for dozens of hours.>>1532048Generally yes, and he's also shit at the games.>records a video of him doing a battle in Rome 2 to "prove it's shit">gives himself a front line of 4 Socii Extraordinarii (lowish mid-tier auxiliary units) and fills the rest of his army with 7 units of Gladiators>makes the enemy army like 5 units of Praetorian Guard and 1 lower-tier unit to use all the army funds>lets the enemy army charge into his "front line" of 4 sub-Hastati tier auxiliaries and sends his Gladiators around the sides to flank and envelop them>the Preatorian Guard cleave through his Socii Extraordinari and then wreck his Gladiators since Gladiators have low armor and morale>"Look how SHIT this game is! Why couldn't my shitstack of low-tier garbage beat an army composed of the literal best infantry in the game!?">"I FLANKED!!!"
>>1530055i diedi forgot what i wanted to reply to the OP fuck
>>1552005Based. saw someone call him "the Chris-chan of Total War" once, kek.
No one made /vst/ seethe like based Vololund
>>1557303>VololundGood morning Pajeet. Please do not redeem Total War.
>>1557202>they collectively returned to monkethat is false narrative
>>1557303laughing at you doesn't mean we are seething at you voloundnone of us made an entire video replying to mean people on /vg/
>>1552435bruh whatrome 2 was the most hated release they ever made, noone praised shit
there are people streaming EA on twitch right now
>>1530041Hyenas dude
>>1557671I thought that was Empire? I mean I'm biased when I say that since they fixed and improved Rome 2 over time and added lots of extra content to it, but Empire is still for a large part broken to this day.
>>1530041
>>1558508Can’t wait to desecrate her shrine, if you know what I mean.
>>1530144this but also the decay of Total War in general. Rome I and Medieval II are still their best titles. Empire and Shogun 2 at least tried to innovate but they kept leaning more and more into arcady shit and have no clue what the appeal of their own franchise is.
>>1558519>Rome I and Medieval II are still their best titlesonly because mods
>>1557291>which is fitting because he's a Shogun 2 soifag that's literally put only a few hours of play into the modern TW games he's been bitching about in his videos for dozens of hours.Imagine un-ironically defending nu-totalwar
>>1530041>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?It's another Rome 2 reskin, you've already played it.
It's a "historical" title that is a lot more fantasy than history, and it's a setting that barely anyone wanted or hoped for. Plus it's a Troy clone.
Have any mechanics or units of the Sea Peoples been released?
>>1559147he is right thoalso obligatory Shogun 1 > shogun 2 mention
WHERE IS TW MEDIEVAL 3 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>1530570What's unnatural about that? The Polish city of Zamość was built within a few decades because an extremely rich magnate wanted to have a perfect Renaissance city
>>1559147Attila shits and pisses all over shitgun and the other old games.And he is still scared to play it because it would shatter his worldview.
>>1558372Rome 2 was a 10x bigger release than Empire. It had 120k concurrent players at release which is still an insane number for a strategy game today let alone in 2013.
>>1558508>>1530041why are they niggers
bunch of green haired sjw women playing Pharao on pre-release. could be a fun.
>>1545184Because retarded Bongs, especially ones from well-off families, are under the impression War and Colonialism is their birthright.
>>1557614>t. sea peoples
>>1561054>could be a fun.Hello, sir!
>>1544214>you can't really threaten archers with light cavalryWorks on my machine.
>>1547264That’s what Egyptians look like you retardHe looks nothing like niggers
>>1561150https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFxZHg74nHg
>>1561054>Please come and hate watch Pharao streams to boost our numbersNo Grace, I don't think I will.
>>1559102I think the more realistic mechanics like population, needing to retrain units instead of them just regenerating, large battle maps, etc are all major contributors. Theyre obviously dated but there are constant frustrations I run into in WHTW that would've solved if they had just implemented the old mechanics of their own previous titles.
>>1561318Sounds like more revisionist sea peoples propaganda, dude.
>>1561360>I think the more realistic mechanics like populationYes>needing to retrain units instead of them just regeneratingHard disagree, at least as it was actually implemented in those gamesI think having a population system for different major ethnic and social groups with units associated with them would be good. Got all your nobles or spartiates killed? Guess what they're dead for real now, make do with peasants and periokoi for the next decade. Would also be a non-gamey cap on elite units and a way to balance multicultural factions.
>>1531367Anyone who buys a warhammer total war game, I would not value their opinion on any historical games. They are people into fantasy and not going to appreciate the old total war games.
>>1530041WAIT A MINUTE, WHY IS PHARAOH A NIGGER?
>>1544230>>1546978before the arab rape hoards of the 7th century, all of north Africa was indo-european white. DNA analysis on mummies shows that they were R1b haplogroup.
>>1561826Half of India is R1b and they're not fucking white
>>1561826lmao, delusional.
>>1559147Attila alone is better than everything they released before Empire and vanilla Med 2 is unironically fucking horrible.
CA should develop another gunpowder-era game similar to Empire or Napoleon Total War. Many fans are anticipating a sequel to the well-received 18th and 19th century strategy campaigns.
>>1562007They probably will at some point, but people have been asking for Bronze Age Total War for longer than that.
>>1530564I run it with a 2017 i5 and a 1660ti, no clue why people are sperging out about optimization when I run it perfectly fine on ultra and with a double unit size mod. Honestly, it's a very underappreciated game with some neat mechanics and situations like the climate change thing and saving the western roman empire (not that the east is easy to stabilize). Also for once the AI isn't fucking garbage like the other anon said which makes battles an actual challenge.
>>1530574I still get goosebumps when the various cutscenes play, really sells you the whole end of the world vibe
>>1531367Not gonna lie, the warhammer games as shilled as they are just don't feel like total war, they feel like rts heroes of might and magic 3 but with a lot less SOVL
>>1530041I actually know a guy who works on this and yeah, it's not looking good. First off just like Troy, it's not being developed by CA proper but by their C team here in Sofia which is an underfunded skeleton crew. As a whole, this game is just given 0 time or money for proper development, on top of that as much as laymen like to solely blame execs from what I hear a decent number of the technical problems are caused by programmers who make or ignore them so they can be paid bonuses later on for fixing them. A
>>1562060>it's not being developed by CA proper but by their C team here in Sofia which is an underfunded skeleton crew>it's not being developed by the garbage UK studio that has done nothing but release broken buggy crap since Rome 2 but by the C team which was responsible for the only stable and well optimized TW game in years
>>1530558the ai is the same, anyone that tries to tell you otherwise is mentally ill
>>1562086I mean from what I've heard competence wise they aren't bad but they were never supposed to work on full-priced games by themselves like I said they are a skeleton crew not really given the resources they need
>>1561826That's not how Haplogroups work you illiterate retard. You demean the Aryan race with your we wuz bullshit.
Fucking grim. Discussions are full of shills telling everyone to buy the premium edition full price NOW and don't think about it too hard. Meanwhile no one gives a shit about the game.
>>1561826WE
>>1562553I've accepted that it's going to bomb. Then a few years later people are suddenly going to realize "Wait a second, this game is really good".
>>1562562White people are fucking pathetic.>KING ARTHUR IS OUR NATIONAL HERO!>YES, WE, THE DECENDANTS OF THE SAXONS THAT WIPED OUT HIS KINGDOM.>We are 100% Rome.>Why? Uh... I don't know, the pope looked at us funny once when we were still living in mud huts.
>>1562565Yeah, I'm sure this is a good, or at least acceptable game for $25. CA needs to be raked over coals for killing it by charging $60 for it minimum.
>>1562060Honestly, if this and Troy is them working with no budget they need to be given a actual budget.I hope that now Hyena is dead they move over a large amount of people to flsh out Pharaoh. Expand the map to Italy, Persia, and Greece.
>>1562588>CA needs to be raked over coals for killing it by charging $60 for it minimum.It's on par with Three Kingdom and above Warhammer 3.
>>1562568White people are Germanics and we wiped out Rome easy gg no re before ushering in the renaissance and subsequent modern age.HRE's claim to Rome was also more substantiated than shitskins with their sultanate of Rum (kek) or slavs in mudhuts in Moscow.
>>1562599>White people are Germanics and we wiped out Rome easy gg no re before ushering in the renaissance and subsequent modern age.Italians ushered in the rennesaince. All Germans did was put humanity back by about a thousand years. First time of many, sadly.>HRE's claim to Rome was also more substantiated than shitskins with their sultanate of Rum (kek) or slavs in mudhuts in Moscow.HRE's claim to it's own existence wasn't valid anymore after about 1500. The last people keeping it afloat were inbred Spanish monarchs pretending to be Austrians.
>>1562592Oh really? Warhammer sits at 28% due to gamer outrage while three kingdoms is at 75%. Lets see if Pharao even reaches 75%.All of those games are $60 again since CA hiked the prices due to no money so I guess the comparison is fair. I doubt it's justified in its price tag considering the tiny map and most of the bronze age civs missing from the game.
>>1562599>and we wiped out Rome Lol.It took Turks to actually do that. Even Western Rome was mostly the Huns.
>>1562606>Oh really?Yeah. Three Kingdom literally had huge parts of the map just being empty while Warhammer 3 is a expansion.>I doubt it's justified in its price tag considering the tiny map and most of the bronze age civs missing from the game.Again, that's just Three Kingdom again. Hell, it's fucking Medieval 2 and Rome 1 if you want to be critical. Didn't even have Persia...
>>1562604Romans did that themselves after establishing the empire due to constant infighting and general degeneracy. If Germans didn't take out the trash we'd still be wearing Togas and banging rocks together for fun.Those "Italians" from the renaissance were also Germans who settled in northern Italy.
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>>1561318https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb_A8HWMaBE
>>1562617>Romans did that themselves after establishing the empire due to constant infighting and general degeneracy.They did with to themselves? Create a state that lasted longer than every failed Germanic kingdom put together?>If Germans didn't take out the trash we'd still be wearing Togas and banging rocks together for fun.No. We would be on Mars already having sex with hot alien babes. If Germans had never existed at all we would be on the next dimensional plane.
>>1562620Just more proof that Jews are the master race.There is no victory. There never was, and never will be. Only submission.
>>1562608When people think of Rome, no one thinks of the Byzantine "empire". Though they are a good reminder how far Romans have fallen as even brownoids surpassed them technologically.The Huns did nothing but present a choice to central European tribes: Either fight us or go west and fight the degenerates. Weird how quickly "mighty Rome" crumbled.
>>1562627> no one thinks of the Byzantine "empire".1: Yes, they do. 2: Even if they did not, and? >. Though they are a good reminder how far Romans have fallenThe most powerful state in Europe for centuries? >Weird how quickly "mighty Rome" crumbled.It literally outlived every single pathetic German state created in the wake of Western Rome. What you consider degeneracy is simply civilization. The same civilization that eventually wiped out your pathetic failed German country and replaced it with two proper civilized one.
>>1562625Wrong Jews. The ashk*nazim are not related to the Israelites at all, they're just steppe peoples. And the Sephardim are just Canaanites, so not Israelites either.
>>1562622Yeah I'm sure the technologically stale Roma Empire would have brought us to Mars by now kek. 400 years without a single notable advance in science despite grabbing whatever territory Romans could bribe mercs to take.
>>1562631>Wrong JewsIt does not matter. Culturally, mentally, spiritually. They are identical. By which, of course, I mean superior.>>1562632>Yeah I'm sure the technologically stale Roma Empire would have brought us to Mars by now kek.By default stagnation is better than going backwards. It took jews taking over Europe for anything to improve.
Seeing niggers try to seem intelligent is so weird. They don't even realize how incoherent their writing is.
>>1562634No they're not identical. They don't recognize the Old Testament/Torah anymore, they just use the abridged, retconned version found in the Talmud. Hell, they don't even follow the same God anymore.These are the people that think Adam was a hermaphrodite.
>>1562639Like I said, they are culturally and mentally superior. It's like how modern secular Jews are still unmistakably superior compared to whites.
>>1562562We were truly ملك and such, habibi.
>>1562637This, but Germans. Thank god they don't start talking in that backwards sheep fucker language. It becomes impossible to take them even remotely seriously then.
>>1562641No, they're nothing without God, from whom they turned away.
>>1562643And here it is. Fascinating creatures.
>>1562630>The same civilization that eventually wiped out your pathetic failed German country and replaced it with two proper civilized one.As much as I enjoy schizo historical revisionism, no, Italians did nothing of note after Rome and got conquered by every bored statesman happening to come across them from Odoacer to Napoleon to Americans in WW2. Which was impressive as Italians were known to run away in panic during every battle really quickly, so catching them became a sport of sorts.And cope, no one likes the eastern Romans then or now. When Mehmet finally decided to cut the life support of the lolcows in Constantinople there was a sigh of relief in every court.
>>1562648>Italians did nothing of note after Rome and got conquered by every bored statesman happening to come across them from Odoacer to Napoleon to Americans in WW2If true, and It's not, then at least it proves they really are German. Either way, they still accomplished more than Germany by sheer virtue of not being a net negative to the world. >And cope, no one likes the eastern Romans then or now. Correct. Since it was a actual functional society.
>>1562650wtf are you doing in a history game thread
>>1562641Expelled from 109 countries. And if the US ever stops supporting jews, Israel will become 110 not 15 minutes later.
>>1562653That's blasphemy, bro.
>>1562652Correcting Germans on their delusion that they are anything more than a great plague on the face of Europe. The Netherlands is the closest they ever got to being relevant in a way that wasn't just putting Europe back by a few hundred years. Wow, turns out Germans can only be civilized if they just become Jews. Who could have figured? >>1562655>Expelled from 109 countriesAnd still standing.France is almost halfway wiped out and they still haven't been properly kicked out of Africa. Germany never had a empire and are already about 20% finished.
>>1562658you need to start respecting yourself man. you can't keep embarrassing yourself like this your entire life.
>>1562650>Since it was a actual functional society.Yeah, huge fan of their civilized infighting (Roman tradition!) all the time including ritual blindings of close family members or generals that weren't dog shit. I especially loved how the last Byzantin faggot larper charged at the Ottomans and was unceremoniously slaughtered like the med nigger he was.Wait, this thread was about Pharao, not your jewish delusions. Are you still mad Egyptians expelled you first so amazingly that you still celebrate a death march through the desert some 3300 years later?
>>1562661:/
>>1562656Doesn't stop the Pope from forgiving people's sins tho, Luther was right.
>>1550396>This era isn't military boring>naval combat was not prevalent during this periodYou're even admitting in your same post that military maneuvers were limited and basic at this point.
>>1530241This, imagine having limited building slots in a fucking flat desert
>>1530241Really the franchise has completely outgrown building slots. What we should have instead are a division between regular building slots and monument slots, the latter of which wouldn't affect your usual building strategies. There is a difference between ensuring you can't just building spam and actively handicapping people.
