So you spend hours managing the autistic bloat of this mod, only for the world to almost always end in a nuclear war that you can't avoid? Shit waste of time
>>1183671No? Mod always ends with Italy joining ofn and usa occupying most of the world
>>1183671Jannies deleted like three consecutive threads of this shit. Just stop flodding /vst/ with TNO. Use fucking modding thread
>>1183671>>1183757Use Custom Country Paths
>>1183671enough with these lazy ass tno threads. kill yourself faggot op
It's over tnobros...
>>1184814Personally I like changes of West Siberia, South Ural and Far East, but other regions are extremely retarded
>>1184814Where the fuck did you even got this from?This looks less like a leak and more super early beta because of the font
>>1184814Is dirlewanger dead for reals now?
>>1184836another drama between devs caused another leak to russian community about their plans for Russia link (use translator): Retarded 4chan thinks that I'm spamming so no link yet
>>1184864Fuck 4chan rules. Found this leak by yourself on VK page
forgot the pic lol
>>1184840no, just not in middle of nowhere in RussiaI bet devs still don't know what they do with him
>>1184868Russians like and play TNO?
>>1184814I kinda like it actually.Far East looks better. Presidium is Yagoda+Sablin before they start killing each other, FER/Yakutia looks like going to be democratic non-collaborator option, Harbinites should have been in similar position Yagoda+Sablin are now but otherwise they are fine. Really not sure how they are going to handle Man and Kamchatka. Man was always unfun to play as and play against due to the way he works and if Kamchatka is unifier right now it is good since the Far East didn't have military option.Idk why Congress, Norilsk, Glavse and Vorkuta are even a thing now since they made other places that can't support human life or functional state uninhabitable.Rest of regions looks mostly reshuffled with few added extra like Trotskyists in Siberia. Shame that war with Sphere in Mongolia is no longer a thing. It had potential.>>1184840>>1184869I hope he is now in Africa. Having him exiled to work under Huttig would make sense and he could be general and post-Huttig warlord. I just hope some devs learn to have fun and make post-Huttig Africa closer to post-Taboritsky Russia.
>>1184882Of course, TNO still one of most popular mods for HoI4But majority of russian (CIS) players play only as russian warlords, Germany and African countries (except Südwestafrika, it's boring).
>>1184814>green warlords can unite RussiaFull content for Southern Ural yay
>>1184882Everyone would like to conquer the entirety of Russia as their home city/bring their dream guy to the throne, so there's a demand for it. It's somewhat leaking out of the HOI4-sphere as well.
>>1184901>It's somewhat leaking out of the HOI4-sphere as well.True. Same as with Kaiserreich.Modern russian nationalist "movement" born as Savinkov larp
>>1184900>A.U.A.E.S or All-Union Academy of Experimental Sciences.>Reworked Lysenko's Magnitogorsk away from a comic book villain to a more real and scary prototype. The All-Union Academy is a network of 4 institutes under the leadership of Laboratory-X and associated employees and units of the NKVD. Scientists in the state interact with each other for the further survival and restoration of the Union on the remnants of Russia.>1) Laboratory X - the most important and main institute, also known as the All-Union Institute of Experimental Medicine, headed by the new head of all institutes - Grigory Mairanovsky. Its main specification, as is already clear, is medicine and poisons. The Institute does not shy away from any methods, if they give a positive result. Because of this, experiments on people are not uncommon, but rather commonplace.>2) All-Union Academy of Agricultural Sciences of Lenin. One of the two institutions responsible for the "Earth" project. Specializes in agriculture, as well as in the vaccination of animals and more. Takes part in the development of poisons.>3) The Institute of Genetics of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR, headed by the notorious T. Lysenko, who is now a typical Stalinist with a couple of funny ideas in agriculture. Not interested in testing poison on humans and keeps some distance from the other three academies. The second of the institutions involved in the "Earth" initiative.>4) The Red Star Institute of the NKVD, headed by Pavel Sudoplatov, is de facto the police, the KGB and the army of Magnitogorsk in one bottle. Sudoplatov himself is interested in the centralization and unification of institutions under his wing. He sees Mairanovsky as a future burden, although, of course, he coordinates his actions with him. In the future, he is ready to kill the current head of state, if necessary. The most autonomous institution of all.Supposedly with unique way of conquering nearby warlords.
>>1184868> regions now have narratives other than "uhhhhhh my specific ideology good"> German bombardments toned down> Onega now can unify Russia, is doing the whole Finland alliance thing voluntarily> Aryan Brotherhood can now cause massive prisoner uprisings across Russia, new path added for occultism without schizonazism> ZMAP is reworked Vologda, arranges diplomacy throughout Western Russia > St. George thing is still not decided yet, but for now it's a unifier with multiple paths> Magnitogorsk is now controlled by Sudoplatov, a confederation of several academies> Dirlewanger is out of Russia, replaced by the Russian National Legion that is an extremely hard-to-play unifier> Ural League is mostly the same, but can somehow be a unifier> Orenburg is now a fail-bandit-state that will cause massive upheaval across Russia to ensure its survival if it unifies Ural> Stalin ruled West Siberia till '58> Ural Socialist District is peak Brezhnevism condensed in a state, corruption and bloat + military issues, still a unifier> Free Aviators intact> KHRUSCHEV IS OUT in Tyumen, now the state can be controlled by Bulganin, Yezhov and Kaganovich> Omsk is facelifted, out-of-place violence/oppression toned down, gets an enclave ruled by a sadistic NKVD dude> The entire region is now a big proxy war between Sverdlovsk, Omsk and Tyumen before shit goes down> Tomsk has seven paths, one of them including Mayakovsky, also can go fascist > Novosibirsk is now led by Yeltsin, less corporations and more 90's Russia> Yeltsin stays no matter what party gets in power> Kemerovo is now an NKVD masquerade, led by Golenovsky, Krylovs stay > Anarchists are now remade to be comfortable with reality (become a dictatorship or plunge into even more chaos)> Novokuznetsk is now a state, a corrupt dictatorship with no redeeming qualities that can be a unifier> The Old Believers and natives are sent to Norilsk, they don't like itcont.
>>1184914> The actual city of Kemerovo is now a non-playable state that can be used as a proxy> Labor protests are now weaponized by the anarchists, but the rest of the mechanic is cut> The region is majorly in a proxy war between Tomsk, Novosibirsk and Yagoda's expeditionary retard squad sent to reclaim the evacuated industrial assets> The region is largely suspect to spying> Far East is largely unchanged, main goal is largely facelifts> Sablin's uprising occurs like five-six months after the start, is more grim and realistic> Chita facelifted> Amur facelifted, will interact with Manchuria when content for Manchuria releases> Magadan facelifted, WerBell will have not only MGS references, but his own beliefs integrated as well, will now be not player-only> "Far Eastern Republic" is a former Soviet admin gone to CIA, not playable, can be sponsored by US or Japan and it determines the republic's course, also can be the middle ground between the non-Yagoda states> THE FATHER IS FUCKING GONE, the devs had no idea what to do with him> *this shit was before the Russia team lead got booted lol*> so now> people don't know if Zlatoust will be back, may become a unifier> Partisans in Surgut will become a Russian Arctic naval company > the Old Believers are still there, but Norilsk is now an economic development zone> the Far Eastern Republic will now be annexed by either Sablin or Yagoda because the Asia team didn't want to have > Yakutia is still here> Aviators will become a part of SverdlovskFor most of the things present now the rework is a straight upgrade (except for Novosibirsk which is a straight downgrade lel, they should have just left it alone because no one in their right mind would actually want to play as a recreation of 90's Yeltsinist Russia after Shukshin and Pokryskhin), so I'm pretty optimistic on this. The current MemeReich is still better than Panzer's deafening retardation in any case.
>>1184917"the Asia team didn't want to have" CIA shits near their territory, fuck.
>>1184917agree, current Novosibirsk are great
>>1184914>>1184917I agree. And loss of old Novosibirsk is really massive downgrade. I hope they rethink their plans on this. Or give them as an option to coup Yeltsin.It is also hilarious that they are adding another massive economical mechanics on top of TT's one for Tyumen. Ability to match Japan, USA and Germany if player does it right is sounds fun though.It also feels like Magnitogorsk should have had Zhdanov and Ultravisionaries relocated there as a possible path. This way you could have all Soviet Super Science projects localized in one unifier. So all Mechanical (Space, OGAS, Nuclear etc), Biological (Biological warfare, genetic engineering etc) and Social (Noosphere, Social Experiments, Psionic etc) projects are in one place and depending on which Academy wins the power struggle that enables specific projects from each brunch.
I see they're trying to make it more realistic ever since Panzer left, but is this what made the mod exceptional in the first place?
>>1184914>Tomsk has seven paths, one of them including Mayakovsky,MAYAKOVSKY MAYAKOVSKYYYYYYYYYYY
>>1184914>>Aryan Brotherhood can now cause massive prisoner uprisings across Russia, new path added for occultism without schizonazismI'm gonna miss schizo nazism>>Dirlewanger is out of Russia, replaced by the Russian National Legion that is an extremely hard-to-play unifierwhere did my boi go?>>KHRUSCHEV IS OUT in Tyumen, now the state can be controlled by Bulganin, Yezhov and Kaganovichwhat the fuck funni corn man is gone? and fucking purge man Yezhov come in?>>Omsk is facelifted, out-of-place violence/oppression toned down, gets an enclave ruled by a sadistic NKVD dudethey are toning down the iconic RU unifer? why would they do that and also who tf is sadistic NKVD dude?>>Tomsk has seven paths, one of them including Mayakovsky, also can go fascistyou mean Mayakovsky from red flood? why is he here? russian futurist is dead. I don't think he would have enough power to become >>Novosibirsk is now led by Yeltsin, less corporations and more 90's Russia>>Yeltsin stays no matter what party gets in powerthey are going to get rid of 4 unique democrats? awwww
>>1185010>>what the fuck funni corn man is gone? and fucking purge man Yezhov come in?>Kaganovich - rapid collectivization and rigid state planning, Yezhov - the development of the cult of personality and the NKVD, and Bulganin - the personification of the late Stalinist malaise and apathy.Bulganin seems pointless and Yezhov looks like Stalinist Burgundy path.>they are toning down the iconic RU unifer?Supposedly they are still Ultranats and anti-german militarists but closer to current Tukhachevsky and less self-destructive about their methods.>who tf is sadistic NKVD dude?Konstantin Pastanogov. He currently appears if Omsk collapses at regional stage,>>I don't think he would have enough power to become >Daniil Kharms is the current head of the republic. Represents poetry, with all its personal freedom, elitism and anti-Sovietism.>Alexander Yesenin-Volpin - represents mathematics, cybernetics, ideal control, technocracy and efficiency.>Dmitry Likhachev - represents history, the search for meaning in the old, reliance on the past, stability.>Alexander Zinoviev - represents constant doubts. Elite protest movements, stay in power as long as necessary, movement in change, fickleness.>Georgy Teslavsky is an ardent Wrangelite. Represents government empowerment, emigre, intellectual fascism, the veneration of the White Army, the use of existing democratic structures to destroy that same democracy.>Dmitri Shostakovich - representing the Soviet cultural elite who condemned only Yagoda's rule, not Marxism itself - is also a mouthpiece for music.>Vladimir Mayakovsky - represents the avant-gardism that appears in the game if the voice of the people is not heard. He believes that the capitalists will surely reap what they have sown.Feels like the intent that if somebody else fuck up managing the country he takes over on the wave of populism.
>>1184917>> THE FATHER IS FUCKING GONE, the devs had no idea what to do with himThe fuck, he was one of the coolest unifiers. What is there "to do" with him anyways? Just leave it be.
>>1184914Some of this actually sounds interesting like new Tomsk stuff, it’s a shame that TNO team isn’t competent enough to get shit out the door. Plus I don’t get the sudden obsession with making NKVD states out of Magnitogorsk and Kemerovo as well as Irkutsk
>>1184906>>1184914>>1184917Sweet mother of soulless. It's a good thing this is fake as fuck because all of these suck.
>>1185419It might be real, Sverdlovsk matches the name change from the leaked dev build and it would explain why they don’t have a focus tree in it.
>>1185441Every update only reinforces my belief that panzer leaving was the worst thing to happen to this mod
>>1184917>>Labor protests are now weaponized by the anarchistsPure kino. Shame that HOI4's mechanics are really bad at simulating guerilla warfare, but this is a nice workaround.
>>1185494Ironic, people hated him while he was in charge
>>1185709You don't know what you've got until you've lost it.
>>1184818>>1184836>>1184840>>1184900This is fake, troll btw
>>1184914>Aryan Brotherhood can now cause massive prisoner uprisings across Russia, new path added for occultism without schizonazismThis is how you can tell this is fake.The Aryan Brotherhood are being reworked, but the rework is to get rid of Wagner and Hypoborea and replace them with what actually Russian Nazis believed.
>>1185031You know they are supposed to work on more content for all these unifiers for TNO2 right? I feel like you motherfuckers don't give them enough credit.
This MOD is so fucking deadIs a real life Penelope's web just is turning worst every fucking timePls someone make a Redux
>>1185837>replace them with what actually Russian Nazis believedThere's already a tag for that, it's called "Amur"
>>1183757That's just the Historical Determinism, it's a feature.
>>1185837> get rid of insane Nazi LARP, one of the cornerstones of Russian Nazism> remove Hyperborea, one of the cornerstones of Russia's neopaganism which is heavily peddled by Russian Nazis> replace them with "what actually Russian Nazis believed"> aka TNO's Taboritsky, who is already here and is an extreme version of 1980's Russia's neo-Black Hundred movements
>>1185854real tno-reduxism has never been tried! 9th times the charm!
I want to play Hart and make based America
>>1185862I know, and It's hillarious when you think about it. Just read what panzer has wrote>The trope that TNO most subscribes to, I think, is Earn Your Happy Ending. There are good points in TNO and almost all nations in TNO have a good ending that can be seen (at least from our liberal western point of view) as a good series of events to be celebrated, even if (like all history and such) they have tinges of grey and black that might make you question some of the steps along the way. However almost all these paths will not just be given to you, it's up to the player to work hard to earn them, often for little reward besides the knowledge that they have actually done good. That's one of the ultimate parts of TNO. To do good, you will need to work to do it. The world might be fucked, but are you really going to just stoop down to its level and revel in it?He thought he was writing about democracy, but in reality he was talking about George Wallace, despotist Franco and dengist Speer.
>>1184906That's pretty cool, I always disliked the Fallout New Vegas meme
>>1184840Realistically, there's no way a guy in a penal battalion would have any position of power afterwards, much less someone as internally hated as Dirlewanger. He probably would have just been thrown back into prison to rot. Fun fact: Dirlewanger was a polsci major, and earmed a doctorate for it at Goethe University Frankfurt. While his degree was revoked after he was arrested for rape, it was later reinstated once the Nazis took power.
>>1185954This quote, just now, finally convinced me of what someone said in a past thread, that panzer LOVES the evil shit and mindless massacre and murder events. The "or you can revel it it haha ;)" at the end seals it for me.
>>1186026Well yeah, he's a former stormfag. I think the comical evilness of it all and the "lol deradicalization tool" was a cover.His CK3 mod features a vaguely Germanic civilization literally ethnically replacing a Greek one.
>>1184814Any Ainu in this mod?
>>1184917>Any word on Samara, on Vyatka, and on Komi? Komi is that one tranny's beloved pet project, so I wonder if he wants it as is or is compelled to keep tinkering with it.
>>1186044The Kuril islands have the Ainu culture
>play as speer>oil crisis immediately BTFOs any progress
>>1186101That's the point. Speer's economic liberalization is a double-edged sword.
>>1186101>play as speer>slave revolt loads new tree>can't ever reform wehrmacht
>>1186177You should do the domestic policy tree first, (eastern RK, slavery, etc.), then do the megacorp tree, do the military tree in between the dismantlement, then do the foreign policy trees if you have the time. Also, in the starting tree, don't bother with South Africa at all, unless you're going for absolute maximum Pakt.
>>1186101If you get used to TNO meme echonomic mechanics you can control it, but my first Speer run got wrecked pretty hard by the oil crisis>>1186177You have to win the war by August at max to do all the focus
>>1185862>>1185954I hate that deterministic mindset Panzer had and I'm glad nuTNO is going away with it
OH NO HE'S BACK
>>1186775Unless they are using him to add another secret path to Komi like monarcho-socialist Anastasia Romanova as "reverse Taboritsky" Mladorossi will be extremely pointless at this point since Kemerevo and Solidarist Vyatka already occupy the niche.
>>1186793They do occupy that Niche already however with the changes to the political alignment in that country a new fascist branch has to be conjured up so they are going to free at him to the game so there can be a fascist tree. Before you start complaining about how they're already is a fascist tree, the old fascist tree is staying but it's being rebranded because it's hardly fascist.
>>1186880I actually think Shafarevich was a fascinating unifier and one of the most interesting possible fascists in TNO.He had ruralism and yeomanism so popular among modern day western quasi-fascists self labeled and not, he had strong pro-church position which is also common for such types and he had codified in laws racial discrimination which was mostly used to force specific ethnic groups to form voting blocks and maintain social status quo. He was also the most sane and sensible among right Komi both politically and personally.
>>1186897Apologies for the heavy ESL I was trying out a speech to text device earlier. While I do find him interesting I will have to stress that while he may be adjacent to fascist movements or neo fascist movements he is missing some of the underlying elements of fascism. I feel that this is one of the few cases where a dev change turned out positively.
Pacifica said on the discord that Kazembek isn’t fascist, he’s conservative monarchist now. The whole “monbol” thing irl was basically just a Soviet honeypot for emigres that he didn’t actually believe.
>>1187050Monarcho-socialist bros... we lost
>>1187067I mean, he was already a minister in VNS Vyatka. This ain't exactly a revelation.
>>1185986IIRC the lore behind him was that he was fighting in the West Russian War and ran off into the mountains when Himmler sprung his coup attempt. He's considered to have gone rogue and gets his guys bombed by the Luftwaffe.
>>1183671based orange GUI user
>>1186030Godherja? What happens there?
>>1185949The devs are shit, and the redux aspirants are even shittier kek
Space Update tooser:>While development is still in the design phase, we are confident that we will soon be able to enter full production. Due to the GUI and coding-heavy nature of the patch, we will not be able to reveal new TFF content for some time to come, so we will release a few snippets at this point in time to tide the community over in the meanwhile.>First, a look at the leadership of the superpower's space agencies, as well as an unexpected arrival to the space club:
>>1187830>Next, a showcase of the United States' early rocket systems. In our timeline, the captured V-2s and their engineers from Operation Paperclip would lay the basis for much of the Army's missile development, but in the world of The New Order, America must instead fall back on its native sons, along with some unexpected newcomers from a far-off wasteland:
>>1187833>Across the Pacific Ocean, the Empire of Japan finds itself in a curious predicament with regards to its space endeavors. Due to the severe disunity it faces organizing a cohesive program, it has grown to depend heavily on corporate sponsorship in this field. Of course, some would see it as a net positive, for why should the business of space travel be left to the whims of politicians and bureaucrats?>>1187835For TNO2 maybe but they would still be far behind
>>1187836even if Zhadanov were to unify russia?
>>1187836>Finally, we would like to show an experimental feature that may add some much-needed visual flair to your conquest of space.https://streamable.com/vzwmv2>>1187839Don't ask me, I'm not a dev.
>tno thread not meant to be a tno general>already being used as oneTNOfags... the world has underestimated your autism
>>118799775% of vst is poorly disguised generals
>>1187997It's a strategy game. We're all high-functioning autists.
>>1184904>Modern russian nationalist "movement" born as Savinkov larpWhat?
>>1188490A sizeable amount of terminally online russian zoomers unironically use his flag from Kaissereich and Christian NatPop ideological portrait he has as their movement's entire identity.
>>1188545basedunfortunately they'll probably switch to being communists soon enough like how DAMN SON went from taking the piss out of communists, the matrix brothers who trooned out and Jordan Peterson to [random anime character] IS TRANS REAL WOMEN PERIOD REEEEE
Alright, there's a lot of confusion ITT about what the plan is for Russia in the future, but I went through the real leaks, not the "leaks" the devs put on the Reddit nor the fake stuff posted here, and this is what I've got.Komi rework:>New ConDem path after centrist Komi takes over Vyatka >New Fascist path>Zhdanov is now going to be made into a 1984 dystopia(?) Or maybe that's ironic >Ivan Serov will get a path for the left and the right>New GUI and mechanic for centrist Komi>Multiple leaders (Bukharina, Suslov, Gumilov) will be reworked somewhat to fit irl belief they held.Aryan Brotherhood rework:>Wagner is gone, Viktor Bezverkhiy is in>AB will now be more about real world Russian Paganism and not Nazi worship>New collapse possibility >possible third path>Velimir is now an EsoNatOther warlords rework>Khrushchev is gone >Content for Krasnoyarsk, maybe including Trotskyite path>New GUI for many warlords>Princess Lydia will be made less one dimensional>Different possible presidents after Boris Yelstin in Sverdlovsk>Alexander Men will be reworked and will have a foreign policy tree.>Sablin will be made less "reddit socialist" and will appear later instead of at game start. That's all the main stuff
>>1188952>>Zhdanov is now going to be made into a 1984 dystopia(?) Or maybe that's ironicgod no I just want him to stay as space man>>Ivan Serov will get a path for the left and the rightno middle path?>>Multiple leaders (Bukharina, Suslov, Gumilov) will be reworked somewhat to fit irl belief they held.can't wait>>Wagner is gone, Viktor Bezverkhiy is incan't they just have both guy without removing the othrr person?>>AB will now be more about real world Russian Paganism and not Nazi worshipbut my funnt Aryan larp.....>Velimir is now an EsoNatI mean it's make sense but still feek surreal now that Velimir is purple. Also will his three sucessors still around?>>Khrushchev is gonetoo overused?>Different possible presidents after Boris Yelstin in SverdlovskYeltstin is in fucking Sverdlovsk???>Alexander Men will be reworked and will have a foreign policy tree.I hope he change back to despot and not christian socialist or maybe having both two path (despot:normal orthodox belief/christian socialist:Men go into more socialist doctrine)>Sablin will be made less "reddit socialist" and will appear later instead of at game start.part of the reason why he is unique is because the way they portray him as idealist wholesome person if they are gonna make him different from the original I would be mad. At least make him ne an incompetent leader who gradually work around himself to become more like the original Sablin.what about minor stuffs?
>>1188961Yeah Boris Yeltsin can be gotten as a unifier in Sverdlovsk after regional unification.Yeah I hope they give Men more variety, because they still don't have any theocratic unifiers, so having a traditional Orthodox thing would be cool.I also hope they don't change Sablin too much. While it's true that he was heavily whitewashed just because the tranny dev who write him thinks he's really hot, but it's still a unique take>minor stuff?Well the Black Army is going to be made more 'realistic' and less optimistic, so anarchy won't work. Which is a major change, I just forgot to include it in the other post.They want more characters to have event in other unifiers stories. So more events in general.This is a big one, one which has already been announced and is coming out soon, they're getting rid of the regional expansion focuses and replacing them with ones which co inside with the new decisions mechanic of "The second Smuta" which is the new way the warlords will go to war for regional unification.Vyatka is getting a GUI.ehh, that's all I got for now.
>>1188970they give Boris a country but not Funny pizza man?also yeah I like to see more variety in Men's paths because I think you can have interesting narrative the different between ConsOrthodox and SocOrthodox ideology.As for sablin I they should depict him more like his OTL while throwing obstacle and obstacle for him to fight with. This well both narrative and gameplay character of Sablin would be much better as he fight along the horror and has him realize his ideal world through hardship.>Black League going realisticI don't think there should be anything change narratively speaking. The BLA are the hatefuk germanphobic group who want to destroy the germans and that's about it, their whole situation is grimdark which fit the world of TNO really well and I don't see why they should go realistic (even I don't know how they are gonna change them)>>They want more characters to have event in other unifiers stories. So more events in general.oh cool leaders interaction nice.
>>1188977Oh did I say Black League? I meant Black Army. The anarchist guys.But Men might have multiple ideologies since one of the things I read was "Less fail states" so that means that Men's story of that general and the temptations might be scrapped and replaced. Perhaps by an ideological tree
>>1187544>God (who is always referred to as They and Them) literally gets a hole blasted in its head by a magical WMD used by a not-Roman-Greek emperor to wipe out his opposition>Said hole starts releasing fog that makes people go insane and turn into mutant cannibals>the RomanGreeks are depicted as bad guys (see picrel) and are being invaded and replaced by Germanic-like people who were displaced from their home by the tranny fog
>>1188977>Funny pizza manGorbachev already in the mod. He is part of RK Moskowien's government and lead figure of russian collaborators. After RK collapses, he is one of the warlords who can unite Moskowien. Presumably, he will be able to negotiate with Speer and Bormann if one of them win GCW.
>>1188983oh so the anarchist guy huh?>>1189113Gorbachev is in RK Moskowien? who else are in Moskowien beside him.
>>1189115He is one of four major ones. The other three are Kaminski and his russian nazis, von Saucken as prussian militarist who hate NSDAP and Helldorff as self-proclaimed new leader of RK.Rest are just bandits or work for one four of major ones with exception of SPG "Winners" and SS-Aktionsgruppe Moskowien. Soviet partisans and Burgundian SS respectfully. Both fight against everyone else.
>>1189086NIGGA no way I thought this was a buggy and boring nu fantasy modbut I didn't think it was this bad lol
>>1189086The absolute state of the twink mamzer
USA stream this saturday
>>1183671mod sucks, nobody should play it
>>1184868>rework translated as "peвopк" instead of "пepecтpoйкa"
>>1184882TNO is one of the few pieces of media from outside Russia to acknowledge all the other large cities in Russia that aren't just Moscow and SPB and give them plotlines, which makes it a really interesting mod from a Russian's perspective. It's a similar feeling to when an anime has an episode that takes place in the US, except in the case of Russian cities like Krasnoyarsk it's something that almost never happens when it comes to foreign media.
70 year old Mayakovsky as an option in Tomsk is the pinnacle of lazy research and depth the size of a puddle.
>>1190593>Yagoda>and now also return of Yezhov>NazBol Serov>Taboritsky being crazy saint/divine Romanov worshipper instead of Pamyat Society (from whom TNO devs even stole Christ Eagle Swastika)
>>119059380 year old Shulgin in Vyatka too
>>1190633Mayakovsky hated the idea of aging and killed himself partially because of it. As well we now know that Stalin works with Bukharin so there is little reason that his work would go unrepressed in some form when even Lenin was not the biggest fan as he thought futurism was bourgeois. Are we supposed to believe that Yagoda did not even attempt to suppress the art either after the loss in the war? It also shows an inability to research Russian futurism to any degree beyond the most visible member when many of his associates lived until the 60s and 70s OTL. Overall it just comes off as picking the famous guy and putting him in charge because you know him and nobody else. But looking at Zhdanov it really is not a surprise that Pacifica has no idea about Russian artistic and intellectual subcultures.>"It's not death that's terrible; the terrible thing is old age. An old person might as well just die," Mayakovsky declared, when he was thirty-three, to Natalya Ryabova, a girl he used to see during his visits to Kiev. When she asked him when old age begins, he answered that a man was old at thirty-five, a woman even earlier. "How many times did I not hear the word 'suicide' from Mayakovsky," Lili wrote. "That he would take his own life. You're old at thirty-five! I shall live till I'm thirty, no more." His terror of becoming old was closely connected to his fear of losing his attraction for women. "Before the age of twenty-five a man is loved by all women," he stated shortly before his suicide to a twenty-five-year old fellow writer." After twenty-five he is also loved by all-except by the one he is in love with.
>>1190661At least none of those ran antithetical to the core belief system that these people operated on. At worst they are simply warped distortions and not monstrous reversals of the entire essence of one’s life.
i slogged through this nightmare of a mod, managed to win the impossible civil war as Heydrich, did all the stupid bunker/missile shit, and it just ends anywayfuck this mod and anyone who supports it
>>1191154Play someone who isn't shit.
>>1191361do you want an applause or what
>>1191361The worst thing mussolini did was allying with the germans tbqh
>>1191439Yeah, he dragged them down with his incompetence
USA GUI now showcases previous elections
someone please spam twitch chat with "where's Yockey?"
>>1192179do it yourself
>>1192181I don't have account.
Voters now have "traits" that you have to account for when campaigning
New world event for Moskovien
RELEASE DATE WILL BE ANNOUNCED IN THE SECOND STREAM
TT INCREASE YOUR FUCKING VOLUMENOBODY FUCKING HEAR YOU
>glenn is boring and shitty as a person>TrannyNO dev
>>1192208he had nothing going on for him apart from the space stuff, now that all presidents are getting space content removing him was the right choice
Civil Rights Act effects
>>1192188>>1192204>>1192226who fucking cares about america in tno?
>>1192227It's one of the countries with the most content, why would people not care about it?
>>1192228Obviously because the american devs pour all their fucking time in it. Still literally the most boring nation you could play in tno.
>>1192231>Obviously because the american devs pour all their fucking time in itIt's just one guy working on it, the one playing it rn. Don't think that time spent in one nation hurts developement in another, that's not how it works.>Still literally the most boring nation you could play in tno.Japan and England are much worse
>>1192235what the fuck is this
>>1192241Mechanic that appears during the SAW to manage domestic discontent and shit
Nixon's succession letter
And Hart's introduction event
>>1192250>>1192252where's the 100% Wallace sweep?
McCormack to Wallace letter
Retard lost the SAW lmao
>>1192283They did it on purpose I think, they want to show of Hart.
Stream ended right after Hart's inauguration. Next stream will probably be next week, after which they'll announce TT3's release date.Pic rel is Wallace's letter to Hart
>>1192374Hart's city building mechanic
>>1192378And some of his focuses
>>1192378God I can't wait to play Hart.
Hopefully, they didn't spend the entire time adding useless GUI. I just wanted to play as different factions, whether a member of OFN, France, Latin America, etc. I guess we will see on the 25th of September
Apparently Kissinger is in Hart
I can't wait to sabotage the Hart administration
>almost a year since the last major updatePlease, I need more warlords to play as.
>>1192525are you talking about TT3? Because the only new tree they're adding is Hart's. Check https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/wyrgkk/a_current_list_of_all_new_content_coming_for/>>1192628They aren't adding any more warlords, at least for now
>>1192525Most of the election UI was already a submod anyways. Integrating it wouldn't have taken too much work.
Are there any more leaked TNO2 design documents like the Go4 Germany?https://mega.nz/file/YupWASza#uktg_bWNXMXa34I0Yvkcb9AM7_1PsGA75Zw5-RvISi8I remember seeing one about fascist america but I can't find it on archives
>>1192924I remember that one, it has a "wokeness" mechanic or some shit.https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/494070960253566981/788578477757825024/Dreads_big_ol_Y-NPP_document.pdfhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/494070960253566981/788578474658758666/Doc_Overbuilds_Big_Fucking_Post_72_Doc.pdfhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/494070960253566981/788578479905177620/McNamara.pdfhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/494070960253566981/788578482913017926/Victorias_L-NPP_Document.pdf
If the anon that posted this leak is still here and has access, can you post the google doc shown in pic rel?
>>1192932this is extremely old, it even talks about Ciano being pro-democracy lol
>>1192932● Francis Parker Yockey ideas:○ Can be first elected in 1972○ Should have some sort of mechanic where pushing too hard too fast on going fullfash will lead to you getting ousted. Yockey should have to play a long gamewhere things are done incrementally to slowly build up his power and turn theUS’s systems and checks against themselves and overstepping should lead tovery bad things, ie his presidency ending fast. Essentially the exact reverse ofItaly in 1962, whereas Ciano is someone in a fascist system working to tear itdown Yockey is someone in a democratic system trying to tear it down just likethe fascists of old did, but this system has been around much longer and is muchharder to remove. The goal is to either have Yockey fail and the US potentiallyable to claw back into some sense of normalcy or Yockey winning and the USentering a hard fail state.○ Will seek to win three terms (1972, 1976, 1980) if he is played perfectly andavoids being ousted, each term should be more authoritarian than the last andthe longer he is in office the worse the situation for the US should become. Eachterm should thus have its own tree○ Yockey will attempt to subvert the OFN for his own purposes and will be eager tosupport far right nations in Europe.○ His first two terms Yockey will be represented as Fascist in game but if he doesattain the third term he will flip to NatSoc and begin being addressed as“President, Commander-In-Chief and General of the Armies of the United Statesof America, Francis Parker Yockey”○ The fail state represented by Yockey is the constant fear and terror oftotalitarianism.
>>1192982>Domestic policy○ Is totally hostile to the very idea of the American democratic republic but will stiflethis publicly and make slower moves to break it down from behind the scenes○ Won't go full totalitarian mode for quite some time. His initial tree should bethings like: general expansion of government powers and presidential powersespecially, look to the imperial presidency for general ideas○ Establishing rating agencies for various forms of media, this will be sold to thepublic as a simple measure like it was otl but the longer the Y-NPP rules themore draconian the rules become, slowly but surely crushing any non-Yockeyviewpoint○ Overhauling and "improving" voting laws, will be sold to the public as a way toprevent fraud and such things but will over time lead to more and moregerrymandering and eventually outright manipulation in favor of the Y-NPP○ Segregation, will be the first big thing the Y-NPP pushes for, not just againstAfrican-Americans but all non-whites, they will always push to make it anationwide thing, will lead to lots of pushback and will be Yockeys first bigchallenge where his presidency either dies or he survives and solidifies himselfmore○ Court modernization plan, sold to the public as a revamp and update to thejudiciary for the modern era. In actuality it just slightly increases the number ofjudges nationwide to be packed with Yockey loyalists. Will impact SCOTUS butonly by 1 seat, Yockey’s plan is long term to avoid extreme backlash right awayand more and more judiciary update plans will be put in over time until the entirebranch is either neutered or filled with yes men who will support whatever Yockeydoes
>>1192983○ Suppression of the opposition, again it starts very minor at first and focuses onlyon the most prominent and vocal L-NPP types but the longer Yockey is in powerthe stronger HUAC and suppression of anyone who isn’t Y-NPP becomes○ Hostility to big business. In his first term this shouldn’t result in too much excepthigher income taxation and increased funding to government work programs andwhatnotThe second term should start much the same as the first with a general increasein government powers○ Will move to outlaw all non-European immigration into the United States○ Income taxation will be further upped and the Federal Reserve will benationalized and brought under state control○ Attacks on the media become more pronounced and while you won’t be able totake it too far without risking disaster in this term you can begin to curtail pressfreedoms quite a bit. Probably will end up with the US dropping to CensoredPress if you don’t fail.○ Another court modernization plan will be put in place. New court districts will bedrawn, specifically all the non-Yockey aligned states will be combined into one ortwo big districts and a bunch of Yockey states will become their own judicialdistricts. Essentially it would be judicial gerrymandering○ Voting laws will be further “refined” to make it harder for minorities and nonYockey areas to vote effectively
>>1192984○ Yockey will purge the military. Not in a kill everyone he doesn’t like way, but in aget rid of the establishment and potentially disloyal types by firing them or makingthem resign and replacing them with hardliners. Will increase Yockey’s power butdrop the army level to Political Interference.○ The Protecting Americas Traditional Racial Institutions and Obstructing TerrorismAct (PATRIOT Act, for short) will be rushed through congress and signed thesame night by Yockey, defunding the CIA and FBI and establishing a newagency (Department of Homeland Security) to be filled with Yockey loyalists whowill then begin a mass spying operation in the US to identify and eliminate orarrest an ever growing list of people○ A number of mid level officers in the military will attempt a coup at this point butthe newly founded DHS will pick up on it very quickly and watch them until thelast moment when DHS allows them to execute the plot, only to walk into a trap.○ Whereas segregation is the first big hurdle of term 1 the biggest hurdle for term 2should be something like outlawing miscegenation across the entire US. Shouldfail if you haven’t succeeded in the court modernization plans. Will lead to strongpushback, again could kill Yockey’s presidency but if you survive your positionbecomes even stronger.○ Yockey will pass an executive order undoing the one from the 40’s and officiallyre-segregate the armed forces.○ If you’ve survived until this point then term 2 will end on something like theCommunist Control Act being passed and the L-NPP and other such groups willbe officially outlawed. Will survive in court if you’ve passed the modernizationplans. If not the Act will fail and the backlash will make non Y-NPP partiesbecome more popular and potentially be able to throw you out on a unity ticket orsomething.
Dude why, we can download it and read it just fine
>>1192986No more hiding behind things once you reach this point, the last 2 years of thegame are where things start to get really bad if you’ve survived this long. The treewill open with one last round of congress and the presidency becoming evenmore powerful.○ A final court scheme will quickly be passed through that ensures SCOTUS isfirmly filled with yes men, protests against this will be cracked down upon usingboth the PATRIOT Act and Communist Control Act and Yockey will simply beginmass imprisoning people who are strongly and vocally against his government,allegedly because they’re plotting insurrection and to overthrow the government.The courts will support this because at this point they’re hardly an independentbranch.○ Election manipulation moves to the next level. You won’t just gerrymander ormove polling places around anymore. At this point the Y-NPP will begin openlyharassing and arresting candidates from opposition groups on a mass variety ofcharges and votes will regularly be tampered with○ Nationalization of all banking and several other things Yockey deems to beimportant to the state○ Very open harassment and targeting of Jews by the government○ The final thing in the two year tree will probably be the reestablishment ofinternment camps, ostensibly for national security but in reality it just targetseveryone Yockey doesn’t like○ The game will end on an incredibly somber note if you got this far, but there willbe some hope because Yockey is aging and nobody is quite sure what willhappen to the NPP once he dies and it should be hinted that the people might beable to tear this whole wretched system down as was done elsewhere if theY-NPP loses its unity but the US will forever be changed because of the eventsthat have transpired and people will always remember, it happened here
>>1192982>>1192983>>1192984>this is considered a failstate
>>1192990Foreign policy○ if Japan still has the ports and Hawaii this is where Yockey will be his mostaggressive and probably try to take them by force. Could also have negotiationsbe possible but Yockey should always be a serious hardliner on the topic.○ If Japan does not hold the ports then Yockey will pretty much pay no attention tothem and focus inwards instead○ Will NOT leave or disband the OFN. Instead he will use the US’s influence topromote things like White Australia and other similar things in Canada, NewZealand and potentially South Africa and fund movements similar to his own inthose states.○ If Bormann or Goering lead Germany then Yockey will eventually grow hostile tothem once they begin to collapse and will break ties with Germany because heviews them as having failed the western world due to their own ineptness,probably funding and supporting Fash and NatSoc groups in Europe in theaftermath as he now views America as the heart of western culture○ If Speer leads Germany and they’re going reformist Yockey will be 100% hostile○ If Speer leads Germany and they’ve remained Fash Yockey will remain friendlywith them○ Will probably support Germany somehow in WRW2 unless it went AuthDem.Justification for this is Yockey’s statements in the Proclamation of London thatSlavs are barbarians and his generally dismissive attitude towards them as acollective.○ If/when Germany dies the US under Yockey will likely try to form an alliance withany hard right European nations left. Maybe Frente Azul/Falangist Spain, Naziholdouts, maybe some fash or natsoc options in the British Isles etc etc.○ Will eventually found the European Liberation Front after Germany has died andgive them heavy funding and arms shipments to essentially spread Yockeyist (isthat a word? I’m making it a word) propaganda across Europe and attack anynon-fash, non-natsoc governments on the continent
>>1192982>>1192983>>1192984>>1192986>>1192990>>1192994This doc is from 2020 btw, I'm sure a lot of things would've changed after two years, especially given that TNO2 is in a very early conceptual stage
>>1192994Overral I give it 5/6 out of 10.The planned gameplay for Yockey trying to subvert america into his own ideal imperium sound fucking awesome but problem is that it focus more on the gameplay instead of his ideology of Neo-spenglerism and Pans-european fascism, the only thing that seem remotely come close to his ideas would be on the Foreign policy page which I find it really in line with his thought. I can see him helping various Nationalist movement in europe but I don't see him support Germany or Italy as a major nations.
>>1193003my main problems with it would>focusing on the mechanic but not enough ideology of the leader>fail state instead of having the player can archive his fantasy or failing to do so>Yockey leading a political party even after the end of TNO1
>>1192996they still planning to do TNO2?
>>1193005>fail state instead of having the player can archive his fantasy or failing to do soFortunately the devs are doing away with that philosofy so that won't be the case I think>>1193007Yeah, eventually
>>1193009I know they won't do it but I hope they at least make the Yockey ending at least moral grey ending where shit suck for some minority but overall white people love the new fascist society but they will most likely subvert it either way.also cool, TNO 2 is still alive huh.
>>1193015>also cool, TNO 2 is still alive huh.the idea is alive but development hasn't started yet and probably won't for a long time
Here's the git that was leaked a while ago. It's very outdated thohttps://gitlab.com/retardedsolutions/git-days-of-europe
>>1193025Damn, Greece is actually pretty fun, though the content gets into placeholder shit once the regime collapses. There’s a ton of debug stuff for Greece in decisions that I can’t entirely make sense of, but it seems planned out all the way to oil crisis just missing code and event loc.
So apparently Speer's reformed nazism is now a natsoc subid instead of fascism
>>1193678Spartanism is also NatSoc now. Both Huttig's african utopia and SS.The only thing left is to name Hitler's NatSoc as Hitlerism.
>>1193698That makes sense tough, Spartanism being esonaz is stupid because it isn't esoteric at all.The devs clearly want to point out that Esonaz isn't just "nazism but worse"
>>1193678Makes sense. The actual Fascism ideology in TNO is more for the explicitly Italian-inspired schools of fascism, like in the Mediterranean or Latin America. While Speer is more willing to moderate his ideology if it ensures prosperity, but at the end of the day, he still subscribes to an explicitly German form of fascism.
>>1193701I do think it is right call. Same with adding Hitlerism to mimic OTL's De-Stalinization by Khrushchev. That would be logical to have one possible german leader trying to purge his opposition by making the previous leader and his supporters scapegoats for all bad thing that happened during previous leader's rule.The only EsoNazi seems to be weird religious/esoteric/insane right wingers like Tabby. Making it more similar to Accelerationism of Red Flood. Probably for the best since purple color no longer about SS connections.
>>1193706>The only EsoNazi seems to be weird religious/esoteric/insane right wingers like TabbyYeah, Vladimir and Rauti too. The first is a Hyperborean pagan larper and the second is an Evolian SS simp (there's also that Argentinian general who was an "Esoteric Hitlerist" otl, Miguel Serrano). Characters like Huttig and Heydrich are out of place because they have no esoteric or pagan beliefs.
>>1193025>Anno I S.E.F>"The day of the March on Rome has dramatically changed the destinies of not only Italy, but the entire world, starting a series of events that would shatter the old order, and bring about a new one. It is for this reason that our official calendar juxtaposes to the common dating system the year since the March followed by "E.F." or "Fascist Era": this way, everyone will remember the importance of that day.>Today, however, a new momentous event has happened. With our glorious Duce's triumph over the enemies of Fascism, we have avenged our great prophet's betrayal at the hands of Ciano, and ensured the Empire's supremacy over the Mediterranean: such great deeds herald the coming of a new age for fascism, and the entire world.>Today, the First Fascist Era ends, and the Second Fascist Era begins!>Gloria al Fascismo, da qui all'eternità!"KINO
>>1193871First and Second era of fascism.man if only....
>>1194595vgh what could have been
>>1193726Huttig and Heydrich are put in purple because they are more in line with the Burgundian system.They are so extreme in their beliefs that they are separated from the regular Nazis.I think they should be kept Eso Nat, just because you already have the sub-ideologies to differentiate them, and the purple just makes it feel cooler. It is a sign to the player that something is fucked up
>>1195311>They are so extreme in their beliefs that they are separated from the regular Nazis.So it's basically just Blurple Super Nazism that has nothing to do with esotericism? Honestly I prefer that, having it as a scam ideology that just turns the entire country into a nuke-producing superdeathcamp.
>>1195311No, the devs don't want esonaz to be "nazism but worse". They want it to be "nazism with esoteric beliefs". This is why the main ideology was changed from burgsys to esonaz in the first place
Wait, if they're turning Burgundy into a Walloon Power state that isn't ran by an apocalypse obsessed madman, what's stopping any one of the German leaders from invading it?
>>1195497I guess they still have nukes but we can't know for sure because the dumb leaker didn't post the design doc
>>1192233>>>1192231>>1192228>>1192227>>1192227It's because Biden won in 2020 and then Ukraine happened, so we will get mods with increasing America wank
>>1195669>Biden wins>The OFN goes from being morally grey at the very best to pure good unless someone like Yockster or Wallace is running the USA
I don’t care, TNO is pure SOVL
>>1195673The OFN was concieved back when Trump was in charge and nothing has been changed about it ever since
>>1195849because the mod has hardly even updated since lmfao
>>1195322Yeah, I mean it can include the esoteric stuff, but right now there aren't many nations which actually include an esoteric element, I mean even Himmler who was infamous for his weird race spiritualism, his content has really nothing to do with esoteric stuff.And also it's pretty niche to separate a whole ideology because of what amounts to just a spiritual element.It would be like if there was a whole new color wheel ideology for "Christian democracy" or for Muslim ideologies.>>1195494That seems like a very minor difference to create a whole new ideology for. I mean who would even be included in that version of esoteric nazism? Taboritsky, the guy in RK Caucusien. Hyperborea?Maybe they should change it back to "Burgundian System" because that's what the ideology actually is.
>>1196145There are plenty of new EsoNaz people that fit. Rauti in Italy, José López Rega in Argentina, etc.
>>1196145>>1196190Just make it a new ideology call "Labour Campism" duh
>>1196145>Maybe they should change it back to "Burgundian System" because that's what the ideology actually is.It's not. Burgundian System just especifically refers to Himmler's government. Other purples like Rauti, Rega or Josias don't wanna turn their countries into labor camps and cause a nuclear holocaust
>everyone is arguing about subideology autism>not how it actually will impact gameplay>updates are more Bidenite America bloat>no real update in over a yearIt's actually over
>>1196491>everything I don't like is bloat
One of the 6 new Manul events for Sablin
>>1196495Yes you nigger
>>1196531but it isn't
>>1196312Who the hell are those people, are they even playable leaders?
>>1196690Josias is the funny Kaukasia man.I don't know if he even has content.
>>1196692No he doesn't, even if you reenable his tree and his events you see that they put very little work into it.
>>1196695>making a unique ideology for a bunch of people who don't even have contentlollmao
>>1196697Josias looks like he was supposed to be playable a long time ago and this was when having the scary purple color was overtly more SS influenced. A change of priorities for the worse I say. The mod should have been delayed a year or so.
>>1196697Rauti will be playable in PW and Hyperborea will be changed to esonaz in TT3. The rest is skeleton content aka flavor
>>1196740oh and there's also the Ghengis Khan Jesus guy that appears in the Turkey collapse, also coming in PW
>>1196515I keep seeing so many news about some fluffy cat in Siberia name manual.what the fuck is going on?
>>1196774I don't fucking know
>>1196774"Manuals" are a type of cat (also called Pallas cat) and they're native to siberia. People love them because they're extremely fluffy and have grumpy faces. That's it. There is nothing more to it. I'm surprised they actually put events into the mod for these cats but you only get them if you play hecking wholesome sablin so I'm not completely surprised.
>>1183671I do alternate history stuff on youtube. I'd love to do videos about TNO and all the other HoI4 mods. But playing HoI4 is legit like cock and ball torture for me.I'll waste half my fucking day autistically choosing technologies and distributing factories, just for a war to pop up and I realize, I did absolutely everything wrong and the game is now ruined. I've done this same thing at least a dozen times and I never learn. I HATE this game
>>1193015Fascism is still an oppressive police state for the majority group too.
>>1196774>>1196854They're native to Tibet and central asia, actually, a fair bit south of Buryatia. Which only makes it more inexplicable as to why the fuck they wrote events for them.
>>1196883If you play Germany or the US just spam helicopters and you can absolutely effortlessly win every war with them, TNO is literally easy mode.
>>1196910This is the approximate range of manuls. It does have some overlap with Buryatia.
>>1196854>hecking wholesome sablinThey're reworking Sablin to not be le wholesome 100 libcom and instead more like an authentic leninist with all the bad things this entails (one teased focus hinted at him burning down churches for example)>>1196915they removed helicopters as a unit, now they're only support companies
>>1196312IIRC Josias was doing the whole slave labour resource extraction thing in the Caucasus because he was secretly running a slush fund for Himmler or something. Of course he ended up turning against him because Nazism is an orc WAAGH and so is Nazism 2.
>>1196931>(one teased focus hinted at him burning down churches for example)which hecking wholesome sablin players probably would cheer for.
>>1196931>>1197234>(one teased focus hinted at him burning down churches for example)It lyrics from “White Army, Black Baron”, popular Russian song.>Flames and fires worldwide we seek to ignite,>Razing down churches and prisons in tide.Alongside these focuses and Red Terror mechanic.His initial thing is now being a lighter version of Tukhachevsky rising up against Securocracy of Yagoda and redoing Russian civil war versus Chita/Amur/Magadan. And after beating all other warlords in the Far East he goes to rebuild a proper state balancing between ideological positions of Tukhachevsky and Suslov where you get actual meaningful choices between pragmatic options and idealistic ones with actual drawbacks.
>>1197248yeah, sounds like the improvement he needed
>>1197234Chuds do the same when they cheer for the holocaust yet that doesn't make it less bad
>>1197257>holocaustanon we're not talking about fictional events here
>>1196515I will now play as sablin
>>1197327sablin burning churches is a fictional event though
opinion on Gumilov?
>>1197348Misrepresented in TNO and despite the look of his focus tree and ideology he is pretty boring to play as apart from an added post-release unique archeological mechanic which is actually fun. He is currently getting reworked to have a better focus tree and flavor that represents his actual beliefs rather than current strawman version of them.
>>1197348Very misrepresented and glad they're reworking him
>>1197358>>1197361opinion on Yockey and Rockwell?
>>1197401The commander (pbuh) is not in the mod so no need to worry about misinterpreting him or not. Personally I don't even think he would have became a natsoc had the Nazis won but whatever. Can't say much on Yockey aside from what other people complained about but those are other people's opinions not mine.
>>1197401Like USA in general they are victims of TNO's American team superficial and lackluster knowledge of their own history and inability not to project current day USA politics unto alt-history Nazi victory mod.
>>1197401Rockwell is not in the mod, which is imo a missed oportunity and Yockey doesn't have a lot of content so I can't judge his characterization properly>>1197430doesn't the facelift in TT3 fix that?
>>1197433Rockwell was literally killed off because "too popular" or "we forgot about him", one of the two.Same reason Goebbels is dead.
>>1197433Not really. TT3's changes to USA is band-aid over a gapping wound.But thats also a moot point since currently TNO Dev team has no desire to drastically change anything and current USA just auto-wins Cold War, full of wholesome chungus presidents who can do anything. I wish USA had actually fun set up like Rockwell, LaRouche, Prescott Bush and Ford with their NSDAP connections and so on while socially and economically USA is in the gutter and dark horse of Cold War.Instead, the best you can do is just install full segregation without noticeable effect, gulag faggots or have Yockey look really menacing in his portrait.
>>1197460So basically you're saying USA isn't fun unless it's nazi? I don't agree with that
>>1197466I am saying current USA looks more out of place in the world it inhabits than current Sablin.
>>1197478How does it look out of place? I think it does a good job as the las bastion of liberty
I don't care about realism, I just want to build trains.
>>1197492based trains running on time enjoyer
>>1197481OTL FDR's reforms and control over post-WW2 Western Europe was the power behind USA's economical rise as world power in Cold War and post-Cold War hegemony over the planet. FDR was also the one who returned stability and belief of americans in their political system and allowed it to continue. He was also the one who finally removed remnants of slavery in american legal system that carried on since Reconstruction with all debt-slavery remains etc because Japan was making fun out of USA. On top of it USA also done shitloard of cooperation with Nazi Germany easily on the level of lend-lease to USSR and Britain with mentioned Prescott Bush and Ford being important players in those schemes. Even during WW2 bombing of Germany by Allies Ford's factories in it were mostly ignored. And top of it USA were also the ones who caused economical collapse in post-WW1 Germany since they fucked over German banks.Now look at TNO's USA. They lost WW2, didn't get any money and industry from Western Europe, didn't get german scientists and intel networks (there should be no CIA since Abwehr wasn't absorbed by USA), got raped by Japan with treaty ports of all things, they did not have social reforms that stabilized political system and so on. Yet in game USA is power house that does not suffer from anything, can't collapse and almost always win Cold War unless human plays as Germany or Japan and does everything right. Most of USA Presidents shown as Good Guys like le heckin based LBJ who did his fair share of shady shit making Franco look like a child etc.The problem is not OFN being NATO-stand in and doing Democratic human right invasions across the globe but the way it is shown which is just pretty much copypasting OTL USA with minor cosmetic changes, ignoring everything else and just making every path for USA tongue-in-cheek current day USA politics and dreams of specific voting like Berniebros and SocDems paths or Republican fans of State Rights and Segregation.
>>1197502>Yet in game USA is power house that does not suffer from anythingFalse, USA has it's own fair share of problems, and the Hart path shows it the best>current day USA politics and dreams of specific voting like Berniebros and SocDems pathssocdems were a thing in american politics, even more than the nazis>Republican fans of State Rights and Segregationbut every republican passes states rights legislation?
>>1197514>False, USA has it's own fair share of problems, and the Hart path shows it the bestHart is the worst offender of modern day politics getting shoved into TNO. Just as "walkable cities" becomes a big lefty talking point on twitter, TNO devs add a president whose sole purpose is to fulfill the dreams of retarded cityfags.
>>1197524Hart is not only about "walkable cities" it's about reducing crime, inequality and homelessness and ensuring the average city has good schools and infrastructure
>>1197531How do you do these things without addressing the BQ (Black Question)>>1197524I think the biggest tell is them calling white Americans in the 1970s "the few"
>>1196883If you just care about the story, you can use consol commands. TNO is not really balanced anyway and there are some countries that don't even have any real wars yet"pp [number]" politcal power of [number] amount"deleteallunits [country tag]" deletes all armed forces of countrytag (don't forget to add the country tag though)"tdebug" then hover over a country to find country tags
>>1197537who cares about a slip up in a focus description you won't even read
>>1196692>>1196695The caucasus is getting content in Victor and the Judge
More succession lettersThis time from Thurmond and LeMay to Hart
>>1198686I hate the direction the developers are going with but kaukasia, moskau, Guangdong, and manchukuo interest me heavily. The devs are wasting their time with backwaters like Russia, mechanically serviceable nations like the USA and redoing the entire Mediterranean because they don't want to write a TNO story they want to tell a general story. Asia needs a lot more attention because it is barren.
>>1198734They're not wasting any time. TNO has different teams of devs working each on their own region.The Mediterranean desperately needed a rework, Tukey, Greece and France had literally no content and Italy's was broken and just shitty in general.And Asia is getting a lot of content in The Setting Sun.
>>1198769That is so far down the line it is not even funny. By the time Japan and the sphere is brought up to the level of other nations the USA would be reworked multiple times.
>>1198769Lol they still haven't finished Toolbox Theory. There is a 0% chance of them releasing even a bare-bones Italy rework within the next 2 years, much less content for Asia which on that roadmap they admit no one is working on.
>>1198800>which on that roadmap they admit no one is working onwhere does it say that?
>>1198816The points on the road map show "in-dev" or "future". Asia update has "future", therefore its not in development. Or at least it wasn't when they made the roadmap, but the fact that an entire germany rework is listed before the asia one, along with how slow the devs are in general, makes me doubt there has been much work.
>>1198825The germany rework is also listed as "future" and we've been told V&J is still in the design phase so it's safe to asume TSS also is.Take in mind this isn't kaiserredux. Actual effort is being put in research and design. Making a focus tree is easy, but thinking of a narrative, writing tons of events and coding different mechanics and minigames takes a lot of time and effort.I know I sound like a shill but people don't understand that first, this is a voluntary project the devs do in their free time, and second, the devs want the updates to be as fun and well made as possible. They already tried rushing content and the result was disastrous (see England, Italy and Japan)
>>1183671>get tired of HoI4, both in breaking SP and a MP match or two>try this VN mod>see that splash art with the nip stockbrokers during a crashHoly shit did they hire a fucking bara artist to do that?
>>1198834I think it was a fanart that won a community contest actually
>>1198831You are correct, it is easy to make a focus tree. The mods should have been delayed a year. Tool box theory has destroyed the pace of development and releasing it episodic style was not worth it. Hopefully future updates are not brought in peacemeal.
>>1198838TT3 shouldn't have been called that. It has become a full fledged update instead of just leftovers from TT. Do you really think they were planning on adding Hart and removing Atlantropa back when they released TT1?Also, from what I saw in the stream, the update is pretty much finished, it's only missing a few gfx and loc in some skeleton content. The reason they're delaying it that much is because they wanna make it compatible with BBA
>>1198845No I am not so bone headed to think that. I will continue to lament the loss of atlantropa. It made the setting unique and as a map editor myself I can only cringe knowing how many hours or even days of work was just uprooted because of a creative difference in the team.
>>1198853I think the setting is already unique as is and Atlantropa did more harm than good to the setting and left plot holes the size of the congo lake
>>1198769>They're not wasting any timekill yourself
>>1198858>I think the setting is already unique as is and Atlantropa did more harm than good to the setting and left plot holes the size of the congo lake>UHHHH DURRRR WHAT ABOUT DA REALISM OF MY HOLLOYWOOD NAZI MODI wish Panzer got rid of you all
>>1198877But it's true, the fact that the updates are being worked on simultaneously doesn't slow developement>>1198879TNO was never a Hollywood nazi mod, it was an amateur take at a nazi victory scenario combined with the need to make a political commentary about how authoritarianism is bad and doomed to collapse.
>>1198891TNO was based on Wolfenstein. It's even in the name.Wolfenstein started out as a pulpy nazisploitation-style series but then tried to reinvent itself as a "serious" political deradicalization tool while still building on the old base of ghostapo antics.
>>1198931>It's even in the name.Anon... I....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism)
>>1198957To be fair, Wolfenstein: The New Order released in 2014, the name year that TNO first entered development. The name would've definitely on Panzer's mind.
>>1198957So you think it's a coincidence that two works used this one obscure term?
>>1198983>obscureRead a history book for once in your life, you pop history, anecdote consuming spastic. It was so well known that Disney referenced it in the 30s and 40s.
>Zhdanov is being turned from amoral mad scientist space man to literally 1984I really hope Pacifica gets booted out soon
Replayed it recently, still shit.
>>1199004>in the 30s and 40sExactly. Contemporaries would have known it AT THE TIME, but it's not generally part of modern education or popular history. That's like saying that everyone in 1862 would be expected to know that Napoleon gave his men cheese sandwiches when he crossed the Italian Alps.
>>1199082And considering the state of TNO's lore, including fucking forgetting about Goebbels, one of the most important Nazis, Panzer doesn't seem like the kind of person to do his research.I'm falling into the "TNO was inspired by Wolfenstein" camp
>>1199082>>1199086You can fall into whatever camp you want, it still doesn't change the fact that you thought "new order" was an obscure term. I think he even talked about it in Mein Kampf ffs...
>>1199105>malding and seething this hard>being this mad because you're fucking wronglaffo
>>1199032They are removing all the funny Ultravisionary tech and instead making him into a reference to a dumb book by english anarchist/MI6 informant they haven't even read?
>>1199105>I think he even talked about it in Mein Kampf ffs...Well, not everyone has read Mein Kampf, and Hitler's speeches are being banned off video sites so it's not like it's really mainstream.>>1199086I'm pretty sure Panzer was an actual Neo-Nazi though. Like not as in "radicalized by Jordan Peterson" like the slipped standard for "nazi" is today, I'm talking "regularly posted on Stormfront".
>>1199140>neo-nazi>knows nothing about actual national socialismyeah that sounds about right
>>1199145It's been a while since I've been to Stormfront (I think they eventually went behind a paywall) but IIRC it was mainly just a bunch of racist boomers.
>>1199032She's making the Ultravisionaries into their own warlord.
>>1199201>Warlord stage>"Roll out Tesla Tank" focusbig if true
>>1199207I HATE THE CAPITALISTI HATE THE CAPITALIST
>>1199032i wish zhdanov would get the gumilyov treatment and made closer to what he actually believed in. surely there are better candidates to lead technocratic socialism in russia
>>1199313Wasn't he the guy who believed a planned economy wasn't enough, and we needed a planned society?
>>1199313>technocratic socialism in russiaMalenkov, actual historical Russian cosmists and famous scientists like Glushkov who were big into Soviet cybernetics and central planning with early computers.>>1199317Not really. He believed in maintaining cultural supremacy and have clear ideology is the key to win political battle in Cold War, hated apolitical technocratic bureaucrats because he viewed them as inherently disloyal, directed Soviet anti-jewish and anti-intelligentsia purges and started the whole rootless cosmopolitan thing. He also hated modern art and modernism in general with passion, was likely successor of Stalin had he not die from overworking and wanted to create Russian ASSR.Bunch of warlords already have his thing where you can “support socialist realism” or “cultural restrictions”. First one is his thing.
>>1199109If that's what helps you cope at night retard
>>1198834I like the effort but it's kinda jarring to see almost anime characters, especially when other loading screens like pic related are realistic
My headcanon is that Yockey goes American Psycho on Rockwell's ass after Rockwell insults and mocks him at the last debate they had.
>>1199741try getting a reservation at the Y-NPP now you fucking stupid bitch
>>1198858>>1198853>You think maybe we could have 10 years of events and decisions that will determine an ending that shows how fucked Europe's climate will be like in TNO 2, with places that were once cool now growing more warm (I am not a geologist, sorry if I'm sounding dumb). Maybe, we could instead make it a little side story that, based on our decisions of handling it's effects, gives us an ending that determines what happens with atlantropa? We could have a terrorist attack on the dam if we made stupid decisions in both the politics and handling of the dam, have our decisions be changed based on the different ideologies each country in the Mediterranean have like say, if a majority were democracies, it'd be more about dismantling it than keeping it, if it's more authoritarian, have them work around it to make it seem like it really did work out in the end (and control it's effects on the climate). A lot could be done with Atlantropa and it's effects on society in TNO. >Nah, it's unrealistic>oh okI wanted to see North Africa have whatever green it had be turned into sand, the alps heating up, south Italy being a desert, the destruction of the dam through a terrorist attack during the Iberian Wars. So much could've been done with this.
>>1199797Same we have had years of fascist Italy in all kinds of flavor, far-right France ranging from the mundane to the insane, and even a few tukish scenarios. They took what was arguably the most unique portion of their setting and threw it away to rehash the same stories we have been plaything through for years. We could have seen how those countries cope with the change in climate, Turkey's usually bullshit claims now had more weight considering they had real land borders to their claims, Iberia exists because of that dam, and now it is gone.
Lets talk about The Red Order: Lat days of Eurasia!
>>1200010Whoop! talk about map for ants!
>>1199797The problem is that the consequences of atlantropa are too big to just be a side story. If atlantropa were to happen, the countries in the mediterranean would collapse both politically and economically. Who wants to play a country that it's in constant recession and where everything is just shit due to factors the player can't control? People would complain about how the devs are railroading those countries into collapse.Not to mention the shit ton of plot plotholes that come with it. How did Germany manage to convince their mediterranean neighbors to drain their sea? Why did Germany want to do it when irl the majority of the nazi leadership including Hitler thought it was a dumb idea? Not to mention to build the dams one would need an amount of concrete that exceeded the world production at the time.The devs don't want TNO to be the silly nazi mod, but instead a serious approach to the consequences of Germany winning WW2>>1199804>Stories we have been playing for yearsNo other mod has Muti, Pavolini and Giani as duces. No other mod has the same amount of democratic and communist leaders for italy. No other mod has Turkey collapse into multiple warlords, one of which considers himself the reincarnation of Jesus and Genghis Khan. And no other mod has Poujade as possible leader of France. And that's just in PW.So don't say TNO doesn't have plenty of unique paths because it's simply not true.
>>1199804>Iberia exists because of that dam, and now it is goneIberia exists because Germany invaded Portugal's colonies. The dam came after
>>1200010>>1200011TNO's Fuhrerreich that's likely never going to get released.It lacks few edgy and wacky things TNO still has but instead has Cold War scenario that has a lot going on between three major factions and few regionals.To me it feels like it lacks major eye-catchers like russian warlords in TNO.>>1200029>No other mod has Turkey collapse into multiple warlords, one of which considers himself the reincarnation of Jesus and Genghis Khan.Disaster: Death of Peace has this kind of Turkey content.
>>1200010>>1200011You made a mod about real life but the flags are different?
>>1200158Like the other anon said it's the TNO version of Fuhrerreich, which is a mod based on an in-universe alt history book from Kaiserreich describing what the world would look like if the entente won WW1. So this is a mod showing what the world would look like had the allies won WW2 according to the perspective of someone who lives in TNO's world.
>>1200029>no other mods has a fascist, a fascist, or a fascist as duce>no other mod has democratic or communist leaders for italy>no other mod has a turkish collapse>no mod had turkey do something retarded>no mod has a rightwing government in France
>>1200011I hope they at least have an option for facist to win. Rockwell and Yockey would 100% fit better in this mod.
>>1200180You're just overgeneralizing.>no other mods has a fascist, a fascist, or a fascist as duceNo other mods have a sansepolcrist and a fascist mysticist as duces. >no other mod has democratic or communist leaders for italyRead it again. I said no other mods have that many leaders each with their own agendas.>no other mod has a turkish collapse>no mod had turkey do something retardedIn many mods turkey just has straight up no content. The only one I can think of that has a turkish collapse is Disaster and Kaiserreich if you count the ottoman collapse>no mod has a rightwing government in FranceI said Poujade especifically. He's not your average right wing politician
>>1200186Their toosers seem to show at least initial USA is more leaning into free market libertarians and dixie apart from normal candidates.
>By the end of this decade, the Burgundian System will triumph and I will create The New Order: Last Days of Europe for the Aryan race!What did he mean by this?
>>1200467I will miss burgundy, ngl.
>>1200479whats it being replaced with? another reichskommisariat with skeleton content that will fall into civil war when Hitler dies?
>>1201718In its current form it will be scrapped entirely and Himmlers coup is completely retconned. The area itself will be split among france, germany and the dutch rk. After hitlers death burgundy can be formed by leon degrelle, creating a wallonian SS state. However the state will be entirely french, no burgundian ethnicity, no burgsys wackniness, no weltplan stuff, just degrelle ruling his on fiefdom.
>>1201759>we will never get a reworked Burgundy with Himmler sending troops to Tibet to find Agartha or the Arctic to find Avalon.fuck the devs man.
>>1201764Himmler can become fuhrer instead so maybe you'll get what you want
>>1201769>Here we have the fleet that patrols the coasts of Taiwan in the UB update. The Chinese island that became the first victim of Japan's imperialist expansion was of great value to Tokyo, and as such the IJN deployed a sizable fleet to guard its loot.
>>1201770>In Nagasaki, there sits the jewel of IJN's combined fleet- the 1st Battleship Division with 4 Yamato-class behemoths. Here in TNO, the Shinano survived her fate of becoming a flattop in our world and is now armed with 18-inch guns like her sisters-in-arms.
>Lastly, Japan's intel agency won't be the Kempeitai anymore. That was just wrong and we finally got to fix it. >Say hello to the Daihonei Tokumu Soukanbu, or the General Intelligence Agency of the Imperial Military Headquarters!
>>1200158Not exacaly, European-American relationship is tense from American dickishness during WW2 which causes a split during the Suez crisis turning the world into a 3 way cold war between the UN, Entente and Weimar Pact.
There literally isn't enough concrete in the world to build a dam at Gibraltar.
>>1202016Yeah that's why the dam is getting scrapped tooI fucking hate you "muh realism" fags so much
>>1202172we hate you too
>>1202020>spends 2 hours to make a meme image instead of working on mod contentThis is why TNO is dead.
>>1201769whooo the fuck caaaaaaresthis is the same shit that killed kaiserreich, spending hours upon hours of dev time on technology autism like figuring out exactly what type of tank a communist britain would developnobody but massive military history autists can even tell the difference and it slows the fuck out of everything
>>1202020is this the newest reddit animal
>>1202342>massive military history autiststo be fair that's like 90% of HOIV players, tranny or not
>>1202016It's made out of compressed jewish ash from the holocaust
>>1202342It was fucking hilarious watching all their work go to waste 6 months later.
>>1202452>to be fair that's like 90% of HOIV playersWrong, most of them are 14-20 year olds who think they know a lot about history but don't. I doubt 90% of the people actively playing HoI4 have read a history book.And the ones who do? Well they lord over that information as if they're von Braun reincarnated. They think knowing the specs of a Panzer IV makes them 165 IQ geniuses. It's even worse in shit like Wargame Red Dragon. It's why they are attracted to it. It makes them feel like they're the smartest guy in the room because they know trivia about as relevant to life as celebrity gossip.
>>1201765So is so fucking stupid and a waste of manpower reworking due to the French Dev's autism>nooooo we would be irrelevant if the med was a wasteland undo it!!!>noooo burgundy is unrealistic replace it with French Ultranationalists!!!!1Meanwhile you already spent an update between release and the toolbox updating Haydrich - why not add to what you already have instead of throwing it all in the trash?
What's his subideology? Corporatism or Technocratic Nazism?
>>1203257Wait, so it isn't about realism, but about Frankwank? We should have left those hon hon baguette faggots to the Nazis.
>>1203276You keep posting this every thread as if you don't know the answer already
>>1203276should be two option.Corporatism for when he going to bring his great reset the whole world this including appealing to OFN and CPSTechnocratic Nazism is for when he keep his system in the Reich and its sphere.
>>1203276NeoliberalismNeofeudalism after his Tabby-esque mask off moment
>>1203276>LOOK MOM I POSTED IT AGAIN
>>1202335I think that all the GFX and writing shit is done with TT3 so the bored Artists do stuff like this while the Coders do the actual hard work.
>>1203430Actually I think it's the other way around. In the stream everything was coded in and icons and loc were what was missing
>>1203299>Wait, so it isn't about realism, but about Frankwank?Yes, every change has been because the French dev keeps seething how if nothing is changed then France would be irrelevant in the game
>>1203498Einstein's influence still haunts the devs
>>1198834>>1199732Panzer was a massive autist about using the same art guy for ever single but of art, and by the time he left, I can only assume the devs couldn’t contact the original guy. So much good shit was lost man.
>>1203795One of the new artists survived being in a literal warzone, so at least he's got that going for him.
>>1204119The loading screen art was never done by the team, it was commissioned by Panzer from some guy.
>>1204200Even worse, he lived in fucking Donetsk.
>>1191361italy literally didn't commit warcrimes during ww2no ethiopia doesn't count as part of the world war, and how can there be a list if it was only one warcrime anyways
>>1205322Everything the bad guys do is a war crime.
>>1205322>italy literally didn't commit warcrimes during ww2https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_war_crimes#World_War_II
Pacifica on the leaked Russia Rework
>>1205888>he/she/it is the russia lead
>>1205888A shame because some of those ideas were actually good.
>>1186253what the fuck is nuTNO?
>>1206019TNO after Panzer left
>>1206023oh, isn't the lead delevoper now that tranny pacifica?
>>1206024there is no lead dev anymore since Pacifica resigned
>>1206028what does he do then?
>>1206029Lead of the Russia team
>>120603Interesting, I don't think he will do much harm (relative to panzer)
>>1206030Sorry, >>1206031 meant for this
>>1205322Have you heard of Slovenia?
>>1186030Well-written and substantiated massacre and murder events in HoI4 add a good deal of drama and compulsion to otherwise bland and sterile mods. Any other examples than TNO that does that sort of thing in a setting more modern than WW2?
>>1186793>monarcho-socialist Anastasia Romanova as "reverse Taboritsky"She's not in the game, though
>>1203346>Neofeudalismit's Agrarian Spartanism, bigot.
>>1206433Designated baby-smashing treeism
>>1205769>shitipediaDidn't your teacher ever tell you not to use that garbage site as a primary source?
>>1197248>Securocracy of YagodaWhat seperates the NKVD rule from the SS rule in terms of being a security state, anywho?
>>1206462In TNO? Most of the possible SS lead countries are ideological purists and fanatics while NKVD State of Yagoda transforms into Deng Xiaoping's China which is much less ideological but more lax and pragmatic state that aims for long term economic growth.
>>1206489I suppose a better mod maker could write a more pragmatic SS-lead path with someone like, say Heydrich who was really more concerned with power than ideology, but then reddit would start screeching that you're "WHITEWASHING NAZIS!!!"
>>1206645That's literally what they're doing in the Heydrich rework
>>1206645>>1206675>>1206682I hope they do something interesting with it like juggling factions with ideological radicals and Industrialists (Krupp, Siemens, I.G. Farben etc) and Banks that were bankrolling SS. That would be different to other major paths for Germany.
>>1183671Why is Italy so big? Did they drain the mediterranean or something?
>>1207413Yes, that's getting removed in the next update tho
>>1206400Unfortunately, every other mod that tries invariably fails. I can't believe that "bad writing" is a semi-common criticism against TNO when pic related is the competition.
>>1207718this is bad but I don't know why.
>>1207413Yeah, there was a proposed thing called "Atlantropa" which was to dam the Mediterranean and drain it to provide more farmland for Europeans.It would never have been done since draining that sea which I can never spell correctly, would just add useless desert. It's being removed in the next update. Whenever that is.
>>1208108Also the proposed dams would've required more concrete than can be made on Earth.
>>1208129Would it still be that much if they limited it to just the Gibraltar one and perhaps another in Istanbul?
>>1208165Yes, but remember that all of that is getting removed not because of realism arguments but because the french developer(s) kicked up such a fuss that the entire setting is being rewritten to suit his autism because he/she(he) cannot fathom France taking a back seat in a setting that is reliant on the defeat and irrelevance of France.
>>1208179You say that but the same would happen to Italy and Iberia, not only France.
Old Speer tree, thoughts?
>>1208179It would make most of southern Italy uninhabitable
>>1208205I say that because the French dev was the one kicking up a fuss about it. You can, and maybe should bring up in universe arguments but the real reason is that a person did not want to work on a country unless a series of demands were met. From there it was just to convince the rest of the Mediterranean devs and from there get some tacit approval from everyone else. Blame France for killing the mod.
>>1208285>removing atlantropa is killing the modlol
>>1208292>>1208215Shut the fuck up nigger french dev
>>1208373>implying I'm the same anon>implying I'm a nigger>implying I'm french>implying I'm a devmeds
>>1208179Well that's unfortunate.Personally I'm fine with it being removed just because it looked ugly
>>1208292The removal of atlantropa and the soon to be removal of burgundy. Two of the more iconic parts of the mod are being removed because of the French. Maybe you like the idea of burgundy being removed, maybe you like the idea of a part of the map being changed because of laziness. But I do not, I know who to assign blame for this state of affairs and we will miss the days of panzer insisting that direlwanger be playable, bogi smerti, unique map, the idea of a playable GM nation, Indiana Jones kaukasia, and the DSR.
>>1207718>I can't believe that "bad writing" is a semi-common criticism against TNO when pic related is the competition.Other mods having bad writing doesn't make TNO's writing good.
>>1208426BUT DUDE WALLOON ULTRANATIONALISTS LMFAOFuck the French. Fuck all of them. I hope they're hacked to death by the ex-colonials they imported.
>>1208800I think it is understandable that a French dev would want French dev content, but they should have just made a TNO sister mod where France lost WW1, becomes Fascist, wins WW2, and make that TNO-esque mod
>>1208426>removal of burgundyWait! This is the first time I'm hearing this. Why the fuck would the dev team allow such a thing to happen? Burgundy is the most iconic part of this mod. This would be like if Kaiserreich removed the Commune of France and made them monarchist or democratic from the very begging.
>>1209318Ever since Panzer left, the dev team became more and more autistic. Remember when TT was just a small rework of the economy tab similar to EU4 allocation of money to the army, navy, forts, corruption etc... To me, the autism that is TT, the removal of waky stuff like Bogi Smerti, and the bastardization of Burgundy killed the mod.
>>1209318It's not confirmed. It is unlikely, but someone could've made it up.Either way I don't care, whatever they do to Burgundy it's guaranteed it will end up with better content than what we have now, a mechanically broken and narratively awful country
Oh god. Are they reworking everything AGAIN?
>>1208426>the idea of a playable GM nationawhat?
>>1209838No no, anon, you don't understand, THIS time it'll end up being great. One last rework...
>>1209840"game master nation", basically everything that was happening in TNO was because of burgundian covert operations. From the japanse stock market crash to the oil crises, everything was either influenced or explicitly caused by decisions from the Burgundian focus tree.
>>1209850Which is retarded beyond measure and one of the reasons TNO is so bad.
Supervillain Burgundy was a great idea with terrible execution
>>1209861more like midwit take. A shithole like Burgundy doesn't have the capacity of conducting such global operations
>>1209866Burgundy shouldn't really be a shithole at all considering the quality of the land and the existing industrial base there. There's a reason the Fr*nch dev insisted on having Burgundy turned into a Fr*nch ultranationalist state that will presumably be able to be beaten and annexed in an actual war or somehow peacefullty reintegrated via bullshit means, or have it take the place of France altogether.
>>1209872And? Having a good industry doesn't make you capable of manipulating the world
>>1209850>>1209860game master nation is an interesting ideas that could be implement but should not be overdrastically that lock nation from going certain paths. Game master nation should>make other nations harder to accomplish their tasks>support dissidents in other place to revolt and cause chaos>supply other nation's top secret to their rival. (Idk how to implement this one)>support everyside in the civil war>etc.
>>1209885I particularly like that last one.>dragging out civil wars so that major powers eventually try to intervene and break the stalemate
>>1209885I at least liked the irony of Burgundy being a world manipulator as them being everything they accuse the Jews of.
>>1209896Yes, a very subtle commentary.
>>1209885Isn't that kinda already what the existing CIA/Abwehr/RND/eventual DTS intelligence mechanics are supposed to be? You can as one of the superpowers support factions friendly to you in other countries across the globe, making it harder for the other two to effectively accomplish hegemony.
>>1209887I was more thinking of "nation A nearly beat nation B and Game Master supply a lot of advance equivment to nation B to create stalement as long as possible" This way it can challanging for player who play nation A.>>1209896>>1209903you could make Burgundy narrative and nazism as a whole to be a cautionary tale for many far right to not becoming the caricature jews that people claim to be fighting to.>>1209913Yeah pretty much but I was thinking more whole world scale instead of some region.American will focus on spreading its influence to Africa and South & SEA, Germany will try to defend their own territory in Africa and Eastern europe and might try to influence Latin America, Japan will defend Asia while slowly spreading their influence to Central and East asia but Game Master nation will have all of the regions in the world be available to them at the start of the game.
I am very annoyed at the removal of Burgundy even as an idea. It could have been something like the Banat in Serbia but in the Zone interdite in France. Officially a part of France but with a significant level of autonomy for the local German settelers. It doesn't even need to be shown on the map exept for being demilitarized for France.
>>1209941>but Game Master nation will have all of the regions in the world be available to them at the start of the game.But why is it special? What makes them capable of doing what other bigger, better nations can't?>>1209945Burgundy isn't getting removed, it's getting replaced by an esoteric ultranationalist walloon state while Himmler becomes a Fuhrer candidate
>>1209946honestly that's a really hard question and I'm still not so sure myself what to give to them.
>>1209946>walloon stateIsn't RK Belgium-North France a thing?
Would the setting of TNO have better been suited for something like a visual novel and not a strategy game?
>>1209872>the Fr*nch dev insisted on having Burgundy turned into a Fr*nch ultranationalist stateWhy are they like this?
>>1209953Technically it's the Charlemagne Legion, presumably under Degrelle, what takes control of northern France.You can see the post here>>1192978
>>1209954Not a visual novel, it's still too impersonal for that. It would be better off as a separate game instead of a mod for a wargame though.
>>1210136>too impersonalYou could totally make a Suzerain-esque game where you play as Speer or a self-insert Führer candidate.
>>1210141Oh yeah, I forgot about Suzerain. That's a pretty good model to follow.
>>1209954nah, the focus tree system is perfect for TNO
>>1208209>Base game focus iconsI spit on this.
>>1210907This was from long, long ago.
>>1207718>French Empire>White Flag Disgusting, whoever made this should feel very ashamed
>made this thread a month ago>it's still upDamn vst is slow
>>1210952TNO threads used to hit bump limit in days, but since TT theory and french devs took control reworking everything again -- anons know this mod will go the fate of a dozen other shit meme toozer modsThere will be no updates for 3 years, then a quiet announcement will be made the mod is dead In the meantime, they will give you shitty gui screenshots showing whatever projection of modern america's decline they feel like fantasizing about solving today
>>1210956>french devsrent free
>>1210956One french guy > entire wehraboo/naziboo/TNO community.So this is true power.
>>1210986>le wehrabooPlease shoot yourself. inb4 haha follow your leader xddddd meme
>>1210989Hon hon hon.
>>1210974Cope, le ebin fr*nch ultranat Burgundy will be a total flop and the deathblow for TNO.
>>1211172It will have better content than the broken mess of current Burgundy, cope
>>1210952I like it this way. I can come back once every couple of hours and not have to find a new thread.
>>1211223Keep dreaming, faguette.
>>1210975I guess the one who is trying to bait is you. Or are you seriously that braindead and don't understand the difference between kingdom and empire?
>>1211223I mean that's not really a high bar to pass, is it?>this shit tastes a little less shitty than this other shit EH EH VIVE LA FRANCE
>>1211311That shit looks like some French version of VGH posting, maybe they're going for some Bourbon restoration kinda deal? Who's to say a Bourbon cannot be crowned Emperor?
>>1211296>turn mod even shittier with misplaced nationalist autism>hurr durr you can't criticize me obsessed obsessed obsessedTouch sex and have grass
>>1211399>maybe they're going for some Bourbon restoration kinda deal? Who's to say a Bourbon cannot be crowned Emperor?This makes zero sense, Bourbons despise the empire and would prefer to use their old name instead. Why on earth would they associate themselves with the guy who usurped their country and killed people who supported Bourbons? Do some research on french history before embarrassing yourself
>>1211434>some guys proclaim the empire (again)>they don't have a Bonaparte at hand so they just take some Bourbon guy as figureheadLook at that ridiculous map, this would hardly be the least believable thing to happen there.
>>1211436Why would those "some guys" call it an empire? It causes unnecessary controversy and alienates Bourbons and their supporters
>>1211404>meI'm not the one who made the decision, hell I'm not even a dev
>>1211453>Why would those "some guys" call it an empire?Because empire = big = good, easy.
>>1211456Devs must have used the same reasoning while making this garbage. It doesn't surprise me since it's made by dumb children.
I just want the Guangdong autism to be released before the mod dies.
>>1211460What mod is that even?
>>1211461the mod isn't gonna die no matter how much doomfags keep repeating it
>>1211461>Sony assault rifleShit like this reminds me why I played this mod to start with.
>>1211484Also, Hitachi are Manchurian slavedrivers. Literal slaves are making vibrators.
>>1212129Don't care, dead mod.
TT3 RELEASES ON OCTOBER 14th>>1210956EAT SHIT FAGGOT
>>1212512Fuck yeah, can't wait for hecking wholesome urban America.
>>1212514I HATE URBAN FREEWAYS I HATE URBAN FREEWAYS
>>1211461>>1211484>>1211505HOI IV alt-history modding community is a good insight on how discord and reddit troons see the world and its past through their eyes. Also how knowledge of history has collapsed.
>>1212691We're entering a dark age, but it's okay because we have upcummies.
I wanted Krasnoyarsk. >a republic built entirely on empty promises that changes it's ideology based on opinion polls and referendums while nothing actually ever changes and the "provisional" military government hold eternal power constantly trying to surpress or placate any actual ideological movements from gaining power.
TNO is a lot like Warhammer.Your headcanon will laways feel more satisfying than the official product.
>>1210191Have the vanilla game's focus trees been getting bigger since TNO made that popular?
>>1212732Same, the idea of being an opportunistic liar making wild promises to stay in power and shifting into someone who actually can fulfill those promises and live up to their own hype intrigues me.
>>1201764Any other oldheads remember?
>>1212792Still mad about that. I was really looking forward to him.
>>1212797TNO development really is like a competition to commit the most unforced errors possible.
>>1212732Hardly different from Siloviki Novosibirsk.
>>1212756Imagine I'd be something like Komi. Their ideology changes three times before unification but the fourth time it's for real.
>>1212851To me it seems like a story that writes itself and one that is relatable. Self doubt vs self achievement. You go from a literal zero where everyone else is stronger and more interesting than you to an unexpected hero. You aren't backed by a super power, you are not a child of destiny, you were nobody important in the old regime, a mediocre commander and greatness was thrown at you and rather than fumble like everyone expected you embraced it and shaped it to your own designs.
>>1212846It would be a lot more comical.>people are tired of the military government>the military government begins democratization and promices free elections>election are held>the military government actually auctioned the votes>conservative democrats paid the most and won>the military is still in control behind the scenes>people start to notice things>communism is becoming popular>the military secretly negotiates with lukewarm communists>a communist revolution breaks out>it's actually a planned self-coup by the military>lukewarm communists gain power>the military is still in control behind the scenes but under a revolutionary sounding name>irkutsk unifies the far east>begins negotiations for a peaceful unification>the military is not going to give up it's power>they perform another coup against their communist puppets>form a new anti-communist government>invite radical anti-communists and fanatics into the new puppet government>win against irkutsk and unify siberia>during which they to keep the radicals' influence in check>the radicals overthrow the military government and establish a fascist government>this time for real>at this point the people either tired of this shit or they harldy care anymore