The only good xcom right now. Can't wait for 2.I really digged the cold war aesthetic.
>>1081932It sucks ass and the cold war aesthetic is a waste of fucking potential because you literally never do anything even remotely related to the Cold War like picking a side or getting helped by either the commies or HATO.
>>1081932>The only good xcom right nowDid you forget about the originals?
>>1081932i like it, its my first xcom type game and i like the cold war aesthetic too.But 22.99 on steam is rally steep.Does it ever go on sale??
>>1082073gog actually gave it away for free some time ago, you can go and download the gog version somewhere with a clean conscience
>>1081932>bring shields, throw flashbangsI think you confused x-com and police.
>I really digged the cold war aesthetic.Too bad it was completely unused in the gameplay. You couldnt even start with AK47 despite game taking place at the height of cold war
>>1082182And its based, there is nothing better than breeching alien ufo hull, throwing bunch of flashbangs and smoke grenades inside and rushing 6 guys with riots shields and batons to beat up aliens senseless
>>1081932Is Xenonauts 2 vaporware? I swear this game was supposed to come out 5 years ago, but it's still in development. A shame too, I really enjoyed the first game, even though it lacks a lot of content from original XCOM.
>>1082182Turns out that its better to bring back aliens alive for research and not damaging the ships to reverse engineer is better than outright killing them. >The plasma projectiles would be shot at a speed expected to be 3000 km/s in 1995 and 10,000 km/s (3% of the speed of light) by 2000. A shot has the energy of 5 pounds of TNT exploding. Doughnut-shaped rings of plasma and balls of lightning exploded with devastating thermal and mechanical effects when hitting their target and produced pulse of electromagnetic radiation that could scramble electronics, the energy would shower the interior of the target with high-energy x-rays that would potentially destroy the electronics inside.Hmm, Wouldn't the game be more fun if we actually fought alien with extremely destructive weapon right from the getgo?
>>1082181yeah, i have downloaded it, but the fucking thing keeps crashing.I don't even know if it is the latest game version >>1082117Its the same price in both stores
>>1081932Wrong, it's the only decent X-COM being worked on today that's not a mod for Open, but it's not a good XCOM at all. I'll never understand why people don't think there's room enough for XCOM and X-COM - they're really different.1 had a lot of faults. I'm glad they realized they were going a bad direction and basically scrapped 2 before restarting work on it, and I'm eager to see what they do.
>>1082182Why shouldn't X-Com use basic breach and clear principles?
>>1082239>>1082244>>1082569You guys miss main thing.Police's work is *suppress* humans - weak, soft creatures.And x-com's work is *fight* vs aliens - with different biology, different senses, psy-abilities etc.Why even flashbangs should work on enemy with psy-abilities? Why even tactical gear (include shields) should stop enemy guns or 200kg battle monster?It's all pure nonsense.
>>10826701, because game balance. Any depiction of aliens is nonsense from the get go because we have no basis in reality to compare to.2, because X-Com and Xenonauts go for understandable aliens. Through research we become able to comprehend and exploit their biology and technology. This generally necessitates that they are understandable to us, so the aliens trend towards mundane depictions rather than incredibly 'alien' depictions. So similar methods of sight, hearing, etc.3, better to have a shield than not, it represents desperation IMO. Clinging onto whatever you can to hopefully have a bit of protection against such advanced weaponry. Something the program should either grow out of, or develop into much more effective versions depending.
>>1082670You make a good point. Game made a lot of assumptions there and just rolled with them lol
>>1082693>because game balance, so bring shields, support grenades and knock aliens in melee is easies and safest way compare to have dedicated snipers and fire supportsYeah, i now. But it's still nonsense.
>>1081932>really digged the cold war aestheticImagine if it actually mattered though:NATO command starts its own force in secrecy, Pact nations start a separate one after activity increases in their lands. Your job is to navigate probing and preparing for the alien threat while also avoiding the Kremlin's eye lest you confirm their worst conspiracies about what the West is planning and ignite a hot war. You have to balance your development and operations both against the aliens and the clandestine Pact forces, eventually decided whether or not to force the matter and take them over hostilely or join together and cooperate against the looming menace.This is why I was so excited about Terra Invicta, but who knows if that will ever come out with half the goals they claimed to be aiming for.
>>1081932Yeah it was fun.But I wish the optimal play wasn't to just use (non-harmful) chemical warfare.If I made one of these games I'd either make it so that you get told when there's a new thing to tag and bag (and you only need to do it once) or to make only one room in the UFO important (powerplant/energy core).>>1082182>t. doesn't SWAT the ayylmaos whenever their parties get too loud>>1081952>>1082238>>1082772They could have done more but it was a nice enough backdrop.I'd prefer it to be a joint/international operation where you have to play "both sides" to not only expand bases in their areas but have access to manpower. So your soldiers and support staff would be one of four "nationalities", US, Soviet, Imperial (or Western Europe if post decolonisation), and Non-Aligned, the first 2 being most of your staff and the last 1 being immune to political boycotts where every so often you will be forced to upset one side such as with salvage rights, work contracts or public announcements.I'm not fond of just making X-COM partisan unless it's where you pick one of the superpowers and you're only expected to defend their lands until the game ramps up and you're granted the other side's base because they're shit at their jobs, like a natural tutorial.
>>1082670You also miss the thing, if aliens are so dangerous and Xcom is supposed to be such an epic spec ops organization then why they dont just deploy nerve agents in the first game?Why you cannot just napalm the whole landed ufo from far away wit mortars? Why when there is a city defense mission you cannot deploy with IFVs and air support?Because the game is abstracted, it doenst make sense, and bringing shields and clubs to a sci-fi fight is cool as fuck
>>1081932>play game>have a ton of fun>literally unable to down an alien ship>eventually lose all my funding and brick my save by losing jets everytime an alien arrives>repeat 4 timesi'm about to play this game for a 5th time. i'm an rpg grug so what the fuck do i do when it's time to deal with aliens on my own? I can never get them to crash
OG XCOM had soul in so many ways that Xenonauts lacked. The blurry pixel art, non-flash looking animations, MIDI+ sound track, bizarre base designs, 3D terrains with flying aliens ambushing you from some tree, it all had a great horror feeling.Xenonauts just felt too clean, too crisp, too smooth. I doubt anyone can truly remake OG XCOM. The soundtrack alone was just so perfect.
>>1082561>Its the same price in both storesDid you even enter the one i linked?
>>1082238ik. such a missed opportunity. i think 2 is not doing cold war anymore...
>>1082909I play Xenonauts because I can't deal with the interface of the original. Xenonauts is the closest thing to the original I know and plus I really liked the 'realistic' feel to Xenonauts instead of the blatant star wars/marvel stuff in xcom 2
>>1081932Redpill me on this gameIt's a newer old xcom game?Is it good for a complete newfag like myself to try it or should I try something else?
>>1082914I see.I usually get them form other pages, thanks though.
>>1082875>nerve agentsdiffrent biology>napalm the whole landed ufo from far away wit mortarsSpace ship should must be able to withstand extreme temperatures and explosions. Also, since x-com deploy with small aircrafts, there's can be problems with carry and deploy mortairs.Any another pathetic excuses?
>>1082906>>literally unable to down an alien shiphow is this possible? what are you (not) doing in the air combat minigame?
>>1083172>Also, since x-com deploy with small aircrafts, there's can be problems with carry and deploy mortairs.Yeah, I mean there's no way a chinook would ever be able to carry a crew served weapon, there just isn't enough space, and the extra weight would exceed the maximum load.
>>1082772i wish to play as Soviets against american MiB
>>1082934play open x com
>>1083196Same here, maybe when Xenonauts 2 finally comes out ill make a mod just for that
>>1083186>there just isn't enough space, and the extra weight would exceed the maximum loadSure.>>The CH-48 Charlie is a twin-rotor transport helicopter based on the reliable CH-47 Chinook. It serves the Xenonauts as a dropship, ferrying up to eight men and their equipment to combat zones almost anywhere in the world.>>The Charlie has been heavily modified for Xenonaut use. The operational range of the craft has been vastly increased, allowing it to reach almost any destination in the world on a single tank of fuel (it can also be refuelled mid-air if the local government are feeling sufficiently cooperative). It has also been fitted with heavier armour, as our strike teams are expected to "hot drop" into combat areas and may come under fire immediately - losing our dropship to ground fire during landing / the subsequent mission would hardly be ideal. Though necessary, this has unfortunately reduced the carrying capacity down to eight men.
>>1083388> when Xenonauts 2 finally comes outXenonauts 1 came out 10 years ago. I don't understand how a studio can put out nothing for 10 years and remain operational.
What mod or mods would you guys recommend if I want to get a more in-depth experience?Like a Vanilla+ or something.
>>1082670>Why even flashbangs should work on enemy with psy-abilities?You do realise flashbangs do a lot more than just make a bright light?
>>1083694Xenonauts Community Edition
Xenochads even Russian pirates are making fun out or vaporware kino
>>1082670>ESL is soulless materialist>news at 11
>>1083610I've waited for Bannerlord. I'm hoping we are nearing the release... eventually. Nu-xcom is simplistic to me.
>>1084660>I've waited for Bannerlordsame
>>1084674Fuck that looks like fun, shame my toaster can't run it.
>>1084682can't run warband?truly a toaster
>>1083554Having a single helicopter that takes you anywhere in the world is either an abstraction for practical purposes (of multiple airbases and transferring flights) or science fiction.The chinook couldn't carry the amount of fuel it would need to travel even halfway around the world and even if it could it would be hopelessly slow compared to something like taking a jet most of the way.
Oh hey I was literally thinking about making a thread about this game asking what went wrong. From what I've seen of it, it should have been a hit. But my understanding is 2 is vapor ware, and the original is still buggy and prone to crashes almost 10 years on. Is the game just shallow and repetitive? Why didn't it make a bigger splash? Was it before its time?
>>1084737its boring and chore to play
>>1084744Was that not the intention? It's a ufo defense clone
>>1084751its somewhat worse than it
>>1084737It could have been a really great game, but did not capitalize on its scenerios(alien invasion, cold war time, poor modding community, ect.) It could have been such a great but feels incomplete, just like most indie games. Xenonauts 2 should have hostile human forces, alien sabotages, alien guns should be disgustingly strong, it should have a customizable armor, weapons, aircraft, ammo, and tanks. It should have plenty of maps, night and day, weather(sandstorms, hurricanes, snowstorms.) It should have water bases, artic bases, mountain bases. Aliens shouldn't have one hit kills on tanks or anything but they should deal great damage late game. And most importanly, it should have an avatar for selfinserters. Anything less and the game will fail.
>>1082934Does anyone remember the spawn comic where the cyber punk gangs have a rumble and they have all this high tech weaponry? OG xcom is going for that look. I was 14 at the time so it was right in my wheelhouse
>>1082073It's on sale right now on gog. 6 Bucks.
>>1085191I got it for free and it wasn't worth
>>1084660>I've waited for BannerlordDon't even get me fucking started>Fix minor bugs>Break something>Fix minor bugs>Remove gameplay>Fix minor bugs>Javelins are now worth 40,000 What the fuck are these dirty fucking turks even doing?Just release your shit already and let modders fix your fucked game you wankers.
>>1084744It's fun in the first missions where everyone gets a shotgun, grenades and a stick of C4Becomes more tedious in later missions
>>1083694Community Edition is the only mod worth playing, since it's a megamod that adds a lot of new features and bugfixes. Don't listen to anyone who tells you to play X-Division, because it's shit.
>>1086009>Community EditionThisI can't even remember what vanilla plays like
>>1086009What's so bad about x-division. Currently playing community and lieking it.
This looks interesting, anything I should know before picking it up?
>>1086372Nothing, jump on it get your ass kicked, and come back
>>1086372>anything I should knowLook over your shoulder
>>1081932Xenonauts was my first X-COM-like. I played the originals afterwards.Trust me, it's not as good as the originals.
>>1084891>it should have an avatar for selfinsertersI wouldn't even go that far I think it just needed more customisation for ya troopslike yeah there's a bit but I can't just stick my family and friends in the game and cuss them out irl when they fuck up like I can with Battle Brothers, XCOM, or even Darkest Dungeon to a degreethis was really driven home to me by playing The Last Spell recently, where the customisation was fine in terms of scope, but tedious long term with no way to add people to the pool or save them as prebuilts without saving them in a .txt and copypasting them at least, which is still tedious on run startI really do think that's one of the big keys to nu-com's success overall
>>1084751But Ufo defense is fun and a joy to play
>>1084751Despite being a clone, it lacks the tactical depth of UFO defense simply because you cannot destroy the village to save it.
>>1082934is it strange for me to like the capeshit in og xcom more than the reboot
>>1082670>Why even tactical gear (include shields) should stop enemy guns or 200kg battle monster?Because riot shields stop at most 2 energy shots before breaking apart, then you unlock at the end game the good riot shields that stop...5 shots? plus your first armor sets are massive plates used to decrease the energy and heat from plasma then fall to the ground to avoid getting burned more than you should and call it a day.
>>1084737>Why not a hit?It was a heavily copied XCOM without the soul of the original series, with some neat bells and whistles (like air combat) tossed in.I played it a good bit, but found it less enjoyable than the original game. Having new maps was nice, but they should've leaned into that a lot more and given a far wider array of assets and map types and variety. In the end, the maps felt almost as repetitive and unvaried as the original's set. That was 50% of the reason to play an XCOM clone.Also they couldn't figure out 3D terrain for some reason. A game made 10 years ago had worse tech than one made 25+ years ago...Polished graphics (not necessary and detracted from the soul of the experience) and "new!" was all they had going for them.Basically, OG XCOM was a perfect game for its day, and Xenonauts was a mixed indie game for its day that couldn't live up to the original beyond adding some QoL stuff and better mod support.
>>1088702I will not say Xenonauts is a good game or even a good X-COM clone, but I want you to know that X-COM was an absurd game that had an entire 3D engine under the hood to properly simulate cover and ballistics.
>>1088804Speaking of, can someone explain this. I kept looking into what the hit%s actually meant in open-x and people just kept saying it was percentage to hit the exposed target so nothing else mattered. That makes it sound like cover and ballistics are completely fucking worthless.
>>1089367In simple terms, it is deviation from path to target. So if you can't actually hit the target from your position, even with 100% hit-chance you will not hit.
>>1089614Yes, this means that even with a 100% (or greater) chance to hit, at very long range, there is always a possibility to miss an exposed target.
>>1088002>Because riot shields stop at most 2 energy shots before breaking apart>riot shields stop at most 2 energy shotsLiterally>aliens so much retarded for bring in invasion weapon, which need 3 shots to get damage for target with even not bullet-proof shieldLook like old 7.62x51/54mm ammo is unattainable level for this poor wildmans. How even they get their space travels?Just lmao.
>>1083707Yeah, it's also have sound, impact and etc.But flashbangs with all those things still need only for sensory overloading.Now, tell me how you can overload psyonic senses with fucking flashbang.Hell, psy-guys can even be totally blind and deaf, and it can explain why they have their psy-abilities.
>>1089614>>1089652These two statements are incongruent. Range doesn't make a target impossible to hit. The initial statement implies it measures some kind of trigonometry deviation from the path between the exposed enemy (assuming the enemy is exposed). This would mean, unless the enemy is completely obstructed you should hit 100% of the time if they are exposed in anyway. Maybe the exposed stuff is wrong and it targets the center of the voxel where the target is most exposed? That would mean deviation would be advantageous if only a small part of them is exposed and 100% or more is no longer a guaranteed shot at any range.The second statement is just fucking retarded because it implies that range adds deviation inherently as opposed to revealing deviation due to the relative distance between shooter and target making deviance more apparent.This is why I moved to Xenonauts of a little while (still intend to go back to open) - I fucking hate when things aren't properly explained. Same thing with people explaining how smoke works in open. Just gibberish without any actual math.
>>1090283The issue is that it's actually your firing score added up, not an actual percentage. Remove the percentage and it will make more intuitive sense to you.https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Accuracy_formula#Use_of_Accuracy
>>1089809Lets see how disorientated you are after I deafen you with a loud bang and rattle you with pressure.You've still got your eyes bro, you've still got one sense, what you getting all disoriented for
OP here. Still stand by saying this is a good remake of the original xcom.
>>1087970There wasn't any?Everyone dresses up like the X-Men if the uniform was purple but you're using guns and quickly transition to being space marines in bomb suits.
>>1092565It's faithful, just lackluster. Good for a playthrough or two, certainly. I'd rather rerererereplay og xcom than return to xeno though.
>>1092565I will call you a retard
>>1092574>he doesn't know about the long tradition of tacticool cape shitModern capeshit is not the whole of it.>>1090856Fascinating. They should have worded this better in game or expounded upon it in the manual. Calling it accuracy rating or grouping rating instead of chance to hit.The more I read about the voxel set up and internal 3d engine the more impressed I am by X-com. To think he went on to make that firaxis meets amplitude tier game. Any thoughts on that one by the way lads. Seems a bit too over wrought for my tastes
>>1092565It's basically a less soulful clone.
>>1084737Coming from a guy that loves the original Xcom-games, Xeno just isn't that fun to play. I booted it up and was immediately dissapointed by the soulless corporate-tier graphics. But fine, graphics aren't everything (but they do severely impact the atmosphere of the game, of which there is basically none). But then I played it and kept being sniped from out of my line of sight on every map, had aliens walk right into my squads, shooting, then walking back without reaction fire (I had set up a prepared ambush), and I got the sense that the aliens knew where I was all the time and kept trying to attack my rear even when it would make no logical sense for them to know which way my troops were turned (or where they were hiding).
>>1093402What, Phoenix Point? Excellent design doc ruined by Bulgarians. It's just good enough to ruin XCOM 2 for you if you get into it, but not good enough to actually be good.
>>1093421>but not good enough to actually be goodOuch
>>1093422I have over a thousand hours in it. AMA.
>>1093427Should I buy it if I love the original '94 Xcom?
>>1093433Yes.You won't necessarily like it, it's very janky, but it has a solid core and is quite enjoyable if you got really mad at nuCOM's hit percentage system.It has a ballistics system instead. Think Valkyria Chronicles for the interface.
>>1093402>the long tradition of tacticool cape shitAnon at some point if you start calling everything capeshit, it's not even about capes anymore.
>>1093509>shield isn't capeshit>cable isn't capeshit>leifield isn't cape shitBruh. I'll admit the first anon specified capeshit where he could have specified comics but those aesthetics are alive and well in cape shit, especially the Xtreme 90s stuff. From the leotard all the way up to the techno suits.
Anyone here play the After[blank] series?Am currently starting up the second one.They're real time with pause, not turn based, but they're pretty inspired by xcom.
>>1094186Ufo aftermath, aftershock, afterlight
>>1094505>>1094093Having looked into it I can't say I'm too compelled to play them but I am interested in your opinion on them. Care to share?
>>1081932I kind of like the shield concept but it should be something that comes in mid game made from alien alloys. Early game UFO should involve humans vaporizing when sneezes at by aliens
>>1093524>where he could have specified comicsI would have accepted this without batting an eye.I just think of /co/ having a meltdown over gay brown women or tie ins when I read the word capeshit, and that only really modern capeshit even attempts to be like pulp Sc-Fi comics... in specific line ups like Ultimate... and the rest are just two OCs fighting, one using neon beams and the other fists.
>>1094093Yes, I've played all 3 and they are really good. Well, they are janky, but somehow they press all the right buttons for me.
>>1096799I thought shields were goofy. But like some another anon said, they are really fun to use with stun batons
>>1094093I am playing afterlightthe one with limited crew on marsits shit, like seriously, its shit
>>1093416>graphics aren't everything (but they do severely impact the atmosphere of the game, of which there is basically none)> yfw Remnants of the precursorswhat that demented boomer was thinking
>>1093416Xenonauts went for the realistic art style. Which is very different from cartoon nuxcom and the oldie artstyle of the original. And I personally wish XCOM in general went for a more grounded setting.Like this guy looks way menacing than alot xcom enemies ive seen.
>>1097222Sevillans are the only ones who look "decent" tho.Caesar salads are just greysThe Autists act like robotsThe robots are too humanoid that they don't feel alien at allWraiths are just frogs with big headsPraetors literally shit themselves if captureAnd the Chryssalid-copy feels like 40k Tyranid reject
>>1097222I don't agree. I think the graphical style can best be described as corporate, like something you'd see in a McDonalds game or something. Extremely bland.
>>1097222Hard disagree. All I see when I look at that doofus is pic related. The enemy design in general is bad.
>>1097251McDonalds XCOM when
>>1097274This. The enemy design is very uninspired overall. Look at the fucking grays man, they look like nerds at a star-trek convention wearing alien halloween-masks.
>>1081932shit wasnt too buggy, but holy fuck did those bugs run me the wrong way
>>1097222>Realistic art styleIt's repackaged straightlaced midcentury schlock with Apple aesthetics. The definition of modern corporate soullessness. The opposite of horror.The original was sort of 90s cape schlock, reminiscent of GI Joe or Batman Returns mixed with 50s B movies, but with intense horror vibes and a dark, oppressive feeling. While its art style wasn't revolutionary for its day, it also wasn't in line with corporate advertising designs, and it did actually fit the themes and vibe of an alien invasion game (including sound design, which Xenonauts fumbled just as hard), and it did have some sort of stylization.It doesn't hold up so well 28 years on, but for the mid 90s it was high tier pixel art with some unique designs (DOOM's were definitely better on both counts).Xenonauts: Extremely generic enemies. The snakemen didn't even slither, they had legs with a dino tail.The pic doesn't even look menacing, the look in the alien's eyes is more like dull staring than menacing.It's like they took all of the alien designs of the original and asked "how can we make this as bland as possible?"Sure, the art quality is higher than anyone could expect from a low budget indie, but the entire art/sound direction of the game was totally misaligned and uninspired.
>>1081932Interesting looking game, what's the catch?
>>1097773It's never getting released.
>>1097620I think it looks fine. Good even, for what it is.It's not some masterpiece or passion project nor is it a triple A polished product. It's just an autismo 'true indi' project. Look at the art style of Shadow Empires on release. You just hate Sovl, little artfag. The art merely needs to be serviceable. It's the game itself that matters.
I like nuXCOM 2 but I want something a little more involved with a slower progression and higher skill cap, and I was thinking of getting Phoenix point with the humble choice this month. Should I just try out some original XCOM mods instead? I enjoyed XCOM 2 as a set of spectacles you got to see over a campaign but playing through it on long war or on legendary felt like it'd be a huge chore. I'm not sure it'd be worth the time investment once you've seen all the aliens and what all the buttons do, and redoing the alien rulers seems like it'll suck. I played a decent chunk of piratez but I ruined my first run and never got around to doing a second, good fun but a bit much for me on a first try.
>>1098858>long war or on legendary felt like it'd be a huge chore>time investment once you've seen all the aliens and what all the buttons doStick to mobile games. OG XCOM and Xenonauts are not for you.
>>1096053They're xcom offshoots that have real time combat with pause on demand. If you've ever seen a Total War game, it's basically like that.Hit percentages don't matter because you're shooting fairly often. Here are some out of order random things about Aftermath, which is the only one I completed so far :*Setting is a post-apocalypse. Rather than invading the earth with cover-based-shooting, the aliens launch a bioweapon that kills most of the people, and turns the majority of the rest into horrific, last of us style zombie monsters.*"Xcom" starts out as a ridiculously understaffed and underpowered military project. No buying rookies, you only have basic earth guns to fight with.*There are only 2 types of enemies. The "transgenants", the mutated monsters that roam the maps, and the Greys.* The aliens do not fuck around in this game. They have extremely high tech weapons from the get-go, wear biotech armor that gives them shielding, get psy-guns later. *Base building does not exist. You only pick between the base type: military, engineering and research*air combat is RNG only. You literally can't do anything whilst it's happening.*You can research and use a lot of crazy alien guns like automatic railguns, warp-guns that phase through armor, mobile deployable plasma turrets.Or you can finish the entire game using human tacticool realistic weaponry. The game has a plethora of damage types to exploit, and "tech levels" are only vague, not enforced.*The game has a plot with a rather grim twist halfway through. Without spoilers , I can describe the gameplay effect as...similar to the Avatar Project countdown in Xcom 2. But a lot more dangerous.
>>1096053>>1099206Continued: Here's a let's play you can skim through to see if you might enjoy it>>1097197I'm only at aftershock, but I too was kinda put off by afterlight just by the art style. It's "low talent pixar" with exaggerated proportions
>>1099214Forgot to yt link cause i'm brainded :The let's play :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h0jvauTVAQ&list=PL3EZcYGikRDOqki0RzBrSVK83WLW52xuC
>>1081932I loved it with the Xenophobia mod. It felt really cool early game where your ops are running in jackals armed with FALs\AKs and the upgraded earth firearms later on. Although I tend to drop all my runs in any x-com-like game around the early middle stage. The amount of UFOs and missions is becoming too overwhelming for me. X-Com Files felt the worst because of this, I didn't even manage to get to the D-Day of alium invasion. Cleaning whole military bases of collaborating insurgents and Serious Sam tier safaris of mutant-monster-zombie hunts evaporate all the will to move on. With this I always stopped right before Promotion III lacking a single research to unlock it. Same happened with Xenonauts around the time when your cover most the planet with bases, unlock advanced interceptors and start slapping UFOs like mosquitos.On the other hand I really like all the researches that become available around this stage. So I end up time skipping in favor of reading research articles just to lose because of low rating or enemies becoming over buffed for me. I wish there was a button for either auto battle or a research to outsource such stuff to local govs for a little paycheck or simply stop punishing the player for ignoring "minor" operations at some point. In the end I feel like a casual not because haven't managed to put up with combat or economic difficulty but because I have lacked the expected stubbornness to tolerate the repetitiveness.
>>1098858>I like firaxiscom, should I actually try playing real videogamesThat's a big step bud.
I want to play modded Xenonauts, should I get Xenophobia or X-Division? How good are those mods compared to XCom Files?
>>1100323X-division is long war of xenonauts and hard
>>1082931Based dev admitting their mistakes
The Xenonauts forum is down, how am I supposed to download the Community Edition mod?
>>1082238I modded in Easter block firearms and rushed second baseI eventually made 3 teams operating from their own bases - USA+misc, Wester Europe and SovietWas pretty fun, wish I had a reason to do that besides roleplay.
>>1100451That's something I really appreciate with Xenonauts. Chris has been extremely transparent and honest with the game development process.
>>1099293>that picAll I see is that dumb cop guy from half life lol
>>1098677Incredibly based opinion
>>1100323Xenophobia, its an older mod but doesnt suffer from excessive bloat and lack of assets/sprites like X-division.
>>1100587Steam workshop, but then you gotta pay.
It seems that all the aliens are now equipped with shields, making rifles/pistols uselessWould it be a good idea to give every single soldier a rocket launcher or an HMG? I also just tried the flamethrower and I'm tempted to go hard with 8 fast flametroopers and delete everything in 2 turns
>>1081932>Can't wait for 2lmao
>>1101489Hmm. I'm trying to win on community edition first. I'm wondering if I will go X-Division afterwards or Xneophobia.
>>1081932I really can't get over how bland the art style is, I'm sorry. Whenever I look at a screenshot I think that it looks like a mock-up from the devs instead of the actual thing itself.Does it meaningfully improve upon openXCOM? Apart from the new intercept mechanics, which do indeed look cool.
>>1103862the blandness is what sells the game anon. just traditional xcom. no modernization or anything of the sort
>>1103931No you don't get it. Traditional XCOM had a fucking style. And not just because it was limited by the tech of the time, the designs, art, and aesthetic all had its own unique flavor. When I look at Xenonauts, I don't see a unique flavor, I just see extremely bland art.Don't get me wrong, the game could definitely still be great, but looking at it makes me not want to play it. Maybe I'll get over that someday
>>1099293X-COM Files legit has a huge pacing issue. I love the idea of it and what they're going for, but they end up not learning the lessons from X-COM. It's kind of sad that a coom mod is unironically the best improvement on the classic formula, but so it goes.I haven't tried the Xenophobia mod for Xenonauts, but eh, I'll give it a shot. I am tired of replaying LWotC at this point.
>>1104245>huge pacing issueReminded me of thishttps://youtu.be/32V4giOX0X4
>>1101694pay for what? workshopdownloader.com>>1104245>coom modyou mean piratez? Tried it once but there is like a million things on the beginning of the game, it really put me off.I'm playing hardmode right now, but fuck me, it is super hard while the original x-com felt way too easy for me.Also, anyone who hates xcom2 has shite taste, yeah the game is consolized af but I still like for what it is.
>>1104361Who said anything about hating XCOM2?
>>1103862Why do the graphics matter? It's the gameplay. Xenonauts has good gameplay and very nice air war mechanics that no other xcom-like has achieved.I will agree the artstyle is alittle to artifical and going for the realist approach. But if that stops you from playing the game, you are really missing out.
>>1104698The distinction between graphics and artstyle really needs to be made here. Graphics I don't give a shit about, considering I highly enjoy the original X-COM. The artstyle is what I care about.I agree that I'm probably missing out on a great game though. I'm the same way with Slay the Spire, fucking hate the artstyle even though I've heard the gameplay is great. Maybe I'll get over it someday
>>1104704oh yeah dude STS is fuckin topsI haven't really played it in a year or so but it was a daily driver since release before thatunironically what helped me stomach the art better is enabling "playtest art" in the options, which is much rougher but absolutely chock full of soul
>>1082931At least he admits it. Gives me hope for 2.
>>1104704>The distinction between graphics and artstyle really needs to be made hereThis. The graphics are fine, objectively better than the original Xcom games. The artstyle, which adds a whole lot to the atmosphere of the game, is beyond bland. Some decisions are just objectively bad and baffling (that they chose to make the soldiers look like janitors with the light-blue fabric uniforms and contruction helmets, the alien designs are generally bad, etc), others are more hard to pin-point but are probably a result of the above problems but strewn all around the game in the art-style (I can't shake the feeling that the game looks like some lifeless corporate architectural plan)
>>1098677The problem is that the artstyle of the game severely lacks soul
>>1081932The steam sale is here and I have 1 questionShould I get this or xcom:enemy unknown as a complete beginner to these types of games?
>>1105645Definitely XCOM:EUGet Enemy Within while you're at it
>>1105645They're both beginner friendly, I would just go with whatever one you look the look of more. You might as well play Enemy Within rather than Enemy Unknown though (it's the same game, just with extra content).
>>1105645Just play OpenX and pirate Xeno
>>1087970It's pseudo-capeshit sci-fi vs pseudo-sci-fi capeshit
>>1105701>>1105734WHICH ONE IS IT>>1106555can't be bothered fucking with clunky shit anymore>inb4 zoomerdon't care
>>1107044>WHICH ONE IS ITEnemy Within is literally just Enemy Unknown + an expansion & some extra gameplay features, there's no reason to play EU over EW.
>>1107069I was asking whether I should get XCOM or Xenonauts
>>1107083XCOM if you never played other turn based tacticsXenonauts if you played original X-com, liked it and want to play a modern game following the same formula
>>1107087So XCOM it is then
>>1081932>Gets mogged by the original XCOM games>Gets mogged by XCOM 2's moddability and accessibility There's literally no reason to play Xenonauts
>>1108218No shit, it was basically 1 guy passion project.But you just wait, Xenonauts 2 is gonna surpass Xcom and wipe the floor with fireaxies "xcom" games for simpletons
>>1108105So I should just not play EU and go for EW?
>>1081932>I really digged the cold war aesthetic.Do I get to enjoy it and shoot aliens with conventional human weaponry or does it quickly devolve into everyone having ray guns and shooting plasma everywhere, completely ditching the aesthetic by mid game.
>>1108221>first game doesn't do voxel physicsI don't think so - and I like Xeno. Unless he remakes xcom from the ground up technically then iterates from there it's just more autismo project stuff.
I started my first Xenonauts game on Xenophobia Insane after reading this thread, took a while to get all the legacy stuff needed (shit's from 2014 from god's sake)And it's pretty fun... except for the numbers balance.Here's me maybe 7 days from start taking on my 3rd UFO of something like 15 NOT!mutons with grenades and plasma and my team is made up of... 6 guys with no armor, weilding 5.56 and 7.62 ballistics and a WW2-era armored car (now blown)In what retarded world will aliens invade earth and so regularly outnumber the 5.5 billion inhabitants who are their with their clowncar ships? What organization facing an unknown alien enemy armed with vastly superior technology look at a team smaller than what LAPD would send to take out 1 active shooter, and think 'yeah, that's enough, send them in.'Why can I only take so few people to assault this medium scout when It's so obviously a threat, I rushed building a 5th hangar, chinook, and 2nd team so I can have 2x the firepower for big ships at least?Why can't I do my oldCom tactics of rookie human wave blaster soakers and stun baton martyrs?It seems they took the spirit and game systems of oldCom but decided on taking the arbitrary tactical-arcade balance of nuCom, without even a sensible narrative reason like infiltration to justify it. Which is pretty fucking gay and stupid; if the player chooses to invest significant campaign resources to take 2 choppers to the alien site, there shouldn't be some magical barrier or limit that only allows him to take 1. Also, fuck these shitty modded ridley scott aliens leaving their immune-to-5.56 eggs fucking everywhere.
So... uh... are these immune-to-7.62, +44 regen per turn, unkillable mega-chrysalids supposed to appear on mission 4?
>>1109063that's a big lad
And now I'm getting corvettes filled with tough, grenade-lobbing war robots on September 20Something seems off about the balance in Xenophobia 1.5If I'm getting all this new, really hard-to-counter stuff already in the first month, what's gonna happen in the next 11 months?
>>1081932Can I control interceptors?
I heckin' love my heckin' AA-12No faggy lasurs for me, no sir
>Spend most of September and most of my scientists convincing the US government to supply the good shit, F15 eagles and sparrows instead of the shitty-ass F17 condor trainers and sidewinders you start with>Start fucking the aliens hard with BVRAAMI don't think I'm even gonna research any of the fanfiction fighters at this point. Just gonna get me more F15s
>>1097313>remember that humans can wear dark glasses and red t shirtsI dunno why i started a small laugh from reading that.
I just let a ufo get to close to my base and they invaded my main. my aircraft were still rearming...i lost like half of my grunts. rockets saved me. wtf. might have to restart my run since it was kinda crippling.
>finally get to railfuns after fully decking plasma weaponry on my base>suddenly rest of the world is giving laser weaponry to normal soldiers and copsNOICE, i legit once saw a random soldier use the laser lmg to kill 3 aliens, sadly i wasnt able to reach the stairs that lead to his back to protect his window on the second floor of a house.
how do I use a medpack?
>>1110770equip in primary slot and "fire" at wounded or downed soldier. Pretty straightforward