Why are people writing it off before it's even been released? A TW game set in ancient Egypt/the Bronze Age has potential for maximum kino.
>>1530041We Wuz Kangs
>toehul wah is billshit
>>1530041I'm not as down on it as some people as Ancient Egypt is one of my favourite civilisations and I really want to rebuild the New Kingdom Empire. But the fact its a full priced game and they don't have the Mesopotamian or the Minoan or Mycenaeans in makes it feel very incomplete for what they're charging. There were mods for Rome 1 that did the Bronze age better than what this looks like currently.
>>1530041It would be maximum kino if CA was able to make the gameplay good, but they haven't been able to in over a decade so people assume it's going to be the same shit.
>>1530041>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?Because Nu-CA has a reputation of not being able to do anything right
>would you build pyramids, temple or tombs?>uh, you can't have all, because building slots are limited!>uhm and this city near the sea can't have a port because something>what, in rome 1 they had separate point for ports so every reasonable city could have a port??? unbelievable..>no, no no, this city can't grow beyond this artificially set limit because it's not a provincial capital!all these voices in my head when i hear something about new total warsi can't silence them
A Bronze Age game without Babylon or Assryia is dead on arrival. Seriously Assyria should have been the third faction, not the fractured lands of Canaan
>>1530041I think they should have went back even further in time rather then focusing on the collapse.
>>1530041Because I don't find anything fun in their games anymore For me there's no redeemable factor to justify torrenting a million gigabytes of shit.
>>1530041i admit I dont know much about bronze age but it seems like such a boring setting with little to no variety
>>1530041>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?There hasn't been a good TW game since Medieval 2.
>>1530041>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?There hasn't been a good TW game since Shogun 2.
>>1530041Because CA is a shit company that for the past decade has only made mobile tier pseudo-RPGs masquerading as "strategy" games.>>1530055That autistic commie is a massive retard, btw.>>1530242No potential for DLC if they added all the relevant factions from the start.
is there Total War game where AI isnt dogshit?
>>1530558Shogun 2 and Attila.
>>1530561not interested in jap lore, hows Attila? i remember reading about horrible optimization
>>1530041fantasytrannies dont care about history
>>1530385trans>>1530391weeb
>>1530241>muh city growing in a 50 year time span gameretard
>>1530564It was bad on launch but quickly fixed, but there was such a negative attitude towards CA at the time due to the trainwreck that was Rome 2 that the oldfags just dismissed Attila forever. It runs perfectly well on my mid tier, several years old machine.It's a great game. Despite keeping some of the terrible decisions made with Rome 2 (eg.: you can only have a set number of armies) they fixed the battle system, the building system and the tech tree and made the most SOVL main campaign in the franchise's history.
>>1530373The Bronze Age has plenty of variety, CA is just holding back on the interesting factions so they can sell them as DL
>>1530558Three Kingdoms, especially the strategic AI
>>1530520>No potential for DLC if they added all the relevant factions from the start.I liked it when video games were finished on release
>>1530041>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?Weren't the last few games all shit?Why would you NOT write it off until proven otherwise?
>>1530053Fpbp
>>1530636>interesting factionsEgypt and Hittietes are by far the two most interesting ones.
>>1530041>Why are people writing it off before it's even been releasedBecause last time CA delivered, it was 2012.That was 11 years ago
>>1530636>Spearmani>Spearmani with shields>Axe-carriers>Axe-carriers with shields>Meme slingers>Bowmen>Mid-game chariots>Late game short-swordsmen>Faction variable of any listed aboveWow, such variety!
>>1530558Is there a strategy game where AI isnt dogshit?
>>1531166not enough toys, tranny?
>>1531166Except unit types in early TW games weren't any different
>>1531218>what is kensaiI fucking wish ca get back to its roots of first shogun, three kingdoms was the step in the right direction but they blundered post release support so fucking hard it is almost amazing.
>>1530574Those Attila Horse trailer's were so fucking good.
>>1530564>>1530574the game still runs like shit late game, it was supposed to get patched with the last DLC, but the last DLC became Britannia and it took all the optimization fixes with it
>>1531261at least you can literally take the optimized shader files from ToB and plop them into Attila. ToB is such a glorified DLC that some of the files for it still work in Attila.
>>1530041>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released? A TW game set in ancient Egypt/the Bronze Age has potential for maximum kino.It has potential to be a massive pile of shit
>>1530053Check you eyes
>>1530041I simply cannot understand why modern Total Wars are so popular. Warhammer 2 is barely playable after a decade of bandaids being applied onto the Warscape engine just so it can struggle with things which Medieval II and Rome do effortlessly. To top it off, their DLC policies are scandalous. Going back to Rome I after playing the newer games and watching how a unit winning a melee will actually push on its enemy makes me feel young again.
>>1531367Did you take your medication today grandpa?
No political compass no buy. Simple as mate. >>1530520>That autistic commie is a massive retard, btw.Even if he is a communist he is still willing to actually call out CAs bullshit rather than deepthroat the leftist jackboot. He provided me with many keks over his many years of work. For that he has my respect and the respect of all based anons.
>>1531397So brave, a trailblazing gaming purist, no one has ever sat on their ass and bitched and moaned about video games before. I'm sure he'll appreciate you sucking him off anon.
Because Total Warhammer is better and the only thing that would make this good is if has sea battle which it won't.
>>1530055Is he wrong? Who cares if he is a commie?
>>1530041They perfected cav in Medieval 2 and they perfected archers in Shogun 2. Instead of learning from this, putting them in one game and perfecting spearmanii as well they went and reworked battles into the most unsatisfying system their addled minds could muster. Why would anyone trust these animals?
>>1532097In what way were Cav "perfect" in medieval 2, the forgetting to charge and the slow clunky movement? What major differences could you find between archers in the total war games they all function essentially the same, just in newer ones they can no longer shoot arrows straight up.
>>1532118The impact.
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>>1530520based and correct-pilled post
>>1530041Why is the pharaoh a nigger
>>1530041It's a reskin of Troy and the Pharaoh is a nigger for some reason.Oh, and it's made by current day CA. So you know it's going to be a disaster.
>>1532697>>1532681Why are you weirdo third world migrants so obsessed with niggers
>>1530041Rami Malek looking mofo
>>1532947I'm not even America.
>>1530041Bad practices in the last ten, maybe 15 years. TW: Warhammer made delusional a lot of people, but even there people is baiting the truth
>>1530041WE WUZ is a turn-off, Ill just play empire desu lads.
>>1530041CA spent the last 15 years on the campaign map, while stepping down on the real time battle map, witch is the real identity of the brand. There are ton of grand strategy games made by paradox that can offer the same campaign experience, but games that offer the same combat very few, I recall only gettysburg.Troy was really bad on this side and pharaoh will have the same limitations, if you make a game with limited campaign map at least the battles should be good, or the factions should be super diverse. Not the case
>>1530041> the Era is militarily boring> it would require naval combat > trade for bronze ingredients would be required as a mechanic> CA fucked up politics and trade systems> the map would be to easy, unless you implement Greeks and maybe parts of India> Late game Total War sucks since Shogun 2> CA spergs out and cuts support for new games quick> Warhammer introduced a shitty DLC policy> CA had no good launch since Fall of the Samurai> The Paraoh is a nigger, which means woke shit is in the game
>>1530564agent spam
>>1531367i don't get it tooWhat is funny i have some fun with Warham 1 back then and even some with Warham 2 but trying to get back and it simply not work for me when i can just jump to older games and get sucked in into conquest
>>1533966troy has the most diverse factions you stupid nigger
>>1530041Wait the mad lads actually made the game about egypt instead of just using it for normie marketing? This game's gonna be shit. Egyptophiles are all bookworm girls who don't like wargames.
>>1531218>t. never played any pre-R2 game from themAsk me how I know
>>1534458yeah of any total war, beside I was talking of troy, nigger
>>1530084...two decades...
Because history is boring and Warhammer is peak total war where they actually have freedom to mix up the general gameplay and actually do cool shit. I mean really what are they going to do? Unless they add proper sea combat which everyone has been begging for and eveyone knows they won't add there is literally nothing that they can really do or change up that TW hasn't already done. Plus it's made by the B team which has continued to show itself to be exactly that, B teir.
>>1530041Yeah, a total war game set in the bronze age would be cool. But this is Total Troyhammer with an ancient egpytian skin, not an actual Total War game. >>1530055Judging by recent events, he seems to have been right
>>1532048I care that he is sc*ttish, his accent alone makes his nagging diatribes unbearable to watch.
>>1531166>Muh varietyThe problem is not "dude with weapons is boring" but that they should add and improve options on the battlefield instead to remove them with the exception if some timed % modifier.
>>1530041>Troy 2.5 made by the C team while all of CA's money is being funneled into their groundbreaking tranny shooterGee, I wonder why...
>>1539554>Because history is boringBased 9 year old.
>>1533363Based smoothbore musket lad
>>1530570If you're looking for accuracy, you wouldn't be finished building a pyramid before the last bit of the game.
>>1531218It's not 2004 anymore, retard shill. Tell your supervisor to make a good game for once, cuck.
>>1531367>Warhammer 2 is barely playable? Werks on my machine. Weird how people blame games when it's really just themselves being poor.
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>>1531367These people have literally never played a pre-Shogun 2 Total War game. They're literal zoomers.
>>1530373>>1530636>>1531101>>1531166>>1531218>>1531243>>1534780>>1540382>>1540192>muh unit varietyit's supposed to be a strategy game that emulates mass combatnot a fucking mobahow great do you think unit variety is in real lifehow many different types of units did caesar have? alexander? charlemagne?retards
>>1530041>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?Is there any game that /v/ and its offspring boards haven't written off before release? Outside of semi-obscure Japanese games?
>>1540453Problem with Total War is that every battle plays out the same when unit variance is low. With the dynamics of the game series, you can never have enough units to hold a sizeable reserve, so tactics are almost entirely about countering or flanking. Older games also had terrain to account for- I remember seizing the high ground against the Romans in a defensive battle as the Greeks and letting them die on our spears- but newer games don't. Basically, you end up with the ole' Shogun 2 special:>both sides field identical units>the battle starts with a brief archery duel before the lines clash>everything is so arcadey and anti-cavalry is so prevalent that there's no room for a decisive charge>no formations and no reserves means you just wallop the other guy until he breaksAdd in a literal decade of legacy code and an engine that was never meant for non-gunpowder warfare and you can see why Pharoah is going to be DoA. Warhammer was an unexpected hit that's been carried on "unit variety." 3 Kingdoms hit chink gold, but they've never capitalized on the positive changes introduced by that game.
>>1531367>Warhammer 2 is barely playableHey, I'm all for shitting on CA and do it whenever I get the chance-- but that's just plain wrong.
>>1540645You can get good charges in Shogun 2.
>>1540645completely wrong
>>1533974> the Era is militarily boringMeh, it has potential, especially if it had some kind of early game mechanic where victory is a matter of who can bring the most bronze to the battlefield with bronze chariots being like modern tanks, but runners to collect the arrows fired from chariots become gradually better and better until they start functioning as infantry and it completely upsets the old world order and the grand finale is every country going down in a massive upheaval as these infantry hordes take to the seas and go on a rampage, with bronze armed elites fighting a desperate action to prevent total destruction
>>1533974>The Paraoh is a nigger, which means woke shit is in the gameHe's not. He's turbo-tanned.
>>1540645Warhammer was carried by basedmen who didnt give a shit about strategy and just wanted to see bing bang wazoo explosions
>>1540645>no room for cavalry charges?????What game have you been playing? Rome 2? In every TW before it cavalry charges were decisive.
>>1540645lmaolol, evenCavalry is good in Shogun 2, it's just up against a lot of spearmanii and thus has to be used effectively. You were filtered.
>>1530041Nobody cares about historical games anymore, sadly.Personally, I'm very hyped. Liked a lot of what Troy tried to do. Especially chariots and infantry.
>>1531367>ModernBitch, please. Medieval 2, Rome Total War, and especially Empire are all basically unplayable without mods. >so it can struggle with things which Medieval II and Rome do effortlessly.Name one.>Going back to Rome I after playing the newer games and watching how a unit winning a melee will actually push on its enemy makes me feel young again.Yeah, and watching the ai send it's tenth army consisting entirely out of town guards will destroy it.
>>1533974> the Era is militarily boringStrongly disagree.Chariots are basically the one type of cavalry that requires some actual skill to use. That already makes the game more interesting than Medieval 2.
>>1541894Cavalry in Rome 1 is mostly shit until you get to the Eastern countries. Totally deliberately, mind you.
>>1544166Actually, never mind, looking at it more closely most factions do get good cavalry before long.
>>1530564Its not great, i mean i have a mid rig and all but fuuuuck, it runs like dogwater.Wanted to use it to play the Lotr mod but atilla struggled with medium sized battles that rome 2 had no issues with
>>1530564CA never updated Attila to their new engine like Rome II hence why it runs so poor. I can say even with a 13th gen i9 CPU, 7000 speed ram, m.2 drive, and a 3080 I can just make it to 100fps but dip to 40s.IMO they didn't want to update Attila due to the player counts at the time being lower sales wise but the inner cynic in me thinks its due to how open the Attila's engine build is. Checking their steam DB they are still updating some build, not sure if its the launcher tho so I'm not hopeful.
>>1541894>Cavalry is good in Shogun 2Hypothetically, yes. Realistically, no. Units are too fast and responsive, so you can't really threaten archers with light cavalry. All cavalry also suffer the samurai problem- their units are significantly smaller than Ashigaru, so they tend to lack staying power. Because of how stats work in Shogun 2, Ashigaru also scale ridiculously well. Cavalry exist for mop up and maybe a lucky charge if the enemy is about to break. Fall of the Samurai is a radically different story, of course- cavalry, especially Yari Ki, earn their keep by taking out artillery and threatening line infantry. Ironically, they're more dangerous to modern armies than traditional ones.>>1544164>chariots>in Total WarThey're all or nothing units. Either you have the Iceni Scythed chariots effortlessly mowing down heavy infantry or you end up with units that get bogged down in peasants. If they're implemented as they were historically used (lol) they'd be about flanking enemy units to pepper them with arrows or javelins.When the frontlines are clashing, you'd then use them as dragoons, disembarking from the chariot to get stuck in from behind.
>>1544214Troy actually did it really well. They will destroy most units if used properly, but get them stuck in the wrong terrain or get caught between two units and they will be dead within moments.
>>1530041Ancient Egyptians had olive skin not whatever this brown Arab pharaoh is
>>1544230They were Semites.
>>1544219Which is also ahistorical, but that's not really worth complaining about, is it? There's a reason chariots died out the instant horses were bred strong enough to carry a man.
>>1544239No such thing
>>1544230proofs?
>>1530041>Trusting CA after Hyenas (AKA Lawbreakers 2) I have really no idea OP…
Looks like a re-skinned Troy with 0 variety. If they wanted a bronze age bash 'em up I don't see why they didn't just go from Roman all the way down through Egypt. Could at least create some interesting effects and variety.
>>1531166The variety should be from different units performing different roles and having different counters in a battle, instead of them all behaving the same but with different numbers. Pic related is you, by the way.
>>1530055Between Legend, Lugotorix, Melkor, and this fag, I wonder why this franchise attracts so many gay anglos with unintelligible accents.
>>1544280>but that's not really worth complaining about, is it?Yes. Though I do hope Pharaoh is a bit more grounded.
>>1545156Were romans even a thing back then?Honestly though, Italy expansion isn't impossible.
>>1545282No, the Romans don't become relevant until nearly a thousand years after this game's timeframe. There is still a huge number of factions they could have potentially added though if they weren't trying to nickel and dime players with DLC. Myceneans, Assyrians, Nubia, Libyan tribes, various Mesopotamians, etc.
>>1544230Ancient egyptians look like modern egyptians retard, they were never replaced.
>>1530041Total War is a zombie franchise.
>>1544214>If they're implemented as they were historically used (lol) they'd be about flanking enemy units to pepper them with arrows or javelins.When the frontlines are clashing, you'd then use them as dragoons, disembarking from the chariot to get stuck in from behind.Chariots could charge and trample just fine, just not in the way TW does it.
>>1547036you were right Volound, I kneel
>>1531360look at that nose, those lips; you retard
>>1530041KREE APOPHISKREE JAFFA
>>1547267I'd buy a Stargate TW in a heartbeat.
>>1547496>1000^10 troopers and full fleets in orbit vs 1 (one) 4 man squad
>>1530041they don't want me anymore t. historical boomer
>>1547509they don't want your money? thats a shame
>>1544163>Rome Total War>unplayable without modsdisagree although your points about dumb ai stand
>>1544166anon plscavalry is super strong in rome1
>>1540453>how many different types of units did caesar have? alexander? charlemagne?A lot? TW covered each of these time periods (some repeatedly) and you can see for yourself how much unit variety each of them had, and how those units were different from other nations' units. There's no reason to be this much of a retarded faggot, so why are you trying to hard?
>>1548258>20 different spear and swordmenbut pharaoh has this aswell and even more? only thing missing is cavalry
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1924388985Actual battles look good, atleast better than any modern TW since Attila.Also the rosters are more diverse than most people seem to think.
>>1548712>Actual battles look good, atleast better than any modern TW since Attila.Looks like the same trash we saw in Troy
not enough toys?
>>1548719I'm trans btw.
>>1548712not buying your shitty reskin of troy, also fix your streaming it runs like trash
>>1530041Egypt is for women and women don't like war games.Also Rameses looks like a nigger.
>>1530041stop pussyfooting around and just make medieval 3 instead of another piece of shit no one's going to care about like ToB and Troyit's like you faggots don't like money and we both know that shit isn't true
>>1540645>muh cavalryFuck off. Romans proved you don't need cavalry to become a huge empire, and they did so during the peak of cavalry use in combat.
It's a full priced Saga game from what I can tell. If they want as much money as the Warhammer games they should at least put in the same effort.
>>1549183>romans created empire>during time when cavalry being peakanon if anything they started losing empire at the time when cavalry started to rise but they created empire in times when infantry was dominating and even then they created empire due to superior logistic and mobilization system and being able to integrate their allies into their system
>>1549106>he thinks Medieval 3 released in the 2020s can be good
>>1530041>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?Because it's CA we're talking about, the same game company that added women generals despite Rome 2 being a mess to this day, that banned bikini mods for three kingdoms just because some bimbo that doesn't work at the company anymore complained about it and that remastered Rome 1 just so that they could sell you the same game but more expensive and with nigger legions to boot. Why should I have any faith in them at this point?
Total War hasn't had good non-musket gameplay since Medieval fucking 2. Hell, only one of their musket games had good gameplay. They've been making total dogshit for over a decade now. They seem to think, for some delusional reason, that the Warhammer games sold well for any other reason except the Warhammer brand. Literally the only way the over-inflated CA can stay afloat short of firing 90% of their staff is finding another big brand filled wilth money-stuck secondaries dying to feel like they're a part of something and pumping out another big Pile of Shit: Total War for the consoomers to gorge themselves on.
>>1549183>Romans proved you don't need cavalry to become a huge empireRome used Cavalry all the fucking time. It was critical to their success in many instances, that's why they were willing to pay for it and why they had an entire social class that was named for their horse ownership.
>>1549418would still be better than random shit doomed to failure like ToB and troy
>>1530041It's literally a reskin of Troy.
>>1533974> the Era is militarily boringno lol> it would require naval combatnaval combat was not prevalent during this period, invaders would make landfall and set up camp> trade for bronze ingredients would be required as a mechanicbronze is its own resource, yes
>>1549628I'm trans btw.
The pharaoh looks like a tanned Mussolini
>>1551081He is not my Pharaoh yet boy, nor would I agree with that statement even if he were!
>>1547242Volound is the best thing to ever happen to CA. Any criticism, no wonder how cutting, can be brushed off by associating it with that autistic fuck.
>>1549183The Romans used cavalry extensively though. They just didn’t use native cavalry much until the high and late empire, but Rome always sought out good auxiliary cavalry and the numidians were often the deciding factor of battles
>>1547506>1 man Daniel (Resurrected) doom stack
>>1540184>Total TroyhammerMore like total troonhammer. The levels CA has stooped to after warhammer are just disgusting.
>>1552005kekthis anon is rightvolund was right on few issues but he also was plenty of wrong and he is a fag so it doesn't matter anyway
>>1552005What criticism? Players have been outright praising shit gameplay mechanics that were controversial when first introduced in Rome 2, and now get copy-pasted into re-labelled ones, because CA weren't being told they were shit. A situation they seemed too comfortable with.
>>1531166ahem. I'll try:> shirtless Egyptian peasants with small daggers> guys with those curved half arc swords> elephant riders> priests of rah who can spread disease and other spells> chariot riders> slave drivers with whips, maybe with a group of Jewish slaves> spearmen with shields > pharaohs bodyguards with traditional swords> Greek mercenaries
>>1550396Bronze needed to source copper and tin, two things not found near each other. Especially not during the times of the pharaos
>>1552435>Players have been outright praising shit gameplay mechanics that were controversial when first introduced in Rome 2, and now get copy-pasted into re-labelled ones, because CA weren't being told they were shit.Like what?
>>1549422Yeah if this was the 2000s I'd be excited but everything CA has released after warhammer has been complete dogshit, this is going to be another troyhammer, you just know.
>>1530041>We wuz Egyptian and sheeeeitDasssssss riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite
>>1546978No they don't you lying bitch.
Graphically the campaign map looks so good. That can't justify me buying it at full price though. I'll definitely get it eventually. They will most likely do a "we are abandoning the game" sale in a year or so.
I was somewhat open to preordering this, but now that it has cosmetics DLC as a preorder bonus I refuse.
>>1552683There isnt any. Total war players have been consistent in complaining about the series but shills need the fanbase to stay at war with itself so CA can continue pumping out garbage
>>1530041>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?>before it's even been releasedit's been released 2 or 3 times already under different names. i'm pretty sure they just reskinned troy. if troy sucked then reskinned troy will certainly suck.
