/aoe2/Age of Empires 2 threadarchers are... LE BAD edition
Dont care.I WILL play the game once every 2 months.I WILL civ pick Ethiopians.I WILL all in archer rush I WILL easily win regardless of my opponents strategy.And you will be happy.
Just how hard does a maa builds dies to straight archers build? >immediate access to the counter unit>can't catch up in archer count
>>1315821just get a villy pick with your infantry 5heador tower
>>1315886So it's about that early advantage, I see
So, is going archers and spearmen basically good enough to counter most of what I'll face in games?
>>1316291No. That's how you get your enemies to build skirms. Usually, that's good in itself, but you need to play around it. Also, micro vills to build you defenses.
Kino finally reaches the definitive edition.
How do I play with monks correctly anons? I'm always avoiding using them because I can't micro for shit. I only add like two or three of them at castle age to counter the inevitable knights but even then I tend to forget about them as soon as I make some pikes
>>1316440>How do I play with monks correctly anons?Practice using Aztecs on Arabia.
>>1316440that's basically the extent of their usefulness in a typical arabia game, barring relic captures and some serious clownery. xbow-redemption-mangonel pushes can be very strong, especially if they walled using their production buildings so you can basically get on-site reinforcements while costing them wood and training time.
>Buy AoE 2 DE>crashes on startup>It's not: firewall, vram, specs, drivers>Already tried restalling and consolidatingAnyone knows how to fix this?
>>1316440make every monk have its own control group for easy conversions
>>1316500That works until you have 10 monks, assuming you don't use control groups for anything else.
Why isn't Dave casting any more world diplo games those were great
>>1315821Basically what >>1315886, the idea is to do a MAA trush then make skirmishers to contain the archerfag, leaves you open for a Scoutrush but at the least you got the momentum on your favour
>>1316378I cant wait to play this, I'm genuinally hyped, I was a massive Greekfag back in the day, loved to rush to speedy Greek Hoplites and see them wreck shit, hope I can do it again in this game
>>1316440Practice with 1 or 2 monks. Then as you get better, add more
MAA rush + skirms, how that would be roll in 1vs1s against archerfags? I feel like MAAs would effectively shut down Scouts but not sure if skirms would be enough to prevent archers to relentlessly micro my MAAs down.
>>1316580MAA+Anything works very well as a combo, the problem is most MAA rushes are built around you building milita first and sending them out, having them become MAA just as they get to the opponents base.
>>1316585Well, yeah, that's the point, but what am trying to say is to actually keep building MAAs along with my skirms, I mean actually getting Supplies and +1 infantry armor.
>>1316490Is your system clock synced up? I didnt have crashes but the game was basically nonfunctional for me when my system clock was desynced. Sorry its not much to go off of, thats just the only little to no documentation issue that isnt fixed via the usual means I have encountered for AOE2 so I figured it would be worth offering to you
>>1316586If you do heavier feudal aggression that is a effective combo, yes. Costly though.
>>1316606>Costly though.But worth it, letting an archer micronerd get a hold of the tempo of the game is just begging to get fucked.
>>1315821The entire point of an MAA build order is to slow down the enemy and disrupt their eco. They shouldn't be that far ahead of your unit count.
>>1316580Maybe with celts, magiars and bulgarians, vikings to a degree but it dies to walling and archers + going faster to castle age.>>1316585>having them become MAA just as they get to the opponents basewhy do people do this? Just sent the first militia as soon as it finish, what's the big deal
>>1316735A single militia can do nothing by itself.
>>1316735they get focused down by villagers + starting scout
>>1316740>>1316754It's meant to poke and disengage at vills along with your own starting scout
>>1316758you don't want to lose hp on units that you're going to upgrade later
I think Anons here are confusing a drush with a MAA rush.
>>1316765>start as a drush>upgrade to a mma rushI see no problem here and my low ELO is here to back me up
>>1316775if you think of HP as a set amount of fighting you can do per unit, the HP is more efficiently spent by a man-at-arms by a militia>low ELO how low? also, elo isn't an acronym it's a guy's name
Why are militia and longswordman so bad? The units being such fucking garbage keeps infantry from ever being good unless they are huskarl/ghulam tier
>>13168051250, didn't know the Elo thing, thanks
>>1316809Longswords are unironically in a good spot right now since they actually can beat knights cost efficiently, problem is they still die to arrows, which is by design whats supposed to happen but archers are so strong and overpowered longswords dont see the day of the light
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Give me a civ where I can mass only ONE or two units and still be viable against most players.
>>1316876You posted it, alternatively Mongols (Mangudai + Hussars), or magyars (HCAs + hussars)
>>1316876Knights with any good cav civ
The reason why open maps team game meta is so fixed and rigid (archer flank cavalry pocket) is, beside archers and archer civs being incredibly strong, is because team games had fixed positions.Back in AoC and HD there were no fixed positions and anybody could spawn in any position and there was not so much a fixed meta (except Hun CAs and Mayan plummies, but that's a convo for another day), things being way more chaotic, I'm starting to miss when fixed positions were not a thing and you had more leeway to do things freely as you wantedI tried hosting a 4vs4 arabia random team positions but nobody joined, sadge
>>1316876sicilian knights
>>1316906They die to Longswords tho.
>>1316909good thing longswords are unusably shit then
>>1316917Only against crossbows and cavalry archers, they beat anything else.
>>1316924you can't even defend your own base with them, you just bleed villagers while the knights run circles around you taking no damage. you can't dive enemy tcs either. so what is the point?
>>1316932You work under the assumption the infantryfag will not attack first and take away the tempo of the match from you. You are forced on the defensive, in the same vein a MAA rusher will always beat a Scout rusher by virtue of hitting first and infantry naturally countering cavalry.>You cant dive enemy TCs eitherYou totally can, you just +2 armor, arson and 15-20 or so Longswords, not really a hard treshold to meet
>>1316378I unironically have two ideas for campaigns set in the AoE era but I'm waiting for this expansion to work on them.
>>1317039>I unironically have two ideas for campaigns set in the AoE eraWhich are?
>>1317042I don't want to give them away but one campaign is based on an obscure historical figure from the Bronze Age.
>>1317046>I don't want to give them awayIt's not like I'm a Microsoft spy waiting for people to share their ideas and inmediadly report back to my CEO but alright.
>>1316580I do this with Slavs for free supplies, works pretty good
>>1316963>15-20That's a big mass to gather in castle. If prefer to destroy their eco buildings, houses, or military buildings to keep them on the back foot before moving in with forward siege.
>>1317047If Microsoft hadn't just laid off like 10k people, my first assumption would be this post is exactly what a Microsoft employee would say...
>>1317211Trust me dood
You're retarded
hilarious how these threads are filled with "experts" giving out advice but the best player here is a one trick 1600 ELO lmao
>>1317245As if you are any better, post ELO and 1vs1 someone here.
If anyone even vaguely connected to Microsoft is around, I just want Bill Gates himself to be informed: Elephants suck.
>>1317245>but the best player here is a one trick 1600 ELOWho's that?
>>1317308bill gates has heard your message and is going to release twice as many burmese reworks as were originally scheduled in response.
>>1316440task all of the monks to convert the same guy and then select each one individually and swap them to a different targettheir conversion progress resets when they move but not when they swap targetsif a target is about to escape conversion range swap to a closer victimright clicking a vil with a monk will interrupt its building, a single monk can ruin a castle drop by spam clicking all the villagerspositioning monks near garrison buildings (or siege) tower makes them very safe. If an arrow volley, mangonel shot, or scout is coming they can just teleport into the building
Do you have auto reseed on or off?
>>1317395off by default but i turn it on somewhere from late castle to mid imp depending if i'm making a food-heavy or wood-heavy army
>>1316876Aztec Eagle Warriors
What would be your best advice to a brand new player?
>be big fan of aoe2>1, 3, and aom were okay >see 4 on sale>decide to try it >it's shit>gameplay feels awful>gui is dogshit >campaigns are like some crappy british history tv show >units, buildings, and terrain all blur into one greyish brownish mess >unit sounds are awfuloh well, too late to refund back to aoe2 I go
>>1317453be cool and have fun
>>1317453ABValways be villagering
>>1317453Constant villager production. In Castle Age, you'll generally want to add additional town centers to amplify it.The William Wallace tutorial goes through with learning the ropes for novices, and the Art of War challenges can teach you to be a bit more efficient; the game is over 20 years old after all.
>>1317453Practice your build orders against the AI and have fun
>>1317245You are faggot because you think that only 2k5 players have a valid opinion but you are also right, nobody in his right mind would take serious advice from /vst/
AoE 2 bros, should I try the definition of the first AoE? I've never tried it before.
>>1317560Nah just wait for the Rome DLC coming to AoE2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMUmrwFJW5kfinally, autoplay
Romeaboos, we get our trailer tomorrow at Developer Direct...right?
>>1317560AoE:DE is very unpolished. Some campaign missions which were easy in 1997 fell like pulling teeth in DE due to subtle AI tweaks dropping the ballance off a cliff.
>>1317560If you want to play AoE1, do NOT play the definitive edition. It neutered the crisp audio and visuals from the original but provided nothing in return.Return to Rome has me actually excited however since people will be able to take advantage of the formations, pathfinding, and more robust map editor.
>>1317560Nobody would seriously recommend the HD version over the definitive edition. It does not make sense to pay for hd just to find out you need the rest of the dlcs that DE have in the base game
>Another day another shitter from South America smurfing What is wrong with these disgusting creatures?
>>1317835Beautiful creatures*
>>1317453Play random and avoid water. Also don't worry about losing. Archers aren't OP infantry can be good, do use siege.
>>1317884>Celts on D>Mayans, Gurjaras on S>Britons on AI know it's bait but: nigger
>>1317909Unvarnished, unabashed truth.
>>1317939Yes if you're a metaslave.
Are rams ever used? Everyone seems to default to mangos to destroy buildings (which i get since mangos are also useful vs units and are not melee but still)
>>1317994castle age, rams are not the most common sight. if you try to dive a tc with rams villagers can just punch them down with their fists and the garrison fire will kill any escort units. mangonels let you apply pressure to town centers from a position that's harder to dislodge. siege rams in imp are very viable for leveling bases quickly, especially in team games where there's a lot more map to cover quickly
What new Civ/Strat should I try when I get home? Heres what im familiar with>Archer rushes, typically run Ethiopians but I have run other archer civs as well>Infantry/Eagles as Aztecs>Double Castle Hussite Wagon for closed maps otherwise just run generic fast castles on closed maps >Gurjaras>19 pop fast cavalier as Burfundians>When I first started I played Huns but havent played them since DEs launchI need to keep expanding my horizons but its hard to make the leap when I know my ability will nosedive while im learning the ropes of the new thing
>>1318149>19 pop fast cavalier as Burfundianswhat the hell is this supposed to be?
Should I buy AoE1 or 3? i AM sorry I don't don't feel like medieval right now 2bros
>>1317884
>>1316869>Small Trees>Grid>Identical trees>Clutter removerWhy are compfags such unartistic retards? Just let the game be beautiful.
>>13181553 is an entirely new game and the OST is fucking great.1 is 2 but more exploitable. I'd advise against the shitty DE edition which fucked the OST and the graphics as well as the pathfinding very hard.
>>1318149Cooman two TCVietnamese chattra eles
>>1318163Do you really think I wouldn't love to play with original trees? Identical trees I can totally agree is autistic but I am too lazy to change now
>>1318167They change up the formula in 3 or something?Was there ever a HD version for AoE1?
Is there a way to use middle mouse button for proper camera drag like in MOBAs/0AD? The default camera drag feels so wrong
>>1318149Mass Celtic Woad RaidersDo it
https://www.twitch.tv/xboxDevelop Direct from Xbox is today. I don't know if Forgotten Empires is here or if we'll get anything that's not console related, but figured I'd drop a link. Hoping for Rome news today.
>>13181551, ironically enough, is fun to go back and look at from an archaeology perspective. There's a lot of stepping stones and weird design choices. Some limited by the technology at the time, like small unit caps and wonky pathfinding, and some by choice like unit balance and the tech tree being sometimes unclear. I still love the original though for the crisp artstyle and music.3 is ehhhhhhhh... a lot of missed opportunities. I don't particularly agree with how the game has been balanced because every faction is so drastically different from each other in terms of units they can field, special powers, and even villager costs, that you can't just "pick up and play" the game. Swapping between factions is discouraged when it feels like you should instead be doubling down on perfecting your build order. However, the music and art are great. The ideas are neat, even if I don't think the execution is particularly good. Unit balance is dogshit since it comes from an RTS era where every unit is designed as an ultra hard counter to one other unit and is completely flaccid against anything else.
First Lombardia game of the week and it's already kinoWhy people dont play Lombardia more often? it's a great map
>>1318342>it's a great map
>>1318348Yes it's a great map
>>1318354You do not understand, it is not arabia nor an arabia-like map, that makes it bad in the minds of the comptards
>He doesn't like the map>Reee he must be an Arabia player!The game turns into Arena with extra steps 90% of the time unless you luck yourselves into a lobby with sub 40 APM retards who can't rewall fast enough for your feudal scouts.
>>1318420Easy, play with the No Walls mod, that or simply MAA rush, it's not hard
Palisade walls and their consequences have been a disaster for the aoe2 fanbase
>MAA rush on lombardiaRetard
>MAA rush on lombardiaBased
>>1318466Only for you fag
>cuckmastercringe
>chadmasterbased
>>1318512ywnbaw
>>1318540seethe, ghostmaster is a chad compared to you cucksat the very least he posts screenshoots
i hate gurjarasliteral aoe4 civspecial snowflake bonuses and le epic 3 unique units, one of which gets its own special mechanic. nuke this civ
>>1318588This
Please buff Sicilians
>>1318588Honestly surprised the riders got to keep their insane speed despite all the other nerfs.
>>1317944>Persians in A>MetaslaveUh huh.
>>1318637Yup
>>1318155Honestly you’re better off playing an entirely different series. Check out CoH or DoW or Homeworld or even Starcraft.
Why are the fonts fucked up like that? Why is it Times New Roman? Did Microsoft only gave them access to default fonts from Word?
>>1318773I dont know, if you can get no other font try to look in the in game mod brownser if there's a change for thatOtherwise just ignore it, that's what I do
Will buy an expansion of the game, but just a single one.Which one do I choose:Lords of the westDawn of the DukesDynasties of IndiaLooking for fun civilizations and campaigns, not necessarily competitive, as I mostly just play with friends
>>1319137Dawn of Dukes is the best imo but I haven't played through all of the DoI campaigns yet.
>>1319137Dawn of the Dukes is best, closely followed by Lords of the WestBurgundian campaign, along with the Polish one, might be the best campaigns in this game
>>1319143>>1319157Cool, then I'll get that.Thanks!
>>1318598Buff your skills
>used to play with some guys i knew for a while>dont care for gookclick "do this build order in a certain amount of time" kind of shit for multiplayer>get the urge to play again recently>start playing again, but stick to campaigns for now>beat the lithuania campaign>just started the wannabe germans of warsaw campaign since it was the next one for that dlcive been enjoying it. i should have gotten back into this game sooner. i avoided it for a bit over a year because the main guy i used to play with kept telling me for that bit over a year he "wasnt in the mood" every time i tried to play with him, aka i dont live in the same area as him anymore because he moved away, so he tries to find excuses to go drinking instead.any campaigns you guys recommend? i picked up the india dlc because its the last one i didnt own. i played some of them before the remaster, but i never enjoyed them as much as i am now.
>>1319239>any campaigns you guys recommend?Which ones have you played besides Lithuanians and Bohemians?
>>1319242i was talking about poopland and lithuania, not bohemia.
>>1319242but anyway, in pre-remaster aoe2, i think i played about half of saladins, most of joan's, and i cant remember which others i played after that. its been a long time. i want to say i touched the mongol campaign at some point, but i dont remember anything about it other than how the campaign map icons looked.
>>1319239See >>1319157
Ummm Arena bros what the fuck?
>>1319280image for ants
>>1319280I don't get it
People say stronghold doesn't make sense on Celts because 'they have bad defenses because of no bracer' but is it really that big of a deal? I mean, anything that outranges a castle with bodkin also outranges a castle with bracer, it isn't like with archers where not having bracer means you are within mangonel distance
>>1319447In itself Stronghold is fine if you like to Castle Spam but it's one of the weakest Castle Techs in the game along with Kasbah, where you can simply remove said tech and nothing at all would changeThe devs will never give celts Bracer because lacking it is part of their identity, tho I wish at the very least Celts could get Architecture to better justify defensive castles
>>1317521I've played through the tutorial campaign and now the Art of War makes me even more scared of playing online, the Booming challenge seem so hard to even clear for a silver medal. Do you really need to be that effective to play online?
>>1319575Most players can't play that well.
>>1319575the secret of that mission is just getting 4 more TC and spam villagers/farmers non stop and getting Wheelbarrow at 5 minutes left, you automatically win by clicking up to imp, not actually aging up to imp
>>1319575Don't worry Anon, Viper only got silver as well.
>>1319549>The devs will never give celts Bracer because lacking it is part of their identityThere are a bunch of civs without bracer. We're not talking Malay or Burmese who lack a more "unique" tech, or Spanish who are the only civ with FU trash, or something similar.
Lot of bm in 1v1s. Got a Spanish player who favorites arena, proceeded to 11 after every castle drop. I still ended up winning. Then I got a Persian doucher who abused pause to delete knights being converted and dodge mango shots.These players make me actually want to practice all of my build orders I can BTFO them. At least I'm at an Elo now where my teammates in team games aren't worthless citysimmers, so I can play cazzie team games if I don't feel like being a sweaty tryhard. At least I can take solace in the fact that these players will never get better. Then again, neither will I.
>>1319614One factor that you're forgetting is that we are talking about Celts, it's probably one of the most archetypical civs of AoK, along with Britons or Franks, Celts having terrible archers and cavalry was the original design of the ES and I'm fairly sure that the devs nor the playerbase want to see Celts change in a substantial way, giving Cetl's bracer would be way too much of a drastic decision than giving Franks Chivlary or Britions Warwolf, new civs are whatever if get their balance gets changed but AoK civs are very hard to change (the only exception of this was Persians with trashbows but thats about it)As much as I want celts to be buffed in a meaningful way, I know that will not happen
>>1319616>Then again, neither will I.With that attitude you never will, but I know you have the motivation for it: >'These players make me actually want to practice all of my build orders I can BTFO them'Persian douche aint that hard to counter, as long you see enemy persian make an early wall or if you see it coming dot your base with wood walls or houses to deny TC placementWant to 1vs1?
>>1319622https://steamcommunity.com/id/FishFeed9407/Will be home from work in 4 hours
>>1319626>Will be home from work in 4 hoursSounds goodHow good are you? Can I go full tryhard on Arabia or you prefer slow paced games like Arena?
>>1319628I honestly don't know because I've played I think 3 or 4 ranked matches. My casual matches are pretty much 50% win/loss. Years ago I was 1400 on HD. But I'm not complete ass either, I expect fights on open maps in feudal, I know how to do a scout/MAA/archer/tower/knight rush, how to fast castle, and how to boom. I'm just not refined and I struggle with macro in late castle age and imp(not enough military production buildings, map control, army composition, counter-attacking, keeping up with techs, floating too many resources).I'd say we just get sweaty in Arabia once to see where we stand.
>>1319677>I'm just not refined and I struggle with macro in late castle age and imp(not enough military production buildings, map control, army composition, counter-attacking, keeping up with techs, floating too many resources).This is so strange, you're not the first one that I saw with this issue but the large majority of low/medium skilled players got it the other way around, are able to macro and boom properly yet struggle with rushing and microIt's odd, but good nonetheless since learning to do good macro/boom is fairly easy
Please sirs... Just a crumb of Return to Rome information...
>>1319575The gap in skill is immense online anyway and the Fast Imp one is probably the toughest to get a gold on. One caster for the game sometimes puts on low ELO games just to see what funny things lesser-skilled players might do in contrast to mid and high-level play.
For me, it is scout rush into steppes as mongols
>>1319747So do I just stick to playing campaigns and random maps with bots? I've managed to win a 1v1 against a bot on standard so far but I assume it's nothing.
>>1319778I think most people think Extreme is a good indicator for at least not being total shit at ranked games, but if you really want to practice against AI before dipping into online 1v1s, try downloading Barbarian AI or Rehoboam from the mod section. I believe those AIs are tuned to be around 1200 1v1 rating.
>>1315758>Gold league game>Hussars missing forgingI understand missing other upgrades because they cost gold, but if you are going to use hussar at least get the first attack, it literally costs less than 2 hussars, it at least helps them chase down trebuchets better. By imp you should at least have +1/+1 on your units
>>1319893There's a reason they aren't in platinum.
didn't know they added the OP merchants into the game
>>1319137Hello sir, do the sneedful and redeem dynasties of India
>>1319447Strongholds doesn't help protect a castle from siege weapons, the range extension teutons get is just so much better in terms of defensive technologies, most civs can't attack a crenellations castle with bombard cannons, and castles control so much more area. We should probably make a defensive unique tech tier list, Teutons would be all the way at the top, Slavs are also great now
>>1319616>Then again never will IIt took me a while to get from 1k to 1k5, my most important tip would be to improve scouting, know what your opponent is doing so you can better counter it, and try to play to your civs strengths.
>>1319925Thanks fren, I think 1500 and 1600 are really competent, for now that is my goal
>>1319687Cute lamb
>>1316378Do you think they got the Rome at War Mod team on board?Will it be a separate launcher or can you actually duke it out with Assyrians and Aztecs at the same time?
Here is my semi-serious suggestion on how to make Wonders competitively viable.Add two techs:1. Tourism (1000 resources each for Hotels, Catering, Investments and fancy Roads)Generates Gold for every vil who is not part of your faction.This will force you to reconsider, if you raid the enemy, are you damaging their economy, or yours?2. Souvenirs (turn 10000 wood into solid Gold)Lumberjacks also generate GoldIf you are in a Trash unit phase and Wonder victory is off, it's one way to break the stalemate.
>>1319970>TourismStopped reading. I will kill every civ faggot
>>1319970>make Wonders competitively viable.Stopped reading.
>>1315758I always loved the game and would love to get into it and play multiplayer but in the age of freely available pro strats and build orders there is just no fun to be had. I don't want it to be super competetive, I want turtling and building and then sending stupid armies after 2 hours of placing my farms like an autist.Is there a way to get the comfy AOE feeling back bros?
>>1320052Sounds like a 400 elo game.
>>1320052>favorite arena>stay bad forever and only in the fun elo foreverThere
>try playing against Hard AI>random map pool>michi>never see the enemy >farm all match>win with wonderthat was easy
how viable are the goths? they have been my favorite civ for a long time.
>>1320052Remain between the 300-500 ELO bracketAt some point it's not fun, it's just business. Just like in football
>>1320170The main problem is always reaching Imperial age with no eco bonuses. They have the tools to defend or keep the opponent in his base: cavalry and archers with all the castle age upgrades, mangonels and decent monks (no redemption tho)
>>1320232i play the goths because i like their infantry. i dont enjoy gookclicking, so i dont use archers much.
>>1320170bottom tier with burmese and spanish
>>1319780>I think most people think Extreme is a good indicator for at least not being total shit at ranked gamesThen you are delusional.
>>1320170They're very viable at low and mid elo but struggle at higher levels on open maps. They can still work very well on closed maps though.
Viper's Nigger Forrest games are the best content available from pros and I am tired of pretending otherwise
>>1320446fr fr no cap
>>1320539Shut up faggot
>>1316378We dont even know anything about it yet
>>1320702We will on the Ides of March.
>>1320235You asked and I answered, fool me. You are not even near of being a competent player anyways so question about civs being "viable" are not really of your concern because it's not relevant, just keep being the stepping stone of 900 Elo bros that are actually trying to improve.
>>1320715you went too far into autistic mode and did not realize that i was not responding in a hostile way. i asked about the goths because ive never really played aoe2 multiplayer, but i am well aware that games in the base builder """rts""" genre like this come down to gookclicking at some point in multiplayer. i enjoy my single player though so i dont have to worry about that shit.
>>1316589I ended up refunding Too bad I was looking forward to playing the game
why are >muh gookclick posters so bad at the game?
>>1320830They're scared of having more than 20 APM
>>1320830>haha click 30 million times to kite or go in out in out in out, oh i finally made him step up one step toward me, now lets in out in out in in out out out!damn gookclick is boring as fuck. we say gookclick because its not a matter of outsmarting your opponent, its almost solely based on winning a clickfest.
Now that the dust has settled, how do you feel about Elephant civs? How do they stack up to the others? Do you think more civs should be Elephant civs(only tjose that historically would be of course)
>new player>at 900 elo>play in a map where we must move with villagers and build a tc>reunite in the middle near a pond for fishing>find enemy villager along the way>she comes with us>dunno why but ok>build tc, she's still there>as soon as it finishes I jump in a try to shoot her>she converts my sheeps and runs away>dude laughs at meWe chatted, the dude came over and ended up commiting suicide with his villagers. Pretty cool guy and community tbqh
>>1320894>Do you think more civs should be Elephant civsI think there's only like 1 or 2 SEA civs to add unless they want to split the pajeet civs down even further into individual kingdoms and ethnic groups which would just annoy people at this point.
>>1320894Have enough ele civs it's time for camel chads to rise up
>1320837>le gookclick whaaa whaaaThese are just words that means nothing and you are an obnoxious massive faggot kys
>Calling AoE2 gook clickUsing CaptureAge as a reference, the highest eAPMs I've seen at around 130 I think for average over a long game (hitting late imp). Starcraft pros reportedly goes over 300 and hitting as high as 600. Even in AoE2 you have pretty recognizable names in the 2k+ elo range who are known for having slower APMs relative to everyone else. (Daut, JonSlow). Pretty disingenuous to call people that click their military/eco units 60 times a minute "gook clickers". 60 eAPM is also being really fucking generous since I've looked at the eAPMs for players in my TGs and even the 1800s are typically in the 40s. Pic related is on the Starcraft wiki.
>>1320837You're bad at the game
>>1321081i play single player. i dont care if im bad, especially by multiplayer standards.
>>1321083You're still bad at the game>i dont care if im badYes you do, otherwise you wouldn't have made a post about it, even less bitch and moan about gookclick
>>1321087its not that i care about being bad. i was trying to be polite enough to reply to you with clarification on what you interpreted. i will not do so for you in the future.
>>1321088>i was trying to be politeYou were not.
>>1321089dial your autism back a few notches so you can properly interpret my post.
>>1321090>will not do so for you in the future.So you're both bad at videogames and keeping up your words. 11.Last (You) for you, plebeian.
>>1321094convince me that its healthy to have gookclicking in basebuilder strategy games. i will genuinely hear you out.
>Still using "gookclick" for AoE2
I'm still wondering which civ will be split just like the Indians, I say that because I do recall they mentioned they were "taking notes from Dynasties of India good reception"
I just realized something, whenever I think about 'Gooclick in AoE2' I inmediadly think about archer micro, and not cavalry archer micro specially Kitchaks or old Mangudais in AoCAre cavalry archers -that- bad or archers being that broken? Or both?
>>1321035Quit posting this you fucking pajeet.>>1321114Most likely I feel like it would be China. There's really nowhere else they can go unless they added some North Americans, which I would hate.
>>1321114Polls on the forums have China, Italians, and Saracens as the top ones. I think China and Italy are the most interesting ones, I don't know how you could make different flavors of camel jockeys entertaining. China makes the most sense imo.
>>1321184It's super easy to break up Saracens. Turn them into Andalusians, Egyptians, and ArabsEgyptians are closest to the current Saracens with more of an emphasis on their economyArabs should be based off of the early conquests of the Rashidun with a focus on early rushes and effective trash unitsAndalusians should be a more balanced civ defensive
https://youtu.be/VfvB1_urb1sFaster khmer elephant and Steppe lancers on huns sound absolutely bonkers, I want to see this being a thing
>>1321231It's not a horrible idea and kind of creates a nice little regional distinction between civsI definitely think some of those civs could definitely make better use of the higher tier ele units than the Indian civs do right now, but giving more civs access to steppe lancers sounds like aids
>>1321223>AndalusiansBerbers/Spanish>EgyptiansNever independent and never going to be.>ArabsBasically what the Saracens are meant to be.
>>1321239>Berbers/SpanishBerbers are closer to the morrocans, the Andalusians would be the Muwalla that basically ran the taifas in Iberia>Never independent and never going to be.What does this even mean in this context>Basically what the Saracens are meant to be.The Saracens are primarily based on the Egyptian army of the 4th crusade, they even have mamluks
>>1321236>giving more civs access to steppe lancers sounds like aidsWhy? Steppe lancers are balanced and fun to use
>>1321244>Berbers are closer to the morrocans, the Andalusians would be the Muwalla that basically ran the taifas in IberiaI'm not seeing the difference.>What does this even mean in this contextNot much point making a civ out of them.>The Saracens are primarily based on the Egyptian army of the 4th crusade, they even have mamluksAh.
>>1321231The one civ that could use lancers the most doesn't get it; The Persians.
>>1321296Why Persians in particular? They dont strike me as a steppe nomad civ
>>1319549>kasbah>weakCuckmaster everyone
>>1321114>Dynasties of India good reception??? in what universe
>>1321345Yes, weak. In 1vs1 at least.>Cuckmaster1vs1 me you pansy ass.
>>1321350based ghosty serving the shittersking
>>1321301I think he means the way they interact with pikes.
>>1321097You're a casual. You're shitter. You are bad (at the game). Your opinion is worthless and nothing you say or do will ever, ever remove "gookclick" from RTS games. The speed in which you can do something and your ability to juggle multiple tasks will always be inherently important to the genre, and only with a completely new game entirely focused on limiting actions could you possibly achieve a "gookclick" free RTS. One that no one would play.
>>1321350Kasbah brings Camel Archer production time down to 20s in Castle Age. Generic CA take 34 seconds to produce. You easily amass a better/stronger version of CA that counters other CA. Even if the opponent is going Xbows you produce 7 seconds faster unless they're Britons and if they try to mass Skirms to counter your CA you have cheap LC to kill them with.
>>1321114>taking notes from Dynasties of India good receptionWhat, you niggers liked that broken pajeet glorifying shit? And what notes are they taking? How to make the game unbalanced?
>>1321453>How to make the game unbalanced?Every new civ is released some sort of broken mess. Lithuanians used to get blast furnace and could put an endless amount of relics in for attack bonus. Steppe Lancers on release. Burgundians on release. Sicilians bonus damage reduction used to apply to their siege I believe.
>>1321114They could separate Vikings into the actual Norse countries plus Rus. Most obvious choice would be China
>>1321446implying you have the same number of castles as they do archery rangeskasbah is shit except in the rare case where you can get the tech before imp to help win treb wars and similar situations
>>1321453kek, I've never heard any of this good reception. i wonder if this is just a buzzword that companies use to justify making further shit products. just pretend there's actually a bunch of people who like your shit product, that way people can't criticise you when you double down and make even worse stuff.
>>1321473The casual people who are more into roleplaying and base building with the game indeed did like it, history autists also liked.And of course Indians liked it and we all know there's too fucking many of them in this world
>>1321473People generally liked seeing India split up and more civs added, the average player probably doesn't give a shit about how OP a unit is because they don't play ranked.
>>1321472>AckshuallyYeah, I remember my dude, the point is that they are making broken civs just to pump the sales and they still didn't completely fix gurjaras
>>1321473I liked it
>>1321473The metric is probably undiscounted salesNobody gives a shit about your perma mid-tier shitter balance complaints. Either Get Gud or play casually like everyone else.
>Try to play against Hard AI for the first time>Do your best to defend and prosper>Prepare to send a huge army on the enemy>Lose because you forgot relics existed
>>1321446Don't forget that in imperial it means you'll produce trebs 12 seconds faster than your opponent and research conscription faster
is there a place i can go to see how viable each civ is? ive been messing around with cavalry vs AI, and im really liking it. i would probably play the poops due to their -60% knight cost tech if their language didnt sound like someone was constantly shitting into my headphones.
>>1321538https://www.aoepulse.com/home
>>1321542>1200 to 3000 EloLiterally just make 5 maa and win
>>1321549I wish that worked in my ELO rangeSeeing MAAs so unviable hurts me very soul
>>1321550Dude look at this damage, do you think forcing three houses is not damage? that's one delayed farm, plus the idle timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocXRcuunbMo
>>1320830They want a turn based tower defense game but refuse to play either of them
>>1321301Well for one they used plenty of Steppe Nomads both as subject peoples and as mercenaries, 2nd they were originally designed with having a complete stable and were THE cavalry civ in AoK. 3rd they would benefit the most from it from a game play perspective and 4th they need a buff. The Lancer would give them a lot of what they're lacking in terms of castle age options without changing the baseline of how they should be played. Also it'd give them a decent option for dealing with eagles.
>>1321553That more of Ganji fucking up rather than Capoch outplaying him tho, Ganji fucked up his scouting and did not see Cap's MAA rushing coming at him, also panicking and fucking up his quickwall because of thatYes it was a lot of eco damage but that's not my point, nowadays MAAs are relegated to an one trick pony rush 'MAA Rsh' or 'MAA Trush' and that about it, it's a rush that dies young and militia line doesnt see the light of the day until eagles come to play, I'm talking about wanting to use MAAs after the MAA rush, like massed Supply MAAs with skirms or MAAs, and while I know MAA rush into archers is not exacly an unpopular strat, straight archers (or hell even straight Scouts some people would argue) are still better.So yes I still want MAAs to be viable.
>>1321569Forgot to mention that Capoch still got wrecked in the end so that doesnt help either
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16uflUWMkCoijfy07BC_20CV58Sa1kuHDSnAV-TMEfZ4/edit#gid=702393080>Nations Cup registration has closed Did your country make it, bros?
>>1321576>asking in the thread with a max Elo of 1600
>>1321593I'm a 2k.
>The other side shits the bed while you are doing wellFucking sucks man>>1321598Post ELO
>>1321599ELO
Y'all watching admirals cup?
>>1321603Of course.
>>1321598No you are notcoach me plz boss
>>1321608Have this stud coach you.
>>1321610But he's german
>>1321610Never, he makes pikes against knights
>>1321603>Hera rage quit delete last gameLMAO
>>1321601kekAlright I will let you have that one
>>1321628Based
>>1321628He needs to chill
>>1321628>>1321603what happened?
>>1321657Got outplayed by Viper. Deleted all his vills where Viper was attacking, GG'd, resigned, and I think closed his stream.
>>1321672wew
>>1321569Infantry just need more bonus damage vs buildings so they find some more use. Specially if they sort of make longswordsmen able to take on castles.Arson should up it to +6.
ACCM just won a game off viper with massed MAA-skirms so you can all stop complaining now
>if a 2.5k can do it so can I!
>>1321771>implying retards will stop being retads
>if a 2.7k can't fight it how can anyone else?
>>1321771Post the video
>>1321771Man at arms are good.It's Long Swords that don't see use.
People only like "infantry" because it's not meta. If it became meta, these same people would hate it.
>>1321858That’s why you never see any of them playing AOE4, the game where infantry is actually good
>>1321568Honestly yeah I don't see enough people asking for Persians to get Steppe Lancers and I think they deserve the most, they also have no unit referencing their use of heavy cavalry with lances which they were famous for and the Steppe Lancer would be kind of decent enough to fit into that.
>>1321933Good thing nobody takes aoe4 seriously then.
>be me (it is important that i clarify this)>campaignfag>everybody tells me how le loi 2 is hell on earth>beat it on hard with 0 issues the first timeDid i get memed?
>>1322000Some campaigns from HD got updated and changed for DE. I don't know if that was one of them though you might just be good at the game.Or everyone else is bad or not used to the campaign gimmick
>>1322000LL2 was patched so the enemy doesn’t have bracer, ring archer armor, chemistry, or architecture anymore. DE devs want ti make all the campaign scenarios piss easy for some reason
>>1322000Was much hard in the past
>Getting filtered by the Bari campaignMakes me laugh. People wanted "muh Belisarius", "muh Justinian", "muh fighting against Turks" and they ended up with high level kino which involves the Roman Empire defending its territory in Italy.
New to the game, I wanna main Tatars because I am Tatar myself, is that a good civ?
>>1322105they’re good. average-to-above-average on open maps. fun to play.
>>1322105Yeah they are between decent and actually good, you wont go wrong with maining themThe only thing Tatar aint good is water maps, which you can safely and easily ignore
>>1322059I can't believe people expected an actual campaign of a civ with over a thousand years of history instead of the story of 1 city narrated through a fictional family
>>1322105>I am Tatar myselfWhich kind of tatar? aoe tatars represent the timurids, which have no relation to the crimean or the volga tatars (which also have no relation with each other)
>>1322154the umbrella is pretty broad, the civ emblem itself comes from the golden horde which geographically encompasses both those groups
>>1322154Guess we need a DLC separating all of them...
>>1322167you just know they are going to get free ballistics or some stupid shit like that
>>1322167unironically every aoe 2 forum has pages and pages of scrubs requesting that their specific flavor of an existing faction gets made, no matter how niche/historically insignificant. I'm glad the devs ignore these pricks and just do whatever the fuck they want to do.
>>1321455This is the way. Release new thing, and balance as you go. I'm just happy AoE 2 is still chadding it up after so many years
>>1322154I'm Volga Tatar and I still feel closer to AoE Tatars than to AoE Slavs or Bulgarians. Besides I understand some of the words the Tatar units say because my grandma uses them and that brings some good memories.
>>1318155Aoe2 or bust. The other games have no need to exist.
>>1322202that's really cool, hope you have fun with the game anon
>>1318155Neither 1 or 3 let me have the ai fight itself in the background while I study
>>1322205Thanks anon. AoE3 has been kinda disappointing and AoE2 seems way more fun so far even though I suck so much at the game.
I can't believe what this guy does for AoE, yet nobody watches himhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRSepOSj8e0
>>1322249>BFME videosChad.
Entrenched like a ww2 german soldier on D-day
>>1322255>Ghostmaster going an archer civ Buck status? Broken
>>1322257Please, I exclusively go castle age Hand Canonners as Bohemians.It's their only gimmick and I love it.
>>1322105I also main Tatars. They are a good civ if you can micro well.
>>1322059It's a fun campaign and all bud but it's really not a good representation of what the Byzantines should be.
Gentlemen, i fucking hate ravines
>>1321114>taking notes from Dynasties of India good receptionThere are many different ways you can interpret this. It could just mean a new DLC. It could mean more regional units. It doesn't have to mean another civ is gonna be split. There are no fictional umbrella civs like "Indians" in the game, so there cannot be another civ split "like Indians". Do you people not know anything about history or the way AOE2 is designed?
>>1322195>I'm glad the devs ignore these pricksBut they gave us Burgundians just because Cysion is Belgian...>>1322257You fucking metacuck. Bohemians is not an archer civ.
>>1322195You mean like random african and indian shitskins?
>>1322470Burgundians I found to be a fun addition considering they were pretty much a punching bag in the campaigns
>>1322464Theres not going to be such a wide split as with Indians, but this split itself was i keeping with how the original game handled Franks, Teutons, Britons an Celts as seperate groups instead of "West Europeans" or something.Since then we've gotten Normans Bohemians, Burgundians etc. so it's easily possible for them to do stuff like Slavs a few ways including Rus or do something with "Chinese" civs like Jurchens or various notPersians.
>>1322202That is very neat anon, just main the fuck out of tatars and make the anti archer fags seethe even more with your free thumb ring upgrad, that is HUGE
>>1322612To this day I cannot believe (nor kinda understand) how Tatars can actually get away with being the only civ that can actually get away with a CA rushThumb Ring makes CAs -that- viable, hell not even Huns is on that level, it's amusing
>>1322613geez man, just research thumb ring and ballistics haha what's the big deal
>>1322627Thumb Ring and Ballistics should be cheaper?CAs certainly need more love but that would in turn make archers even more OP than they already are
>>1322613huns absolutely get on that level, at least against cav civs. accuracy and no movement tracking only become a real problem at range, so for CA having more of them is more important than having better upgrades against a mass of pursuing knight
>>1322652But CAs against Knights aint the problem, CAs vs crossbows is
>>1322654so? you're better against more or less half the civs in one case, better in the other half in the other. it's fine
>>1322656Heh. Fair enough I guess.
>>1322629>Thumb Ring and Ballistics should be cheaper?No. Cavalry archers should have more accuracy.
>The civ split discussion is now also on redditDevs better show something soon before people throw hands.
Is it just me or this community is getting increasingly retarded? It's just people losing their minds over le hecking civ splits, le hecking problematic names, le hecking random african and american tribes that should totally be in the game, le hecking "here's my Venice civ idea". Meanwhile Blizzard who I thought was the pinnacle of games made for retards by retards seems to be getting slightly rational.
>>1322687>seems to be getting slightly rational.About fucking time
There is not even that much clicking or apm required in this games, wtf are these retards talking about>>1322682Just go back faggot
I liked aoe 3.
>innocent civsYEAH SPLIT 'EM
>>1322800>go backI'm in two places at once nigga!
>>1322687I have the distinction that this last india DLC legitimized the claims of these kind of players, prior to that DLC the concept of splitting civs was laughable and considered a joke at best, but now that the devs validated that idea, everyone are start demanding major civs into minor civsHonestly I'm against this, sure Bengali and Hindustanis were easily recognizable civs, but Gurjaras and Dravidians are literal who civs, aoe2 is based off romantized and simplified history, enforcing realism in this game will only do more harm than good
>>1322812I don't mind the game becoming more detailed if it means more content but apart from that I agree.
>>1322819>move polska privileges to impThere. Fixed it
so, which one is the best for practice
>>1322839hu_man
>>1322812i mean, indians were sort of in a unique place for that sort of rework to apply. there's obviously the historical reasons for needing more than one south asian civ (india as a unified continent is something that only came about post-colonization, there were literally more people under the indian civ banner than every european civ combined, etc), but i feel more relevant was the fact that the original indian civ was a total balance nightmare. the shore fish bonus made them the most boring autopick ever for a ton of tournament maps, they had a civ loss against all three americans, shatagni was hot garbage at only +1 range and hardly justified their "gunpowder" tech tree designation, their UU was the single least useful in the entire game, and their camels oscillated between "mandatory for team games" to "literally worse than generic without a 1,800 res imp upgrade" from patch to patch. i don't know that they wouldn't have added more south asian civs if indians had been in a good spot design-wise, but they definitely wouldn't have taken the "split" approach.
Can’t wait to see Celts get split into Scots, Irish, and Welsh.Can’t wait to see Goths get split into Visigoths, Ostrogoths, and Crimean Goths.
>>1322889we already have welsh, the longbow civ, in game
>>1322682It originated from reddit, started as "look at what these idiots are talking about" and then ended with literally making the same kind of postsThe fate of all blue boards
I want more american civs because they're fun to play and good
>>1322889Nah they'll split Slavs into Novgorod, Kiev, and Moscow and they'll split Vikangz into Danes, Swedes, Norwegians, and Finns
>>1322934>>1322889I would be fine with all that.Just no more Africans.And don't even think about Native Americans
>>1322861more like u_fag haha owned
>>1322969You just know this is not allowed post 2022. Huns being in the same game as Spanish and poles opens a huge palette of options to add civilizations and """civilizations""" from any period basically
>>1322969Why
>>1322983Finns are funny and I think stuff like Celts and Vikings sound a bit silly.
>>1322969>Just no more Africans.
>>1322999Of course reddit would want more special snowflakes literal who civs, they want those diversity points. Can't have people knowing they play a game with too much whites in it
>>1322999>There are currently no pacific civsThat's the problem. They never were, just some abos literally whos. Also go back nigger
>>1321933They're too afraid to move off of what they know onto something that they don't know.
>>1323074You speak like they have or must move away from this game.
>>1323075They're allowed to do whatever they want. But if they're going to bitch about how something is in AoE2 when its done the way they want in another game, then it seems like they should be happier playing that other game. But they don't, they just stay and bitch some more, because they don't want to leave the thing they already know (or, because for all the bitching they do, it doesn't actually matter enough for them to want to change).
>>1323081yeah, i dont care what those people do. i enjoy spamming my half cost infantry as goths to beat the hell out of people.
>>1323081AoE2 is far from perfect yet still better than AoE4.
>>1323087>AoE2 is far from perfect yet still better than AoE4.True a year ago, less true now.
>Less trueIs that like an alternative fact?
Is there any trick to scouting that will let you find the enemy quick but not run under their tc
>>1323213No, it just means that AoE4 sucked when it came out and sucks significantly less now.
>>1323216Paying attention?
>>1323216Knowing what spawns around a TC on the particular map. Seeing a boar or sheep on Arabia means you're probably pretty close.
>>1322812The difference is that "Indians" was a completely made up civ that grouped together a bunch of civs that had nothing to do with eachother. These retards want to split Italians or Saracens as if that's in any way comparable.
>>1322687If there's one advantage 4 has over 2, its that it won't have this absurd civ bloat
>>1322812>Dravidians are literal who civsPeople in the west don't give a fuck about India, so it's no surprise you've never heard about Gurjaras, but you're not particularly smart if you've never heard of Dravidians.
>>1322871>feel more relevant was the fact that the original indian civ was a total balance nightmare. the shore fish bonus made them the most boring autopick ever for a ton of tournament maps, they had a civ loss against all three americans, shatagni was hot garbage at only +1 range and hardly justified their "gunpowder" tech tree designation, their UU was the single least useful in the entire game, and their camels oscillated between "mandatory for team games" to "literally worse than generic without a 1,800 res imp upgrade" from patch to patchThis is the best reason for the split, but keep in mind 95% of people asking for civs never play anything but passive 1v1 games.
>>1323294How the hell is that a reason for a split? The split was necessary even without the weird bonusses, UTs, and UUs. A civ can be reworked without being split. Those are 2 completely different things.
>>1323272>Civs that need to be removedBerbers(represented by Saracens)Bohemians(represented by Germans)Cumans(represented by Turks)dravidians(irrelevant, questionable historical basis)goths(too early, outside of mid-late medieval scope)huns(too early, outside of mid-late medieval scope)Persians(represented by saracens and turks)Sicilians(represented by vikings/norse)tatars(literally just mongols)Lithuanians(irrelevant)Burgundians(irrelevant)Italians(irrelevant)Bulgarians(irrelevant)>civs that need to be mergedVietnamese, Malay, Khmer, Burmese > IndochineseAztecs + Mayans + Incas > Meso-americansMalians + Ethiopians > AfricansBengalis + Gurjaras + Hindustanis > Indians>Civs that need a name changeBritons > EnglishFranks > FrenchMagyars > HungariansTeutons > GermansVikings > Norse>Full Civ list after changesChineseJapaneseKoreansMongolsEnglishCeltsFrenchGermansNorseHungariansPolesSlavsSpanishPortugeseSaracensTurksByzantinesIndochineseMeso-AmericansAfricansIndiansEurocentric? Yes, absolutely.
>>1323319That is 21 civs rather than 42
>>1323319>Berbers(represented by Saracens)Wrong. Berbers and Arabs are two completely different peoples.>Bohemians(represented by Germans)Wrong. Germans and Czechs are two completely different peoples. >Cumans(represented by Turks)They're related, but still very much two different peoples.>dravidians(irrelevant, questionable historical basis)You're an idiot if you really think that.>goths(too early, outside of mid-late medieval scope)Agree 100%>huns(too early, outside of mid-late medieval scope)Agree 100%>Persians(represented by saracens and turks)Persians, Arabs and Turks are three completely different non related civs that have nothing in common with each other. Wtf?>Sicilians(represented by vikings/norse)Agree, but they're not Vikings, they're Franks.>tatars(literally just mongols)They're related to Turks, not Mongols. >Lithuanians(irrelevant)Yeah, I wouldn't have added them either.>Burgundians(irrelevant)Really? That's your criticism of Burgundians? Not the fact that they're litterally the same civ as Franks?>Italians(irrelevant)You're an idiot if you really think that.>Bulgarians(irrelevant)Yeah, I wouldn't have added them either.>civs that need to be mergedDude, are you trolling at this point? >Civs that need a name changeSure, but... where is Slavs? If any civ needs a name change it's this one.
>>1323319>this postMost historical-literate /vst/ poster
>>1323319I think you need to be removed.
>>1323340The point is the generalize civilizations. You cannot represent every cultural group that existed in the medieval age, but you can represent the majority of them by grouping them under certain umbrella civilzations. Cumans, for example, are a turkic people and can be represented by the turks bonuses for horse archers and hussars. Berbers can be represented by the saracens, as the early muslim caliphates encompassed the area the berbers came from.I suppose renaming slavs to rus would make sense
>>1323319>Bohemians(represented by Germans)Oh shit you are stupid
>>1323216Main vietnamese. That's a mistake that happens all the way to 2k5 players tho
>>1323216TCs spawn roughly in a circle around the map, so the enemy tc should be about the same distance from the center as your tc is from the center
>>1323216stick to hills, woodlines, edge of map until you find a non neutral resource or a building, from there you can start to triangulate their tc position. scouts losing hp to tc does indeed happen at the highest level, because occasionally players choose an unlucky angle to scout from where no resources are in the scout's vision. the trick is to always be wary of large portions of flat, empty ground.
>>1323292Why the fuck do I have to know who the dravidians are? Literally who.Hell the fact alone I know about Hindustanis/Mughals beforehand this DLC is already better than average player
>>1323319>Bohemians(represented by Germans)This alone turns this whole wall of text moot, dumbbassBohemians are czechs
>>1323446Have you never noticed that Indians from the south are a completely different race from Indians from the north? There are 250 million Dravidians today. That's a lot of people.
>You should know and respect the different Indians broThe only time I come into contact with these people is when I get a spam call.
>>1323450I do know that southern india is wealthier than northen india due the fact I know india's technological centre is located on the south, so yes I do know the south is better than the north.Yet knowing this I had no fucking idea who Dravidians nor Gurjaras were.Granted, I'm a massive steppe nomad fanboy and I rather study Mughal story over the other 3 civs, but I will stay with what I said, Gurjaras and Dravidians are 'literal who' civs
>>1323319While the specifics of this post are pretty retarded, I do agree with the general sentiment. It’s not about representation, it’s about the quality of the game. It’s obvious that interesting and unique ideas for civ design went out the window long ago and now newer civs are created with a bastardized version of AoE4’s design philosophy.It clashes drastically with the rest of the game while also making older civs feel lesser compared to newer ones.
>>1323454>You should know and respect the different Indians broI did not say anything of the sort. It's not hard to know there's a difference between Indo Aryans and Dravidians. I didn't say you have to be an expert on Indian ethnography. But this thread has made it abundantly clear that the knowledge of the average westerner should not be the basis of deciding which civ gets added to the game. >>1323456What exactly are you saying? Just because YOU have never heard of Dravidians, they should not have been added to the game?
>>1323458>they should not have been added to the gameI wouldn't say that but if I never heard of them before (someone who's midly intrested in history) then I highly doubt they are important enough to be put in the game, but since India is so fucking big and there's a lot of fucking Indians I'm willing to concede.See the majority of the player, they also had no fucking idea who Gurjaras and Dravidians were, people know more Bengali and Hindustani. I personally would take literally any other civ than indian civs, I'd personally want to see Manchu/fast east siberian civ.This one case I guess I can tolerate because India is so culturally diverse and absolutely massive at the same time, but given what people talk here, Reddit and specially on the AoE2 forums, I cant help but feel this civ splitting autism will become a real issue
I like some of the new civs so some of them deserve to exist.That's it
>>1323461>deserve to exist.Trannie speak. Go back to discord to play with ghster
>>1321473I like India, and I'd main Bengalis if their tech tree wasn't a fucking tragedy. I like the ideas they explored, but I wish they'd stop making elephant civs until they understood the issues with elephant units in AoE2's engine.
>>1323463Your vocabulary must be suffering if a common normal world like that is a no go because of trannies anon
>>1323463Holy fuck rent free
>>1321764>Infantry is weak and slow, but able to pressure buildings abd ward off weak cavalry>Loses to ranged units and stronger melee>Rams are weak to melee, but able to pressure buildings>Loses to everything, even villagers>Put infantry in rams to make it slightly more viable>Loses to everythingI know rams eat tc in theory, but the fact that you specifically have to have towers and/or monks covering them to get even similar performance to mangonels is disappointing.
>>1323460>See the majority of the player, they also had no fucking idea who Dravidians wereI have not seen anyone outside of 4chan say they didn't know who Dravidians are. And even if you didn't, just take a look at wikipedia for one minute. There's an obvious gap in your knowledge. I'm not saying it's your fault, and I'm not saying you should be embarrassed, but just because the average westerner hasn't heard of the Dravidians (which is a standalone human race) doesn't mean shit. I mean seriously, is it that hard to even conceive of the possibility that maybe there's something you don't know about in a part of the world you're not interested in? Is this the Dunning-Kruger effect in action?>I cant help but feel this civ splitting autism will become a real issueI agree. Splitting Indians was absolutely necessary, but there are a ton of idiots who want to split civs that shouldn't be split. NONE of the other civs have to be split.
>>1322613Why do I smell camels?
>>1323475Because you're sitting on one right now, anon
Rome DLC news today, right?
>>1323477If they add Rome they better split it up and not just one Civ for Rome.
>>1323481Anon we already have a civ for Rome.
>>1323484Byzantium isn't RomeHRE isn't Rome
>>1323485Cope and seethe.
>>1323485>Roman Empire isn't Rome
The only reason why empire wars is not popular is laziness and not wanting to try new things.....and the maps are fucking stoopid
>>1323558Arena and Black Forest would have been perfect empire wars maps. Wouldn't you want to skip the dark age on closed maps in particular? Instead all we get is incredibly open maps. They're just pandering to metafaggots.
>>1316440I once had a game as Aztecs on arabia with some random guy, maybe he was 15xx-16xx DE elo? I think I was around 200 elo above him.I was super apathetic and couldn't care at all- going naked fc, no walls, no army. So he absolutely overpowered me in feudal, most of what was left of my eco was idle in TC that he had surrounded, I only had couple of vills on gold under a tower or two.I didn't quit because as I said I just didn't care at all so I sent a vill forward behind his base to build 2 monasteries and siege workshop and started converting his vills.Long story short: ~5 gold miners and forward vill slowly but surely snowballed into me killing his 4tc boom and castle defence. Thats the power of monk.I don't remember if he gg-d me after.
>>1323615kys faggot
>>1323615You speak like Arena doesn't have sweaty metafaggotry either.
>>1323656Don't talk to the arena clowns.
>>1323659But I am the arena clown
Honk honkDude let me in, we will a have party together! Honk honk
>>1323662Seek help.
>>1323691What exactly do you recommend? A therapist? should I tell him that I like arena and that makes retards seethe?
>>1323446You being ignorant of something doesn't make it A) uncommon knowledge or B) unworthy of knowing. I didn't know what a Byzantine was before this game but that doesn't make them irrelevant.
>>1323697Honk at your therapist and tell him you main portuguese in arena
I am a 1200tard and decided to leave Arena unbanned, should I pick portugues/turks and be a one trick pony or pick a decent civ and boom without contesting the relics
:)
>>1323840BothLetting Aztecs or Lithuanians take relics is begging to get murdered
>>1323875AoE2 just seems to bring everyone together
>>1323473Dravidians like some civs aren't that important to Euro history as much as say Mongols or Arabs are. But they are important in the history of the region. Off the top of my headDamascus steal actually originates from their wootz kilns and was well liked by Arabs and PersiansThey kept Mughals from completely taking the south of India (and thus the whole of it)Vijayanagars fought some Deccan SultanatesRajendras vassalization of parts of SEA is recorded on his copper plates and backed up by Malaysian records from the later middle ages. Also allied with KhmerThis is more confirmation than a lot of historical stuff hasOverall I think they fit in a game with Arabs, Hindustanis and SEA civsI guess you could make the argument that you could get rid of them if you also got rid of SEA civs
>>1323558The battle royale mode is cooler
>>1323875sex
When will people realize this is not a history game?
>>1323881You didn't understand me, I don't have the capacity or want to fight for relics, I was thinking of booming or doing the turks thingy
>>1323931Never.
I'm truly surprised my enemies never think to make outposts.
>>1323976Outposts aren't something you'll see regularly outside of nomad until probably 1800.
>>1323981It's disappointing. The building is so good.
>>1323981In your server maybe, my opponents and myself build those all the time
>>1324002My server?
Xbox players might actually be worse than standard AI.
>>1324075they can probably play cav/melee at an average level once they get used to the controls but i doubt archer or siege play will ever be workable
>>1323931As long as people think more civs = better game, never.
>>1323656Well yeah, it absolutely does have retarded meta faggotry. It annoys me so much Arena is my second ban. But the main meta is still open map Arabia with only a minority of players maining arena.I do enjoy Black Forest though, and Arena would be a lot more bearable if you could skip the dark age.>>1323931When will you realise you're a retard?
>>1323976They're useful on really big maps
>>1324075Microsoft better have mercy and not introduce crossplay. Those xbox players will just become freelo to PC players.
>>1324075>doubting the auto-economyIt's over for you p-sweaters and you know it
>>1324212I will just go infantry and steamroll all xbox players because they are incapable of micro
>Opponent disconnected before the match starts>I get punished with a banCLEAN IT UP JANNIES
>>1324254>CLEAN IT UP JANNIESBan well justified
>>1324159>better have mercy and not introduce crossplayAnon this launched with crossplay.
Rome bros....is it still happening?
>>1324416No. Too european. Next DLC will be The God-Emperors of Wakanda, with 5 new sub-saharan civs and 10 campaigns to show how awesome and advanced they are.
>>1324416Make >>1316378 the OP of next bread for good luck
>>1324477/pol/nigger fuck off faggot. There is no reason to back down on it
>>1324564FE wouldn't dare piss off reddit and forumtards. They might make a post saying FE is eurocentric and get hundreds of updoots.
Any vtubers who play AoE?
>>1324585>>1323883She seems to be playing some campaigns or something
>>1323292The only reason people know of Dravidians is because of Spaceballs, and frankly they didn't seem like that smart of a civilization. I mean really, who makes a lock combo that simple?
>>1324672I know about dravidians because I like learning about languages.
hello do you think a former starcraft player who wants to relive days of wings of liberty should play aoe2 or aoe4?
>>1322999God I fucking hate reddit so much. Seriously, where did this fucking trend come from where people honestly think Africans had any form of civilzation?
>>1324714>bu...but Le shohgai and le malians>egyptians where black btw
>>1324672>The only reason people know of Dravidians is because of SpaceballsI've never watched Spaceballs. I knew of them from my time looking at Southeast Asian history.
>>1324714>"you cannot say 'iroquois', it's a racist term"
>>1324714>where did this fucking trend come from where people honestly think Africans had any form of civilzation?from actually having knowledge on history beyond cherry-picking for examples to fuel your incel racism>inb4 pics of mudhutsyes, there are backwards tribes in Africa. Still doesn't invalidate the empires that did also exist. seethe and cope
>>1324800>from actually having knowledge on historyOoff, beyod irony
Are Sicilians a good civ to start with? What about the Burgundians? I really like fucking around with Donjons and using them as like forward barracks, though I feel there are other civs that could probably do the same or better.I feel like the Serjeants are pretty good, and the knight line seems solid enough even without paladins.The Burgundians also seem fun, because the Coustillier looks cool and Flemish Revolution seems like the biggest meme move in the game.
OH MY FUCKING GOD SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT SPLITTING CIVS
>>1324800>NOOOOO STOP POINTING OUT THAT BLACKS LIVE IN MUD HUTS!>S-SEETH AND C-C-COPE CHUD!yikes
>this civ shouldn't be in the game because i am a historylet!>this civ shouldn't be in the game because my racist bias!>this civ shouldn't be in the game because it doesn't meet my arbitrary criteria for what constitutes a civ!How are we not as cringe as the reddit splitfags at this point? >have a modicum of historical relevance, nobody cares about the fuckbuttmanii tribe that only existed for 20 years before being absorbed by an actually relevant tribe>be fun to play>provide something unique to the table rather than being a reskin of an existing civ
>>1324807but nobody is calling for the addition of the mudhut tribes, but for the addition of the actual kingdoms and empires that existed. You are just a retard whose only knowledge on history comes from 4chan memes
>>1324702>>1324732It's a joke, there's a planet called Druidia that's a spoof of Alderaan from Star WarsThis was funny in the 80shttps://youtu.be/EWQAvMUUJr4
>>1324810>this civ shouldn't be in the game because i am a historylet!>this civ shouldn't be in the game because my racist bias!>this civ shouldn't be in the game because it doesn't meet my arbitrary criteria for what constitutes a civ!what african and abo kingdoms have there been? Even the ones in AoE2 are a MASSIVE fucking strech and their own expansion had to have a European civ because the fact is all of the african "empires" where either established by oursiders and destroyed by africans or where so broken and disfunctional that they barely count as anything more than a tribe.
we should actually merge civs into new ones that inherit bonuses, UUs and UTs of both
>>1324818Ethiopians are the only ones that truly stand on their own.Mali/Shonghai etc are offshoots of Islamic expansion There's the Zulu but they are just really successful strawhut guys
>>1324812except they are >>1322999literally requesting 3 mud huts by name lol.
>>1324820Zulu could possibly be interesting in another heavy infantry/zerg rush themed civ but again, they didn't really have an orginized empire. Civ like the Aztecs and Mayans make more sense because of the fact that they had a very orginized civilzation, military and built massive structures for both worship and military.
>>1324800>>1324807>>1324812This "Mud hut" meme is stupid. Wattle-and-daub is a proven construction style that resists mosts of the issues other styles prevalent in the 2nd millennium would've encountered, had they been present in tropical Africa. European emphasis on timber in construction, which is so often glorified in revivalist architecture, would easily be ruined by termites in West Africa, floods in Central Africa, and rotting wood in areas with significant humidity. Even with bamboo structural supports, which were the predominant wood used for building support in Nigeria, it's not a strong enough material to support larger buildings. Further, as soil profiles dictate what sorts of settlements may be established, any that don't support long-term settlement will fail to encourage large-scale construction. There'll be only a few points where populations cluster, and there won't be as much of a demand for other styles to emerge. Regardless, some did (Sahelian mudbrick-plaster/Yoruba Bamboo/Swahili Coral), mainly in the inner and outer deltas of the Niger river (also in coastal and Sahelian East Africa), but W&D retained a significant presence in each case due to ease of construction, and lack of opposing pressure. It's just a really efficient construct.
>>1324585I remember Kiara once played it
>>1324823They were't really builders but they were very well organized from a military standpoint thanks to Shaka but this is almost two millenia after all the dudes like Scipio, Alexander, Cao Cao and Ashoka,lived and practical eons after Cyrus and Sargon etcGiant organized armies (with siege engineering) had been walking the earth for millennia while Shaka was born in 1787, hes younger than the United States and thus way outside the scope of AoE2
>>1324818>what african and abo kingdoms have there been?I am not pulling out the exhaustive list. Pic covers the major ones of West Africa, but leaves a few out.>Even the ones in AoE2 are a MASSIVE fucking strechThe Mali empire was one of the predominant powers on the continent, dipshit. Its history as a civilization goes back to Pre-Roman times. The Kushites have a similarly-long tradition, and remained distinct even to this day. Finally, the Berbers represent every Saharan and North African nation. You could not possibly be stupid enough to believe the things you say.>because the fact is all of the african "empires" where either established by oursiders and destroyed by africans or where so broken and disfunctional that they barely count as anything more than a tribe.Mali was founded as a trade project by a local prince during a civil war, and it was conquered by its former vassal, who then got into a long series of civil conflicts, resulting in it losing its western territories to rebels and mercenaries, who then founded their own empire, lasting until the Fula Jihad shattered it. If this doesn't stand, Britons can't be in the game either due to their history with Normans and King James. Same for the Rus, Persians, Italians, and the Chinese.Ethiopians cover a cultural group with multiple kingdoms that formed an empire and remained intact. They weren't founded by outsiders either.Finally, Berbers cover such a broad range of groups that the argument fails just by virtue of failing to cover even half of them. The other major powers of West Africa, in Hausaland (Italian CS) and Yorubaland, weren't put in the game, but they'd be perfectly fine additions. >>1324820>Mali/Shonghai etc are offshoots of Islamic expansionNo, one of the rulers of the Mali Empire converted to Islam to gain favor with North African states, but most subjects weren't required to even acknowledge the religion. Even its adherents hardly cared about it.
>>1324840>EU4 pic>each individual EU4 state should be a civDon't you have a child to abuse?
>>1324843>each individual EU4 state should be a civWho are you quoting?
The real issue when it comes to adding civs, specially non-European and Asian civs is the way AoE2 is designed. AoE2 was always majorly focused on Europe. It's design makes sense, midevil villages and cities had townhalls, houses, mills, dedicated barracks and of course castles. Asian/Indina civs had the same structure so incorperating those civs in was easy and a bit of a no brainer. For north american civs they still had the general structure down even if they didn't have as advance tech or horses and boats, with minor tweaks you could add them in with little problem and still have them make sense. The problem with African civs is that many of their empires aren't like that. Even the ones in the game the devs said they had to take a lot of creative liberties to design them since not only did they have a very different military structure but even distinguishing architecture for them almost doesn't exsist. Maybe in another game where there can be more openess on how civs can be design, but to fit with the AoE2 style if the civ isn't "Eurocentric" enough it starts to massively fall apart. This is a big reason why I also prefer AoE 3 over 2, I feel they realized that AoE2 is almost hard locked in this design so going forward to the colonial time still had enough to keep the gameplay/design similar enough but still had enough flexability to add drastically different civs and play styles while still keeping it in the theme and believable.
>>1324845>midevil villages and cities had townhalls, houses, mills, dedicated barracks and of course castles.Anon, we can build mills anywhere, even if there's no water. It's just a place to drop off food. We're not playing Stronghold. Also, Castles are mostly an extension of Roman land management. Chinese had forts (which have no connection to castles), but they usually just put massive walls around their cities, which couldn't be broken. Chevalier tactics shouldn't work against the Chinese or Incas if you're going to pretend AoE2 devs actually care about that.
>>1324840eu4 faggot fuck off, I would rather have nigger and mapuche civs in age instead of lowering this thread to have your scum here.
>>1324840Mali and Ethiopia are already in the game who are these other sub-saharans you want added?
>>1324854Hausas, Yorubas, Somalis, Swahilis, and either Kanuri or Songhai. If they have an idea for a unique gameplay style (a la Aztecs) for Kongolese, that'd also be fine.
>>1324851yeah I'm not sure how better to explain it since it's clear you don't understand what I'm saying. Like to me, AoE2 design make sense when focusing on Midevil, Eurocentric civs. AoE2 is clearly heavly romantized but generally speaking it style still works even for the Asian and NA civs since they still had similar styles and structures when it comes to military even if it technically wasn't a castle. The thing is though when you look at those civs they have that similarity to them in how their military is orginized and how civic buildings are too. Meanwhile most of the african civs generally don't have this same style of orginization, specially when it comes to civic buildings. Mail didn't have massive defensive structures like Europe and Asia had. They didn't have a general plan on how a blacksmith should be built. Most didn't even have stylized architecture and quite liteally lived in mud huts. Most of the african empires never advanced enough to really get a proper physical idenity or build massive military structures like the rest of the civs in AoE2if that makes sense. I don't really know how else to explain it.
>>1324804Sicilians are decent for beginners, Burgundians are not and are better suited to more advanced players because of their trickier to manage bonuses/units.
>>1324859>Meanwhile most of the african civs generally don't have this same style of orginization, specially when it comes to civic buildings.True, but they don't need to. It doesn't generalize well for nomadic civs like Berbers or Mongols, nor does it quite fit for Mesoamericans.>Mail didn't have massive defensive structures like Europe and Asia had. They didn't have a general plan on how a blacksmith should be built.That's fine. Don't give them the Hoardings tech. Malian Blacksmiths were mostly autonomous, and they'd set up anywhere. >Most didn't even have stylized architecture and quite liteally lived in mud huts. Most of the african empires never advanced enough to really get a proper physical idenity or build massive military structures like the rest of the civs in AoE2These two statements are false. Pic is Hausa territory, but the style was common in the area, and the Malians normally used adobe and plaster for their structures. The Edo of Benin used sloped roofing reminiscent of Eastern Europeans, and they capped all of their structures to direct rainwater to designated drains. Finally, the Yorubas are most famous for making one of the largest defensive earthwork structures in human history, behind the Great Wall of China.I don't know where you get these ideas, but they're wrong.
I perform really well when fighting in clustered spaces, and I don't understand why.
>>1323976I was playing a game and built outposts specifically because of this comment. Thanks anon, at the moment I really needed that. Just for anyone who may use this: in feudal never let your wood go past 60 units, 60 wood>one farm
The Xbox controls are a trip. I tried it out just to see how it plays compared to PC and the automation almost makes it feel like a city builder. It's strangely comfy but also throws off every instinct in my body watching villagers act like AI enemy villagers building farms and everything on their own with no extra input.
>>1324852Lel
>Civ splitting autists coincidally are EU4fagsImagine my shock.
Split the archer line into archers and crossbowmen.Have the militia-line split into shield infantry and 2handed infantry
>>1325376Dude just go play AoE4.
>>1325381Split aoe4 as well
>>1325376>have his ass splitted>wants to split everything as a resultSad!
>>1325382Fucking kek
OMG IM GONNA SPL
LOOOOOOOOOOTIM SPLOOOOOOTING
If we split aoe4 we would get two more aoe2sThen we merge all the aoe2s to make aoe6, without even having to make a 5Microsoft I will take my reward now
>>1325477>being this oblivious about corporate cultureThey will take your idea, enjoy the profits and never even try to acknowledge you, then when you speak up they will use their connections in federal agencies to make 4chan delete this post and then probably kill you. It's over for you, should have stayed in call of duty. Ya hate to see it man, another one down
>>1325480I can't believe anon is fucking dead.
>>1325522I'm right here faggotNew bread when?
>>1325620Bump limit is 500 and this is a slow board, newfag.
>Michi for team game map pool againDumb faggot devs
>23 pop>"fast feudal"
>>1325774>tricking archer meta slaves into going up late and into only 1 production building lmao
>>1325622Aoe2 threads are some of the fastest moving here. That said they still last for months at a time usually.
>>1325774>1 rangelol where are the other resources going?
If you're having trouble booting up the game after the latest update, opt into the "enhanced_logging" beta on Steam (code: 4YH2SkfG7CK5yanvrXE9qj8b)
>>1324859Touch the grass/Pol/ rot your brain
I will be honest with y'all, the reason I don't want more Africans or Native Americans isn't because of some worry about game balance, or because I think they would look too weird for the game.It's because I know fuck all about them and I'm less inclined to care about those things, back then I would think it's a good opportunity to learn something new but recently I'm too busy and tired to take advantage of that.
>>1326039I just think they're boring and would unironically rather see another shade of European knights.
>>1326042Same
there are too many civs
I will be honest with y'all I'd rather see 500 blogposts of cuckmaster's LEL adventures than you talking about history or which civs should or should not be in the game
>>1326068civ split ideas are better than ghost posting tho
>>1326134They really aren't. At least Ghostsucker plays the game.
>>1326154nobody in this thread plays the game thothey just complain and post dumb ideas while ignoring the gameghost is just an anomaly
>>1325882Huh
Miss me yet?
>>1326204
>>1326226Why you so angry anon?It is because you cant be a chad like me?Beat me in a 1vs1 and you will become one and I will kneel not now tho, later
>>1326225>>1326226The duality of man
