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Get in here and talk about the mod, are you ready for the next update?
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I might have made it a little early and I'm sorry, but this looks fucking cool
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>>1140261
>are you ready for the next update?
There wont be "next update".
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>>1140278
you people say that after every update
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I thought you retards don't like this mod and hoi4. You were even making some cringe youtube edits over some discord tranny drama. Be consistent and stop posting about it
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>>1140335
I for one like the mod
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>>1140335
I like it, the devs are retarded but that comes with modding it seems
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>>1140278
Really?
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>>1140610
no, the mod isn't dead
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>>1140335
At the end of the day, it fits a niche that no other mod in the workshop can hit, It's not even a matter of 'like'
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Im pretty sure they confused european and brazilian integralism
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>>1141626
Maybe. I remember the Iberian dev saying they only knew about Portuguese integralism but not about the brazilian kind
But I think Portuguese Integralism will be a democratic subid because according to the Iberia Dev Rolao Preto believed in direct democracy.
Unless you mean Frech integralism which is not in the mod at all
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>>1141735
European integralist movement varied, but were generally centered around strong traditionalism and anti-modernism, catholicism and monarchism. A lot also supported distibutism, localism, decentralization. Brazilian integralism was much more fascistic and mostly saw fascism as its inspiration im pretty sure. That symbol used for ideology is associated with european movements, while brazilians used Σ.
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>>1141626
>>1141735
>>1141773
>>1140269
>>1140261
PROGRESS THE FUCKING STORY. NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE IDEOLOGY FETISHES AND NATIONS OUTSIDE OF GERMANY, USA, JAPAN, RUSSIA.
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>>1141781
brainlet take
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>>1140335
>>1140261
Mod popularity is finally slowing down, last thread lasted for weeks instead of days. Removing Panzer's vision to enter reworking hell is just ensuring there is, at best, a mildly interesting cold war mod that people will play once or twice to try out new Italy then get bored.
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>>1141813
Spengler was right once again.
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>>1141813
>rework hell
Didn't panzer actually write a document on how to avoid TNO becoming a Kaiserreich esque rework circlejerk?
Whaddya know, loe and behold, they get rid of him and start reworking the sovl out of the mod.
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>>1141788
sorry he’s right literally nobody except 16 year old le ideology heads care about this shit. understand that your understanding of political science has been further hampered by Reddit, videogames, and YouTube videos. should have picked up a book kid
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>>1141888
Yeah okay I'm not the one letting political compass memes live rent free in my head
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>>1141888
>should have picked up a book kid
what makes you say I haven't?
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>>1141890
no they’re just using your body at a host at this point. nice quick reply I sense I touched a nerve there
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>>1141895
Nah, I'm just tired of your shit since your posts are VERY fucking recognizable since this is an extremely slow board. Hi Poleschizo.
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>Nah, I'm just tired of your shit since your posts are VERY fucking recognizable since this is an extremely slow board. Hi Poleschizo.
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>>1142047
Meds.
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>>1141838
Yeah he did. I read the document and I fully agree with it even if it does take a lot of autism and does not leave much room for new ideas. Now they are reworking everything and they developed a bad case of feature creep. 70s content never because red Italy and esoteric fascists, and Brazilians are more important than the fucking ending of the visual novel.
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>>1142443
What is it with Americans and just pushing pills as the be all and end all of everything? No. I don't want to take whatever you're selling, thank you kindly.
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>>1142448
Cyanide pills. Now.
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>>1140261
is this another ultravisionary path?
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OMSK IS THE BEST COUNTRY
I FUCKING LOVE AVENGING THE HOLOCAUST AND GENERALPLAN OST
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>>1142551
why would a russian want to avenge the holocaust?
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>>1142567
Because the poster is a dumb jew.
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>>1142447
I'd prefer having more paths and playable countries than longer content for the majors desu
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>>1142630
That is, a perfectly reasonable desire to have. If the devs only did the majors we would not have burgundy, England, or Russia. But there is a limit in my opinion to the amount of rework that are planned. Germany looks to be remade from the ground up, Japan is getting completely remade, only the Americans are safe from the rework curse with only a handful of Presidents being changed and some mechanics added. I am sure that many people would want new content or for the story to pick up rather than have everything be remade but still end with the same cliffhanger.
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>>1142638
>Germany
Only two paths are getting a full rework, one being a buggy meme wc path and the other a glorified minigame railroaded to collapse
>Japan
It's whole content was rushed af and it's too low quality for a major.
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>>1142645
Bormann and Speer are getting fairly hefty updates. Allegedly Bormann now has a genuine chance to win the cold war if he plays his cards right.
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>>1142652
I don't know why Bormann is even a path. Other than ripping off the DH mod Fatherland like most German content. Bormann was loathed by almost all of Hitler's inner circle and had neither a firm power base or the charisma or personal connections to create one.
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>>1141890
cope
>>1141893
contrarian kid / never set foot in a university building before
>>1142551
russians are a living cope. nobody cares anymore. even russians didn't care outside of fringe groups until 2014
>>1142652
>genuine chance to 'win' the CW
they say that about every previously railroaded path. and what is it about 'winning' the CW? no one 'won' the cold war, the soviets just fell apart after which the US has been continously loosing ground too. that aside, to even model the CW you'd need more content than just the 60s. end date is 89-91. get on it. 'winning the CW' my ass.
they know they're never going beyond the 70s both practically and aesthetically. everyone who's been important in the 60s will be dead or incapable in the 80s.
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>>1142724
there's no other recognizable face left. goebbels is dead, himmler a non character, heydrich and goering both memes also, speer the only 'viable' option.
the nazis were almost all incapable besides for some possessing good charisma (hitler himself of course, speer and himmler). in reality if they'd managed to win the war and build this european empire, this world superpower you'd probably see a bunch of new people in the 60s and 70s who in our time died in the war or would've never had the chance to rise to prominence. this is guaranteed just by the amount of officers left alive, new bureaucrats to administer wealth and colonies, no democratic orientation available for political expression, no politicial expression at all.
alternate history is a meme by itself because it's not at all other history but just our history painted differently. a true alternate history would by the term be different and so would the people. you can't underestimate how much changed in the political progress by the nazi defeat. the only people who could become politicians were those already in power with the least dirty hands and people who resisted. there were no young people governing the BRD or DDR in the first fifteen years of their establishment because this progress was cut by the end of the war and the dead. that at least would be different.
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speer is the most interesting path in germania
and made me an unironic nazi btw
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>>1142735
I've being saying they'd either have to invent fictional young Nazis or look up obscure, obscure, obscure figures.
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>>1142735
>the nazis were almost all incapable besides for some possessing good charisma
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>>1142894
Sounds like unironic autists to me, anon. It checks out.
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Coming back after forever, what did toolbox theory add? Or whatever the latest update was
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>>1142727
Winning the Cold War basically means maxxing your sphere of influence and ensuring an stable transition into the 70s
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>>1142894
Look, let me put it this way.

Do *you* want to be the one who tells Mr. Goring that he's clinically retarded?
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>>1142956
Göring was on deathrow when he was tested and the doctor doing the test was a jew, I don´t think they cared about protecting Mr. Göring´s feelings
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>>1142956
They did those tests when they were prisonners shortly after or before the Nuremberg trials, this is why you don’t see Hitler, Himmler or Goebbels on the list.
They really wouldn’t give a shit about Göring’ feefees

>>1142894
I’m pretty sure most high-ranking politicans from any major country would get similar scores tbqh
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>>1142880
They could just use prominent West German politicians. Someone like 50% of the post-war FDP were former Nazis.
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>>1143109
Nooo that's heckin misrepresenting historical figurinos
Hence why Brandt is still fucking Brandt.
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>>1143109
Pretty much this.
Take far-right and far-left from both BRD and DDR and put them into the new leadership.
"Nooo they would have never sided with the Nazis" is just really bad cope. Everyone old enough to lead the NSDAP by 1970 would have been born after Denazification or been children during it. Plus it gives the TNO writers gay fanfic lore if they want.
Also why no love to Artur Axmann, head of the Hitler Youth. He historically died in 1996 and could be a very prominent figure in TNO considering Hitler's personal feelings towards leading the youth. Maybe Post-Bormann or Non-Reformer Speer?
Also what the fuck happened to Hess? He also lived until the 90's.
>>1142735
>Alternate History is a meme
Can't really argue but most people factor in cultural changes when they're looking at the long-term effects of a historical change. The problem is that too much can be left up to speculation because trying to predict the cultural shift of nations and populations is mostly guess work and you can argue anything if you're smart enough.
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>>1143109
According to that design leak they're planning on doing exactly that
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>>1143175
hess was executed for defeatism after ww2
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>>1143482
who is in pacifica's icon?
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>>1143490
Alexandra Kollontai. LeftCom Bolshevik feminist during the October Revolution.
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>>1143482
It got worse
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>>1142956
Oh yeah, I'm sure the allies were really worried about his feelings when they tested his IQ.
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>>1142567
The holocaust didn't just kill Jews.
It was Russians, Poles, anyone who made a joke about Hitler, French resistance fighters, gay men, gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, black people, tons of people.

But Russians did comprise a million of two of the total
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>>1142907
It added a whole new economy system, making TNO somewhat like Victoria 2, it reworked Long Yun, and added post Midnight Taboritsky stuff and added Brazil as a playable nation.
Russian unifiers with the exception of Taboritsky can no longer take over Kazakhstan for some reason.
The devs say they want to so shit with Kazakhstan, they never will.
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>>1143734
it also reworked Kaya's path right?
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>>1143734
Oh really? Brazil? I mean, do they do anything? Also that’s kinda neat, did they add anything else for the Russians? Or any other faction for that matter. Seems africas a lot more fleshed out but still unplayable besides the colonies and South Africa. Also the economy system looks interesting but u have a feeling it’s either going to be borderline incomprehensible and nonsensical or too simplistic to really matter beyond lowering expenditures every now and then. Though who knows, maybe them taking a year or two for one update paid off
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>>1143724
>It was Russians, Poles, anyone who made a joke about Hitler, French resistance fighters, gay men, gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, black people, tons of people.
Sorry, your propaganda is out of date. Please return to your grooming discord.
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>>1143915
Tranny obsessed moron ESL who wishes he was white lol
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>>1143916
You will never be a woman.
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>>1143112
Brandt is one of the people you probably COULD be sure wouldn't be a Nazi though, since he got put in jail by them

didn't stop Kovner trying to blow him up, though
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>>1143824
Russia got an expansion to the Siberian Black Army in TT. Imo it really set a standard for superregional content. That shit was cool. Also the econ stuff is pretty balanced in terms of complexity, but generally the bigger you are, the less you have to care about it since you have an unlimited debt ceiling.
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>>1143915
>Your propaganda is out of date
More like the Israeli propaganda of trying to appropriate the holocaust as a solely anti-jewish crime to increase the aboobooboo victim funding for their equally fascist and genocidal settler state got even more outrageus. Reminder that these are the same "people" who have the gall to call Hitler a puppet of the muslims in their own insane brand of holocaust revisionism.
t. Eastern Euro whose non-Jewish geat-grandad and half of his village were executed in the middle of a forrest, only for shitters to stick a big Star of David on the place of execution.
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>>1143724
The only ones I shed a tear for on that list are the French, funnily enough.
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>>1144136
anon if you're trying to make people here hate Israel you're using the wrong tactics
I'm tired of everything being called genocide, if Israel were as genocidal as people like you claim it is Palestinians as a people simply wouldn't exist anymore[/spoiler]
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>>1143824
Brazil is going to be a major player in the south american cold war
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>>1144229
>if Israel were as genocidal as people like you claim it is Palestinians as a people simply wouldn't exist anymore
Ah yes, they should be grateful to g-d's chosen people that they only torch SOME of them to death with warcrime weapons every once in a while.
Face it, if any other country on earth did what Israel does they would already have been nuked.
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>>1143918
I've seen this image floating around for years and everytime I have to repeat the same thing: These articles are written by different authors, all of whom have different interpretations of the term "Holocaust survivor". I think one for example counted every Jew who lived in Europe for some time during WW2 (so also those who managed to flee before the Nazis invaded) and another only counted those who survived a concentration camp
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>thread again derailing into holocaust autism
Every. Single. Time
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>>1144229
That anon. I don't particularly give a shit about Israel, but they are deffinetly commiting a genocide. Genocide doesn't have to be deathcamps. Indians were also genocided but hey, look, they are still around in their little shitty drug-filled backwater reservations. But I digress, the reason I fucking hate Israel is precisely because the role it plays in Holocaust revisionism, where they managed to transform their 6 million dead plurality into 6 million dead majority of Nazi victims. Yeah, no shit people schiz out about Holocaust being fake when the official version already made half of it fake. Well, at least its funny to laugh at the pathetic wastes of humanity that are the chuds pretending the Third Reich was based, and not just a European genocide machine made to make the pockets of Ruhr industrialists and foreign deathcamp investors (like the Bush family) fatter.
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boring wall of text garbage, why are you like this and enjoy playing garbage???
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>>1143724
>Russians, Poles, (...) gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, black people
wtf I love nazism now
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>>1142880
There's plenty of people for those roles, don't worry.
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>>1143502
Im going to murder pacifica
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>>1143945
Aw that was the only one I didn’t care about. What did they add to the anarchists?
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>>1144754
They can kill eachother and collapse into a failstate. Also I think they backed down a bit on big-chungus anarchism portrayal and made it grityer. Also good-guy anarchist leader got replaced.
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>>1144754
added a commune management mechanic
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>>1144793
Oh really? So now it’s not just wish fulfillment? That’s neat, might just try it out now
>>1144810
Can i be the communes pet watcher and bring water to everyone?
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>>1145134
Yeah, that's basically exactly what you do. You give certain communes favors to gey them to vote for your policies. IMO you should do all favors, because some of them directly invest into state GDP.
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Me if I saw this leak before the Ukraine war:
>Heckin' wholesome socialist rebels1!!1!1!!!
Me seeing it now:
>Can't wait to ground these vatniks into minced meat
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>>1143485
>Hess executed for Defeatism
The guy who during the Nuremberg trials called Adolf Hitler the greatest son the German people ever produced was executed for defeatism?
I can understand not wanting to get into the many conspiracy theories around Hess but that seems like such a cop out.

Unrelated, but is there anything good for Samara? Oktan is mostly a meme path, albeit a decent one that I think works well. But I haven't heard much about the Despot/AuthDem options.
Whats their whole gimmick other than being failed collaborators. From my knowledge they can never achieve cooperation with the Germans and they're hated by most of the Russians for their previous collaboration.
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>>1146069
Bunyachenko is based
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>>1145870
>Me if I saw this leak before the Ukraine war:
>>Heckin' wholesome socialist rebels1!!1!1!!!
>Me seeing it now:
>>Can't wait to ground these vatniks into minced meat
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>>1143482
>>1143503
epic
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>>1140261
>>1140269
Do the devs actually expect people to read all that shit?
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>>1146970
At least half of the content in this mod involves reading. What did you expect?
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>>1147055
I don't know... a strategy game and not some fag's alt-history novella?
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>>1146074
What makes him based
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>>1147407
why did you buy HoI4 expecting a strategy game?
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>>1147600
The very essence of the "apolitical strongman" archetype. He believes in nothing but Russia, and dedicates himself entirely to its strength, beyond any notion of ideology.
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>>1147752
Not bad, though idk he sounds kinda boring. Might do Amur, they seem cool
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>>1147762
I've heard good things about Amur's writing too.
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>>1147752
Isn't that also the theme of Pokrishkin?
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>>1147801
Pokrishkin is a corrupt cynic that barely has power due to delegating it to megacorps who will plant childporn on you if you speak out agaisnt the state of afairs. He's at best Putin-tier. Bunyachenko is like Nasser, just not socialist.
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>>1147822
Hmm. You’re making samara seem real neat. What are the other two like if you’ve tried them?
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>>1147657
>buy
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>>1147861
Didn't try, but from what I heard the Z-something is just your regular brand of right-wing (un)democratic president-for-life. Oktan is just mega-corrupt and is kind of a meme, he just squeezes Russia for all the cash he can get for him and his clique.
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>>1140335
I don't hate the mod, they just take forever to release content and waste time on stupid mechanics, which cause updates to take too long to release.
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Fucking kekked at Bormann's ending
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>>1147407
TNO is a visual novel style mod, you should have known this by now
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When the fuck is an update coming?

There hasn't been a real content update since November 2020.
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>>1143724
And yet there were formations of thousands of Russians, Ukrainians, Bosnians, Balts, etc fighting in the Waffen SS as volunteers so it's clearly not as black and white as you'd like
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>>1148281
Any update news happens at most a week before it goes live.
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>>1148281
>There hasn't been a real content update since November 2020
does Toolbox Theory from late last year not count?
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>>1144340
Images like that are all stormfag propaganda anyway
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>>1144341
There is no new content and updates are people pushing a positive spin on removing content like
>>1143734
is doing

So of course people will argue about jews instead, this would be a dead thread otherwise
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>>1147919
What happened?
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>>1148517
Bormann gets lung cancer
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>>1148520
That’s a fucking cop out lmao. Does he choose a successor and do you do a whole power gathering mini game with him to ensure shit doesn’t collapse?
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>>1148544
no, that's content for tno2
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>>1148389
No it was a baseline economics update.

No new regions added, no new countries. Skeleton "content" doesn't count.

Last focus tree was November 2020 during the CRF update.

Now they're working on six patches at once. It was originally four.

The TT updates have drastically slowed down the development of the mod as they've grown too ambitious with it, its rather clear and we're not even finished with that yet with the still upcoming final patch for it yet to release.
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>Zebrica for EaW came before any TNO updates
Jesus.
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>>1149156
Russian autism trumps American trannyism.
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TNO where professional and highly educated political and military men who are ardent workers and manipulators sit down and say "fuck" all day and act retarded completely out of character with their actual selves.

A mod where the devs actually forgot Goebbels existed so wrote him out as being killed off by his friend in Ukraine instead of the original better killing in Paris which made a lot more sense.

It's what you get when the lead dev said "Authoritarianism doesn't work!" when the reality is, it clearly does.

Then again Germany falling into civil war when Hitler named a successor is stupid anyway. His word was law, if he publicly named say Bormann as the next in line, everyone would bend the knee and then the brown nosing for Bormann would begin and so on. The SS would ensure a smooth transition and remove any who dared tried to stir up discontent. Would there be a second night of long knives? Of course, a purge is normal in every nation even today. Some nations its assassinations and imprisonments. In others its removal from power and influences to be exiled to the backbenches or skeletons in the closet(which domestic intelligence has on *every* politician/wannabe politician in each nation today) revealed will destroy the enemies political career permanently.

With the Napola schools, the future of political and military administration of the Reich was secure. This is something TNO has completely ignored aswell. Just like the 1942 European Union plan for post war Germany and Europe and long term plans for elsewhere.
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>>1149181
When does a serious world leader in TNO swear in a formal setting? The only one I can think off the top of my head is Speer, and he has a very good reason to do so, as the economy is royally fucked, his empire is crumbling to revolution before his eyes, and his cabinet are in the middle of an attempted coup.
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>>1149181
This.
>>1149232
You're being too particular. And Speer swears all the time, all the characters swear all the time. Never in a formal setting, that's impossible, but they swear whenever they get chance.
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>>1149268
Yeah, so do most people. You think presidents didn't swear when given the opportunity? Just listen to JFK's call about the Air Force's furniture purchase or LBJ's call to purchase pants. They didn't keep it 100% presidential if they thought they weren't being recorded.
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>>1149181
>A mod where the devs actually forgot Goebbels existed so wrote him out as being killed off by his friend in Ukraine instead of the original better killing in Paris which made a lot more sense.
They should have had him just die of some natural ailment. Like he had a stroke or heart attack.

One issue with TNO is how so many figures from the 40s are still alive and in politics over 20 years later.
>"Authoritarianism doesn't work!" when the reality is, it clearly does
the fuck are you talking about. The only authoritarian systems which didn't come crashing down were old monarchies. Fascism, Communism, modern dictatorships, all tend to collapse in a short amount of time.
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>>1149232
There's a few.
in some of the Nixon's focuses which can't be gone done in particular. Like the one for not cheating in 1960 is pretty funny.
>"This will allow for some fucking jew reporter from the New York Times to run hitpieces on us everyday"
Is a direct line.

Then at the end of Huttig's South African war focus tree there's a focus called
>"Everyone is fucking useless"
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>>1149466
What fascist country even survived ww2? I mean authoritarian countries did fine, Spain lasted until the dictators death, South Korea was alright for a good long while, same with ROC. Cubas still at it I think, Egypt has been goin since forever ago. I mean they’re not as permanent as monarchies and certain constitutional republics, but they’re usually fairly stable if not prosperous
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>>1149514
Spain was fascist, arguably Portugal.
Fascism is so ill-defined, is every right wing dictator Fascist? It's hard to say.
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>>1149530
Well no fascism is only I’ll defined if you don’t know what fascism is. It’s actually fairly easy to spot a fascist country if you know what fascism is. It’s usually seen as right wing socially and left wing economically, but that’s a bit vague. It needs to be a nationalist, revolutionary ideology which also seeks to transform the populace/start a national rebirth of sorts. Revanchism is common but not necessary. As for politics, it must be corporatist or national syndicalist. It can vary a bit here as with Germany, but that’s what it’s gotta be. So realistically spain is out of the picture, as well as most right wing dictatorships. Portugal could be considered depsite being friendly to the western Allies. However it would seem no country today is fascist, and few if any survived the war. If you include Spain and Portugal, they were both fairly well off, though portugal got bogged down in African conflicts
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>>1149586
Ah shit, meant to say economics instead of politics. Also Perónist argentina could be seen as fascist, I don’t know too much about him though
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>>1149155
It added the Kaya path and more proxies
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>>1149586
> Fascism
> Left-wing economically
?????
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>>1149675
Fascist economics, more plainly corporatists economics, are a more catholic version of national syndicalism. Syndicalism is fairly left wing, as much as communism or anarchism arguably. Which is the point, fascism is meant to be a third way political ideology, rather than strictly being one way or the other
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>>1149530
>Fascism is so ill-defined
Fascism is just a modernist ideology of class solidarity, reinvented national identity more often than not with religious influence and complete merger of banking sector, government and industrialists.
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>>1142744
Dunno man, I kinda like Heydrich's Character Arc a bit more
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>>1143482
>Crossdressing man is a diehard simp for a semi-obscure Soviet statesmen
I don't know whether to find this funny or sad.
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>>1149172
I forget that the Brony mod has alot of Russians working on it. Man what is it with East Slavs and MLP?
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>>1149788
Pacifica isn’t a woman with big milky tits??
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>>1149790
Same thing with gachimuchi, there's something about the repression of the ideas that makes them so much stronger online
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>>1149727
national syndicalism never had anything to do with actual syndicalism
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>>1149530
this is the definition according to the tno wiki janny
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>>1150273
>Marxist gibberish
These niggas have been seething ever since Mussolini stopped being a commie.
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Breaking news!
Brave New World or Second West Russia mod is fucking dead! mass devs leave and the mod running out of stream they have decide to end this mod once and for all.
Is this the end of The New Order? one of the largest sub mods 2WRW is now dissolvedm, the mod are becoming more realistic removing/redefining various iconic panzer's autism and the update is taking too long!!!!!
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Russian Niggers took over Brave New World server after the lead dev killed himself or something, Rustrannies then deleted the Discord.
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>>1149860
Its pretty well known he's a Troon, and kinda an asshole
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>>1150273
the wiki isn't official
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>>1150371
Based if true. BNW was just wish fulfillment/russian power fanstasy
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>>1150261
???
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>>1150273
That’s just cope. People that say this also ignore that most fascist states nationalized the majority of their industry, Italy famously being behind only the soviets, and either controlling or outright nationalizing finance
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>>1150273
fascism is a mass ideology of the middle class born from civil strife and mass movements, which is absurd, has a leader cult, is very nationalist and reactionary under the guise of revolution in its economic policies and societal policies. the absurdity is probably why fascism is so ill defined (apart from the obvious political biases displayed there).
fascism is revolutionary yet reactionary, fascism is a mass movement yet speaks to the individual, fascism is exceptional but applied to the masses, fascism is extremely ideological but hates ideologies (other than itself), fascism is characterized by socialism and capitalism, fascism in its nationalism, race and or war policies strove for peace but only ever waged war or held a cold war esque stand off when it couldn't etc. etc.
it doesn't help that for this absurdity and the notions described above, which are not exemplary but manifest in incarnations of fascism, that fascism was different and extremely different in every country, but for having to some degree stakes in the above described.
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>>1149339
You're entirely apologetic. I'm not contrarian here when I critique the childishness in portraying such figures as children. If you swear all the time, and I'm not American so don't come at me with this republican shit, you're just ill behaved, have no manners, think swearing is like putting your foot down.
And there is a difference between insulting someone, swearing, and exclamations using swear words. The former being indicative of someone with improper speech and the latter being colloquial.
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>>1150655
It truly is a work of art. Marinettis best work by far. A beautiful ideology, one of highs and lows, of seeming contradictions caused by its blending of beliefs into something new, a palette suited to the tastes of the man brave enough to implement.
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>>1150669
Marinetti didn't invent fascism? you might be talking about futurism.
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>>1150273
Finance capital?!
Oh yeah the governments which nationalized industry and slaughtered bankers really loved capital. What retardation.
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>>1150680
One lead to the other
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>>1150683
Noooo but fascism is capitalism in decay!!
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>>1150617
>>1150683
even if you're a retard who thinks capitalism is when you privatize stuff and socialism is when you nationalize stuff, that would be a definition that actually works against you because fascist italy didn't do any mass nationalization like you seem to believe, on the contrary, it saw extensive privatization. even more so in fascist germany, who pioneered mass privatization in a time where the tendency amongst western industrial powers was to nationalize key industries. hell, the term privatization literally only became popular after being coined by economists to describe the nazi economic policy. also bankers were some of the biggest nazi backers along with private industral cartels
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>>1150852
Damn it’s almost like bankers will support anyone in charge, especially if their boards get replaced with party members. Or do you think China is also an excellent example of privatization
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>>1150861
china did its own share of mass privatizations, yes. also nice goalpost moving about bankers there, but the nazis were already on the paycheck of banks and big businesses even before reaching power
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>>1150852
>even more so in fascist germany, who pioneered mass privatization
That's a myth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKIYuOxxZWs

Fascists were super anti private enterprise
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>>1150273
but
in TNO franco's not a fascist???
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>>1150880
What goalpost? You brought up bankers, I just suggested that they’re greedy backstabbing fucks
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>>1151039
>tiik
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>>1151072
Here's an actually well-sourced video on the pre-war economy of Nazi Germany.
https://youtu.be/YHAN-RPJTiE
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>>1149466
>Fascism, Communism, modern dictatorships, all tend to collapse in a short amount of time.
That's only because the judeo-american capitalist empire waged economic warfare against franco and the warsaw countries, if germany was the leading country in europe fascism wouldn't collapse
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>>1150371
>>1150610
it's back
https://old.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/whr7go/bnw_development_is_continuing/
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>>1151472
Facist Germany also collapsed under the judeo-american capitalist empire. It's objectively the inferior ideology which couldn't withstand another, more powerful one.
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>>1152426
only because america has abundant natural resources. if prussian civilization sprung up in what's now russia or or the united states where they have oil and so on they would have been unstoppable. germany has no natural resources and never has had them, surrounded from all sides by enemy states with immoral leaders poisoned by jewish intelligentsia for millenia.
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>>1150852
>it saw extensive privatization
Only during the coalition period as a way to restart economic growth. Later most changes were reversed, radically. In 1939 people in the new Chamber of Corporations even openly discussed the elimination of private property.
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Is this mod dying, I can’t fucking tell, like are they losing devs or something?
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>>1152119
>storing gfx on a discord server
Man what the fuck. These retards deserve to have their mod shut down.
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>>1152426
Well yeah it lost the war. Plenty of what you could argue are superior warriors or even people lose against weaker ones due to sheer resources or the strain of what they were attempting. That doesn’t really invalidate an otherwise successful ideology or group, there’s a lot of factors outside of anyones control in war, especially one of that scale. In that case it would be more beneficial to look at the finer details and look at what they were able to do in such shitty circumstances
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>>1152650
It clearly is, I think Equestria at War finally put it in it's place
Actually - can we talk about the giant elephant in the room that a fucking pony mod has made the must polished post WW2 cold war content in the entire Hearts of Iron 4 community?
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>>1152905
Does it really? How so? I’ve never played it peraonally
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>>1152625
Well, they needed nationalization of key industries in 1939 because they were about to fight the largest war in human history. So did the US, and they went right back to privatization after the war. The problem with making these sweeping generalizations about the Nazi economy is that they were only in power for 12 years, and half of that was at war, which drastically changes the economic needs of a nation. There's just not that much data to pull from in the first place.
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>>1153031
They put in like 15 years of post-war content for the aggressive bug german expy decompressing and dealing with rebels while integrating collaborators, the giant economy they conquered, and deciding exactly what racial policies they will be enforcing
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>>1153107
Oh wtf that’s dope, any other countries like that?
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>>1153125
Lets see....
>lunar enclave tag
>lunar enclave (tzarist)
>lunar empire
>the aforementioned bug nazis
>Aquillian Empire
>reformed manhatten protectorate of bug nazis that has a focus tree just as large
>griffon empire (fascist)
>griffon empire (imperialist)
>griffon empire (led by Zombie Frederick the Great)
>griffon empire (nazbol)
>zomb
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>>1153145
>fascist
>imperialist
>nazbol
Huh??
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>>1152650
it isn't. The mod has around 200 devs including writers, artists and contributors
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>>1151055
Franco was never a fascist in general
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What's the most retarded railroaded collapse in TNO? I think its the Iberian Collapse
>Be Franco
>Beat Italy in Algeria
>Centralize power
>Low parliament influence
>Get Iberian Miracle
>Salazar dies
>Go Despot Franco path
>Destroy all insurgent group
>Finish Gibraltar Dam
>Have 5th largest GDP
>Iberia collapses anyways
Stupidest shit ever
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>>1153366
Franco, Franco, Franco
El mas joven general!
La espada mas limpia!
El caudillo immortal!
Franco, Franco, Franco!
ESPAÑOL PROVINDECAL!
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>>1153366
>Why does my absolute monarcy tier dictatorship collapse when the country modernizes and becomes linked with the foreign production and culture of nom-dictatorial nations?!?!?!
Do you also think that Tianmen square happening IRL was unrealistic? Also, Jesus dude, you do realize that if you weren't so stubborn, you could just go the Putin-route with Franco and create a puppet democracy to avoid all that shit? You DO realize that at game start the fucking Reich is more democratic than Iberia, right?
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>>1153400
What are you on about? Franco ruled Spain until his death without dealing with any sort of uprisings or popular discontent. To have an entire nation split into dozens of warring factions just doesn't make sense in this case
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>>1153400
>Nazi Germany more democratic than Iberia
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>>1153366
Franco was one of the only """fascist""" who survived WW2. It's no wonder why commie liberals hate him so much.
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>>1153400
>Do you also think that Tianmen square happening IRL was unrealistic?
What's relevant about a student riot that was suppressed besides the West seething about it to this day?
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>>1153366
I know I shitted on Iberia before but after looking into game files I started to think there is possibility to win as despotist Iberia. You have to pick the right choice in every single event, because if you don't you will trigger event chain that gives you -7-10, which will cause you to collapse no matter what you did before. But that think is still stupid af, also Iberian events have a random chance to be succesful or not, which is retarded af.

>Why does my absolute monarcy tier dictatorship collapse when the country modernizes and becomes linked with the foreign production and culture of nom-dictatorial nations?!?!?!
There is no reason for absolute monarchies to be railroaded into collapse. They existed for thousands years and continue to do so.
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>>1153400
>muh tienanmen square
Rent free.
Also started as anti-African protests but for some reason Westoids never mention that
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>>1153503
What are you talking about, anti-China shills mention that all the time.
They miss out the part where the PRC actually sent the African students back, though.
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>>1153414
Are you forgetting that Franco also rules Portugal in TNO?
Also the country doesn't necessarily collapse if you go Despot, you just have to accept the iberian divorce
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>>1153637
>the country doesn't collapse it just collapses
It's no longer Iberia if you let portugal go 4head
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>>1153667
>*Stomps feet*
>I WANT MY CAUDILIO POWERFANTASY!
>GIVE ME FRANCO!
>*Gets Francoist Spain*
>NOOOO I NEED *ALL* OF IBERIA
>YES, THE PORTUGUESE WITH COMMUNIST YOUNG OFFICER CORPS AS WELL!!!
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>>1153690
>iphone filename
Why is it that applefags make the most fucking reprehensible posts ever? You're like Canadians and Australians.
Also defending scripted LOL U LOSE faggotry that even the TNO devs are striving to get rid of is kinda ballsy don't you think?
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>>1153694
>Scripted to loose
Its not, its just devs beibg retarded with the values and failing to balance tye negatives to stop a collapse. Its just that hardliner Francoist victory is probably the most boring outcome asside from maybe condems winning elections, and no one gives enough of a shit (or even knows about the issue) to fix it. I am merely mocking the obssesion with this one specific path. If you want a competant despotist path in the time being Russia is your oister.
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>>1153225
If I got him right and if I remember correctly, the first one is the sort of far right bird pope being for the people and shiet, the second one is old aristocratic order and the third one is juche but with the monarchy remaining in place
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>>1153704
>and no one gives enough of a shit (or even knows about the issue) to fix it.
iberia is getting a facelift, hopefully it fixes the endings
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>>1153667
that's not what collapse means, retard
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>>1153749
Iberia is really boring as it stands right now, you don't really do anything
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>>1153704
>Its just that hardliner Francoist victory is probably the most boring outcome
Yea, Another wholesome democratization path is much more interesting than sustainable dictatorship in a mod where everyone out of Russia is either ultraliberal or a insane nazi that collapses because he is evil.
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>>1153967
Yes. Opus Dei neolib religious fanatics, social-liberal colour revolution, all the far-left/right civil war paths and Carnation Revolution are all more interesting than business as usual of everything staying as it started at game start. Only the conservative democrata winning is more boring than that.
>Where's my competant dictatorship?
Who is Speer?
Who is Thatcher?
Who is Stalina?
Who is Bunyachenko?
Who is Batov?
Who are the upcoming Italian duces?
Who is Bichelonne?
Who is Twomey?
Who is Gao?
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>>1153988
First off we both know the Italian duces are vaporware. It will stay scorza until hoi5 releases. Also while those may be interesting, from a story perspective, having the guy you’ve stuck with since the beginning keep it all together through thick and thin is much more rewarding, especially since no one else on the right has content
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>>1153992
>we both know the Italian duces are vaporware
N-noo! That's not true! They'll come out! Only one.. two... three updates more! TT3 and then EN and we'll finally get Muti kino, its coming, I swear!
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>>1153476
>They existed for thousands years
Not absolute Monarchies, but if you mean non-democratic then yes.
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>>1154012
I would actually love a detailed in depth fascist path that does Italy justice, but we’re just getting scorzas half baked tree sorry
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>>1154035
I'd love to infiltrate the dev team to find out how progress really is. Because according to rumors, all is being developed in paralel (they even gave shifting tides vaporware teaser with Aussie nukes), and the copium line is that "just you wait, all the roadmap will come out one after another in a few months... after TT2.. er... TT3!
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>>1153988
>Opus Dei neolib religious fanatics, social-liberal colour revolution, all the far-left/right civil war paths and Carnation Revolution
Aren't those just different shades of libs. Every country has one of those. Also civil war path has no content
>Who is Speer?
Fair point, there is one path that has the same experience.
>Who is Thatcher?
She isn't really a dictator because UK is still a democracy.
>Who is Stalina?
>Who is Bunyachenko?
>Who is Batov?
Apologies, instead of "who is not in Russia" I typed "out of Russia" for some reason. Russia is a whole different world where everyone including nazis is competent and successful
>Who are the upcoming Italian duces?
>Who is Bichelonne?
>Who is Twomey?
Would be cool if there was a way to play them, but right now you have only speer and franco.
>Gao
Too boring and unpolished even by tno standarts.
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>>1154047
Oh boy another roadmap… I just want my Mexico, Romania and India content damnit
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>>1153290
>200 devs
>including 'writers', 'artists' and '''''contributors'''''
the mod has like twenty devs tops managing 180 ideas guys and people who don't know what a graphics card is.
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>>1154064
The "Developer" role itself is only for the head honchos who manage an entire department. Below them are the Team Leads, who as the name implies, manage a single nation, path, or set of paths. Below them are the regular writers, artists, coders, and testers, who do the bulk of the work in actually making these concepts playable.
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Genuine question, why is this mod called the tranny mod?
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>>1154207
Members of the team are trans and they use the mod as a vehicle to promote socialism and liberalism. That is why.
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>>1154270
Seriously lol
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>>1154270
you can count them with both hands though
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The Sex Order: Last cum of europe.
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>>1154270
I remember the fucking 50 events of the gay couple while playing England. It was annoying as fuck
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>already did a crossover with eaw
Obviously we need to do a crossover with FNF next.
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>>1149466
Authoritarian regimes are not supposed to last forever nor does anyone want them to. They are a last resort to fix immediate problems caused by ineffectiant republics held back by beauracracies. You need a mechanic to force the wheel alignment back straight after wear n tear
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>>1146069
Hess did still make the flight to Britain. He probably brown nosed Hitler because he was literally in the same room bench with the most fanatical Nazis who viewed him with contempt and would harass him.
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>>1154474
did they remove it yet?
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>>1154593
no, but you can always not read them
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Ew a Russian
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China's getting a new starting leader in TSS
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>>1155049
they are removing Gao from being a leader?
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>>1153476
>I know I shitted on Iberia before but after looking into game files I started to think there is possibility to win as despotist Iberia. You have to pick the right choice in every single event, because if you don't you will trigger event chain that gives you -7-10, which will cause you to collapse no matter what you did before. But that think is still stupid af, also Iberian events have a random chance to be succesful or not, which is retarded af.
You're completely correct and I actually did fairly well (almost won legitimately) as Despotic Iberia once. The problem was that after I crushed the Republicans, Falangist rebels advanced on Madrid easily.
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>>1154207
because you have to be insanely autistic to play a game like HOI4 and even more so to play TNO and autism is correlated with gender dysphoria
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>>1155641
>The problem was that after I crushed the Republicans, Falangist rebels advanced on Madrid easily.
I meant avoiding civil war completely.
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>>1155701
>you can avoid the civil war as Iberia
Do tell
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>>1154049
>Russia is a whole different world where everyone including nazis is competent and successful
I've played too many far-right Russian playthroughs to say this is accurate. They did a good job making Komi winnable because Tab was such a meme and they wanted democratic routes to be viable, but otherwise the far-right is nerfed catastrophically and has little chance of winning.
>Aryan Brotherhood
>Amur
Can the AI ever make them win?
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>>1154207
because it was developed as an antifa troon propaganda mod which backfired horribly when everyone liked Hitler and every other right-winger even more because of the entire world being trannies' worst nightmare
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>>1153427
Technically yeah. Reichstag Elections were set to be resumed the moment the war ends. Germany has more democratic involvement than Iberia even if its just choosing which nsdap member you want to send to the reichstag
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>>1155725
I dunno if I'd say that. I see Omsk and Vyatka at the regional stage quite frequently. Some of the warlords are just in a really shitty state and frankly, Aryan Brotherhood never had a chance in hell. Their whole shtick is being trauma sufferers who kill and rape people just like the Germans did, it's not exactly a path to success.

> GASKK
This one was way too good
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>>1155726
>when everyone liked Hitler
It only made me worship the glowniggers and Theodore N Kaufmann
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>>1155725
It's rare but the Aryan Brotherhood can win.
I've seen it only once though.
Amur almost always gets taken out by Chita since they never finish their war with Magadan before Chita goes to war with them, so Chita just walks in.

And even if they succeed against Chita, they will almost always lose to Irkutsk/Buryatia or the Divine Mandate
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>>1156275
Yeah, I used to see AB win before TT made Amur and AB even weaker. Now Amur has a slightly better chance against Chita but a much lower chance against later opponents, while AB has a much lower chance because their economy is shit.
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so what the fuck happened to the 2wrw mod? i heard it died or something
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>>1157392
Nah, it's back up.
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>>1156724
East Siberia is now either Divine mandate or Irkutsk, the heirs of Harbin never win really. Because their lands have no people and they don't spam out troops
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>>1155953
>>1155726
I think it made a lot of Rusophiles out of people with the obscure Russian writers and leaders having people impromptu search more into Russias history.
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>>1157392
They're saying that someone sabotaged the progress and killed a year's worth of work in the discord, is that true?
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>>1157638
That and Chita wins if a HoH ever stands a chance, which is only really ever because of a prolonged Buryat rebellion.

Also, the idea that Divine Mandate can spam soldiers and practically TP is insane.

>>1157913
I was already a Russophile, but I got into more based Russians I didn't previously like because of the mod. Never even heard of a lot of them.
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Get the branch to the repository, commit team members to it, let scope do its thing. It escalates, feature creep rocks the release schedule, workflow crumbles - chaos, despondency, discouragement - roll credits.
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Wouldn't nuclear weapons in TNO be much smaller thanks to Germans and Americans having advanced missle technology unlike the Soviets who had to make up for imprecision with stronger ordinance? So maybe nuclear war isn't all that bad
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>>1158521
wholesome christian anarchism means you can produce unlimited soldiers from sparsely populated wasteland
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>>1157913
I already had a fondness for Russian stuff since my grandfather and his line before him were all Russian Cossacks, and I just liked the idea of the place.
But TNO has made me much more of a Russophile.

TNO gave me this idea for a vacation where I'll rent a car and drive cross country through at the least Eastern Siberia.
As much as I want to figure out what the deal was with the cities of Omsk and Tomsk, that would add a lot of extra time to explore.
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>>1158521
The Divine Mandate wins if they chose to spawn troops in Irkutsk and then they just walk into the capital. Which then because of a hidden mechanic called 'Russian War Weariness" Irkutsk should capitulate immediately.

Usually Chita and Irkutsk have been at war for a long time by when Alexander Men rolls around, so that hidden mechanic which lowers the requirement to capitulate over time, will come into play.

If the Mandate doesn't take the capital of Irkutsk, they lose.
If Buryatia wins against Irkutsk, which they can do sometimes, that means that Chita will have a good chance at winning.
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>>1159308
I think the idea is that the Japanese mass produce nukes because they know that's the only thing which would prevent an invasion, and the Nazis are hyper militaristic so the arms race is far greater in TNO than in otl
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>>1159441
The idea is that nuclear apocalypse good because Panzer is a falloutaboo. That's literally it.
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>>1153366
The Iberian Union makes no sense to me in this. Why would two nationalist leaders want to merge into a bureaucratic nightmare? Especially Spain since why would they want to be equal to a nation that smaller than them in every aspect at this point? I understand a military alliance and economic cooperation but two nationalist strongmen who share power trying to create an "Iberian" identity seems off
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update when
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>>1159588
No one knows.
Maybe next month, maybe next year.
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>>1159453
I think it's because they wanted it to collapse to proof that authoritarianism bad
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>>1159733
it's because it was a nation in the RP forum game TNO is based on
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>>1159920
maybe both
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>>1159453
Portugal has no allies now the 700 year alliance between Britain and them is gone. Desperation always triumphs National pride. Hence why the Waffen SS started recruiting untermensch in 42 onward. Or the reason the Molotov-Ribbontrop pact was signed.
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>>1160549
I understand Spain and Portugal being in a alliance, but merging into a new country and trying to foment a new identity doesn't make any sense as both leaders were nationalists and heavily promoted Spanish/Portuguese culture and influence.
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>>1140261
The only good content in this entire goddamn mod is in the Russian unifiers, and most of the fun non-larp ones are in Siberia which is literally, not figuratively the worst place to fight in HoI4. You actually get more than one war, and the rest of the ancillary bullshit that's mostly there to distract you for the other nations is actually meaningful when you're getting regular wars. VNs in Renpy work better than sitting in front of a laggy piece of shit waiting for the next fucking focus to complete while overseeing the world's least interesting economic simulation and waiting for one of the AI to end your playthrough without your input.
I wouldn't give a shit about any of this if it weren't for the fact that there's actually some cool ideas in this mod, it's just that they're all fucking squandered on the mod that we have.
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Aryan brotherhood
Slavic Germanian or Slavic Hyperborean?
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>>1160640
Slavic Germanic. Simping for people who want to genocide you and thinking that aryan is a state of mind is funnier to me than pagan schizos.
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