Previous thread died sooner than expectedHave you given the game a try anons?
I always imagined losing to the Spartans and having this hard bitch standing over me with a whip. She gets undressed and then rubs me down in oil, threatening me with a good whipping if I dont "perform" to her sexual satisfaction. But there were two problems. Firstly I dont like the fact she has goldfish eyes. Can someone shop her eyes to look more human, and maybe give her a small cruel smile? That would be great for my masturbation fantasies. The second problem was that I always rush air power in the game. With air power you can never lose. A few needle-jets and you become invincible. So the Spartans never defeat me. Can someone mod the Spartans so I can lose?
>>1141027>Previous thread died sooner than expectedwasn't it around for awhile? was it the one with Yang as the thread pic? maybe we'll start linking old threads in the new threads.>>1110281did that fucking work?
not my copypasta but posting it here in case someone needed ithttps://pastebin.com/QgEvG3ET>Higher resolution Add DirectDraw=0 in the .ini file for SMAC or SMAX - it will make run the game at the desktop resolution; the only graphical drawback is that in the "customize random planet" menu the background won't be animated.>Higher resolution & UI improvementInstall PRACX patch https://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=14308.0 which is running for SMAC and SMAX. Adds:- windowed mode,- higher resolution,- viewing tiles by hovering over them (V hotkey),- potential yields view in the base view,- alternative map view modes (elevation, rainfall, rockiness, faction territory),- smoother zooming and scrolling.Besides disabled "customize random planet" animation it also makes the mini-map view box unresponsive to the scrolling.>In-game help updatehttps://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/comprehensive-datalinks-update.291246/ - corrects and expands the description of techs, abilities and so on. Available only for SMAX.>CPU usage fixSome people report high CPU usage, this fix works with SMAC/SMAX:https://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=20433.0>SMAX vanilla conversionhttps://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=17869.0 - allows to play SMAC in the SMAX engine by removing all expansion assets.>Unofficial patchesSeveral fan-made patches fixing bugs and improving AI:https://alphacentauri2.info/wiki/Category:Unofficial_patches>Custom factionsNot an exhaustive list. To enable a new faction in SMAX you need to open alphax.txt, find #CUSTOMFACTIONS line, and add the name used in the new faction .txt file like this:#CUSTOMFACTIONSFACTION, FACTIONNo more than 7 custom factions can be added at the time.In SMAC you can only replace existing factions (plus features introduced in SMAX won't work).https://alphacentauri2.info/My%20Custom%20Factions/Custom%20Factions.htmhttps://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=102
>>1141184Spartan colony looks nice and crisp, another upscale?
>>1141046Here you go anon. I am on Linux and only have Krita to edit pictures. Also I don't really know how to use Krita so the result may be less than satisfactory.
>>1141445Thank you thank you! That's just perfect! I am going to blow that pic up large enough to cover my bedroom ceiling. You have breathed life into her otherwise sterile features! I can truly believe that those eyes are glaring down on my naked writhing body with malicious sexual intent! Oh! And those lips! What those lips are going to do to my fragile and trembling appendages! She is going to show me NO MERCY! NO MERCY AT ALL! I am going to be hard all night! Ohhhhh!
>>1141046something like this?
>>1141462Yes, that has to be me in the force field. Because I have been so naughty! So I am awaiting punishment at the hands of Santiago, I am helpless and writhing and naked and and and ....HNNNNGGGGGGG!oh God.again please.
>>1141481>force fieldIt's called a Punishment Sphere horny anon. It keeps the drones in line.
Stop pandering to the sexual degenerate. The other thread was good decent anons discussing this noble game and debating the finer aesthetics of each ideology in a gentlemanly manner. The sick Santiago lust freak is just baiting you all into irrelevant posts of a slovenly nature. We are better than that. We stand tall and proud, rising feet and shoulders above all the other childish threads, all the Paradox bullshit, all the childish total war fanbois, and the myriad of trash first person shooter games that defile the very definition of STRATEGY GAMING! We are the superior SMAC people! God's chosen!Say it with me Brothers and Sisters of the ONE TRUE STRATEGY GAME! BY GOD!SMAC!SMAC!SMAC!Amen.
>>1141397yeah it is, I might do more>>1141742We must dissent, brother
>>1141742We must dissent!
I am playing Yang he doesn't seem to suffer efficiency penalties from social engineering policies.Is that some hidden perk of his, or is that bug?
>>1141999Yang can't go negative in efficiency. It's a feature.
>>1142027Very nice. Thank you.
>>11420270 efficiency kinda sucks. I can imagine playing with more than 15 cities without efficiency at +4. The corruption is just simply too brutal
>>1141999If you're playing SMAX, it's a documented feature in the manual. If SMAC, it's one of the expansion features that were added in the last official patch (it also includes changes like two new landmarks, or "release the worms into the wild" option).
>>1141027there is no competitor to this game, not even close. A true gem.
>>1141027Santiago was difficult. Her social engineering choices always seemed rather limiting and the Power doctrine comes far too late to be useful. The "free" prototype isn't much of a consolation either since you are nearly always threatened by superior numbers from allied factions outflanking you on the battlefield. Quantity bests quality in this game unless you're fighting a mindworm.Typically, I went Police State and Green, and consummated the Pact of Sisterhood with Deidre while keeping Yang placated. You'd often have to carve up Morgan, bully Zak for tech, and keep Lal at bay. Now that I think about it, I wonder if running Police State and Free Market would've been a winning combination. You're at -2 Police doing that, but at least there wouldn't be a penalty for units outside of your territory.Overall, I found her rather bland and nothing like the Spartan powerhouse that she seemed to portray. It's a constant battle to keep the lights on in the impact rover factory. If you don't conquer early and get the production cranked up you'll end up worse off than Miriam.Any success stories with the Colonel?
Gonna play for the first time ever.Got the gog release, installed PRACX, and the Scient patch.Do I just make a random map and go?
>>1142297The Spartans were deliberately designed to be weak by the developers. They make a patrician choice for superior people, like myself, who need an extra level of challenge. Inferior people, such as yourself, will struggle to find success playing as the Spartans. Filthy little peasants like you are fit only for cleaning toilets.
>>1142389huge map of Planet
>>1142468Map of planet is nice, but the huge one is... rather huge. I am not sure i would recommend it.
>>1142472Yes, huge map is for superior minds, such as mine. Inferior people should play on the small map, which is more suitable for their small brains.
>>1142297>You'd often have to carve up Morgan, bully Zak for tech, and keep Lal at bayThe Spartans are weak. The starting rover is usually considered the most important of their bonuses and maluses by most players, that's how unimportant they are. However, the fact that you are putting in so much effort, with such specific strategies, means that your understanding of the basics of the game and probably the genre is weak. You give no screenshot so the best advice I can give is to stop roleplaying and understand the 4X genre. Stay flexible and select choices to to fit the circumstances instead of what you think the Spartans should do. For example, you claim it's a constant battle to keep the lights on in the impact rover factory, whatever that means. Why is your economy so weak? Spartans just have an extra 10% mineral cost. Theoretically, it can exponentially add up, but in practice it should not have such a big effect.
For me it's Morgan. Out of my way poorfags. Human behavior is economic behavior. Resources exist to be consumed, and consumed they will be.
You rush secret projects for their strategic benefitI rush secret projects for their cutscenesWe are not the same
>>1141027I’ve owned SMAC via GOG for a while but I’ve never given it a shot, mostly because I’d expect it would be better enjoyed with some 4X experience but I always get bored to death when my friends have forced me to play Civ V or VI. What’s a good game to learn the basics of 4X, or can I just jump into Alpha Centauri? Should I play Civ 2 since it’s the immediate predecessor?
what's the difference between SMAC and SMAX besides the new stuff in SMAX?which one do you recommend playing for first time player?
>>1142657>what's the difference between SMAC and SMAX besides the new stuff in SMAX?>What's the difference apart from differences?I am not sure i follow.>which one do you recommend playing for first time player?The original. The expansion... well, expands the basic story and i would say it works better if you have played the first game at least a bit.
>>1142661>I am not sure i follow.I mean what does SMAX offers that SMAC doesn't besides the obvious, it runs on a different exe plus some mods only support SMAX, so im just curious if there is any difference there maybe engine update or something?>The original. The expansion... well, expands the basic story and i would say it works better if you have played the first game at least a bit.I see, noted.
>>1142661>what's the difference between SMAC and SMAX besides the new stuff in SMAX?The following enhancements to Alpha Centauri are all contained in AlienCrossfire.SPECIAL FEATURES• HOTSEAT multiplayer mode now available.• Play-by-email multiplayer mode now available.• Added your total Council votes to the bottom of the Comm menu.• One of the cycling info displays now shows # of council votes.• You can now see AI player’s social engineering settings.• Adjusted armor costs for air units.• New council proposals shown on datalinks for technologies which enable them.• Alt+Shift+W toggles fog-of-war preference.• Added a right-click menu to base production screen so you can removeobsolete units from view, as well as perform other production functions.• You can now see the destination of a unit without selecting it. This optioncan be toggled under “Map” preferences.• You can now release mind worms into wild using the “Turn Over UnitControl” option on the Action Menu.• New atrocity rules: (a) 12+ atrocities (depends on difficulty level) will causeall factions to declare vendetta (b) Nerve stapling becomes increasingly ineffective at particular bases the more you use it.• You can now customize the map size when generating a random planet.
>>1142657The only good things about SMAX are a couple of extra secret projects, the challenge provided by the alien factions that can and will btfo you and maybe one or two extraludes that are very well written. Everything else is meh,
>>1142037It gives Yang a pretty linear Social Engineering setup, but it is strong for him and pretty unique because the low efficiency is a killer otherwise.>>1142114Yang just needs to produce energy like a motherfucker to offset it. Planned police is actually pretty nice for suppressing riots and pumping out units. It's pretty good to churn out formers or military and just be bigger than everyone else and run them over.
>>1142450based taste. anon.
>>1142732Superior person detected. Autonomous seek-destroy drones deployed.Planet isn't big enough for two of us, anon.
>>1142746>Autonomous seek-destroy dronesbut how will they find me?i'm behind 7 genetic transmogrifications
My marine base can't use a borehole I made on land, why is that? That space isn't used by any other city. Also how do you have minerals for a marine base? Mining platforms give too few.
>>1142749So that's how its going to be. Very well, I will tolerate your presence until I develop enough planet busters to turn the entire Planet into quark soup. >>1142771Are you playing as the Spartans? If so we will help. Before destroying you. If not then you deserve only mindworms, set to incubate inside your orifices.
>>1142771Post a screenshot. Most likely the borehole is within another faction's borders. Only other reason I can think of is that there's fungus on it and maybe a concealed unit. Sea borders also work a little differently between the base game and expansion.Sea bases rely on mining platforms and whatever land tiles they have for minerals. Unless the city works a borehole, you'll want to rush-buy most of the production there. For that, you only need to invest 10 minerals into each construction project (except secret projects which take more), then the rest can be bought at a rate of 2 energy -> 1 mineral. Since sea bases have tons of nutrients and energy, especially in the expansion, it's a good deal.
Honestly, if you get to the stage where you are putting down boreholes, building sea bases, sending out crawlers, and all the other retarded bullshit, then you are just larping. Or you are just incompetent. You rush air power, you wipe everyone out, you win. Simple as that. Anything is just playing a SMAC variation of Crusader Kings.
>>1142879Wrong, it is airpower that just larping. You rush impact rovers, you wipe everyone out, you win. Simple as that, no joke.
Did you actually possess retroviral capability? Was he actually researching retroviral engineering? Would you violate his faction privileges?
>>1142389Quick game is basically tutorial mode.
>>1142879Yes, and?My last game (first in about 5 years) which I just finished, I was on track to corner the global energy market as Dierdre. While being 2 turns away from also eliminating both remaining rivals, I said "Fuckit" and elected myself supreme leader.I BTFO of Morgan's ass in the first century, leaving him a rump vassal on the northern edge of my continent Lal and Zakharov both bit the dust before I even met them, which left only the psychotic oestrogen alliance of Santiago and Miriam "I'd like to speak to the foreman" Bitchwinson. I promptly crushed their empires with 'copters and drop troops, left them with a single 2 pop base each before making them swear fealty rather than exterminating them (because I am a humanitarian after all).I finished the game with all but 2 secret projects.What else is SMAC other than RPing?
What are Zak's glasses for?
>>1142389If you have a keyboard with a numpad it allows 8-directional unit movement by default.I don't see many others mention this and see far too many video of gameplay where people are right-clicking the terrain to do any diagonal movement.
>>1142297The Spartan bonus is +2 to the Morale of every unit - each level of veterancy is roughly 12.5% extra strength. If you conceptualize the Industry bonus as a 10% premium, you're essentially paying 10% more minerals for a unit that is 25% stronger. This is similar to the Believers (+25% flat attack bonus), but Morale works on defence too, but does cap out at Elite (+50% bonus). The higher starting morale can snowball too - better units > better chances of victory in combat > surviving to improve morale > better units.In the late game sources of morale boosts are more plentiful so this bonus tapers off somewhat compared to the Believers, but Spartans will maintain a quality advantage through early and mid-game, and 4x games are generally about leveraging your early and mid-game advantages to snowball into the late game anyway. If you're struggling to keep up in the late game you haven't properly exploited the early game.
>>1142297>>1143598Also note that the first unit of a given pattern/design is a prototype, gaining +1 morale but costing 50% more minerals. The bonus morale is added ontop of the standard Spartan bonus, and Spartans pay no extra cost for a prototype. In practice this means that if the Spartans build 5 Impact Rovers and another faction builds 5, they've actually spent a similar amount of minerals overall - the Spartan player has just amortized the cost of the prototype over 5 units. In the early to mid-game the support costs tends to limit the size of armies and you're probably not building units in huge series production, so the Spartans aren't actually all that behind in industrial production. Taken together - the low cost of prototyping, the high qualitative advantage, immediate access to Doctrine: Mobility - the Spartans want to fight short blitz wars that don't get bogged down into attrition. You want to leverage your superior quality and mobility advantages to strike first and get into a feedback cycle of veteran units surviving to become more experienced, rather than trying to grind out your opponent via attrition (like Morgan or Yang).
>>1143598>>1143611What social engineering choices do you run for her?
>>1142239Redpill me on this game, never looked up on it even though I have heard about it a lot.
>>1143720Almost all factions want Democratic/Planned early on as their baseline unless you have a specific strategy in mind or are aiming for something roleplay-focused; with a Children's Creche built you can then grow the population very quickly. Pop growth will give you more pops to harvest resources, build Colony Pods for expansion, turn into specialists to trigger Golden Ages, etc.
>>1143720>>1143761Also, if you're waiting for Social Engineering choices before you fight (and have won) your first war, you're probably not in the Spartan mindset. Frontier/Simple/Survival/None don't give any fancy bonuses, but they also have no penalties, and all of the inherent Spartan bonuses more than set you up to win early wars without any other fancy Social Engineering choices.
>>1143758Its a sequal to Civilization 2 in all but name, but what sets it apart from other games in the Civ series are that it has an overarching story told through the voiceovers on the research discoveries and secret projects (wonders equivalent).The factions are also not based on any nationality or race, but instead ideology; so you have one faction that is a mega monopoly that prefers to amass wealth to buy out your armies from under you and fund vast spy networks, while another is a religious fundamentalist that foregoes research and instead looks to spread their faith by force and plunder the fruits of their rivals efforts.Each faction plays very differently compared to Civ where its a fairly minimal bonus and maybe a unique unit.Oh there's also the fact there's no preset units, instead you get some preset designs but you can mix and match pieces.Want to strap a colony pod on a Needlejet body? It'll cost you but you'll be spitting out new bases all over.Land spy units taking too long for you? Strap them to a destroyer bodyGive zero shits about your reputation? Nerve gas pods for everyone!
Great game, had tons of fun with it back in the day and surprisingly clocked more hours in it now as an grow ass 40 years old adult. It really is a master piece, it's probably in my top 10 best games of all time list.
>>1143758If you can get past the aged graphics, it's worth playing for the quotes, lore, and grainy 1999 videos. It was made during a time when strategy games were still carefully crafted and imparted what the designers intended. Role-playing the factions is to your benefit as you will receive the same treatment back from the AI. Just be sure to use the original SMAC factions, stay away from SMAX for now. Anyway, here's a sampling of what awaits you with the Chairman:>My gift to industry is the genetically engineered worker, or Genejack. Specially designed for labor, the Genejack's muscles and nerves are ideal for his task, and the cerebral cortex has been atrophied so that he can desire nothing except to perform his duties. Tyranny, you say? How can you tyrannize someone who cannot feel pain?
>>1143861Honestly the best thing about SMAC is just holding back until you can make planet busters. Its easy enough to defeat everyone way before that technology is available, but that is depriving yourself is the very best SMAC has to offer. Building a ton of nukes and then just fucking everything up. Everything. Not just exterminating every last faction but also fucking the Planet itself to the point that its littered with craters where massive cities once stood, and everything becomes fungus again. You can watch as your very own people wither and die. I jack off to that shit. Juicy.
>>1143861>Born in Wuhan
>>1142556I grew up on a copy with no cutscenes, so I just click through most of them
>>1143498one lens constantly analyses data and calculates the best way for him to fuck yo bitchthe other side is a spider jerusalem tribute that mostly just streams shitty reality tv>b-b-but Transmetropolitan came after SMACyes but from Zak's perspective it's a classic work from Earth
>>1143861Aki is great, especially for new players
>>1142827It seems like you're right, the land is within a neighboring land city's borders. All my bases in the area are marine so maybe the border calculation state that land belongs to a not so close land base near it.
>>1143534Well fuck me sideways and call me Dierdre, today I learned something. Thanks anon.
>>1143087>plants mind worms inside your brain
>>1143861Don't listen to this guy, the AI won't treat you any differently if you don't role play (lmoa wtf is he even saying) and role playing confers no benefits. From his posts this poster has trouble winning games and barely even understands how to play 4X games, let alone SMAC itself.
>>1144443Pure misinformation. By role-playing you can form unbreakable alliances with various AI factions. The AI will look upon you favorably if you share similar values. The AI will even sneak into your bed at night and give you a blow job. Bad luck if its Yang though.
>>1144454That's not roleplaying, you would make exactly the same decision through a basic understanding of game mechanics. Knowing the AI loves you if you choose their defining ideology is hardly powergaming.
>>1144442God I hate this smug bitch. Give me Col. Corazon any day.
reject humanitybecome tank
>>1144443>d-don't listen to this guy, play as Yang running Fundamentalist and Free Market
>>1144443Depends on the difficulty. Modifiers from Social Engineering choices have a decent enough opinion impact on the lower difficulties. As the difficulty ramps up the aggression of the AI usually ramps up to a level where diplomacy becomes more or less a question of when the next war happens.
Is lal special power only become jack of all trades and being eternal planetary governor? I can't even do the diplomacy play because after some time everyone will declare vendetta on me.. and I haven't even unleash the planet buster.
>>1145170>his people breed like rats somehowi always found it easy to grow my pop pretty quick.
>>1145170+2 hab limit and he gets extra talents or something. it's a good idea to get the Human Genome Project since it also provides an additional talent. then, of course, get the Empath Guild for another double dose of votes.
>>1145170perma-governor means perma commerce and perma spies and if you get empath guild you probably dont even need to lobby other factions for votes anymoreespecially if you leverage your humongous pop per base
>>1142114First, as Yang or any low efficiency playthrough, you pump units, police units to not have to pay for entertainment. No Rec Commons, no Hologram Theatres, No Research Hospitals(until you have Fusion Labs to pay for them). Next you make a hard run for Orbital Power and pump the fuck out of it along with a decent Orbital Food pump to put enough asses on planet to pull down massive energy.Once you do that, you are set until you finish your conquest.If you play Miriam that way you can horde roll just about any one and take their toys as you do so.
>>1145346Orbital stuff is too high up in the tech tree to set as a priority goal from the start. Condenser farms will get you to population max long before that. To make up for low energy income from tiles, Yang should exploit specialists, as they suffer no inefficiency and gain the full benefit of network nodes etc.. Turning drones into specialists also lets you get away with fewer happiness buildings, or even to ignore them completely.
>>1142114Read this guy's Hive playthrough. He seems to have no problems dealing with inefficiency. This is on SMAC not SMAX so there's no inefficiency immunity.http://www.dos486.com/alpha/He also reaches transcendence with Yang faster than probably most posters here have ever reached with Zakharov.Speed running? Yes. But there are lessons there in strategy and gameplay, even without the micro you'll only drop a few turns.>>1144823What the fuck are you even saying? If you're not roleplaying, you would make decisions based on what works. That should be common sense and shuuldn't be such an alien concept you would say garbage like this. Someone claimed you need to learn the basics of 4X games, but clearly what you actually need to learn is the basics of decision-making lmao.
>>1145505...What max?You spawn Colony Pods whenever you hit the local max (7/9/14/16) until you get Hab Domes. You then park the colonists in your primary research, then production bases until you hit the food max for that particular base location. Each new mega city has enough energy to cover 2-4 towns worth of building maintenance.You plow through tech when you have 4 megacities with appropriate labs.Of course you use specialists... what other use do you have for population over 20?
>>1145572I'm just pointing out that you don't need orbital nutrients, and using orbital energy as your go-to plan for getting around Yang's energy penalty is retarded. And that you can use specialists actively and not just in the late game where new citizens default into them.
>>1145587Using them earlier is generally foolish. You need production to make up for all the things you need to produce as Yang. Yang is energy deficient and therefore the loss has to be made up in production, where he is good. You do that by spawning bases to create Colony Pods that you send back to your central bases to make megacities. This techs you like crazy so that your endgame is supported by a huge constellation of satellites. Food to pump your pop numbers even higher and orbital power transmitters to offset the corruption negatives. You can do this in SMAC as well as SMAX.The only retard I see does not seem to know how use the basic production triangle of resources.
>>1145593Hey I'm just trying to suggest things that've worked for me countless times on transcend diffiiculty. You're free to stick to your specific playstyle but if we're discussing strategy, don't be an arrogant cunt about it. Don't say shit like "... what max" and "of course you use specialists" when you just felt the need to suggest using orbital structures, which is something that literally every faction ends up doing no matter what.
>>1145641nta but no one cares about attitude, deal with it you thin-skinned buffoon. He might be an idiot who thinks the way to deal with efficiency is to waste minerals making colony pods to send to the center (lmao), but your strategy is also equally stupid. The correct way to deal with Yang-style inefficiency is to pack your bases as close together as feasibly possible, whether that is ICS or something more flexible. Also to favor energy improving terrain improvements.
>>1145657Lol don't worry, I'm not going to lose sleep over /vst/ autists, whether it's him or >nta. You're right about spamming cities of course. AC is broken to the point that most strategy discussion is just for fun, which is why I wonder why people get so worked up about it. I just like looking for ways to play to faction strengths and figuring out ways to make use of underpowered mechanics like specialists, anything that's viable on transcend is okay with me.
Ah, you are all idiotsJust build needjets = winOr even just impact rovers = win if the map is small enough and not too many islands.You just roll your enemies and keep going. Win win win.Now, once you have done that a few times it gets boring, so then you go back to pissing around min maxing whatever aspects you like for shits and giggles. Then you jerk off to the cut scenes where you have the female faction leaders inside punishment spheres ( unless you are gay and want to jerk it to the male faction leaders instead )
dont care, still playing Gaians because Deirdre is hot
>>1145170Lal snowballs off pop growth - he's a mirror to Yang, who snowballs off industrial production. The Talent bonus is very strong and makes Golden Ages much easier, which lets you grow your pops faster, which gives you more Talents for Golden Ages... Your bigger populations give you a larger share of the vote - and that's before you count the double vote bonus. You don't need to go for a diplomatic victory either - population is a flexible resource that can be turned towards economic activity or industrial output. A good understanding of the game's fundamentals help a lot because the Peacekeepers can flexibly adopt any strategy as needed.Keep in mind than you cannot pacify the AI indefinitely on most difficulties. The AI will always team up on a snowballing leader at the end of the day regardless of ideology - harmonious diplomatic relations are more about managing when that moment comes.
>>1145834The way she pronounce words is oddly soothing
>Economic victory is farming the credits necessary to mindcontrol all remaining settlements>being able to mindcontrol anyone at all isnt considered an atrocity>but nerve stapling isi dont get it
>>1146397>credits to mind control peoplewhere does it say that?
>>1145834Deirdre is best civ girl
>>1145967This must be rigged. I cant believe only 1% voted for Miriam. Okay, she might not have the hottest looks but that is neglecting the ball swelling, cock bursting hotness of having fanatical sex with Christian bitch once you have defeated her and taken her prisoner. All strapped up and naked, writhing in the punishment sphere. Electric shocks wracking her body. All sorts of mind bending drugs being injected directly into her brain stem. Much as she might wish for her Christian God to take her into Heaven she can not die. Then after a few months of that the real horror begins. Mind worms. Mind worms genetically altered to be non-lethal. Specifically trained to engage in tentacle rape. All day, everyday, every single orifice in Miriam's body is incessantly raped by the mind worms. There's nothing pleasant about it. Each penetration is painful and inflicts suffering. Meanwhile stimulant drugs increase Miriam's tactile sensations by a hundred fold. Her suffering is incomprehensible to normal people. Fortunately Miriam is hooked up to auto-medics, which heal infections and physical damage. Miriam will remain in perfect health throughout her agonizing ordeal. From behind a one way mirror you watch her agony, her violation, you laugh. Then one day, after many months of abuse, you stop it. You appear before her exhausted, shaking body in long white flowing robes. You announce that you are Jesus. You have come to save her. Her mind is so fucked up by this point that she will believe you. You tell her that only prayer can save her from the ravages of the mind worms. You tell her that prayer means making you orgasm at the same time she does. You watch as she desperately tears off your clothes and throws her hot naked sweaty body upon you and frantically begins to worship you. "Thank you Jesus! Thank you Jesus!" she screams as she wildly climaxes in unison with your own ejaculation. It will be the most wild, frantic, fanatical sex any man is capable of knowing.
Lock all the faction leaders in a room. Who wins the fist fight?
>>1146541>Everyone's old or a nerdStandoff between Santiago and Yang
>>1146535get help>>1146541Corazon Santiago, easyDeirdre Skye and/or Pravin Lal are probably the ones who goes down first since Deirdre is too pretty and Pravin probably aren't built for brawling Nwabudike Morgan and Prokhor Zhakarov looks like they can handle their own weight but will get tired eventually and fallsMiriam Godwinson may be weak physically but she had that religious zeal about her and probably will take a while to go downSantiago will swoop them all down no contest
>>1146573oh shit I forgot about Yang >>1146577 yea its probably will be between Yang and Santiago
>>1146577I can assure that I do not need any help. I can subdue Miriam quite easily with all my automated machinery and drones. But perhaps that is not what you meant? You mean to say I need help in sexually violating Miriam while being under the guise of being her savior, the Lord Jesus Christ? You sick fuck. That would appeal to you perverted fantasies wouldn't it? You taking her from the rear while I penetrate her from the front. I bet you would wear some sort of Satanic outfit while sodomizing her virgin ass, yelling "THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT!" at the top of your lungs like a Bastard.Pure filth. That's what you are. No sense of decency or decorum. You are really fucked up. Therapy is what you need.
>>1146589>the sum of energy credits roughly equal to the cost to "mind control" every remaining base on Planet.isn't that alluding to the literal action of getting a probe team to mind control a base. seems like more of a metric than actually what happens when you score an economic victory. then again...a scenario where you pay off every probe team on planet to take over in one fell swoop doesn't seem too out of place.
>>1146577>>1146541Bear in mind in 2060 almost everyone is old as shit. Morgan is 55, Lal is 54, Zakharov is 66 and Yang is 61. These guys might have had some kind of hand-to-hand training but they're not physically cut out for this.Miriam is 46 and is a bible nerd. She lets other people do the fighting for her, she just decides if they need to do the fighting or not. I don't imagine she's got a lot of power behind her punches.Aki-Zeta on the flipside is the youngest of the leaders with a known birth date, 32 years old, but she's also a loser. Aki Zeta being a neuron for a central computing facility doesn't bode well for her chances, since she won't be specialized for anything but hardcore mental gymnastics. Fucking Lal or Zakharov would probably body her easily.Domai is 49 and Svensgaard is 42. They look like guys that still have very strong, capable bodies, and one is a drone labor leader and the other is an actual pirate.Dierdre is 35, Santiago is 34, and Roze is 33. Dierdre is a nerd without any kind of martial training, so she loses. Roze is also a nerd, but she's a cyberpunk wannabe so she's probably got some spunk at least. Santiago is a survivalist so she's clearly got a lot of fight training under her belt.Cha Dawn is a FUCKING mushroom.This leaves Domai, Svensgaard, and Santiago as the last 3 standing in the brawl. Then everyone dies because the retarded alien faction leaders can sing the blood cells out of their bloodvessels or something else stupid like that.
>>1146365Deirdre asmr when?
>>1146694>Then everyone dies because the retarded alien faction leaders can sing the blood cells out of their bloodvessels or something else stupid like that.Yeah, I do not understand that "Resonance" actually is either
>>1146694arent they all was supposed to be trained spacemen? I imagine they all would have somewhat rigorous physical training regime.>>1146763I want Deirdre to whisper about the Planet's biology in my ears
>>1146910>arent they all was supposed to be trained spacemen?I make an assumption that spaceman training doesn't typically translate into CQC.
>>1146915lol fair enough
whats with the sudden interest in SMAC?thread hit bump limit faster than usual in the last weekanyway, has it ever been explained why Gaians decided to just steamroll Spartans to hell? Spartans didnt even see it coming until it was too late and half of their population got their brains melted by mindworms.
>>1147089Deirdre has to snuff off her beauty rival. Fucking women, man.
>>1147089Network Node quoteI assume Santiago sent out raiding parties to Gaian bases (Spartans start with a rover) so Deirdre responded by sending out waves of cheap mindworms until everysingle Spartan was deadNever forget how clinical and detached her tone was as she described the decimation of Spartanshttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2L5JgTkxAkg
>>1147089You think something like an explanation can come out of someone cobbling together a bunch of tech quotes to make a narrative that became memetic? Hah!
>>1147198>Mary had a little lamb,Little lamb little lamb,Mary had a little lamb,whose fleece was white as snow.>Assassins' Redoubt, Final Transmission
>>1147198jeez, and people thought Gaians is the hippie faction
>>1147901They're the hippies that weren't pacified with LSD.
>>1147913LSD only pacifies you if you were already a pussy
>>1147916That doesn't invalidate my statement.
>>1147918it wasn't meant to, it was an add-on
>>1147753Yeah, that's the one. But the one which basically spells it out for you is the quote accompanying building Headquarters which you will rarely hear of course>As we approached, we were confronted with the ruined splendor of Sparta Command. The true immensity of the place became instantly apparent as our Quantum Tank crunched over the rubble and parked next to a shattered bunker, but the extent of the destruction took weeks to assess. The shielded datacore had sustained several massive breaches and smoke still billowed from the numerous cannon ports. There were few signs of human life.>Lady Deirdre Skye, "Our Secret War"
>>1147089Spartans are kinda retarded so it makes sense they were among the first to die.
>>1147753Btw about Dream Twister, I'm watching the secret project video and the Neural Amplifier and I thought Dream Twister come first because it seems like the OG one while the Neural Amplifier video is a parody of it. But the tech heavily implies that Neural Amplifier should obviously comes first. What gives? Design change somewhere?
>>1148106I think Neural Amplifier comes after Dream Twister, maybe the Spartans had learned their lesson with the fall of Assassin's Redoubt?
>>1143923most based post ever
Spartans dying like that didn't sit well with me. Their entire gimmick is survival and every civilian is supposed to be militarily capable, they would have at least prepared for having to fight worms and other human factions as well.
>>1148170Brian Reynolds clearly didn't like the Spartans. It can't be helped.
>>1148170the thing is Spartans were unprepared against the non-humans threat. I dont think anyone would've been prepared against Mindworms and Dream Twisters.
>>1148170Me too. Especially since their Morale boost makes them the best faction at fighting mindworms.
>>1148189Yeah pretty much, plus the Neural Amplifier came later as a result of the mindworm threat
>>1148189Ironically they are the second/best faction innately best prepared to fight mindworms in general because of their morale boost. Only Gaiains arguably do it better, and that's only because of the guaranteed capture and planet rating snowballing into a mindworm army.
>>1148199I meant in-lore, I believe this post >>1148170refers to the 'canon' story where Spartans gets btfo by Gaians through mindworms swarm
>>1148170If Spartans were properly modeled against mindworms, every population would be an arbitrary number of military units since all you need is a flamethrower to beat them. It can be assumed that the other factions ban civilians carrying flamethrowers so even a civilian who maintains their mind would be helpless before them, but the Spartans? Nah. But then that would make them basically invincible against mindworms.
>>1148216That's just your head canon. The tech quotes themselves say nothing about how unprepared they were.
>>1148271The interludes and the citizens' defence force project make clear that you must go on the offensive first, otherwise you're going to get swarmed no matter how prepared you think you are. The "recon rover into a fungal vortex" quote is the icing on the cake.
>>1148116That's what make sense, but Neural Amplifier comes with Neural Grafting which is Conquer 4 while Dream Twister comes with Will to Power which is fucking Explore 9. Maybe amplifier is only really good against native attack while completely useless against a weaponized one.
>>1148541All these gymnastics just so that you can stretch the meaning of unprepared so that you won't be wrong lol.
>Weather Paradigm voiceover is a Gaian prayer not to fuck up Planet's environment like we fucked up Earth's>Weather Paradigm unlocks boreholes way ahead of time which we can construct faster
>>1148749Yes, Gaian's Planet SE bonus means they can get away with more terraforming before pissing off Planet. They use ecologically friendly construction techniques which means each enhancement damages the environment less than how other factions build their enhancements. That's why it's described as Ecological Safeguards / Harmony / Wisdom.
Is there no distinction between a Pact signed because they surrendered to you, or because their backs are to the wall against an enemy and they swear a Pact with you so you join their fight, and an alliance met as "equals"?Because the former situations are like a vassal-overlord one right? As in the AI wont ever break the Pact? Or can an AI that surrenders and Pacts with you eventually decide on their own to break the alliance?
>>1148558yeah that's right I won the internet argument, my mum is super proud of me.
>>1148170I like to think of it like Harry Harrison's first Deathworld novel, where yeah they're doing crazy shit like training kids to shoot from before they can stand and systematically breeding as fast as humanly possible and reaching hitherto-unknown heights of human perfection but it's still not enough, they're still getting ground down by sheer weight of numbers
>>1148790>Or can an AI that surrenders and Pacts with you eventually decide on their own to break the alliance?I swear to god this has happened to me but it was long enough ago that I don't feel confident in declaring it 100%
>>1145709>needjets = winit does, unless you are fighting someone who has a better tech + city defenses. Then you need at least 5-10 jets to take one of their units, which quickly hampers any of your assault capabilities after taking 2-3 cities
>>1148790Miriam was 100% loyal and did everything I told her to the few times I needed her.Of course I was much stronger in every way though.According to the wiki>When a faction surrenders to another faction during a vendetta the state is a special type of pact. The faction that surrendered cannot break the pact and will do anything that the other faction asks.
>>1148960Can i demand someone to surrender? Or i just have to grind them hard until they give up or sent to punishment sphere?
>>1148996As I recall, you just have to keep fighting them. You can't demand it.If they contact you and offer concessions to end the war, but you refuse AND they are broken, then they will subsequently offer their surrender.
>>1149179wow. everytime I got that dialogue about swearing to be a pact brother/sister I was always like 'yeah whatever' and just finished them off. How viable is it to turn factions into vassals at the early point of the game and them either wait for them to get stronger or explicitly uplift them so they harrass other factions and keep you safe?
>>1149215In my game Miriam harassed other weaker neighbors like Morgan and Lal. She expanded into the sea and immediately joined in when I eventually fought the Hive too. I just threw her tech from time to time to keep her on par with the others. You get guaranteed votes from them too.Don't know how exactly viable this is, but it was more fun than me owning and managing everything by myself.
>>1148960They can break the pact if you commit atrocities against them like nerve stapling base that you took from them earlier
>>1149239Sounds based. I'd be worried about making her too strong. But I suppose it would still be a fun fight anyways.
>>1149833I dont get it
>>1150179It looks like the Spartans are winning the war against the Gaians. I guess to annoy the schizo Gaian poster who really hates Spartans and will mention the canon timeline at every opportunity despite no one asking.
>>1149833Why is the random map generator so terrible? I always end up playing on huge map of planet.
>>1149833uranium flats AND garland crater... AND it looks like you are about to capture the Citizens' Defense Force... whew boy that's gg Spartans
>>1149215There are 4 reasons to consider whether to accept a surrender pact:1. Do they have a secret project that would be hugely beneficial? You won't get it if they get to keep their remaining bases.2. Do you have high commerce rating? You can gain large economic bonuses for your biggest cities (which is generally a force multiplier if they're developed).3. Are they far from your HQ? The bases might not give much energy anyways if it's all lost to inefficiency4. Do they offer some unique bonus? Lal can be valuable for his vote multiplier, zhakarov and morgan for their research. For example, a miriam with an early zhakarov thrall is insanely powerful.5. How much do you want to subject the leader to your rape dungeon.
>>1148749It's like whispering sweet poetry while you drill your dick in their ass without consent. It calms them down and makes the experience more harmonic.
I suppose its by design but i want to make sureDo you really have to have your unit physically check into a certain base to reposition that unit's home base?So like if i have a base with a gorillion surplus minerals, i still cant leash a unit built on the other end of my territory to that base to support it?I feel like it kind of makes Command Nexus super duper important because you cant actually specialize one or two bases to churn out unitsAlso sort of knocks onto the weird thing about how food yield is per-base instead of faction-wideYou can't for example have a farming settlement with lots of rainy tiles 'pay' for the pop in a settlement with a lot of minerals, or vice versa and pay 'labor' in the mineral town to construct shit in the farming townIm pretty darn sure at least one of these things was done in Civ4 but then done away with by 6 lmao
>>1150845>Do you really have to have your unit physically check into a certain base to reposition that unit's home base?Yes.>i still cant leash a unit built on the other end of my territory to that base to support it?You can, but you need to have it physically go to that base.>You can't for example have a farming settlement with lots of rainy tiles 'pay' for the pop in a settlement with a lot of minerals, or vice versa and pay 'labor' in the mineral town to construct shit in the farming townThat's where supply crawlers come in. Build a supply crawler in the farming town, drive it to the mining town, and tell it to convoy food. This brings 1 food per turn from the farming town to the mining town. Repeat with more supply crawlers until the mining town has enough food per turn. Doing the opposite, building a supply crawler in the mining town and sending it to the farming town and telling it to deliver minerals, means your workers in the mining town are using their labor to build things faster in the farming town.
>>1150858Oh shit, thats what the convoy function does?Shame its just 1 resource, but i guess that doesnt interfere with a base working a relevant tile for more than just one resource type..
>>1146397I always assume mind controlling is just bribing the executing officers and maybe some propaganda in case of subverting bases.Though knowing SMAC it is quite possible it is far more sinister than that.
>>1150919I don't think they thought it through. They just wanted to call the bribery of previous Civilization games something different with a sci-fi flavor. It wouldn't make sense for it to be literally mind-control, so in my head at least, it's still bribery.
Can you release previously conquered faction leaders from the clutches of the faction that conquered them? I have some vague recollection of probe teams being able to affect a rescue operation but I never pulled it off.
>>1150866It is just one, but that's what boreholes and condensers are for. If you hard tunnel your tiles you're really only losing out on a few points of whatever other resource they would have produced, and since you can move your workers to specialists once you crawl you can come out pretty darn far ahead from it.
>Aquafarm and Thermocline Transducers work on crawler/(t)rawler tilesi heard water was worth fuckall in original SMAC but SMAX really pumped that shit to 11This is Merchant Exchange but for every coastal base
>>1150845Yeah command nexus is one of the best projects. All every base receives x are hugely valuable.It also means you won't have to pay the maintenance fee. So it's also an extra energy per base per turn. Which is why the virtual world is so good (essentially a 3 energy upkeep facility for free per base).
>>1150919>>1150922To be entirely fair, there is a mind-machine interface device that pops up for copters. That means its been around for a fair while by the endgame and its openly a military technology, so its not impossible it might be more properly described as mind controlling all the military on planet plus whatever civilians have an interface. From there its just mop up and consolidation.>>1150957Yes. iirc you need to target either the defeated capitol or the capitol of the person who eliminated them for the mission to even pop up, and its a pretty low chance of success.
>>1150957Yes, but this feature was added in SMAX, and you can only do this by infiltrating the victorious faction's Headquarters.
>>1151085>>1151086NeatDo you get a permanent pact member out of it though?
>>1150845Btw how do I reposition unit's home base? I don't found it in the menu or internet.
>>1151362Move unit to the base, right click > Support from here.
>>1151404From clicking around I found that the menu text is "set home base"
How the fuck do you protect against planetbusters? I was playing as lal, trying for an economic victory. The huge world was divided into hive, spartans, believers and peacekeepers, where everyone was at vendetta with each other.I was running free market and had 7 large cities with treefarms, and a huge sprawling empire that was about 1/3rd of the map. To attack, I had to build consecutive sea bases so I wouldn't be wrecked by drones for having units away from base.The hive also had a 3rd of the map and had just overtaken me in population. We were constantly retaking one or two border cities. As he was continually throwing conventional missiles at scout patrols, I figured I'd grind him down as I was beelining for cloning vats.But then as I'm halfway with the cloning vats, and despite not having a base anywhere near, he planet busts my headquarters. Despite being on a mountain, the city is now gone underwater. Wtf.Can you defend against planet busters? How the fuck did he get infinite movement on it?
I DO NOT give a FUCK about what you think of the quality of the expansion content, the free drones are the best faction in the gamehttps://youtu.be/2t7Y5k9OIdg
How the fuck do i corner the energy market when the market keeps crashing and left me only a quarter of my money??
>>1151580You can't do economic victory with random effects on. I warned about this in the previous thread.
>>1150919>I always assume mind controlling is just bribing the executing officers and maybe some propaganda in case of subverting bases.That's exactly how GURPS explains "mind control". Bribery and propoganda
>>1151451afaik satellite defenses are the only thing that will attempt* to block a pb.
Who's going to win this one?
>>1151689ummm... looks like it isn't me.I've played this game for years and never had this bug once before.
if im supposed to always keep building bases how do i deal with the drones from total bases?
>>1151804Couple of strategic options:1. Drone Mitigation:*Paradigm economy. High efficiency seriously reduces the amount.*Virtual world + network node + recreation commons reduces 4 drones per base.*Doctors and empaths. If you have sufficient food production, it's okay to have a couple of cits that just produce psych2. High Octane MarketRun Free Market (or wealth with morgan) and use 20-40% of energy to Psych allocation in the social engineering screen.This generally helps bigger bases more than smaller ones, so it's not uncommon to have some golden age cities, and struggling border cities.3. Drones? What Drones?Run police state, design "police scout patrols" and have a police force sufficient to just remove all drones.4. Nerve stapling.Just nerve staple them forever. What could go wrong?
>>1151099I don't think so, I think they're just free and restarted essentially. It can be alright if you're trying to hurt someone far away or who has their own island and you want to create an enemy for them to make a two front war or something.>>1151451Orbital defense pods all have a 50% chance to block them in exchange for their life on any base. So you're never 100% safe, but you can get pretty close if you have a lot of orbital defenses. But realistically you need like 3 or 4 minimum to be "safe" and you'll want to quickly replace those that die or have some extras in case they decide to spam busters and break through your defenses all in one turn. Also worth mentioning you can only launch one orbital defense per turn, so you have to plan ahead.>>1151804Turn them into specialists or up psych spending. There are a few secret projects that help a lot too, like human genome or planetary transit. The two ways you can transition to lategame base building is to either convert the rioting drones into specialists and replace their tile yields with crawlers. Alternatively, you can get enough talents to offset the drones via psych spending. Human genome gives you a free talent in every base, goes a looong way toward offsetting the amount of spending you have to do. Planetary transit makes it so bases at 3 or less won't riot so as long as you're okay keeping the bases tiny and starving you can just ignore drones.
>>1151829As Morgan i snagged virtual world and genome project and upgraded to police scouts when i researched the tech for it. It seems i can hit 9 pop atm before drones outnumber talentscan Morgan shift the energy slider and still afford raking in cash and research? ive actually never much touched the social engineering sliders on the bottom. ive never even pop boom'd except accidentally with Lal since you dont have to shift sliders for talents with him
>>1151835>can Morgan shift the energy slider and still afford raking in cash and research?Depends on how much useful vs. useless infrastructure you have. Also how your tiles around your cities are developed. You can shift the sliders and see what the result would be (how much energy per turn, how often discoveries, what the drones in bases would look like).But yeah, once I start building hab complexes, psych spending is a typical way to control the drone population. A good morgan will still outtech and energy everyone else.
I've heard that supply crawler is OP and ai don't use them so someone also don't want to use them. Is it true?
>>1151804>if im supposed to always keep building basesAre you supposed to always keep building bases?Can't you just build 4/8/12 bases, say "fuck it" and focus on growing those cities?
>>1152452you can do whatever you want, even a one city challengebuilding more bases makes things easier
>>1148790>>1148960If its noted that pacts signed because of surrender are permanent, is there anything about pacts signed because they are losing a war? Will they turn on you after you help them win the war since they get more bases or arent under assault etc. This is asking on Transcend difficulty where apparently everyone will try to kill each other eventually >>1152345Supply crawlers and terraforming in general is pretty cool but also AI isnt smart enough to combine their potential, which makes them "OP" even on transcendBut some factions like Morgan Industries seem designed to use crawlers in lieu of pops though, especially since they research crawler tech easiest
>>1152452There's basically two "optimal" strategies.One is ICS, doesn't really need explaining, but if you don't know what it is, just google it. Alpha Centauri has some of the strongest incentives for ICS ever made in any 4X, because of all the per-base bonuses that can be set up via social engineering, buildings, wonders etc.The other is building to a certain point, then explosively growing via population boom. I don't think there is a name for this, other than calling it pop-booming and hoping the other guy understands you're talking about the strategy and not the mechanic from context.ICS is a lot stronger militarily and easier to manage. Pop-boomers would prefer peace until they finish the booming stage. Most casual players will play a style somewhere between these two extremes, but can easily pick up both styles, as ICS can be thought of as playing with the intent of never moving out of the early-expansion phase, while pop booming is just an extra mechanic to be used during the post-expansion phase.>>1152479Pacts are only ever signed from losing a war, as a last resort, usually when they're down to their last few bases and have lost their entire military. Pact is not an alliance, it's a vassalage-slavery. A disparity in military force will not break it.
>>1152485I build the cloning vat and I expect population boom but somehow I don't see it? What does it mean actually? Some of my bases still have +9 nutrients and they still grow normally.
>>1152485>Pact is not an alliance, it's a vassalage-slavery.Really? Doesnt seem to be any other kind of alliance though other than pact. Treaty is only trade rights and i-wont-murder-you-for-now type agreementOr does diplomacy limitations in Transcend mean for all intents and purposes the only time an AI ever signs a pact is to become a vassal?
>>1152526Okay, looking at AC2 wiki, there seems to be a difference in terms of their attitudeA pact that turns a faction into a vassal turns their diplomatic attitude to SubmissiveI test things and signed a pact with someone who is being buttpounded by another faction and went to me for help but they went from Solicitous (i guess because they were being buttpounded) to Maganimous instead, which seems to be the max positive attitude by an AISo geopolitically speaking it might be good to garner a pact signed by an AI on the ropes, but never actually help them get a leg up and eventually fully triumph over their enemy. Just fight them hard enough for the AI to be locked in stalemate, otherwise they will take out bases and territory and could conceivably become stronger than you and because their relative strength finally rises in comparison to you relations will sour (or hell they dont even have to be stronger in order to be belligerent because of the difficulty setting)
>>1152526Sorry, my mistake, I speedread your post and thought you were talking about surrender pacts. As far as I know, the AI will not try to find an ally in the middle of a war just because they are losing, although it might coincidentally look like that because for example, the AI will ally against a common enemy, or band together against a stronger enemy. The AI only ever breaks a standard pact if they start hating you (you are stronger, their mood goes sour, social policies mismatch).>>1152509What's their population?
>>1152538I cant rub my two braincells together in a way that lets me figure my way out of thisI really want to get vassals if i can because i like huge maps and theres plenty of room anyway. it makes commerce really strong and probably makes diplomatic victory trivial tooIt would be super great if you could get vassals by being their benefactor saving them from being conqueredOtherwise you get a vassal by letting that faction get conquered, hope they respawn on some island or out of the way place you wouldnt bother building up anyway, and then attack them in their weakened state so they surrender to youIf i help a faction losing a war and cut up the aggressor's lands or force the aggressor's surrender, the faction im helping will eventually go hostile to me and i have to fight again to force them to submit outright, instead of submitting in the first place
>>1152624Zhakarov was losing to the spartans, so I sniped zhakarovs capital with a transport and 4 missile speeders. Then he surrendered to me.This game doesn't respect the white knights, it rewards realpolitik.
>>1152637Ironically it was realpolitik that i had in mind when i wanted to balance the weaker faction against the strong one>Your balls are in a vice, bend your knee or you'll die anywayBut i guess ambushing someone on the losing end of a war gives the same result
>>1141027anybody got this working on steam deck, wondering if I should try
Can you savescum a turn so that a faction leader survives with an escape pod instead of being captured?
>>1153195ive reloaded some ten times and its always eradicationi understand escaping is more likely early on, but i dunno if its just reduced to a small chance mid-game (its past 100 turns) or a flat zero chance>>1151834i found one offhand forum post saying you get a free Submitted ally if you free themNow i'm trying to find some evidence either way...
>>1153212alright, fucking around with scenario editor tells me that pulling an Otto Skorzeny gives me a submissive ally so they wont ever stab me in the back for saving their assesnicenow if i want to do this legitimately i have to insert a team literally halfway across the world...
>>1153224>mission impossibledoing zany shit like that is what having fun is all about though!question: if you rescue them, do they just spawn a new city somewhere? i know you could transfer colony pods to them or some such, but they need territory for that first, no?
>>1152624To be fair, nations that try your strategy historically don't end up with vassals. They end up with Communist Russia, special relationship UK/EU, and a cold war. And really even as much as the US has influence over Europe the immediate aftermath of WWII was France leaning toward social democracy along with a whole pile of other smaller european nations and Churchill getting voted out of office. Today the EU is very much not a US vassal, despite the US essentially being the benefactor you're talking about. Meanwhile, Japan completely surrendered and might as well be an American military vassal.Also, fwiw, you can actually convince non-vassals to vote for you as supreme leader. You just can't get it guaranteed unless you beat them into submission. If you did swoop in to save someone there's a decent chance it would work out like you want more or less.
>>1153322They respawn at a random area just like if they escaped normallyI think depending on how far the game is they respawn with more colony pods and formers and troopsSeems like the very turn they come back you can give them a colony right there, before they settle down. i didnt know you could give vehicles or colony pods to allies thoughI assume it would fuck their AI up if you gave them a base one place but they spawned all their colony pods somewhere else, especially if they are separated by water
>Get ready to mount an assault to force a quick surrender before they get eradicated by an AI>SunspotsOf course.How could be any other way?
>>1153469>Can't communicate with the faction a tile away from your base>Can, however, continue commerce with bases on the side of the planetWhat did Ryan mean by this
>>1144442Deirdre doesn't know how to smile, fake picture
>>1153702shut up Santiago
>>1153337Thats fair. I guess i misinterpreted the a faction's sudden willingness to do business with me right before being eliminated by AI just like how they behave right before being eliminated by the player themself.i wouldnt mind creating allies on an equal basis, and having an AI alliance forged with war, if i didn't assume because of how difficulty settings are arranged in so many games that the AI can never ever be trusted at max difficulty unless they literally cannot, like via a vassalage thing. It doesnt pay to make allies that will just wardec you 20 turns after a war is concluded because fuck you its max difficulty.
>>1155483I haven't managed to keep them for a supreme leader vote on the hardest difficulty, but I have managed it on whatever the one just below it is. Honestly though at the highest level diplomacy isn't really about alliances but rather just delaying war declarations as long as possible and that's true across all 4x games regardless of what it is or who makes it.
>>1146535WTF? I want to play smac again and experience this fantasy!
rip smac thread
>>1141999Yang cannot go below 0 efficiency. For this reason you are encouraged to jack the fuck up every single thing that increases inefficiency because he can just keep trucking along. Yang will almost always run a Planned economy Police State, and will spam the fuck out of cities in every available space making him extremely tenacious and likely the biggest pain in your ass endgame of the original factions.
>>1142239When I was a kid I used to think Yang was a disembodied head mounted to a flyer, and just always assumed that. I didn't realize until like 5 or 6 tucking years ago that it's just his suit, when I did I felt like a total dumbass.
>>1143611This poster has a huge brain and if I played against him I would quit to save myself the embarrassment of the same shit Zakharov build I have played every game for the past 20 years
>>1142548It sucks that the AI fails to use Morgan well. This motherfucker always fails early, I want to see him make it to endgame. Sometimes I give him gifts just to let him last until 2200, the poor bastard
>>1142556In every single Civ game I always try to get every single wonder, even ones I don't need. SMAC's cutscenes were the absolute coolest shit, I can't believe Firaxis lost the kind of imaginative talent they had in coming up with this shit. Beyond Earth could have been so fucking great, instead it was just boring and drab.
>>1142663>I mean what does SMAX offers that SMAC doesn't besides the obvious, it runs on a different exe plus some mods only support SMAX, so im just curious if there is any difference there maybe engine update or something?SMAX offers new techs, Secret Projects, units, buildings, and 7 new factions from which to choose. The wonderful thing about SMAX is you can play with all of the 7 original factions with updated material or any mix and match of the new ones. There is absolutely no reason to play SMAC if you have SMAX.
>>1157898>There is absolutely no reason to play SMAC if you have SMAX.What if I want to play as the original factions without the new techs, secret projects, or units?
>>1157903Then you are denying yourself better content for no reason. The extra content is not bloated at all, it's objectively better in every single way. As someone who played SMAC quite a bit before moving onto SMAX, it is better in every metric, there is no reason to play it after you have the expansion.
>Future wonders include Human Genome Project and Large Hadron Collider>Future techs include things that manipulate strings i.e. referring to String Theoryalmost feels like retro-futurism at this point
>>1157892I had a Morgan start in the Monsoon JungleHe got a thick mass of bases crammed in there, got stronk, and even managed to beat me to Merchant Exchange and Planetary Energy GridRNG fucked a large part of the monsoon jungle with an earthquake tho
>>1157895BE was doomed from the start>factions are based on hypothetical post-collapse nations that managed to send a colony ship off-world>endgame depends on those colony ships evolving towards one of three separate futures that make their original national identity irrelevantAlpha Centauri would've been terrible if they tried to pull the same shit
How many boreholes should i be making per base? Am i really supposed to turn poor Planet into fuckin swiss cheese?
I don't really have any idea what I'm doing. I'm just settling every fancy space and try to build as good as possible while seeing my neighbors trying and succeeding to take my border cities. But for some reason my graph keeps getting up and up faster than the others and for some reason now I can invade them back. What did I do better then AI?
>>1158112Tbf the very quote that's in String Theory is Zakharov lamenting that even though the theory is beautiful, it's inapplicable irl. Also the HRC wonder maybe much much bigger than our current one. the human genome project is indeed an oof tho.
>>1141027I'll be honest, I tried playing this a couple of times and got filtered.
>>1158399Sorry to hear that. What dissuaded you?
>>1158401Hard to say 'cause my last attempt was years ago but I'm guessing it was the combination of the game feeling dated in many ways and feeling like my game stagnated as I didn't know if I was doing the correct things or not.I never got far into the game before quitting. I also can't get rid of the voice in my head telling me to try again.
>>1158414>it was the combination of the game feeling dated in many waysI guess that is true, but i am really glad i got over that.I found learning some keyboard shortcuts (i. e. common actions for common unit types) made the game much more enjoyable.>feeling like my game stagnated as I didn't know if I was doing the correct things or notIt doesn't play significantly different than other civ and 4x games, but if there are no other factions near you, it can get bit lonely? And you can hit tech plateau of you play tech retarded factions.
>>1158414So the dated graphics are just something you have to get acquired to. The graphics weren't exactly beautiful even on release, though I liked the artstyle immensely and how alien everything looked. As for your game stagnating, you essentially need to play it like Civilization II with caveats. Like Civilization II, you need to balance food production and shields production to grow your cities. Also like Civilization II, you need to increase trade, which in this game is denoted as energy. Like its predecessor, at the end of every turn excess energy is then siphoned off to be applied towards researching technology. Most of the game is centered around researching new technologies that unlock various social policies or units that let you exploit your faction leader's special abilities or cover their weaknesses, or whatever terrain options you have.For example, let's go with one of the more common starting Civs, Zakharov. At the start of the game, he has an automatic +2 to Research, which imparts a 20% increase in research output. In addition, all his bases start off with a Network Node, a building that increases lab output 50%. That means that if you so choose when starting, whatever energy you pour into research will yield much greater per turn returns on your investment. However, at the same time he has one extra unhappy citizen for each 4 population, represented in the game as drones --unhappy citizens that revolt and destroy buildings. As a result, a player using Zakharov will have to build more facilities that make citizens happier, such as a Recreation Commons, or allocate workers to "cancel out" drones as Doctors.Just try to look at the basics of your faction and then lean into it until you get a better feeling of the mechanics. Play on lower difficulties if you need to so you can get a feel for the technologies and buildings. A lot of what makes the game truly interesting are the tech and building quotes and the excellent writing and voice acting.
>>1158391they were unable to code the AI to terraform well so on average you will be able to gather more food/minerals/energy for the same population than the AIapparently the Thinker AI mod fixed that
>>1141184Was it the PRACX mod that lets me see 'high res' versions of units that i can zoom in and they are still high res?Is there no project underway to try and do the same with map sprites or terrain?
>>1158414read a guide before you start again
>>1158763>Was it the PRACX mod that lets me see 'high res' versions of units that i can zoom in and they are still high res?pretty sure yea its PRACX>Is there no project underway to try and do the same with map sprites or terrain?I think map and terrain sprites is hardcoded within the engine, not sure
I get Weather Paradigm and build boreholes and condensers everywhere but somehow sometimes I get 6 mineral/food and sometimes I don't? What gives? I would understand if I don't get 6 resource at all because some tech lift some restrictions or something but strangely some of my cities do get the enormous 8 minerals long beforehand.
>>1159237resource restrictions don't apply if the square has a non-terrain resource bonusie uranium flats, geothermal shallows, etc doesn't lift the restriction, but nutrient resources, mineral resources, and energy resources doesthe caps will also be removed as you unlock later terraforming tech, it's just normally condensers and boreholes aren't available until you've already eased or are about to ease the caps so it doesn't come up much outside of TWPthis also extends to less than ideal tiles, ie a rocky, mineral resource square will still break the cap if you put a mine and road on it instead of a borehole
>>1151471https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXRYuQsg4Gwhere's a better version
>>1159281Thanks! Where tf on the data links you're even supposed to know that?
>>1159281Mineral resources on rocky squares are amazing because you can get 7 production in one square at the very beginning jump on that shit right away with crawlers
>>1158150When it comes to eco damage, there are only two positions. None at all, or literally as much as you can possibly create. So either turn planet into swiss cheese or don't, but don't do anything by half measures.
>>1159679I think according to borehole rules if i had full access to all 20 squares on a base i can make 6 boreholes, 1 on each side and 2 on top and bottom and vice versaImagining that and all the condenser farms surrounding it to support 6 pops on the boreholeshow many locusts will that get me
>>1159687ugh i realized i have to flatten the piss out of everything just to be able to lay out 6 boreholes in a tight space
What is the definition of a "slope"?
>>1159691Every square next to a potential borehole site must be at or above that site's 1000-meter elevationi.e. if a square is 1123m high, no neighboring squares can be below 1000m above sea level in order to drill a hole thereso its easiest to find borehole sites just by looking for <1000m tiles
>>1159691asians, but it's anachronistic you don't hear it much these daysthe connecting tile between two tiles that fall into different height brackets
>>1159598I don't believe it's listed anywhere
>it's a China raises a land bridge to annex more territory episode
A weird thing in the same screenshot is that after I retook U.N. Social Council from Yang and returned it to Lal, all my troops around it for some reason got teleported out into my territory despite the fact that we have a pact.
>>1159835Wait they really can do it? Miriam own neighboring island and take one of my city and after I take it back I'm confused that now there's land bridge between my city and her island.
>>1159907Yeah, I distinctly remember Yang taking Deirdre's base on his island, and when he attacks Lal, I suddenly notice it's a single landmass now.>Miriam own neighboring island and take one of my cityI managed to lose 3 of my bases over the span of basically two turns because I had barebones 1/2/1 police defenders, and all my rovers were away in the south.First University instantly takes the base with the Exchange (before I could capture his own HQ across the strait to take Virtual World). At the same turn Miriam advances a trooper towards the base with Weather Program, and lands next to Morgan Aerodynamics. Then she simultaneously takes both bases, calls the planetary council, and votes me out of the governor position. Miriam and Zach both lead with about >60 votes, and I can't bribe anybody, because my pact brothers - Lal and Deirdre - vote for Zach, and Santiago and Yang vote for University. Out of two evils I chose the least and vote in Zakharov (I checked his bases beforehand while I had infiltration and saw that he kills himself with war weariness from democracy).I retook two cities in the core, and thanked that I had enough sense to give in to Santiago's demands to keep her off my ass despite the fact that I adopted wealth civic.
>>1158763The units are all voxel models instead of just 2D sprites like everything else.
>>1159944>because my pact brothers - Lal and Deirdre - vote for Miriam
>>1159944>At the same turn Miriam advances a trooper towards the base with Weather Program, and lands next to Morgan Aerodynamics. Then she simultaneously takes both bases, calls the planetary council, and votes me out of the governor position. Miriam and Zach both lead with about >60 votes, and I can't bribe anybody, because my pact brothers - Lal and Deirdre - vote for Zachlmao get machiavelli'd nerdseriously though gj cause I would've raged out at that point
>>1159907Weather paradigm lets you raise/lower before appropriate techs come out. You can use this to be a huge asshole and drown enemy bases if you're particularly psychopathic in the earlygame or if they just don't have a navy. It also has a lot of cool applications if you're not particularly afraid of mircomanaging because you can create rings of water/land to build nearly impregnable islands too or wall an opponent in if they're trying to start their water expansion in a bay.>>1159687>>1159688That sounds about right. Its a pretty large investment of former time, but it does pay off. Particularly if you use crawlers. Also, don't think about it as how many locusts, but how many free xp levels for your units and free credits you get from harvesting dead aliens corpses.
>>1160098>seriously though gj cause I would've raged out at that pointWell, I find it therapeutic not to savescum and deal with consequences of your (in)actions. Makes for an interesting game, stimulates you to think, and personally helps to deal with anxiety over real life regret.
How do I know efficiency growth etc etc for each base? Is building children creche actually matters when playing yang police state planned?
luv SMACXate BEsimple as
Why the fuck does enemy able to mind control a city that I just freshly invade AND ALL THE INVASION FORCE THAT I SEND THERE???? Do they make the mind control more expensive? I at least will be fine if this action drains his entire treasury or something.
>>1162987Saved.>>1162554Take your general score from the social engineering tab, and add manually effects from applicable projects/facilities/golden age periods.
>>1162554P.S.>Is building children creche actually matters when playing yang police state planned?No. Even you will be running knowledge and cybernetic for +3 efficiency, children creche will add only +1, which still will be cancelled out by -4 from planned/police.
>>1148754>ecologically friendly borehole construction techniquesSounds like elves selling ethical wood.
>>1162554>growthIn the top-left part of the base info panel, you'll see some green squares. By default, you should have 10 columns of boxes going across. If there are less than 10, each box missing is 1 Growth mod. For example, if there's 8 boxes in each row, that means that base has a total of +2 Growth, or 20% faster growth.
>>1163074Should've sent some defensive probes.
>>1158397I think the human genome project in the game isn't just the decoding, but the application of eugenic processes to better society. Hence the extra talent at every base.
>>1151471Cool song anon. Take this one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w34fSnJNP-4
>Pirate SMAX because i get the itch to play>completely forget i already had the game legit on GoG
>>1162987Who's the guy in camo in the back?Where's the Santiago?
>>1164972Ah. Am i missing something, or is it just not very funny?
Sinder a cute. A CUTE!
>>1141046>>1141445I don't know why I did this.
>>1165300here take some santi
>>1164979The meme involves tracing over characters from a game. In the original scene, it's a guy punching a kid, and they're tracing so they aren't going to redraw it to be Santiago's body.
>>1165255sinder rose nah son sinder dick picks
>>1159944So, over the next 30 turns or so I1. auto-destroyed Believers' base on my mainland;2. captured the Uni base next to the isthmus between the mainland and eastern peninsula;3. retook former Morgan Aerodynamics from Miriam with landed rovers;4-5. took out Zach's and Miriam's sea bases with a few rogue foils that escaped Miriam's missile cruisers. Trying to hold onto bases in the middle of hostile waters, open to attacks from every single direction, would require sinking enormous resources for no reason, so I gifted them to Deirdre. I knew she and Miriam are best buddies, so it's a much safer way to deny them to Believers.Now I contemplate the plan to land on the forest west of Believers' HQ (5 tiles away from my port which is a 1 turn-voyage for transport cruisers) and take it out with my rovers.
>>1166071I took out Uni's HQ with Virtual World by basically two rovers, but failed the attack and had to retreat. Zach was sending over chaos infantry when I barely discovered missiles, but without mobility they are just as lousy under counterattack, so whatever. Thanks to Doctrine: Initiative traded from Deirdre, I just started building amphibious infantry to take over Zach's bases without exposing myself to land attacks.
>>1165300Now you have made her look like Kim Jong-un's sister. HOT!>>1165308OH GOD! YOU BASTARD!You have just destroyed my fantasy of having my balls crushed under her tungsten tipped high heel shoes!
Honestly, I yet to see a game where Yang doesn't job hard to Santiago. Every single game she pushes him around, never the other way around. At least in this particular scenario she's running fundamentalist which gives her an extra edge plus casus belli vs Yang,What's wild is that while she's fundie, she somehow managed to get into war with Miriam and became pact buddies with UNIVERSITY while they run fundamentalist/democratic respectively. Literally can't make this shit up.
>>1153469sunspots really are the least fun eventis there an easy way to just get rid of it
>>1166256When making a new game, turn random events off.
Damn I usually win (or lose) too fast so that I can never see all tech quotes and secret project video kino. Right now my only choice is to just keep playing after winning and hope the fungus can still give a good fight or something.
Just wondering if anyone else has this issue: when I start a new game on the map of planet, I almost always start near the freshwater lake in the bottom left of the map. Like 90% chance. If I keep restarting a new game over and over again, I sometimes get lucky and land somewhere else, but the chance seems to be very low. Doesn't matter which faction I start as, I always land in the same 3 or 4 tiles around the freshwater lake. It's not a major issue but it is a little annoying. I'd like to be able to start in other cool parts of the map.
>>1168139Isn't that a game setting? There's an option to start in a random place.
>>1168147Not that I know of. There is only the flexible starting locations option which lets you move your colony pod around first
>>1168151Ah, that may be what I was thinking of, I haven't played in some time
>>1168139I like playing on huge map of planeti actually counted and im pretty sure i spawn on the southern bank of the Freshwater Sea at least half the timeI have to reroll a lot to get into Monsoon Jungle or Uranium FlatsTheres a spawn point next to Manifold Nexus i see AI spawn on all the time but ive only ever managed to roll once
>>1168174Ok so it's not just me. What patch are you using? I'm using scient's patch v2.1
>>1168176I'm using a GoG torrent with patch 184.108.40.206, with the PRACX graphic/ui mod installed
>>1168139I can confirm similar results. Choosing "Map of Planet" causes me to usually spawn within 3 tiles of the shore of the Freshwater Sea landmark, even when trying different factions and difficulties. I'm using the GoG version with PRACX 1.10 and Yitzi 3.5.
>>1168139I usually end up starting either just SE of the Freshwater Sea (the lake) or along the coast of Eurytion Bay (west of the Upland Wastes). But more rarely have also been placed just SW of the Uranium Flats, on the NW side of the Freshwater Sea, or in the Monsoon Jungle.I read on a SMAC message board many years ago that on the Huge Map of Planet there are about 11 locations you could spawn in at. Along with that, the 7 factions usually will spawn into the game in order (which I'm not sure what it is). So, it might depend on the faction you are playing and which locations the factions ahead of you randomly grabbed.
rip OpenSMACXwe're deprived of more advanced modding of SMACX
>>1141027So my first playthroughHow do i shoot down enemy planes?
>>1168314you need to discover air power yourself to use it thoughalso it's attack vs attack rather than attack vs defense
>>1168343>also it's attack vs attack rather than attack vs defenseBut it applies to air vs air combat. If you equip land or naval units with air superiority ability, they get to attack air units (without any additional bonus vs air or penalty vs land/naval) and it should be calculated as attack vs defense.Here's some analysis on the situation when air units are counted as off in the air for purpose of calculating aerial/non-aerial combat.https://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=3192.0
>>1142239Aki can steamroll Yang with sheer amounts of military tech, 1 unit can sweep 5 Yang units
>>1172198open sourceport for SMACX, last update was from 2019
>>1168314Which factions would prefer which futures
>>1172437Apparently this is the author's contexthttps://pastebin.com/ccjK0Hhq
reject wormsembrace tanks
>>1172882>What do I care for your cooming? Jugs, even poonan, is no more than information before the cumbrain, data fed to the computer of the fap. The lesson is simple: you have received the information, now act on it. Take control of the wang and you shall become master of the jizz.>~ Chairman Sheng-ji Yang,>"Essays on Fap and Matter
>>1172429oh and why would porting the game to be a good thing? for mods I assume?
>>1173268To fix bugs and to allow PRACX patch to work on Linux
>>1173277Plus better mods possibility
>>1146579>>1146577The lore paints Yang as having near complete body control. Santiago would be easy for him to beat up. Morgan with all his roided up vaccines would easily take her too, being male vs. trained female. Zhakarov is probably too much of a nerd to really put up a fight.
>>1173382dont care, still want Santiago to step on me and Deirdre is still hot
>>1173382Morgan would slap you at most lolNot to mention he is old as fuck while Santiago is the youngest and most fit of the leaders.Yang is even fucking older than old ass Morgan. Like almost 30 years older than Santiago.The leaders are all 50+ year old geriatrics and Deidre who is a nerd.1v1 Santiago wins against everyone.Yang is definitely second place.
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>>1176240Deidre's the only one not looking at the camera of all portraits in the game. Don't trust her.
>>1176240Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a universe filled with so much that is evil. They have missed a greater conundrum: why would a perfect God create a universe at all?
Yang got a perfect score on his personality evaluation. Definitely trust him.
This was the first turn-based game I've ever played, and when I did I hated it.
There should be another ending where you completely completely destroy every single fungus on the planet and btfo the million year cycle permanently. Maybe the wincon is building enough planet buster and off-planet facilities to evacuate to. I don't want to eventually be subsumed by the disgusting mind worms regardless of how I win.
which faction is the best gameplay-wise and why?
>>1141184I've never played before, is the HUD going to be ultra small if I try playing at 1400p?
>>1178038It scales up; at least I haven't seen people complain about this one (I play it on a smaller resolution notebook). Some people did complain about glitches with the edges of the screen or some tabs cropped in high resolutions but you should just install it and try, and look for a particular solution, if any needs be.>>1178012Where is this from? Google is silent.https://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=2745.01
>>1178012I like believers because the support bonus means you can have a lot of units early without hamstringing yourself and when someone attacks you, they're gonna regret it. Overall very flexible, I know the research penalty is meant to be terrible, but its hard for me to notice on the middle two difficulties, and there is always someone to trade with
>>1177461It's a shame it doesn't exist. The closest you'll get is: https://alphacentauri.fandom.com/wiki/Game_script#Epilogue_(Diplomatic_victory) which is close enough.>>1178297That white text on black blackground makes it look like the formatting style of the GURPS spin-off, but I checked and it isn't from there.
>>1178297>>1178346>Where is this from?PC Gamer Magazine Feb 98 edition
>>1178012Gaian's used to have an exploit you can use to get fully upgraded veteran worms early games, not sure if thats patched out or not
>>1177461This goes completely against the themes of the game lol
>>1178370>Blade Runner the Game>Monkey Island 3>Tomb Raidergood times
>>1178413>broken sword>hexen 2Hnnnng I WANT TO GO BACK
>>1166105So, I captured some irrelevant naval base of Miriam, and next turn she offered a truce in exchange for it, which I of course accepted.I used intel from Deirdre and my navy to explore her territory and Jesus Christ she's scary. I expected to see some Yang or Santiago territory over there but nope.We're kinda on the same level but I still miss fusion power which I'm trying to beeline to, and I can't exactly steal it from her due to high prob bonus or Zach (he got himself Hunter-Seeker).
>>1178507That said AI is also kinda dumb - she managed to starve her HQ and deadlock its mineral production to a zero.
>>1178508Zakh lost half his territory and was reduced to 3 bases. Now tricky part is taking Korolev Center with Hunter-Seeking and stealing/extorting techs from him. Ideally I need Gaians somehow to fuck off, so that Deirdre wouldn't finish him prematurely.
>>1143758it was designed by good game designers and written by people with a background in science, history and philosophy
>>1145967>1%WE MUST DISSENT
Does the AI never build headquarters after losing it? Damn so taking over their capital is practically a death sentence since even if they take the capital back it's not like they'll have headquarters anymore and now they no longer get any energy.
>>1179427>Does the AI never build headquarters after losing it?No. >now they no longer get any energyTo lose all energy, your efficiency must be -4. If you don't have HQ all your bases are treated as if they were 16 tiles away from HQ. It's bearable if you get high efficiency rating.
Why the fuck do people in the UN get to vote twice?
>>1181186>bloody basterd do not redeem the votes!
>>1181186it's a fortified electorate
>>1181186ever heard of vote rigging?
What are the most unorthodox leader / social model combinations?
>>1181572But they have free flow of information
>>1181617>Morgan running Green politicsactually meta>Police State Gaiai dunno maybe efficiency is cushioned but you can support more worm spam
>>1181763But captured worms require no support....
>>1181766i dunno what the fuck governs it but somewhere midway through the game captured unity rovers/foils and worms start drawing support from the nearest settlement you found it
>>1181617>free market yang>democratic spartans>green lal>police state morgans
>>1181770Supply pod vehicles, mind controlled units, and captured worms are supported by a base if they're acquired close to one of your bases, but they're independent if they're too far away when acquired. It only appears to kick in midway through a game because a) by that point you probably have more bases claiming more territory, so there's less "too far away" space on the map, and b) you think they're aren't drawing support in the early game, but they actually are, because your bases probably don't have lots of units assigned to each one, so your first captured mindworms are drawing support but you don't notice it because it's below your "units supported for free" limit.
>>1181981>your first captured mindworms are drawing support but you don't notice it because it's below your "units supported for free" limit.If they were, they would be still be shown in the supported units tab but without a mineral icon indicating they are below the free support limit.
>>1181981naw, independent units are labeled independent in the bottom panel instead of labeling which base it is attached to. like your starting scout is independent. i paid attention to that label.I leaned hard on the worms not needing support early game by trying to snowball having worms gather more worms gather more worms, and i would make them frolic in the fungus near my starting basessome time later i would be out in the ocean gathering pods with my foil when i would get unity rovers on the water all the way out in the middle of nowhere still attaching to the base nearest to it
>>1181981I just played a deirdre game from beginning till end. At the end I had bases in 70% of the world, vassaled lal, pacted zhakarov, conquered spartans and believers (believers had conquered morgan and yang).I was just launching satellites. And the worms and spore launchers I took over in the first 30 turns of the game were still free of support (I had -2 support from democracy so it was easy to see).
Does the soil enricher and an adjacent N terraform stack or not? I think it doesn't?
> name the wonders "secret project"> Everytime you start building one it's announced to every single fucking human on chiron
>>1183789Two lovers, forbidden from one another A war divides their peopleAnd a mountain divides them apart Built a PROJECT to be togetherSecret project!Secret project!Hey all of Chiron! Secret, secret, secret, secret project!
I suddenly feel a need to request a soijak edit featuring Gene-Jacks for some reason. . . >>1157884>When I was a kid I used to think Yang was a disembodied headare you me?
Damn -5 Police from free market sucks so much. Even after getting ascetic virtues and police state the only thing I can rid of is the annoying pacifism drones. But running Morgan without free market-wealth just feels so wrong. One thing for sure is that I won't use free market in any other faction.
>>1176240>>1176273Her stupid fucking bioluminescent squid beanie pisses me off so god damned much.>>1183979kek
>>1184660??? Morgan is the only faction that can get +1 energy/square without FM, just run green and enjoy great efficiency and native bonusesPacifism isn't a big deal, just station your offensive forces to 2-3 bases that produce a lot of minerals, then the punishment sphere helps
>>1184660Two other ways with free market to solve drones1. psych funding (I often set it to 20%, more if I want golden ages)2. Having dedicated colony pod builders.If I need to fight someone, I just sim city myself across land or see, so that my military forces are always inside my borders.When you get really close, you may have one space around cities that are not your area, so you could have 1-2 turns of mass drones, which you can either nerve staple or just turn everyone into doctors and let their homebases shrink for 1 or 2 turns.
>>1184660>he didn't build the Human Genome Project
Wait can we create a lake by creating a valley, lowering some land that separate it from the sea and then raising it back up?
>>1186742>lowering some land that separate it from the seaMeaning flooding it? To do this, it would require having land tiles with below the sea level altitude which I don't believe is possible - it'll just create sea tiles.
>>1186797Well that means creating a lake is even easier then
>>1186299accurate Baltimore population demographics
>>1185015>??? Morgan is the only faction that can get +1 energy/square without FM, just run green and enjoy great efficiency and native bonusesThis is the way to go with Morgan long-term. Had one where late-game I was spreading over the map conquering enemy cities with 24-12 Gravships each turn. I did a comparison between running Democratic-Free Market-Wealth-Eudaimonic and Democratic-Green-Wealth-Cybernetic and was drawing in more energy per year boosting Efficiency than I was going all in with Economy.
Wow Thinker AI really teach AI how to ICS. When the map is revealed suddenly Morgan have > 10 cities. Also the alliance somehow become more like canon story (Me Zakharov-Gaia-Morgan vs Sparta-Yang).
>>1147089WHY ARE BARE SHOULDERS AND COLLARBONES SO HOT SEND HELP
>>1172882It's very funny that transcendence ends up BTFO'ing Yang's entire ideology.
>>1141046She fucked the only beta spartan in the books, so you'd probably have a chance. He even impregnated her iirc
How do i see diplomatic relationship between factions except by probing them? Even if i probe them I'm only able to see the info until I close the window.
Go in to the tanks
I guess this thread managed to snag the Longevity Vaccine.
>>1142664>• New atrocity rules: (a) 12+ atrocities (depends on difficulty level) will cause>all factions to declare vendetta (b) Nerve stapling becomes increasingly ineffective at particular bases the more you use it.fuck I don't remember this being a thing
>>1143448>psychotic oestrogen alliance of Santiago and Miriam "I'd like to speak to the foreman" Bitchwinsonkek
>>1184266>I suddenly feel a need to request a soijak edit featuring Gene-JacksUnironically seconding this
>>1181186have you ever been working on a corporate project with pajeets?
>>1149833Militia Station looks pretty comfy to live in, once the Gaians are subjugatedBunker 118 looks pretty nice toowouldn't want to be one of the suckers stationed at Commander's Keep
>>1158150Yes to both questions.
>>1159835China WILL grow larger
>>1177461I'm killing every last faggot mind worm and burning every last inch of fungus and there is nothing you can do to stop me
>>1197082because its Deirdre's bare shoulders and collarbones
>>1149833Does Santiago ever actually get so powerful by herself? In my games it's usually Yang, Miriam and Deidre.Though last 2 games Lal was doing pretty well too.
is the planetfall mod for civ4 any good?really wanted to play smac but too old to handle the autistic everything
>>1177461>If only there was the way to remove third of the mass of the planet, and its entire fucking eco-system in the process of doing so, stripping it all to the fucking bedrockThis is next level genocide fantasy. Do you come from Vicky 2 background, by chance?
>>1204258It's perfectly achievable in-game, even by accident. And it's not like as if mankind have not made several species extinct (or close enough) for profit, by accident, or just because they were an inconvenience, never mind an actual threat to humanity's existence. Why are you always so hyperbolic and upset every time this topic gets brought up?
>>1204256>really wanted to play smac but too old to handle the autistic everythingstart smac on a smol map, get used to older graphics, its doable>t.30yo zoomer who started playing smac a year ago
>>1204217it's unclear from this headshot that she's wearing any clothes at all
>>1204223It's usually whichever faction spawns on top of the +1 nutrient forest
>>1172882Is he meant to be wearing a Dune-style stillsuit which recycles the poop and peep water? That would be a very Yang thang to do
>>1197485Isn't Yang's ideology the closest to it? I've always thought the opposite.
>>1214690Yang's deal is ultra materialism (think of his quote when building the virtual reality network thing, mind controlling input and output of stimuli)But Planet is like some great magical spiritual hippy dippy hivemind thingy
>>1220957>But Planet is like some great magical spiritual hippy dippy hivemind thingyStrong disagree. Transcendence is like uploading everyone's mind into giant organic hyper computer.Yang cares about humanity as whole, but not about particular humans. He want's humanity to progress and isn't afraid of breaking taboos on the way.>...Extend your awareness outward, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendent, and to embrace them is to achieve enlightenment.>It is every citizen's final duty to go into the tanks and become one with all the people. Humanity ascending and merging together (together with alien god) is completely in line with his reasoning.I am also not sure i would describe him as ultra materialist. He seems to occasionally consider spiritual side of the things.
>>1205814This, the AI is pot luck, but is constrained the most by growth rates. Starting in the monsoon jungle is the biggest normal boost possible for an AI.>>1214690I'll say it both is and isn't. Yang's weirdo philosophy is about having humans be selfless beings who do things for the greater good of humanity (with Yang defining that of course). Would Yang be happy with defining humanity as a bunch of simulations inside an alien supercomputer? Would he be happy with that supercomputer taking his place as dictator, with supreme power beyond his wildest dreams? What does being the dominant mind inside the matrix mean anyway? Would Planetmind agreeing with Hivean ideology also means he agrees with Yang making the choices? Besides, all of the ideologies can easily be spun to not even make sense in the context of transcendence.
Can I play this game if I am a retard?
>>1221040He bears a resemblance to Lee Kuan Yew
What is the best strategy guide to follow? I want to understand the ins- and outs.>>1222884You can learn it. I know I want to.
>>1223306If you want to learn it, forego strategy guides. Just start on easy, pay attention to the Datalinks / game manual, learn from your mistakes, and crank up the difficulty after winning a few times.
>>1146577Zak was actually in active military service.
>>1141046Wouldnt she be into aggressive breeding? Gotta make more troops
>>1223558nah, they're all about eugenic cloning
Why sometimes I will have drone riot when i let a single drone exist in my city? There are 3 or 4 talents already so I thought it'd be covered. Maybe it has something to do with tons of cities i have but I don't know what.
>>1224167Sounds like you're getting probed to me.
>>1222888Huh. Can't believe this never occurred to me before.
What did you lads think of beyond earth?
>>1227696Beyond Earth a shit, do not bring that name into my house again
>>1224167There's a bug that shows the drones wrong particularly if you have a lot of cities. Open up the extra settings to see how drones / talents are made. You can extrapolate the truth from there.
>>1227696I don't understand why it's hated so much. There were many other soulless cashgrabs including by Firaxis that people gobbled up happily. It's not bad, it's just mediocre.
so what are the mandatory mods i should install for my first playthrough? i heard there are som UI improvements
How did this thread reach 400?
>>1233296We plan to live forever, of course, but barring that, we'd settle for a couple thousand posts. Even five hundred would be pretty nice.
I've been mulling this idea for a while now. But what if for a Alpha Centaury sequel you have a faction made up of 2 characters with different views of the ideology. And when you conquer or federate a different faction you get access to one of their leaders and can add them to your faction for both bonuses and more lore/flavor/ideology. And if you go too far with one of your original leaders the other one will break off.
>>1233975That's a great prompt, what would /vst/ anons do if they were in charge of a new alpha centauri project?
Never played much but trying to get into the crossfire expansion, the first 8 opd covs are ofc really solid to understand factions but wtf is the point of the cult of planet. Seems like a lamer gaians faction. Aliens feel weird and OP and desu I'd rather not even spawn them in the game. Also data angels look weak. Cyber and drones seem om.I like the additions and most the new techs and planet features but I dunno, the factions feel underwhelming. Am I wrong for wanting to just spawn the og 8 into the more options alien crossfire map and just playing SMAC vanilla more or less?
>>1237526>Am I wrong for wanting to just spawn the og 8 into the more options alien crossfire map and just playing SMAC vanilla more or less?No, you're not wrong at all. The expansion factions are all meant to be a wacky change of pace, and the aliens are presumably meant to be there as a challenge as an enemy.
>>1237660Ahh good to know. I'll probably add like 1 or 2 per a playthrough.Time to add the Nordic Somali pirates to the world and see if I can bring the word of the lord to them, by force if needed (not a fanatic just think pops are neat and science is for dorks that's all)
>>1142664You can customise map size on random map on SMAC
>>1141027How is the Planet Fall Civ 4 mod that's supposed to be like SMAC?
>>1233874>Even five hundred would be pretty nice.five hundred WOULD be pretty niceFunnily enough I think the quote's actually a little bit of self-referential humor - the mission year starts in 2100 and the game ends by 2600 (although it ends on 2500 on higher difficulties, if I'm not mistaken)
>>1245165i dont recommend it, doesnt even play the dialogue when you researched a new tech
played tf out of this many years ago, never did more than add the official patches, not sure others even existed at the time. what is needed for a good, balanced build with minimal bugs? thinker sounds good, but do I need to install official patches first? if I'm playing smacx do I even need the smac patch? thinker says it includes scient's patch, does that mean I don't use yitzi/kyrub? will this all work with pracx?
Seeing this thread made me download the game again to try (again) but the controls make no sense to me yet again.The arrow keys seem to randomly alternate between moving my units and scrolling the map, and in the case of the former the turn ends automatically? Can I make the game control more like a newer 4x game?Also is there a mode to view what each tile contains in regards to resources?
>>1254811Its better to navigate mostly with hotkeys snapping the camera around to specific bases/units and having a lot of the map in your memory. >Also is there a mode to view what each tile contains in regards to resources?I don't recall. Best you're going to get is memorizing the tile faces and what their resources are or clicking on them.
>>1141459unachievable levels of based
>>1141027she has a look that says, 'I am disappointed in the size of your penis but will sleep with you anyway."
>>1141027Don't you judge me, bitch.I know what you did to pay for college.
>>1214689>The secret to Yangs Power>His magical poop suit.>He poops while giving public addresses.>He poops when strategizing.>He poops when torturing dissadents>He even poops when he is making love to his biologically engineered nueter slaves with no genitalia that poop through a cloaca.
>>1259751>He even wears a suit that recycles his waste!>Truly, chairman Yangs dedication to efficiency is legendary!>Yes.. efficiency..
>>1259767>enter thread>tell a few jokes>it diesjesus, grow a sense of humor zoom zooms
>>1259751If only vegeta had a poop suit, he would have won.
>>1220957>Yang's deal is ultra materialismhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO_xh7xIabk
>>1259751>>1259767>>1259812>>1260627>>1260654always knew he was full of shit
how in Planet's name is this thread still going...I haven't checked in on it in a month or more.
>>1261493It's a slow board.
>>1141742We WILL dissent!
>>1142239Single thing getting closer to this game is CIV 4 with the beyond sword DLC and some other mods for it, but nothing else from what i know
>>1141742We must dissent !
>each tile has a elevation level>dynamic sea level>a simple climate/weather simulationWhy don't other 4x have a simulated and dynamic map/tiles?It it's much more interesting than "Mountain tile" and "Hill tile" etc Even if the setting doesn't let the player to do massive world sculpting projects (i.e. pre-industrial), you could still do various things that makes the world feel alive.
Trying to play alpha centauri on W11.Game crashes unless I remove the video folder so I have to play without the secret project videos... anyone know a fix?
How many people do you think 1 pop is? 1000? 10,000? 100,000?
>>1264455I feel like it varies depends on the city size.Like in a 1 pop city it is 1000 while a 20 pop city its 1 000 000.
>>1264455When you destroy (obliterate) a city the popup states it's literally base number x 10k inhabitants
>>1264341Try GOG version with PRACX.
>>1264889Worked great, thanks.
>>1176240We Will Dissent
Has everyone taken the time to read all the interludes?There is a chain of interludes that I think I saw in its entirety for the first time just now.>Discover Centauri Empathy, your trainee is introduced>Breed your first mindworm, the trainee is sent to lead that unit>That specific mindworm is attacked and killed by enemy faction, trainee dies and you swear revenge>Conquer the city that built the unit that killed your trainee, you rename the city as a memorial to the traineeWould have been cool if there were a whole bunch of chained interludes tied to faction rivalries and happenings, but this is apparently the only one.All the other interludes are triggered by planet related events and technologies.
can you play as indian guy and save everyone even thought they are all extremist?
>>1268253there is a diplomatic victory where the ending text says that you become the leader of the new executive council where everyone has agreed to unite with you.but everyone pretty much gets a happy ending if you do the transcendence ending anyway.
>>1268277how many endings are there in this game?
>>12684274 basic endings (conquest, diplo, economic, and transcendence) plus 1 additional for ayylmaos in SMAX (Usurpers have 5 in total, Caretakers - 4 since they can't transcend).
I was just about to make an SMAC thread.I've been playing an absolute fuckload of this game lately. I really think it's close to the platonic ideal of a 4x game, maybe any strategy game. One thing that's a bit wobbly is that you're really better off shoring up a faction's weaknesses than you are playing to its on-paper strengths. So you get weirdness like the Gaia spamming boreholes or Morgan actually being an ICS faction that goes Green as soon as possible.
>>1214690I think the problem with Yang, although this actually goes for all the leaders to varying degrees, is that he's disingenuous - you don't know how much of what he's saying is simulation, but it's likely a lot. The biggest example to me is when he says the purpose of life is life itself or something to that effect, it's pure sophistry. He's not as obvious about it as someone like Morgan but in a way his id is the same.
>>1184660One way that's super cheesy is to build punishment spheres and ctrl+a all military units to those cities, although at that stage in the game you're better off just going green
>>1148170I always thought the Spartans vs worms and really the Spartans in general were very heavily influenced by Alien/Aliens. Even Diedre is kind of her own Ash in a way. I mean the fact that a worms rush is a 100% viable strategy speaks volumes, I think you're meant to see humanity as being on the backfoot and unwitting about what's ahead of them.
>>1148828That feels right on the nose.I think the big thing also from Deathworld is that the psychic hatred from the colonists acted like a beacon for the wildlife. The grubbers or whatever they were called lived just fine (and failed for other reasons).Which is doctrine: flexibility/mobility all over. Spartans never figured out that they held their arm too stiffly and got thrown back repeatedly. Nuking all the mindworm boils with choppers is a late-game tactic. They did figure it out later in the game/lore, once the faction was reduced to guerilla warfare with the goo factories.
>>1204453Not that guy but this sounds more like "let's kill all the plants on Earth" rather than "let's wipe out passenger pigeons". You can cleanse every tile of fungus but it's still somewhere there since the whole biosphere is fungus-based, and even if you cover every land tile with forest that's going to be mixed with hybridized fungus of some sort. Also aren't the poles (off the top and bottom of the map) supposed to just be giant mats of miles-thick fungus?
>>1177461>off-planet facilities to evacuate to.There is an ending where you do that.You don't destroy the fungus but you establish humanity as a permanently starfaring species.
>>1269294>Also aren't the poles (off the top and bottom of the map) supposed to just be giant mats of miles-thick fungus?I don't know where the hell you got that from. There are icecaps there originally that you can melt, so not ideal conditions for life even if some fungus could thrive there.
When you rescue a defeated faction leader, they remain loyal minions to you for the rest of the game, right?Is it even possible to vassalize a faction in this manner through diplomacy and intimidation? At some point they seem to be unwilling to discuss truce even if hopelessly outgunned, or demand absurd tribute while nowhere near position to be doing so.
>>1269394>they remain loyal minions to you for the rest of the game, right?They can betray you so it is not 100% but the threshold to do so is very high>Is it even possible to vassalize a faction in this manner through diplomacy and intimidation?I've seen it happen but not sure what the conditions are.Maybe it is tied to leader personality? I feel like Yang always wants to fight to the bitter end.
>>1269394>>1269403>There is a special attitude: Submissive. When a human faction is fighting against an AI faction and the AI factions is losing, the AI leader might offer to surrender to the human faction. When this happens, the war ends, a #Pact is signed between the two, the AI faction gives the human faction all of its known tech advances and its energy credits, and the defeated faction becomes submissive of the conqueror. When in this state, the submissive faction will not refuse any request made by the human faction and there is an impact on scoring. If the human faction breaks the pact, the defeated faction will no longer be submissive. The AI player may only offer this once and a surrender cannot be demanded or requested by a human faction.
>>1269585hot deidre on santiago action
Can we make a full list of what books are referenced when you're given a score post-game?$TITLE0 $PLAYER1's Big Book of Recycling Tanks HumorWe Must Consent: 100 Surefire Pick-up Lines of $TITLE0 $PLAYER1>We must dissent (self referential)For I Have Tasted The Fungus (Why $TITLE0 $PLAYER1 Can't Blink)>For I have tasted the fruit (self referential)The Cat In The Vat: $TITLE0 $PLAYER1's Sleepchamber Stories>Cat in the hatEverything You Ever Wanted To Know About Organic Superlubricant (But Were Afraid To Ask)>Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex* (*But Were Afraid to Ask)I'm OK, You're A Drone Boreholes I Have KnownThe Little Terraformer That Could>The Little Engine That CouldAre You There, Planet? It's Me, $TITLE0 $PLAYER1>Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret.Recon Rovers: Unsafe At Any Speed>Unsafe at Any SpeedHow To Raise A Nerve-Stapled ChildMen Are From Chiron, Women Are From Nessus>Men Are from Mars, Women Are from VenusAll I Ever Wanted To Know I Learned in the Cloning Vats>All I Really Need to Know I Learned in KindergartenMindworms in the MistOur Biomachinery, Our Selves>Our Bodies, OurselvesActualizing Your Sentient Being: $TITLE0 $PLAYER1's Self-help Guide for TalentsThe Unbearable Lightness of Hovertanks>The unbearable lightness of beingSentient Econometrics Made SimpleLady Deirdre's Lover>Lady Chatterley's LoverZen and the Art of Missile Rover Maintenance>Zen and art of motorcycle maintenanceTranscendence for Dummies>* for DummiesThe 27 Habits of Highly Effective Talents>The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People$TITLE0 $PLAYER1's Critique of the Critique of Pure Reason>Critique of Pure ReasonThe Will To Power: A User's Guide>The Will To PowerStairway to Transcendence: The Last Book You'll Ever Read
>>1269585Do surrendered factions still expand and build militaries? Or do they stay out of your way?
>>1269591They basically start again from scratch from a brand new base
>>1269591What I meant to say is that surrendered factions behave like allies doing their thing. Factions respawned after freeing leaders from captivity behave as above post.
>>1269337>There is an ending where you do that.Is there? How do you achieve it?
>>1269590I never got what the books are supposed to mean, feel like completely off tone.Is that just some silly meaningless pop culture joke, or is there actually something behind that?
>>1270189I guess it's the former as a means to disengage the player from the depressing and oppressive setting of the game. Not to say that the game itself is purely devoid of humor (like Morgan's commercial or the Spartans drill speech).
>>1269590>Mindworms in the Mistgorillas in the mist, you never heard of it?