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Finally completed Prussia. Pretty good nation all around.
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>>1220173
It starts casually, get alliances and take land through event at first, and then through war. Later became emperor at the right moment when I was low on manpower and managed to get a PU over Burgundy, which France didn't like and so for this reason declared war on me. They were defeated however due to the strength of my allies. After that, it was just me waiting for the reformation to happen to form Prussia. It did happen in the wrong time when I was at war and couldn't convert, fortunately, Britain converted and became a fellow prot. After some time, the league war fired with Austria (Former ally) being catholic and I, Prussia that had just formed being Protestant. I had to wait 5 years because of a truce with Austria and in those 5 years, Ottomans joined on catholic side. It was challenging but I managed to pull it off. The 1600s war just me taking colonial land and HRE land.
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>>1220173
>>1220180
The late game was a little more interesting, Britain had an old ruler of my dynasty with no heir. However, I couldn't passively PU them since there were in a PU with Norway (which was a small island), and so I decided to DW on Norway to break them off, and after a long time I was able to. After that, it was me wishing the ruler would die with no heir, and that exactly happened which allowed me to PU Britain. And then I did some stuff like weaken Ottomans and force them to release nations, weaken the economy of HRE nations to get rid of the stupid 'economic power' penalty, charter company Wui and DW on them to transfer their trade power to me, PU Bohemia and pass the revoke the privilegia reform. After all of that, and some diplo-annexing, I was done with Prussia. Very fun but very stressful. One mission about Global Domination forced me to change my capital and take land from France as well as transfer trade from Friesland to me. Another about the Kiel Canal was broken as I completed the construction of it before finishing the Canton mission, which rendered the mission as impossible to complete because it required me to continue constructing it, and apparently finishing construction doesn't count. Overall, I enjoyed Prussia for being OP and really powerful. The mission tree is nice but needs some rework
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>>1220187
Note: I changed my capital back to Berlin
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>>1220173
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Prussia hasn’t been that exciting since Dharma, when the pajeet chauvinist devs put a bunch of overtuned tags in the Worlds Largest Open Air Sewer. France used to be scary with its +20% morale, now it’s meh compared to the ridiculous we wuzzing in India.
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Prussia is fun, especially with Centalisation mechanics but Dithmarshen is the most fun i've had in years
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>>1220173
Any colonial German nations just feel wrong, I know Courland tried in OTL but the new world just feels right with the bongs and Iberian Gaul mutts
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>>1220173
>that THICC Russia, Persia, and Bengal
Based.
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>>1220173
well done anon this was a good read
thank you
take a break and try out Jianzhou why not?
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>>1220173
Wu lad
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>>1220464
VGH....BASED....
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Comparing my Prussia campaign to my Austria campaign, which is better? See for yourself
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>>1220173
Prussias my favorite nation to play as. Tried Byzantium for the first time and I'm really liking it. Beating the ottomans in the first war isn't difficult. You go into a bunch of debt, but you can pay it off pretty easily. My main issue now is that the mamlukes are super strong, and none of my allies aside from Castile are willing to fight them. France, qq and tunis can't be fucked to help out.
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>>1221459
you did not revoke the privilege
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>>1221459
>>1220173
Why didn't you kick other powers out of your colonial regions?
You defiently could've took GB's colonies and got that sweet trade money
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>>1222045
Not him but I leave a colony alone if it has portuguese or castilian culture they are ruined forever.
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QUESTION TIME!
I'm playing as Spain year 1527, and I'm wondering to myself but I need help to decide...should I integrate my PU Burgundy into Spain? I would like to see the Dutch revolt happen i think it would be quite fun.or just in general is it a good idea?
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>>1222536
Keep Burgundy, you'll be able to inherit them through either the event or through the death of your ruler as long as you have enough diplo points
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>>1220173
>>1221459
I believe its fitting that Prussia surrenders most baltic nations while Austria makes them part of her empire.
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Every single King I have had in this playthrough gets desires of the flesh event where his admin advisor is cucking him is this a new thing by cuckswedes???
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What's a good source for learning how the new-ish estates system works? I haven't played since Dharma and I hate having to figure out new Paradox jank mechanics for a game I've already blown too much time on
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>>1222975
click a box and read what each option does
it's easier than the old system
if retarded just watch a video by red hawk he tells you which ones to pick at the start of a playthrough
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>>1222536
Integrate or Inherit burgundy as
>>1222628
says

Eat france
tell Habsburgs to fuck off
Eat Italy

Remake Western Roman Empire borders but with colonial empire
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>>1222302
kek
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>>1220173
>>1221000
Checked

Is this general comprised of Drew Durnil fans?
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>>1220173
U
W
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>>1224252
>doesn't play grand strat
>makes videos on it
he is, dare i say.... basado....
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>>1220173
Here's a much better image. This old one looked like a mess and I couldn't bear it, so I went back before I revoked the privilegia and waited before doing so. I focused on attacking the Ottomans making them real a bunch of nations, and it certainly helped that I waited since I could take land without any big negative modifier excluding AE.
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>>1227691
Corrections.
>making them real a bunch of nations
release*
>could take land
land in the HRE near my borders*
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>>1220552
I feel the opposite. IRL there were settlers from all over EU but the more powerful crowns assimilated the territory eventual. Pennsylvania was majority German.
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Any tips on not getting bodied by the Mamluks as Ethiopia? My campaign was all well and good until about 1550 when they invaded right after I conquered several cores and my manpower was low. I wouldn't have been able to take them anyway since they got invaded by the Ottomans pretty late.
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>be playing burgundy
>2nd strongest nation in europe
>take over half of france, integrate lowlands
>PU naples, have dynasty on austrian throne
>suddenly aragon, austria, and milan (my allies) are all domineering and break alliance
why?
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>>1229833
forgot to mention that the austrians flipped back to von habsburg despite the fact no other nations had the dynasty and they had an heir
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>>1229836
Austria gets an event to get a habsburg back on the throne, although I'm not sure it applies to AI
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>>1229837
games over anyway, got fucked by england, france, portugal and castile because all my allies swapped to domineering for no reason
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>>1220173
Another image, this time I converted my colony (Chokuropalis Prussia Friedricha) to protestantism
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>>1229833
did you press the introduce heir button lmao
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>>1230942
no, everyone just swapped to domineering, even any new allies i got.
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I'm having an awesome game brehs.. started as Naples, PU'd Castile and integrated which took like 35 years, the whole time they were colonizing most of SA so now I'm the #1 world power and just need Roma to form Italy
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>>1231197
naples is one of my favorite starts so much fun
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>>1231235
Italy's just a fun region in general
>Savoy is perfect for Sardinia-Piedmont, and conquering France
>Milan gives you Ambrosian Republic, one of the most fun government types in the game
>Venice is full of flavor and unique government reforms
>Florence is a great trade nation with solid land military
>Naples is Naples
It's a very dynamic region, and Italy feels different whenever you play some other nation.
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The late game of EU4 is so much better on the new patch. Im playing past 1600 more than ever before. Finally had a nice Byz run. France was the final boss. Had to truce break at the end to finish off the bastard.
Also Spain PU'd austria then later got PU'd by poland
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>>1231244
my other game on the new patch with Hussite Bohemia, made a big balkan vassal swarm
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>>1231239
I wish Italy's map color wasn't identical to the Ottomans tho
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>>1231251
Does bohemia still have the idea that means other people spend more to core your land when they conquer it from you or did paradox get rid of that shit. Also that is a nice vassal swarm
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>>1231399
they got rid of all the core cost increase ideas. all of north africa used to have it too but they took it all out
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New player here, how do I maintain my power after the 1480s? I can develop into one of the strongest nations but at that point my nation irreversibly declines and my economy falters but at a certain point it all just gradually crumbles down
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>>1231582
Sorry, bit tired, ignore last bit thats repeated
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>>1231582
some basic tips
>in the early game tax income is your biggest earner, but as you unlock manufactories production/goods produced should take over as your highest earning income. buildings are a big investment but worth it on good provinces. build marketplaces on every tradecenter, workshops and manufactories on valuable high production provinces/trade goods, temples on high tax provinces ect.
>dont build over your force limit unless you absolutely have to. reduce army/fort maintainance when youre not at war/killing rebels if money is tight
>cavalry are expensive, dont build cavalry too much unless you are playing a nation like poland or a horde who gets bonuses to cavalry
>in the early game artillery is basically only for sieges but around tech 15 they become very important in large battles. although artillery are expensive they are worth the cost most of the time unlike cav
>economic/trade ideas help a lot for maintaining a strong economy
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>>1231582
that's only 40 years man. if you can only keep it going for that long then your only good era of econ is the economy you inherited from 1444.
make sure you're doing your trading correctly. don't collect in home node, transfer upstream to the home node following the arrows on the map and you'll collect without a merchant. expand your territory in your home node so you control more of it, then build marketplaces in that area to further your trade share. pick an early game idea tree, i.e. don't go trade ideas first just for better econ, go something like diplo and ally with stronger people. curry favors, ask for ducats. get war reparations in peace deals. take the merchant estate loans if you're falling behind. focus your production dev on provinces with the best goods produced(paper or silk etc).
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>>1231615
>>1231666
Thanks, I'll try these out in my next game to see how I compare
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>>1231686
Try Korea out
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Good morning Sir
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>>1231708
do the needful sir
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>>1231709
bloody bastard bitch rape u tomorrow
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>>1231699
whats interesting about korea?
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>>1231757
good tech and economy, you should have tons of monarch points to spawn institutions. main expansion goal is against Jianzhou, Orochoni, etc until the warring period ends, then Japan. Ming crumbles most games around the time you are a huge regional power so you can start eating up territory right before Europeans come in. game just flows well as Korea, not traditionally easy like Portugal or something, but relaxing and noob-friendly
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>>1220173
>>1221459
do you just blob into every direction like a retard?
>also colonies as a german nations
lol
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>>1232082
wtf are you babbling about you dumb ESL
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>>1231582
you got some solid advice so far but to avoid economy stagnating before manufactories become available build
>marketplace on province with estuary or centre of trade
>church and workshop IF it increases monthly income by 0.20 or more
There is more advanced stuff you can do such as choose Indebted to the Burghers for 5 interest free loans and also remember to seize land from your estates every 5 years
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Good morning Sir
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>>1220173
do you have to crack the launcher to get the dlcs to work now?
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Any ideas of how to consistantly go Gotland > Demark in less than 10 years?
I've seen it on youtube a few times, but they always cut to after it's done
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>>1237408
They are cheating then. I have no idea how it can be done in 10 years haha
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>allied austria so that they wouldn't be cobelligerent of enemy and call in allies in a PU war
>game says they arn't a co belligerent and cant call in allies
>somehow calls in allies anyway
wonderful
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>>1237408
It looks pretty straightforward just get those allies from your missions, the treasury access from the HRE Emperor, build over your force limit of ships then hire mercs with Austrian cash and go to town. That's what I did when the DLC first came out, seems pretty railroaded, not sure if it took ten years, but definitely not more than twenty to usurp the Danish crown.
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New Poland mission tree is just silly, I got Bohema and Hungary in PUs as well as Lithuania by 1480s. Been just having a comfy game, devving up stuff, vassal building, and building a fuckton of manufacturies.

I feel like I should really kick it into overdrive for the last century of this campaign. I want to take over some large region in Asia, and definitely destroy Revolutionary France. Funny thing is, pre-revolution France was my strongest ally for literally the whole game. I dismantled the HRE with their help and fed them a ton of provinces when I didn't need to just as a reward for their faithful service. Feels like they're basically a monster of my own creation.
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>>1232082
What confused you tranny?
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>>1241853
If the PU war is an attack on the Empire the Emperor is always a co-belligerent
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>>1220173
is Riga fun to play? I want to try them next.
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who has better national ideas, dithmarschen or hannover?
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i really enjoy spiralling into the peasants war disaster 7 times and then religious turmoil meanwhile poland next to me, who was torn apart by the ottomans 3 times in 20 years completely recovers, hires a 60k + army and then rapes me.
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>>1243246
i killed more peasant rebels in my country alone than the IRL figure in the entire holy roman empire
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>>1231197
how did you PU Castille? I'm a noob sorry. Did you royal marry them or did they royal marry you?
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>>1242001
Is Latin Empire a Client State?
See if you can take PLC to Vladivostok
I am going to do this with Teutonic Order on my next playthrough
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Do AI cheat when it comes to rebels?
How did Lubeck manage to stay occupied by rebels for 57 years without having their demands enforced
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Ming fucking refuses to blow up after 50 years with zero mandate. The fuck is this shit?
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>>1243638
Yes it does but I don't know if that relates to what you are seeing.
>>1245497
There's nothing left to blow up. This situation works slightly better for you there's only one target for Confucian AE
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>>1220173
Im itching to play a new run as the knights of Rhodes.
Plz someone persuade me otherwise
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>>1245748
See if you can get the meme achievement Knights in the Carribean
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>>1245638
>There's nothing left to blow up.
At this point, yes, but it obviously took several wars to get to it, and Ming usually blows up after the very first one where you take nothing but Inner Manchuria and Beijing.
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How to not get bored to tears with EU4? I feel like there isn't really anything interesting to do except spending mana just to paint the map a different color.
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>>1245748
conquer beijing and japan with them
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Do the teutons always ally with denmark? I've read it was a rare thing?
How do I deal with them as brandeburg?
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>>1247163
Ally Austria or Poland and let them do the job.
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>>1246482
You're right, if you're not blobbing or planning to blob, there is no game to play. I feel like we need to play Victoria II instead.

>>1247163
Denmark is the shittiest ally. Just fuck them up while they walk up and down scandinavia.
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Why does the AI use so much artillery? Do I use too little?
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>>1247509
combat width = infantry + cavalry = artillery
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any good mods to improve the gameplay?
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>>1242994
Hannover's a bit better imo
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>>1247163
Become the Emperor and curbstomp them you mouthbreather.
Or support sweden
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>>1224252
>imagine being so mentally ill and obsessed with random youtube channel you make a folder with screenshots of vids to spam it here

You just know this closet faggot is dreaming about getting ass fucked by this guy.
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>>1220173
>didn’t überblob
>didn’t make pretty borders either
What’s the point in playing if you don’t do one of the above?
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So is there anything to do besides paint the map?
Is there a mod that fixes the issue of nothing to do besides map painting?
I just want to create a cozy nation not be world emperor
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i HATE when the dumb AI takes land and increases the autonomy, makes it useless.
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Performance-wise, does the game run any better these days? I haven't touched it in a few years.
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>>1247509
You use too little. Always pack nearly as much arty into your army as inf+cav (and don't use cav lol) post mil tech 16. Arty damage can seriously change the outcomes of battles beyond any impact combat modifiers have
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>>1243419
Latin Empire and Circassia are both my client states. Going to Vladivostok sounds painfully boring and very unprofitable. I'm already sick of marching my armies back and forth through Siberia every time I fight the Russians. I'll probably take some place in China or India instead. Much cooler roleplay imo.
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>>1249602
I think so. Late game is still significantly slower even on a pretty good pc, but I feel like it takes a bit lower to get there and never becomes completely unplayable. Mind you most of the time I don't play the last hundred years so I might have just been getting lucky.
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I have formed prussia for the first time
I have never felt this powerful before
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Well, this is my best England game by a mile.
Blessed Timeline
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>>1250339
Cursed Timeline*
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Do you think it looks better or worse with Denmark, Czechoslovakia and Poland?
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>>1250881
>British Britain
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>release Xi as Ming and play as them
>only have like 18k force limit at the start
>realize I can't scale for shit because of the +50% dev cost on vassals
>Ming has 100 prestige and uses it to keep my liberty desire down
>they start integrating me
>fuck fuck fuck fuck
>stack every available dev cost modifier and spend all my admin and diplo mana just to buy another year of time
>have 300 military points until I complete Quantity ideas, say fuck it and make my newer regiments ahead of time before shit hits the fan
>literally months left before integrating and I DOW on Ming
>my 40k vs. their 100k, both have shit quality but their economy is sustainable and mine is burning down
>a mountain range divides my two forts and crossing it fucks me with attrition
>get down to 20k troops, say fuck it (again) and go all in on mercs
>I'm about to go down in flames when Ming agrees to a peace deal of paying me 1% warscore cost in reparations
>I get 1k ducats in reps and immediately pay all my loans
>Ming mandate crashes to 0
>50 years later I rule all of China

Feels good, shame the fun dies as soon as China is unified.
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>ottomans are a 5000 development monstrosity
>they allegedly have almost two million soldiers
>been at war with them for a few years
>have only seen maybe 200k
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>be Teutonic Order and conquer Russia
>30 Years War happens, I stand by Austria and fight for Catholicism
>Ottomans are with protties and make up 2/3rds of their forces
>they invade through my shitty unguarded Siberian lands
>spend three years beating those fuckers back until every Ottoman is dead and my armies have reached Ethiopia and Persia
>France still manages to solo the Catholic league with 80k troops
>send my boys over to wrap up this fucking war
>Austria immediately peaces out by ceding MY land to the Finns

THE FUCK
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I'm still kind of new to this, but whats the point of churches? When I have the list of provinces and how much extra income a church generates, even the very highest is +0.25 ducats, so given the choice I'd much rather build markets.
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>>1251178

When building markets, the number it gives isn't change in income, but trade power. Trade power is how much leverage you have to draw trade value out of a node; its importance is relative to the trade power of competing nations in the same node and is worthless if you would have 100% anyway.
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>>1251196
So what's the ballpark kind of time it should take for these buildings to pay off their initial cost? For a 90 ducat church generating 0.25 it would take 30 years to turn a profit, at which point it's only giving you another 3 ducats every year, is that even worth it?
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>>1251356

I build if it makes 0.1. You'll inevitably dev that province and get some tax modifiers to up the income more, in which case you already have the building built and have been collecting on it in the meantime. As soon as the building finished it should also up your income which in turn ups the amount of burgher loans, which let you build more shit immediately and keep the snowball rolling. Buildings might seem like a huge cost but debt isn't so bad and any money above 0 in your treasury is doing nothing for you. The meta of the game isn't to run a healthy, balanced eco, it's to create a runaway growth monstrosity.

But taxes aren't so great; I just build churches early when there isn't much alternative. Trade income is the real shit. Workshops and manufactories give you the base income boost but then do a whole bunch of shit to your trade value and trade income in the backend which I don't understand but pays off big once you have control over a few nodes.
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>>1251021
start RPing
you've been betrayed by the empire, it's time to take the empire into new hands. Yours.
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>>1251021
>siding with Austria
lol, lmao even
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The worst part of playing any northeast asian country is having to lose tens of thousands of troops to attrition marching across siberia to moscow when russia inevitably starts shit
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Can anyone give me a qrd on Leviathan and why it's hated?

Also is it worth picking it up again? I haven't played since they added mission trees and I didn't really like those
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Menu simulator.
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Playing as Ethiopia and I can't get any good eco. Doesn't help that I just don't understand economics in this game. All the guides say try to reduce spending, mothball forts, lower maintenance, control trade nodes, build workshops etc. etc. And I try to do this but it all adds up to like +0.005 ducats a month or some measley shit like that and I'm still poor. How the fuck are you supposed to make money? A lot of the advice doesn't actually work in practice. Yes I spend less money by lowering maintenance and mothballing forts, but then I get fucked by rebels. And I can mostly avoid getting rebels by not conquering areas but then I can't control trade nodes. Do I really need to sit through a three hour lecture series on YouTube to be able to do this?
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>>1252257
It had an abyssmal launch but it's not terrible now. They nerfed concentrate dev a ton but when the DLC/patch dropped you could easily get your capital to like 1000 dev within the first few decades and a ton of other stuff that was hilariously broken. It's worth getting now though I'd say.
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>want to try one of those colonial exile campaigns
>pick munster because their ideas are pretty good
>finally established, securing the NA coastline, paying off loans, too weak to fight natives
>no treaty of tordesillas buff because i can't create CNs
>spain shits out 5 colonies right next to me, gets a CN
>permanent debuff to colonization as long as I'm catholic
>impulsively switch to protestant
>france breaks their alliance with me, flips hostile
>instantly get dogpiled by england and denmark
I can do WCs and stuff but colonization games are the bane of my existence. Spain just spreads out at such an insane rate.
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>>1231486
I was playing a casual Florence into Tuscany game, but the mix of the gray of Tuscany and the Two Sicilies and the white of the Papal State and Austria (that ate Venice) made for a very ugly Italy.
I had to restart the game, keep Napoles and Austria in check and stay as Florence until I could form Italy for aesthetics sake.
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every fucking game I start in europe I forget to join one of the leagues for the league war
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>>1252836
You only form Tuscany if you aren't playing Florence, or if you want the prestige.
Tuscany exists for other nations, like Milan or Naples, to tag switch and get Tuscan ideas and missions. That's it.
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>>1253210
If you sit out the 30 years war you can use it as an opportunity to snipe shit from the HRE with the Emperor not being able to focus on you. If the Emperor does focus on you he's going to lose the league war so that's an opportunity in itself.
You can also use it to fuck over France, Ottoman or any of the other big powers that might get involved.
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>start game as Florence 1444
>rivaled by: The Papal States & Austria
Well, re-start it is
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>friendly fort surrenders at 7%
>enemy fort holds out at 50% for half a year
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>>1252354

>following the advice of fiscal conservatives

First of all, burn diplo to raise production to 10 on all gold mine provinces. Sell titles to always be between 10-20% crownlands (conquering will lower it anyways so don't bother raising it higher until Age of Absolutism). Always use burgher loans as your first loan type. Don't worry about debt in general, conquer faster and simply outscale it by raising your base income. Since expanding raises your burgher loans as well, it's good to take more 4% loans to pay off your old 1% loans so you can take out the burgher loans AGAIN (this time with the expanded amount) and then pay off the 4% loans. 1% loans are basically no interest so pay them at your leisure even if consolidating your debt raises the principle amount.

When in doubt, kill shit and expand faster than the Jew bankers can kill you.
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>>1253460
I was trying to play a chill game, so the switch was for rp purposes.
It ended up becoming a lot less chill when I formed Italy and I decided I had to form the Roman Empire, though.
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>ottomans declare military hegemony by 1680
This is getting out of hand.
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>>1254281

>get unlucky
>feel like the game is cheating you
>get lucky
>feel like the game is cheating you of an honest-won victory
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Is there a way to force the AI to change faction in the league wars?
I'm afraid I'll have to quit my current prussia run because of how big the catholic coalition got (spain blobbed on france and italy like crazy).
I was sure forcing protestantism on HRE minors was enough to make them join my league but they all still are in the catholic one.
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>>1254669
>Is there a way to force the AI to change faction in the league wars?
No.
If you are going to cheat anyways just cut out the middleman, activate yesman and peace them out haha
if youare not the league leader tag switch to them
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I feel like I win far more often if I choose infantry with defensive pips, what's the deal? Is offensive infantry just bad?
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>>1255141

IIRC the front row only hurts the other front row but cannons hurt both back and front. Defence is better on infantry because it helps them stand against the enemy's infantry in the front and cannons in the back. Since they can't do shit to half the enemy army offensively it's better to use them as damage sponges to give your own artillery time to fire back.
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>Free Company
>I still have to pay them
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Can someone give me a list of nations Anons have found fun and mildly challenging? I plan on finishing out all of Vanilla and slightly modded EU4 before moving on to Ante Bellum.
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>>1255141
I'd say it depends on the kind of battle you're dealing with. As the other anon said, defensive pips are much better for long, drawn-out battles and wars.
I think offensive pips are good on infantry, but that's really if you're targeting stackwipes. For example, fighting AI stacks with full cannon stacks. Since offensive pips also cause morale damage, you'll be much more likely to get a stackwipe with offensive unit pips than defensive ones.

With pips, it's really most important to avoid morale pips whenever possible, since regular shock/fire pips are just flat-out better now.
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>>1256051
is the only way to maintain control of the curia as the papal states just spamming cardinal appointments?
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>>1256051
Hosokawa
Korea
Jianzhou
Brandenburg
Denmark
Sweden
Norway
Naples
Papal State
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Holland should always be a lucky Nation desu. The Netherlands form way too late to be able to colonize anything besides a bit of Land in North America. Or Paradox could make colonizing much much slower (won't happen).
>the VOC what's that?
-some fat Swede, probably
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Admin efficiency makes my pp big. I couldn't bring myself to go a full 100% peace deal with all that overextension.
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>>1256465

Part 2. My ally Portugal tried cucking me out of provinces so I let Castile rape their lands while I sat by and farmed admin mana for the coring costs.
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I couldn't be fucked to finish this playthrough because it's boring micro now and I've formed Rome plenty of times. So I divided my empire into a tetrarchy and I'm giving it over to the AI. I didn't finish conquering the northwest but I think it's appropriate because historically Diocletian gave those lands to Constantius because they kept rebelling and being invaded, and it's fair for the AI because it still has equal dev with me and Italy. All three subjects already hate Byzantium and I have no idea how they'll function with 2000+ dev and duchy rank admin capacity. Also I'm 1 month away from the revolution firing in Byzantium. Let's go!
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>>1220173
how the fuck do you play prussia without getting cucked by danzig and your poland?
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>>1256568
Delay taking east prussia until you start getting opportunities to take bites out of poland/lithuania
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How would you feel about a mod that scales down the gov capacity of the #1 great power for every consecutive year they're at the top? I'm thinking it goes down to half by year 10 and then slows to reach 10% by year 100. The score (which no one cares about anyways) would be a tally of every year as #1 but scaled to bias each extra year. Then late game EU4 would be about staying afloat without it necessarily being rebel whack-a-mole.
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>>1256465
That's when you start releasing nations to eat at your own pace
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>>1220173
Unuronically cute to see baby's first blob. Sure, I can form Arabia as the Rassids by 1600, but it will never feel as good as forming my first Germany.
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>try elder scrolls universalis mod
>absolutism gives +5 unrest and -4 diplo rep
>innovativeness gives +5 unrest
>all the good military buffs add years of separatism
>takes hundreds of months to convert provinces with religious ideas + advisor
what moron was put in charge of balancing this mess? if you do any conquest your game just turns into rebel whackamole for the next 12 hours
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>>1256568
do you mean the danzig revolt???
there is an estate privilege that will stop it from firing I think
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>Gotland a breakaway state that lasted for 5 years after the game start
>make it independent with a 3 level fort
>able to ally whoever it wants
>make visby walls a great work for some reason
I should know this game isn't about history but this still feels silly
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>>1257696
>>make visby walls a great work for some reason
Gotta add power creep to sell those DLCs
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so is the game over now? they still don't seem to have fixed the ai
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>>1257851
Then nerf it after the initial sales frenzy dies down.
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>>1257926
i've been playing it recently for the first time in several years, and i think the ai has actually been improved a bit. they do naval invasions and make shitty little attempts to bait you with fog of war now
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>>1257926
I think they just said fuck it across the board when it comes to AI.
Some suit did some number crunching and calculated that they lose in sales if they just ignore it, than they would spend in man hours trying to fix.
Would explain their approach to Victoria 3 where they decided the less time they have to spend on AI, the higher their profit margins.
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>AI ally unexpectedly gives me many provinces in the peace deal
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is the game still playable?
the forums talk of the AI playing hide and seek and building forts everywhere
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>>1258274
>hide and seek
the AI armies tend to avoid mine when I'm being too aggressive for it to assemble enough troops to fight me
>forts everywhere
just bring more cannons
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>>1257926
AI still can't economy.
AI deletes all troops and the rebuilds them, depleting all manpower.
AI breaks occasionally and needs reload to fix.
Paradox doesn't give a fuck any more.
Just keep releasing mission DLC for that sweet loot.
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>>1258728
What's the best version of the game? 1.29, 1.30, 1.34?
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I downloaded a mod where around 1550 a disaster occurs for the #1 great power where it gets 25 years of disaster, then another country gets it and so on, but a nation can only get it once per campaign. I played as Ming and survived it by stockpiling 30k cash and stacking unrest debuffs. Then I watched the Ottomans, Poland, and France get gang-raped one by one. The Balkans and Anatolia were partitioned by The Mamluks, Genoa and Moldavia, while an Ottoman rump state solidified around Izmir. Poland got partitioned threeways (Bohemia filled in for Prussia's historic part). France got fucked by Swiss, Dutch, and Aragonese. It was fun times but I'm burnt out on EU4 now.
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>play as the dogshit king of Castile at the start
>in 20 years crush the Maghreb, get PUs on Portugal, Aragon, Naples, and Burgundy, defeat the HRE and France
>my king literally has like 0/1/0 stats

What's my head canon for how this happened? Good advisers? Isabella pulling the strings?
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>byz in ante bellum
>declare war against coalition of italian minors and muslims, have good allies + numbers + tech on the muslims, figure it'll be easy
>plan was to rush down the italians so i could focus on the muslims
>notice that the italians have mil tech on me
>get btfo in italy, now outnumbered in anatolia
>getting sieged in both directions, 0 manpower
>finally tech up and manage to save the italian front, but all of anatolia is now occupied
>barely manage to get a white peace after tricking several stacks into getting wiped in constantinople
Always check tech before declaring a war, holy shit.
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>>1220173
I somehow managed to PU fucking Muscovy as France through getting involved in a succession war. How the fuck did this happen? was it because they were my rival? I wasnt royal married to them or anything
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>>1220173
I am thinking about starting a game with the goal of uniting africa (starting with an african nation). Anyone did that? How did you start and how did it go?
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>>1220173
Playing this game for the first time since common sense released, that's a lot of bloat they add, jesus
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>>1258739
1.29 imo. They changed a lot of things that made the game worse and added too much bloat that made game run like shit on 1.30 and 1.31.
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>>1260164
maybe your dynasty spread from a secondary country to them?
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>>1220173
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>>1260536
You'll bounce back, don't worry bro.
Somebody tell him..
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>>1260537
I won't give up, one day castille will rise again...
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>>1260538
But seriously did you download someone's funny save file/country switch or something?
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>>1260540
Is my first eu game, I didn't know about the PU stuff and tried to conquer both
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>>1260542
That was your first mistake. You should've know about the events that give Castile a free individual PU on both of those countries, next time read the wiki and memorize every possible event before starting the game, my friend.
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>>1260545
I'm pretty dumb, if I just stood there reading without playing I wouldn't understand or remember what to do and get bored before playing, at least I learned the mechanics now
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>>1260550
I'm just kidding, most historically significant countries in EU4 have these railroaded events that you can get fucked over by if you don't know they're coming. I recommend Portugal if you want to Colonize unmolested (just drop the English alliance in favour of France with Castile) or try Brandenburg into Prussia for a good learning experience in the HRE.
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>>1260561
I will play Castille again another day with the knowlodge I got now
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>>1260566
Fine then, keep your gold.
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>>1258917
name of the mod?
sounds fun
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>>1260566
Castile is actually a bad beginner country.
Both your starting rulers are the worst potatoes in the game, castiles manpower situation isnt really great and youre surrounded by strong countries, every war you wage will be a big one.
I think playing Portugal, allying castile and violating africans and americans is the best way to learn the ropes.
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>>1260536
Time for a bizarro re-reconquista
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>>1260888
The trips are with you, fren. But I still think your view on Castile is not that of a new player. Experienced players will try to not miss opportunities for early growth. New players tend to try not to die. If you do nothing as Castile, you'll be fine. If you do the first thing the game suggests, to kill the blackfeet and push them back to africa, you will be fine as well. Only if you try to do some powergaming move you will get into real trouble.
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>>1256813
Forming Germany for the first time is when I realized I’m finally pretty good at this game and don’t suck balls
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>>1256881
That mod fascinates me because it’s so autistically deep and has so much flavor and shit but the mod is hot fucking trash. Set in a boring era of elder scrolls lore, runs like shit, and is just boring all around
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>>1260888
No, Portugal is bad as well because Castille becomes domineering. Best are England, France, and Ottomans.
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>>1260995
Portugal and England are terrible because they are boring ass motherfucking colonizing games, the worst part of eu4. Ottomans are by far the best beginner game, you have lots of places to expand to and quickly. Tons of fun easy ass wars.

France isn’t so good for a noob either because he’s gonna get fucked by HRE AE and the emperor.
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>>1261012
I also thought Portugal was boring until I actually played them and started waging wars in Africa/Hormuz/India with your mission claims and Deus Vult CB. Later you get to also fight the giga Ottomans when they reach your monopolized trade node in Hormuz or Aden.
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>>1260991
>so much flavor
i played some ashlander tribe that was on the interesting nations list, and there were no flavor events at all. did i just not pick a good country?
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>>1261055
I’m not sure I haven’t played much of the mod so I could be wrong, but I follow their little dev diaries thing and it seems that 90% of what they add, and they update it like twice a month, is flavor events. It seems to be jam packed full of it.
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>>1261051
Not that anon, but I don't think Portugal is a good beginner country anymore, as already stated castille/spain becomes domineering, you can get drawn into the 100 years war if you don't know it's coming. Taking the Moroccan mountain fort can be a death trap, naval/colony management and financing are probably death traps for new players.

I see so many people give bad advice to newer players on what to play as they look at it through the lense of someone who's experienced and knows the events. The Ottomans are hands down the best nation for a beginner to play. In the centre of the world so can expand in any direction, great trade node, great economy, best units after tech 5 so a newbie will win engagements they shouldn't really win, great ideas early, and there's no events that can really fuck you up nearly everything for them from 1444-1600 is positive
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>>1261081
I agree that the Ottomans are the easiest country, but I wouldn't recommend playing them first because they are just too strong and the new player will get a bit of a false first impression than playing someone weaker at the beginning of the game.
You're right Morocco conquest as Portugal is tricky since if you ally Spain they will occupy it for themselves. Spain's domineering doesn't matter just ally France or Austria and they will eventually fuck off once the PU CB runs out. Now that I think about it Portugal is kind of hard to play financially at the start, I mostly recommend them because I had played as them recently and it was really fun, love their ideas, but Castile is easier if you want to Colonize as a new player.
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I'm playing EU4 again after not playing since 1.32. I heard 1.33 was a colossal disaster but 1.34 seems just fine and the one game I've played so far as Livonia for the achievement was good. The government reform mission with its apparently 15 different options was cool. But is it at all realistic to play tall Livonia and colonize? There's no way to get the colonial distance you need to get over to the mission colonies before Portugal does and you're doomed by the trade flow taking it all to Lubeck, meaning you need to blob over there, at which point you might as well just play as ghetto Prussia anyway.
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>>1261175
Right now colonizing is pointless if you aren't playing castile or portugal. Their head start and buffs mean that they will out-colonize you even if you go exploration-expansion and spend all your money overloading your colonists. It's a complete waste of time when you can just steal all their shit later on without having to waste money or idea groups.
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>>1261124
>because they are just too strong and the new player will get a bit of a false first impression than playing someone weaker at the beginning of the game.
Completely fair point, I guess it just comes to down to what do you think the new player experience should be, I feel EU4 is hard enough to get into through the numerous ui's and mechanics that a new player shouldn't be given too much trouble early on. You're 100% right that it will give them a false expectation afterwards tho. I didn't play Ottomans after 500 hours and I was taken back by how easy they were.
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>>1261195
I'd say depends on whom you play. I did a Burgundy into Dutch game and I was fine with getting most of Gunea, the Cape and everything east of it with the new Netherlands in Manhattan (economic ideas into explo-expo). If you want the Caribbean and a specific colony in South America without cheesing it somehow than you need to play one of the Iberians it seems.
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The real enemy of the game is manpower. If you delete all manpower for all nations, the world will divide into independent ethnostates which are incapable of warring against each other. All mana would be spent on deving with a huge boost to the fact that each petty monarch gets free mana generation. Money would be spent on buildings instead of bullets. The meta would be diplo + influence and diplo-vassalizing neighbors. The HRE would be a great proto-UN uniting mankind into a semi-democratic brotherhood. Autonomy would be the go-to to avoid rebellions instead massacring them. The world would be a utopia.
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Why can't I stackwipe them? They've walked back and forth between these two armies getting beaten 5 times now. Does the AI get off on this kind of stuff? They aren't even getting morale ticks between every battle
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>>1261175
>>1261195
>>1261250
If you take away Expansion ideas from Colonial Nations (2 free colonists per CN) it would be much fairer. I'll take away their expansion ideas through console on my next playthrough which is going to be a non colonial holy horde anyway
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>>1261433

Eu4 has a save game converter for CK2 which is cool if you want to reenact historical scenarios but still have it in 1444 so the gameplay isn't fucked like it is in extended timeline.
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>>1260536
I said I would play till the end date, so I'm doing it, 10 bankrupcies later, I spent every coin building fortress on every province as I conquered and increasing the reg limit to field a decent and eventually powerful army, the French empire helped me eat Aragon through the 17th centuty but wouldn't touch Portugal, so when French went revolutionary I changed to republic to keep allied to them and they helped me eat kingdom of Portugal through the 18th century, Portugal was the number 1 gp and had almost a million manpower, but it was mostly on the colonies and what they had on europe got mostly killed sieging my every province a 8 fortress country, they were allied to Austria most of the time, so while France knoced them out of the war the Portuguese got stuck sieging every province and losing manpower untill the french came to knock them out. Was quite an experience for my first game, glad I managed to Re-Reconquista my way out, but the game runs so poorly from the late 1600's onward it was the greatest challenge, I will try and get some stuff on Italy now if France will help and maybe try to take Tunis, though the Ottos are military hegemon so I don't know if France can face them.
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If a colonial nation has other colonial nations under the same overlord as allies and it declares independence and wins, do their allies also become independent?
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>>1260537
>>1260537
I did it bro
>>1261885
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>>1261885
>10 bankruptcies later

ah yes, the authentic Spain experience
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>>1261937
It was part of the mistake that lead me to become a 3 province state before, starting stupid wwars, getting too much AE and ending up with full loans to field an entire mercenary army
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>>1261885
>Republic of Italy
cursed
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>>1261996
Tunis and ottos kept attacking me for sardinia, I thought maybe if I made a client state they would stop, it actually worked, I dont know why though, but I will annex them now that I can face them
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>>1261885
Baguette power
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>>1261428
They finally got stackwiped after a few years. Andalusia got dropped to like -30 prestige because of all the lost battles
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>playing as Sweden
>AI Austria going ham and getting all of its PUs and free instant inherited Burgundy
>decide to dismantle so I can expand into the empire and weaken Austria by removing its emperor buffs
>now that Austria isn't hamstrung by HRE politics it's eaten almost all of Germany and France by 1600
I did this to myself
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>tfw failing to learn how to play EU4 and my runs always end because I make some dumb mistake or didn't know how to do something
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>>1262624
I am the same with HOI4
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>>1262624
If you're learning to play you should always play as Castille, Ottos, or England. As long as you don't trigger some giant coalition early you should never be in any danger and they're all big and isolated enough to let you get away with playing badly.
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>>1262624
>conquer weak looking countries in your way, ally multiple strong looking countries that aren't in your way
>don't be afraid of debt if it's in support of profitable conquest
>be stingy with monarch points
>avoid coalitions
it's really not that complicated
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Is there any reason to play Brandenburg->Prussia instead of Teutons->Prussia now that Tuetons have their god tier mission tree? Unless you really want Hohenzollerns I guess.
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>be big dick Serbia
>truce expires on the Ottomans
>ready my armies and position them
>realize I don't have any claims
>declare a trade war
>solo them and sack Constantinople
>take 1000 ducats, leave, annex Hungary instead
>epic 6/5/6 king who's reigned from 1444-1484 passes away
>finally on the great powers list

Feels good man.
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Was hoping to be able to use the religious leagues as a way to make some gains and break the ottomans but it's looking a bit cursed.
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>>1262960
I mean if you paid for the "Win" button you might as well use it.
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>>1262960
Idk, depends on what you get from the missions, but being a Monarchy as Prussia is still insanely better than being a Theocracy or a Republic due to +3 Monarch military skill. Not that it matters since you get the option to flip into a Monarchy when you form Prussia as Teutons anyway.
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>>1262624
Those games are just like life, if you failed to get the meta right on the early game, its over, you won't get anywhere
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>>1263278

Bullshit, I've done plenty of succession campaigns where I go to #1 GP.
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>>1220173
how do I get elected to HRE emperor as France? even when I ally and butter up all the electors I still can't beat Austria
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>>1263434
i did it years ago but even then the malus for
>france is not german
was too much, they've probably nerfed it harder since then
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>>1262999
How could you not have claims ??
grats all the same that is good play with serbia
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>>1263434
Get more dip rep or break up Austria so they lose the large country bonus. Or hope the emperor dies right after Austria eats a ton of AE.
>>1263440
I just did a game as Denmark emperor like two days ago.
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>>1263443
ah fuck didnt even think of the large cuntry bonus I'll beat them up
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>>1263442

I stopped paying attention to the mission tree because I needed 40% crownland. I tend to stay between 10-20% because I keep selling titles and it will slide down into that range anyways with all the privileges I give my estates. But I just got it up and activated the missions for all the claims.

My most recent series of wars was bananas:

>Ragusa guaranteed by Ottomans, Papacy (my ally), and France
>Venice owns the fort in Dalmatia and is allied to France
>get around it by calling Pope into my war with the Ottomans
>declare war on Ragusa, triggering war with France
>declare war on Venice who's now alone
>end war with Ottomans
>realize I can't call allies now because they won't join two wars at once
>King of Bohemia (my biggest rival) suddenly dies and I get a free PU on them
>my best friend Muscovy declares war on me to contest it, all my allies come in
>meanwhile I'm fucking up Venice, France's 60k troops are parked in Venetia eyeballing me for a moment of weakness, my boys Bohemia and Austria are absolutely fucking up Muscovy
>peace out Venice, march on Paris, bombard and assault it, peace out for money and Ragusa, march east all the way to Moscow, burn it, take ducats and return home, make friends with Muscovy again
>life is good in the Balkans
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>>1263491
>defeated ottos at least 3 times but didn't take constantinople
>running a deficit in 1538 with two gold mines
Great job succeeding as Serbia though anon, that's one of the harder starts.
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>>1263491
release croatia
play as them
change culture of bosniak and albanian
make serbia the vassal of croatia ;)
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>>1263495

Thx, I didn't take Constantinople because I didn't want to snake and it would make later wars harder to get warscore in until I could get naval superiority and cross into Asia, which took forever to get. IMO Wallachia is a much harder start because you can't fabricate claims on Serbia and Bosnia and you don't start with a gold mine. I did a Wallachia playthrough by no CB'ing Bosnia, vassalizing them, making them a march, and feeding them land. Then I was able to buff my force limit enough to get stronger allies to invade the Ottomans with.

If I stick with this playthrough I might move my capital to Pest and expand into Poland. I've done enough Byzantium LARPs to not want to go any further into Anatolia.
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>>1263505
Wallachia is unironically a trap, you're supposed to start as Moldavia if you want to play as Romania. You can full annex Wallachia immediately and don't have to worry about them becoming a march of somebody.
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>>1263508
is it possible to do a novgorod without bullshit poland alliance shenanigans
sorry to change convo but you two seem to be good players haha
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>doing an achievement run
>fuck everyone and their mothers, annex half of Italy and Korea
>coalition forms and the wrath of God falls down upon me
>coring finishes and the achievement unlocks
>turn off the game, rip out the computer's power cable, throw the hard drive out the window

And my king reigned happily ever after, the end.
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>>1263509
Novgorod is literally the git gud at micro tag, you can beat Muscovy and its vassal swam 1 on 1 when they attack early with a couple merc stacks, just don't fall into the debt spiral afterwards. Alternatively you can restart until Lithuania is rivaled with Muscovy but not you so they'll ally and then scum until Poland picks the local noble.
The real meme start is Pskov, which is literally unplayable without Lithuania rivaled to Muscovy so they don't give military access (also needs local noble) and you can get independence from ticking warscore after 5 years.
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I did it a few weeks ago and it wasn't that hard. I expanded aggressively into Livonia/Teutonic Order and then solo'd Poland. It sounds counter-productive when Muscovy is looming on your doorstep but the rapid conquests justify fielding an oversized army. A large army acts as a deterrent for Moscow's cost-benefit analysis when deciding whether to invade, and it buffs other nations' willingness to ally you. Once you get a strong buddy like Austria and opportunity for growth in a collapsing Poland, you can rapidly scale the economy and get the right ideas until you're ready for a 1 vs. 1 against Muscovy.
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>>1263517
>Alternatively you can restart
I do not do this. I would rather save time and cheat in some way (I do not do that either). If a tag relies on restarts I will not play them.
Thank you for the advice though I have heard Novgorod can be OP with the latest patches and consider them for the next playthrough.
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>>1263519
Playing in Eastern Europe as not-Muscovy is like playing in the Balkans as not-the-Ottomans. You need to beat them early or they never go away. The only time I ever delayed the early war with them was playing as Ryazan where I allied them so they'd leave me alone and cut off their southern and eastern expansion and ate the steppes and backstabbed them way later.
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>>1263519
>>1263522
Thank you for this advice as well anons
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>>1263491
vgh, gross serbiums, what should've been
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I didn't realize overstacking was a thing until I watched Youtubers play the game. I used to try overwhelm the AI with sheer numbers, which backfires when it's late game and you're way over the combat width. The worst was when I botched an invasion of Central Europe as the Ottomans and engaged a 60k French stack with literally a million dudes and massively faceplanted. The enter stack took attrition as it fled all the way to Asia. It made for an awesome narrative to my playthrough, however, about how my Asiatic horde went from the peak of efficiency to a disastrous farce.

I recently fought a coalition war as Spain and properly trickled in my troops. I crushed an army of 600k by trickling in 120k troops 5k at a time. Felt big brain.
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>>1263529
>cheesing an already easy game
Literally what's the point?
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>>1263529
>facing coalitions
sounds like what you really needed to learn was AE management and truce locking
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Semi-topical but just for fun my Latin teacher sent me this PDF of a 16th century Latin manuscript about Ottoman sultans with illustrations of them. But I'm not adept enough to be able to read it yet.
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>>1263491
>I tend to stay between 10-20% because I keep selling titles and it will slide down into that range anyways with all the privileges I give my estates. But I just got it up and activated the missions for all the claims.
Speaking of which, what is everyone's strategy with crown land?
I usually go to 0% at first, then seize land at every opportunity, keep influence as low as possible, and revoke most privileges before absolutism mechanics start. I prefer burgher loans or debasing over selling crown land.
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>>1263537

I let the fuckers have all the influence they want but start getting proactive about stripping privileges around 1550. If their influence is ungodly high then I'll push their happiness up to 100% because then you can strip a privilege no matter what. I keep the power points and some baseline happiness privileges to keep stripping titles and devving with the burgher boost. Once they're in the 80% range I'll sell titles and strip the last privileges, because extra crownland doesn't matter anymore.
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>>1252134
I keep a pet horde vassal to play grabeeass in Siberia, fuck spending 2years walking across that shithole with my own armies.
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>>1252354
I’d try to your way down the Horn of Africa to the zimbabwe gold mines, then rape the pajeets for trade money. Exploration might legit be a good first idea group to hop to the spice islands.
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>>1263535
>sultan mehmet-chan
kek
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>>1263537
>Speaking of which, what is everyone's strategy with crown land?
Now that they killed the old selling land at 0.001 crownlands opening I can't decide if I'm better off going taking the 3 mana privileges and going to 0%->seize to 5% or just giving out regular privileges and taking the mana ones over time. I feel like estates take more land with influence now but it might just be in my head.
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By Allah, imagine being a Gr*ek and getting abducted into Mehmet's harem and put on HRT. Everyday you watch old mosaics get plastered over, icons torn up, and marble pillars demolished. Then Mehmet (PBUH) throat rapes and ass fucks you and leaves you a slobbering mess in front of his Jannissaries. Then they come in all at once and enjoy the sultan's sloppy seconds. Come dawn you're slumped against the Theodosian Walls, crying black mascara-dyed tears through the crust of dried Turkish cum, watching as the last of line of chained women and children are forced marched out of the city to die horrible deaths in some Serbian gold mine. Then the janissaries find you and clasp their meaty sausage fingers round your neck and drag you off for round 2 out of infinity. And you think to yourself, "I used to be Roman emperor..."
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>>1263586
>And you think to yourself, "I used to be Roman emperor..."
The greeks were no more roman than the turks were, 1204 best day of my life.
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>>1263586
>Least gay roach
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>>1263568
>3 mana privileges and going to 0%->seize to 5%
This is what I prefer for what it's worth. Especially if you're a small country that can easily take a bunch of land.
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>>1263568
give out three mana privileges and DON'T seize. If you wait a few months, you get estate statutory rights event, which immediately bumps your crown land to 30% in exchange for 25% autonomy. Yes it makes you even poorer, but the way out is forward by conquering more land, and for that you need mana.
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>>1263605
Estate Statutory rights is SHIT unless you're staying as an OPM for some reason since the capital is always 0% autonomy, or in some other niche cases where you aren't expanding at all. If you have 5% crownland you'll gain gigantic chunks from conquering as long as you didn't give out a million influence privileges. If your estate influences are too high you actually lose crownland when conquering shit and ESR isn't helping that.
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>>1263611
looking at the actual problems with low crownland I think you are actually right
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>>1263605
Worst thing about this event is that it pops up constantly and you have to make sure to decline every time.
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What is the best patch/version of EU4?
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>>1222975
i only do the ones that give me +1 monthly mana and the virtually free loans from the burgers.
Other than that I ignore most of them
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>>1229833
because AI-player bias makes the AI want you to lose
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>>1263685
1.11 for pre-dev update
1.29 for pre-emperor update that slowed the game down
1.32 for easy blobbing
1.34 for better AI than 1.32
Unless you want something specific the current patch is honestly fine.
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>>1263718
>1.11
Was the game way harder back then or am I remembering wrong?
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It turns out the real Sweden was the Finns we made along the way.
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>>1263718
How is the AI better?
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>>1263760
It's much more aggressive and actually remembers it has favors to use on you.
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>be Pope
>need achievement for conquering Jerusalem
>wait for Ottoman-Mamluk war
>load up on mercs
>land a 10k expedition Normandy-style in Cyrenaica
>capture a port, land another 20k
>capture Cairo
>Ottos peace out, rout the scattered Mamluks
>peace out for Jerusalem, unlock the achievement
>ave_maria.jpg
>click the decision to release Jerusalem
>mfw it's Muslim
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>>1263854
Hilarious if true, but you can just use the subject interaction to make them Catholic anyway.
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>>1220173
>dutch rebellion fires
>lose all of the netherlands
REEEE
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>>1263862

Does it always do that? In my Spain game it just triggered revolts but I was so jacked on overextension anyways it hardly made a difference.
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>>1263862
>don't have more than 5 provinces in the lowlands
>culture convert yourself
>culture convert the lowlands
>just move your capital to one of the COTs there, it's the best land in the game anyway
it's very easily avoidable
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>>1263865
>move your capital
soulless...
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>play as Riga
>every game gets fucked by Livonians attacking Novgorod and taking Ingermanland, meaning Muscovy comes and eats Livonians before I can vassalize them
Riga more like Reeeega
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Gazikumukh and Mushasha are my vassals. Timurids have potential for expansion but they'll have to wait while I shore up the West. I'm at the point where I have to 1 v. 1 the Ottomans. I'll be my 50k troops vs their 60k if neither of us hard commits. Them and I both recently beat up the Mamluks at the same time so I have to hamstring them now before they snowball. They also guaranteed Aq Quyunlu who has my cores. My plan is to spend a year or two consolidating, then declare war on Hisn Kayfa and barrage and assault the fort on day 1. Then I'll hold the line and defend the war goal until I can peace out Ottos. Calling in my allies Hungary/Muscovy is possible but not guaranteed. When the wear is near the end I'll declare on Aq Quyunlu if I can't make Ottos revoke their guarantee.
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>ally decides to guarantee my rival for absolutely no reason whatsoever
You are going to find out, Milan
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>>1263928
Delete the fort in baghdad so you only have mountain forts. Wait for Ottos to siege and then rape them, rinse and repeat until they (eventually) run out of manpower, no allies required.
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>>1263937
The treachery of the milanese transcends game franchises
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It all went according to keikaku boys, all according to keikaku. Ottos were invading Hungary so I assaulted the forts in Syria and stood my ground in the mountains bordering Anatolia. The Ottos tried sneaking in to Georgia and got stomped against the mountain. Then they besieged Aleppo and I routed them in a pretty conventional battle. That was enough to make them revoke their guarantee and hand over 1k ducats. Then I annexed Qara Quyunlu. My AE is a little high but I'm finally out of debt (I peaked at 3k) and now's a good time to consolidate, build my eco, relax, and build claims on Mamluks and Ottos. I'd rather grind down my enemies to the west than die from attrition attacking the Timmies in their mountain forts.

>>1263941

Baghdad is definitely a strategic weakness but I made it my capital for silly roleplay reasons, so the fort has to stay. It all worked out though.
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>>1263951
What is your goal here? It doesn't look like you're forming Persia.
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>>1263953

I dunno, originally it was survival, now I'm just doing what makes sense in the current political context. I'm a shark in the water and I go where I smell blood. Baghdad is comfy and good for devving institutions. Since it's my capital, maybe I'll do a Neo-Assyrian Empire LARP.
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>>1263605
Ignore everything in this post haha
Just choose the bottom option and expand and develop anyways.
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>could have sworn up and down that there was a Schleswig tag
>mfw there isn't and has never been one
This is some Berenstain bears shit
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YOLO
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WTF THEY'RE JUST STANDING THERE
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There we go, Jesus.
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>>1264726
>>1264734
>>1264737
If you don't name your female rulers Zenobia you're a flaming faggot
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We're hard practitioners of Mamelukenomics, which is the policy of burning through ducats as long as the Mameluks pay war reparations. We got the Golden Horde and Ajam as vassals. Ottos distrust us but we might be able to keep them as allies long enough to repair relations. In this war I'm going to take Iraq as a vassal because I need to dev Renaissance and I have an ungodly amount of rebels coming.

>>1264742

yessir
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>>1264748

>We got the Golden Horde and Ajam as vassals

*allies, my bad. I had to peace out Aq Quyunlu for one province and a buncha ducats because they were routing my armies on mountain forts despite having 1.5x numerical superiority. It's good though, releasing Iraq is our foothold for the next war. Next target is the Hejaz.
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>>1264748
Are you going to form another tag or just stick with Syria? Arabian ideas are dogwater and wouldn't you need to culture shift in order to get rum or persia?
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LET'S GO!

>>1264765

I'll form a tag if I get the chance but I won't do culture shift shenanigans.
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Current progress thus far. Had to white peace the Timmies because I couldn't get my allies to stay with me when besieging their capital, otherwise the war against Qara Quyunlu went great and I got all of Iraq's cores back. Then I teamed up with the Ottos to smash the Mamluks. Ottos did all the heavy lifting and attacked the Mamluks even when outnumbered 2:1. Karaman was an enemy ally in the war so I got 100% warscore on them just to get the longest possible truce. That way the Ottos can't annex them and progress down their mission tree for another 15 years. It's looking like I'll be forming the Mamluks this game - I just have to eat them and that'll take forever.
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>>1264806
I always love seeing runs like this but there's something about releasing a tag and then eating who you were released by and becoming them that almost seems "pointless" to me but I don't feel that way about OPM's, weird.
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Wherever I am, I must kill the turks.
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Umm, sure. Not like they can get a PU on me anyway.
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We're in dire straits, boys. We broke our alliance with the Ottos because they declared war on Karaman, triggering war with the Mamluks, and tried calling us in, but I refused to slow my expansion by getting a truce with the Mamluks. Then they joined a coalition with Arab minors against us and declared as soon as we returned from Egypt. We're equal in tech but they have us beat in troop quality and numbers. We have a human brain, however, and I intend to maximize its usefulness. My plan is to hire 20k mercs, beat back the Ottos whenever they besiege me on the Anatolian front, and play cat and mouse with them whenever they try taking the long route through Iraq. The Arabs should be feeding me free warscore in the south, but moving off troops to beat them back will be inconvenient. By Allah I will drive these T*rkish dogs back to Constantinople. No one should be allowed to kill fellow Muslims except me.
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Off to a good start!
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>>1264881
Based. What ideas did you go?
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>the pope won't join a holy war for jerusalem
and so the slow crawl towards iberia begins
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Time to intergrate Syria, march on Rome, and restore the Pentarchy.
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Stupid fucking war, but we won. Ottos should never be this much of a threat again, we're cockblocking them good and scaling our eco, plus we'll get better allies.

>>1264887

Offensive and Eco.
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How do I - The Knights?
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>>1264904
The same way you do every other small balkan tag in the path of the ottos, ally some combination of hungary(austria if they got PU'd)/mamluks/poland and build galleys. Knights has the advantage of being able to raid coasts, just don't raid mamluks if you want to ally them.
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>>1264905
>ally some combination of hungary(austria if they got PU'd)/mamluks/poland
They will actually accept? Or is there some trick to it besides improving relations and insulting their rival?
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>>1264907
>religious diplomats privilege
>+100 from improving
>+1 dip rep advisor
>scornful insult rivals
>threatened stance towards ottomans
>gift if absolutely necessary
>additional +1 dip rep from 50 papal influence
Even Mamluks flip friendly and ally
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>>1264908
Okay then, will try, thanks.
*fails miserably*
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>>1264903
Why are you still taking econ post-nerf? Especially if you're abusing the bank of the ottos for money. You get the nice government reform later with econ but it's only 5% dev cost and goods produced and it comes too late to matter. Admin has got to be better with all of that blobbing into same-religion land.
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>>1264925

I foresaw that my blobbing would stall as Timurids and Ottos encircle me and my AE goes up. I wanted something to pump my admin points into and scale while waiting. But really I just wanted the idea group because I'm erratic and choose something if I haven't used it in a while.
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How the fuck are you supposed to defend against a bigger neighbour? Mamluks are one military tech behind but they have twice my army and twice the manpower. So I guess I'm supposed to just lose a war and cede territory to them every 10 years, from now until the end of the game?
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>>1265052
Put fort on mountain/hill/highlands.
If it's on a river even better.
Let them siege and then hit them with your entire force.
If you get low on manpower, take loans(estate privilege) and use mercs.
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I just love playing Europa Universalis IV. It's a great game! Conquering nations as the Ottomans is freaking epic! The day after the game, my mother, sister, brother, father and I were sitting in the living room, watching the news. We had been watching it for a while now, since the day we arrived. A lot of it had already been broadcast, as we had just been informed of our arrival. There was nothing more to see. Nothing to hear. So we just sat there, in silence, listening to the sounds of people talking and the occasional explosion, like the ones that had recently occurred in Afghanistan. My parents had never been to Afghanistan before and didn't really know what it looked like, except that it sounded like a bomb going off. As I watched the screen, I noticed that the camera had zoomed in on an explosion in Kandahar, a city about a half a world away from our home. In the background I heard the sound of a helicopter. Then the image changed, to show a man running down the street, screaming, his arms and legs flailing, trying to stop the helicopter from crashing into his house. He looked to my parents, then to me and said "My wife and child are in danger! Please, please help!" My sister and brother were still watching.
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So i haven't played EU in a gorillions years and now Im subscribed and I all these new DLC and core mechanics are intimidating for a lad that wants a comfy time

got any guide/tutorial that can help this old man wrap his head around the new reality of things?
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>when you release a colonial nation to play as them and the 8k dev hegemon you were playing as declares war on you
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Thus ends our Syrian campaign. We threw off the yoke of Mamluk tyranny so we could ourselves become the Mamluks. Ottos and Timurids are still threats but our infrastructure and ideas are good enough to leave me confident that we'll survive. Alodia and Armenia are my vassals.

>>1265110

I like Red Hawk's country-specific how-to guides. Even if you're not playing the specific country in the video, it still helps to see what your general openers should be. Zlewikk's videos are good for getting to know the meta.
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>>1265130

just scorch the earth, bro
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>>1265144
Red Hawk is pretty good, but I don't like how much he emphasizes loans and getting rid of all your crown land. I've had cases where my economy is in complete shambles after trying to copy his moves.
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>>1265155

>I don't like how much he emphasizes loans and getting rid of all your crown land

These are good moves if you're going to expand nonstop. Crownland slips away anyways from expansion if your estates have high influence because of privileges. Debt shrinks in importance as you grow even if it grows in actual quantity. But if you're going to get hugboxed or play tall, then sure, stabilize your shit.
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>>1265198
I just don't see a benefit in wrecking my country to expand fast in the early game most of the time. I'd rather get my reforms finished and set my country up to be ready for efficient blobbing once the age of absolutism starts.
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>>1265218
a lot of problems are easier solved early than late. Lots of players who whine about the third world reaching parity or ottomans pushing their shit in just sit at home till the age of absolutism and then get shocked when the AI blobs. Rennisance is a lot stronger age since leviathan, you can stack up warscore cost reduction between age abilities / monuments now for ghetto absolutism.
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>>1265243
I suppose if you're next to Muscovy or France or the Ottomans it makes sense to neuter them during the Renaissance.
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>>1265218
Some people recommend staying relatively small and building up until absolutism and then rapidly expanding, those people are fucking retards. Blob as early and often as you possibly can, ideally in multiple directions to break up the AE. Manpower management is the real challenge, spamming mercs beyond the initial free company/cheeky 4 siege merc leader will destroy your economy and professionalism. Get used to having no buildings besides courthouses.
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>>1265052
>member of the most intelligent species on Earth can't find a way to win against a bunch of scripts
ngmi
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What do you guys listen to when letting your mental auto-pilot play the game for you? I listen to any power metal that ISN'T Sabaton (for obvious reasons).
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>>1265272
I watch tv while playing paradox games
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>>1264863
you love it chud
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>>1265272
recently, japanese hip hop. i don't like to roleplay so it doesn't matter that it doesn't fit the game at all
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>invade Ottomans from Syria
>taking Ankara lets me spread out and capture most of Anatolia
>barrage and assault it
>disperse my troops
>Ottos march over from Constantinople, immediately barrage and assault to retake it
>rush my troops back, fight them off, barrage and assault it again
>disperse again
>they come back and do it again
>rinse and repeat 10x
>500 military power from each of us is flushed down the toilet
>disgusting war with them bleeds them enough for Poland to finish the job for me

Ottos. Stop. Just stop.
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>>1265314
does the AI get free barrages?
the fucker does it all the time.
I need 40 mil to develop for sailors or roll a general
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>>1264863
Have you ever let Extended Time run overnight in spectator? What is the cunt that survives the longest.
Who survives the longest IRL? Iran?
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>>1265319
How long does it take to flip horde as an abo anyway? That one tribe has insane military ideas but if you can't start until 1600 it'd still be hard.
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>>1265319
take the portugal pill
get 9 mil power coastal barrages with zero ideas.
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>play portugal
>get pu'd by spain
joke tag, glad they finally got buffed after portuguese whined for 10 years on the forums
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>he doesn't have so much extra mil that he can barrage whenever he wants
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What are the most fun nations to do colonization with right now?
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>>1265450
Japan, if you play things right you got entire west coast for yourself
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>>1265376
They've been pretty strong militarily since Golden Century made naval dominance much more rewarding. The worst period was between Dharma and Golden Century, when the pajeet chauvinist devs made every single tag in currytopia a little prussia and portugal would get stack wiped by fucking vijay in the 16th century. Bloat always is in their favor, because they get so filthy rich. Leviathan allowing you to basically buy ideas with cash has been GREAT for the Richugal playstyle.
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>>1265450
Aztecs
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>>1265451
I wish you could do a Japan game without also having to conquer China. Nippon is just such a shit trade node for colonizers
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>>1265463
can't you collect in Indonesia pretty easily?
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>>1265474
From what I remember there's no way to get the Nippon ducats down there without going through Beijing, which triggers my autism
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>be Mamluks
>at max gov capacity, just fucking around now
>diplo-vassalize Morea
>beat up Ottomans, take Greece, release Byzantium as a vassal
>take my Christian Greek vassals under my wing and shepherd them to prosperity
>making preparations for Age of Absolutism
>can't strip noble privileges because of 100 noble influence
>still have the two vassal privileges, they disappear if I ditch my vassals
>annex Morea and feed them to Byzantium
>cut Byzantium loose
>Ottos pounce immediately despite having been carved to shreds and just got full occupied from the League war
>Byzzies reduced to a single province in Morea overnight
>meanwhile I'm smoking hashish and building soldier's households for manpower which I'm never going to use

lol do you think the Ottomans and I can kiss and make up in the remaining 200 years?
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I haven't played in a few years. Jesus, Sweden's mission tree is no joke. Any other ridiculous ones I could try after this?
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>>1265621
All the Nordic mission trees are big. Teutonic Order has a crazy Catholic horde route
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>>1265621
Teuton and Livonian mission trees are both insane and have completely different branching paths within them, highly recommended. Teutons get a super busted horde government and Livonians get militarization without a governing capacity malus. Riga has a short mega meme tree that gives it insane buffs as an OPM and subjugation CBs on the holy orders.
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>>1265669
>>1265675
TO and LO were literally my favorite nations before. That's very encouraging to hear.
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>>1265621
I've only got 1400 hours in the game spread amongst many years so I saw what the game was like before specific mission trees although I wasn't a great player. But the newer mission trees are just absolutely busted and way to easy. I don't mind something like Austria getting PU's by why the fuck can I as Hungary simply get a easy PU cb over Poland-Lithuania and another over Bohemia, and another over Austria. It makes the conquests feel to "free" and like I've just been gifted tons of clay with no real effort from me.
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>>1265685
anon, even without missions you can PU any nation in the game in the current patch. Here is Ming as a junior partner of Portugal.
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>>1265710
I don't mind someone manipulating the game I just think pressing a single button in a tree and getting a "restoration of pu" cb over multiple countries early in the game is too free.
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>>1265710
How? Force relative on Throne?
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can i still get chievos with cream api?
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How do i get money as Norway? The moment i get independence i just start bleeding money.
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>>1265799
delete your forts and eat your neighbors
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>>1265783
yes
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>defensive war against big neighbour
>actually holding my own, beating them when they seige mountain forts etc.
>retarded vassals randomly send their shitty 5k stacks into enemy territory, take a couple of provinces then get wiped. Repeat. Repeat.
>war score -50%

I've had it with this shit. I'm savescumming and releasing the vassals, they're just not worth it. And in future I just won't bother with the diplo annex route at all.
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>>1265463
Nippon is fine. Route through the Phillipines to Hawaii and into Nippon. The real pain is taking korea to maximise the home node because even a single rock will make them seethe for centuries.
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>>1265965
you do not get -50 warscore from a few 5k stacks haha
set vassal AI to hang around in their own territory or defend allied territory. alternatively make them a scutum.
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>>1265965
Wish it was like tribal vassals in CK2 where they’re chained to your armies.
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>>1265965
vassal interface > behaviour > set to passive
But yes AI behaviour, especially friendly AI, is fucking dogshit.
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>>1266035
>playing nippon and not going full greater east asian co prosperity sphere
you'll make a hundred times as much money from trade as you would from your meme california
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>>1266218
I think perhaps you reply to the wrong person.
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>look at me
>i'm the ukraine now
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>>1266319
very nice very nice good work
Is there still a cossack estate??
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>>1266327
Why wouldn't there be? It's a shame that Poland is the only tag that could justify recruiting cossack regiments but now they have unique winged hussars instead.
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I read in a few places that if you offer the AI a peace deal when you have over 50% war score, and they refuse, they get a stability drop. Is this still the case? I'm trying but not seeing anything.
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>>1266433
I don't think you can stab hit an AI.
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>>1265781
That was a thing when Leviathon came out, but no, the pic in the post you are replying to was from a different thread where a player force vassalized a collapsed Ming, made them convert to Catholic, fed them back all of China, put his dynasty on his throne, broke vassalage then claimed throne, truce broke and PU'd them.
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>>1266433
that's only for players
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Is random new world worth it?
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>>1266492
if you don't care about cheevos and want some variety, sure
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>>1266459

Okay but can you explain what the fuck happened from Ming's perspective, as it would have occurred in real life and not a video game?
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I hated every single second of this
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>>1266643
>doesn't control the entire black sea coast
Weak
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>>1266680
If I wanted to continue that would have been the next thing I did, my truce was up with ottos. Sadly the "bait them onto mountain forts with ramparts and defensive ideas and meat grinder them" strategy is not good for getting 99% warscore, more like 30% and gtfo
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>boots up EU4 on laptop
>cracks knuckles
Okay, time for kino, boys.
>selects the Ottomans
>parks entire armies on mountain forts without cannons
>culture shifts everything without accepting any
>collects in every trade node
>0% crownland
>raises autonomy to make problems go away
>builds tax buildings only
>avoids Syria, snakes through the Caucasus and up north into Turkestan
>order Dominoe's pizza, custom build a generic pepperoni instead of trusting the preset
And I'm just getting started
>start coffee maker at 11 pm
>filter folds in on itself so the coffee just spills around it and seeps down as transparent tar water
>drink it anyway
>console command away AE
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>Austria blob and bordergore in germany
>Russia blob and bordergore in Persia and India
Is this normal for eu4 or did it happen 'cause I use less than half of the dlc?
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>>1267556
blobstria will blob all over europe if they get going but I have never once seen Russia make it to India
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>gets a bunch of buffs and free mana to stomp poland at the start
>vassalizes livonia immediately for free
>FOUR branching mission trees
>HRE emperor mission tree
>dismantle mission tree
>blob into eastern europe mission tree
>holy fucking horde mission tree
>gets a +10% gov cap modifier and +20% manpower modifier as prussia that brandenburg doesn't
forget sweden, this is the true dev favored tag
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>>1267946
I love stomping out the revolt before it can even start by seizing land
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>>1267946
I recently started playing again for the first time since Emperor's release, and I know at least two friends who have showed interest in doing the same. I'm absolutely gonna recommend TO to them. It's been so good for getting me used to the game again.
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>>1267960
If you don't mind two games in the same part of the world in a row you should play LO too, they get their own crusader path with militarization theocracy without a gov capacity penalty or a great secularization path with a government reform mission with 15 outcomes.
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>>1267978
LO was my absolute favorite before, but I'm saving it for when I have a bit more free time so I can finally do a WC with it. The flavor and new mechanics definitely look great.
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Did they fix being able to take pairs of provinces in a peace deal even if they weren't connected to your land? Doing it as LO back in the day was impractical but funny.
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>>1267987
you can't select a province that you can't core
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Does anyone else like watching multiplayer death wars on Youtube?

>players spending thousands of ducats, killing a million men, and truce-breaking each other for a single province in the Balkans

Kino.
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>didn't pay attention to my aggressive expansion and an enormous HRE coalition formed against me and absolutely obliterated my alliance
My bad, Austria
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>be malayablob
>dicking around after 1821
>just reverted Mamluks to monarchy
>fattened up the Golden Horde with Persian lands
>occupied most of Sardinia-Piedmont and their vassals Naples/France
>they were the muscle in Geneva's coalition against Rev. Westphalia, which got away with its earlier shit plus taking more in the punitive war
>conquered final free African countries to make tributary neocolonial shithole republics in Kongo, Rwanda and Zimbabwe
>made Mamluks release Medina and Najd to get some more desert tributaries
>not 3 months later Najd spergs out and attacks my other trib Dawasir, who has more men
>Dawasir takes 2 provinces and makes Najd give 2 bedouin provinces back to Mamluks
>it hadn't even started coring them yet

>British Mexico (which doesn't accept English culture) declares independence and calls me in
>figured SP would sit this one out because of debt, but they just deleted their Burgundian forts, making occupation even easier
>sunk their navy last war and bulk of their remaining army still stuck in Corsica
>Prussia attacks Hamburg, once again the North-German gets away with it
>sink some Brits, get ready to cross channel and take London (lv 2 fort lol)
>only using part of my army, saving rest to trucebreak on Deccan for giggles
>"Chile has declared war on [Colombian colony]"
>enforce peace, fails, get into war against Chile, Brazil, Colombia, Florida and USA
>in my retardation forgot to build forts in my colonies, at least I left mercs there
time to really flex the navy, boys
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>WE
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>>1268290
map related
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>>1268560
Christian Kongo is insanely OP.
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>>1268593
I stayed Fetishist, losing papal blessings and the cardinal sucks but the permanent modifier from missions is better for fetishist and fetishist itself is pretty good.
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>>1268598
Did you manage to get all the cults, even the Malagasy ones?
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>>1268601
I got the 9 fetishist+christian+islam+two quick imperialism white peace wars for dharmic and eastern after I was done. The malagasy ones aren't hard to get, you can nonstop chain wars to unite the congo and when you're done you get siberian frontiers to mutapa. Sadly, Kilwa beat me to Mutapa but Kilwa never has any good allies so I was able to take Mutapa and start eating the coast. Kilwa did full annex Madagascar before I could get there but I was able to take provinces from them that were still fetishist in the second war with them, release vassal, and then break vassalage later and attack for the cults.
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Why is late game so fucking trash and how do we fix it?
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>>1268614
Because by the time late game rolls around you've already accomplished your ideal border/cheevo/#1 GP/whatever. Revolution vs counter revolution mechanics are shallow and awful, and they nerfed being revolutionary to the point of it being unplayable for no reason.
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>>1268614
>>1268629

There needs to be a whole layer of mechanics that come into play for when you stop expanding. Like making prestige harder to get and the penalties worse as you get larger, to simulate the fact that adding a few extra provinces to an already massive empire no longer wows rebellious vassals into submitting, so the game becomes about doing dumb bullshit just to maintain face, including fighting farsical wars for easy propaganda.
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>>1268635
Yeah, CK2 was better about this since arguably the biggest threat once you got big enough was unrest within your own realm rather than getting invaded by another.
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>>1268660
Unless you were roleplaying as an asshole, usurped the throne, or went heretic it was extremely easy to keep your vassals happy in CK2, even in HIP. Being a small heretic/heathen country in a sea of people who wanted to kill you was much more difficult. If you played long enough for the Mongols to come they could also fuck you up if you were Russia or something.
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>>1268614
Because min-maxers don't really understand that they should be roleplaying instead of cheesing the game, same with CK2.
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this is fine
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>>1268614
Manpower needs to be gutted and tied a lot harder to provinces of accepted culture which should also become a lot harder to accept. No more recruiting generals into slacking to generate manpower from thin air.
Possibly new conditions need to be introduced for cultural acceptance, for example that you need to control more than a certain % of a specific culture's provinces for 100 years until the culture becomes eligible as accepted.
Changing province culture should reduce dev, punish culture swapping shenanigans somehow.
Divide the number of soldiers by 10 or at least 5, so a regular 1000 stack of infantry becomes 100/500 to reduce the number bloat would also be cool.
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>>1220173
How do you have fun in this game? I always get burnt out by the time I hit the 16th century
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>>1268990

I would add that there needs to be better consequences for mismanagement than rebel whack-a-mole. It's a stupid buzzkill that doesn't have any consequences 99% of the time. Perhaps make rebels much easier to ward off by stationing troops to reduce unrest, but make it way more of a problem when they do spawn, maybe have it so enemy nations can interfere and support them. That way you're not having to micromanage killing them but the possibiiity that they could spawn becomes a balancing act that siphons of resources that could otherwise be invested elsewhere. Like if you have a large multinational Mughal empire, they might have 200k troops, but only 30k can effectively be deployed for an invasion before internal problems start to appear. Of course that just invites the AI to screw up and nation ruin itself, but alas.
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>>1262810
Played as Ottomans, Castile, Muscowy but I always got fucked in some way. My last run on Muscowy was attacking Lithuania cause they weren't in PU with Poland nor allied. For some reason despite having 0 AE, entire europe joined in. Maybe it's because I called in Ottomans into war and they had coalition formed against them? Didn't even know what's a thing but still it fucked my run.
>>1262823
Shame there's always some big guy who gets in your way so you'll have to tackle him eventually while you have no big allies around willing to join. It's not that easy as you paint it to be.
>>1263278
Depends what you mean by early game? I don't think I fuck up. I just conquer what I can if it's possible and wait for AE to drop.
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>>1268990
>>1269009
Pretty funny how they dropped imperator, yet its systems would fit the bill here pretty well.
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>>1266537
Taiping rebellion but centuries earlier in warlord era China with backing from the Portuguese that lead to a royal succession after Catholic Neo-Ming dynastic triumph in reclaiming the mandate of heaven under the dominion of Christian rule with Chinese Characteristics.

Realistically, the resulting union would probably be led by Ming in practice even if it's by Portugal in theory, the Portuguese royal family would probably just move to Beijing and eventually become Hapas. Similar to how the PLC was Polish led in practice despite it being ruled over by a Lithuanian dynasty.
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Map games unironically keep me from ending it all. You lose that sense of individuality and all your shitty problems feel insignificant in the grand scheme of history. Ever since my pc broke down, I've become increasingly more aware and sensitive with all the bad things going on around me. Without mappies to numb it down, I'm starting to feel so overwhelmed lately. Anyone else feel this way?
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>>1269057
Imperator would be better than EU4 at this point if they hadn't dropped it. It's almost good even now.
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>>1269214
I'm having massive setbacks in my PhD but yesterday I got some momentary feeling of accomplishment by beating an AI script at a map painting game.
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>>1268704
What is there to roleplay with? No seriously? The mechanics for it outside of expansion are rather shallow. It's fun to imagine a few things here and there. I once imagined that my Japanese explorers had enjoyed some good trade with the Norwegians they met in South America. But there really isn't much to the game other than a bunch of colors with stats that vaguely represent early modern polities. Just accept it as a blobfest and go play HPM, M&T or CK2 if you want Historical Accuracy/Roleplay TM.

>>1268614
The AI learned how to manage an economy and stack manpower. So now instead of a 3000 dev Ottomans that takes four wars and fifty years to kill after they death spiral in the second war, you have them at 2000 regularly take hegemony with over one mirrion troops unless you kill them outright. I've more or less have given up trying to do anything crazy in my Kandy game since I spent the first twenty-five years trying to fix everything from the massive stab hit on independence as well as crappy rulers for the first century. Got the cheevo tho.

>>1269009
Rebel support is the most useless mechanic in the entire game, and that's beating out most of the other spying actions and Maritime/Naval. It's literally throwing at least 100+ ducats at a group of rebels that might get angry enough to rebel. 99% of the time when they actually do, they get curbstomped unless you declare war. 1% of the time, the nation was already in a death spiral (though I haven't seen too many in quite a few patches, I'm still on 1.33 since I'm poor and can't give PDX $15 for the Norse Horde LARP DLC.) and you wasted your money anyway.

>>1269288
EU5 with IR mechanics would be really nice. Haven't played since launch tho. Are all the improvements tied behind DLC?
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Speaking of Prussia, anyone tried out the unique republic they get? I'm debating taking the reform before I switch from the teutonic order.
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>>1269471
Republican Prussia is the worst one, go with monarchy or theocracy.
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Why is debt management so fun? Should I make late game fun by taking max loans and spending them?
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>running out of cheevos to do that aren't either time consuming or obnoxious
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>rival gets another ally the same day I am declaring war to it
Uh, whatever
>that ally gets pud by another nation after a month
Ok, now the RNG is just fucking with me.
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>>1269347
>Are all the improvements tied behind DLC?
I don't know because I didn't play on launch. Even with all the dlc plus the invictus mod it still has kind of a barebones feeling.
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What's the best way to break an Ottoblob?
Just keep forcing them to release nations? Or should I try to drive them into bankruptcy.
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>>1269563
Does the AI ever declare bankruptcy? Taking their highest dev provinces is the best way. You're going to end up with incredibly fugly borders until they're totally gone but the biggest mistake people make trying to break the ottos late is spending their hard won 100% warscore on useless desert or balkan land.
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>>1269563
Trucebreak them a few times.
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>>1246482
once I thought "I always blob like a retard trying to wc, this time im gonna play a chill portugal colonization game, not a single war in the old world"

legit the most boring campaign ive done, literally nothing to do for hours
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>be Westphalia
>declare war on a OPM in the HRE
>they call in their ally Great Britain
>I call in my ally Denmark
>fully occupy my target in the first month of the war
>do nothing and watch Denmark and Great Britain fight a five year colonial war in North America
>my ally Brandenburg somehow sneaks in 9k troops to England and stands on London, giving me an opportunity to white peace Britain and end the war

Put that on the list of stupidest wars (but it all went according to keikaku)
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>>1243288
I royal married them at the start of the playthrough for help beating Aragon, it's just luck and having France as an ally that let me PU them later
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>>1269824

Westphalia cont'd.

>can't join the Protestant League because I'm allied with Austria in a war against France
>forget to join after the war
>League War starts without me
>Austria is fucked on all sides, has to fight Spain, France, the Ottomans, and half the HRE
>they try calling me in (lol) and I refuse because I wanted to join the Protestants in the first place
>realize this is my chance to dismantle the HRE
>co-belligerent a bunch of nations to get everything set up, everything goes smoothly until I get to Wien
>Ottomans have occupied half of Austria including Wien
>me holding a bunch of provinces keeps the League from getting enough warscore to end the war, but them not ending the war means I can't capture Vienna and bail with what I want
>300k Protestant death stack just stands on Paris doing nothing and dying of attrition
>say fuck it
>declare a humiliation war on the Ottomans and capture Vienna from them
>dismantle the HRE, take a one province Bohemia as a vassal and bail from that war
>going on to sack Constantinople and go home with thousands of ducats
>go from duchy to empire immediately
>League War ends, Protestantism is now the official religion of the (extinct) HRE
>everyone but me died for no reason

Man that went surprisingly well
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This was pretty fun, the mad dash ones are the best.
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>play as Bulgaria in Ante Bellum mod
>get to 1500, conquer a bunch of shit
>realize there never was a challenge
>realize I'm the Ottomans of this timeline
>recoil in shock and disgust
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>obtain gold mine early
>game becomes fun
it just works
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>have massive coalition
>have truce with a target for expansion
>plan to declare war on day one after the truce before they can join the coalition
>bungle it
>they join the coalition
>become infuriated
>declare war on them and the coalition purely to punish them for joining said coalition

Now you burn, Bavaria.
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I'm only 1 military tech behind my neigbour, but they're still beating the shit out of me when I outnumber them 2 to 1. I was one tech ahead of them in the last war and I don't remember beating them so easily.
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The Gotland and TO changes are super good for Austria, damn.
>Gotland's ruler is 62 with no heir and is a prime PU target
>if they fabricate any claims on Denmark then they get free cores
>if you ally TO and get them to 100 then you get them in the HRE + 20 IA
>TO constantly allies Denmark so you can make them spit out Danzig while you beat up Denmark, stopping the confederation event from ever firing
>Gotland has a fleet that constantly baits Denmark's so you can easily land troops in Sjaelland
The only annoying thing is the lack of relation slots early on and I'm about to drop Saxony and the Palatinate anyway.
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>>1270594
Vgh, AEIOV...home...
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>>1270593
Not all techs are equal, e.g., tech 6 has huge upgrades and tech 12 has guns. If you're fighting a different tech group they might also have gotten upgraded troops at that level.
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This is my first time forming Germany, thus ending my Hesse => Westphalia => Germany campaign. I've thrashed all of my neighbors many, many times and have 3000 dev. Game over.
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I tried
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>>1270792

For context, I released Wales to play as them without nation-ruining England. I got France (with Burgundy), Denmark, and some Irish minors to support my independence. Fired off the independence war and we overran England's allies of Aragorn and Portugal. Then two horrible things happened: Muscovy attacked my ally Denmark and Austria attacked France. Without either of my allies I had to separate peace each enemy for war reps and hope things would be better in the next war. I had tons of ducats to build up and prepare for round 2, but all my allies went into debt spirals and weren't going to join me for another war against England. I couldn't see any viable path for expansion except for colonial, so I said fuck it and tried overruning England with mercs. I beat their armies but couldn't stack wipe. London's garrison was weak so I could have assaulted it if I had enough time to breach the walls. Then the Portuguese and Aragonese arrived. I attacked a 10k English stack to try and stop it from linking up, but 10k Aragonese intervened and effectively ended the playthrough. At least it peaked with a heroic but doomed march on London with 20k troops.
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Serbia is the only "play as this shit minor and kill the ottos" tag I have left
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>>1270796

I think they have a good start. Kosovo is free gold and Bosnia is easy to conquer. Hungary can either be your ally or be land to gobble up while waiting for a chance to attack the Ottomans.
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>>1270801
My concern is the AE from eating all of that Catholic land is going to make allying Austria and Poland impossible.
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>want to try a non European nation for fun
>pick ethiopia
>conquer/absorb coptic neighbours, do a bit of colonization in south africa, take over horn of africa
>about 1600 start falling behind in tech because institutions aren't spreading to me
>all neighbours are muslim therefore hate me, no possibility of alliances
>European nations don't want alliances either
>get buttraped by kebab armies

I'm not having a fun game lads.
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>>1271102
if you got cape, rush spice islands
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>>1271102
Gotta dev up provinces to get institutions you don't spawn outside Europe. Costs a lot of mana but it's what you need to do.
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>>1271113
How will that help? The problem is massive armies of Muslims 2 tech groups ahead of me are already bashing me in. Presumably this is game ending now because I don't see how I can catch up in tech while simultaneously holding them off. I have one colonist, so going for some islands is going to take decades to give me any payoff.
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What's a good cunt to play if you just want to colonize and develop but be left alone? First thought is Portugal but there must be others.
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>>1271132
England and then Thirteen Colonies. If you carry on as England you can just colonise away but you will not be leaving other people alone.
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>Wherever I am, I must also truce break.
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>>1271132
Unironically Ternate
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>>1271125
Please read the wiki page on institutions so you learn about force-spawning them. If you're playing outside of western europe it's basically required for renaissance, colonialism, and printing press.
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>>1271320
>colonialism
You can theoretically spawn this in east asia if you plan carefully and savescum.
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>>1271325
This is true but it's really just a giant meme since Portugal and Castille will get Colonialism almost instantly anyway from having colonial nations. It's kind of fun to have japanese alaska and california but unless you roll a ton of gold mines it's not worth it, spend your mana and idea group slots elsewhere.
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>>1271331
I think it's probably worth it just for the 300 mana and not having to dev for the institution. As Japan you don't even have to take exploration as your first idea group to get an active colony in Alaska by 1500. Then you can just abandon the idea group or switch to colonizing SEA
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Devving for institutions is almost always recommended. If you optimize your power gains by having >50 power projection, promoting discounted advisers, doing show strength wars, taking the estate privileges, and disinheriting heirs with less than 9 cumulative points, then you'll reach a point where expansion and ideas aren't enough to use up all your power. Since you'll be devving in the end anyways, being proactive to get an institution is definitely recommended. It's much less painful if you stack dev cost debuffs from your religion, burgher loyalty, state edicts, prosperity, targeting capital and farmland provinces, and upgrading centers of trade. You can save military power and only invest admin and diplo points if you want and they buff your eco anyways with the investment. Every new institution, dev the same province again or one neighboring it, because institutions spread faster across high dev provinces, so a dense core of development in your country makes it Easy to grab the institution ASAP. Once you have it you can try selling it through share knowledge to other countries. They'll get it anyways just by neighboring you but selling it makes up for some of the inefficiency of over-developing your cities.
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>>1271351
>mfw spawning renaissance on a gold mine
Literally the only situation where you wouldn't be force spawning the first 3 institutions is the previously mentioned colonial Japan birding for colonialism. If you're playing in the ROTW and aren't force spawning renaissance, colonialism, and printing press you're going to end up like this guy >>1271125 losing to the fucking Mamluks in the 17th century.
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>mfw I spawn an institution in a province neighboring the capital so it'll spread over with less inefficiency from over-developing, but I end up making it better than the capital and now my royal city is humbled by a fucking suburb
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>>1220173
is it worth guaranteeing a weak nation next to an expansion nation if you know they're gonna attack them? I did that cause I got the notification but not being the war leader sucks since you cant peace them out early without pissing off the guarantee.
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>>1220173
how do I handle all the inflation from gold mines anons
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>>1271443
The only reason to do it is if you want to reset your truce with the enemy tag.
>>1271445
Master of the mint advisor and use your gold money to expand so the gold income is a lower percentage of your total income. Econ ideas have another 0.1% reduction, catholics can get another 0.1% from the pope.



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