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Good. Let them die.
I only wish for sega to let feral finish the M2 remaster if there is one.

>>1525706
>CA seems to want to switch from Total War to Hyenas as their main source of income, because they view Hyenas as somehow more stable
This statement makes me doubt the validity of any of this. They aren't retarded. They've seen the response or lack thereof for Hyenas. They aren't retarded, at least when it comes to business.

>>1525725
All of my friends are hyped about Hyenas. It has genuine buzz.

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>>1525725
They're retarded enough to threaten to 3 Kingdoms Warhammer in a statement meant to appease people over the DLC pricing

>>1525727
Nothing in that statement says or implies that. They are being greedy fucks and saying "we need more money to support warhammer" and that's it. There's no implication of cancelling it if it doesn't sell well.

>>1525730
You're right, but 3's support has been incredibly anemic compared to 2. We got Chorfs, so I guess there is that, but CA knows that the remaining factions are literally who's and they refuse to add Araby or Amazons. They put themselves into this position and are now blaming the consumer for "lack of support".

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>>1525730
Read between the lines even slightly, anon

>>1525706
The more I stew on this the more I am convinced that GW is the one asking for more money. Don't get me wrong. CA was probably talking about raising prices but I just feel that GW came in and said that they need to be paid more for the use of their IP. I wish we could see the contract that CA and GW created for TWW.

Hopefully if the DLC does well we will see Ind in the future. Probably not but I can hope.

>>1525737
GW is 100% at fault here. There has never been a more greedy company to operate out of the UK.

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>>1525737
>>1525740
Yup, they directly mention GW in the 2022 report

>>1525741
>competition for these licences is intense
LMAO, GW will hand it out to any literally anyone. Warhammer Total War is just too successful and GW wants a bigger piece of the pie.
I'd honestly expect a delist of 1 or 2 from Steam in the near future (5 or so years).

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>>1525740
Um, Anon... the British really took the "greedy company" mainstream with this after the Dutch invented them.

At the Gates of Hell stand a Britisher, a Spaniard and a Dutchman arguing about a gate tax.
The Jew bought his way into Heaven.

>>1525752
And I am telling you that GW is the worst of them all. They try to jew people with PAINT. Fucking paint.

>>1525725
>business monkeys
>not retarded

>>1525732
You're creating gaps between them that don't exist. This is nothing but them capitalising on increasing costs to milk their whales. Again, nothing there implies they are going to bim warhammer if you don't pay the new price. They'd make more money reducing the price again rather than binning it completely. Whereas 3K wasn't making any profit from its DLCs so there was just no point. WH3 will always make a profit from its content.

>>1525742
I suspect it a combo of GW asking for more and the now growing cultural popularity drawing in more eyes. Shits going to explode if Henry is successful with his 40k tv series.

>>1525706
New survival stealth Alien game when

>>1525752
reminder you wouldnt get this kind of post before the terminally retarded horde of third worlders found this website post 2016

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>>1525706
I've been saying this for a long time already. CA HATES Total War and wants to run away from it. They are desperately, in panic, looking for a way out. They are a fuckhuge AAA studio, biggest one in UK and one of the largest ones in world and they are stuck with some strategy games for autists and incels. They want to make games for masses like other big boys do

Empire was a travesty and Napoleon basically an expansion. People always claim that Shogun 2 is the best and apparently everyone likes it the most, but it was never actually popular. It's consistently one of the least played Total Wars, it only got boost when it went f2p. Rome 2 was a success, but it ruined their reputation and Atilla was a flop, which is especially obvious given that CA preferred to make updates and expansions for Rome 2 instead

Ever since then Total War is no longer theirs. Whoever struck a deal with GW hit a goldmine and saved them, but it's basically a deal with the devil. They need to share Total War with GW now and Warhammerfags have ZERO interest in their other titles. They made ToB, a game where they doubled down on historical aspects to appeal to historyfags and they trashed it, while Warhammerfags ignored it. ToB failure proved that it's pointless to create games for historyfags. They tried to appeal to another, new playerbase - chinks and they failed after initial good start. Troy was free

So the way out was meant to be Hyeans and they were pumping Warhammerfags money into it. They would be happy to have normalfag woke game/series they could milk easily like other big boys do and could abandon strategy games. But turns out it will be a failure. Its a game late to the party, ignored by most and mocked by those who saw it. Their dreams are shattered. It will be a flop, there is no way around it. So now they had to limp back to Total War, but even Warhammerfags are becoming unruly. Total Warhammer lasted for too long. New title is needed, but all their attempts fail.

>>1525737
This would be weird. Video games are essentially a free marketing for GW and nothing more. GW makes a vast majority of its profits from paints and miniatures, despite not wanting to expand their production capabilities, which means that a huge part of all their models is constantly out of stock despite people wanting to throw money at them lol. All other sources like books and video games are basically insignificant. And this includes Horus Heresy books and TW:W.
Their deal was apparently made to last until 2025, though I don't even remember where I read it. If that's the case, it would be weird if GW could alter their deal. Bigger problem is that after 2025 CA should lose Warhammer Fantasy Battle license. Since CA can't make a nonWarhammer title successful they are fucked. Total Warhammer is already massive and I personally got mostly burned out by it during TW:W2. I guess others can feel this same. Their history titles are flopping, so they need a new license for a popular setting. If they could get Lotr that would be great, but they may fail. AoS has no content and at best it could be a Saga game made out of reused Total Warhammer assets. Asoiaf/got is dead. This essentially leaves 40k as their only option, especially that 40k is on its way to be the Next Big Thing. And in this case GW might want to take bigger piece of a cake, especially given that CA is in such a difficult situation. They are pretty much addicted to GW now. Almost as if they were their slaves. I guess they can always pull out Medieval 3. They have to keep this title to save them in their darkest hour. But right now, when their deal is already in place, how could GW alter it?

>>1525791
>I've been saying this for a long time already. CA HATES Total War and wants to run away from it.
You and I both know that's not true. TW is CA and they know it. If the people that work at CA hated TW they wouldn't work at CA.

>>1525807
NTA, but we live in the era of "devs wear company as a skinsuit and secretly hate their own products".

>>1525706
The whole Warhammer franchise is fantasy nerd cringe and has nothing to do with the Total War series, which is dedicated to historical warfare. They should dump it and return to their roots.

>>1525815
Shougn 1 is a spiritual successor to Shadow of the Horned Rat. They returned to their roots by making Warhammer

>>1525827
Shogun 1 is still one of the best CA game and definitely better of two Shogun games they made

>>1525815
Sorry anon, best we can do is a DOA Fortnite clone :^)

>>1525706
>we don;t need historical chuds we have our fantasy games now!
>n-no GW please don't do thi-ACK
Good. I'm glad they're dying.

>>1525737
What is there to add for WH3 anymore? Did they not add chorfs in yet or what? Or some missing units for some factions?
I kind of stopped caring about Warhammer after 2, since I only like dark elves anyway.
CA should make their own fantasy setting, or maybe make Medieval 3 (but good).

>>1525791
>Shogun 2 is the best and apparently everyone likes it the most,
Nah, for me it's Med2? Nostalgia? Yeah, but I also don't care about Jap history that much.

>>1525860
There's some characters for factions left. Most factions have a handful of people they could add. Outside of that, they have to start digging into side lore like dogs of war, Ind, Nippon and all that shit. But doubt they will create any new factions now thay GW is interested in the setting again. Vampire Coast was fine because GW didn't care. Now they do, so not allowed unless we monetise it first.

>>1525790
Post hand with timestamp to prove you aren't a thirdie calling out other thirdies to make yourself look like less of a thirdie ESL

>>1525883
Dogs of War might have been good, to give Southern Realms a make over and add mercenary mechanic into the game, the rest I don't care too much. But anyway, I moved on from Warhammer, setting is just too much of a kitchen sink mess for me, I just like dark elf goth elf aesthetic.
Medieval 3 is what I want, but I fear they would just make a mess of it, not innovate or do it poorly, flood us with faction dlcs (or on the flipside we won't get enough factions) and so on. There is always Stainless Steel mod...
I could also kind of want to see them making their own fantasy game, but I'm probably in minority here, that and they probably wouldn't make it to my taste anyway.
What I would want to see be basically Ashila total wat (or basically early medieval look) but fantasy setting, so you can add magic or whatever else you want for flavor.
But this is just wishful dreaming. Might as well, since I would need a new PC at that point.

>>1525883
To be fair Vampire Coast was basically an excuse to add Dreadfleet stuff.

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Wh-what's all this about hyenas

>>1525860
Spriggans and Curds

>>1525860
Dogs of War (not happening)
Araby (not happening)
Ind (space filling faction, at least Cathay did things in the background)
Khuresh (space filling faction, even worse than Ind)
Nippon (not on map, not happening)

>>1525727
And here i thought marketing cunts were taught not to be passive aggresive when communicating with their clients, kek

>>1525868
Tried Medieval 2 again due to my fond memories of it and found the comparatively unresponsiveness of the commands, the stickiness of units and the pathfinding inside small towns utterly disgusting (compared to Shogun 2); i guess I will have to wait for CA to make MTW3.

>>1525725
The fact that the decided to do a lot of shitty yearly TW instead of few good ones means that they were infected by the ubisoft virus. Hyenas is a sign of that too. Ubisoft is near failure because they wanted the next game as a service, spending a lot of budget on that and failing. Fortnite was a disgrace from that point of view because everyone tried to do their own multiplayer printing money shooter, with different results.

>>1525909
I agree on those problems, and frankly, at the end of the day I mostly just played mods, like Stainless Steel, but it's still the best TW game to me, even if due to nostalgia.
But yes, Med3 is really needed, it's just that I don't have hopes of it being good enough.

>>1525706
To be fair, they are not threating or implying that clearly as you imply. I'm not sure that the can kill TW:WH right now without the next big game being out. Without TW: WH there is nothing. If that happen it would be a suicidal move done by suits, but look too much retarded even for their standards.

>>1525803
Their historical titles flop because they were produced yearly lime assassin's creed as slightly modified souless clones. They thought that "less budget-more games" was going to be the formula of the future, but when we talk about not licensed games, the players want significant advancement, improvement and scaling, with more deep historical game mechanics. The last game that did the illusion of a "main" historical title was 3 Kingdoms but they killed it and alienated the chinese market (I still don't understan why). But even 3kingdoms, considering the later games, just feel like another "Saga" title. I'm not even sure the divide between "saga" and "main" it's still there. All the post tw games feel too much like corporate homework to meet suits deadlines.

>>1525807
Suits HR can dismantle a company identity every new hire

>>1525791
ToB was bad because the entire "Total War Saga" moniker is a retarded way to sell small-scale expansion pack sized Total War games for the price of a full game which is atrocious, not to mention, neither historical autists nor normal fags like Viking Age Britannia.
I concede that Attila not getting enough sales was retarded though, even though it a lot of the issues with Rome 2. Three Kingdoms failed because of the fact it appealed to the Chinese. The Chinese have gorillion adaptations of the fantastical version of the Three Kingdoms almost every few years. It'd be refreshing to the Chinese if CA made it more historical, but instead they made a historical-fantasy hybrid which the Chinese have had to experience a ton of times.
Total War Troy failed because it launched on the Epic Games store and was (again) marketed as a Total War Saga game. Total War Pharaoh may have more success but I doubt it because they are handling the marketing pretty poorly
They should unironically revisit the Total Warrior IP that they wanted to do in the 2000s, that one was fairly experimental and an interesting concept even if it was a GoW rip-off or alternatively they could always see what worked. After all, Alien Isolation worked, why not continue doing stuff like that instead of being retarded and making shit people DON'T want?
Also Medieval 3 being actually good would probably be their safest bet.

>>1525860
>CA should make their own fantasy setting
But what's ridiculous is, they actually have a ton of fantasy and sci-fi IPs they could revisit instead of pumping out Warhammer
>Middle-Earth
>Elric
>Black Company
>Dune
>40k
etc
I have no idea why the fuck they milked the Warhammer Fantasy IP with fucking three games. I can understand two, but it's ridiculous they wasted their attempt to branch out by making three fucking games. I've said this from day 1 (and got shit by both historyfags and fantasyfags), I am not against them exploring fantasy, I am against them milking a single IP and transferring the fantasy elements onto the historical games. It's absurd

>>1525934
Most of those fantasy settings are frankly either boring to me, or they are better for different genres, not Total War.
Like yes, I like Black Company (at least the first book), but not as a Total War game.
I'm tired of this rehash, reboot shit, it's the same thing with movies, they just make sequels, prequels of the same slop over and over again... My ideal fantasy game would probably be something that mixed early medieval/late antiquity aesthetics (think of Bannerlord, Attila total war) with fantasy elements (magic, creatures). Genre could be any - Skyrim/New Vegas style RPG, or maybe Total War game (or why not both).

Lmao, CA really made a pact with the devil when they started Warhammer line of TWs. Now they have a fanbase that doesnt care about non WH TWs and Gw lawyers breathing down their necks

>>1525791
Couldn't have said it better

>>1525933
Total War Saga has the problem of Med2 Kingdoms. You get factions locked behind a dlc map. That's why I ended up just playing Stainless Steel - more factions on one map. That and better aesthetics for some units.

>>1525954
Not that I want to shit on concept on mini campains, but those tend to be better with story elements, a different sort of game than Total War sandbox offers. I doubt a lot of anons would want a total war style game that had story and cut away the typical over map campaign sandbox. Or maybe some would, Myth has a cult follwibg and would be a bit like that, but with total war style rts combat.

>>1525888
>hyenas
i had no idea what this was and i click on the gameplay trailer
>hero shooter
>5v5 or similar smaller numbers
>retarded oversaturated fortnite coloring and color palette
>MP only
>hero shooter BUT LE SPACE!
yea...this shit is DOA we have seen dozens of these lame as fuck hero shooters flop hard

>>1525957
The tutorial mini-campaign in TW3 was well-received after all. Some people might be into this.

why are these retards doing this. just remaster med 2 but dont do it half assed like with rome. you dont even have to do much.
>works on Win 7
>dont touch the UI or if you do, at least be able to switch between classic UI and nu UI
>all modding unlocked day one
>improve the AI substantially so its not a pain in the ass with sieges and battles
thats literally it. thats all you have to do. no need for new voice acting or new intros just FIX whats already there and LEAVE IT. you would sell so many copies and have the forever gratitude of your playerbase.

>>1525972
>works on Win 7
I'm sure this will be their main concern when even steam is abandoning it

>>1525836
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

>>1525726
Why? I and many others in this very thread have never heard of it, and by the looks of things it is going to be an extremely generic 5v5 multiplayer shooter.

>>1525706
Fake "true" reports links working as per usuall for the good consumer plebs to still having their fake hopes...

>>1525706
Cool report bro, wich chinese neet you contact to give you this obviously fake shit, and how much did cost bro?

>>1525706
Another moment of "let's see how many mental children believe this shit to enter the fake train of AAA companies being bad."

>>1525836
And the fire gets you wet, and the water burns.

>>1525706
This look old as shit, anon.

>>1525976
many old fags still use it because its easier to properly run older TW on it
and to whom you try to sell remasters if not to them?
>>1525972
I would not mind if they added some more options, extra rulesets, customisable difficulty or expanded(optional rooster) or extra factions(as a option)

>>1525706
This is notes to financial statements and not a strategic report. It is also a public filing and kot a leak

>>1525972
they're selling nothing for $25 to warhammer whales, remastering a game requires to at least start up a computer

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>>1525939
Middle-Earth can absolutely work as a Total War game. Tolkien constructed a world that is suited for it. And if the ditch the movies aesthetic and go for something like the Russian LoTR book illustrations then it would absolutely fit your ideal of an early medieval/late antiquity style fantasy game.
Dune as well would be very well suited as a setting it's very inspired by history
I can concede for Black Company as that's something I kind of thought of when I was struggling to think of some expansive fantasy settings. I did consider Elric and Moorcock's Multiverse as a whole, but I realize a huge issue is that the setting is so schizophrenic that it would be difficult to make a Total War game out of it.
>I'm tired of this rehash, reboot shit, it's the same thing with movies, they just make sequels, prequels of the same slop over and over again...
I agree

>>1525954
But that's not the only issue with Saga, it's just one of it's issues. Having a mini-campaign set in a more isolated smaller conflict can work, but the issue is making it a standalone game instead of DLC like what every other pre-Saga game did. Hell Fall of the Samurai was this but was retroactively made into a Saga game for some bizarre fucking reason.
Saga is just poor marketing because it's confusing, inconsistent and retarded. On top of that it's just an excuse for CA to give it the same price tag as a fully priced game instead of an expansion pack type price. It's ridiculous since Fall of the Samurai and yes even Kingdoms sold a lot. It's when the Saga rebranding started that people stopped giving a shit, it also doesn't help that Saga's entire aesthetic makes the game look like some mobile game shit. Compare the pre-Saga Steam banner for Fall of the Samurai to the one they used when it got rebranded to Saga. It makes people pass it thinking it's some garbage cash grab spin-off, that's why ToB in particular failed. Troy failed because of that and the fact it was a Day 1 Epic Games launch.

>>1525706
Paying for constantly prolonging their license on Denuvo - which they use for all of their games - must also cost a fait bit, seeing as every other AAA studio drops it within 12 months at most.

>>1525909
>unresponsiveness of the commands, the stickiness of units
Play Rome: Total War instead, then. Medieval 2 is slower but feels weightier, while Rome is faster but feels lighter.
>the pathfinding inside small towns
Town pathfinding has always been shit. It's pretty bad even in Total Warhammer

>>1525731
>but CA knows that the remaining factions are literally who's

>Estalia
>Tilea
>Albion

Albion had several novels and one full tabletop campaign set within it, so it's not some obscure land.

Tilea and Estalia had multiple novels, as well.

>>1525731
They can always do Age of Sigmar

>>1526029
They should, it would burn all of the WHF good will they have gained, and assblast the history fans even further.

>>1525934
Honestly, I'd be fine even it were some OC fantasy setting. Then they could experiment and make up some more creative mechanics for different factions.

>>1525706
>Hyenas
I'm old and I don't even know what this is.I also refuse to look it up.

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>>1525706
>fantasoy manchildren are gonna end up being the end of CA even after they mindlessly threw all their money at them
its beautiful

>>1525934
>>1526035
i would like a series of procedurally generated maps to play on short campaigns in a low fantasy setting with an army i can freely customize to my liking even during play.
is that so hopeless to wish for?

>>1525791
>Why didn't you buy Angloids VS Vikangz, historyfag? You killed TW!
Maybe don't try to sell something that comes off like a quarter of M2 Kingdoms for full price and especially don't make it about vikangz, the one thing that people with general interest in pre-modern history are more fed up with than knights, samurai and Romans.

>>1525706
>CA seems to want to switch from Total War to Hyenas as their main source of income, because they view Hyenas as somehow more stable

That is a very bold assumption. I had never heard of this game before this post, and the trailer on YouTube only has like 40k views. The zero gravity gimmick and the gun-play seems like they have some potential, but also seem massively risky if it just doesn't work. The decision to go with what (I think) is an all-female cast is also bizarre for a desperate company. Why worry about padding your ESG score when in you're such a precarious situation, where you don't trust your flagship product and are trying to rebrand your company at the same time?
I understand not wanting to rely on a partnership with GeeDubs for your company's revenue, but there's money to be made in niche, nerdy IPs that are looking to expand themselves. Why not stick with that? It beats Hyenas, which looks both generic (another hero shooter) and risky (gun-play, zero gravity gimmick) at the same time.
It looks to me that there's a serious disconnect between the suits and their audience. The suits are relying too much on raw market data, I guarantee that some "industry expert" told them that hero shooters are in and that only nerds like Warhammer, without taking in market saturation into regard.

>>1525706
The fuck's Hyena lmao

>>1526028
Dogs of War aren't happening.

>>1526027
>Medieval 2 is slower but feels weightier
I tried to gaslight myself with this cope but peasants 'n shit shouldn't feel weighter.

>Town pathfinding has always been shit. It's pretty bad even in Total Warhammer
Haven't play Warhammer but in comparison to Shogun 2, Medieval 2 does have a significantly worse pathfinding (with problems like units schizoing in place).

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>>1525706
GW gets paid to have best advertising campaign they could hope for and they still want more. GW as always masters at not making money.

Not that CA is any better in wanting to kill themselves.

>>1526302
""female"" there does seem to be actual males too

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>>1526432
Fucking hell these are all terrible

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This is like a parody

>>1526439
>the Crack
>the Taint
How juvenile.

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Remember real gamers buy our merch.

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>black muslim called Mozie
>starts stealing shit the moment he gets angry
Parody is dead

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Why did Sega let them do this? And will Sonic Fox sue?

I think that's it.

>>1526450
>Southern White male loves rock music, mud bogging and pyrotechnics

I'm not even from dixie and I feel a bit offended. Is this how niggers feel when we say they love watermelon and chicken?

>>1526432
It's weird, the trailer shows almost all females. And calling them "Hyenas" would make sense if it was women only, considering Hyenas have a matriarchal social structure.
I'm willing to bet the original plan was no males at all. Honestly I would probably prefer that to having a TIM, a professional gaymer, a communist, a flanderized southerner, and a fucking furry

>>1526467
The whole fucking thing is bizarre. It stinks of death, how they think this will appeal to anyone is beyond me.

>>1525807
Lmao how did you get here from 1996

>>1525706
Maybe if they stopped developing shit for factions nobody at all cared about, they could sell more? Who the fuck cares about Cathay at all? Why was Kislev given a entirely unique roster instead of being a broader Empire Province expansion? The only actually good DLC is Champions of Chaos, and that's only because they made Chaos feel how they should have when they launched back in Warhammer 1, Chaos Dwarves and Ogres were cool but ultimately lackluster and focused around boring doomstacks instead of utilizing the full army roster. Stop giving us shit for literal nobody made up factions and start adding stuff for the actually cool or relevant ones. And for the love of god no more fucking rats or lizards.

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>>1526488
Rats will see one more if they don't kill the game. Still need Thanquol. Probably around the time they finally give us Nagash.

>>1526452
I can't believe Chris-chan is a playable character now.

>>1526452
The place is called the Taint? And it's full of gay furries? There's no way this isn't on purpose, Brits are too attentive to crude double entendre like that.

>>1526524
maybe its made to fail?

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I knew it was a long shot hoping for Med 3 or ETW 2 but jesus christ these niggers really know how to put a shot through the head of anyone hoping for the same
also >>1525939
classic case of forgetting where you come from

>>1526578
>>1525945
this is post I meant. am druk

>>1526488
Honestly I thought Chaos Dwarfs were great
The mechanics and roster were really fun
Stupidly OP because there isn't really anything they're bad at except artillery duels, but fun

>>1525706
I had no idea wtf Hyenas was and I....just no words really
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgjzV4FchL8
>207000+ views
>barely over 200 likes

LOL, just imagine how big the dislike count is

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>>1526592
That's about what I figured

>>1526592
>almost nobody give enough fuck to dislike
that is really something

Hyenas is going to kill CA. They're pouring everything they have into it and it's absolutely going to flop hard.
And I was absolutely convinced we were gonna see 40K Total War.

>>1527722
>Hyenas is going to kill CA.
Inshallah

>>1527722
>total war 40k
literally the only thing that can save this company at this point. I'm willing to bet money that as soon as Hyenas flounder, they're going to announce 40k total war to salvage stock price even if absolute no work has been put into it.

>>1525934
truth is that they hit a very unique opportunity with Warhammer. it's a big fanbase composed of dedicated nerds in their 30s-40s, that were already absolutely used to spending ridiculous amounts of money on their hobby and also were starved out of good games for years.

None of the other franchises you mentioned have a group of nerds quite like this. and an OC would be a trash fire as we all know

>>1527754
Don't forget that for a while TW was the last refuge for WHFB as a setting. They won't get that with 40k which is still going strong for now.

>>1527754
>that were already absolutely used to spending ridiculous amounts of money on their hobby
Vast majority of TWW players are secondaries who never owned any models.

Tabletop wargaming isn't also that expensive. It's normal hobby as far as prices go. Video games are an abnormally cheap hobby.

>>1525737
The truth of the matter is that GW desperately wants to can any form of long term success Warhammer has in video games. They want small games that get a bit of buzz then are forgotten.
The reason is simple, Games Workshop operates on a business model that is utterly outdated. They sell PLASTIC MINIS for gods sake. You could create an exact 1:1 video game version of tabletop WHFB or 40k easily and that terrifies GW, because it would completely KILL their primary business. Do you think anyone would spend literally hundreds of dollar, potentially even thousands, on plastic shit you have to paint yourself, if they had the option of just buying an online multiplayer version for $60 with race packs for another $15? Not a chance.

GW is terrified of Total War: Warhammer multiplayer taking off and they're doing everything they can to wrestle the rights away from CA so they don't have to deal with the competition to their outdated tabletop medium.

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>people still think a total warhammer 40k is possible
Why do you motherfuckers still want to see a franchise that does not partake itself to line formations or napoleonic era style of warfare to be made into a total war game?
>b-but Epic-
Isn't an argument, the square base plates were chosen so you can have modularity in the size of a squad, not as a representation of the tactics of the horus heresy era and even then each plates only has up to 5 models represented, compare it to Warmaster, its fantasy equivalent, which also has square plates but cram from 8 to 30 models per plates

When CA shit out a total world war 1 or 2 you will have a genuine precedent to base your wish on for a 40k equivalent, until then you're as delusional as the historyfags who believe they are the true audience of CA that will keep them afloat financially if they cater to them.

>>1527769
>Do you think anyone would spend literally hundreds of dollar, potentially even thousands, on plastic shit you have to paint yourself
Yes, because hobbying aspects is 90% of the appeal. Wargame is of a tertiary concern, and it's just something to do once per few months with models. It's an artistic medium, consumerist aspect of simply playing a game is not really relevant. Assembling, sculpting, converting, kitbashing and painting is the entire point. There is literally 0 chance it would cause any harm to tabletop

>>1527722
>Hyenas is going to kill CA.
and nothing of value was lost

>>1527775
>Yes, because hobbying aspects is 90% of the appeal. Wargame is of a tertiary concern
You sound like a 2015 GW press release, in other words retarded. Even they don't think that anymore.

>>1527775
>because hobbying aspects is 90% of the appeal
the majority of people under 30 I've played with kvetch constantly about how they should be able to buy their minis preassembled and prepainted
I think they should be drowned, but you're living in the past - these are the vanguard of normies fucking everything up for us

>>1527811
nah he's right, if the appeal was the game itself they would have bankrupted anyway from people using proxy or more recently 3d printers.
that they always feared videogames is not that hard to imagine thought.

>>1527769
>Do you think anyone would spend literally hundreds of dollar, potentially even thousands, on plastic shit you have to paint yourself, if they had the option of just buying an online multiplayer version for $60 with race packs for another $15? Not a chance.
My man, you don't understand tabletop (or mini models in general) autists.

>>1527819
Buying bootleg minis is like paying for pirate CDs. No company has been meaningfully threatened by this regardless of their pricing model or their place on hobbyism vs wargame scale, it's a non-argument that proves nothing.

>>1525921
Tech industry was/is undergoing a layoff crunch so chances are CA just closed 3K early just for financial reasons.

>>1527838
yes exactly.
that is why GW main income is not threatened by cheap 3D copies existing only inside the videogame.

>>1527860
Going back to the pirated CDs example, people don't buy those (anymore) but they do buy digital albums. And the videogames in question are neither bootleg, nor are they "cheap" (TW models have more detail than the minis they represent in most cases). Videogames also appeal to more people in general, and the 20s-40s male market segment already struggles from extreme competition for limited spending power. The oldheads might not switch to TW full-time (well, they almost did, why else do you think they brought back WHFB in form of the Old World?), but getting new people into the hobby is gonna be that much harder when a more accessible (and I mean actually accessible, not 40k 10th edition dumbed down "accessible") alternative exists in the same setting.

>>1525807
If people at CA didn't hate TW, why have they failed to make a proper TW game for so long? Instead opting to make arcade and mobile-style parody games and call those Total War.

>>1525807
The people running the show right now probably think of Alien: Isolation as their finest hour. And given their output since then they're not even wrong.

>>1527769
>Spend thousands on miniatures that can be used in thousands of tabletop games of differing types (skirmish, rank-n-flank, dioramas, roleplaying games, probably others I can't think off), where even just building historical/"historical"/althistory armies/regiments/units is in of it self a large part of the hobby.
>Or do the same for one (1) video game and it's dlc, that you DONT control the rules of (no going back and playing Xedition here), where they attempt to kill off third party content (mods and map editors), and can disappear tomorrow (always online, verification servers, no physical media, hardware/software incompatability, account bans in general, bankrupt companies leaving things in legal limbo).
Yeah, remember when the model tanks/airplanes/ships hobbies disappeared from existance when Warthunder/World of X launched?
Or how no-one makes model trains anymore due to Railroad Tycoon?

Games Workshop controlls exactly what warhammer video games get made, and they will take legal action against any 1:1 video game versions that scare them. They have still greenlit games that have better rules and controls than their physical games.

>>1527910
>>1527888

also now you don't own your copy of the game since it's all on steam and can't be resold.
meanwhile even ugly minia from decades ago still have their market on ebay and sometimes are even worth more if not painted too badly.

>>1527914
you have never owned your copy of the game. all physical "ownership" did was allow you to play the game without having to connect to servers first. which also stopped being possible like 15 years ago with discs just being round objects to tell a server to download the game when you put it in.

>>1527770
It wont be adaptation the the tabletop game you absolute mongoloid, it will be adaptation if the setting, and they will do it, even though it will be cashgrab

>>1526029
They have the fanatsy license, not the Sigmar one, they'd have have to pony up even more money than what they paid for fantasy, and they don't even want to pay for fantasy according to OP.

>>1527937
>never owned
>physical ownership

i mean, you could sell something you paid for those bucks you spent, now you can't as opposite with miniatures.
that was the point i wanted to make now you can stop telling me i'm right and return to the meat of the discussion.

>>1527722
>>1527731
They should make Medieval 3 unironcially.
I don't see why not

I don't think that GW is the issue like some anons are suggesting. They're known to be stupidly loose with their IP. Look how many trash 40k games there are. The license for fantasy probably costs pennies for CA.

>>1525981
>I and many others in this very thread
Well you DO live in an echochamber, so...

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>>1525706
>No fucking idea what this Hyenas is (besides the animal)
>Google it
>First result is pic related
Ah yes, Payday meets Saints Row '22, such a brilliant idea...

>>1526452
>minor internet celebrity
>hates bullies
>is called naive
>loves pop culture
>worships fictional characters
it's chris chan alright

>>1525771
>Again, nothing there implies they are going to bim warhammer if you don't pay the new price
Holy shit do you have no reading comprehension at all?
>Ensuring we're able to offer the years of extra content that are currently planned
That means, if we don't make bigger margins, we're binning that extra content. Whether that's ACTUALLY TRUE or not is a different matter.

>>1528074
You forgot something
THE TAINT

/vst/ is THE place to go to, if you want to see absolute retards be fucking wrong. Like this guy >>1527939

>>1528073
In the same boat
What an absolute garbagefire, reminds me of that failed latecomer battle royale game 'Radical Heights'

>>1527775
>>1527823
>>1527769
It's really easy to put tabletop to computer. During the pandemic, some guys in an ancients wargame I play turned the thing into a roll20 page. The result is that matches per week went up by 500%. Fortunately we're a hobbyist-published game and rely on third parties for figures, but we've driven the rules guys completely insane with our constant requests for arbitration.

>>1528102
he is right tho
dawn of war or warhammer tw were not tablet games but adaptation of the settings

>>1528427
In the setting do 40k guys line up in fields for pitched battles?

>>1528433
it would need have different system maybe even different engine

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>>1528433
Yes

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>They don't form lines in 40k!
They kinda do, honestly. Space Marines aren't usually seen using cover, Orks don't use cover, Nids don't use cover, Eldar probably think cover is beneath them and use shields, Chaos cultists and Chaos Space Marines don't use cover unless it's the Blood Pact.
Imperial Guard should use cover, but even then you can give them the ability to dig a trench or lay down sandbags before the battle. The mainstay of an IG army should be the tanks anyway. We've already seen that a formation can have its models do different things from each other, like the Nurgling unit.
Honestly there isn't anything that a 40k Total War would have that isn't already in the game. People have even gotten bunkers and barbed wire to work in game.

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>>1527939
ESL-kun, reread what i said : the setting doesn't partake itself to line formations or napoleonic era style of warfare, something that is pretty much the core design of total war skirmish gameplay
Dawn of War is unironically the best adaptation of the 40k setting in skirmish, with the first installment being somewhat odd because of the squad system and their movement, this was however fixed by relic in CoH and DoW2 later with a more fluidified and amorphous movement system and squad shape that can adapt itself to cover

>>1528449
TWW's most amorphous units formation will still try to be as square as possible in their movements, CA cheated a bit with the nurglings by dumping a lot of effort into their animations but the design flaw is still there
The imperial guard is the closest you can argue for a line formation, the problem is that their tactics and doctrines are purely based on WW1 trench warfare which forego the concept of napoleonic line infantry completely

If CA ever make a new RTS franchise about WW1/2 or somehow manage to adapt total war for it, i'll accept that i was wrong and i will kneel, until then i'll keep calling you retards delusional for believing it is possible or simple.

>>1525791
you said it perfectly, hell most warhammer players probably don't even KNOW about the existence of historical total wars

>>1526015
>Hell Fall of the Samurai was this but was retroactively made into a Saga game for some bizarre fucking reason.
it's so that players clicking the saga section would see "oh there was another game in this saga series that had good reviews so this new one must be ok" (this is why FOTS got review bombed btw)

>>1526617
probably because dislikes are hidden now and normiecattle can't into browser extensions

>>1525981
generic shooter is FAR more profitable than a strategy game
especially when you have to hand out royalties to GW

So if CA were fighting tooth and nail to keep making Warhammer games why the fuck would you keep developing then when you know it's literally killing your company every game

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>>1525706
To be fair, Hyenas looks absolutely poggers so I too have high hopes of them succeeding with it.

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>>1528461
Ravenous packs of mindless ghouls form neat little lines in Warhammer, both the videogame and tabletop. There's some shit you just overlook.

WW1/2 is a different matter because it was a real war fought with real people.

>>1528507
I absolutely love pink-purple neons anarcho transpunk. i never get tired of that sheen

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>>1528519
>Ravenous packs of mindless ghouls form neat little lines in Warhammer
Not in videogames they don't, DoW1 is an exception, tyranids units in DoW2 (as well as every other factions) all behave as an amorphous squad
For tabletop its a meta reason regarding rulebooks and "balance", see picrel as to why
>WW1/2 is a different matter because it was a real war fought with real people.
And the napoleonic wars aren't ? explain total war empire then
My point is that there is a massive doctrine and tactic gap between those two eras, one being pioneered by the concept of line infantry and a copious use of field artillery, the other making line infantry and related tactics completely obsolete due to the emergence of machineguns and quick development in long range indirect fire artillery supplanting field artillery use
Cavalry had it rough anyway, advances in firearms and line infantry use of bayonets during the napoleonic era practically made them obsolete and by the time of WW1 they were useless until the very late appearance of modern tank design philosophy starting with the FT-17

Again, if CA can make a total war WW1 work, i'll kneel, until then you're all retarded

>>1526436
hang on is that also a guy

>>1528461
>ESL-kun
>doesn't partake itself to line

The delicious irony.

>>1528542
>Not in videogames they don't
What? You fucking said earlier everything was in squares in TWW. I'll admit they aren't neat but they're all in fucking lines. The only things a 40k TW game needs to work is a robust cover system, slightly looser formations and functioning pathfinding. You're going to tell me you can't see a version of this with 'nids?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRv0yx_z0_4

The entire point is ravenous monsters going around in formation IS ALREADY HAPPENING. Not only on the tabletop but in the game. The world wars are not tabletop games, they're real and therefore would did not involve going around in rectangles thus yes, it would be very silly to make a game where they do that. 40k does not have this problem.

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>>1528726
>What? You fucking said earlier everything was in squares in TWW. I'll admit they aren't neat but they're all in fucking lines.
I assumed the "mindless ghouls" part was an innaccurate hyperbole description of tyranids since you also posted a 40k tabletop game, not the actual vampire count unit
Despite the restriction of base squares, GW still tried to design the mini's poses to be as varied as possible, the nurglings and snotlings ones having the advantages of multiple minis on a singular base
>The only things a 40k TW game needs to work is a robust cover system, slightly looser formations and functioning pathfinding
Dynamic cover isn't difficult to implement and it is technically already there if you consider the unit interaction with walls.
The unregular formation of some of the technically uncoordinated units is merely an illusion, move the formation and you'll see they'll maintain the formation shape until the inevitable melee blobs, to have an actual unit moving in a fluid swarm where each models cross each other's paths or have the formation's "boundaries" fluctuate in size and shape you would need to rework how units themselves are controlled as well as dumping a massive amount of effort on backend pathfinding tech (which could lead to really unoptimised spec requirements or the most intertwined spaghetti code to date, one could cheat a bit and make individual models clips through each others which would reduce the potential overhead needed for decent pathfinding but units clipping through each other's physic boxes can lead to really, REALLY janky melee fights and "cinematic" closeups on a unit's movements)

That would require a lot of effort from CA when they don't seem bothered by gamebreaking bugs introduced in TWW3 and never fixed to this day

>>1528789
>>>/tg/

>>1525752
>At the Gates of Hell stand a Britisher, a Spaniard and a Dutchman
Add in a Frenchman and you have the protagonists of our story, standing tall and true against the insectoid hordes of soulless apes.

>>1528789
You'll find everything in videogames is an illusion. From lighting to AI the whole thing is sleight of hand tricks. The point is you have undead swarms, you have skaven swarms, you have demonic swarms, you have wild fucking animals in giant packs, all in TW formations. It's fine, there's nothing wrong 'nids in those sorts of formations. It happens on the tabletop, it can happen in a game.

Pathfinding is the biggest issue. They can't do pathfinding now, and 40k terrain is typically rather more dense than Warhammer's. And while trying to setup firing lanes? Fucking hell.

>>1528800
Retard.

>>1528464
The funny thing about the whole "FOTS is now a Saga" shit is that I bought FOTS during the last steam sale and after checkout it appeared as if I bought Shogun 2+dlcs

>>1525706
If they are going to gamble huge amounts of money on a project, not just make their own fantasy IP instead of trying to make a hero shooter?

>>1529018
SEGA wanted an arena shooter in their portfolio thanks to overwatch, fortnite etc. The only studio under their umbrella that had FPS experience was CA.

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>>1526432
>>1526436
>>1526437
>>1526439
/v/ is making fun of CA new game :(

>>1528449
IG uses squads and trench warfare. The only time they'd form lines is against Nids.

>>1525957
I don't like colouring the map, yeah I would like the option to play a campaign with a more strict approach

>>1529031
I don't... think Alien: Isolation qualifies CA for that. I know it's first person perspective, but it's not really a "shooter".

>>1526432
>>1526436
>>1526437
Is this supposed to be a new Creative Assembly game?

>>1529031
>>1529954
Alien Isolation was survival horror, it absolutely wasn't a shooter even if shooting was involved. You may as well claim that Shogun 2: FOTS was a shooter cause you could go into FPS mode.

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>>1530023
Just double checked Sega subsidiaries - Amplitude with the Endless stuff, Fatlus, and a bunch of mobile game makers.

...

Maybe the autists at CA will make another miracle happen. Who the fuck expected Alien: Isolation, really?

>>1530023
We talking jap boomers. To them it's FPS.

>>1525752
>britisher
hello sir

>>1530049
Alien Isolation has a story behind it. The devs seemingly arrived at CA, made the game, and then immediately left. It had to be some sort of networking thing, where the CA execs knew the A:I devs and were like "look, you don't have enough clout as an indie to score the Alien IP but we do, come make the game for us" and that was that.

>>1530185
>Alien Isolation has a story behind it. The devs seemingly arrived at CA, made the game, and then immediately left. It had to be some sort of networking thing, where the CA execs knew the A:I devs and were like "look, you don't have enough clout as an indie to score the Alien IP but we do, come make the game for us" and that was that.
nice

>>1525706
Leaked?
You can read this shit for free on companies house, it's part of their publicly filed accounts.
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03425917/filing-history

>>1525803
GW has always been really tight with its IP. The reason Warcraft exists is because Blizzard was making a Warhammer game and GW wouldn't give them a license. I bet the fact that Warcraft and Starcraft are such huge successes makes the seethe so bad so they absolutely milk any money they can get as compensation.

>>1530844
Yes but leaked sounds more dramatic

>>1530185
kek please be true

>>1525706
>No more $oy flavored fanta infecting total war
based

>>1532742
No more total war at all, even better

>>1525741
>>1525706
Kek, they are fucked. They focused extensively on Warhammer and on milking DLC's from whales, and now they depend on them alone. They failed to turn any of their historical franchises into dlc machines, at the same time customers have finally started to see DLC system for what it is.

It really couldn't happen to nicer company to be so cucked by even nicer company. The way the always strove to kill multiplayer and modding communities, fail to patch exploits and bugs, removed chat, servers from older games, and lately DLC fishing for whales. I do hope that they burn.

>>1526437
lol, it's a xshe

>>1531882
That was 30 years ago. Nowadays the mobile game market is flooded with chink made garbage with 40k in the title.

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>>1532856
I really don't understand what their thought process was for their recent historical games. Three Kingdoms is very niche, and really only appeals to Romanceaboos. Very common in Asia, but here in the states you will be hard pressed to find one outside of true understanders of strategy. No criticism of the work itself, if you like it that's fine, but it's not a period that is very popular in the west and in the east there is really no shortage of works set there. So who is your market exactly? The uninterested or the oversaturated?
Thrones of Britannia makes a small amount of sense because it was released during the big Vikings boom, but it isn't really a good period or setting for Total War. Should have done Charlemange as the face of that title instead, and had the Viking stuff be the DLC. Really makes no sense. Could have been even released similarly to Warhammer TW. You do Charlemange as 1, maybe Lionheart as 2, and then something Renessiance as 3; and together they make Medieval 3. Could have had DLC for years.
Troy has been discussed to death. Tried to appeal to everyone, ended up appealing to nobody.
Pharaoh is just going to be a mess. I've seen some of the mechanical changes and they seem unintuitive as fuck.

I just do not understand it. It's almost set up to fail.

>>1532868
>That was 30 years ago
This. So. Fucking. Much.
Current day GW wants nothing more but to get bought out by a bigger corpo and then live off of selling licenses to their IPs to anyone who can spare the cash, without a single care about the "quality" of the IPs or licensed products themselves.

>>1525934
>>Black Company
wait what? the glen cook book? fuck yeah sign me up

>>1526432
>masters of not making money

GW have done that shit before too. They didn't renew their agreement with fantasy flight who were making very good licensed board and card games because of a disagreement over money. They then proceeded to only release heroe quest clones and a lightbringers (i think thas what the card game was called) clone so they just lost money by not letting FF sell stuff they weren't going to make anyway.

>>1532872
why do people say three kingdoms failed to sell because of its setting? it had one of the biggest launches in total war history. the dlc failed because they had no content and not the DLC people were asking for or wanted.

>>1525740
I think the East India Company might take the #1 spot, but Games Workshop is definitely right behind them.

>>1532999
DLC failed also because of grace pissing of chinks and pissed of chink is really vile creature

>>1533011
>try to get the Dynasty Warriors audience
>give female employee a free hand to push against thirsty autists making fanarts & mods of their "waifus"
Kek, perhaps CA just hates money

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>>1533034
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>>1533040
I (fortunately) have never visited /vg/, so...
>pic related

>>1533011
yes but the idea that the other anon was putting forth that the setting is too niche is retarded

>>1533048
sure
its just failed to keep interest and selling dlc

>>1533040
>>1533047
Nevermind, I researched a little and I contextually understand it all now, lol.

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>>1533047
>Da fuck is a ratposter
Heroes.
Saviours.
Visionaries.
Every day we do our part to improve /twg/.

>>1532872
>No criticism of the work itself, if you like it that's fine, but it's not a period that is very popular in the west and in the east there is really no shortage of works set there. So who is your market exactly? The uninterested or the oversaturated?
CA are the only company on Earth currently making games like that. Even Japanese know that, which is why all of their games, no matter how sloppy, have JP fan translations.
Chinese go without saying, being all PC kids brought up on Red Alert 2 and Wracraft 3, there's an entire US population worth of RTS fans in there.
A 3K game by CA was definitely not an oversaturated market. And it showed, being the single best-selling Total War game prior to Wh3 and outdoing Wh2 by a fucking landslide in sales. as far as TW standards go.

>>1526432
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>>1526450
>>1526452

Thank god this style of character introduction wasn't common when TF2 came out, it makes everything it touches seem more gay:

>Scout has always loved two things: baseball and soda. It only makes sense, considering he grew up on the streets of Boston with just him and his mother. Scout was always the runt of the litter, but don't let his small stature fool you, he's got a big mouth. His tendency to get into trouble made him learn to run real fast, be it from regular people he pissed off or the cops.

>Now scout works as a mercenary in the badlands. He carries his signature baseball bat and a scattergun that packs one hell of a punch. His wiry frame means he can't take much punishment, but his agility makes him little more than a motion blur to his opponents. Scout can steal objectives just as well as he can steal bases, and he's more than capable of delivering a BONK to any chuckleheads in his way. Scout's unique skillset and attitude make him a valuable addition to any crew

>>1533154
I blame Tom Clancy's: Rainbow Six: Siege.

>>1532872
They were going for Chinese market. They must have dumped a ton of money marketing it there, since it actually did sell there, at least initially, then it was doomed by it's shit poor optimization. In their classic CA move they forgot that Chinese strategy market is played on potato PC's. Steam page is full of Chinese hieroglyphic reviews that bemoan the game.

>>1533048
It is too niche, there were many adaptation of that setting in various genres and they all flopped outside of china because nobody else give a fuck about the three kingdoms period
>then explain TWTK's succe-
Simple : total warhammer happened, it revitalized interest in warhammer fantasy battle, introduced a lot of newcomers to a setting and a franchise they would have never touched otherwise (mostly because these newcomers are not history autists or care about history at all) and damned CA to be "the total war devs" in the minds of a wider audience
This is why everyone slopped up TWTK as the next big dick (aka non-saga) titled "sequel" of the franchise and, upon realising its fucking three kingdoms, slowly abandoned it over the course of months

I can't remember if it was on /vst/ or /v/, but some anons began to compare steam player count across all the titles
Turn out only TWW and TWTK managed to break records, with TWW having a constant recurring playerbase that show up every big update/DLC drop, shogun 2 despite being hailed as a classic and one of the best total war barely had anyone playing it in its entire lifespan

>>1533173
>Turn out only TWW and TWTK managed to break records, with TWW having a constant recurring playerbase that show up every big update/DLC drop, shogun 2 despite being hailed as a classic and one of the best total war barely had anyone playing it in its entire lifespan

Shogun 2 is 2011 release. That's before Steam became monopoly. It had boxed copies and it's mp wasn't tied to Steam. You can't look at the stats for it and compare it to steam exclusives, something that Warhammer games are with deouvo and being locked to steam client.

>>1533188
>the steam monopoly meme again

>>1533188
>that's before steam became monopoly.
>It had boxed copies and it's mp wasn't tied to Steam.
My brother in christ steam became a "monopoly" circa 2008, 2011 is when skyrim was release, it is also when big publishers like EA began to throw tantrum about steam's term of service and emigrated their IPs to their own shitstore, which did fuck-all in the end
Likewise shogun 2 having boxed copies and not using steamwork for its multiplayer is non-sequitur, you needed steam to activate the game and player stat tracking was unrelated to the multiplayer, as long as you launched the game through steam, you were being counted

So yes, you can loot at the stats and compare it to other total war games that got released on steam, fucking denuvo has no influence on it, there are no total war games on GOG and EGS is irrelevant, both because it wasn't around until the total war saga bullshit and because it will never achieve a customer base compared to its direct competitor, giving away free games and now giving away any share they'd collect from a game's sales in the first months is proof enough that EGS is nothing more than a massive astroturfing campaign that is more preoccupied with appearances than providing a service.

>>1533154
God, it's just clicked with me. This is the sort of shit they'd make you do at school for creative writing.

>>1532868
>Nowadays the mobile game market is flooded with chink made garbage with 40k in the title.
Because they pay the big bucks. That's what I mean by 'tight' as in 'tight-fisted'. They don't give you their IP unless you got the cash for it, and CA needs more cash for it, for whatever reason.

>>1532958
Not just that. FFG decided to try and muscle in against their tabletop games and GW isn't going to give a competitor money.

>>1532999
I don't think it "failed because of the setting", it was simply a barrier to entry. People who've never read Romance of the Three Kingdoms, which in the west is most people, were left with quite a bit of catch up to do. Romanceaboos underestimate just how proto-capeshit the whole story is, and by that I mean the whole continuity of "HEY DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN CAO CAO DID THE THING!" that non-fans just don't understand.

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>>1533154
anon...

>>1533173
>shogun 2 despite being hailed as a classic and one of the best total war barely had anyone playing it in its entire lifespan
because its hailed by classic by people who are obsessed with it and its just not great game, heck its not even best TW Shogun
its just most polished of early three nuTW Empire(and Nappy)&Rome2(and Atilla)&Shogun2(and its expansion)

>>1533173
>>1533481
Napoopan is better in every way
Shogun 2 is terrible

>>1533488
I said most polished - not better, my fav from these three is Empire even if its total mess
You must admit that Shogun 2 looks best from them, great units card, intro clips, etc
compared to it Empire(and Nappy) look like poor cousin

>>1533493
Gay-ass gook setting that ruins whatever graphical improvements it might have had
Unintelligible unit cards with stylized weeb art that means you need to mouse over every card to see what it is in the middle of combat
Weeb intro clips that are meaningless time wasters

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>>1533495
anon, pls
you may not like it, I don't, but I bet you would love similar polish to empire or napoleon
Imagine getting intros for each new units, gentlemen duels, event, etc, stylized units cards also would be great(let be serious here weeb settings is perfect for this shit and its actually readable and pretty clean especially compared to Rome 2))
good night

>>1533495
>>1533488
>>1533481
Seething ESLtards, filtered, etc.

>>1533497
cope cultist

>>1533498
>actually did a good job on coherent, unified atmosphere
>smaller and more balanced unit roster means the game has some degree of balance
>realm divide provides an actual enjoyable challenge
>runs smoothly
It is the only TW game with a semblance of polish besides Napoleon, the only people who hate it are those filtered by 1) seething about japs (probably mutts or shitskins) 2) too ADHD to appreciate the smaller unit roster 3) fantasy retards (to be ignored). Sorry you can't read or recognize incredibly basic unit cards.

>>1533500
you are wrong at everything
Shogun 1>Shogun 2
nothing can change that

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>>1533510
You're just filtered cause 2's battle AI breaks half of the time, unlike 1's all the time.

Oh my fucking god who the hell cares about either of these weeb games
Shogun literally introduced hero units and single entities
It caused tussletmallet
Kill yourselves, both of you

>>1533126
You've never heard of Nobunaga's Ambition, have you?

>>1533530
>filtered from shitty game
i see it as absolute win

>>1533539
Oh nevermind, seeing as you fail to name one concrete thing you like about 1, you've never played it and are pretending to like it to own the chuds that hurt your feefees by shitting on a newer title you liked.

>>1533540
its simple and good, great aesthetics, everything that good in TW sublimed into single game
all games after just add unnecessary bloat and lose its perfect from
basedgun 2 is only best game for fags who never played earlier games

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>>1526437
>The Crack
sheeeeit

>>1533535
>>1533539
>>1533540
>>1533541
Tranime weebs go back to r*ddit
Discuss real Total War games like Empire

>>1533658
>Empire
what a mess

>>1533698
has soul unlike shogun

>>1533701
if you mean
>has soul unlike shogun 2
then i agree

>>1533703
neither shitfart titles had soul

>>1533706
>t. ginger

>>1533707
and you're a netflix ginger if you think that weeb shit is good

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>>1533709
it is and i am not gonna pretend it isn't

>1533710
i'm not going to give disgusting weebs any more (you)s
shogun brought single entities to total war opening the door for fantasyshit
shogun 2 is weeb trash

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>>1533711
cry more

>>1533510
>doesn't list a single thing which could support his argument
loving every laugh

>>1533854
you can't convince basedgun 2 cultist anyway

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CA shaking and crying.

>>1525827
I've played both and Shogun is nothing like Shadow of the Hornet Rat. I don't have to spamclick a button to make my men fight better in STW.

>>1535042
They're already using Denuvo. Why give anything, really?

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>>1535042
>Buying Paradox games
Lmao

>>1535042
It is pretty bad when you get bested by a troon aligned visual novel company with EA DLC policies

>>1535836
All companies are "troon aligned", sorry ESL

CA is just too stubborn about the campaign map gameplay
Rome and M2 were fun because city management was braindead as fuck, you learn how it works with your first 3 cities, and by the time you are fuckhuge you already have a mental flowchart memorized
agents are also ass and CA keeps doubling down on them, I refuse to believe anyone enjoys agent gameplay
instead the campaign map keeps getting bloated with mechanics like growth, %bonus on a specific income type on the entire province, bonus armor for infantry recruits, which ends with the player spending hours of gameplay thinking how his new iron province should have the recruitment building and the blacksmith and the religious army building, but the cavalry should be recruited later in the warhorses province, but actually your public order is at -10 per turn so you have to spam religion and food, and then you wait 200 turns to get growth for all the building slots but actually you also have every building at level 2 because you don't have the tech for those buildings, but it's worth it because it makes a lot more money than a cookie cutter province so you use that money to make a huge quality army and attack a country and then they hide in their city so you have to siege them and find out their city is ass and they made a 20-stack of low quality units so you assault and have a 50 minute meat grinder battle that's not fun, all so you can conquer the city and spend 15 minutes on the building browser to decide if this lead ore port town is better to build for commerce or industry before you can finally end a turn
this post became deranged as fuck but i'm submitting it anyways

>>1533496
You know how i know you are a fag? Because you compare to rtw2. Which means you have no real argument to begin with. Total War ended with medieval 2.

>>1535860
>this post became deranged as fuck but i'm submitting it anyways

Agreed. All your other stuff is actual drivell. Being locked to 4 to 6 buidings per city is truly retarded.

>>1535860
agents gameplay is fine. Diplomats being gone is good, but the Assassin/Spy is a great addition to the game.

M2 princesses were funny since they're essentially 'perishable goods': There's way more negative charm traits/retinue than good one, so blitzing to find a rebel general/foreign noble to marry was fun.

For all that is holy I don't get why you want <my favourite fantasy setting> as total war game so fucking badly.

>>1535890
Med2 fag, please explain why do you play that piece of shite. That game is fucking unbearable without mods or fan patches.
Disregard Med2, return to Med1.

>>1535890
dumb retard
>basedgun 2 is most polished game from early nuTW games(Empire/Nappy, S2, R2/Atilla)
>but muh Medieval 2
are you claiming that Med 2 is nuTW game?
you dumb faggot, learn to read and how to follow the thread
also Med 1>med 2

>>1535967
Because we don't have one right now, retard. How fucking stupid do you need to be to not understand that people like to play games in their favorite fantasy settings? How is that hard for any human to comprehend?

>>1536140
why are you so rude anon?
just make its own game, ca can't make good games anymore

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So why the fuck isn't anyone else making games with massed battle mechanics like Total War? The more consumer trust in CA falls, the bigger the gap in the market becomes.
Just making something that's roughly "Total War, but less shit" would probably print money, almost regardless of setting or even shit like graphical fidelity. You really only need scale and decent mechanics to sell.
Sure, there's Manor Lords, but let's be honest, that's just a glorified vapourware village builder.

>>1536381
What is 'totally accurate battle simulator'.
what is 'Ultimate battle simulator'

>>1536386
>What is 'totally accurate battle simulator'.
A small-scale physics puzzle game/sandbox
>what is 'Ultimate battle simulator'
A tech demo

>>1536381
There are quite a few of those, but if you are too retarded to find them you are too retarded to play anything but CA slop in any case.

>>1535953
>agents gameplay is fine
its not
rome 2 is infamous for agent spam - which mean that you have limited amount but every fucking faction use their agents against you

>>1536422
not him but name few, all I know is that arthur game and KoH and none of them scratch the itch

If CA doesn't drop that Hyenas shit IMMEDIATELY they will go bankrupt. There will be no recovery from that game, they will make it F2P in a desperate attempt at whaling and then fucking collapse after years of no revenue because NOBODY WANTS HYENAS

>>1535967
i want a total war game in YOUR favourite fantasy setting

that'll teach you, you little shit.


>>1535860
that's just like stellaris did when planets moved from freebuilding to closed building slots, but at least they had 10 to 30 slots to build not 6.

building limitations should be from other things
like farms in unsuitable terrain or low fertility regions should discourage you from sinking money into that, not prohibit you outright with bullshit hard limits.
or how military constructions would limit trade or something making you decide to devote a settlement to one singular purpose.

how can i make my superior fortress of fuck off if i can't even put all my military production/upgrade buildings in one castle?

>>1537126
i don't think a total war game would work in a world where germany has won the weltkrieg

>>1537126
>how can i make my superior fortress of fuck off if i can't even put all my military production/upgrade buildings in one castle?
man i fucking hate the recruitment systems in all total wars, recruitment buildings always feel gimmicky and end up with me having fully professional fully armored high quality armies with zero fodder trash, fodder unit management being ironically one of the most fun parts of historical battles

>>1535860
Generally agree, but agents have already been removed from the "historical" TWs.

>>1525752
"a Britisher"

>>1537205
>noooooo, you can't just use archaisms because some indians use them as well!! you HAVE to use the modern negroslang like all the cool kids!!!

>>1537208
Well said, sir!

>>1537223
Thank Ye, my good Sir.

>>1537130
that's alt-history though, unless you mean to imply they could have won through magic means.

>>1537144
but you have the means to have fodder trash in medieval 2, the recruitment of higher tier units is bottlenecked.
if the temptation of having a strong singular army is too strong for you to resist don't blame the game aiding you to it.
(i fall for it too, where having some fodder is generally easier on my economy)

still it's true that new total wars have the self replenishing armies that gradually solidify elites while sifting the trash off.
and rome only lets you recruit one unit per city so why use it for fodder over elites?

>>1525791
We historyhomos only want new mods for TWM2 that add depth. We won’t buy new games.

>>1525725
These companies increasingly consist of affirmative action hires that don't understand the industry. This studio is doomed and will end up being bought by someone else

>>1525885
Name a single country that has English as its first language that is first world

>>1537418
Singapore

>>1536381
Attempts at competing with TW have failed precisely because no-one else can put together a competitive budget. Pay attention.

>>1535860
Fuck you. I want more of everything you hated.

>>1530049
Spartan total warrior was pretty class as well but that was nearly 2 decades ago and the follow up was quite shit so its not like that means anything

What will be Sega's next move after Hyena inevitably bombs?

>>1542274
Hyena won't bomb. It's projected to do extremely well, despite the 24/7 TORtanic cultists on /v/.

>>1542313
nobody thinks this

>>1542324
Nobody thinks what the actual shitty internet population thinks.

>>1542313
>Hyena won't bomb.
It's literally the second Exoprimal in the making, the game will bomb so hard people will claim Japs got nuked again but this time by brits.

>>1543318
Closed beta did really well.

>>1543319
2200 players on steam and that's max of all time, they did even worse for this rendition of the beta. are you regularly this confident about being wrong?

>>1542313
>>1543028
THIS
The 'YENAS will sell 100 million billion copies and singlehandedly make CA the richest company in the world
We 'YENASchads are going to win win win until we're tired of winning

>>1543882
i am gonna try it and give it a chance, who know maybe its a fun game

>>1543885
that is how it start
hyenas success and no more tw games

>>1543978
With any luck, yeah.

>>1543978
It's already happening. CA has stopped work on any new DLC for Warhammer 3 while they work on Hyena's launch, and while we have gotten some patches it's probably on maintenance mode.

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>>1542313
>>1543318
>>1543882
>>1543885
>>1543978
>Why yes I was groomed and raped as a boy how can you tell?

>>1543978
Yeah, sure buddy, and fire can be eaten.

>>1543978
This is what CA would want, but will not get. They will have to make Medieval3 and 40k to recover loses kek

>>1544032
Based
Wish it happened IRL too

>>1525791
Isn't this more so proof that history fags actually have standards and even the millions of China obsessed asians think their games are trash and couldn't save them? Seems like they want to just shovel out slop and expect people to buy it.

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>>1544060
>history fags actually have standards

you know what guys? the longer I think about it the more i want hyenas to be a success
just look at the modern state of tw, its all fucking shit, ca can't even patch its own crap or produce anything of worth

>>1525981
I never stop being impressed how you can type absolutely anything any random bullshit on 4chan and somebody will still fall for it

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>Despite Relic fucking up 40K IP, somehow CA makes them look more competent
Fucking how?

>Fans asking for one game for over a decade
>Ignore them despite the fact it would print money
The stupidity of this company is incredible.

>>1544062
Wew, where is this from?

So why didn't Troy just go all in on being Greek myth to test the waters for another "Fantasy" style series?
Same can be said of this lazy ass reskin of it they're shipping as Pharo. Why not just have a guy casting locust swarms while Bastet leads an army of cats or something.

Fuck if you're gonna do bronze age authentically why not just go with the Meds down to Egypt with the occasional "ocean people" raid.

>>1536381
>Just making something that's roughly "Total War, but less shit" would probably print money, almost regardless of setting or even shit like graphical fidelity
Lords of the Realm II-2 when? Surely someone has made a spiritual successor.

>>1525737
it doesn't matter if GW wants more money
just stop producing warhammer stuff, tell the fans and investors it costs too much to keep funding development because GW wants too big a cut and then focus on making more total war games

It'd suck but I wouldn't be able to fault them for that and they would be continuing with the type of games I'm into

but to say it costs too much money and then turn around and dump a billion dollars into fucking Hyenas???

>>1525791
See the way to avoid this situation is to not be fucking retards and to stop hating your own customers and the games you make

Whatever, the sooner CA dies, the better

>>1525791
historicalfags want total war to actually implement the basic features that shogun 1 had 30 years ago

CA is too inept and incompetent to do that, so they keep getting shit on because their games keep being casualized fucking garbage that isn't even fun to play

I look at BG3, niche RPG, D&D no less, it's selling like gangbusters because it has good gameplay.
Routinely, over and over and over with these companies that's what is actually happening. They don't have niche games the masses don't want to play. They have bad gameplay that isn't fun to play so people stop buying it and play other games instead.

It's all just coping retards who think they couldn't possibly be bad at making games

>>1525811
More often they hate their customers, not their products

it's like companies today are run by people who despise anyone stupid enough to buy their product and then these people running the companies try to scam and grift their existing "stupid" users until there's nobody left to exploit and then they blame their customers for not accepting the abuse anymore

>>1544461
It's not entirely fair to compare Relic to CA, as Relic totally fucked up with DoW3 but was otherwise doing fine. DoW 1, 2 and their expansions all did well and both CoH3 and AoE4 were relatively fine in terms of reviews and sales iirc. CA is currently fumbling everything hard but will be able to milk TW3 for a while yet, although Hyenas might bury them if they piss off the TW3 community enough.

>>1544693
DoW 2 was a dumpsterfire anon

Gameplay wise the foundation was sound but the devs were fucking retards:
>Games for windows live
>Insulting their players and customers and telling them they were the problem
>Having a beta to iron out balance and then literally days before launch change every single facet of balance all at once, turning the launch day balance of a primarily multiplayer game into an utter shitshow on top of nobody being able to play because of how bad GFWL was

DoW 2 was fine but everything around DoW 2 was not fine. They shot themselves in the foot due to incompetence, and with the interactions I was having with DoW 2 devs at the time, I can absolute assure you they would've been all aboard the modern woke retard train. More so than most companies. These were devs who already hated their customers.

>>1544646
Empire TW
You can recruit black female riflewomen from Africa

>>1544740
>>1544062
actually historic
dahomey amazons, very famous
frogs beat them easily in bayonet charges
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey_Amazons
>The Dahomey lost 86 regulars and 417 Dahomey Mino, with nearly all of those deaths being inflicted by bayonets; the French lost six soldiers.

>>1544666
2 modes(one full fantasy and one historic) would be great desu

>>1544685
>I look at BG3, niche RPG, D&D no less, it's selling like gangbusters because it has good gameplay.
No, it's selling because it has high quality voice acting, graphics, cinematic cutscenes, romances and sex and had aggressive marketing campaign. Gamplay is irrelevant, just like it was in Witcher 3.

>>1525706
What talent? Overpriced diversity hires? How about you get some guys with actual love for games instead of trannies that are more concerned with adding niggers and women generals than making good games?

>>1525706
If they drop Warhammer or Total War, both might die. I don't think people realise how important CA is to both franchises.

We've seen big franchises die horrifically like this in the past. They never get back to speed. I think AoE is a rare anomaly.

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>>1526015
>Middle-Earth can absolutely work as a Total War game.
I am actually shocked that hasn't happened yet. It already half did with BFME, which clearly was influenced by Total War.

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>>1527722
>40K Total War.
Never.
I don't even know why people bother with main Warhammer when it's just better.

>>1545662
LOTR license must have been hard to get

>>1545667
The legal overheads alone make LotR bordering on a dead franchise now.
Seems Warhammer might be the same.

Welcome to the intellectual property future where nothing is made because of legal IP tethers.
You brought this on yourself, games industry.
Though IP shit with covid and pharma really made this hellish. Now all industries are doing it and nobody is buying shit anymore as a result.

>>1545674
It seems weird though, you'd expect supply and demand mechanics would cause them to lower the price to the point that people can actually use the IP?

>>1527939
Adapting the setting is even worse than adapting the tabletop.
The setting operates at monstrously large scales for some factions while others still operate in tactical groups of 5 or less. How the fuck is the total war control scheme and mechanics supposed to handle both endless swarms of nid shits and trios of battlesuits flying around at mach 2 gunning shit down? How the fuck are you supposed to make it fun when half your entire army is blown away by 3 or less earthshakers like the problem with the WW1 mod for napoleon where you lose hundreds of guys before ever shooting a single round.
Its either not TW or its not 40k.

>>1545759
Supply and Demand are a meme in niche IP. If it’s niche there is no incentive for the disinterested owners to even bother.

>>1545759
Supply and demand doesn't work when the good (the IP in this case) is infinite and the demand is speculative. Like let's use that Gollum game for example. What is the supply of Gollum games? Hypothetically, if you handed the IP out like candy, unlimited. We could have Gollum the mobile game, Gollum the battle royale, Gollum the city builder. Anything you can imagine, all the IP holder needs to do is hand out that IP. But what happens then? It's valueless. And what's the demand for a Gollum game? Well, I dunno, depends on how good it is, I guess. And the one we got was pretty bad, so that tarnishes the IP.

>>1526462
>>from Alberta
>>Southern

Yeah, you certainly have the same level of reading comprehension and projecting your insecurities.

>>1544799
Brave of you to come out and proudly admit to being retarded lol

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>>1525791
>Make bad games because you're not interested in them
>Somehow it's the customer's fault
Everyone who likes CA and Total Warhammer is a subhuman nigger faggot and you will go to hell for it.

>>1525706
GW being retards checks out. Games done gangbusters for the IP and they seem to want it to be perfect or throw it out entirely. It also makes me understand the thought that CA wants to do a new IP that is less volatile - either their own fantasy schlock (meh), mythology (yeh), or just find someone less shylocky than GW.

>>1528449
I know people took the piss out of the guy saying GW is afraid of Total war's success but the sheer miserliness with CA makes me believe he is onto something. In which case I can see CA thinking for some retarded reason a new dawn of war renaissance with 40k:TW is a problem not an asset. That ignores the engine issues which others here have touched on. I always favored the 'engine does not work well' argument but now I can see it being license too.